but anyone could get the axe
#protection
uneven mason
Flail is a benchmark
one day 5 xpacs from now some newb is gonne be using the improved high res animation flails
and be wondering what that clunky pile of dogshit we're swinging around
brazen void
For that I still use the nightbane shield of the original kara
it holds up surprisingly well
Tho it doesn't fit with my glourious torgashell set
open bluff
❤ that shield
brazen void
so it's retired for the moment
open bluff
So few mogs can actually pull it off because there aren't any real black plate mogs
brazen void
Yeah, I am wanting for those
brazen void
The textures need to be reflective to pull a decent black metallic tone
so... nagana.
fathom field
what's the coolest shield for a fierce gladiator transmog?
Don't all answer at once now
I don't want you to overdo it
Take it easy ya know?
fathom field
<3
How often do y'all have IP up during trash mobs? I feel like mine is up 50% of the time but I pop sb first
tidal fjord
For me it's:
Avatar
Charge trash, TC
Demo, SB
TC
[Insert anything else, be it another survival CD, or Tauren stun/shockwave]/IP
TC
NOW IP
TC
So I'd say 50% IP uptime is about right 👍
Thing with IP is it really is an I have nothing else to use gap filler or something to use if you have 0 sb charges. But if you have 0 sb charges then you SHOULD be using Last Stand
Though now that I think about it - It might be wiser to use LS on the initial pull with Avatar. That way you can alternate TC and IP/Revenge and let Anger Management drop the cooldown.
So by the time your next two SB charges after LS are out--you'll hopefully have LS off cooldown.
twilit yoke
Hi, I tried simming my character for prot and raidbots said it wasn't updated for it, is there a different way?
undone sun
nope
vagrant cape
Training dummy for an hour with perfect rotation 😄
undone sun
you don't, only use the stat priority
addons like pawn are useless for tanks anyways
twilit yoke
so pretty much just go by ilvl then
tidal fjord
^
twilit yoke
thanks
fierce juniper
@twilit yoke If you were able to sim you'd be getting DPS weights anyway.
tidal fjord
I just grab Haste and Versatility and be thankful I'm not a competitive raider/mythic+ runner
vagrant cape
ilvl, and if there's a tie you go haste > mast/vers > crit, I believe
fierce juniper
Strength is worse than the secondaries, per point, but otherwise yeah
Like that's why you take 40 Haste gems instead of getting a 40 Strength gem
vagrant cape
The only exception to the ilvl rule is if you don't have any deafening crash azerite pieces. Going from 0 to 1 of those traits is worth losing over 25 ilvls on your azerite piece
take a 325 DC trait over a 340 without it if you don't have DC
the ilvl of the DC doesn't matter, so if you have multiple DCs, equip the combination that give you the highest ilvl overall (again, as long as you have at least 1 DC)
twilit yoke
dont you not wanna stack them though
vagrant cape
thanks, Marok
And no, not really, @twilit yoke after the first, they only add damage
the 2 second duration increase of demo shout can't stack
but the TC damage does
that's why it's such a one-point wonder
so ideally you want 1 DC, and two brace for impacts
or iron fortresses, those are also pretty good
twilit yoke
gotcha, but otherwise you wouldnt change pieces of gear just because of azerite trait if that meant youd reduce ilvl
twilit yoke
alright that helps
sick sentinel
how are prot warriors compared to other tanks? i just did my first mythic at 315ilvl and felt squishy as hell every pack
prisma crane
we should pin the response
but anyways
we just show poor / improper play more immediately than other tanks
we wont compete in WF or high high end M+, but not because of being squish, but for various utility reasons
prisma crane
thats true
but i guess viable is different than squish, i feel like i see the word squish a LOT
tiny sphinx
315 for a mythic is pretty low, so that's no wonder
prisma crane
but yea, it just comes down to utilizing our toolkit well, and unfortunately, it's pretty punishing
placid fog
Do you actually have to get the killing blow to trigger Victory Rush as Prot? Maybe i havent been paying attention but when i played arms or fury it seemed to trigger regardless if i got the killing blow or not, however on icy-veins guide it says "after getting a killing blow".
sick sentinel
im having a hard time opening on packs without dropping to half health instantly since ignore pain is on the GCD
arctic sundial
Run in and shockwave then
sick sentinel
what if they arent grouped up enough for shockwave
arctic sundial
Pop Avatar and charge. That's enough to get a SB up.
serene stag
Extra hp + free blocks
strong forum
@placid fog yes
placid fog
ok thx
steel mauve
I dont feel all that squishy my self, so idk
fathom field
I feel squishy against fire dmg on some elite packs but that's it
iron forum
how do you guys feel about booming voice? I see that its recommended, but devastator just feels so much better to free up your rotation
sick sentinel
Those casters in shrine make me squirm but for the most part I feel pretty sturdy. I try to pop last stand on pull when it’s up for big packs
Booming voice is bae @iron forum I rarely have to press devastate.
left bloom
king's rest feels like a prot warrior nightmare at least
sick sentinel
I haven’t done Kings Rest yet because I’m no lifing honor bound rep
I’m not proud of what I’ve become
onyx vessel
oof
sick sentinel
It’s not going anywhere. And I simply must be a fabulous Mag’har warrior on live servers
(I also missed about a week of play right after launch due to a family beach trip)
iron forum
lol same I feel that, I left for vacation two hours before BFA came out and got back 9 days later
winter hearth
Did King's Rest with a resto druid healing me. Scary trash.
sick sentinel
Man I got a little lucky. I played launch night and Tuesday and then couldn’t play again until the following reset
iron forum
tbh I feel like "scary trash" accurately summarizes how I feel about most of bfa so far
winter hearth
that's fair
formal cargo
2nd to last boss is real spooky in my 333 prot warrior. Nothing felt “harsh” but the constant stream of BS heading your way on top of mitigating auto attack’s kinda sucks
sick sentinel
The dudes that throw you around. Can go all the way to hell
left bloom
at least they dont drop threat anymore
iron forum
oh fuck that, the guys in freehold you mean?
left bloom
which was the real problem
sick sentinel
Yes
formal cargo
^^^^jesus it’s so bad when your thrown
left bloom
I love freehold
winter hearth
and you are convinced you're screwing up
left bloom
for all the big pulls with avatar + TC madness
iron forum
I just become a human billiard ball for the entire pull if god forbid someone pulls an extra one of those
sick sentinel
Manor is my fave right now. I love the mirrored sides and the feel
I always wanted a haunted house dungeon
sick sentinel
I’d love a redo of Scholomance and the scarlet monastery
iron forum
you mean another redo lol
vagrant arrow
guys should i buy oswain what u think?
iron forum
v 3.0
iron forum
I feel dirty having a 350 shield and weapon when my main spec is arms
vagrant arrow
rezan
iron forum
yeah, and then i got a 350 froged order of the embers 1h
iron forum
i just changed spec ro bosses that had 1h and shield drops and no 2h drops
so i still stayed arms loot spec most of the time
junior ivy
why are some professions 1-900 and some are 1-150
sick sentinel
I’m using a heroic Rezan shield and I feel pretty lucky tbh
But a 305 quest reward 1H 😩
analog pendant
Regarding Engineering Googles: Is Relational Normalization Gizmo alright or should I go for Synaptic Spark Capacitor?
broken kite
what do each of them do?
analog pendant
Ah sorry.
Relational Normalization Gizmo: Your spells and abilities have a chance to grow or shrink the world. Shrinking the world grants you 356 primary stat and 8,708 maximum health for 10 sec. Growing the world grants you 832 Haste and 25% movement speed for 10 sec.
Spark Capacitor: Your spells and abilities have a chance to cause the target to become a Spark Coil for 10 sec. Enemies within 8 yards of the Spark Coil take 141 damage every 2 seconds and deal 5% reduced damage to you.
First one sims higher for single target damage, second one for AOE. But I have no idea about survivability (and I love changing my size)
oblique quarry
i asked here yesterday and noone responded. I just went with the haste
undone sun
how're you simming when prot isn't supported by raidbots/simc
open bluff
(inb4 amr)
analog pendant
More like my results in dungeons so far. Simming was the wrong word I guess
not reliable, but not really my point anyways
grim prism
Got a dank 345 2H because I forgot to change my loot spec :^)
fathom field
marok is my hero
topaz fable
So, what kind of DPS should I be expecting at 337 ilvl with two prot trinkets?
signal plover
Given those parameters anywhere from 5k to 40k
topaz fable
Ok, more specifically - sustained single target DPS, is what I meant.
signal plover
U have DC?
topaz fable
DC?
signal plover
Deafening crash trait sorry
topaz fable
Nope, I don't have that on any of my items.
topaz fable
Ok, that's about what I can do. I just don't want to be falling behind too much.
signal plover
Try to farm a DC pieces, even from heroic.
topaz fable
I haven't gotten an item with DC in ages. I have sorta been targetting it, but it is rare now.
gaunt coyote
I hate devastate so much
gaunt coyote
I spent all of legion with devastator
gentle rain
same
gaunt coyote
now I have this shit again
undone sun
yikes
junior ivy
ok im still confused about professiosn though why are they all 1-150
except archeology
which is 1-900
wait no, 1-950
fierce knoll
professions kind of got their own "stat squish," so now it's divided into sections respective to each expansion
junior ivy
but how come archeology is different?
tranquil lotus
Wowhead has a list of pieces that have DC on them
mellow oracle
cinder nova
yikers
anyway
uh
why the hell can I never find dps sims for prot wars?
But paladins, druids, dks, and monks are all simmed
weary notch
because no one wants to write the code to sim prot war (or API, or whatever it is)
cinder nova
@fierce juniper REEEEEEEE
fierce juniper
🙃
weary notch
I would if I knew how, but I think my last sentence clearly indicates that I do not
cinder nova
Is it that much of a pain in the ass to write or
frail dagger
how are warriors compared to other tanks right now? i've mained brew for a while, thinking of main swapping. figured this would be the place for advice.
weary notch
I have more fun on prot war than any other tank. That's why I stay prot. But tank choice is more about what you want to do
cinder nova
At least right now anyway
fierce juniper
do you know C++ swole
frail dagger
mostly gonna be doing higher mythic keys
cinder nova
C#
weary notch
we're going to be fine for raids. Potentially more than fine. We're a little lacking for M+, but viable
cinder nova
And I'm trying to learn Lua, but I'm pretty sure I'm still absolute garbage.
fringe marten
Does strength in numbers give you that 5800 hp currently, or add 5800 x X, to your max HP only?
fringe marten
right...I Just want to know if you get the HP tacked on to your current AND max..or if it ONLY boosts your max hp (like getting stamina added from the DMC trinket)
Trying to figure out if I want to run strength in numbers or overwhelming power..on my ashvane warden cuirass.
What are the traits for prot war on Skyscorcher pauldruns?
i'm stupid can check in game...derp
neat harbor
hey guys, something weird happening
my azerite veins tooltip tick time keeps fluctuating
keeps going from between 2.7 secs to 2.4 secs
just standing still
anyone seen that?
lapis ruin
See the haste buff...
viscid thunder
Prot ok for leveling solo or recommend arms?
lapis ruin
ITF talent @neat harbor
neat harbor
ahh ok, so people running past/by me is making it fluctuate.
that makes sense
still not used to that being applied by friendlies lol
rustic python
This itemization guide seems weird
quiet delta
any trait vs item lvl guide?
umbral raptor
if you have the gold is it worth to buy the boots that go with the BoE shield?
is the set bonus that good?
amber siren
I haven't seen anything about the set bonus but I'd imagine it'd lose out to item level when M+ and raids come out next week
umbral raptor
so yeah not worth it
I had already spent 200k on the BoE shield cause I've done all the mythics that dropped shields lol
bad luck
amber siren
feelsprotwarriorman
umbral raptor
indeed feelsprotwarriorman, 3 weeks of no shields lmao
weak zephyr
fml I was using stalwart navigation when everyone is using quick navigation
round vortex
Stalwart is defensively best. So you haven’t made a bad choice
Prot warrior players tend to naturally try and do high DPS, and justify the haste enchant because it had some defensive value. But if your goal is take as little damage as possible and live as long as possible then stalwart is the right choice. I’ll definitely be taking it
cloud bone
I took navigation because haste is like crack right now for us 😛
amber siren
I'll probably swap to haste once I'm more comfortable with the damage in raids and m+
cloud bone
see that's the smart play
I'll die doing the most dps before I not die cus of living
that made zero sense but it works
tiny sphinx
that's what my ppl call the "Appocalypse approach"- ret paladin would always blow everything on everyy trash pull in bc raids and pull threat and die, but of course he'd point out he did the most dps even after the pull was over
so it was always a win in his mind
dapper copper
gaunt coyote
real talk I played about 5 levels before I realized devastate wasnt on my bars
amber siren
@dapper copper ilvl always wins
quiet delta
is reinforced plating not good?
almost perma extra dmg and ignore pain or?
@gaunt coyote haha same here
open bluff
it's not bad, it's just outclassed
halcyon goblet
slight ilvl upgrade, but loses leech. Stick with the lower?
mint moon
any engineers? what did you take for the trait on the engineering goggles?
halcyon goblet
oh, huh, ok
rose marsh
Would you guys use blockades and fathoms or blockades and 345 gilded loa w/ socket
broken kite
i mean if you have both darkmoon...
sick sentinel
anyone can tell me aname of a nice addon for enemy nameplates (to clearly see when aggro is taken)
Kui best?
pastel sleet
/cast [@mouseovertarget] [mouseovertargettarget:mouseover] Taunt
/cast [@mouseover] Taunt
/cast [@mouseovertarget] [mouseovertargettarget:mouseover] Heroic Throw
/cast [@mouseover] Heroic Throw
yo. I write a lot of UI scripts and macros. thought this one was pretty good. thought youd be interested in the resource.
At its core, it acts as a mouse over taunt that uses heroic throw if taunt is on CD. Also, however, if you use it on a friendly that has aggro it will taunt their target if it is attacking them.
formal kayak
hi
I have these four trinkets
which I should be using for mythic dungeons?
325 big red button
325 spyglass
325+slot dinobone charm
310 briny barnacle
vagrant cape
what does the dinobone charm do?
formal kayak
vagrant cape
definitely that. and I'd go with spyglass as well
formal kayak
ok thanks
vagrant cape
try to use spyglass with every other avatar
avatar should be on a 1-minute CD or so
vagrant cape
don't do that
use avatar and demo shout on CD
for just about anything
I use em on packs immediately before bosses and the bosses go fine and it still helps finish the dungeon faster
the only expection is if the pack will take fewer than 15 seconds to kill
then I'd save it
brave oar
Yo, Just got a Jes Howler, Using currently Rezan plus blockades, is it worth switching blockades for Jes Howler?
amber siren
defensively blockades and howler are bis
brave oar
I read somewhere that blockades was shit, did the recent buff make it so good?
amber siren
i mean it's not 'good', but there's nothing better
brave oar
But rezan's haste buff is pretty decent no?
or is the vers buff so much better with Jes Howler than the haste from Rezans?
amber siren
jes is an on demand dr
prime umbra
yo yo, im a mega scrub
i read an icy veins guide that said one thing about prot stat priority, and another source gave me a different prioirity
i'm sort of new to tanking and have been used to just pressing magic buttons that tell me "more haste" lol
how do i stat priority
weary socket
Hey guys o/
our prio stat is haste > versa >= mastery
So what about rings? how much ilvl should I skip for a haste/ mastery or a haste/ versa ring?
lone cobalt
ilvl > all, stats are too close to actually create a relevant priority
weary socket
so for ring the same ilvl overall?
fathom field
Except you gotta have dc
undone sun
rings could probably sacrifice ~15 ilevels for better stats and be fine
indigo bobcat
Dammit, not used to changing weapons. Bought a 350ilvl mace off AH for a 100k and used it for two weeks before noticing it had int on it 😂
daring marlin
sux
trail dagger
Welp...
indigo bobcat
🖕
sick sentinel
did I p[ick the worst tank for M+s? (prot warr ofc)
ember arrow
If youre asking that that means youre not doing keys where tank balance is main problem
fathom field
I Don't feel underpowered at all except against certain trash packs--but that's every tank
sick sentinel
on M0 it does not matter, but Im afraid of high M+ (in legion I was SP)
fathom field
I've been blowing up heroic and mythic with prot and I'm a newb
sick sentinel
I could even say warrior might be best for M0 and lower
fathom field
Not sure if there is a huge difference honestly.
In mythics I want killing speed and mobility. I get that with prot.
I know on the forums everyone thinks we are underpowered but I don't know about that. I'd like to see feedback from logs before we make any conclusions
sick sentinel
yes, but in high M+ you might get problem with survi
I just hope there wont be again only DKs desired for high M+
sick sentinel
early you mean before next raid tiers?
ember arrow
@sick sentinel you missed my point
You could do m+ in beta for months. And every player that ll push as soon its out has that info available
sick sentinel
yea I didnt play beta, also I stopped playing at the end of legion, now I rerolled to tank, but I still wanna do as high as I can (hope it will be at least 20+ for legion perspective)
subtle jewel
Hi
one question: ilvl > all? or is a 325 with good trait better then 340 with no tank trait?
undone sun
deafening crash is really the only trait worth sacrificing ilevel for
sick sentinel
How do you guys sim your prot spec? Raidbots dosent support it currently
undone sun
you don't until it's supported
sick sentinel
So just prioritise ilvl & haste until then?
undone sun
following the stat priority, yes
sick sentinel
And should I aim for x3 DC or is only one required? Sorry for noob questions never tried prot war befotr
Before*
undone sun
one only, better options considering only the damage increase stacks from DC
sick sentinel
Okay thanks
twin sorrel
has there been any bliz comments on the state of prot?
cuz it feels shit weak compared to other tanks atm imo
celest jacinth
Prot is fine, apparently everyone is just doing it wrong 😄
in that theyre not a monk or DH haha
prime kernel
yo guys, do we have any data about Champion of Azeroth trait and how good it is for us ? cant find it on icy-veins or any spreadsheet
opaque cloak
Is it weird that I feel like a DPS with 3 stacks of DC?
lyric glen
Guys what flasks/potions would you use in raid and why? Im looking at the different potions, which would be best for us. if its the 15 k extra dmg or 900 str for 25 sec.. what would give more output dps wise, I dont think extra stamina for 25 mins in start of a fight is worth it:P
errant wing
stre pot stre flask
lyric glen
strenght flask ? for raid? I would go for strengt one in a keystone perhaps, not in raid?
fathom field
check out the guide. The strength pool ones are whatcha want
dont forget cheap coastal healing pots too!
karmic badge
Is devastator really unusable as guide says? I feel so global locked
lyric glen
I use devastator, and feel its working as it should, and works well imo
amber siren
It's not that devastator is unusable, just BV is just an incredibly strong talent for rage gen
sick sentinel
is there known ilvl TF cap when M+ and raid come out?
regal geyser
hmm
whole junco
What Guide you‘d say is more „right“ or better : wowhead or Icy veins since they are a little differend
sick sentinel
people here redirect to icy veins
amber siren
icyveins for sure
steel mauve
Might be 400 tf cap, if going from mythic zeros tf cap at +15 ilvls, but thats just an educated guess
inner arrow
How is the DMF desk this time round?
vocal nimbus
Good
chrome falcon
Sure is fun being told that warrior is literally unplayable garbage in dungeons because MDI competitors didn't bring them to +18s on beta
north dove
LUL
ember arrow
yea, those guys that will not clear mythic until next xpac
sure know their stuff in pugs
chrome falcon
I was summoning outside an instance and some guy just walked up to me and said "LOL PROT WARRIOR" then left
ember arrow
theyre experienced theorycrafters im sure @chrome falcon , theyre not just parroting shit others said
chrome falcon
I mean I partially blame the streamers for pretty much saying themselves that warrior don't even deserve a spot on the rankings
Even though the specific type of stupid shit they try to do in dungeons is not something that 99.999% of the playerbase will ever do
ember arrow
i do agree warr plays like shit
but it works
if played well, they take least dmg of all tanks, definitely least phys dmg
i will play my warr again if they will make it fun to play
legion warr was fun
chrome falcon
Yeah but their point is that warrior can't pull the entire instance and keep aggro while kiting
Which is true
ember arrow
u cant pull multiple trash anymore
chrome falcon
But also has no relevance for pretty much anyone apart from like 100 people
inner arrow
So if I can get a reasonably cheep DMF to tide me over until I get Jes and Rezans is a good strat?
ember arrow
bliz did a godo job making trashpacks counter eachother
take the trash before snek boss in temple
if u pull too much, there are too many interrupts and theyll heal to full
pulling multiple mounted dudes means they will all cast reflect, and everyone will oneshot themselves
@inner arrow its a good def trinke,t alot of str
inner arrow
doesn't the haste from rezan and the on demand for Jes work out better?
ashen shell
Guys, I got a problem. So I just got the big red button, 355 ,+69 leech, + socket. With all that is it actually worth using over Emblem of Zandalar? I know it's pure trash but with all those bonuses is it worth it?
hot locust
Emblem still probably better for survivability.
muted crane
Anyone crafted engineering Head item? Which traits did you pick?
upper spoke
Looking for* a great heroic raid guide. ill check out that pinned blockable spells list, but is there anything else i can reference? guide for heroic legion was awesome.
raven kernel
karmic schooner
ty ❤
winged scaffold
do you guys think the ignore pain talent will be necessary in raids?
winged scaffold
sorry not the talent i meant the trait
hot locust
Nope, other options offer far more damage reduction overall.
winged scaffold
excuse me i am reading the guide at the same time as asking these questions
so the questions are a little dumb
lmao
patent solstice
are prots pretty bad at the moment or might I be doing something wrong? I take like double the damage taken than a blood dk
severe steeple
ilvl?
patent solstice
346
got no azerite armor for prot tho since im using my arms armor, dont know about the importance of that
severe steeple
do you only use IP?
patent solstice
nah ofc shieldblock too and popping last stand when dmg is too high
patent solstice
IP global just feels like a waste with 10% shield
severe steeple
i dunno man when you tell me that you are tanking with the gear you got from arms i can only assume that you don't know how to play properly
patent solstice
well i didnt tank enough mythics yet too know when dmg gets crazy
severe steeple
more like a you problem than a prot problem
amber siren
it isn't about damage getting crazy, you're supposed to be using your cooldowns pretty much with every pull with AM bringing them off CD p fast
patent solstice
mh yeah might need to use the cds better, i mostly used them when im dropping too low, I never died but my life pool always jumps up and down
amber siren
yeah if your hp is low when you use them it's already too late
patent solstice
how important is the block value that you get from traits and the 2 PC set?
amber siren
not super important, 2 pc set is a bonus but nothing to strive for
only important trait is deafening crash
grim prism
If you dont have prot azerite im assuming your shield is trash
patent solstice
mh its 335 and 345 weapon
grim prism
Hmm yeah that should be plenty
More often than not its a matter of being too stingey with cooldowns
Like with AM you can demo shout pretty much every pull, sometimes multiple times per pull
Also keep in mind you need to actually be facing enemies in order to block
if you are getting surrounded by mobs you will still get dumpstered through cooldowns
patent solstice
yeah the cooldown but might be the greatest problem. the blocking thing I know about
well I guess i just need more practise thank you for explaining!
grim prism
Also think of last stand as more of a rotational filler than a cooldown
I like to use my block charges the pop LS for the autoblock from the bolster talent while SB recharges
junior ivy
raid comes out tuesday right ??????
grim prism
@junior ivy yerp
junior ivy
is there a good guide on how to tank the bosses
i am scared
im tanking for my guild tuesday
they expect us to know the fights going in
and 342 ilvl is plenty figh for raid right?
high*
heavy isle
Raid drops 355 gear. So anything north of 340 is more than fine.
severe steeple
first time raiding? lol
junior ivy
first time raiding with a good guild
they got cutting edge argus
my lastr guild was never able to kill coven heroic before bfa came out
severe steeple
your not getting str8 into mythic so...
amber siren
that's not what they meant mipikoz
severe steeple
ive read that normal is gonna be tuned for 335 but that was an unconfirmed source
junior ivy
i'm just used to playing with bad people who had low expectations
but this g uild is a lot more serious about raiding
and expects youto be good at your class and know what youre doing
severe steeple
do you?
junior ivy
i mostly know how to play prot warrior lol
but i dunno anything about the raid yet
i gotta watch videos i guess
i learn better by experience though. i can watch a video 3 times and it doesnt help much, i gotta experience the fight
and once i see the fight, usually i am pretty good at it from then on
severe steeple
you are surely gonna do normal
molten rivet
That's the beauty of progression fights. You have plenty of time to finetune your experience while that one rogue in your guild keeps standing in fire. Don't forget that the fight will be new for most people.
severe steeple
which is ez pz
junior ivy
is there a good guide for the fights? either written or just videos?
junior ivy
true
molten rivet
I guess your most common sources now are Youtube (like Fatboss etc), and read up on the wowhead/icyveins guides. And if you're really in doubt, look into beta logs on warcraftlogs
grim prism
Fatboss is good, properbird is good
Two minute tips is good
Pros and cons to each ofc
junior ivy
i better stock up on consumables
grim prism
Personal pref which you like best
I wouldnt worry too much about consumables in week one, chances are if you die while seeing fights for the first time on normal it will have nothing at all to do with whether or not you had a 60-stat augment rune on
junior ivy
i am crazy about consumables . i a;lways have a flask and food buff just for doing WQs
lol
grim prism
Then yeah stock up, theyre only going to get more expensive in the immediately coming weeks
More people stocking up, fewer people farming
grim prism
Yeah
junior ivy
archeology is the most pointless profession
i spent days leveling it, still .not done. finally got my first 'rare' item
was so excited
find out its a shiotty blue ilvl 300 trinket
grim prism
Its not great gold per hour but tank call-to-arms for random dungeons is good for like 2-5k gold a pop if you AH the runes
Which is nice if you fucking hate farming like I do
Although herbing is probably like ten times that per hour lol
daring marlin
prot warrior health is so lol
amber siren
ok thanks
grim prism
Its only a joke if you laugh at it
amber siren
i mean if you don't understand why there's a hp difference I'd prefer you to stay away from this class anyway 🤷
native kelp
ARMOR + STRENGTH
ember arrow
tank hp is meaningless on its own
amber siren
Elitist? 
molten rivet
I'm getting a real Blood DK discord vibe here
ember arrow
surely you are meming?
daring marlin
Prot Paladins have had lower health than Warriors historically. That's why it's hilarious to me.
The fact that some of you can't compute that is jarring.
amber siren
wat
native kelp
Didn't BFA spec change the way armor and strength work?
ember arrow
to bring up
native kelp
For prot
amber siren
Had my warrior since BC as well, don't really see why it's relevant
native kelp
This suggests that effective hp would change...
vocal nimbus
had my warrior since warcraft 3 cant really see why its relevant
daring marlin
@vocal nimbus good meme
gross leather
Ok, I'll do a better comparison.
LAST EXPANSION Paladins had the least amount of baseline health.
amber siren
paladin got a stam buff in the expac
amber siren
warrior has had the lowest fro a while
vocal nimbus
maybe you should laugh at flowers in the street too
if you want something to laugh at, compare first the effective health pool
daring marlin
Such a strange conversation.
I prefer my Warrior anyway cuz I feel tankier. Except on shadow of zul because I can bubble/taunt and cheese.
grim prism
Prot wars definitely had lower HP than paladins last expac
Unless you were running indom last expac
In which case LOL this has been enlightening
fossil spindle
Last stand, commanding shout and azerite trait - strenght in numbers.
Now tell me about how low hp warrior tanks has.
urban rain
⛈ 👏
grim prism
A dogshit rebuttal for a dogshit argument
fossil spindle
Let me take a bucket for your tears.
vocal nimbus
<@&257983573498265600> chill 'em
errant wing
daring marlin
🤔
grim prism
We just dont understand what you are saying in the first place my dude
stray wedge
What's going on here
vocal nimbus
everyone is on edge
grim prism
Nothing is happening
daring marlin
I was having a giggle at my prot paladin 10 ilvls lower having a bigger HP pool than my warrior and they're like
IF YOU DON'T GET WHY THEN LOL YOU SHOULD PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
stray wedge
Remember to be nice
grim prism
No, we were like "but we did before"
And then you were like ITS LIKE I SAID PROT IS BAD OR SOMETHING LOL
stray wedge
Enough
daring marlin
Not really the order of events at all. Dogpiling over a one-off comment I made is hilarious.
I'm done, though. 😃
grim prism
Hey at least when I meme-allcaps its with actual quotes
daring marlin
My paladin definitely had a lower HP pool in Legion when he had the same ilvl as my Warrior. /shrug?
urban rain
Mod that was pinged says "Enough"
Both parties continue
daring marlin
As it should be considering self healing.
turbid robinBOT
Done.
ember arrow
@daring marlin u know u can kite zul right
stray wedge
$mute @daring marlin
turbid robinBOT
Done.
urban rain
yikes
errant wing
and peace was restored
urban rain
Ty mod
ember arrow
🔨
urban rain
Idk how they do it
fossil spindle
Didnt they nerf dmg from zul?
stray wedge
That mob in king's rest? Yes, significantly
fossil spindle
Felt no need to kite it this week. Sweet.
severe steeple
i think we are gonna see a couple more dung nerfs the following weeks
urban rain
We may, hoping to see something done with the frequency of the Freehold suplex tosses
severe steeple
cause casuals will demand they run +10
urban rain
That too
ember arrow
He kept spamming me after macro muted him
errant wing
with a world boss to we hope
next ermine
I think highest you can do is +5 but dont quote me on that
junior ivy
omgg i wonder if ill be able to do a +5 in time
next ermine
Should be able to
vocal nimbus
@ember arrow how far did you go to kite it?
vocal nimbus
is he fast 🤔
ember arrow
Nothing extraordinary iirc
vagrant cape
The loot from the end of the dungeon stops getting better after +5, but the weekly chest loot caps after you complete a +10
So do a 10 and then spam 5s unless you want to get a high m+ score on wowprog
Which you'll probly have to do if you want to pug
#WarriorMasterRace
junior ivy
so we do gotta a +10 next week?
grim prism
If you can
errant wing
for most people a +10 will be unlikely week 1, but it will give max weekly loot
errant wing
thats true
junior ivy
ill do it
errant wing
i refuse to waste 2 hr s to get a +10 😃
junior ivy
i spernt 3 hours in a seat +21 before
errant wing
personaly aiming for like a +7 week 1, is an easier goal
do we know if the TF cap is raised when raid is available ?
primal crypt
Is the engineering helmet worth it for prot? I know it's good for dps
junior ivy
what
grave grove
swift basin
i like your cat
mighty turret
anyone got a pawn string for protection that isnt from Noxxic?
errant ledge
You cant get a pawn string for prot without manually making one. There is no way to sim tanks/healers and that is how pawn strings are generated.
Just read the pins guide and thats all you need
Curious on everyone's opinions about Dark iron 1% physical dmg reduction vs 2% increased secondary's from all sources for humans. At first glance it seems strong but not as much when you take into consideration how benefitable having more haste for mitigation uptime/more rage for mitigation is.
The most appealing part is the obvious racial with that massive cleanse/buff with primary stats on it.
cobalt trellis
hey fellow tanks, do you use a multi target threat addon/wa?
or is there anything like this?
errant ledge
Name plates with threat, all you need
sharp wyvern
^
errant ledge
They change colors based off threat %
errant ledge
Gives you time to react and apply aggro to mobs people are about to rip
sharp wyvern
It helps to mark skull so everyone is on the same target.
summer sequoia
so we have stat weights yet for prot
summer sequoia
have a haste/vers glove and a crit/vers glove (+5 ilevel) not sure what to pick there
already have a lot of haste on gear
vagrant cape
Ilvl >Haste > vers/mast > crit
summer sequoia
thanks
vagrant cape
Can never have too much haste
summer sequoia
😄
vagrant cape
But ilvl wins
summer sequoia
good, i hate not equipping higher ilevel stuff just because of stats
gearscore man
vagrant cape
That's largely a thing of the past with the exceptions of rings and trinkets
summer sequoia
alright
buoyant veldt
anyone else feel avatar + unstoppable force is a little too strong in dungeons?
ember arrow
@summer sequoia regardless of your equipped ilvl, the ilvl pugs/others see is your maximum unless they use addons like exorsus raid tools
shut summit
wouldnt be surprised if UF gets toned down some, ye
vagrant cape
No. It's fine and balanced. whispers keep your voice down, blizzard has ears everywhere.
summer sequoia
that's good
vagrant cape
I kinda wanna try vengeance in mythic dungeons to see how well warriors stack up.
summer sequoia
vagrant cape
Yeah, that thing was disheartening...
summer sequoia
yea
vagrant cape
I'm curious how many people who filled out prot warrior actually played it
Because it feels fun and strong to mr
Me*
But like, if I think the "weakest" class feels fun and strong, then veng must feel like a god
buoyant veldt
yeah, i really enjoy prot now
vagrant cape
It makes me wanna try it out
buoyant veldt
i think having last stand on a relatively short cooldown (with bolster and anger management) makes a big difference
vagrant cape
Yeah, I feel like I need to use my CDs more. I spam the dps ones but I sometimes go a whole dungeon with only one use of shield wall
buoyant veldt
having many active defensive cooldowns that you can only use every five minutes is trash
no cooldowns up? guess i'll die
grim prism
Prot is really fun, but I see why people say we are weak
ember arrow
It is kinda obvious as much as i love war
grim prism
I too have a problem with "holding cooldowns"
buoyant veldt
i rode the fury train all through legion
grim prism
Which is really self-defeating
celest gazelle
anybody know the stat weights for pawn
ember arrow
Doesnt work @celest gazelle
grim prism
There arent any @celest gazelle
Rule of thumb is ilvl > all and prioritize haste on sidegrades
vagrant cape
I'm curious how many hits I'll get if I search for "stat weight" in this channel
grim prism
Jewelry has a little more wiggle room because no str/armor on it, but stam is still valuable so dont go crazy
buoyant veldt
😄
errant ledge
Curious on everyone's opinions about Dark iron 1% physical dmg reduction vs 2% increased secondary's from all sources for humans.? At first glance it seems strong but not as much when you take into consideration how benefitable having more haste for mitigation uptime/more rage for mitigation is.
summer sequoia
1141 in # protection
buoyant veldt
what would you say prot warriors excel at besides aoe damage? i always felt it was mobility, but demon hunters are better than warriors for that imo
summer sequoia
looking good
ember arrow
Mobility is irrelevant in fights 99%
errant ledge
A smart warrior will always be faster then a DH, but it also requires people knowing how intercept works in your group
buoyant veldt
dont forget about every man for himself @errant ledge
errant ledge
Like someone pointed out earlier, if you get stund/ccd in stuff you likely stood in shit or didnt interupt something
So not taking that into consideration as much
ember arrow
Well other tanks with less mobility have other ways to desl wit it
Dk can straight up not be slowed or knoxked back
As example
errant ledge
Dk is also the slowest class in the game
vagrant cape
Paladins are slower now
ember arrow
Irrelevant in combat
vagrant cape
DKs can talent to be faster than paladins
errant ledge
How is it irrelevant in combat
Look at the first boss in uldir
Look at the tank mechanic
If your slow as shit your going to get knocked back and possibly knocked back into blood pools
ember arrow
Dk can immune knockback
errant ledge
As a warrior you can leap out or intercept someone before the boss can touch you
grim prism
@errant ledge id do the dwarf just for the active racial tbh
ember arrow
U can run out
grim prism
Mad cheesy in pve
ember arrow
Encounters are balanced around it
Dk can run at 130% spees
Speed
If u really need it
Or talent wraith walk
If u want a tank for mobity bring a bear
vagrant cape
Speaking of standing in shit, the second boss in underrot. Is it possible to dodge its indigestion/vomit ability? My GTFO makes a noise when I get hit by it (which implies it's avoidable) but the boss turns to always hit me.
Thinking about it, I've never tried to run away from him, is that the trick?
buoyant veldt
leap away?
vagrant cape
Is that a question or an answer, skilleras?
buoyant veldt
a question, i haven't tried it
vagrant cape
Me neither. My GTFO might just be wrong
grim prism
I also domt think you can dodge it
vagrant cape
Indeed
errant ledge
Any other dark iron dwarfs that can confirm the movement speed racial only works in dungeons? the racial on wow head says it only works in dungeons, in game it says indoors
ember arrow
Magthar orc masterrace
vagrant cape
You misspelled "gnome" pretty horribly
sick sentinel
I saw someone post a pretty sweet target of target/mouseover taunt macro last night before i went to bed, but i didn't get to copy it down, does anyone have that available for copy pasta?
ember arrow
@sick sentinel #showtooltip Taunt
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Taunt; Taunt
This one i use
sick sentinel
Right, i use that one too, but it was some huge chunk of code that let you mouseover taunt, or mouseover heroic throw if taunt was on CD , also it taunted/heroic threw the target of your friendly mouseover
sick sentinel
/cast [@mouseovertarget] [mouseovertargettarget:mouseover] Taunt
/cast [@mouseover] Taunt
/cast [@mouseovertarget] [mouseovertargettarget:mouseover] Heroic Throw
/cast [@mouseover] Heroic Throw
this is it (took quite a bit of scrolling)
ember arrow
Throw is on gcd taunt isbt
open bluff
this seems bis 
open bluff
thatsthejoke.jpg
ember arrow
U never know
open bluff
more importantly
sick sentinel
shrug it sounds like a good idea to me, if my taunt is ever on CD it uses throw, but i might just take the throw out of that macro, i just thought the target of friendly mouseover was a cool addition
open bluff
exactly 👀
sick sentinel
Fury can use them
ember arrow
Same wY u got agility swords
sick sentinel
So can arms
old dagger
hi guys. Is it possible to enchant your shield? The guide in the pins says "weapon". Is the shield considered the weapon too, or just the sword?
smoky wave
Just sword
What's the better potion for mythic, armor stam or health? It's likely a hiding to nothing (if I'm at the point of using one it's likely too late). I'm thinking health?
old dagger
ah thanks
alpine lichen
Hey peeps! Wanted to make a dark iron dwarf tank. I was wondering what heirloom gear i should get? I know it seems like a silly question, but it would be awesome if someone would help me out! 😃
open bluff
More haste the better
alpine lichen
ok ty
sick sentinel
Has anyone done the Mag'Har orc questline yet?
and if so, is there something im missing? Garrosh is just straight wrecking me
sick sentinel
Right, but that doesnt stop the iron stars from coming out, it just delays them
shut summit
and dodge iron stars
sick sentinel
there doesnt seem to be a point where i can dodge them
like they overlap immediately
vocal nimbus
erhm
well
go to one of the two walls
both have a hole where the star spawns and a plain wall
stand on the wall, wait for the spawn, wait for it to pass, move to where it spawned
and done
dawn warren
whats the stat prio atm? leveling my prot warrior atm
frosty wedge
just one piece of DC
delicate lantern
Oh snap. I’ve been using two lol.
frosty wedge
lol
delicate lantern
Thanks mike
frosty wedge
i mean, more clap dmg is legit
steel mauve
its not bad to use 2, since the damage still stacks and is stronger dps but the more important defensive part doesnt stack on DC
frosty wedge
but it only extends DS 2 secs regardless of how many you have and that's what makes it powerful
delicate lantern
Got it now.
frosty wedge
no worries 😃
dawn warren
@delicate lantern No but seriously now :p
I know haste is best but in order please :p
frosty wedge
haste, vers >= mast, crit
delicate lantern
^
steel mauve
also 2 guides written about prot war that explains things in detail
frosty wedge
basically you can't go wrong with vers or mast, crit's not super beneficial
dawn warren
So buying a weapon/shield BOE with vers/mast wouldnt be bad?
frosty wedge
if your'e talking oswains it's BIS unless you can get a titanforged shield from rezan
steel mauve
weapon is less important, but a shield is a must have upgrade
crystal night
14% haste good?
frosty wedge
pretty solid - since that's really 29 with into the fray, lol
dawn warren
@steel mauve so a vers/mast shield 355 would be good? 😛
frosty wedge
yes, lol
chilly brook
sick sentinel
I would take 3 atm
But thats because Im desperate for Haste
But probably 2 for dungeons
steel mauve
i dont like that barnacle isnt on use, the effect says it should have been since you could have gauged a mobs death with it...
glossy bramble
@dawn warren haste, vers>=mast, crit is correct but remember that str/stam/armor from ilvl is also strong and that quantity of stats quickly becomes better than quality
a guy was in here the other day insisting that he should take like a 25 ilvl downgrade to keep using a piece that had haste
ilvl is almost always an upgrade for tanks
steel mauve
the only time you should take an ilvl downgrade is for your first and only DC azerite trait, and thats up to a loss of 25 ilvls for it
our stats are so close together and combo with armor/str/stam, that its almost always an upgrade if its +5 ilvls on armor pieces, idk about jewelry pieces
glossy bramble
^
steel mauve
right now i have a 340 helm i cant use because my 325 helm has DC -.-
glossy bramble
rip
I've been holding onto backup pieces that have DC so I can shuffle around which piece has DC on it if i get an upgrade
so I always have dc + 2x bfi
supple path
Same exact boat Ironkuting, been like that for weeks here.
worn hound
how much hp do u guys have?
steel mauve
either 141k or 144k i cant remember
half merlin
around 152
waxen talon
am i the only one hopin for a huge prot warrior revamp in 8.1?
worn hound
ho ok, i have 153 but was seing some tanks with more, so i tought i was low
exotic tiger
steel mauve
well prot warriors i think have the least amount of hp
so other classes are going to have more
errant thorn
Have got around 156k but I have a 300 ilvl shield xd
worn hound
@waxen talon i kinda like prot at the moment, i just think that ignore pain shouldnt be in gcd
sick sentinel
Does anyone know the block damage reduction formula?
steel mauve
i enjoy where warrior is at right now, and ive gotten used to IP on GCD
waxen talon
IP cappin at like 1cast and being on GCD is probably a big issue for me
if u pull enough mobs u will probably even cap rage 😄
steel mauve
you can still revenge to avoid capping rage and to spend rage for AM
daring cedar
Hi guys!
How good is avoidance? I can choose +5ilvl + a little more mastery / vers over a -5ilvl version with avoidance on it - it makes me "jump" from 2% avoidance to 4%.
It is two different versions of Overseer's Lost Seal
weary notch
it sounds like a ring/trinket, though, which makes it a different decision
daring cedar
So it is very situational and over the course of a fight, those small extra stats may contribute more.
It is a ring
grim prism
@daring cedar youre going to prioritize ilvl > all on pieces that have an armor rating
Oh its a ring, I cant read
Even in that case, the stat budget for secondaries on +5 ilvl is probably still going to be better
daring cedar
Agreed
grim prism
Although the difference will be miniscule either way
daring cedar
Thanks for the review, mate!
grim prism
Glad to help
deft summit
I acutally have some troubles in surviving as a Protwarry ^^ Has anyone some advices ? ^^
tall wadi
use your big buttons wisely
weary notch
use the small ones wisely, too
deft summit
Problem is i kinda have no one :/ and ignore pain, is damn weak ...
no small ones ^^
tbh iam tanking in my DD gear with a shield ^^ but worked kinda every expansion D:
weary notch
that should mostly work fine. The biggest mistake people make is saving CDs. Especially Last Stand. Use Last Stand to cover SB downtime
get an azerite piece with deafening crash
deft summit
hmm kk im gonna give a try with using last stand more often ^^ i just used it in bossfights 😄
topaz ember
Can the emissary 340 boots warforge ?
tall wadi
bossfights should be the least stressful parts of dungeons for you as a tank
most bosses do very little tank dmg
weary notch
that's a huge mistake. You should be running bolster. That's 15 seconds of shield block. On like a 70ish second cooldown. That's huge
deft summit
ohh alright i go boralus now and try to use Rallying and Last stand more in the trahspacks
thanks for ypur help guys :3
weary notch
sure thing
mellow basin
should I sell this Oswain's shield for 220k, someone just told me its bis for prot warrior
it's the 350 vesion
weary notch
only BiS until Tuesday
ember arrow
xd
mellow basin
thats why i wanna get rid of it quick
shy knot
hi all, what sort of things should i set up weak auras for?
hidden axle
an ip wa and shield block wa
ember arrow
technically nothing
hidden axle
anything else is personal preference
ember arrow
but WA are personal preference, depending of what u wanna track
distant sleet
Shiel block is sometimes usefull i guess
until you played so much that you kinda just know the uptime
ember arrow
@topaz ember yes
woven pasture
blockaid or a 350 loa?
astral crystal
🙅🏾♀️
frosty wedge
if you have the gold to blow and can't get the one from rezan
steel mauve
i track basically all my cd's, the buff themselves, the cd left on them and a weakaura telling me the cd is up again, minus small things like shield block, i just use the discord weakaura for IP and block/bolster
vagrant arrow
rezan didnt like me
junior ivy
do we know what war fronts are yet
ember arrow
we knew what they were months ago
junior ivy
what are they then
astral crystal
they're instanced pve that somewhat resembles pvp
you gather resources, upgrade buildings and take points
jade socket
astral crystal
until you push into the enemy base and kill their commander
there's a weekly quest that will give you a 370 piece
if they didnt change that from beta anyway
astral crystal
they're different because there's a final objective that isnt just gathering resources, much more obejctives on the map, and it's large group content
i dont remember if it's 30 man or whatever
but it's LFG, so you dont have to make your own group
junior ivy
okay cool
native coyote
so 20 man kinda-pvp with objectives disguised as pve?
stiff orbit
No fighting opposing faction players iirc
vagrant arrow
whats is this you are in combat shitty bug
i m not in combat like 5 minutes and still saying i am
any1 know how to solve this?
ember arrow
hearthstone
vagrant arrow
lol know that