protection

[vocal nimbus]

dunno if 31 str beats 730 haste

[sick sentinel]

yeah that is my question

[vocal nimbus]

rezan and blockades for defence

i'd say 730 haste is better

but no idea

[grim prism]

Yeah good luck keeping those azerite haste stacks as a tank tho @solid granite

[vocal nimbus]

@junior igloo would you know that?

[undone sun]

I'd take rezans anyday

[junior igloo]

How far back should I read?

[grim prism]

Hold up

[vocal nimbus]

not too much

[grim prism]

Rezan is a haste proc too

Thats a no brainer

[vocal nimbus]

31 str vs 730 haste proc

[grim prism]

False equivalency

[summer dock]

anyone with leatherworking,tailoring, cooking or inscription in 75+ here?

[grim prism]

Rezan is more str and a longer proc

Both str stick with haste proc, why would you take the one thats 15 ilvl lower

[undone sun]

Also have to look at proc rates, but for most tanks rezans is nearly bis

[junior igloo]

Right, I'd use Rezan's for sure and then DMC for defense, Emblem for offense

[vocal nimbus]

i was comparing blockades and emblem @grim prism

[grim prism]

Ah

[quartz ridge]

what are BIS azerite powers? its not in the pins

[grim prism]

Well, two different purposes

[vocal nimbus]

its in the guide

in the pins

[grim prism]

@quartz ridge its in the guide in the pins

[quartz ridge]

ah

my bad

[grim prism]

@vocal nimbus DMC is also giving you stam and selfheals, so its not like you are trading off JUST str for haste. But yeah, like meiffert said, DMC for defense, emblem for deeps

[undone sun]

Well, the healing part of the effect is marginal at best

[vocal nimbus]

ok

balsaq

[sick sentinel]

I didn’t believe Rezan’s was real 😂

[vocal nimbus]

i was comparing dmc and emblem defensively wondering if 730 haste on proc beat 31 static str*

[grim prism]

I mean, the guide says its bis defensively so /shrug

[vocal nimbus]

offensively*

i thought that emblem is better but /shrug

[sick sentinel]

I’ve never seen it drop, even on normal

[grim prism]

That I dont know. Depends heavily on proc rate I would imagine

I'm tagging out. Lol

[wide juniper]

Arms war with me got rezans 😦

Only time I've seen it so far

[junior igloo]

All defensive trinkets are bad compared to late expansion trinkets like Apoc Drive or Diima's, so the perception is a bit skewed I think

[grim prism]

I mean my GUESS is that the haste proc would outpeform the static str for DPS

[junior igloo]

Blockades is not a great trinket, but better than other available choices 😃

[wide juniper]

Which makes it great, right now.

😃

[junior igloo]

Yeah, sure, Blockades is a defensive trinket

Fathoms would likely beat the others

[grim prism]

Lol classic tank trink paradigm

"Sure it sucks ass, but what else are you gonna use, a DPS trink?"

[chrome falcon]

Tbf I think blizz is actually just dropping the idea of "tank trinkets" altogether

For some reason I got Briny Barnacle as a drop today despite it being a strength trinket with a dps proc

[grim prism]

May as well, they havent made a good one in the past two expacs

Kappa

[chrome falcon]

and the only "tank" trinkets in the dungeons/uldir are intensely awful

so with the increased defensive value of strength i think we might just see tank trinkets as a concept disappear

[junior igloo]

They could but I don't expect it.
If they wanted to, the new expansion is a good place to do it. And they didn't since there are a few tanking trinkets in the dungeons, Blockades DMC etc.

So it's more likely just "let's make poor trinkets in first tier, better trinkets in 2nd tier and best trinkets in last tier" as they did in previous expansions as well

[frosty wedge]

I'm liking Jes howler tbh

[prisma crane]

probably just because of how well trinkets work outside of their itemlevel ranges even

[frosty wedge]

It's a pretty solid dps/dmg reduction

[rain dune]

I'm having a tough time judging a ring swap. Is +20 ilvl worth losing 223 haste on a ring?

[junior igloo]

yeah

[rain dune]

Gotcha. I know on normal gear the str is huge, and that small ilvl differences aren't big for that, but +20 was making me unsure

[astral crystal]

I miss main stat on rings

[fathom field]

@pastel sleet

[chrome falcon]

finally got jes's howler and rezan's eye

howler seems so good

i am so happy that our bis trinkets drop from dungeons that also have weapons and shields

[next goblet]

the lack of haste on gear is killing me

between 2 pieces im dropping 118 haste rating but 1 piece is a 15ilvl upgrade and the other is 20

bracers and goves

rip

[frail egret]

emblem of zandalar is also bis though right?

[chrome falcon]

do alliance even get emblem of zandalar

or do they just kinda get owned

[prisma crane]

I'm sitting on about 18% haste, so im not complaining much

hit 52% with ITF and trinket procs in A'D a couple days ago

[next goblet]

im dropping to like 12%

the gear that drops for me has like no haste

but its huge ilvl upgrades

and ilvl is king right now

[prisma crane]

im 339, so not top ilvl by any means, but so far so good

[next goblet]

i just need haste drops

[red oyster]

Haste is overrated

[next goblet]

nuh uh

WTT crit gear for haste gear

i get all this crit/mastery gear.. but no haste/mast or haste/vers

[oblique quarry]

vs

Id say the go away due to a lil more haste

but the icyveins guide says go with the disc

[next goblet]

cuz mastery is better than crit

[oblique quarry]

so go with disc?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

Disc better

[oblique quarry]

Thanks peeps

[next goblet]

sigh only 2 dungeons drop DC shoulders and only 1 drops a DC helm

[brisk flax]

best race for prot if you really want to be a cuck? Probably Moose?

[sick sentinel]

what

[brisk flax]

for min/max purposes

what is thought to be the best race at the moment for prot?

[vocal nimbus]

any of the 2 tauren

[brisk flax]

so in otherwards

MOOSE

lol

[oblique quarry]

it appears icy veins doesnt have an opinion on engineering helm azerite traits

[next goblet]

HOOMAN

[oblique quarry]

they`re quite unusual

[open bluff]

Or DI if you're a filthy Alliance scumbag

...like me

[brisk flax]

ew

You said a bad word

you said Alliance

im tellin

Mommmmmmmmm

[oblique quarry]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=160491/az3-r1-t3-orthogonal-optics?azerite-powers=1

i think i want the shrink one

but the spark capacitor looks good

[next goblet]

soo 15ilvl still greater than 68 haste? 315 gloves are crit/mas or 300 gloves haste/vers

[vocal nimbus]

Yes

[next goblet]

rip

[steel mauve]

Moose man best warrior

[vocal nimbus]

Even 5 ilvl on pieces that arent rings

[fathom field]

I think ne is the best. 2% extra dodge for revenge procs +1% haste for dungeons and shadowmeld

that dodge is insane.

[undone sun]

i would consider dark iron better for alli

[next goblet]

^^

[fathom field]

Only 1% physical reduction

[broken kite]

Not orc though

🤔

[next goblet]

at what point is ilvl worth losing 100+ haste on a ring?

[fathom field]

ne has 2% dodge on all physical attacks. Great way to cast revenge for free multiple times per pack. Highmountain tauren look sweet though!!!

How much is oswains shield on y'alls servers?

[junior ivy]

help please

[fierce juniper]

Jes + Emblem

assuming you actually make good use of Jes'

@next goblet Just take ilvl
unless you get a +5 ilvl upgrade and it has Mastery/Crit and your current ring Haste/Vers or something

[inland mesa]

that's what i'm using....and am I missing it, or is there no azerite armor in Uldir with DC?

[next goblet]

@fierce juniper my current rings are a 305 haste/vers and a 340 crit/mast.. but i have a 330 crit/mast in my bags.. but that'll drop me to like 10% baseline haste lol

@inland mesa i noticed that too

[fierce juniper]

oh

yeah use both those rings

the extra stats/stam is well worth it

[next goblet]

so dump the haste ring?

oh the haste ring also has a socket

[fierce juniper]

yes

[next goblet]

ok

[fierce juniper]

+25/35 item levels is pretty significant

[next goblet]

oh my bad im at 9% baseline LUL

[inland mesa]

so no DC azerite piece in Uldir, and I swear on beta Taloc dropped the haste/mastery shield and now it's Ga'huun....I cry 😦

[shut summit]

Just get lucky from m+ cache 🙈

[next goblet]

lol

[ivory barn]

is there a haste breakpoint? Trying to figure out what to get next

[ember arrow]

theres no haste breakpoint

ilvl>haste

[next goblet]

what if.. blizzard swapped Dragon roar and Booming voice talent locations?

making the choice between unstoppable force and BV harder, and being able to possibly devastator it up again

[broken kite]

Feels like a tiny improvement ignoring main issue

shrug

[next goblet]

because i see tier 3 is damage and BV tier is supposed to be more rage oriented

i mean, the main issue is our GCD isn't it?

[ember arrow]

Id say main problem is no utility

Or average at best

[next goblet]

Gimme banners back

OR

The AoE taunt shout

[ember arrow]

U mean like Dave?

Dave=monk statue

[next goblet]

no like the old ability warriors used to have

we used to have an AoE taunt shout a LONG time ago

[ember arrow]

Oh

I started end wod so idk

[next goblet]

ahhh ok

they could do a lot for us

[ember arrow]

They could but arent

Wonder why

Not rhetorical question

[iron forum]

probably reluctant to look into any changed before seeing how raid performance is

[next goblet]

possibly

but we need more viability in m+ as well

[iron forum]

theyd have to make some pretty fundamental changes to make warriors competitive picks in high M+ I think

[ivory barn]

so drop stats for ilvl?

[ember arrow]

You gain more stats wit ilvl

[next goblet]

so i got bored and decided im gonna do a rando heroic with devastator

322 ilvl

[ivory barn]

result?

[next goblet]

other than being rage starved

its not bad

the rotation doesn't feel nearly as pooper

and i feel like im getting more Ss procs.. i just dont liek the rage starvation

[vagrant cape]

Thunderclap is the new shield slam

Get those procs out of here

[next goblet]

lol

you hit revenge a lot less

[brave jetty]

Is Incite the Pack at all relevant for us?

SEems like a pretty decent chunk of Mastery for a pretty good duration

But can't find any kind of info out there on it, like ICD or anything.

[next goblet]

@ivory barn i actually like the playstyle a little better, its more of a QoL type thing for me

you still have Demo shout up a lot, and last stand and shield wall still save ya, its just dont hit that revenge button even though it looks tempting

[ivory barn]

i hit revenge WAAY to much

[twin hazel]

whats the group limit going to be for normal and heroic uldir?

[brave jetty]

(Before I get Check-The-Pins'd, Incite the Pack is not addressed in the Prot Warrior thing on Azerite Traits, at all.)

[next goblet]

@ivory barn try devastator lol you'll only hit revenge when it procs

[ivory barn]

keep rest of talents the same?

[next goblet]

thats what im doing

im just enjoying it more

definitely big difference in rage tho

[ivory barn]

this is so different

[next goblet]

lol

its actually kinda fun tho

[ivory barn]

yeah it i

is

[next goblet]

totally hit revenge waaaaay less tho

by no means is this the best option

im definitely enjoying this lul

[ivory barn]

definitly fun

[next goblet]

it might even do more dps with higher haste levels.. not sure tho

i dont run damage meters though so im not sure.. unless im dpsing then ill run it lol

hmmm 325 big red button or 325 pvp trinket? red button has leech proc and pvp trink has a socket, and the use gives vers

[fathom field]

I'm running devastator boe as a ne with 5% dodge and I get procs all the time

Booming voice is probably better for higher keys like marok writes about but the devastator build is easy

I've got a macro with revenge after ip and shield block in priority Revenge never gets hit unless there's a ton of trash or it s free

[undone sun]

that's.... not a good idea

[fathom field]

What?

I'm not saying it's the ideal build

My devastator build is giving me 10% dps on two targets compared to booming voice over 1 and 3 minutes. Try it with the tgt dummies.

Its probably not a meta spec or anything like that but its different

[weary notch]

feel free to play whatever you like. Just understand it's objectively weaker defensively. And we need all the help we can get in M+

[raven kernel]

First and foremost you're a tank

But do what you want :/

[fathom field]

I'm using booming voice for higher keys of course

Or even for kings rest and siege

I wish a ravaged build was somehow viable. that would be fun as hell

ravager

[prisma crane]

placing an item on the ground isnt fun at all

i know it's subjective but like

how is AM not amazing

and at least with HR you get big numbers

[fathom field]

Ya I dunno. I'd like to mess around with a crazy talent build

[digital arrow]

Are you guys having to spam IP more often on average with one healer class over others?

[fathom field]

Monks and shamans

[junior ivy]

i got my haste to 15%

that feels so high

cause its been so low

[digital arrow]

Dunno if it's just me but every time I play with a pally healer I feel like their heals are very small and they have to work harder than others

[junior ivy]

i did al lmy mythics with pally healer this week

it felt fine to me

[digital arrow]

I'd be like down to 50% and I see little flashes and my hp goes up by like 3% at a time

I see

[raven kernel]

Pallys feel pretty weak

Monks and shamans are good

[junior ivy]

ive felt a lot stronger this week but its cause im better geared , but casue of that i had no issues with pally healer

ive only done mythics so far with pally healer and priest healer

[fathom field]

Had Roy good luck with pallys druids and priests

[next goblet]

@fathom field i like to play with devastator because its more enjoyable

if the contents harder for my group ill swap to BV tho

[fathom field]

Ya I see that

[next goblet]

does dev give more dps?

[fathom field]

Like running someone through a heroic I'll use dev

[raven kernel]

I don't see the logic in that

I still stick with bv on easy content

[fathom field]

It's easier to play with dev. that's the logic

[raven kernel]

Pull 3 or 4 packs, avatar demo and top dps

[next goblet]

it makes the rotation feel a little less clunky

thats really all it does

im sacrificing surv for quality of life

[fathom field]

Gotta have bm for island expos

I dont pull like that in heroica cause someone always freaks out and

[next goblet]

you definitely have to pay a LOT more attention though if you play with dev lol

[fathom field]

stops doing what they are supposed to

[next goblet]

to rage and such

[fathom field]

Rei...do you use elvui. I think I use the elvui profile of someone named rei

[raven kernel]

I do but it's def not my ui

[vagrant cape]

Sorry, but I saw earlier someone said shamans healers make us spam IP more. I disagree, I love Shaman healers because of their earthen wall totem. I feel invincible when that's down.

[fathom field]

That's not what I said

I said from my experience shamans make me spam up more

[vagrant cape]

Do they use earthen wall totem?

[fathom field]

prob cause they are respecing for shorter queues

I remember this one shaman who was good did

@raven kernel

[vagrant cape]

When someone finally used that I looked at the buff and I was like, "damn, this is good. This must be a talent with like a three minute CD since I haven't seen it from other shamans." nope. Baseline with one minute CD.

[next goblet]

so what mythic would you say is the EASIEST? and which is the HARDEST.. for a warrior tank

[raven kernel]

?

@fathom field wat?

[cloud bone]

I've been running with a disc priest and the heals aren't the best

but don't know if who's at fault really

[vagrant cape]

Opinion incoming

Easiest: Atal dazar. Mobility helps a ton on all the bosses, our armor makes rezan and the last boss tickle.
Hardest: Underrot because the ticks hurt like a motherfucker, the third boss has tons of magic damage, and the trash before the first boss is really too magicky for my taste.

[next goblet]

i would agree with underrot

[fathom field]

yup

[next goblet]

i also hate shrine

[raven kernel]

I think most ppl agree ataldazar for easiest

[fathom field]

atal and freehold are the easiest I think. shrine and under it suck

[raven kernel]

Except for like 1.or 2 trash pack

[little star]

imagine not skipping the ticks in underrot

havn't pulled them since the first reset

[next goblet]

and atal drops some good prot war gear 😄

[vagrant cape]

It does, I love it

[cloud bone]

all 3 pieces from rezan are super good

[vagrant cape]

I also really love tol dagor for some reason? I don't think it's easy or hard, but I tol adore it

[cloud bone]

I don't mind tol dagor until we get to the last boss

I hate that guy

[vagrant cape]

It's so easy tho D:

[fathom field]

He is ez

[vagrant cape]

I don't understand why people hate it

[cloud bone]

I've had problems with him and the rest of my group dying to his abilities

Is there some trick to deal with the fight?

[fathom field]

That's the spider web guy right?

[vagrant cape]

Corner strat

No, tol dagor final boss is the rooftop cannon fight

[fathom field]

O

[cloud bone]

corner strat? are you sitting on the stairs those corner?

[vagrant cape]

Yeah, cannons can't hit you, knock backs don't do anything

It's easy

[cloud bone]

does everyone sit on the stairs or just the tank?

[vagrant cape]

Camera fucks you more than any of the boss's abilities ur it works

[fathom field]

I need to do the corner strat yo

[vagrant cape]

Tank sits on stairs, melee stand nearby, ranged go along far edges

[cloud bone]

hmm ok i'll have to give that a try this week then

I've been having so much trouble with that boss

also on the 3rd boss is it possible to not have any barrels explode or is it inevitable?

[vagrant cape]

It's possible

And not too hard as long as everyone actually picks one up

[fathom field]

man I just move that woman away from the barrels. she's ez

[vagrant cape]

I haven't tested this, but if the barrels can be marked, you can assign one to each person

[cloud bone]

Yeah she's easy just lots of movement

[fathom field]

Last fight my dpa burned her and didnt touch a barrel

dunno if that'll work on higher keys

[cloud bone]

I think that if you move like 50% of the barrels outta the way and delay them you should be fine no matter how long the fight takes

[vagrant cape]

There are lots of viable strats on that fight. I like keeping the boss in a corner and keeping the barrels in the same corner but in a ring around the boss. Cinder flame makes you only have to move one barrel and if you get the flames around each barrel you can just ditch the corner and move to the opposite side and set up again

[fathom field]

anyone using menace instead of rumbling earth? seems a lot of 5 man mobs are immune to it

[vagrant cape]

I use the fear as an interrupt as it always breaks instantly.

So keeping them in place doesn't really do anything

I'd rather have more frequent aoe stuns

[round vortex]

@cloud bone I have a prot Warrior POV of doing the achievement on that boss. I’ll pm you a link it might help with the barrels.

Basically. The fight goes in an order and it’s not random. So you can plan every barrel set.

[cloud bone]

what's the achivement? and yeah i'd be nice to see another group handle it

[round vortex]

Do the fight with no barrel explosions at all

[junior ivy]

we were gonna do that tonight but messed up

[round vortex]

Basically you put one barrel in each quadrant (sorta close to the boss) and assign one person to each barrel.

When she puts her first fire under them, move them straight away.

On the next 2 times she does this wait for her to debuff someone and get it dispelled before moving them.

There are 2 times she will frontal cone a corner and that person moves their barrel immediately.

[steep river]

@round vortex You DM me the video link to?

[round vortex]

I’ll just post here since it’s relevant to current convo.

[sick sentinel]

I use Storm Bolt as another stun option for mythic interrupts alongside Shockwave and War Stomp, Int Shout.

[ripe crest]

can someone explain the ignore pain cap to me

is it effected by your max hp?

[round vortex]

https://youtu.be/0VLM1obtE38

[steep river]

ty

[round vortex]

Ignore the imperfect play. I was leading this on discord so focus was only on the achievement

Naked mog ftw lol

@ripe crest the cap is 130% of what your maximum ignore pain value is.

If you want to work it out yourself you can just use ignore pain and multiple that bubble by 1.3

Basically any ignore pain that would go beyond that is wasted. Maroks weak aura shows if you will cap it or not with your next use.

[thorn hound]

why has prot broken bois

i'm upset

[round vortex]

@cloud bone video above bro 😃

[cloud bone]

Got it Thanks! LD

😄

[amber siren]

@ripe crest It scales with vers and AP, not health

[round vortex]

The word form strat is:

1. Ignition outs the fire under the barrel slow to explode so have heaps of time
2. Cinderflame - frontal cone that instantly lights barrel. Long cast time.
3. Fuselighter - if you pick up a barrel it will ignite.

Strat
Ignition first - move barrels
Then dispel fuselighter
Then one person dodges cinderflame.
Then she will ignite BUT WAIT, as someone gets fuselighter now so dispel then move barrels.
Dodge next cinderflame
Fuselighter again just before an ignite. Again dispel then move them.
She should die now - collect loot.

@thorn hound we not broken my dude

[chrome harbor]

is it just me or does the camera seem extra shitty in BfA dungeons

[thorn hound]

I mean I feel like we've been nerfed over night

[amber siren]

Nope we haven't been touched

@chrome harbor if you're playing a goblin then the camera for them/gnomes is off centre and is super awful

[chrome harbor]

actually as of today my warrior is a blackrock orc 😄

[amber siren]

I don't know then my dude, I don't think I've had much trouble

[round vortex]

There are alot of dungeons with a low ceiling and things hanging from the ceiling that get in the way so probably doesn't help lol

[chrome harbor]

snek temple and spooky mansion are big offenders

[junior ivy]

omg whats annoying is the dungeon with the weird games on the floor

where you gotta avoid sdtuff in a pattern

at one part the ceiling is super low when youre trying to find a time to run into it

[amber siren]

temple of sethrallis

[frosty wedge]

355 crafted pants rolled haste/mastery 😄

[fathom field]

Is 179k a good price for oswains? 350

wow nice pants

[amber siren]

depends on what it's worth to you, raids and m+ are out next week so you can wait and hope for a drop or just drop the money in the mean time

if you spend the gold your shield dropped rate is upped by like 90% though

science

[rose marsh]

lol ya...

I spent about 500k total on shield, 1h and the boots

355 boots tho

[broken kite]

Yikee

+s

[fathom field]

I got 2 mythic titanforges last week and a 350 one handed from wq

Kinda makes me think shield is around the corner. But its science

If I buy it it drops

[vagrant cape]

Oswain is 300k on my server last I checked. I'd probly buy it if it dropped to 100k but I'm cheap and it'll suck next week

[next goblet]

noice got the legs, ring and mace from atal finally

[wanton trout]

So.. with out into the fray.. how much haste are we needing?

[amber siren]

there's no haste caps

[undone sun]

there's no need for any amount

[next goblet]

you could technically play with no haste.. but it'd be absolutely terrible

[wanton trout]

ok.. cause I think I'm sitting at 330 and 8-10 %haste and then I have into the fray..

Was wondering If I could talent out of that

[amber siren]

[next goblet]

you really wouldn't want to right now.. i mean theres specific scenarios where you might want to but none i can think of in live right now

[sick sentinel]

can always use more haste. makes everything feel better.

[frosty wedge]

I am in full epics and I'm sitting at 342... I've gotten 0 warforges or titanforges out of now... 16 mythics?

the only two warforged/titanforged items I have are from WQ... and they're 340 and 345.

lol

meanwhile a DH I run with is in like, half 355s

[chilly brook]

@wanton trout considering you don’t have any haste cap you shouldn’t really spec out of into the fray if you can keep 2 stacks or more the whole time

@frosty wedge I’m chilling at 346

[frosty wedge]

nice - I'd love to be able to get... anything to upgrade

[static lance]

i got my first titanforged piece last night from motherlode. 355 boots.

[merry cave]

Naww fang back to being shit it was hilarious while it lasted

[static lance]

still using 325 weapons, tho

[frosty wedge]

my only 355 is the pants I just made.

[undone sun]

even worse for tanks now, the channel is canceled on melee hit

[merry cave]

Lol thyme that's awful -_-

[static lance]

that's awesome, @frosty wedge

[undone sun]

well deserved nerf, but that one definitely fucked tanks hard

[frosty wedge]

oh, also the 355 blockades - nice Matt

[undone sun]

even non strength users were using the trinket

[frosty wedge]

tons of 350/355s :p

[chilly brook]

yea I got lucky

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

Yeah it was a little op, but now it's back to useless which is a shame. They really don't know how to buff and nerf things subtly

[undone sun]

🤣

[lucid kelp]

Im not used to being a warrior. Why do all plate gloves suck?

like..Fashion-wise

[chilly brook]

Wut

I quite like mine in my mog

[frosty wedge]

yeah i like mine too

[sick sentinel]

same.

[lucid kelp]

I mean if I was going for a full armor mog they might be ok. But im a Lightforged Draenei...I wanna show off my forearm rune markings

and there are like..no plate gloves that dont go all the way t o the elbow

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

Yea there are

[lucid kelp]

well theres one, but its horde only. And there's 2 I have as alliance but they are really ugly colors

[raven kernel]

Seems like you need a slutmog

[lucid kelp]

so..3 out of 420

I do quite like the new troll armor pieces tho, they show off my back markings

[chilly brook]

Become the real faction and be a member of the horde

[frosty wedge]

need to get my neck up :/ missed a few days

[junior ivy]

how can you see the percent on your necklace

percent til next level

i mean

[frosty wedge]

Iuse elvui and it's like a little XP bar for me

not sure on default ui

/ec

[iron forum]

default ui its a little bar like an xp bar too

[junior ivy]

where is it

though

wheres the bar

[iron forum]

its right where the xp bar was for me, i use bartender to move my bars but it just defaultly appeared there so i assume its anchored to the same location

[junior ivy]

does bartender control it?

[static lance]

yeah, bartender has an option for it

its attached to the XP bar

[pure kraken]

In bartender it's the "artifact power" bar, you just need to click it

[junior ivy]

ohh

thanks

that helps

yay i see it

[fathom field]

Harlan drops the 340 helm with DC on it right?

[undone sun]

yes

[round vortex]

Or you can pogchamp it on the 340 emissary reward 😃

[rose marsh]

i got a duplicate chest today -_-

my helms are awful

[fathom field]

pogchamp?

[rose marsh]

yes

[fathom field]

Is that like a brand of sushi?

Or like something out of the karma sutra.

[tiny sphinx]

oh man! I remember pogs/milkcaps

[rose marsh]

rad

[brave oar]

Guys having a hard time deciding between trinkets, I got Rezans, Jes Howler and Blockades.
Blockades is 355 ofc, the other 2 only 340

any suggestions?

[undone sun]

i'd personally use rezan's and jes howler

[terse dragon]

anyone have a link to dungeon talents?

[raven kernel]

1123211

[cosmic shore]

icyveins says not to stack deafening crash, is it worth it for the damage though?

[dull pilot]

dont stack no

[undone sun]

there are better options

[olive scaffold]

im aware that you dont get the extra 2 seconds for deafening crash but its not worth for the damage incrase

what else would u go into callous ?

[undone sun]

brace for impact and iron fortress

[olive scaffold]

is not stacking callous good for double the damage reduction ?

[dark junco]

wondering if I should buy a gnarled mood ring with a socket for 315k

[raven kernel]

Yes

[raw ingot]

has there been any changes to demo shout recently?

[undone sun]

not that im aware of

[raw ingot]

am I just a dumbass then? Im getting 15s CDs and i dont remember that ever happening

[astral geyser]

theres a pvp talent that brings it down to that level

[raw ingot]

omg I was using a PVP dummy, thank you

[vagrant cape]

damn, went to check my AH for an oswain's and there aren't any for sale.

[rose marsh]

Should I continue to use fathoms or use Jes's howler in dungeons?

no fang , sadly

[ember arrow]

why not both

[rose marsh]

blockades feels nice

[ember arrow]

it does barely anything

[sick sentinel]

For trinkets whats better? Mchimba's Ritual Bandages or Jes Howlers?

[rose marsh]

ya but it was buffed

the link in the pinned messages says its best pre raid

[undone sun]

jes is bis defensively

bandages is trash

[sick sentinel]

Well shit here I thought I looted something good 😄

[ember arrow]

pretty sure infernal contract absorbs more dmg at 150ilvl

@undone sun

[undone sun]

probably

https://puu.sh/BnjtD/7128370ec7.png

i know titanguard did prenerf

oh wait, it still does https://puu.sh/Bnjup/ef5ade7bd3.png

[ember arrow]

can u check for infernal contract?

im logging, gonna SS too

[undone sun]

👌

[ember arrow]

yesh

@sick sentinel here u go

NH trinket absorbs more dmg

nice tuning by blizzard

[sick sentinel]

Yeah so its utterly trash

small indie company

[ember arrow]

the STR is nie

nice

first tier tank trinkets are always bad

[sick sentinel]

Well Jes' howler also has trash

[ember arrow]

?

no it isnt

[sick sentinel]

eyg$

euh

also has Strenght

I mean

was busy doing WQ 😄

soz

[ember arrow]

did u read the active

[lapis pasture]

I may not have gotten a 340 weapon after 3 weeks of mythics but at least I got you cutie

[old zephyr]

5 lvl or a socket, assuming same piece?

[hearty portal]

@lapis pasture was it any consolation tho? I have no weapon above 325 either :( with 30 mythics and probably 500 heroics

[sick sentinel]

How would you honestly rate prot warriors vs other tanks atm

[little rain]

That kind of question almost always requires you to include what content it is you're aiming to do

[undone sun]

and how skilled the players are

there's too many factors to give a simple answer

[sick sentinel]

Sorry, I meant mythic Progression In Uldir

[undone sun]

best while being as vague as possible is
could be better, could be wrose

[sick sentinel]

So very Skilled player on prot vs very skilled on other tank classes in a mythic raid right now. Do you think prot would be comparable in survivablity and damage dealt

[undone sun]

yes

[sick sentinel]

There is alot of stigma of Prot warrior being the worst tank by far at the moment. Most fun tank to play though imo

[hearty portal]

We are great at damage

[dreamy gorge]

Prot war feels fun to play, alot stuff to do

[hearty portal]

Healers rate us the worst when it comes to damage taken tho. But its probably because everything is magic damage

And we dont have much in terms of magic mitigation

[ember arrow]

?

uhm

vdh are considered far worse to heal atm

[junior igloo]

@ember arrow @undone sun
Infernal contract makes you take 20k more damage (saves 25k, causes 45k).
Titanguard is as strong as Bandages (adjusted for cooldown), but makes you channel for 3s and doesn't have 200 passive strength.
(I know that calling them better was probably a bit of hyperbole, but just so that people aren't mistaken.)

More relevantly, comparing to a new trinket mentioned there:
Jes' Howler gives you 1371 versatility for 12s, which is 8 % DR (or 958 vers when in a group, which is 5.6 % DR)
If you are taking 10k dps, that saves you 9.6k (or 6.7k in a group) HP on a 2 minute cooldown.

Adjusted for cooldown, Bandages prevent 19.1k every 2 minutes.
You'd have to be taking roughly 30k damage every second for Jes' Howler to pull ahead.

TL;DR: Early expansion trinkets are all "bad" compared to what we are used to, even weak looking defensive trinkets are actually decent compared to what's available.

[ember arrow]

@hearty portal we have one of few dedicated magic DR in the form of SR, we have DS, LS, SW, and IP vsm agic

@junior igloo the "negative effect" of inferna lcontract wa significantly smaller relatively, when it was current, it was a 4.5mil shield, with 1mil feedback dmg (that could be negated by AMS). I said Jes howler was good, also 30k dmg per second doesnt seem that strange?

tank hp being 170-190k that isnt alot

assuming you mean 30k post metigation

it still can be negated by AMS btw

i tested it recently

[junior igloo]

Healers in my groups are doing roughly 10k hps, nobody could outheal 30k dtps atm.
But yeah, using Jes' Howler during a short burst damage taken could make it about equal.

Of course, as we do tougher content, it will scale a lot better

[ember arrow]

exactly

your point about bandages sounds like "if the content is trivial, it is moderately useful" if i understand right

but thats not when you should use a defensive trinket

[junior igloo]

well my point is that as weak as it is, it's better than most other trinket for the time being

[ember arrow]

but you meant 30k dtps post metigation?

[junior igloo]

yeah

[ember arrow]

so you take way more total then

[junior igloo]

I think that the trinket works post mitigation, doesn't it?

[ember arrow]

i meant, do you count 30k dmg as, you take a 30k dmg hit and then reduce it, or do you mean, you take 50k hit for example, then 30k remains?

[hearty portal]

@ember arrow we dont have any passive mitigation to magic

Thats what i kinda ment

[ember arrow]

dk doesnt

bear doesnt

pala doesnt

uhh

[hearty portal]

Yes they do

[ember arrow]

like what

please tell me the dk passive magic Dr

im anxious

[hearty portal]

Paladins can block spells

[ember arrow]

yes RNG

[hearty portal]

So?

[ember arrow]

so you cant rely on it

[hearty portal]

We are based around rng

When sb is on cd

[ember arrow]

???

mate, what passive metigation does a dk have?

vs magic

or bear tank

all tanks are weak vs magic, and if a pala has a chance to block magic, they cant rely on it, and must still use cds, when a magic hit is about to come in, otherwise it might not block it, and they will get nuked

[junior igloo]

I mean the 2nd.
You take 1M damage total (over 12 second), armor/block it down to 300k.
Bandages "heal" you for 20k.
Jes' Howler prevents 300 x 0.056 = 17k.

And that's a decent chunk of damage to take at this point in the expansion

[ember arrow]

ok, thanks for clearing that up

[hearty portal]

Druid pretty much have 30 reduce magic constantly

0.5 seconds cd

[ember arrow]

i agree that defensive trinkets are better than having a dps trinket defensively, but im mostly arguing theyre bad, not that theyre useless literally

[hearty portal]

30%

[ember arrow]

mark of ursol doesnt exist

since TOS (?)

[undone sun]

NH

[ember arrow]

so thats a -1

now dk

[hearty portal]

Well dks can just self heal for great amounts

[ember arrow]

keyword "passive metigation"

death strike is active metigation

[junior igloo]

Was Spell Reflect buffed to 20 %?

[ember arrow]

its a short cd, no cost, and it is specifically vs magic

i cnat see how that is bad by any means

you dont even need to blow one of major cds vs magic

[hearty portal]

No everything that doesnt have cds are passive mitigation pretty much

Since it has 100% upptime

[ember arrow]

but DS has a cost

[undone sun]

nope

[ember arrow]

that doesnt make sense

[undone sun]

technically that's incorrect

[ember arrow]

if it doesnt have cd, that doesnt mean it can be used infinitely

or on cd

[hearty portal]

Well you have to compare the classes when doing a rotation

Cant just have them stand afk

[undone sun]

DH's have passive magic DR, they don't need to press anything for it to be effective, every other tank does

of course

[hearty portal]

Everything thats up 100% of the time is their baseline

[undone sun]

not passive

[thorn spruce]

Paladin has it in the form of consecration and holy shield

[ember arrow]

dk dont have any magic dr passively

[thorn spruce]

Magic dr*

[ember arrow]

mister big daddy said "passive"

keyword

[silk mortar]

@ember arrow Versatility ;D

[ember arrow]

@thorn spruce

[thorn spruce]

🤦

[ember arrow]

passive is, you have it active all the time, even if afk

[hearty portal]

Yeah but you take everything to literal

[undone sun]

technically correct is the best kind of correct.

[hearty portal]

If you thought i was comparing afk tanks to each other

[thorn spruce]

If people counted the soul consume thing for dhs as passive

Consecration is passive

[hearty portal]

If you remove all cds from tanks

Who would be best?

[ember arrow]

i still think dk are best vs magic dmg, since DS ignores dmg type

and healing for 25% of dmg taken is basically 25% DR

[undone sun]

monk, hands down

[thorn spruce]

Monk > pala > dk imo

[hearty portal]

Healers like monks

They dont spike as much apperantly

No clue what they do tho

[undone sun]

because stagger is actually busted

[hearty portal]

Never played one

[thorn spruce]

Stagger

Thats literally it

They take the damage spread over 10 seconds

Its so easy to heal

[hearty portal]

Ooh ok

[fathom field]

I thought monks were best for raiding? seems prot is better for five mana than monk to me

[hearty portal]

Holy shit

So you cant get nuked

Lol

[fathom field]

mans

[thorn spruce]

Pretty much

A 330 monk has over 1mil ehp

😃

[fathom field]

Raiding is supposed to be dead compared to mythic + right?

[undone sun]

no?

[ember arrow]

huh

whered you get that idea from?

[silk mortar]

1mil sounds a little to much ;3

[hearty portal]

I guess monks have dodge?

[undone sun]

it's true though @silk mortar

[thorn spruce]

They do yeah

[undone sun]

monks have high amounts of dodge

[thorn spruce]

And they do have 1mil

[ember arrow]

they live in legion

whuile we are in bfa

[thorn spruce]

🙂

[undone sun]

i dream of prot t21

every night

[thorn spruce]

Prot t18 when

[hearty portal]

Maybe nerf stagger to 50% of the damage taken

[ember arrow]

when prot stops feeling bad

i will paly it again

[hearty portal]

And make it dont work on magic

[undone sun]

same levko

[ember arrow]

it works, but i hate it

the playstyle

[fathom field]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=285256/mythic-rewards-in-bfa-weekly-chest-can-contain-up-to-3-items-item-level-breakpoi

[silk mortar]

You still play dk levko

?

[ember arrow]

yea

[hearty portal]

I was going to main prot. But the fluidity of it feels like bedrock

[silk mortar]

Damnit

[ember arrow]

90% haste if everything procs

ASCENDED

[fathom field]

seems to me with the loot ilvls you are better off running mythics than raiding by a wide margin

[ember arrow]

well

m+ loot is hc

the weekly chest is itemson par with M raiding

[hearty portal]

Mythic raiding will have the best gear

[undone sun]

M+ have always been a sort of alternative to raiding if you don't have the time commitment, but it by no means is a replacement for the general population

[ember arrow]

ill do both for example

[hearty portal]

You can do both so

[ember arrow]

its a whole different palying field

diff feel

[hearty portal]

Its just an addition

[fathom field]

but the ilvls got buffed in bfa. Why not run mythic 10s every week hoping something will warforge or titanforge?

[undone sun]

you can

[fathom field]

And just skip raiding.

[ember arrow]

thats the point

[undone sun]

🤔

[fathom field]

What am I missing?

[ember arrow]

i feel like im missing something

tbh

i dont get that logic

[chilly hemlock]

you're missing less rng on azerite gear

[ember arrow]

you can do normal raid, get TF, then you dont need to do m+ or m raid

[chilly hemlock]

and some combinations, if there are good ones

[fathom field]

Ya

[ember arrow]

thats not an argument to not play either

[chilly hemlock]

that's pretty much all your incentive to raid

[ember arrow]

not to mention social aspect

[undone sun]

also hugely preferential

[fathom field]

I mean running a mythic ten for 385 gear is a lot less work than joining a mythic raiding guild with a bunch of kids :)

[ember arrow]

well, if you join such a guild

thats on you

kind of a strawman

@silk mortar i ever said i wont?

[silk mortar]

Wha ;D

Nah

[ember arrow]

play dk

[fathom goblet]

did prot war get the short end of the stick after pre patch, they feel a lot less potent in their own sustain?

[silk mortar]

But you never know if people change ^^

[ember arrow]

prot works fine

but feels bad to play

dk works, and is fun to play

[undone sun]

subjective

[ember arrow]

and since its less braindead than in legion, timing DS is actualyl a thing now

[silk mortar]

Mhm

Havent tried a dk this xpac 😭

[fathom goblet]

been healing my friend whos prot since launch, and healing a warrior compared to other tanks just feels harder

[ember arrow]

not to mention u can borrow trashmobs

[silk mortar]

Yeah

[ember arrow]

@fathom goblet usually thats on the player

[silk mortar]

Lots of great things to control

[undone sun]

that's more up to the player than the spec itself

[fathom field]

lol at dk's attack

[ember arrow]

Sal has a post in the pins about it

i have 3 attacks

total

im a 200 IQ dps

attack worms, attack me, attack pet

[fathom field]

haha

[ember arrow]

@fathom field

another pet

:^)

[junior igloo]

How much does stagger stagger with current numbers?

[ember arrow]

80% ish

iirc

[willow dirge]

Other than "hope it doesn't happen" what's the best way to snag aggro if extra packs get pulled? Last night I was having a fun time trying to clean up after a DH that kept eating fears and thunder clap just wasn't spammable enough to get the whole pack

[ember arrow]

let them die

[willow dirge]

Like is there a trick to it or do you just have to accept it?

[silk mortar]

They should make demo shout give aggro ^^

Let them die and then take the m;)

[ember arrow]

if dps pull aggro, they should reconsider playing theur spec

pull extra packs

that is

[willow dirge]

That's good enough for me ))

[valid pumice]

I had a couple of dps last night that just kept running into packs then typing oops in chat

[ember arrow]

grab popcorn

[valid pumice]

Told healer not to heal them and let them die, they didnt do it again

[ember arrow]

dont forget to use a neural silencer

so u cant be MD to

[fathom field]

Noob warriors.
Step 1: spec arms
Step 2. pull before tank to top dog charts
step 3. you already know

*dmg

[willow dirge]

I always find DHs to be the worst. It's like okay cool if you wanna run off that's fine, but why aren't you queueing as a fucking tank if that's what you're gonna do?

Like you're taking a 40 minute wait but the only difference is if you do it as Venge you don't die.

[valid pumice]

I had a arms warrior jump into a pack of blood worms and spin for about 2 seconds before dying

[fathom field]

Same guy I played with

No interrupts...posting recount after every fight. dying 5x times

No rallying cry

[junior igloo]

How is Ironskin Brew this overpowered? I actually haven't looked at monk numbers till now

[ember arrow]

nah its fiiiiiiine

80% dmg redirected

[junior igloo]

It bums stagger from 50 % to like 78

[ember arrow]

1mil ehp

whats wrong with that

[fathom field]

Monk tanks I've seen suck in five mans

[junior igloo]

I mean yeah, they take a lot of damage total, which is a problem in "easy" content with only 1 healer

But once you get to hard hitting raid bosses with beacons and hots from 4+ healers on you, that's insane

[fathom field]

In raids they'll be mandatory. I just dont know how popular raiding is going to be compared to mythic +

[ember arrow]

not mandatory

[fathom field]

I'd take prot pally qarrior or DJ for five mans and druid/monk for raids

*dk

[compact siren]

At least prot is best for rushing obsolete content

Beeg damages

[opal drum]

Hey, i am new to tanking. In Legion Vids i saw DKs kiting everything in Dungeons instead of facetanking. Is this strat still a thing, even pug, or only for high mythics / content pushing pros?

[ember arrow]

no

trash packs are now actualyl designed

that u cant pull multiples

take the basement of waycrest

the miniboss wants u to stack, while the sisters want u to be spread 8 yrd

[junior igloo]

So, yeah, magic mitigation is roughly

1. Monk (27 %)
2. Paladin (20-25 %)
3. Warrior (~ 20 %)
4. Druid (fat cause mastery, but not that much)

I didn't include tanks reliant on self-healing for magic mitigation because there it depends more on the amount of damage, they can be best or worst depending.

[fathom field]

Gotta be higher than 20% for warrior

ignore pain + spell reflect

• shield wall once per boss fight

[junior igloo]

IP again depends on the amount of damage because it's a fixed number

[compact siren]

You dont have permanent reflect

[junior igloo]

But yeah, rotating DS, reflect, SW and LS is averaging 20 % or so

[fathom field]

So this is passive mitigation?

[junior igloo]

This is average

[fathom field]

ok

[junior igloo]

Not for 1 big ability, but for a hard ticking dot whole fight for example

[frank hill]

how is prot looking for mythic+?

viable as a tank for a team or should i look for other tank specs

[junior igloo]

I'd wait for balancing pass next week before deciding based on tuning

[frank hill]

right right - from what i can tell from base mythics, i feel really squishy and can't pull overzealously but i have insane damage compared to even most dps aoe

13-18k thunder claps haha..

[rose marsh]

What do you guys like for PVP talents?

Dragon charge is hilarious

[junior igloo]

Toolkit wise:

• Big damage, most cooldowns of any class, AoE stun, party buff (battle shout), single target (intervene/safeguard) AND group wide (rallying cry) defensive cooldown, good mobility.

• No selfhealing, no repositioning ability (grip/knockback)

[fathom field]

You are only squishy against magic dmg

like all the other tanks yo

Our physical reduction is pretty darn good

[frank hill]

yeah, that it is

like if there are no casters in a pack i'll be fine 99% of the time... unless it's king's rest

... spectral berserkers ree

[junior igloo]

Can dwarves remove the bleed?

[frank hill]

Probably, considering it's a, you know, bleed.

[fathom field]

mass spell reflect morale killer and thunderstruck for me

I'm not a pro though...I play alliance

rly makes you frustrated when you spec arms and end up with a crappy tank I a dam heroic

[rose marsh]

I switched to prot because of that

[fathom field]

And they probably think prot sucka. They suck.

[rose marsh]

now I cant find a heroic where I dont top damage

: D

[fathom field]

Unholy dis and frost mages can top me

Vdh is pretty strong too

[rose marsh]

DH seems really solid too

yea

[fathom field]

They cant interrupt though right?

[rose marsh]

i thought they had an aoe interrupt lol

[junior igloo]

All melee and tanks can interrupt

[fathom field]

I never see DHS interrupt

[ember arrow]

weird

they get 50 energy

from kicking

[junior igloo]

That's a bit sad seeing as it's a dps increase for them :)
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=183752/disrupt

[ember arrow]

30 fury

i thought 50

well my point still stands

wish other specs could be rewarded for doing basic things :^))))

in same way

[frank hill]

if you could choose between 😃 a free chaos strike 😃 or 😃 letting your group take a lot of damage 😃 which would you 😃 take 😃 /s

[fathom field]

lol

what's your ideal 5 man group as prot?

I'm thinking priest frost mage aff lock and...something else?

[ember arrow]

depends on dungeon

mass dispel for underrot for example

or kigns rest

[junior igloo]

That's a broad question.
Probably a holy paladin and paladin/DK/warrior dps for loot trading 😃

[fathom field]

Just up general

[ember arrow]

control undead for kings rest

it helps

[fathom field]

Hunters seem kinda useless to me.

[ember arrow]

how come

[fathom field]

for ranged dps I'd rather have a shaman wsrlock and mage

[ember arrow]

shaman

hahahaahahah

[fathom field]

they bring utility though

dpa isn't the best

dps

[craggy pine]

Heya. I'm making a prot warrior )mostly for m+), is there a certain race that's "best" in m+ as prot?

[ember arrow]

@fathom field why not bring somethign that has both 🤔

[craggy pine]

or do I just choose whatever looks coolest

[cosmic cargo]

BE for every class/spec than can pick them

[ember arrow]

god no

not even more of em

[fathom field]

Night elf. I get a ton more revenge procs it seems. I'm swimming in them

[junior igloo]

because dodge? 😄

[fathom field]

plus if you tank pubs and somebody Aggros everything I just leap.and shadowmeld

yes

[cosmic cargo]

shadowmeld is good for necrotic

[fathom field]

The taurens on horde are nice too according to ppl more knowledgable than me

highmountains racial looks good. I don't know if it's as useful as the +2% dodge a ne get da

[junior igloo]

AoE stun is nice, but arguably not as valuable on a warrior since we have shockwave already

[opal drum]

Goblin 1% Haste? 😄

[sick sentinel]

The Azerite Traits in Uldir kinda suck or?

[junior igloo]

I think you want to have at least 1 of the non-role specific ones to activate the Array.

[keen yacht]

⛈ 👏 ⛈ 👏 ⛈ 👏 ⛈ 👏 ⛈ 👏 ⛈ 👏 WEEKEND BABY

[snow osprey]

Good day gentlemen! (and ladies if we actually have any over here:) )

I've got a question about azerite traits. I was so focused on keeping Deafening Crash + 2x Brace for Impact I actually missed one awesome t2 trait called Azerite Veins.
It scales with haste actually healing every 2-2.3 seconds based on your trinket procs and "into the fray" talent stacks. And that's shitload of selfheal. I'm dumping one "brace for impact" in order to get an armor piece with "blood sport" + "azerite veins". (larger absorb never hurt right?). This concludes background.

So. Question is - does "Azerite veins" stack? I wonder if it is worth looking for 2 pieces of armor with this trait. Heal is just so massive I'm getting addicted to it

[silk mortar]

Pretty sure theres been a thread aboutthat

Believe they said it stacks

But dont take my word for it, wouldnt it be easy to find out for yourself if you have the traits?

[snow osprey]

I have it on just one piece unfortunately 😦

[silk mortar]

Ahhh

[snow osprey]

learning the answer would tell me whether I should "need" these pieces from my party or not

[silk mortar]

It would seem pretty op if it did stack

[snow osprey]

exactly :)
I didn't have a chance to run a dungeon with it yet, as I'm all locked out. But I tested it against tanking dummy and it gave me 27% of my healing. while ~50% was ofc ignore pain

that's just so massive.

if I can actually stack it - that would be insane

with high haste ticks are more frequent - what makes it OP for high-haste warriors

it's 2.3 seconds with 33% haste. that's my amount out of the combat with 5 stacks of "into the fray"

[silk mortar]

Pretty sure i only have one piece aswell. Hopefully someone can update.

[snow osprey]

with haste trinket proc thats heal every 2 seconds

[silk mortar]

^^

According to a post made by some person it stacked atleast

so thats good 😉

[snow osprey]

apparently it does

[valid pumice]

If I remember the healing amount stacks but the time doesnt double

[snow osprey]

I think that's good enough 😃

it has nice uptime anyway

[valid pumice]

You just have to remember it stops when you reach max health so there will be some cases where it cancels itself after 1 tick

but yeah its pretty strong

[silk mortar]

@raven kernel Pffft no heritage armor yet ;P?

[raven kernel]

man i work a full time job and have 1 main + 2 alts to clear mythics and islands for

😦

[silk mortar]

Feelsbad 😭

[snow osprey]

yeah I know... I am thinking about making a WA for it so I let my guard down a bit when veins kick in so I dont lose healing, and can pool up BS charge

sounds a bit like a micro-management stuff, but I think I can pull it off

[silk mortar]

Good luck 😉

[snow osprey]

thanks! also appreciate your responsiveness ^__^

[vocal nimbus]

”Does __ Azerite trait stack?”

Yes, all traits stack in some way.
What stacks? Stat increases, damage additions, healing additions
What doesn't stack? Duration multipliers/additions, proc chance, number of targets, cdr effects, etc

@snow osprey

Copied from brm discord

[snow osprey]

gotcha. thanks! will print it out and hang next to my monitor 😄

[timid nacelle]

Thoughts? Strength in numbers or overwhelming powerm

[vocal nimbus]

@fierce juniper you could even write something like what i copypasted and pin it, people are usually asking what stacks

[final mist]

I'll add it to the F.A.Q.

[vocal nimbus]

👍

[lunar sparrow]

Hey - Im trying to find info on the engineering helm - is it decent? The traits look solid.

[final mist]

The Engineering traits are "okay", but the Protection-specific ones are generally better.

You should make one anyways, you'll need it (the traits give you skill boosts to Engineering) to create the mount from the Motherlode.

[lunar sparrow]

Yeah - Im looking specifically at Synaptic Spark Capacitor. Random 5% dmg redux seems good.

[lusty coyote]

Hey guys, can you get the Block Tracker to work? the WA that is pinned here

[primal bramble]

Hi guys, what ilvl should I be to reliably tank mythics with a pug? is 325 OK?

[pastel sleet]

Certainly

[sick sentinel]

What's the best Prot warrior race on horde? Best for parsing and best for surviving if they are different in you're opninon

[merry cave]

I use the goggles, the 5% dr proc is up a lot on st aoe it's a bit hit and miss

Nightborne master race 👍

[thin current]

Highmountain Tauren seems pretty good

[timid nacelle]

Yeah I love nightborne, shit facials for min maxing but cantrips is the shit

Facials... Lol racials

[sour osprey]

@raven kernel this transmog is just : 😍

[raven kernel]

😄

[sick sentinel]

What's the general thinking about prot right now? Warriors will suffer as main tanks, right? I've been running dungeons though and I do tons of damage on large pulls. How do they stack up against other tanks in M+?

[merry cave]

They're fine

And I don't know what you mean by 'main tanks' the main tank/off tank paradigms really don't exist in wow anymore

[sick sentinel]

It just doesn't seem like the warrior's niche is being a raid boss tank. It seems like their kit is designed around tanking lots of mobs and dealing lots of damage.

[merry cave]

Warriors will do fine in raids, plenty of cooldowns, block is strong

[grim prism]

Honestly it'll probably be easier for prot to tank the raid than M+ this tier

But like Morg said, prot is fine

[sour osprey]

Can we expect a buff of the war prot or it is balanced on its current state ?

[merry cave]

We're more likely to see a dps nerf than any kind of buffs but I can't say for sure

With no hard content to test all my tanks feel pretty balanced

It'll be a lot clearer when mythic raids open and people are getting above 10 keys done

[sick sentinel]

For min maxing sake, what do you think would be better. Goblin warrior or troll warrior

Prot

[open bluff]

Bullmoose

The answer is always bullmoose

But if you must pick between those two troll imo

[lime wing]

Hightauren racials are THAT good? I'm thinking about going for Mag'har

[merry cave]

Min mazing what?

[sick sentinel]

mag'har orc with tusks for the memes

[merry cave]

If your talking about dps it's moot

[sick sentinel]

Min maxing damage dealt

for parses

[open bluff]

Free DR, racial charge, and fucking moose antlers

[merry cave]

It's less than. 1%

[sick sentinel]

Moot? Sorry what's that haha

[open bluff]

What isn't to love about highmoo

[sick sentinel]

the rep grind

[open bluff]

For true min/max you want og orc or pandaren iirc

Still not a massive difference

[merry cave]

Meaningless. There are no racial Sims for prot that I'm aware of. If you look at fury and arms the races are so close dps wise that it makes no difference in real play.

[prisma night]

yeah racials dont really matter imo

[lime wing]

Tankwise; that Mag'har secondary statu buff could proc haste, which is better than attack power, right?

[sick sentinel]

I love my High Tauren for his Activ, it gives you more Mobility and an AoE Stun

[merry cave]

So you pick based on utility (for the content you do) or what looks cool

[sick sentinel]

Mostly picked it for gapcloser in pvp

[daring cedar]

Hi guys! Quick question; are there any BOE's in particular that are of high value as prot warrior (perhaps even BIS) that I should think of buying? 😃
Thanks for your time!

[lime wing]

I think the only one that worths buying is the Darkmoon Deck Trinket

[sick sentinel]

MB the Shield if you dont get one in Mythics

[uneven mason]

The shield is BiS until you know, tuesday.

[merry cave]

I'd probably buy the 1h axe or sword, shield, boots, haste ring

[open bluff]

wouldn't recommend buying the shield at this point unless you full clear tuesday and don't get one

[merry cave]

Get it all

👌

[uneven mason]

Avalith - you can chain run M+s for chests

Truck them +5s for a shield!

[open bluff]

also true ^

[daring cedar]

Thanks guys!

[prisma night]

oh yeah the raid comes out soon

[uneven mason]

Tuesday, along with M+ and the Titanforge cap being raised to 370

[daring cedar]

Ahh okay.

What haste ring is he talking about tho?

[final mist]

Probably the BoE ring that has nothing but Haste on it.