Not on AH it seems. Thanks tho
#protection
daring cedar
past ledge
Hey guys
I need ur opinion on my warr stats and what to improve before going into raids
past ledge
im at 343 IL with 153k HP, Haste at 15.1% Str at 4261 Vert 5.51% armor at 6623 mastery at 26.8%
uneven mason
No one has adjusted our simC strings
for BFA, which is why
that being said, prot is doing amazing (you can't sim defensively anyway tbh, outside of EHP)
As long as you're following the Icyveins guide you'll do wonderful
especially cover the "Mistakes" section a few times
uneven mason
since protection while very strong - is harder to play optimally than other tanks.
You're probably making some erros
I feel like a bulldozer in mythic dungeons, have since I got over the 310 ilvl hump
at first it was touch and go but once you get a bit of gear under your belt warriors are like a wall made out of bricks made out of steel covered in titanium
paper apex
TBH I'm full 340's except my shield (bad drops, still using the god damn 300 blacksmith shield) and I'm not feeling threatened by anything. Our other tank is brewmaster, we're pretty comparable in mythics
uneven mason
^^
paper apex
But yeah buy darkmoon deck, you can feel the difference having it on for sure
uneven mason
I can do bigger dick pulls than my guilds Protadins or BrM
summer cedar
but you cant really do full uptime ignore pain
you had to choose at packs
between revenge
uneven mason
Don't have time for Revenge
summer cedar
aggro?
final mist
You don't need to Ignore Pain when there mobs are dead
summer cedar
when our dhs doing 50k aoe
uneven mason
^^^
warped ridge
Mark targets, slam, tab target, hit things.
final mist
Spam TC and call it a day
summer cedar
clap is not enough
final mist
Only 50k DPS?
paper apex
yeah i'm not worried about keeping ignore pain up in anything but sethralis tbh. I'm pulling like 16k on fat pulls and just having darkmoon on with shield block i never feel threatened
final mist
If you aren't beating that, you're doing it wrong
uneven mason
Protection warriors properly played are nearly impossible ot beat in AE DPS
paper apex
i mean i pop it when i need it but it's not make or break
final mist
We don't take much damage either, playing well
summer cedar
with avatar aggro is ok
final mist
Partially because we're walls, partially because everything is dead
summer cedar
but without it im strugglng
uneven mason
Avatar should be up pretty much every pull
final mist
Then spend more GCDs on DPS
uneven mason
are you following the guide?
paper apex
yeah encounters are so short that it's like...
paper apex
^
ride shield block, if something terrible is happening and you're out of charges, you get 15 seconds free with LS
final mist
We don't have any reactive tools either, so if you're getting trucked by shit and then hitting abilities like Last Stand or Shield Wall, well
There's part of your issue
summer cedar
im not using any cd btw
gentle rain
Last stand is great too short CD
summer cedar
trying to use ip and block
paper apex
yeah you should use cd's lol
final mist
Our CDs are so low with AM that you never need to save them
uneven mason
@past ledge sorry got distracted, those stats look just fine, Warriors don't really care about "stat balanace" (prioritize haste all other things equal) Just as long as your wearing the highest item level pieces in "armor slots" have one defaning crash trait (its worth 25+ item levels so you can downgrade that slot for it)
paper apex
exactly
wide juniper
Fang 😦 PepeHands
uneven mason
Last Stand (with bolster) and Shield wall are just excuses to add more mobs to the next pull.
gentle rain
Wish devastator was better I miss it so much
paper apex
Demo Shout is hot fire now too, so basically you can pop that on CD
uneven mason
Yeah, DS will be up on pull and sometimes a 2nd time during the pull
although, with DC your first DS should sitll be up
on the mobs
paper apex
if you're having trouble holding threat on 3+ mobs, you're probably not riding DS enough
uneven mason
That being said
if you fuck up as a prot warrior
you're going to get trucked
really fast
final mist
Yes but it's really not that hard to not fuck up
chrome harbor
havent we always kinda been like that?
uneven mason
Well, I'd say that outside of a few spots in ABT
paper apex
Even if you fuck it up, if you have a healer who knows anything, you should still be fine because they shouldn't be doing much to you while you're not wasting gcd's
uneven mason
we were nearly impossible to screw up
because we had so much rage
and we could stack IP through the sky
that the only fuckup you could make was "not pressing buttons"
chrome harbor
you overestimate people's ability to hit basic functions
paper apex
If you're in mythics or raiding, basic functions are baseline
final mist
I'm not underestimating, I'm well aware that the vast majority of people who play this game are utter shite
gentle rain
Who else thinkgs Gnomes are the best tanks in bfa?
final mist
But it's really, really not hard to fuck up
Best race is Nightborne
With Mag'har in a close second
gentle rain
lies
warped ridge
It's definitely a lot more complex than it was way back in like BC/Wrath. It took me a solid week of mythics to get a real feel for the current iteration.
uneven mason
Blood Elf still - being able to dispell stacks off of mobs yourself +++
warped ridge
A week isn't exactly much though
final mist
Uhm, hello? Have you not seen their heritage armor?
paper apex
Wow not dark iron? I'm blown away...
uneven mason
No Sal, I slutmog like I'm a paladin
uneven mason
can Confirm, alliance are evil
paper apex
Lean into it. Embrace your hatred. Helps with rage gen
final mist
There'd better be weebs here to get that reference, I've been saving it 😬
calm cove
😬
cosmic cargo
silly weebs
open bluff
alliance are evil
horde burns teldrassil
horde plagues undercity killing their own horde forces
horde plagues undercity killing their own forces
final mist
But yeah, anyways
@summer cedar log a few M+ for me and then we can go through them and see exactly what you're doing wrong
uneven mason
🤦
final mist
It helps a lot more
cosmic cargo
though i'd say it's hard to beat BE for m+
final mist
Also in my defense, that was all Sylvanas
cosmic cargo
other racials have mostly small throughput advantages
summer cedar
@final mist ok i will thanks
cosmic cargo
BE is huge utility wise
final mist
And I've been a #NotMyWarchief since day one
uneven mason
the amount of tank centric CC effect WOTF and EMFH are very strong too
cosmic cargo
actually not all small throughput advantages LFD on aoe is silly
uneven mason
there are dungeons that you're going to wipe due to the tank being CC'd
final mist
Some of the racials are real nutty but they don't actually matter
uneven mason
all in all its a wash
final mist
The only thing that matters is that sweet heritage armor
uneven mason
Maghar
uneven mason
BE is about as impactful as not having a mage or a shaman in your party?
final mist
Most tank CCs are shit you stand in or shit you let get cast
cosmic cargo
shammies might as well not exist
paper apex
You joking? Every man is prime for when the priest yanks you into that stun...
final mist
They're 100% not requiring a BE
cosmic cargo
for m+ pushing
final mist
Most people aren't pushers though
cosmic cargo
true
but for someone that is BE isn't like a 1% difference, it's quite considerable on some dungeons
final mist
I'm well aware of how good BE racials are, and how they were, and I still swapped to NB day one
uneven mason
Anyone know what the TF cap is being raised to next week?
final mist
And I was a BE since Cata
cosmic cargo
having a priest can make it not so much but yeah
uneven mason
is it 370 or 385?
cosmic cargo
i'm NE anyway cause alli
warped ridge
I've heard 370 TF cap next week, but don't quote me
final mist
I believe it's 385
@undone sun had a little image cheat sheet
That might be the week after actually
Don't quote me on that
cosmic cargo
i'd bet it's just regular cap
on hc week the TF cap has been the same as when mythic opens before
maybe was different in EN and i don't remember
merry cave
uneven mason
That just shows you M+ item levels
merry cave
That one?
uneven mason
not wqhat the TF cap is
but i mean it doesn't matter I think because a +10 will net you a 385 from the next week
but I think the TF cap is placed at 370 or 385 (rather than 405 or whatever it ends up being for mythic)
cosmic cargo
m+ is capped (base reward) at 355, but i think TF cap isn't changed
but it's fine US will beta test it on tuesday
and get that info
merry cave
Isn't it capped at +5 for weekly chest next week
uneven mason
I guess I'll findout on my first +7 if the item level goes up past 355
merry cave
Wah wah mythic raid etc etc
uneven mason
but yeah I remember it was something goofy
they didn't want folks walking in with full heroic item level stuff
gating progress...so silly
warming up the dice for a 385 Sea-Brawlers
junior igloo
The baseline item level is capped at 355 next week (so m+5 is the same as any higher for end of dungeon rewards). The TF cap is presumably 400 for the first tier
frosty wedge
I have a feeling prot DPS is going to get the nerf bat in the tuning wave
uneven mason
Probably not
we're fairly low single target
once we're outside of avatar we're not that amazing
uneven mason
our average DPS is proper for a tank
we just have heavy pburst
right but they don't generally look at burst
I mean they could
they could nerf UF By 50%
but lower the CD on avatar
giving us lower burst but higher consistent
avatar 45s CD, 10% damage increase, 50% On UF we'd never be out of avatar.
but we wouldn't be doing triple the damage of a DPS
sick sentinel
best aoe damage and one of the highest ST damage as tank but i think prot pally can do higher ST at least thats what im told
sick sentinel
hmmm i dont know in 2min long fights i can hold 6k damage nearly
vocal nimbus
Warrs ST is dogshit
sick sentinel
well since im the tank havent seen many other tank specs maybe you are right
mellow hornet
having played both a DH and a prot warrior, vengeance is most definitely higher ST than prot in my experience, though i seem to be about similar in aoe on them, could just be i'm more used to vengeance
merry cave
I find my st in veng and prot pretty similar (prot wep is better) but my aoe in prot shits on veng
Our unholy dk and aff lock just don't aoe low hp packs because me and the havok destroy it so fast 😂
And I'm not sure they'll nerf prot aoe, the class isn't exactly crazy popular and I can imagine a few more jumping ship if our damage blows
next goblet
gore crusted butcher block any good for us?
340 ilvl, trinket it would replace is a 310
haste
plunderbeard flask
or it could replace my 325 big red button lol
final mist
Warrior's ST is decent
balmy narwhal
Should i hit shield block after I have used DS? In terms of survivability i mean
Or should i wait till DS falls off and then use my SB
Cuz I feel 20% damage reduction is still good, and having shield block up when DS is on CD would mean more uptime for DR
thorn hound
Theres a 350 trinket that has 250ish strength and has a mastery buff for 9 seconds and extends for each 10 range you spend....isn't this better then some of the other trinkets claimed to be BIS
junior igloo
Almanac's not bad.
What trinkets are claimed to be BiS?
final mist
None of the trinkets are claimed to be BiS.
final mist
Jes' and Rezan's are the best trinkets we have access to (comparing everything at an equal ilevel), but that's it.
That's not really even BiS, that's "head are better than the rest but this doesn't take into account ilevel titanforges".
junior igloo
Whether or not you want to stack cooldowns depends on the situation.
On short fights or tank-swap fights, you can overlap Shield Block with Demo Shout, then let both cool down while not tanking.
On a consistent damage fight, you want to spread them out to cover more time with something
balmy narwhal
@frosty wedge I understand, but i thought given the long recharge time for SB , If I tried to keep it up at all times I would be left without any DR
But I see your point
final mist
There will be times you will be left without SB, but that's not really going to happen for long, or often.
frosty wedge
I mean, there's less than 3 seconds per recharge where you won't have SB,
final mist
It's really only a concern on fights where you tank 100% of the time for long.
And even if you don't have something, you shouldn't instantly fall over.
balmy narwhal
I see
frosty wedge
exactly, plus DS uptime is crazy with DC
balmy narwhal
Yeah true
junior igloo
Shield Block up-time is around 40 % (depends on haste).
So there is a lot of downtime on consistent fights, you want to use cooldowns (Demo Shout, Bolster, Shield Wall, externals) in between
final mist
DS will be down for like 10-15 seconds before it's back off CD.
Assuming you have a D.C.
Which you should.
balmy narwhal
If I havr shield block available then thay means i should use DS at the same time then?
Or should i save it for after
final mist
You shouldn't really bother with saving CDs. If you're using the build that is talked about in the guide, then you should be using your CDs on cooldown (or nearly so) to get the maximum benefit, since the cooldowns are extremely low thanks to Anger Management.
You never really want to make sure one or the other isn't up / is up when the other is - blocking will reduce a lot more damage than taking a melee to the face with DS up will, and having both up is even better. The only CD you never, ever use with SB is Last Stand, since you have 15 seconds of free Shield Block during it.
warped ridge
Just so I know my terms right: DC = deafening crash, the thunderclap = DS azerite trait, right?
warped ridge
👍
final mist
It's a massive uptime increase on DS.
If you really don't have any CDs / externals and SB is down, that's completely fine - one or two melees to the face won't kill you. A healer should be able to handle that.
next goblet
sucks i cant get rid of this 310 trinket
native monolith
@final mist If just press DS and SB when they are up, there will be moments when I wont have any CD, dont? That will create a instability on my CD, which will generate confidency on the healer, then BOOM, none CD, high dmg taken
final mist
W-what?
next goblet
plunderbeard flask is just too good for me right meow
native monolith
We are able to, even 100% Uptime taking, to keep at least Blocking (From SB or LS) or DS up, I personally dont se a reason to just press both and get 2 ~ 3 secs without ANY
fierce juniper
You still want to use them intelligently. You're not literally just pressing them on coolodown.
If you do have 100% tanking uptime on something for whatever reason, and if it's actually dangerous, then yeah it's probably gonna be worth delaying DS by a few seconds to cover more shield block downtime in that situation.
But that never really happens
Most of the time you can use them "on cooldown" and it'll work out fine.
Particularly because you want the damage benefit out of DS/BV.
final mist
A single melee or two isn't threatening, is the point.
The only time you want to save CDs is for specifical mechanics where you need them, EX. Fel Claws on KJ or Argus' Scythes, shit like that.
Like Marok said, basically using them on CD is fine.
strong hill
@next goblet I’ll trade you that 310 trinket for my 296 shield
native monolith
The only moment I hit SB when my DS is UP, is when I do have 2stacks of SB. I only delay DS when my SB has 3+ seconds
next goblet
@strong hill well i only have an ilvl 300 shield so im not taking a big loss here
native monolith
and LS when nothing else is avaible
strong hill
I think I’m going to be stuck with the shield until the raid is open
native monolith
I personally dont use SB, even its avaiable if my DS is up. How wrong is that?
strong hill
I’m holding out until Monday , still have a mythic to run for s shield and of course heroics.
fierce juniper
@native monolith
I mean, as long as you're not capping on SBlock charges that's not "bad".
But Shield Block uptime is high enough, particularly with bolster, and especially if you have a DC trait, that most of the time you'll need to use SBlock during DS.
*to not cap on charges
But I mean you shouldn't really look at it that way.
If you're against blockable damage you should be using SB
native monolith
My priority list on CDs are:
SB: Use if 2 stacks, or if DS is down
DS: On CD, only delayd if SB > 3Sec
LS: When Nothing else is avaiable
IP: Rage > 70 or IP about to Expire
visual plume
Quick question, what are our BiS dps traits for single target and AoE for ring 1?
native monolith
Hmmmm, I will try to use SB more often then, when some packs hit harder and DS+SB looks necessary
fierce juniper
You really shouldn't be setting hard rules for yourself like that
You need to react to the situation you're in and use abilities accordingly
pallid solar
if you don't need SB on a pack, you should pull more
frosty wedge
^
native monolith
@fierce juniper Yeah, I kinda know, but I'm a bit traumatized bcs of some stupids deaths I had in the past by getting without any CD for smalls gaps of time
sick sentinel
What Marok said. Just be proactive w/ your CDs and tanking, while not wasting LS over SB.
fair elm
Not trying to beat a dead horse but I've been a Warrior main for awhile. I'm a PvP player gone PvE -- trying to get my raid lyfe on. Was going to be tanking for my guild but prot Warrior is feeling kinda weak to me. Not sure if it's just me being terrible at it -- or if it's actually weak. Any thoughts from the peeps here?
native monolith
Especially on M+, you are there, tanking some hight keys, CDs up, holding, then when u get into a 2~3 sacs gap without any CD, u take some seriously dmg and die =/
pallid solar
@fair elm my experience as a returning prot warrior - when you play it right, it's a very rewarding spec, but I do feel like it's a lot more punishing than other tank specs at the moment.
I wouldn't classify it as weak
fair elm
Fair
frosty wedge
it's definitely a more challenging class, but it's not weaker by any stretch if played properly
fair elm
Just a higher skill ceiling for possibly the same payoff?
fossil sparrow
feels like arse contributes to it feeling shit
sick sentinel
Definitely not weak.
fair elm
lol
frosty wedge
I feel like if played really well, between dmg output, mitigation, and mobility we're probably one of the strongest tanks
sick sentinel
Just a matter of knowing kit and personal skill with the class and as a tank.
strong hill
@fair elm first few heroics I felt like I was going to die , some pills I felt like I was scrambling. Others I never saw my health budge. Once I started getting some better gear things smoothed out.
sick sentinel
And not being lazy/wasteful of your abilities. Knowing how to maximize and cycle them.
fair elm
So. One other thing I've been grappling with. Since I'm PvP turned PvE -- Warrior is my bae for Arena / Open world. I love just Arms face-rolling Horde atm. I really didn't want all my Azerite gear to be slanted towards Prot spec for the guild. I would almost rather rush Blood DK (or whatever other tank) to cap, have that be dedicated tank bro, and free up my Warrior to be the truth that is Arms.
fierce juniper
@fair elm Yeah, as others said, definitely a more unforgiving tank spec. And it also takes some getting used to as well, particularly when it comes to managing CDs and such. But it's strong when played well
fair elm
Word.
Well that's good feedback to hear. Not sure if I'll stick with it or not. Kind of looking at what mitigates magic dmg the most, since most of that was taken out in BFA.
frosty wedge
I have been having a TON of fun - it's more challenging, and way less boring than my guardian
uneven mason
JediSange right now warriors have the strongest magic mitigation (on a short CD) we can push ~70% Damage reduction on tankbuster magic every 25s
Higher if need be
sick sentinel
Same. Both as prot pve/pvp and arms pvp. Since the stat prios support one another. Been blasting the mythics with ease, and demolishing wpvp/BGs.
Eagerly looking forward to launch up mythic+ with my group.
restive slate
I'm just about to try tanking and have always used BigWigs for dps. Is it good for tanking or do i have to use DBM?
frosty wedge
they both do pretty much the same thing - just read up on the fights and know what abilities do
fair elm
@uneven mason what ability do you mean?
sick sentinel
And move away from bad graphics/animations.
frosty wedge
Oh man - I have an armor piece that has the like, azerite well underneath you
scared the shit out of me
final mist
Spell Reflect + Ignore Pain @fair elm
fair elm
Oh -- I see. Adding them together.
frosty wedge
who thought it was a good idea to give tanks a thing that pops up under them that they need to stay in?
fair elm
The IP mitigation is kind of... fuzzy though
sick sentinel
Gets easier with haste.
fair elm
Because it's only 50% up to a certain maximum
So it's not like a flat 70% reduction lol
sick sentinel
And fatter as ilvl goes up.
fierce juniper
Uhh, yeah. SR + IP does not equal ~70% mitigation. That doesn't make sense.
sick sentinel
It's still on demand and pretty reliable. Can also demo shout with it anyway.
Magic shouldn't be an issue tanking. Lol
fair elm
Yeah, presumably they are multiplicative to begin with, and then also IP is a fluid amount of mitigation
uneven mason
So JediSange for predictable tank buster magic you stack DS+ SR/IP
fair elm
Yeah
final mist
SR reduces the damage and then you absorb it with IP.
fair elm
I feel you -- we have a lot of tools.
final mist
It's nowhere near 70% DR though.
uneven mason
IP isn't fluid its 50%, but will possibly not be able to do the full 50% (of the remaining damage after mitigations)
final mist
CDs do not stack additively.
uneven mason
hence ~
final mist
It is true that we have a lot of tools, though.
uneven mason
I mean, if it hits the full 50% its 68% reduction
when you stack DS and SR
with IP
chances of IP being that big though, mebbie, mebbie not
fierce juniper
No absorbs apply after DR so I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.
The 50% from IP isn't multiplicative with other DR
uneven mason
post mitigation value*0.5
just depends if the post mitigation value is bigger than your IP absorb
so thats the variation
fierce juniper
right
uneven mason
if its more than twice the amount, the total reduction will be less
In the situation though that we're looking at a unavoidable tank buster that is dealing upwards of half our HP pool, we're going to use shieldwall anyway.
or calling for an external (all tanks would)
fair elm
What are the thoughts here on Devastator + Heavy Repercussions? For talents. That's currently what I take but it seems like that's not meta
uneven mason
final mist
That is most certainly not meta.
uneven mason
Icy Veins guide, because correctly, they are not meta.
final mist
Booming Voice + Anger Management.
uneven mason
The green named guy there wrote the IV guide, its legit
fair elm
Right. I more mean -- why not those two? I haven't found a good explanation (even in the pins or on icy veins)
uneven mason
Because it leads to more damage taken overall (and less damage done)
pallid solar
The Icy Veins explanation is pretty clear tbh, not sure what we can add to that
uneven mason
So, Anger Management is incredibly synergistic with all of our meta talents, Devastator produces less rage overall than Booming Voice (but is more ST DPS), Heavy Repercussions leads to less mitigation uptime than Anger Management (less DPS due to AM synergizing with Booming Voice)
dusk locust
it sounds like devastator is correct unless you need the survivability then on ST boss fights
fierce juniper
BV is strictly more overall rage compared to Devastator. Pretty much double actually.
AM provides way more cooldown usage, and SBlock/Block uptime, with Bolster, is actually very close to HR's overall uptime. So you're getting very similar Sblock uptime compared to HR, plus all the other benefits AM provides.
uneven mason
AM works with ITF (Haste for rage gen, lower GCD) Unleashed Fury (AM shortens Avatar CD which in turn produces rage to spend to cycle through AM) BV is on DS, which has its CD reduces insanely fast by AM
fair elm
I see the break down now on Icy Veins
I just didn't go to the correct page of the build -- mb!
uneven mason
Bolster an already strong talent, is multiplicatively made stronger by AM, due to it already reducing 33% of a CD, AM now gives you that very strong CD about every minute (of active combat)
as on avg AM will reduce the CD of an ability by 40 -50%
sick sentinel
Really would love to sim prot alrdy
uneven mason
Sims is 4 DPS
sick sentinel
Seeing the 9.2k dps Prot Paladin makes me sad
sick sentinel
Not with our dungeon build
uneven mason
"dungeon build"
round vortex
Get on it 😃
uneven mason
0_o
round vortex
first 2 can change
uneven mason
they don't really
sick sentinel
Devastator for ST maximizing dps/Azerite traits are 3x Thunderous Blast or such like
uneven mason
I mean yeah tier 30
is freegrab
situational
as is 75
But I mean, if you're really hard up about ST DPS
You could do that I suppose
round vortex
well. Punish has a niche use. I use impending victory on world content. And some people like any of the row 2 talents for dungeons
uneven mason
lost me
sick sentinel
I don't, but would love to sim it
uneven mason
at "Impending Victory"
sick sentinel
Ehh IV
uneven mason
I just grab trash nearby and self sustain on VR
sick sentinel
We can facetank the 1.4m hp mobs without losing HP
ITTF forever.
With the proper Azerite traits
Same @uneven mason
uneven mason
TFW Thunderclap 2 shots trash mobs in the world.
round vortex
well u can see im currently not specced into it. I was jsut saying - it has a use
uneven mason
Yeah, I think azerite veins will go a long way for a soloing set
winged elm
What's the thoughts on the Spore Pod Trinket after some weeks of use?
winged elm
AV is super strong yeah but I'm using Deafening with two Brace traits.
round vortex
Spore trinket is anus
its super super low % of ur damage and healing. It needs a huge buff
winged elm
I was pretty disappointed when I realized how little it healed
round vortex
like 300% to be useful
winged elm
the trinket that is, not AV
round vortex
Tell you what i am loving - the big red button haha
winged elm
Yeah?
winged elm
20k split still seems like ass
round vortex
Awesome for general play - instead of ur blockades trinket
single target man
owns
uneven mason
its also
winged elm
Would rather use Fathoms
uneven mason
a good aggro grab
winged elm
for single
uneven mason
on use aggro grab
round vortex
PVP it can crit for like - 55k
uneven mason
for when your hunter goes full huntard
round vortex
yeah i dont have fathoms - i NEVER dps so not buying it. lol
sick sentinel
You realise it splits on all mobs?
winged elm
He said for single
sick sentinel
So our normal pull atm it's like 3k each
round vortex
yeah i do. I am saying it fucken rapes ST.
sick sentinel
overread mea culpa
round vortex
avatar and dmeon shout going if u crit you can take someone down to like 10-20%
winged elm
Kinda over kill because let's be honest, Avatar Demo shout thunder clap spam is op
uneven mason
work with % Buffs
winged elm
😛
uneven mason
bruvh
round vortex
yeah man but trust me - when you see that fat crit you'll fall in love with it
winged elm
Hardly anyone can touch a prot war in large pack AoE with Avatar/Demo Shout window
round vortex
My other trinket to use instead of blackades is a crit proc trinket...
chilly brook
Infinite demo Shout debuff
winged elm
well 20seconds at least lol
Are we still feeling like the armor enchant is better than the haste one for weapons
winged elm
@fierce juniper did you discontinue your blog site?
fierce juniper
uneven mason
.gg
round vortex
good point lol
winged elm
Oh did you just update it? I remember there was one with a few blogs on it in legion
sick sentinel
Just tested it.
round vortex
Did you jsut ditch that project and go icyveins and wowhead instead?
sick sentinel
Went from 51.6% to 53.8$ dmg reduction
fierce juniper
No, just haven't had the time to write stuff for it.
sick sentinel
Gonna drop it now x_X
chilly brook
I mean I don’t feel like I’m all that squish the armor enchant is so minimal tbh I’d rather have the haste, imo the haste is more reliable to translating into survivability and damage
round vortex
Fair call. Is it possible to jsut dump the IV stuff on there?
chilly brook
Plus both of the enchants aren’t going to be 100% up when you need them and chances are the haste enchant is going to be more useful whenever it’s up
Because when isn’t haste useful
fierce juniper
@round vortex Yeah I'm gonna link to it on the site
round vortex
Sweet dude - I know you're getting traction around the place. But having it on your own site is baller dude
uneven mason
Having your own site isn't hard, getting folks to go to your site is the tough part 😉
round vortex
Not talking about being hard or easy - saying its awesome. The two of the three biggest websites in wow reference material now directly reference his work
regal island
eh instead of pins you just link to the site
regal island
like the lockonestopshop.com has quite a bit of traction
shadowpanther was THE rogue site back in the day
round vortex
Guys i linked something last week and feel like doing it again
while its total poggers
winged elm
I'm trying to remember who did that really comprehensive google doc for trinkets last expansion per tank. Is it the same on as the dreamgrove one? I didn't think so because it's not the same format or nearly as thorough
chilly brook
Yea but what’s your ilvl? :kappa
regal island
lol i'm starting to believe shields just dont drop in Mythic.
round vortex
342 lol
shut summit
Same @winged elm
round vortex
still got Blue weapons 😦 2 shield but haha
uneven mason
drop rate on shields this Xpac has been idiotic
its almost like they want that damn BoE world drop to sell
regal island
345 weapons but only a 330 socket shield
round vortex
ill make you mad... first mythic - first week. 303 ilvl. Motherlode boss dropped mine.
regal island
yeah tempted to get the boe but don't wana blow 150k on it.
round vortex
defs pogging it hard
regal island
did pick up a 355 eye of rezan though
chilly brook
Noice
Like the one piece of gear my character seems to have an allergy to titanforges
Trinkets
regal island
lol poor fang.. you just got it Griff
round vortex
nah i have blackades trinket as well 355 ready for raid next week
round vortex
Blockades *
regal island
Once i replace my 325 rare ring with a 340 i'll be overall 344 though so thats a perk
chilly brook
Arms with fang, Warbreaker and BS was broken lol
I mean I’d still use it in prot but apparently the channel cancels if you get hit now
regal island
but yeah arms is still pretty strong. Mines simming 11.2k (more if i sim with the 40 haste gems which i'm pretty sure don't actually exist)
I actually kinda like the engineering googles for prot
i power leveled my engineering and was like eh why not.
the shock capasitor 5% DR and dmg is actually pretty solid
and the remove bleed is soo nice in kings rest
willow wraith
sorry if its been asked, how bad was the fang trinket nerf?
dull pilot
chilly brook
I’m just looking forward to doing raiding and M+ as prot
regal island
yeah the bleed removal/heal procs a lot
chilly brook
Plus the absorb kinda works against our IP
restive slate
is there anywhere to buy a beginning weapon and shield? I've been Arms this expac, and now my guild needs me to tank and i have no shield or one-hander 😫
regal island
and the main shock capacitor is bugged i think because if it procs on an aoe it (aka cleave) it debuffs all the mobs and they shock eachother
winged elm
Found it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I-mZzYd6LgLmDbp7a3Qzvfsmh59U1IR_dhlpUyRk9cU/preview
It's written by the current trinket list author on Dreamgrove. I guess they just haven't made as much of a comprehensive one yet.
smoky wave
@restive slate there's ilvl300 ones from blacksmithing
restive slate
cool, i've been needing to level that up anyway. thanks
sick sentinel
Thinking of replacing my blockades with fathoms.
winged elm
@chilly brook I was talking above about there being a more comprehensive trinket write up, like the Legion one and was trying to find it.
sick sentinel
More kill all kill.
regal island
yeah u can pick up 310's weap/shield for like 5kish on the ah
winged elm
Realized it was the same author as the current one.
regal island
my server anyways
chilly brook
Yea but if it’s outdated that badly then what’s the point of linking it
Unless someone is offering to update or create one
winged elm
Was trying to find out who the author was
Someone replied to me and said they couldn't find it either.
smoky wave
Bs saved my backside a little. Scrapped my 325 shield. Now back to a 310 😕
winged elm
@smoky wave you can item restore it
dusk locust
do we know what the affixes are going to be next week
winged elm
Infested and something
dusk locust
heh well infested at 10 yeah i imagine
winged elm
Is it just 10+? I thought it was the first affix
dusk locust
my understanding is it starts at 10
cosmic cargo
the trinket writeup was the general one? if yes macro does that
winged elm
it's a "seasonal" affix
smoky wave
@juggs let's just say this isn't the first time I've done this, so I can't.
dusk locust
it's tyrannical/fortified that starts at 2
dusk locust
well whatever they are, i'm curious which we'll be doing 😛
winged elm
#nogearswapping
frosty wedge
yeah the no gear swapping is just weird.
like, different fights call for different gear sometimes.
uneven mason
I mean, now that we don't have legos, that is a much smaller bridge
winged elm
I guess it's nice to not have to farm honorbound WQ anymore after being exaulted
no paragons so
no point
rough jasper
Quick question: Is Brace for Impact considered over Iron Fortress because of the higher damage increase althuogh the block increase is lower (Same itemlevel)
winged elm
Well yeah I mean obv those but like the gold rewards and what not
@rough jasper I consistantly have two stacks of Brace up at most times and it gives me 880 block rating
viral jackal
any professions that make sense for prot war or should i just try to make money?
winged elm
@rough jasper I also have two Brace traits
uneven mason
with itself
rough jasper
So the blocked value really stacks up. In my client it only reads as if the duration can have multiple stacks
Thanks for clarification
uneven mason
So Brace for impact buff "overlaps"
meaning you can have 2x traits x2
or x3 if you're blessed by RNGesus
rough jasper
Nah, that guy never visits...
winged elm
yeah I only have 3 stacks rarely but up very shortly
winged elm
it's mostly 2 stacks
uneven mason
so while the base is higher, thats all you get.
winged elm
at 880 block rating
rough jasper
Thanks a lot. Was not even lucky enough to get a 340 piece with that trait by now.
sick sentinel
Going fat dick deeps.
winged elm
it also increases SS damage by 1084 at 2 stacks
I'm seeing 14-16k SS crits typically
Shield slam*
chilly brook
@winged elm I mean every WQ you don’t do you lose out on 10 rep for champions and that adds up
regal island
Yeah bummer they put a week cap on the contracts
i've had mine on since day 1 at lvl 120
winged elm
@chilly brook ahhhh true! I forgot about the contract
sick sentinel
Same.
winged elm
@regal island Cap on it?
sick sentinel
I'm 7k+/21k so I wont miss it much.
winged elm
Uhhh are we grandfathered in if we had it up before the change
regal island
i need to start farming my WQ more lvl17 neck feels bad
winged elm
Mine doesn't show an expiration
regal island
idk was in the hotfix list
8/30
Inscription
Contracts now correctly have a 7-day duration.
errant wing
when you hit 20% base haste without ITF 😃
humble schooner
@regal island I've been focusing on other things lately, only half way through 16 myself.
errant wing
its realy makes warrior nice to play and dungeon with
when dps cry coz my booty clap destroys the meter
regal island
yeah i'm like 11c/12h/dont remember my mastery/11 v
sick sentinel
Using vers atm.
regal island
yeah i havent enchanted anything yet
regal island
The only dps that seem to keep up with me dps wise are usually bm hunters.
errant wing
dh can keep up to
uneven mason
Frost Mages WW monks and Arms warriors in my guild are getting close to me on AE Packs
regal island
as arms i generally beat the tanks
Griff was keeping up with me the other day though. Was like 12k.4 vs 12k.3
dull pilot
magic
uneven mason
mastery is very far from meh
strong hill
29% mastery. 30% haste fully buffed
uneven mason
I'd link the character, but I'm all embarassed because I've put more time into my Alliance main than my horde main this Xpac
TFW your soon to be Mag'har warrior is sitting at 327 ilvl with a 300 shield and trinkets
My alliance guild has been far more accepting of a Prot warrior
chilly brook
According to armory, 346 ilvl
void quail
at ilvl 340
chilly brook
I may have been lucky on my TF’s but not my secondary stats
uneven mason
ilvl is all that matters
regal island
I mean 1% mastery is what 1.5% crit block? If you block say 30% dmg on average so a crit block would be another 1.5% * 30% for like 0.45% DR on physical blockable damage only. I'd take vers any day.
chilly brook
Well on the bright side of that at least I block more outside of SB and I also have higher AP which means higher IP
uneven mason
Helbrute - Mastery provides block chance for the gaps in our AM
its not JUST critical block
regal island
yeah but it's the same really
regal island
Vers just applies to all damage
void quail
So we are looking at Haste/Verse over Haste/Mastery?
prisma crane
if you're looking at crit block dr, teh DR of a crit block vs a regular block is more than 30%
uneven mason
vers leads because its vs all damage
and is more reliable
but is a smaller % overall
If its one thing, warriors lean toward predictable proactive mitigation
regal island
Ok so if you get a block when you normally wouldn't it's the same 1.5% chance * 30 for 0.45% DR with 1.5% chance of crit blocking on top of that for 0.457% DR
and it's RNG, honestly there's no comparison to vers.
regal island
yeah 12% vers here, hightotem ftw
prisma crane
except you're only looking at crit blocks outside of SB windows, when your odds of a crit block is higher
chilly brook
Shouldn’t the odds actually be better in SB?
regal island
Nah it's about the same with SB is UP and when SB is down Krotos
prisma crane
also, if base is 30%, you gain an addtional effective 42.8% dr from a crit block
regal island
like 0.007% better when SB is down for mastery
0.45% DR with a 1.5% chance of crit blocking from the same 1% mastery for 0.457% DR average
i mean it scales up the more mastery you have but doesn't overtake vers
prisma crane
mastery still affects your IP as well
regal island
as does vers
prisma crane
yes, but by a lesser amount no?
i mean im all for vers, it's great and works on our biggest weakness, magic dmg
but they're considered = for a reason
roughly = *
chilly brook
I mean we’re still thankfully ahead of pretty much every other tank for magic except blood DK
unreal pewter
Ya but everyone is behind blood dk
chilly brook
Still rather be #2 than anywhere else 😜
uneven mason
Depends how much damage the magic hit is going todo
since we're % based reduction and BDK is a set absorb
chilly brook
Plus a magic reduction every 25 seconds
regal island
I think M+ is the reason they changed the block design anyways to a block value. It had basically no impact in raids beyond overgearing a raid which didn't matter anyways. But m+ if you get a ton of block rating mobs definitely don't beat you down as fast.
chilly brook
Regardless of why they did it it’s a nice change
uneven mason
What do you mean, from a flat % to a rating system like it used to be (btw as a OG warrior, calling Block Value - Block rating was bass akwards for me at first)
We block a ton more damage than we woudl have under the previous iteration thats for sure
What it did though
is give them a "scale" to work with
they can increase the value of the k variable in the blocking/armor equation (independently) so if they start to see block become Demigod level damage reduction like it was in ABT, they can give it a twist and bone us and paladins pretty hard.
They really installed a lot of "knobs" this time around
rather than tweeking the class
they can tweek the NPCs
warriors getting wrecked by a particular boss make k = 6150 rather than 6300, Warriors too good, k is now 6500
doesn't affect the other tanks much (besides paladin)
an even then paladin minimally
regal island
So block used to be a flat % of the hit that was blocked
Now with it being a value (shields, traits etc) block can excede the old flat % cap on most mobs
Meaning as we overgear content our overall DR from block improves and is not just based on more mastery.
uneven mason
I think mythic is around 30%
so a 340 should give you about what old block did
or is it 40% erg, hate being at work
prisma crane
block value now works the same as bastion did in legion
sick sentinel
41.47% atm with my 355 shield.
cloud bone
so atleast with deja character stats when I hover over block it says blocks 4500%(don't know the actual block value of a 340 shield) of damage. so does that mean when we block an attack we reduce the damage by that percent?
like when I block something I reduce the damage by 4500% effectively taking no damage?
vocal nimbus
Well
Im pretty sure that number is wrong
Someway or another
But if it were right then yes, you would mitigate that
cloud bone
I wish I were near my computer so that I could tell you exactly what it says
cus for the % it's using the block value on the shield
vocal nimbus
I have no stats addons and it shows around 38% with a 340 shield
cloud bone
hmmm maybe it's bugged?
i'll have to ask this later when I can get the exact wording and stuff from deja
prisma crane
or deja doesnt understand how the new block value works
cloud bone
that could be it
junior ivy
not enoughhh turtle quests
junior igloo
@cloud bone
You probably have 4500 block rating, which is 41.7 % damage reduction.
hot locust
You'd have to have brace stacks or triple IF for that.
a 350 shield is only 4075 base.
So 340 is ~3800 of the top of my head.
uneven mason
2.5x shields armor value?
inland urchin
astral path
pop avatar and gg top of meters
uneven mason
AE we out perform most raw DPS classes
reef fulcrum
Damn, all my gear is 340+ except for the shield (crafted 310). The feels 
😭
uneven mason
stack a group for TD
native coyote
it is fun?
vagrant cape
I mean, yes, but you're asking the prot warrior discord. If we didn't find it fun we probly wouldn't be here unless warriors were super OP and we were in top 100 mythic raiding, which we're also not.
open bluff
shh
vagrant cape
If you want a more diverse answer, I'd ask the tank discord server, but that's also the worst place one can go. I'm pretty sure I saw a shrine to sco there and their holy text is the transcription of every tank ranking video sco has made.
open bluff
do not use the F word
blizzard will sense it and nerf the shit out of us
or did we forget 7.1.5 so soon?
vagrant cape
"Harry no, it's taboo!" Suddenly death eaters
open bluff
the proper use of the F word is to go into other tank discords and say they feel that way so they get nerfed to the ground and prot can remain king
chrome harbor
I mean, as long as we dont act too happy we should avoid any nerfs
vagrant cape
You hear that, everyone? Grim up
chrome harbor
activates shaman mode
strong hill
^ and don’t do anything special in pvp. That always leads to a nerf
vagrant cape
9.0 Patch notes: "Ignore pain has been reworked. It is now called Ignore Pans. This is to accommodate a suite of new attacks in this cooking-themed expansion."
It is still on the global cool down.
native coyote
9.0.5: Ignore Pan now has double Global Cooldown.
chrome harbor
Ignore Pan, now only ignores 25% of cookies
strong hill
End of the xpack. Crit is worth 5 times all other stats. Prot warriors thinking about all the gear they passed on 🤔
chrome harbor
I dont see how that would ever happen, theyve kinda locked themselves into stat priorities for prot
vagrant cape
-Frost mage renamed to frosting mage. It's a much sweeter spec now.
-Fury warrior has been renamed to The Ramsey. It's mechanics remain unchanged.
-Changed the discipline priest to the Rabbi. This is the only spec that can cast kosher spells.
sick sentinel
chrome harbor
does the wardrobe come with a randomizer?
strong hill
@chrome harbor I doubt it would happen , but this blizzard. It wasn’t that long ago where prot warriors would take crit. If they flipped it around again I can tell you there would be some salty warriors out there
vagrant cape
Only 1% more block reduction before you hit the Crit block cap
chrome harbor
True, never say never with these guys.
But statistically speaking I wouldnt bet any money on it
chrome harbor
bonus rolls next week right?
strong hill
A 320 shield ?!?! Nice!
uneven mason
ASHIELDTHATWASN'TCRAFTED? U Lucky Dog!
strong hill
^
vagrant cape
It's not nearly as exciting when it's your only piece below 340
uneven mason
Yeah whoever put in the figures for the % drop on shields this Xpac
chrome harbor
you dont like the game trying to drown you in azerite gear instead?
strong hill
Weapon drops in general just feel low
uneven mason
were like "YO WARRIORS I HERD U LIKE CHAIN RUNNING STUFF FOR TUSKS, Well, Heres something new to run 1000x for!!"
strong hill
Oh yes that sweet sweet Azerite year
vagrant cape
Please make the azerite gear stop, blizzard. I have seven of each. Please. It hurts.
strong hill
Gear*
uneven mason
15 azerite drops 1 weapon, pity shield, I'm ok
by Pity shield I mean the holy paladin who looted the riot shield was like "Oh wtf ur using a blue?"
chrome harbor
what ever happened to crafted weapons anyway
uneven mason
and handed it to me
chrome harbor
like relevent ones
strong hill
My wife are at the point running dungeons we bet on what we’re getting , shoulders or helms
uneven mason
Searik they saw what we did with them in TBC and decided to nuke them from orbit Searik
chrome harbor
Ion got stunlocked by an arms warrior confirmed
uneven mason
wouldn't doubt it
I was mace spec
but no for Stunherald
for that sweet sweet haste proc
chrome harbor
ahh that dragon mace
uneven mason
Dragonstrike + blackout + Meta gem + DST
vagrant cape
I've realized that I should be using fury/arms loot spec for 90% of the bosses for the twohanders for offspec and swap to prot for the four bosses that actually drop shields
uneven mason
1.1speed Heroic strikes GOOOOOOO
strong hill
WTB heroic strike + glyph to hit more then one target
compact sigil
feelsbadman
wary crystal
yeah I'm getting to that point myself
compact sigil
fortunately tho, our arms warrior has gotten the shield from rezan twice from mythic while I was not in group lol
strong hill
@compact sigil lol your character even looks like it’s hanging it’s head in shame
compact sigil
lmao, oh it is, one weapon from a world quest, the shield from heroic
strong hill
Weapons from world quest ? What sorcery is this ??
compact sigil
it was a long time ago, I saw them once, it was like week one
eh, idk long time ago was a couple weeks ago, but you guys get the drift
strong hill
I’ve only seen a pole arm since starting wqs
Now I say that and between now and reset probably 6 are gonna to show up
compact sigil
i really dont want to buy oswain
especially with raiding next week, i dont want to drop the gold for a 350 when 355s can start dropping
idk, we will see next week goes with mythic+
uneven mason
Don't buy it then
Like
You'll have the option of spam running +5 TD more or less
I know I'll be putting up "LOOKING FOR +5 or higher TD key, will tank for lootz"
and just hammer on that dungeon
compact sigil
yeah, should be easy to get into them at 340 ilvl
uneven mason
its got a 1h, shield and one of the best trinkets
compact sigil
is jes's howler really better than rezans trinket at the same ilvl?
the haste just feels good
compact sigil
thats fair
uneven mason
overall it'll be more valuable for the raid in general
uneven mason
me either
strong hill
Ya that’s why most are putting it ahead of rezans
uneven mason
but basically you're giving a free bit of vers (about 1 gear slots worth) to each person in your party
for a little while
its not a HUGE Thing
but every % matters
and vers is really good for us
esp for magic
compact sigil
let me ask this, does it lost to rezans in raiding? as the vers is split between nearby allies?
or is it still stronger?
well, i guess you get more the more people as well
nevermind, I got there
uneven mason
If it just hits you, you get a boatload of vers for yourself
so if it doesn't split its better for DR
but if it splits its a better boost to overall raid performance
uneven mason
I need to motivate myself and get my last few mythics this week knocked out.
I got my weapon shield and boots and was just like "DONE"
but I should fish for some TFs
compact sigil
yeah, i've got freehold, underrot, and one more i think left
frosty wedge
yeah I'm stoked for m+
I got lucky with shields
and got a super cheap 350 weap on the AH
compact sigil
the 1h axe?
frosty wedge
picked it up for 125
compact sigil
thats not bad at all
strong hill
Not it’s not
inland mesa
What's putting the ilvl on the gear in the character screen?
frosty wedge
dejacharacterstats
inland mesa
Thanks!
frosty wedge
np 😄
weary notch
so it seems Spell Reflect can reflect multiple spells so long as they all hit within .5 secs of each other
onyx radish
Is there any indication of changes to IP with the coming balance changes? Also, is there an expected date for 8.1 with the new raid coming out next week?
weary notch
no one knows
compact sigil
good to know about the spell reflect
uneven mason
Yeah SR has always operated liek that
I'd tank the Necromancers back in TBC by being able to reflect all 8 casts at once
other tanks would gib, I'd just be like LOL Free aggro
dull pilot
best wepon enchant ?
thin mortar
i'm looking to run quick navigation for wep
uneven mason
yeah, haste is probably the go to enchant
uneven mason
Shadow Blast or whatever that was
daring marlin
yeahhh buddy
daring marlin
True that
uneven mason
AMS/Avengers Shield/Spell reflect groovy
druid is just like "Whelp, I'm fucked"
MANASPONGE HOOOOOOO
plain vapor
finally got a shield last night
feels good man
the haste/mastery one from atal dazar too
strong hill
Noice. Trying for that one tonight. Tried last night on heroic. No shield but got the weapon off the third boss
plain vapor
last piece i needed for uldir too. dont really need anything else apart from lucky forges. heading into uldir with 343 ilvl
dusk locust
some people are suggesting to taunt swap on taloc when he tosses his weapon. why is that? seems like one tank can hold it pretty much full time in p1
or i've missed a change
uneven mason
yeah 343 seems to be one of the plateaus for having full mythic dungeon gear every tank in my guild but one is there (my co tank BrM is at 345 the bastard)
frosty wedge
yeah I'm at 343 because 0 warforges/titanforges in mythics
marble pelican
So here is the honest truth, i'm an Orc warrior I played Fury for the last 3 expansions, i'm main spec Prot now, I'm still building up my Fury spec for OS.....i'm bored of my Orc race, i'm looking at changing because well I can 😃 I heard for Tanking the HMT is good, but with both Specs the Goblin might not be a bad option with the 1% haste...however later down the line I don't even know if that will matter lol. So purely cosmetic....horde side...
regal island
What do you guys think i have a 330 socket shield atm, worth buying the 350 boe?
or just wait for uldir/next week mythic's?
marble pelican
id say wait. I never buy gear, unless its to get a couple of levels, i'm too cheap lol
ilvls that is
valid vector
Anyone experienced prot warr willing to help me out with a few question etc in messages?
regal island
i picked up blockades because it was soo cheap and free ilvl getting into heroics
marble pelican
oh that may be an issue lol
regal island
yeah i don't care for the horns
marble pelican
i'm cheep on the AH but willing to spend 25$ on race change lol
regal island
psh $20 token only worth 115k atm soo
but yeah i racechanged from BE
the HMT charge is actually pretty nice too
marble pelican
I think a goblin tank would be funny
regal island
even just for movement
marble pelican
ok
regal island
i'll leap/eng belt, then charge and get some insane distance
marble pelican
there is 0 reasons to do it other than I can. lol
i also saw HMT have a damage reduction or something
frosty wedge
am I reading this wrong or does NONE of the uldir azerite gear have DC on it?
frosty wedge
hrmm, udner dungeon journal, raids, the world bosses are tehre as well
there are shoulders from one of them that have DC
uneven mason
mmhmmm
frosty wedge
man, there are also only like 3 pieces in mythics that have it, so funny
topaz ember
rip how many have you ran
uneven mason
yeah got the hat my first itme through Freehold feelsgoodman
topaz ember
i'm still using the engi head peice so id be happy to get a 340 with the sheild slam trait what ever its called
marble pelican
so i purchased the race change....totally just lit 25$ on fire and watched it burn, now i have to wait til i get home to make the change L:)
topaz ember
I now have Deafening crash and brace for impactx2 on my 340s
marble pelican
see this isn't helping i don't know which one lol
goblins look cooler, however HMT will probably be better for tanking.
final mist
I was a Tauren Warrior from Vanilla to early Cata, where I swapped to Blood Elf. I was then a Blood Elf all the way to when Nightborne were released, and I'll be a Mag'har Orc when I unlock them.
final mist
Racials aren't as impactful as you think, unless you're at a WF level.
I'm not sure off the top of my head.
hot locust
Boss swing speeds change depending on boss still sometimes.
uneven mason
lala knows
hrm ok
Fetid
trying to plan how between me and BrM who eats the nasty bits
hot locust
Fetid is 2 i'm pretty sure.
hot locust
We should take the big hit
uneven mason
should line up with block uptime just fine
hot locust
It's really easy for prot
dusk locust
we should? i would have thought we'd tank and gain the rage
simple lion
Is it just me or does warrior feel squishier than other tanks? I was around 300ish when I last gave it a shot so perhaps gear was the issue.
final mist
We're squishier if not played well / correctly.
hot locust
Warrior is more punishing on mistakes/improper play yeah.
simple lion
That makes sense, guess I've got some work to do lol
final mist
We make up for that by having retarded damage output and taking little in return (at the "cost" of less utility than other tanks / "high" skill floor).
flint herald
Hey lads, question. Why is there no sim APLs for prot warriors set up? Is there anything in particular that stops simming for PRot Warriors?
final mist
SimC isn't set up on the backend of things.
APLs aren't hard to write, but they won't do anything if there's no correct code for them to work with.
flint herald
Fair enough, this is an odd question and most likely a stupid one
But how do you determine good and correct stat weights without being able to sim yourself?
final mist
Tanks don't sim for stat weights, or generally use them at all.
Stat weights shift dramatically on a variety of factors (fight length, damage type, damage taken, healing, etc). Thus, tanks focus on a stat priority, because it's hard to sim for that when taking everything into account.
uneven mason
@simple lion Protection has a "gear hump" around 300 - 310 ilvl where you've gotta optimize your play, after you break 310,, or get a good shield you're going to feel like a brick made from steel covered in titanium
final mist
My skill isn't your skill, and my raid team isn't your raid team, we might not do bosses the same way, etc, all of these will impact stat weights.
uneven mason
Its like alternate universes, the bosses are the same, but the way they die is not!
final mist
It's easier for us to say, "Don't use Pawn; follow this priority instead: XCVC" than it is to have people asking questions about why this simmed better for them and not someone else.
uneven mason
In one of these universes Sal is 🐻
fathom field
At the beach house on the warrior discord yo
final mist
Additionally, a lot of people use Pawn the wrong way (in the same way a lot of people use SimC the wrong way). Realistically, because stat weights for DPS shift depending on the values you have, the gear you have, etc, you should be simming with each new gear piece you get multiple times to see how everything checks out. Most people will sim once, throw those weights into Pawn, and use them until the next major patch or expansion. Pawn is a good tool, but much like calculators in high school, tools are only as effective as the person using them.
Also no, never bear memes.
uneven mason
🚯 🐻
red sun
is there a way to transmog my shield to the artifact appearance?
fathom field
@topaz ember
wish I did too
quaint kiln
@red sun your MH has the artifacts on it
red sun
ah, ok thanks!
topaz ember
Dwarf racial is nice
final mist
Artifact shields are tied to the weapons, which is dumb.
fathom field
Anyone else out there say screw it to buying gear and just buying tokens?
uneven mason
but with a diff shield
final mist
The flail sucks.
topaz ember
The fail clips halfwayinto the ground as a dwarf
uneven mason
It reminds me of the chain whip from Super Castlevania IV
wraith ginkgo
Flail is shit
uneven mason
best physics ever
final mist
Look at these QUALITY weapon animations for the first flail in World of Warcraft!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KOug1QMy38
I, too, love when my weapon clips around halfway into my body multiple times.
undone sun
lol
uneven mason
Paladins got one too didn't they?
final mist
Yes but ours was datamined first IIRC