protection

[vagrant cape]

Until I earn the mythic spot

[sick sentinel]

is prot warr good for m+?

[vagrant cape]

It has its moments

[old zephyr]

I like it but i'm picky about a good team

I really want my hunter or rogue and chaman

[vagrant cape]

The tanks are all so close right now that it's really all about which dungeon and which team comp

[old zephyr]

The things I don't like about prot is keeping aggro while kiting

[vagrant cape]

Prot warriors are actually invincible with an earthen wall totem but shamans I play with don't seem to use it as often as I'd like

Thunderclap radius is insane with the talent, it's basically a ranged ability

[old zephyr]

My guild aassigned me with hubter/cham/pal/hpal.
Man this was awesome

[vagrant cape]

But yeah, paladins and DKs do that more easily

[sick sentinel]

aren't shamans like, shit in 8.0?

[vagrant cape]

Supposedly, but I've always felt like a god with earthen wall totem down

[sick sentinel]

wait sorry what spec of shaman are we talking about

[old zephyr]

Mine did well

[vagrant cape]

Resto

[sick sentinel]

oh ok sorry nvm

[vagrant cape]

Oh, 4x was talking a different onr

I'm saying resto shamans are great for healing me

[old zephyr]

Do décent dps and use totem to cheese things, all good with me

[vagrant cape]

As long as they use their goddamn totem

[old zephyr]

Hunter transfer aggro son I can kite without thinking, and paladins do their ususal broken stuff

[vagrant cape]

Earthen wall totem is flat damage mitigation and with all the mitigation warriors already have it's basically an immunity when pulling a large pack of smallish things

Paladins as an overall class are in a pretty good spot right now.

[sick sentinel]

yeah misdirection is so good when you need to kite

also tricks

I basically don't have to do anything

[vagrant cape]

Yeah, my dream comp is prot Warr, resto Shaman, rogue (idc which as long as they have group stealth), frost mage, and a warlock

I'm addicted to healthstones

Maybe a disc priest instead of a resto Shaman on harder keys for the fortitude

[old zephyr]

Mine is paladin shaman rogue(hubter is okayish) priest

[vagrant cape]

Which one's the healer?

[sick sentinel]

99% chance says that a disc priest will be on my team

[old zephyr]

Doesn't matter, I just want mass dispell

[vagrant cape]

Ah, good call

[old zephyr]

Mass dispell, +pal bubble, +anti fear totem +Cloak /mass stealth/misdirect.

Gotta cheese everything that can be cheesed

[vagrant cape]

There's an antifear totem?!?

[old zephyr]

Yeah

[vagrant cape]

What the fuck have the shamans I play with been doing?!?

[prisma night]

Is tremor still a thing?

[sick sentinel]

Berserker's rage?

they got tremor in BfA

[old zephyr]

Rage is just for you totem is for everyone

[prisma night]

Ah thats why i didnt know about it; it wasnt a thing in legion

[vagrant cape]

I use berserker's rage, but that doesn't stop my team from getting feared into a giant pack on siege

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah that makes sense

[old zephyr]

The grandest cheese ils have seen is rezan.
When He fear everyone keep bashing him with totem, when he eat someone everyone keep bashing him with BoP. Dead before anything happen

[sick sentinel]

yeah I love that

[prisma night]

I mean rezan feae is super easy to los at the stairs anyway

[sick sentinel]

yesterday we had a 2 paladins in the group

[vagrant cape]

Every time I think shamans are good I read about another ability I've never seen before and I'm like, "wtf this is so good use this on me please. Stop spamming chain heal for one gosh darn second."

[sick sentinel]

2 bops

[prisma night]

The bop though is sick

[old zephyr]

It's easy to line but that's 2 sec less from BL

[sick sentinel]

wait I was not watching anything in the beta, how do you deal with pursuit on higher keys and no bop?

like, do the mechanic the way it is supposed to be done and run?

[vagrant cape]

Yep. Like a plebeian

[prisma night]

Pmuch

[sick sentinel]

because in M0 we either BoP it or we outheal it

[old zephyr]

^

[sick sentinel]

or we use a personal ( and I rally)

[vagrant cape]

Yeah outhealing won't fly in m+

[old zephyr]

I used to run it away in the begining

Kill the raptors while rezan run

[sick sentinel]

we do the "pull the boss to the stairs" mechanic and do the LoS under the stairs

[old zephyr]

The fear is not the main thing mostly the pursuit thing

[sick sentinel]

well if you are at the stairs you can run in a straight line without any adds, right>?

[old zephyr]

I've never seen anyone beeing able to do that, if rezan walk on them they raise as well and he is VERY big

[junior ivy]

how hard do you guys think +10s are gonna bve tuesday

[vocal nimbus]

the vast majority will not clear a +10

[dark junco]

Hey, how you guys do the shadowlike spirits in kings rest?

Do you activate them or just get them cleaved by the lightning without grabbing them in the fight?

[junior ivy]

how hard will like a +5 be

[vocal nimbus]

probably the average mythic raider will do a +7?

a +5 for sure

[junior ivy]

so if we are all like 342 ish ilvl

we will get a +5 done

and maaaybe 6 or 7?

but probably not 10?

we used to do +20s, +21s in legion

and sold +15s

[vocal nimbus]

yes

[junior ivy]

so thats about our skill level

i really wanted to do a +10

[vocal nimbus]

how long did you take to make your first +10?

i remember it being a hecking long time for me although i always pugged at the start of legion

[junior ivy]

i dont remember tbh b ack in early legion i was terrified of m+

and didnt have many wow friends to do things with , i was in a guild i didnt like and never talked to anyone

so i pugged things now and then

but i remember it took me forever to be brave enough tyo do a regular mythic

[sick sentinel]

well if you spam the whole week you will finally push up to +10 by reset

esp if you clear Normal and HC

[junior ivy]

im raiding tuesday but i dunno if we are doin normal or heroic

probably normal first weem

[sick sentinel]

my guild is doing normal on reset and then attempting HC on the weekend

[junior ivy]

if my guild only does normal, ill try and pug heroic

lol

i imagine normal is gonna be hard though

[strong forum]

yeeee

just got my BiS chest from tol dagor

so im now full BiS azerite

GIGA

still unsure about overwhelming power vs strength in numbers

[junior ivy]

grats!

is there a lis of BIS azerite items ??

[strong forum]

yea in the icy veins guide

[steel mauve]

its always best to start off in normal imo, loot is still an upgrade, you learn the fights, and you're not as powerful as you think you are

[junior ivy]

azerite gear is confusing t ome s oi a BIS list would help

[strong forum]

preraid its Freehold helmet and Tol Dagor chest

[steel mauve]

get gear with our best azerite traits, pretty simple

DC helm from freehold, and BfI on the other 2

[strong forum]

the bis list includes the overall best traits

[junior ivy]

but "best traits" can be confusing when one item might have best outer ring trait and another might have best inner ring trait

right?

[strong forum]

exactly

[steel mauve]

arguably the outer ring traits are the most important ones

[junior ivy]

good to know

i dont have ANY of the bis azerite gear !!

i just checked

[delicate breach]

Don't bother with any of the inner ring traits if you haven't unlocked it? Gear will be next to absolute when you push content come Tuesday patch anyway...

[strong forum]

yes outer ring is most important

but 2nd ring is very good aswell

[junior ivy]

i didnt realize that

[timber nest]

whats the optimal piece to have DC on?

[vocal nimbus]

any

[final mist]

You just want one.

[junior ivy]

i got 2 pieces with DC

is that extra good?

[final mist]

The damage from Thunder Clap stacks, but the important thing from DC is the DS duration increase, which does not.

It's capped at +2 seconds.

So no, replace one of those with another piece if you can.

[junior ivy]

alright ill try

[wide tinsel]

if an item has crit/haste and another has vers/mastery

would i be better off with the haste one

[amber siren]

assuming equal ilvl

crit haste would be dps

vers mastery would be defensive

[junior ivy]

150 cooking !!! yay

finall.y

l;ol\

[scarlet osprey]

@dark junco i assume you mean the little shadow fiends? I just mass dispel when I'm healing with my disc. I'm lurking here to get a better understanding of prot warrior in general as I run with one all the time in my guild.

I don't know if there is a ny other way to get rid of them other then purge.

[sick sentinel]

zzz

[raven kernel]

wut

any warrior can solo those

charge in, get feared, zerker rage, aoe

the shield is very small

just dps through it

[old zephyr]

They usually run away from tank

[timber nest]

@final mist so i have 1 DC trait in my shoulders, just got a chest with IF. the only trait worth losing ilevel for is DC right?

[vocal nimbus]

y

[steel mauve]

ya

[shut summit]

ye

[steel mauve]

i literally keep getting helms from the azerite caches from emissaries and stuff, and its my DC trait at 325 ilvl -.-

[icy lion]

hows the darkmoon deck for prot?

[junior ivy]

i thought it sucked but then i checked icy veins

and its BIS

so im confused lol

[sick sentinel]

im using fathoms instead of blockades now.

[drowsy fractal]

i think it was recently buffed, but I honestly haven't paid attention to it

[green isle]

it was laughably bad, then they buffed it and now it's good

[strong forum]

blockades is pre-raid BiS defensive wise

[junior ivy]

how much does darkmoon thingy sell for

[onyx vessel]

like 30k

[junior ivy]

thats not bad

i might buy one

[quartz ridge]

is the cleaver from waycrest manor any good?

the lack of stats is off putting

[old zephyr]

For tanks you want to get stats rather than fat Damage. But STR and stam is still amazing

[timber nest]

feelsbad that they made it so u cant sim stats for dmg in bfa

[junior ivy]

when youre waiting foreverrrrrr for a world quest mob to spawn , with likje 12 other people

finally realize its ina cave below lol

[timber nest]

elemental whirl or shimmering haven?

im not a fan of moving into something while tanking

so im leaning towards EW?

[jovial reef]

dmg vs survival

well, whirl actually does both

[junior ivy]

i bought dmd blockades

for 16k

is that good or bad

[jovial reef]

at 16k it doesn't even matter

blockades is neat

and cheap

[junior ivy]

cool

i use with jes's howler right?

344 !!!

[amber siren]

yeah both are bis defensively

[junior ivy]

yay

what is the name of the best haste food

[jovial reef]

swamp something afaik

[junior ivy]

ty

[shut summit]

swamp fish n chips

[junior ivy]

im stocking up on consumables

for raid and m+

ive been using legion consumables til now

[smoky wave]

Swamp fish and chips is just fish, chips and gravy right?

[junior ivy]

i have a weird and stupid issue all of a sudden

pressing d doesn ot make me right to the rightr

[thick ruin]

check your key binding

[junior ivy]

WAS work

but D stopped working

ok i will

ok fixed

lol

thanks

[thick ruin]

np

[terse loom]

New here, bis traits for proc?

[junior ivy]

deafening crash

[terse loom]

Ty my catfriend

[junior ivy]

yw

[buoyant veldt]

only one deafining crash tho

and two brace for impact

iron fortress is third best iirc

[junior ivy]

when do weekly quests come out

[sick sentinel]

what do you mean by weekly quests

[flint herald]

Hey guys, question. do Warrior Tanks have a BiS?

[ember arrow]

you see the item level of the item you currently have?

if you get a higher one, thats bis

Bis list didnt exist for a long time, especially not in legion with titanforging, neither do they now

[dark junco]

@scarlet osprey thanks! Just saw your ping 😃

[novel temple]

would you say the servant splitter is better than the sword from the last boss of temple of seth

equal ilvl and all that

for damage purposes

[shut summit]

it did 180k for me over a 35min mythic+ on beta, so unless something has changed between then and now its not great

that was with it at 370 ilvl as well

[hot locust]

The DoT is pretty worthless. They favored the 2h version a lot this time around.

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159626/lingering-sporepods&bonus=4777:1482
or
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159627/jes-howler&bonus=4777:1482
along with blockades?

[vocal nimbus]

Jes

[hot locust]

Definitely not sporepod, so Jes'

[sick sentinel]

Really? But I get 59 avoidance from the spores and a good amount of heals

[shut summit]

ye, jes

[steel mauve]

spore sucks

[vocal nimbus]

The heal doesnt proc that much neither

[sick sentinel]

So do we use Jes on cooldown or with Avatar for example?

[steel mauve]

and avoidance only deals with aoe damage

avatar is gonna come off cd far more than jes with AM

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that's true

Would it be a good idea to pair it with Demo shout then considering Booming Voice gives you a 15% dmg buff?

At worst you might miss using its effect for ~20s

[vocal nimbus]

I'd try to pair it up with DS at least

Whats the cd of jes? 2 min?

[sick sentinel]

yea

[vocal nimbus]

I think you can have it up for each second avatar

Offensively that is

You can also use it as a defensive cd

Provides around 8% vers at 340

[hot locust]

Thats hardly a defensive that will save you from anything dangerous...

[sick sentinel]

The way I'm using demo is to pop it whenever there's more than 3 mobs around me so I can keep the threat due to increased dps and benefit from the defensive use of it

So getting some versatility ontop of that would be good.. I guess that's what I'm gonna do. I don't feel like finding a special keybind for that one trinket right now

[vocal nimbus]

The dr from vers is half the % right? Or was the dmg bonus what was halved?

I usually mix both up

[hot locust]

4% reduction, yes.

[vocal nimbus]

Oh then its weak yeah

Anyways i'd use jes each second avatar

[strong forum]

so i asked this question multiple times, but idk i have to ask again, i have BiS helmet and chest with Overwhelming Power vs Shimmering Haven/Strength in Numbers, both are B Tier traits and i cant 100% make out what i should take

any insight from the big bois?

[vocal nimbus]

Id use op

Shimmering haven may proc when you need to move

[primal bramble]

how much does a socket count for ilvl wise?

[vocal nimbus]

And a haste proc would benefit more than an hp proc

[primal bramble]

have a 335 shield with socet and a 340 shield

[strong forum]

well i enjoy the high AF HP with haven + blockades

strength in numbers could get my HP above 230k

if everything procs good

and with max stacked ITF im at 36.xx% haste already

not to mention rezan proc and enchant im from time to time at 50% haste

[wooden lark]

is prot warrior still shit

[strong forum]

no

[wooden lark]

ive had a look and im seeing 20k ignore pains for 40 rage

seems pretty trash compared to my other tanks

[strong forum]

ignore pain is a rage dump

[brazen void]

^

[little star]

ignore pain being shit doesnt mean warrior is shit

[wooden lark]

so mitigation is just sb

[strong forum]

"just"

[brazen void]

and demoralizing shout

its uptime is ridiculous

[strong forum]

and last stand with bolster

and shield wall

[little star]

and ignore pain isnt that shit its actually quite strong against magic vs other tanks

[strong forum]

yea i did 10k hps several times

[brazen void]

hells, even revenge's giving dr% with the right gear

[strong forum]

you just gotta play right

[wooden lark]

hmm guess ive just gotta forget the way prot played in legion and give it another shot

[strong forum]

exactly

[little star]

ignore pain went from the best survival ability to the worst pretty much

[strong forum]

its still really good

im trying to have 100% uptime

[wooden lark]

doing 25k hps on my dk vs no self heal or active mitigation other than shield block seems like a big drop in effectiveness tho

[strong forum]

and with that i have like 5k hps baseline

[wooden lark]

but ill see

[fossil sparrow]

almost as if it was needed, warriors have had no magical resist for..ever

[strong forum]

keep in mind aidan, if played correctly you take much less damage than a blood dk

[austere oar]

the worst change on IP is the GCD

[wooden lark]

there's 0 chance ur gonna have 100% uptime on a 20k shield in mythics

[strong forum]

i do

[fossil sparrow]

You also heal less

Blood dks still heal a stupid amount

[wooden lark]

there's literally no way u have 100% uptime unless ur pulling like 1 mob at a time lol

[strong forum]

nope

[wooden lark]

20k damage is like 2 melees

[strong forum]

LUL

no

[little star]

2 melees unblocked maybe

[brazen void]

i don't see the point in comparing hps from dks to anything else

[strong forum]

you get hit for like 1k per melee

[brazen void]

They don't really have anything else, of course the number will be high

[strong forum]

when you block you take almost 0 dmg

[wooden lark]

whats ur mastery

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[wooden lark]

i mean it does matter..

[strong forum]

not if you play correctly

in dungeons

you will have 100% uptime on block

mostly

with SB and Bolster

through AM

[wooden lark]

oh i was talking about ip

..

i thought u were too

[strong forum]

well your IP gets hardly used up if you block

i have it often run out

[fossil sparrow]

"if you block" so you're banking on rng

that's a solid plan

[little star]

"if you block" you can have 1 minute of block up at a time

[strong forum]

instead of being used up

[little star]

pretty much

[strong forum]

you can have 40sec of block up

without problems

so in dungeons that pretty much 100%

[wooden lark]

guessing this is bugged?

[strong forum]

ye its 36.22%

[little star]

its missing a .

cus blizz small indie company

[wooden lark]

yeah so ur telling me that if u use shield block ur 20k shield is not gonna get depleted

[strong forum]

ye most of the time, unless you bigpull ofc

[wooden lark]

even with 36% dr that shield isnt gonna do shit and will get removed within first 5 seconds

[strong forum]

and recasting IP isnt that bad

you underestimate how little damage you take

by quite a lot

[wooden lark]

36% dr not including magic

[strong forum]

ye magic is a bitch

just spam IP for that

[little star]

well 1 melee from a dungeon trash mob will use 2-3k of your IP after block

[strong forum]

all you can do

not even

well it doesnt for me

my block is 45%

[wooden lark]

im going to have to see this for myself

[strong forum]

you have to be willing to cast IP

[little star]

i recorded my m0 runs lemme watch it back real quick

[strong forum]

if you take IP as it is, a 50% dmg reduction

you are fine

its a 50% DR on top of your block

[wooden lark]

legion u spammed the fuck out of ip and got a 10 mil damage shield and now it seems like trash compated

[strong forum]

legion is gone

[wooden lark]

compared*

[strong forum]

im pretty sure every tank is crying over not being legion anymore

so no point in comparing IP anymore

[wooden lark]

meh dk is the same and monk is loving life

druid is boring as usual

[strong forum]

from what i heard BDK got still fucked quite hard

[wooden lark]

no not really

[strong forum]

pretty sure

[wooden lark]

i main bdk its literally the same

other than a few things on gcd

[little star]

ok trash pack before the totem boss in atal'dazar, 1741 <1741 Absorbed> <2468 Blocked>

[strong forum]

yea thats nothing

literally midigated 75% of the damage

[little star]

not to mention i seem to crit block alot

[strong forum]

same here

crush from the waycrest tree boss

taken 2k damage

blocked like 25k

wArRi hAs nO sElF sUsTaIn

cuz we dont need it

[broken kite]

Good thing it's not a pvp expac

[strong forum]

people are underestimating prot by a mile

and i like it

except for the cry babies and memes

[little star]

if VR procced of mobs dying instead of just getting the killing blow that would be great aswell

[strong forum]

i still get a fair share of procs

especially if there are small mobs

[brazen void]

it's not ideal, yeah, but our dps is high enough we get a couple of those in every fight with differently hpd mobs

[strong forum]

but that might be cuz of shitty dps mates

[little star]

the grubs and the dogs in waycrest have a high chance since theres alot of them and low hp

[strong forum]

exactly

i love to pull the gluttenous boss instantly

with all the adds

so much dps and healing

if i get spam healed and not have to use defensives IP and VR can prob get like 100k dps in there

[little star]

ye its a really fun room

[solid mist]

what are you guys using to track your incoming damage/block/absorb etc. to look at it?

[little star]

i use parrot2 but since prot is pro active and not reactive its not really necessary

[solid mist]

I just wnat somehing I can glance at every so often to make sure I'm doing a good job mitigating

[junior lichen]

Mchimba's ritual bandages any good?

[ember arrow]

theyre not terrible defensively

i think Meiffert once did maths

@junior igloo you once did maffs on this right?

[junior lichen]

Compared to a rezan

Im kinda lost

[ember arrow]

the strength is always good on it, and the absorb is better defensively than a dps trink

but if u dont need surv i wouldnt use it

rezan will be better generally

[junior lichen]

Nothing really hits hard tbh

only thrash

[ember arrow]

well yea

go do m+ next week

ppl will get rekt

[junior lichen]

Its probably not worth

[ember arrow]

they ll underestimate

[little star]

its less than a IP on a 1min30s cd

i have a 355 mchimbas and i find it complete trash

[junior lichen]

It could be usefull in uldir right

certain scenarios

[little star]

could help on the magic dmg bosses, zekvos zul and ghuun

[junior igloo]

Why are you comparing it with IP instead of comparing to other available trinekts?

[little star]

i said it gives less than an ip i didnt compare it to it

[flint herald]

@ember arrow Was trying to prove something to a friend, who is a prot warrior who keeps telling me that that you guys have a BiS because if you take out TF and WF out of the equation, there are some pieces which are better than others

Thank you

[vast chasm]

btw best tank for uldir right now is Brewmaster/guardian right?

[little star]

raids not even out yet how are we supposed to know whats best? cus alpha/beta didnt tell us

[vast chasm]

Don't need to play the raid to know class balance. It's all simmable

And uldir is a lot of single target bossing which will favor a specific class anyways so just that is enough to have an edge

[fierce juniper]

You can't sim tanks, so that's not true.
Additionally there's never a strictly "best" tank. Certain tanks do better than others on certain fights.

[little star]

most guilds will use a blood dk on zek'voz and probably Zul just for the grips

[solid mist]

325 -> 340 helm. worth losing Brace for Impact for the revenge one? :/

[vocal nimbus]

yes

only trait worth ilvl is deafening crash

[solid mist]

ah. got that one on my chest so good on that

[fossil sparrow]

huh, almost 10k from the tank CTA

wish it gave this much back in cata

[solid mist]

forever stuck witha 310 shield 😦

[little star]

330 shield wq up rn for me

[solid mist]

😮

[little star]

are you on NA?

[solid mist]

yeah

don't see it

[little star]

ah im EU

[solid mist]

ahhh. so it shoudl be coming my way soon ? 😄

[little star]

Eu has either been really lucky or NA has been really unlucky

[solid mist]

also. 320 aight to try and pug mythics?

[fossil sparrow]

now? probably not

last week, probably

[little star]

its fine but id recommend to make your own grp since ppl want 340s now

[fossil sparrow]

330 appears to be the base, was 325 last week

[broken kite]

Another reason to have a guild

Pugging will be rough but yeah, agreed that you should just form your own group

[distant tiger]

hey guys, does crit help in something?

[final mist]

Gives Parry, it's good for DPS.

[distant tiger]

i have like 400 crit food, idk what to do :/

[steel mauve]

ive had hit or miss pug groups so far, either the healer is slow to heal, the dps is really low, or the group is awesome and we blow through pulling 3-4 packs at once

[balmy narwhal]

omg i want shieeeld 😦

[torpid shuttle]

tried all spec in warrior and by far the prot is the most fun to play build

which is sad for me since i am dps

[ember arrow]

yea thats a bit of a problem there

[stoic kite]

is the darkmoon fair trinket good for prot

I mean blockades one

i bought it. oh well. impulsive

im sure its better than my i273 tirnket

[vocal nimbus]

its good

[balmy narwhal]

so u guys have gotten shields from WQ?

[stoic kite]

got one from the auction house lol

[sick sentinel]

bought 355 oswain

wasnt gonna wait.

[balmy narwhal]

270k?

[steel mauve]

i still havent seen a shield drop, even after i bought oswains, was 250k for me, well worth it

i havent seen a shield from a WQ and the only weapons ive seen were 2hand pole arms

[pulsar drift]

still wearing a bum ass ilvl 300 shield

dont drop

mean while im ilvl 338

[slate sand]

Iam wearing ilvl310 onehand and iam same ilvl as u :>

no weapon for me

ever

[rocky rivet]

calver

[broken kite]

Only good thing about oswains is that it's invisible while sheathed

[wind hare]

glad I'm not the only one. still rocking a 300 shield I got from AH

[outer coral]

so fathoms doesnt proc for prot?

[fierce juniper]

it does

[outer coral]

alright

[uneven mason]

Even without a proc the raw str on it (due to ilvl) makes it strong for prot in many situations

[stoic kite]

shoujld prot be using str or stam flask

[little star]

strength will be best

stam could have its uses but for the most part strength

[frigid fjord]

any ways to determine azerite traits for prot? Having trouble finding a good source for this information. I have found things like icy-veins that list the best to worst, etc. but I cant seem to find comparisons anywhere.

[fierce juniper]

What are you looking for exactly?

[frigid fjord]

I have 2 340 chests, one has 3rd best outer ring trait, and an S tier inner ring, the other has 2nd best outer ring trait, and a B tier inner ring trait.

[fierce juniper]

ah okay. Yeah until there are exact weights for each trait so you can plug those into an addon or whatever, you won't really be able to get an exact answer

if you post screenshots of the two pieces we can suggest something though

[frigid fjord]

ok first chest is Brace for Impact with Lifespeed inner ring.

second is Iron Fortress with Crystaline Carapace

[sick sentinel]

So warriors don't have a filler ability to hit anymore. Like devestating strike back in the day

[frigid fjord]

you mean devestate?

[undone sun]

devastate is a thing

[fierce juniper]

@frigid fjord Use the first imo

[frigid fjord]

thank you

[dark junco]

Will the gnarled mood ring stay releveant longer if it has a socket ?

like thats a decent amount of haste, wonder if its worth staying at a lower ilvl for it

[junior ivy]

i hated every mintue of this

and wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy

[dark junco]

wow

[junior ivy]

omg feels good to be done

[clear sapphire]

Potion of bursting blood or str?

[undone sun]

most likely bursting for pure ST dps and str for everything else

[junior ivy]

icy veins said str

[round vortex]

Ooooo Thyme vs Marok go go

[junior ivy]

lol i hope its strength cause i spent a bunch of gold buying consumables after checking icy veins

[dark junco]

Will you guys be using a str flask or a stam one for tuesday?

I though str but i’m not sure

[junior ivy]

strength is what icy veins said

so thats what i bought

[ember arrow]

lol

[dark junco]

I got both, just in case

[junior ivy]

this what i got for raid.

i couldnt afford much

[ember arrow]

why do you have 119 drums

[broken kite]

Tfw when your raid doesn't have 5 shamans I guess

[lucid ginkgo]

WHy don't you?

Love me some pocket drums.

[rancid pier]

Same

Tbh

Stam if you need the raw HP. Str if you don’t.

[junior ivy]

cauuse drums

are important

i use them for m+ usually

[ember arrow]

but

why would you go into a m+ without a bl

for me, drums are soemthing for other people to worry about

[dark junco]

Cause I stack plate on m+ stm

Atm*

[final mist]

Sometimes you just don't end up having one.

It happens.

[ember arrow]

idk, i kinda plan before starting 😛

[junior ivy]

whats a bl

[undone sun]

bloodlust

[junior ivy]

oh

[ember arrow]

you gotta

be

kidding

[junior ivy]

but cant only mages and shamans do that

IM ALLIANCE WE CALL IT HERO

[undone sun]

alliance

lol

[dark junco]

^

[rancid pier]

Been in pugs that don’t use it, Been in all plate groups for gear sharing, been in groups that don’t know when to use it, there’s all sorts of reasons

[undone sun]

mage is time warp, shaman is blood lust

or heroism

wait

[junior ivy]

i tend to do mythics with same group. 2 warriors, 1 dk, 1 warlock and 1 priest

so we dont got a heroism person

it falls on me

ive taken on the role of drummer

[dark junco]

2 pally, 2 warriors 1dk/dh

Lawl

We alternate the drums

But its pretty sick for gearing: we don’t lose loot that much

[junior ivy]

i embrace being drum person, it makes me feel useful

[dark junco]

#utility

=p

[ember arrow]

wait, no ranged?

[rancid pier]

Aren’t you the tank? Haha that makes you useful

There’s no plate ranged my dude

[dark junco]

No ranged

[ember arrow]

not plate

[junior ivy]

lol im the tank 50% of the time

[ember arrow]

but i would never bring all mlees

[junior ivy]

me and the dk do /roll for it

[ember arrow]

hell naw

[steel mauve]

Shockadin, ranged dps there 🤔

[dark junco]

Lawl

[ember arrow]

i even prefer no melees at all usually

[rancid pier]

It’s m0 and we want to gear share. Yes all melee

[undone sun]

real hpal dps go into melee

[dark junco]

Its not 2.4

[junior ivy]

like, all my wow friends are melee.

i cant help it

i barely have any ranged friends

[ember arrow]

my gm is frost mage

ezkiting

[twin hazel]

well there are so few choices for ranged these days

[undone sun]

spriest haHAA

[twin hazel]

and too many for melee

[dark junco]

we’ll switch teams out once we’re all geared

[junior ivy]

if i was to ever level an alt, id wanna be a boomkin.

[ember arrow]

take the ticks, in underrot, adds on last boss shrine

explode when die

[junior ivy]

are boomkins good in bfa

[dark junco]

But at the moment we’re stacking

Leather with leather, plate with plate

[junior ivy]

yeah its nice having a bunch of plate in my mythics

[dark junco]

They tried no tank clothe run, didn’t work out lol

[junior ivy]

i geared up quickly

[ember arrow]

i already have CR, so i dont drum

my logic

[junior ivy]

cr?

you and your acronyms

[ember arrow]

also, i pugged temple, and we fought the adds beforel snek boss for 5 minutes

[junior ivy]

commanding shout nm

wait no

thagts cs

[ember arrow]

cr = combat res

[junior ivy]

lol

AS WARRIOR?

HOW

[ember arrow]

no

[junior ivy]

?!

[ember arrow]

dk

[junior ivy]

omg

i wish warriuors could

[ember arrow]

shout till u wake up

[amber siren]

SCREAM

[ember arrow]

i will paly warr if it feels good

[junior ivy]

its true though warriors need SOME kinda cool utility thing like bres or hero or summoning people, i mean we cant even regular res

WE CANT DO ANYTHING SPECIAL

[rancid pier]

Die really fast

You got that goin for you

[ember arrow]

[rancid pier]

Kappa

[little star]

a shout that busted the ear drums of your enemies that made them unable to cast would be cool

[sick sentinel]

we can hit people with a shield kappa

[amber siren]

I can run to allies v fast

[junior ivy]

they should let warriors summon people like warlocks can

cause its annoying rhat only one class can summon

and its annoying trhat warriors arent special

so it makes sense

let warriors summon.

[sick sentinel]

hahahaha

[amber siren]

That's some good science

[junior ivy]

i know right

its flawless logic

[royal marten]

Call of the Valajar - Set up a Val'kyr that can call your allies to arms, blessed by Odyn. - Basically the same thing except everyone else now can plummet from the sky on that location

hire me now blizz

[junior ivy]

YEAH

[ember arrow]

warr should have a channeledshield ability

oh wait

but where your allies can hide behind

[junior ivy]

thatd be kinda cool

[royal marten]

THE AEYGIZ

[undone sun]

NotLikeThis

[junior ivy]

but i think we need to be able to summon people more

let warriors summon. its gotta be a thing next patch pleease

[twin hazel]

wat

nah we need real utility

fuck summoning

[junior ivy]

summoning is important

[royal marten]

warrior CC - kill it faster

[amber siren]

Cat is new odyn 🙏

[junior ivy]

theres nothing more annoying than joining a pug raid and realizing they got no warlock

and you gotta walk allllllllllll the way there

another class needs to be able to summon

[little star]

i think a silence shout could be useful, kinda makes shouts like dh sigils but warrior esque

[junior ivy]

and warrior makes the most sense

[ember arrow]

how

does warr make most sense

[junior ivy]

cause warriors have no special ability that makes us unique and useful

we cant even res

we cant bres, we cant hero

[little star]

alot of classes can't brez or hero

thats why theres drums

[junior ivy]

hm lemme think

demon hunters cant, but they can double jump

rogues are the only other class in same situation as us

but they can pick pocket

and stealth

soo

really warriors are only class with nothing special

[ember arrow]

rogues can immune magic debuffs

cheat death

sap

shroud

[junior ivy]

im having an addon problem. i have to /reload efvery time i wanna open a profesison window 😦

[little star]

shroud would make rogue viable for mdi all on its own

[cosmic cargo]

rallying cry is sorta unique

I say sorta cause the ress totem for rshammies does similar or used to at least

[final mist]

Shroud does make Rogues MDI viable.

[sick sentinel]

Rogue can stealth the whole group

[final mist]

They also do decent damage.

[junior ivy]

warriors are literally just pure damage/tanking with nothing special. and thats ok i guess, but if any class is gonna get summon it better be us

[cosmic cargo]

shroud is kinda broken for m+

[ember arrow]

dps warr is justa dmg bot ye

[little star]

ye i meant it does, if all they had was shroud and no cc etc

[final mist]

We 100% will not get a summon, because it doesn't fit our thematic.

[ember arrow]

im not even sure how that l look

lets not look at thematic first lol

[junior ivy]

killin my dreams, sal 😦

[sick sentinel]

that would be cool tho xd

[final mist]

What we need

are

and stop me if you've heard me say this

but

Banners

[ember arrow]

banner?

ayyy

[dark junco]

The only time we coulda get a brez was legion

With valkyrs

But that sail has shipped

[ember arrow]

i wish i could sell m char soul to bwonsamdi

tbh

[little star]

what do you think about a silencing shout Sal?

[sick sentinel]

yeah make banners happen again

[junior ivy]

i just want something special, a reason for someone to be like "i wish we had a warrior"

[little star]

or shield slam dispel glyph atleast

[dark junco]

Banner: YOU GET ARMOR,YOU GET ARMOR, EVERYONE GETS ARMOR

[ember arrow]

reflevtive plating in UK

@junior ivy

[sick sentinel]

AOE group crit instead of haste. Like a shout version of bloodlust that offers 30% crit instead?

[ember arrow]

rip reflective plating

[dark junco]

^

[junior ivy]

not just something related to combat. think res, summon, that sort of thing

[dark junco]

Loved that

[junior ivy]

in that realm

[dark junco]

There’s nothing for us down that path, cat.

Sadly

[weary notch]

I'd still love this talent: Crater: Your Heroic Leap hits so hard it makes a crater, pulling all enemies within 20 yards to your location

[dark junco]

I compensate with drums, brazier, foods/feast, etc

[weary notch]

something akin to that talent in D3

[dark junco]

Feels like I kinda help

[clear sapphire]

@sick sentinel That was something I thought should have come back. Blizz makes class identity to be a thing. They gave grips to DK/DH and then took away AoE taunt for legion. That should have been our spec utility

[ember arrow]

monk has aoe taunt

E

[dark junco]

I’m also a dranei, so last stand-Gift of the Naru, is a thing

[weary notch]

but banners make the most sense thematically. I don't even need Demo Banner or Crit Banner (was it called Skull?), I just want Taunt Banner

[sick sentinel]

What about a val’kyr that resurrects you upon death once per hour or something?

[undone sun]

like the fury hidden artifact?

[dark junco]

Was fury thing

Would prefer consistant reliable effect

[weary notch]

Mocking Banner, that's what it was called

[ember arrow]

i mean, why a aoe taunt

[sick sentinel]

Banner seems legit to me

[ember arrow]

aoethreat isnt our problem

[frosty wedge]

it's AOE not around you

[weary notch]

^

[dark junco]

Like a purgatory effect of a Valkyr holding next to you like when gohan does his kamehameha to kill cell

[ember arrow]

so a monk statue 2?

[gaunt coyote]

Toss an ally to target location, dealing 9000% AP around him

[sick sentinel]

Crit, haste, mastery banner. Armor reduction banner, armor penetration banner

[dark junco]

Like she’s embracing ya to help ya out

[weary notch]

that's how it used to work

[twin hazel]

i miss that reckless banner

or whatever it was

100% crit for everyone around

[sick sentinel]

@dark junco exactly

[dark junco]

Yeah I get ya

[sick sentinel]

She returns your soul to your body

[weary notch]

I think we got banners in MoP. We had 3. Crit, Demo, and Taunt

[dark junco]

But since theres no more Odyn: rip

[junior ivy]

i just miss having an AOE taunt

😦

what was iut called again

it

[dark junco]

Banner was useful to get outta garrison if you were dranei or tauren with a elixir of giant

[little star]

challenging shout

[weary notch]

didn't we have an aoe silence a long time ago?

[junior ivy]

yeah

[dark junco]

You could intervene to it lol

[junior ivy]

i miss thattt

[dark junco]

Do you guys think I’d be worth it to hold onto the pure haste ring if it has a socket, even after like heroic/mythic uldir?

(Trying to flip to get a 350 haste one with a socket)

[final mist]

Mass taunt was Mocking Banner, Skull Banner was the DPS one, Demoralizing Banner was a -%DR banner.

[dark junco]

Cause I know thad be legit like a shitton of haste. Thats almost 6% just with that

[final mist]

After a certain point, the sheer amount of other secondaries + Stamina will outweigh the pure Haste.

[weary notch]

Bonus points if they added back Mocking Banner and it taunted mobs AND made fun of them

[dark junco]

Yeah I’m pretty sure it will, but would it be 375ish+ or later?

[steel mauve]

I miss a mass taunt

[dark junco]

Thats what I’m not able to guess/make up my mind

[sick sentinel]

rings dont give str if you dont need more stamina i would keep the haste

[ember arrow]

uhh no

you get more secondaries with higher ilvl rings

after 10-15 ilvls its worth replacing

[weary notch]

could anyone point me to some good guides for M+? Guides with detail like "you can skip this trash" or "go left here to save time"

[sick sentinel]

well i rather use really high haste ring then crit versa ring

[ember arrow]

well, secondaries are really close

[sick sentinel]

it will be higher stats yet not as much as useful

[ember arrow]

so youll miss out on upgrade

just to have some haste

[little star]

@weary notch i believe the method MDI team will be making them after uldir / reset or 2 of m+

[sick sentinel]

we dont know that cause we dont have sim

talking about dps not survival

[weary notch]

@little star cool, thanks

[ember arrow]

dk has sim

they need haste as much as we do or more

and thats what i base my opinion on

[dark junco]

Make sense levko, thanks

[ember arrow]

secondaries arent that far apart in bfa

its a 10% differenceat most iirc

[dark junco]

But I gues unless new ring has decent haste i’ll hold onto the gnarled with a socket

[little star]

@weary notch you could check out the method dungeon tools addon if you wanna look at what trash will give % etc

[dark junco]

Wait

Unless crit

[ember arrow]

crit gives parry

parry has waaay less DR in bfa

diminishing returns

[dark junco]

I’ll have to check on that

Didnmt notice

So I could stack crit and get them nice... what was it tanked? Like dodge tanking?

[ember arrow]

well crit is worst stat for defense

since parry is rng

[dark junco]

When rogue had like 102.5% evasion and parry

[amber siren]

You couldn't get crit anywhere near that high now anyway

[dark junco]

Nah I know, was mostly kidding

Forgot the name of what it was. Was it avoidance or something?

Back in bc days

Uncrittable, uncrushable and then the other I can’t remember

[amber siren]

Druids had something with dodge

Idr

[dark junco]

Yeah avoidance cap: block+parry+dodge+enemy miss chance

[frosty wedge]

I remember farming so much block gear to get 102.5

[dark junco]

Needed like 102.5% for raid bosses

Yeah

Being a night elf helped back then

[frosty wedge]

It was hilarious though

Running dungeons in that gear, taking like no dmg

And having HUGE shield slams bc of the block on everything

[sick sentinel]

yeah WOTLK era.

was a good time. and got me realm first TOTGC. all that block/avoidance gear.

[still turtle]

can i get some help

for keeping agro

😩

Its kinda hard....

[prisma night]

avatar more on trash, it comes back up so fast with anger management that you can use it almost every pull

you can start a pull with heroic throw on one thing, and taunt a different one for initial aggro

[still turtle]

ic..

[prisma night]

dps is important now for holding aggro so making sure you're using things like TC on cd is important

doing more dmg will probably help the most though

[still turtle]

TC?

[prisma night]

thunder clap

[still turtle]

o

right now im just running dungeons

to increase my item level

[frosty wedge]

What's your ilvl?

[stoic kite]

Anyone else having trouble w/ agro in multi-mob pull?

I feel like dps just explodes on them when im trying to build threat for mitigation

[raven kernel]

Avatar.

[sick sentinel]

nope.

[stoic kite]

What do you do after you charge in? I try to shield slam, thunder clap, shield block, demo shout

and then someone usually pulls agro

and im trying to revenge asap and it gets chaotic

[little star]

ava > charge > TC > demo > SB > TC normal rotation

[stoic kite]

ill try that too thanks. havent been using ava only on bosses

also only like 314 ilvl and was doing a mythic with 340+ dps

[little star]

you should have Avatar for every pack

[undone sun]

Especially with the talent you should be using Ava pretty much on CD

It's a lot of damage

[stoic kite]

ill remember that

ty

[still turtle]

dumb question but

does pally hold agro better

like warrior vs prot pally are they the same?

[undone sun]

Technically paladin has less overall damage output than warrior does so no. Warrior should be much better with agro

And in most cases it's not about the spec

[dark junco]

So since we’re 3 tanks, we’ve been asked to keep our dps spex somewhat decent. Should I go arms or fury? Which is easier atm?

[little star]

arms is looking the best i think but check the other channels see what they suggest

[quaint kiln]

Stupid question, not sure if it's in the pins or guide - does block function as a % or an absolute?

[little star]

its %

[quaint kiln]

And if it's an absolute why isn't that # availble on my paper doll somewhere

okay

[little star]

if you look at the block stat on your character sheet it will say something like 3848% and that means 38.48% of damage gets blocked

[quaint kiln]

so for traits like Iron Fortress, how does the absolute value affect the %? And why is it an absolute number increase which in relativity is meaningless because we don't know how much our block value is?

[little star]

double if crit

[quaint kiln]

Shouldn't that trait be a % increase? so it's relatable to the number we're presented with?

[little star]

block value is on the shield and does increase the % but im not sure on the exact math maybe its on icy veins or another can chime in

[quaint kiln]

Yeah I would be very interested in seeing the math

if someone has it

[little star]

ah found it

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-rotation-cooldowns-abilities#block-rating

[quaint kiln]

Yeah i'm reading through it, I don't know that there's math here for block value & % relation... @fierce juniper Hate to bug you about this but do you happen to know and is it even worth trying to figure out?

[little star]

blockRating / (blockRating + k) where k =6300 for enemies 120-123

[fierce juniper]

Yeah it's explained on the rotation page

oh wait

he just linked that

whats the question then

[quaint kiln]

That's likely what I"m looking for

Thank you

[fierce juniper]

ah okay

np

[quaint kiln]

Was just trying to figure out how iron fortress or similar traits affected block value since it's a % on our paper doll, and why the terminology is absolute on the trait and not % based. Seems confusing for people who aren't familiar with math behind the scenes

Like, "what is 280 extra block when I'm blocking a %?"

[little star]

add the iron fortress block to your shield block and re run the "blockRating / (blockRating + k)"

so if shield has 4000 block and iron fortress adds 250 then 4250 / (4250 + 6300)

[quaint kiln]

well it would be to calculate the increase, but yeah

It seems that at equal item level for Trait/Shield it's ~1.5% block mitigation extra on iron fortress

[pastel sleet]

Is there an addon that tells you what type of damage is Incoming? As a follow up do we know if any mythic bosses or uldir bosses have reflectable spells?

[little star]

reflectable/blockable list is in the pins and as for the addon, i doubt there is one for incoming dmg but you can see what hit you and what type it was

[raven kernel]

There's a weak aura for the dmg Inc somewhere iirc

At work so can't find it right now

[pastel sleet]

Interesting. Thank you. I may make a weakaura for this

[little star]

do you mean this one @raven kernel https://wago.io/B1pg1fRub

[raven kernel]

No

Check wagio

I'm sure it's there

[little star]

pretty sure this one has been updated to show damage prediction

ah its only for m+ bosses / specific mobs

[wary crystal]

MORTAL

STRIKE

[glossy musk]

Vers nav a viable enchant if we taking too much dmg in mythics

[amber siren]

if you want defense you'd go with armour

otherwise haste for dps

[inland silo]

we finally got an upgrade boys

https://i.imgur.com/88Sz2fm.png

[modest totem]

Dam really nice, i too still have my 266 shield :(

[dark junco]

Any of you guys bought a 355 shield ?

wondering if I go for it or wait since i'm sitting on a 340

[surreal stump]

last boss in normal drops haste mastery one and its 355, id not waste the gold imo

5th boss in for the first one to drop looks like

[halcyon goblet]

Is the Icy Veins azerite traits ranking still up to date? Deafening crash far and above the best?

[shut summit]

ye

only need 1

[halcyon goblet]

yup, just trying to explain to AMR that it's trait ranking i wrong

[undone sun]

hmmm

[final mist]

Don't bother with AMR.

Not worth it.

[sick sentinel]

Use your brain to sim prot. Cus nothing out that works.

[undone sun]

AMR is completely different from SimC anyways, one is reliable and the other is not

@final mist

[final mist]

@sick sentinel None of that now. Use #promotion.

[sick sentinel]

my bad

[wraith hemlock]

So... I guess this has already been asked plenty of times but just curious... How are you fellow prot warriors feeling as tanks this expansion?

[amber siren]

Goo

d

[tranquil lotus]

Hey guys, does anyone else find they get trucked by the blood ticks in underrot on mythic, seems what ever I do I get practically one shot. How is everyone else dealing with them?

[amber siren]

Kiting is the only way, the bleed does way too much

[raven kernel]

You aren't supposed to face tank them

Get initial aggro then start kiting

They die quick anyway

[inland silo]

can also skip both packs of them

[analog pendant]

Is it worth replacing 340 Ves/ 340 Zandalari Emblem over this? (146 crit, 66 lifeleech, socket, chance to increase primary stat by 674 for 7 sec)

[crisp pecan]

need t switch my wow to german language

[amber siren]

obligatory can't sim prot

but i can't read german either

so 🤷

plus are you asking defensively/offensively

340 vers trinket is p vague

etc

[raw gyro]

thinking of playing prot, is the gcd situation a issiue like everyone has been saying?

[amber siren]

Only real complaint people have is with IP

Everything can be avoided with proper play

[sick sentinel]

how difficult is tanking mythic compared to heroic

[broken kite]

raid or dungeon?

[sick sentinel]

dungeon

[broken kite]

you notice it at low ilvl

but outgear the difference quick

[sick sentinel]

hmm, well i tried picking up tanking earlier with normals and heroics and it wasnt too bad, but my gear was on the high side(338~) to begin with

pretty sure it helped to have a 340 1h and a 300 shield

[broken kite]

bfa dungeons do rely a lot more heavily on having people who know how to interupt etc

bad groups can be horrid

[sick sentinel]

being the only interrupter sucks

unless mages have interrupts i dont know of

[broken kite]

counterspell

i would call people out on it

[tiny sphinx]

think holy paladin is the only spec that got their interrupt taken away

[broken kite]

so many people play lazily

no stuns, cc, interupt

must be boring

[ionic fern]

That's mostly cause most people facerolled Legion m+ and are still in that mindset..there wasn't that much of a need for interrupting/stunning in the key levels that the general population was doing. So put together the new dungeon designs/Mobs(casters, magic damage etc) and the reduction/removal of tank Magic mitigation tools it's a shitshow at the start. 😄

[hushed swallow]

Mages are great since if you miss the spell cast, if its a buff they can just spellsteal it

same goes for shaman and warlocks

That is if the warlock knows how to use his felhunter properly

[acoustic stratus]

who do i contact to get IP off GCD

[strong forum]

@dark junco i bought 355 shield day 2 of Bfa and have been finding it extremely ez from that point on.

That's my shield experience so far

[native coyote]

referring to the interrupt discussion, is there any class that doesn't have a way of interrupting these days?

[undone sun]

holy paladin

i'm sure there's more

that's just the one i know

[strong forum]

Healers mostly

Besides priest

I mean shaman

[undone sun]

shamans?

lol

[native coyote]

shamans still has wind shear?

[strong forum]

Shaman is the only healer with an interrupt

Is what I was meant to say

[broken kite]

shaman mvp

[strong forum]

Warlock only has pet interrupt

[native coyote]

no, warlocks have an AoE stun too

[broken kite]

stun is different

[strong forum]

So are talking cc or interrupt now

[native coyote]

true that, but stun kinda interrupts spell casting mobs too

[strong forum]

Cuz then we have priest fear and pally stun

Warlock fear, traps, poly, knockbacks

[tiny sphinx]

not everything that is interruptable is stunnable tho

[strong forum]

^

[tiny sphinx]

to be fair, every class should get a minor resource return for interrupting like some other class i could name does just because...

to provide incentive

[junior igloo]

All tanks and melee specs have 15s interrupt.
Shamans of all specs have 12s.
Ranged interrupts are 24s (mage, hunter, warlock pet).
Balance druids have AoE silence.

I think that priests, balance (if you don't count solar beam) and healers are the only ones without an interrupt

[strong forum]

Yes that sums it up

If you want full CC chart, that's a lot more to write down

[native coyote]

point is that no group should be without some means of interrupts ...besides the tank. And yes, I've had some horrible experiences lately 😛

[strong forum]

Same here, pugs can't interrupt/stun for shit

[native coyote]

(both as tank and shaman healer btw)

[strong forum]

So I'm curious, m+ loot caps at 355 this week, but it can still TF beyond that yes?

I know next week cap is unlocked to 400

[merry cave]

I don't know if they've really given a concrete answer tbh

[strong forum]

But specifically this week we should be able to TF to 385 ye?

[ionic swallow]

how good will be prot warrior in Uldir raid? Better than Paladin or worse?

[strong forum]

About same