protection

[regal island]

Aoe stuns are usually how we finish that place

[grim prism]

LoSing is going to be very important in M+ this expac... there are so many caster packs

Trash feels way harder than Legion

[uneven mason]

Storms on Fortified tho

I'm not looking forward to the shadow lady

with her 2 SPrinkler adds

[void quail]

^^^

Those guys hurt so bad.

[uneven mason]

You kite them

if they're not in mlee

they can't cast their shit water spout

whiel the rest of your group interrupts and tunnles the shit out of the shadow caster

she just randomly casts anyway

But yeah, like Storms is the dugneon where I think stacking CC is going to be required.

even so far as to have more Interrupts that are not DR'd with stuns and silences

[sick sentinel]

I just blow them up avatar/demo/tclaps. Use shockwave if I see a lot of casts. Have my rogue prio stun the main mob for kill. Moving as needed from their long cast dumb thing.

Maddening whatever.

[uneven mason]

If you stood in melee range with that pack you'd die since the water drops hit you on the way up.

[sick sentinel]

Never had issues with shrine trash though.

[uneven mason]

heh

Unless they fixed the point of impact finally

[sick sentinel]

The bridge, or any of the trash.

[uneven mason]

Oh the bridge yeah I Just blender them

I mean't the shadow casters and the waterbois

[digital arrow]

lol @ waterbois

[uneven mason]

I Mean, not all groups can do the bridge that way tho

they hit me like a waterboi

[digital arrow]

pug groups have very little patience for los'ing

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I just try not to pull a lot of the waterbois at once. Especially the 1-2 big ele area.

[digital arrow]

in my experience

[uneven mason]

Oh no the elementals 😛

the guys that throw water drops

[sick sentinel]

Shadow guys I just blender, while making sure me/my group keeps Unending Darkness down.

[uneven mason]

Deep Smash

They'd hit for 300k in one cast of that

cause all the drops would slap you in the face as it went off

Guessing they fixed it (I haven't face tanked them since that first week)

[grim prism]

Confirmed waterbois still hurt like a bitch

[uneven mason]

grr, was finally up to #20 warrior on my realm this morning for ilvl and now I'm down to 26th, gotta get home and farm some titanforges!

damn work

[sick sentinel]

My mythic group afflict lock, rogue, hunter and me we do solid damage. Little/no worries.

[graceful mason]

Realisticly the best way to gear is spam heroics atm

Shit titanforges all the time

[fathom field]

I'm getting better one and two target dps from taking devastator over booming voice. Tests done over 1 and 3 minutes. I tried this with deafening crash on gear. Gale force on my one handed weapon increased the advantage devastator had over booming voice. Your thought?

[inland mesa]

Did Ga'huun always drop the raid shield? I really thought it was the first boss D:

[strong forum]

i feel like i have actually too much haste, sitting at 1272 = 18.71% should i drop some?

[fierce juniper]

@fathom field Yeah, Devastator is generally a DPS increase ST (and possibly two targets). Pretty significant decrease in rage gen though (and therefore survivability)

[bronze helm]

Isn't that talent row about rage gen not dps?

[fathom field]

Aha.

[weary notch]

@fathom field single target you're probably right (or close to right). Maybe even two target. But devastator has no defensive value. Remember that deafening crash extends not just the 15% damage uptime of Demo but also the 20% DR of demo

[fathom field]

It is over a 10% increase with gale force on two targets

unless I f ed it up. but I got the same results several times. I take booming voice over devastator most of the time

[uneven mason]

@bronze helm That talent row is about Rage generation/management (vengeance is management, while the other 2 are RPS generators)

Devastator is a RPS gain over having no talent, however the benefit of it falls off dramatically because many of the SnB procs it provides end up being overwritten by a cast ability that also procced SnB thus its benefit is much smaller in action than it is on paper

[plain vapor]

#MakeDevastatorGreatAgain

[weary notch]

#nothanks

[fathom field]

ahaha

[weary notch]

also, how is devastator a rage gain at all?

[uneven mason]

Because it provides resets to Shield Slam

that are free of the GCD

[weary notch]

less so than not having devastate, though

[uneven mason]

so say - you're mid GCD and auto attack - it resets SS

Well, more or less, its a 20% chance on auto swing

[fathom field]

The procs happen frequently when you have the new gale force on your weapon that increases auto attack speed

[uneven mason]

vs 30% on GCD for TC/Rev/Dev

[raven kernel]

sorry booming voice 4eva

[uneven mason]

so the spaces that would be Devastate casts, have a potential to be Shield SLam casts instead

[weary notch]

you can't say it's an RPS gain "if you select no talents"

[fathom field]

Exactly

[weary notch]

that's not a real world scenario

[uneven mason]

Its a RPS loss versus both Vergeance (through proper management) and Booming Voice - there @weary notch that more real world?

[fathom field]

The auto attacks fire off quick with gale force and I'm getting decent burst dalsge with multiple shield slams over 15 secs

[uneven mason]

But a RPS gain vs not having it at all.

Right but your GCD scales with haste as well Screw, so that is a newbie trap

[weary notch]

again, I'm trying to avoid confusing anyone here. The second way you said it is much better

[graceful mason]

Brace for impact benefits from more shield slams as well

[fathom field]

exactly.

[uneven mason]

the frequency of overwitten SnB procs is high enough that you gain very little additional rage from Devastator

[graceful mason]

Dev also scales with haste due to autoattacks

Which means it could get better with more gear

To the point where it is worth taking

Just not in t0

[weary notch]

but I'm still not convinced that devastator gives you more overall SnB procs. Would have to see numbers on that

[uneven mason]

🤦 haste scaling is irrelevant since your GCD scales at the same rate

It doesn't give you more SnB procs

thats the point

Literal sense it does

effectively it doesn't really

as you would have procced a SnB from a TC, or Rev or Devastate in that GCD anyway

[fathom field]

gale force increases your auto attack speed (devastator) by 15 % for 15 seconds and its pricing twice as often now

proccing

[uneven mason]

So yeah galeforce gives you a non relative scale

[fathom field]

dunno what that means

lol

[uneven mason]

but again - I don't think you'll gain any additional real SnB

[fathom field]

I like beer

[uneven mason]

So haste scales auto attacks and the GCD at the same rate

Galeforce is attack speed (not haste) so your GCD remains the same while your auto attacks speed up, not relative to eachother

[fathom field]

What weapon enchant do y'all recommend?

[grim prism]

Wow

[fathom field]

.. wow?

[grim prism]

I picked a good time to AFK

[fathom field]

Could have stayed that way

[runic fjord]

👀

[uneven mason]

I'd recommend haste or armor and not using devastator

[fathom field]

Ok

[uneven mason]

Mostly haste for enchant

I have one of each

[fathom field]

SHOW OFF!

[uneven mason]

and the difference in dungeons leans to haste

ALthough at lower ilvl you might want armor

[fathom field]

Anyone know the haste break points...or whatever ya call em

[grim prism]

There arent any

Just get more

[strong forum]

get as much as you can

feels weird though, to have more haste than the other 3 stats combined

[grim prism]

Must be nice

[fathom field]

o

[strong forum]

idk man

i feel like i should redistribute

[fathom field]

I'ma need a hand out

[uneven mason]

haste has the highest return on survivability until 100% SB uptime.

[grim prism]

As long as you arent skipping 25 ilvl upgrades im favor of haste like some people around here

Youre probably fine

[ember arrow]

Vers is better than haste

Oh i thought im on dk discord

[junior ivy]

no

nooo

[strong forum]

im 345, im not dropping any ilvls

[uneven mason]

for overall damage reduction yeah..

[ember arrow]

Ignore me

[fathom field]

I'm 344. You want to one up me today don't you

[grim prism]

Changed your mind

[plain vapor]

anyone else here still trying to get a shield from dungeons?

[uneven mason]

since haste does little for magic besides allowing IP to be used more readily

You're not wrong Levko

[fathom field]

Yea. no shield drop in two weeks

[uneven mason]

but you're wrong

but they're close enough that haste just makes the class more forgiving

[grim prism]

@plain vapor me and my 325 will be fine until M+ opens

[plain vapor]

im rockin a 300

qq

[grim prism]

Ouch

[strong forum]

î feel like i dont need to clear m0s this week

[grim prism]

Itll be way easier to farm one next week tho

Plus oswains is waaaaaaay expensive right now

[strong forum]

only TF can be uprades... kinda lazy

[plain vapor]

i have 3 more dungeosn i can do this week that drop shields

so stacking my group with shield users

[fathom field]

200k on my server. Too much for 25 ilvls I think

[strong forum]

no

i mean

m+ comes out next week

so... eh

[grim prism]

Thats cheaper than most i've seen honestly

But yeah i'd just wait

[fathom field]

Tokens are cheap. I'm buying them. seems goofy to spend like $30 worth of gold for a shield that should hav re dropped by now

O look its noon. Time to drink.

[grim prism]

Im lowkey hoping blizz will manually pad WQ drops for those of us who arent EU Horde

But not too worried regardless

M+ week = free shit for everyone

Tank queues are a seller's market

[uneven mason]

allset for m+

[fathom field]

Does anyone sell tank queues?

o that's perdy

[grim prism]

Some guy on my server was buying heroic tank queues 4k a pop

[uneven mason]

i get 1,000g per queue

[strong forum]

i bought my 355 shield 2nd day of launch cuz fuck rng, spammed hcs for 9 hrs and didnt get shit

[grim prism]

I appeased him one

[uneven mason]

from the bag

o damn

I should try and sell the tnak queue

I need some gold

my Xmog addiction got the better of me

blew 15k in a week

[strong forum]

people sell 5k per HC and 7.5k per mythic on my server

as solo tank

full groups asked for up to 1m

[fathom field]

lol

[grim prism]

Thats absurd

[fathom field]

ppl are goofy

[strong forum]

it is

im wondering if they sold even 1 run

it was week 1 but god damn

[grim prism]

Lmfao

[strong forum]

i wouldnt dare to sell a run for more than 20k

[dusk locust]

full group i've seen 120k

[fathom field]

damn

[dusk locust]

i think last week though i dunno if it's still like that

[grim prism]

Thats an order of magnitude more than i would expect people to be willing to pay

[uneven mason]

reminds me i need to double check with my run team if they're ready to sell some +10s nexct week

[dusk locust]

if you're dps and < 330 ilvl and aren't in a guild, you aren't getting in mythic without starting your own group

[fathom field]

I know right

[ember arrow]

Ofc

[grim prism]

If youre DPS under 330 and you arent in a guild, you should play a different game

[ember arrow]

Dps are replaceable

[dusk locust]

or you're in a guild but for whatever reason missed the boat running w/ them

they all did it on tues/wed

[uneven mason]

get a better guild?

[hazy yacht]

run with their alts

[blazing pelican]

play prot

[uneven mason]

My guild the heavy hitters are done by wends but we still drag the late comers behind us

[dusk locust]

yeah we do that too

[grim prism]

Level a prot and continue to not get invited to groups

[dusk locust]

i log on and instantly get invited to run mythics

[uneven mason]

Oh right *cough, sucks when I can't get a mythic group to save my life, and have to beg paladins to carry me.

Prot warriors such dumpster tier

I have to have a paladin tank even when I'm prot

[grim prism]

Honestly im going to be spamming so many pug keys next week its not even funny

[chilly brook]

I mean we’re all practically done on reset day lol

[uneven mason]

(Are they gone?)

[grim prism]

They were never here.

Wtb bluepost

[fathom field]

charging for tank queues lol wish I was a dk

[dusk locust]

oh man i'm going to live in m+ next week it's going to be wild

[fathom field]

Would bank

[uneven mason]

0_o

[chilly brook]

Bruh you can just charge for tank q’s no matter what lol

[uneven mason]

TFW he wishes he was the weakest tank currently for dungeons

[blazing pelican]

if you're struggling with prot in mythic0s its not the class

[uneven mason]

😕

[fathom field]

I'm blowing up mythics

[chilly brook]

Mitigate

[fathom field]

with beer fueled aoe

Need that sea helm from Harlan yo

[chilly brook]

I already got it 😜

[fathom field]

hate u

[chilly brook]

And the shoulders from MOTHERLODE

[strong forum]

wait ikari you're joking with that pally thing you said ye?

[fathom field]

so ya'll think prot is strong in 5 mans?

[chilly brook]

And the chest from Tol Dagor

[strong forum]

definetely

[dusk locust]

yeah prot's great

[chilly brook]

I think you’ll be able to do what you want in prot

[uneven mason]

This helm?

[fathom field]

yea

[strong forum]

yes is bis

[dusk locust]

i'm more worried about missed interrupts and dps taking damage than i am about dying if i overpull

[runic fjord]

i was trying to talk to someone yesterday about M+ comps, and this motherfucker kept insisting that prot warrior was shit tier because it doesn't have self healing and that's the most important thing.

🤔

[strong forum]

dont play with him then

[dusk locust]

well he's wrong

[runic fjord]

no shit

[chilly brook]

When you were going to link your armory but then you realize you logged out in fury because you were doing world quests

😑

[uneven mason]

if this was friday I'd totally drop the "That isn't how this works" meme bomb on that comment Nimmock

Y do WQ as fury?

I do everything as prot

[fathom field]

So self healing isn't that important in dungeons?

[chilly brook]

Because things die faster as fury

[runic fjord]

i mean

you've got a healer

[strong forum]

things dont die faster as fury

lul

[dusk locust]

i pull everything in sight and aoe it down

[prisma crane]

in higher keys it can matter, if you can support yourself the healer can do damage

[ember arrow]

@fathom field self healing is just DR

[chilly brook]

And why would I do world pvp as a prot warrior

[ember arrow]

How do ppl not get it

If u heal 30% of dmg

[fathom field]

That makes sense

[runic fjord]

i mean sure but at that point just run with a disc priest

[uneven mason]

So the gap between a BDK/VDH/PPal/GDru self sustain and a warrior/monks mitigation style is the fact that a warrior and monk can eat hits that the other tanks die from. But if they live can save the healer some mana.

[chilly brook]

I mean despite how much damage prot does, things do die faster in fury or arms

[ember arrow]

Its same as reducing dmg by 30%

[dusk locust]

mitigating instead of healing also keeps you from causing the healer to overheal

[prisma crane]

when you see ranks, they arent referring to average runs, which is what most idiots dont realize

[fathom field]

that makes sense

[runic fjord]

^ Brewmaster and Prot Warrior are significantly more easy to heal for healers because the damage is predictable.

[strong forum]

m+ scores will tell everything tbh

[prisma crane]

a lot of stuff that we push aside is actually valid, but only if you're looking at the cutting edge of M+ keys

[strong forum]

just wait for scores

[uneven mason]

The "ranking" for M+ has next to nothing to do with tanking capability and everything to do with how much cheese you bring to the sammich

[runic fjord]

Well of course but at that point if you're not running VDH

[strong forum]

then you can shittalk

[uneven mason]

Yeah I mean, having healed a bit, I absolutely hate VDH

[grim prism]

Except healing back 70% isnt the same as reducing by 30%

[strong forum]

no point in arguing with shitters

[dusk locust]

well to a degree you're going to see more people playing fotm tanks at high scores, just like you see fotm dps doing the most damage in raids

[uneven mason]

they're like made from wet cardboard compared to a Warrior monk or paladin

[grim prism]

Because you still have a dip before you reheal

[dusk locust]

more because the better players pick them up

[strong forum]

except reducing it by 85% is not the same as taking tons of damage and then healing it in the chance of dying before that

[prisma crane]

well they have more hp to counter that @grim prism

[dusk locust]

yeah but that makes their damage intake more spikey

[prisma crane]

if we're assuming perfect balance, it'd be like taking 30% dmg or taking 50% dmg while healing for 20%

[fathom field]

We should fight. self healing vs mitigation. Go!

[strong forum]

i can literally tank 40 stacks on the waycrest boss and be fine

while DK would get oneshot

[grim prism]

@fathom field this entire server votes mitigation

[uneven mason]

I mean that is why a poorly played BDK/VDH/GDru is a mana sponge, and a poorly played warrior is just dead.

[crimson sentinel]

idk i can do that on my dk aswell lol

[fathom field]

Its a one sided fight lol

[prisma crane]

true, but, a DK could prob take the first 30 levels with less healer attention, thus, a faster boss kill

[grim prism]

Guess that means we win again!

Woo

[strong forum]

i dont think so krotos, i take a hit for 2k and blocked 30k

so no healing needed

[uneven mason]

Not really Krotos since the self healing is really very small outside of their major CDs

[prisma crane]

but, all this only matters when there's a timer

[fathom field]

Ya but we do more dpa than a dk

[prisma crane]

we'll see how things flesh out in the next 2 wks

[chilly brook]

@prisma crane maybe but prot will make up for that damage anyways because prot does more damage than a DK

[fathom field]

= faster boss kill

[uneven mason]

But overall yeah, we'll see

[prisma crane]

fair, but that could be said in legion, but it wasnt the case

[uneven mason]

I'm excited to kite some trash in AD

[chilly brook]

Lul Legion

[uneven mason]

who else is ready to take the stair leaps

[prisma crane]

since the difference a healer made was more than the delta

i know it's not legion

im jsut saying im waiting to see how this actually pans out on live in the next few wks

[uneven mason]

But anyway - for M+ the cheese is what counts

[strong forum]

exactly

[uneven mason]

and that means BDK, VDH, PP and BrM will be kings

[chilly brook]

Bruh BDK was meta in legion because 3 reasons, being able to take both purgatory and red thirst, the now heavily nerfed and useless consumption, and grips

[uneven mason]

BDK was meta because of gorefiends and the ability to generate threat without being in melee range

[prisma crane]

you can "lul" all you want when i say stuff, but concepts arent different

[fathom field]

Can y'all look at my character here?

[uneven mason]

I DONT SEE YOU

[chilly brook]

BDK is fairly different in a M+ standpoint from what made them amazing in legion

[uneven mason]

yeah, but still solid

I mean, BDK isn't any weaker/stronger than the other tanks when player properly

possibly a bit too squishy on the front end

[strong forum]

but the utility is what counts in high m+

[uneven mason]

right

"CHEESE"

its called "CHEESE"

[chilly brook]

And that utility is now really just grip

[strong forum]

kite / grips / silence

[prisma crane]

i wouldnt call that cheese

[strong forum]

is whats the most sought after in high m+

[uneven mason]

Warriors are like Roast beef with Roast beef with a big slab of Roast beef on some roast beef

[fathom field]

So take bounding stride in mythic plus?

[uneven mason]

the other tanks are varying degrees of dairy products

[strong forum]

generally yes

maybe safeguard

[uneven mason]

Depends

[strong forum]

for squishy dps

[uneven mason]

yeah Bounding for higher keys

[dusk locust]

i got a ton of use out of safeguard in legion

[uneven mason]

Safeguard has its uses if you're seeing healers get chunked

or DPS etc

like I used Safeguard a lot in HoV keys

cause it was about the only way for most non paladin healers to survive that place

[chilly brook]

Safeguard on last boss in that creepy ghostly place in Legion was nice

[dusk locust]

like with the change where you can't swap items, how great is it to tell a dps "sure, bring your dps trinket instead of your shield trinket, i'll pick up safeguard"

[grim prism]

@fathom field i like bounding stride as a go-to but you may want safeguard situationally

Id avoid crackle in M+

[chilly brook]

@dusk locust that’ll actually probably be a nice thing tbh

[strong forum]

crackle has barely any use in my eyes

TC is big enough as it is

[grim prism]

^

When you tank shit it runs into melee with you anyway

All crackle does it make you chainpull bad pats

[prisma crane]

well

it's not that large of a range....

u've already body pulled at that point

[grim prism]

12yd radius is pretty big

[chilly brook]

You mean all it does is make your DPS envious of your damage

😜

[strong forum]

what

no it doesnt

[uneven mason]

Crackle is what I'll probably run for the +2 and +5

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

Accidentally pull=more padding

[uneven mason]

eh

[strong forum]

ye griff you keep posting those emotes, and i dont understand it, sorry

[chilly brook]

“Accidentally”

[uneven mason]

its more or less so I can control the pulls

[chilly brook]

I literally just explained it @strong forum

[fathom field]

Anyone else think the ignore pain azerite trait sucks?

[strong forum]

ye na but i mean the emotes themself

[chilly brook]

Issa meme

[grim prism]

Yep

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[strong forum]

ye i dont get the meme

[chilly brook]

^facepalm

[uneven mason]

It kinda does, kinda doesn't

[prisma crane]

🤦

[strong forum]

female facepalm + male symbol

[prisma crane]

it's the same thing

[uneven mason]

its nice from a rage efficiency point

[strong forum]

great meme

[fathom field]

strength in numbers seems super strong it procs all the time

[chilly brook]

You’re great at parties aren’t you? 😑

[strong forum]

ye but whats the male symbol for

[prisma crane]

for 💪

[strong forum]

okay

[prisma crane]

lol

[fathom field]

There a party in my pantalones

[chilly brook]

For the toxic masculinity that prot embodies

[prisma crane]

oh man

[fathom field]

Pantlorezza for you italians

[uneven mason]

I Know several lady tanks

[chilly brook]

Oh here we go

[fathom field]

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance lesbian

[prisma crane]

i don't know you well enough to know if you're /s or not, so... im gonna move on

[uneven mason]

And we're like the least toxic tank

ever

[chilly brook]

Why would anyone actually say any of that seriously

[prisma crane]

it's 2018, i've learned not to be surprised

[chilly brook]

Or rather any normal person

[uneven mason]

You stick around as long as I have here, you find some interesting things.

[prisma crane]

i've been here since...

hmm

[fathom field]

Can y'all link your characters here? id like to see some from ppl who know what they are doing

cause I dont

[chilly brook]

Sure if you wanna see fury gear

[uneven mason]

No, because then Corejo will stalk me and murder me repeatedly

[strong forum]

my name is unique, can look me up

[prisma crane]

june 19th, 2017

[strong forum]

month before day monkaS

i smell a murican

[prisma crane]

2017-06-19 is best way imo

[uneven mason]

Does it track from your first join date? or just the most recent?

[mystic ferry]

Guys, is prot warrior squishy relative to other tanks?

[strong forum]

😅

[prisma crane]

i just checked my first message

[uneven mason]

cause a while back my daughter got ahold of my phone and left 100% of my servers.

RIP

[strong forum]

dd/mm/yyyy is best format

[prisma crane]

@mystic ferry not if played properly

[chilly brook]

I wish saved gear sets would be available to look at on the armory 😑

[prisma crane]

i prefer yyyy/mm/dd because it'll always be chronological order

at least if you're placing dates on files and stuff

[mystic ferry]

@prisma crane when mass pulling, if shieldwall/LT isnt up i get fucked pretty hard

[prisma crane]

SB

[uneven mason]

11/16/2016

[mystic ferry]

ya, still get destroyed tho

[fathom field]

Shockwave fixes that!

[prisma crane]

i have 33k posts since my start

i talk too much

[strong forum]

i wanna check too, hmu how

[prisma crane]

top right "from: ______"

type your name

you can specify by date or channel etc

[fathom field]

I wonder if the shockwave talent works with women. Like if she comes 3 times my cooldown is reset.

[prisma crane]

for you, 5,477 posts in this discord

oof, screw, i'll give you an A for effort... but idk...

[strong forum]

i joined like.. when, february?

[fathom field]

If I hit three targets....

[strong forum]

thats decent i guess

whenever i got beta access i think

[chilly brook]

Got an hour until class

[prisma crane]

about 28k of my posts where in a 4 month span

[chilly brook]

Guess it’s time to break out the switch and play some Skyrim

[strong forum]

monkaS

[prisma crane]

lol, i try to help when i can, and i have free time at work

also, i tend to break up my posts into shorter posts

so that pads a bit (not intentional, just something that plays a factor)

[uneven mason]

Oh hrm

does it count posts from deleted chan?

[prisma crane]

i don't believe so, would have to ask an admin

[chilly brook]

I just post to try and pass time in class or between classes

[uneven mason]

cause most of what I did over the past year was the BFA channels haha

[strong forum]

if so i would have a billion more cuz #bfa-protection was the good shit

[uneven mason]

yeah

[prisma crane]

i think i remember @undone sun mention there was a way to check, but idk

[uneven mason]

they're gone

I'd have like 50,000 posts probably

[prisma crane]

i went a lot less active towards the end of legion, i just figured i'd play it all when it goes live

[chilly brook]

Hmmm Skyrim or LA Noire?

[uneven mason]

Skyrim

LA Noire does not involve Shields and yelling.

[prisma crane]

tbh Fortnite's been my jam lately

[chilly brook]

I can get behind fortnite but only on my switch

[uneven mason]

🤢 Fortnite - Minecraft the FPS

[chilly brook]

Can’t be bothered to play on pc

[regal island]

League fftw

[prisma crane]

switch players, omg, i'd love to be in that lobby, they're so bad

[regal island]

panth reminds me of my prot war

[fathom field]

Anyone use dragon roar for kiting?

[regal island]

just with titangrip & polarm

[prisma crane]

but @uneven mason i used to think the same, but man, it's a lot of fun, ppl give it a lot more shit than it deserves

[chilly brook]

@prisma crane you’re not wrong

[uneven mason]

I use a Frost mage

[fathom field]

lol

[uneven mason]

Because UF is just too strong

[fathom field]

ya

[regal island]

yeah for the times you don't kite

[uneven mason]

DR isn't reliable either, it fades before it has a chance to work

BTW with Crackling Thunder you can Thunderclap mobs while kiting them

just saying

[regal island]

^ yep

only reason i take it tbh

well that and motherlode

[uneven mason]

its how I hold aggro while doing big packs

[fathom field]

How much rage do you actually need to generate if you are just using up once per pull to avoid capping it?

[regal island]

all the rage you can?

[chilly brook]

WTB 1h Spears

Why do games never do this

[regal island]

wtb titangrip for prot

[chilly brook]

Ever

[strong forum]

pls dont helbrute

[chilly brook]

I could get down with that

[strong forum]

titangrip is as bad as it is, dont do that shit with prot

[regal island]

the stats alone would be worth it

[chilly brook]

Titans grip is love dude

[strong forum]

titan grip is for kids

imo

LoOk aT mY bIg WeApOnS

[chilly brook]

“Hey I’m 70 years old and can’t appreciate anything outlandish anymore”

[strong forum]

sO cOoL

na dude i think its silly since its been introduced and hated fury ever since

[chilly brook]

I mean fury is all about being a huge mongo

[strong forum]

its the equivalent of having "killer/shadow/dark/evil" in your name

[chilly brook]

That’s kinda the point

[regal island]

it was introduced because of DK frost spec basically being identical to fury without titangrip.

[fathom field]

Anyone do beach head and go afk for 10 minutes only to come back to an army of crabs and birds?

[regal island]

i'd argue prot needs it because otherwise we're identical to prot paladins.

[ancient sage]

so, this i s prolly an old question

[strong forum]

early frost DK was tank spec though

and blood was damage

[regal island]

lol no

[ancient sage]

but why isnt prot warrior on bloodmallet?

[strong forum]

yes it was

[regal island]

wotlk 0/29/32 was the dps spec

[uneven mason]

All 3 specs were tank or DPS depending on the talents you took Nom..

[chilly brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIREcQl1EX4

All I can think of

[regal island]

1/2 frost 1/2 unholy and originally all DK specs were tank specs, you just has the "presence"

[chilly brook]

When someone brings up beachhead

[twin hazel]

how do you find the sound files... I want the Torga! NooooOooOoOo sound

[chilly brook]

Gotta do some file digging

Oh boi

The song is already on Spotify

[uneven mason]

@ancient sage Because Bloodmallet is a DPS site right?

[chilly brook]

😂

[regal island]

There just aren't any prot sims

[uneven mason]

Right now Protection has no working simC

so we can't sim for DPS

[regal island]

because it's trash spec and no one cares

[ancient sage]

but it has all the other classes prot specs?

[pastel sleet]

I just joined back hoping someone in here would do me the favor of telling me Prot warrior isnt bad. I'd like to feel better please.

[uneven mason]

and you can't technically sim for survival in a real world situation

[chilly brook]

Ikar literally just explained it @ancient sage

We have no sim

[twin hazel]

how hard can it be to make an api that says just Tclap and revenge

[uneven mason]

Killerant its because no one has bothered todo Protections DPS sims

Because there is no point

I mean there is a little ponit

but its small enough that its a really really small blip on the radar

[ancient sage]

fair enough

[strong forum]

im pretty sure sal said something about the backend API being fucked

so its not possible currently

[uneven mason]

I have the things that need ot be fixed but you know, I haven't been fired yet so I can't fulfil my promise of rebuilding the api :p

[regal island]

sims would
A) get prot nerfed
B) get prot aoe nerfed
C) get IP put on a 12 sec cd and 3 sec gcd
D) all of the above

[fierce juniper]

Prot isn't properly implemented in SimC itself

[strong forum]

the IP part is exaggerated but the rest is true

[uneven mason]

Like' BFA Protection isn't a thing for SimC is a better way to put it. we don't exist.

[strong forum]

too strong to calculate

[uneven mason]

sadly the cat will be out

soon enough

when Logs start hitting live data

[strong forum]

im interested to see next weeks patchnotes

dis gun change a lot i reckon

[pastel sleet]

yes

[uneven mason]

Ok everyone doing HC, don't use bolster, spec HR, we'll get a buff!

[regal island]

I'd kinda like prot to get ranged weapon slot back and some ranged attacks besides heroic throw

[grim prism]

1H fury was dope

[sick sentinel]

: >

[vagrant cape]

shield and pistol best warrior

[solid granite]

double pistol fury.. wait no thats Salvador..

[worldly warren]

I've searched several sites regarding stat weights, and I can't seem to get a consistent answer. This is the most common: Haste > Versatility > Ctir > Strength. Is that right?

[cinder nova]

[open bluff]

...is that a noxxic priority

That looks like a noxxic priority

[worldly warren]

I did, but IV is differnt from Wowhead, which is different from things on MMO Champ

[open bluff]

MMO

[dusk locust]

we're generally going by the icy veins one

[cinder nova]

IV is the repository Skyhold uses as well as skyhold.gg

[open bluff]

^

[stark sage]

the IV priority is basically haste > verse = mastery > crit > str

but note, stam and armor is very important

so you generally just pick ilvl

[cinder nova]

Only time you worry about secondaries is rings atm

Even then what's the current disparity where stam takes over?

15?

[stark sage]

if that

secondaries are close enough as is

better optimization is not always worth even 5 ilvls

[worldly warren]

kk ty for the insight!

[dusk locust]

i have a close call with a 345 and 340, where the 340 has haste and avoidance and the 345 does not. still not quite sure what's correct there. but generally you go for ilvl regardless

[blissful imp]

Same deal kauda. 104 haste or 5 item levels worth of stats.....

[dusk locust]

i haven't had the time to sit down and math it out, but all of this gear is disappearing next week so meh

[jaunty reef]

Elemental Whirl or Lifespeed?

[cinder nova]

@jaunty reef

[primal crypt]

[cinder nova]

It's in there.

[jaunty reef]

Did not know, thanks

[cinder nova]

http://prntscr.com/kosd39

[jaunty reef]

Yeah, still looking for it

[fierce juniper]

It's in the Icy Veins guide on the azerite page

all the traits are ranked there and such

[jaunty reef]

Middle Ring traits, gotcha

Thanks 😄

[summer dock]

hello anyone here with 75 in blacksmithing? 😄

[grim prism]

Nope

[vagrant cape]

is there a penalty for leaving specific dungeons mid-dungeon? I only want to do them up to the boss that can drop a shield

[uneven mason]

Beyond becoming known as a douche, no not really (deserter debuff possibly?)

If you mena mythic

[vagrant cape]

Is that the thing that stops you re-queueing?

I mean specific heroic queues

[uneven mason]

Oh, well you can't requeue for a boss you've already killed on a specific queue

and yes

that is what stops you from requeuing

So heroics have a daily lockout, unless you do them through the random group finder

[vagrant cape]

right, but if I only want one boss, there's no penalty for killing the second boss, leaving, and queueing for another specific heroic?

[uneven mason]

A different one yes.

same one you'd be locked too unless you got it randomly

[vagrant cape]

that's kinda fuckd up, but ti works in my favor

[uneven mason]

I guess?

I mean......you get goodies for finishing the dungeon

and if you're a tank, just random queue and collect your 1000g + 2 - 4 runes (another 4 grand unless you keep em)

[vagrant cape]

I didn't realize they were worht that much

but only 1/2 of the dungeons have a shield drop

[grim prism]

@vagrant cape you wont get deserter if you kill the first boss, but there is a cooldown on joining instances in the first place

[vagrant cape]

and if I end up in the bad half, it's a waste of time

[grim prism]

So you might end up being locked out for several minutes regardless

[vagrant cape]

luckily, I don't think any boss that drops a shield aside from rezan can be killed first

[uneven mason]

its a 15min CD

not clearing heroics in 15min in 2018 😕

[vagrant cape]

I do a lot of dps, but not that much

[uneven mason]

Pull bigger

[digital arrow]

:stankyTHINK:

🤔

[vagrant cape]

I'm gonna time my next one

I'm curious now

[uneven mason]

"The Balsaq school of tanking- Lesson 1: Pull Bigger you pleb"

[prisma crane]

@strong forum i'd like TG for prot for one simple reason, i prefer weapons that back sheath about 100x to those that do not

the rest idc that much about

[uneven mason]

Xmog your artifact?

or get a Slayer of Lifeless 😄

[prisma crane]

there's several that sit on your back

[uneven mason]

But I'd like prot to get 2h

[prisma crane]

but most that do i do not like

[uneven mason]

Because than I would only need one fucking weapon

(two if I go fury, but its still a 2hs)

[prisma crane]

lately i've been just using the CM axe, since when it goes fire it matches my set perfectly

otherwise i stick to my mug since it's hidden when sheathed without being a fist weapon

[solemn badger]

hey guys, does anyone have some current stat weights. I am seeing some conflicting info between pawn, icy, and some other guides

[prisma crane]

we dont have weights

just a priority

follow the prio on the IV guide

[uneven mason]

Which is almsot 100% of the time going to be item level

Like, our stats are really close together, even on rings, a haste vers ring probably isn't worth using over a mastery crit ring because the raw stam gives you more benefit than the gap between the 2ndaries

POSSIBLY 5 ilvls

[prisma crane]

the gap on rings for ilvl drop is greater than other items

no str, no armor

[uneven mason]

right

[prisma crane]

100% worth the haste over crit at 5 ilvls

and i'd take it at 10-15 personally

[uneven mason]

for raiding I'd probably agree

[prisma crane]

afaik, the only thing that scales off of our HP is LS, no?

[uneven mason]

I mean, High Haste vs low Crit~

Right, HP is still important heh

[prisma crane]

well yea

[uneven mason]

and its not that crit is worthless

[prisma crane]

but without armor and STR, idc as much

[uneven mason]

its just that it isn't reliable

haste is strongest because haste will always do what haste does 100% of the time.

[prisma crane]

well

haste gets less effective as you get more (relatively speaking) and vers actually gets stronger the more you have (defensively)

if looking at effect, mastery vers and haste all do what they do all the time

[uneven mason]

Right, well I mean when you come down to it, Crit becomes our strongest defensive stat at 100%

[prisma crane]

vers at 200% is better

[uneven mason]

that too

ALthough I don't think vers removes damage totally (you always take 1)

but it works for all damage

[prisma crane]

i'm not sure if that's true, has anyone hit 100% dmg reduction from vers to prove it?

and even if 1, at w/e your HP would be, might as well be 0

[uneven mason]

probably not, but vers is a multiplicative function on the damage we take iirc.

[cinder nova]

You always take 1 damage.

Only way to not take that 1 damage is to absorb, block, or any other function that can remove/mitigate damage flatly.

[uneven mason]

So unless there is something in there that allows the game to round to 0 rather than 1 when there is a remainder.

[cinder nova]

I don't think WoW will ever round down, no.

[uneven mason]

yeah I mean its all rhetorical

[prisma crane]

there isnt a remainder (mathematically) when you reduce something by 100%

if the game wont allow you to take less than 1 then sure, but 100% of a value is the full value

[cinder nova]

Krotos it's not really 100%

[grim prism]

But if you keep multiplying by nonzero decimals

You never reach 100%

[cinder nova]

It'll never reach zero is the problem.

And that's why it's not 100% even if your tooltips say otherwise.

While it's old, there are buffs from 3.3.5a servers that provide you with 100% DR

[grim prism]

Zeno's Paradox brah

[cinder nova]

And those basically just drop the damage to 1.

[prisma crane]

but my point is, if i hit 200% vers, (excluding the game hiding a limiter) you'd take no dmg

[cinder nova]

So it could have changed between then and now, but nothing seems to indicate otherwise.

But you wouldn't.

That's like saying you wouldn't hit the ground if earth didn't provide any gravitational pull

The point made is irrelevant.

[mellow kestrel]

Hey all I checked pins but is there an Azerite Armor BiS with Traits list?

[prisma crane]

you missed the pin that points you towards the IV guide

[grim prism]

I havent seen it

[prisma crane]

there's no list, but it shows you which items have which

[grim prism]

He means an actual list of gear, not just traits

[signal plover]

They used to have a list but they changed it to allow some flexibility

[inland mesa]

So you would take 350 ilvl gloves and cloak that are crit Vers over say 345 haste mastery ones because of the str and stam? I know IV says ilvl but wasn't sure if the 5 ilvl drop was worth it

[signal plover]

U can filter the list by traits

[grim prism]

Yep

[vagrant cape]

holy fuck a 24 minute atal dazar. with a wipe on the totem boss because the dps didn't know how to do the fucking fight. holy moly.

[uneven mason]

str stam and armor

[grim prism]

Primary stats are primary for a reason

[cinder nova]

What azerite armor you need isn't terribly critical tbh

Just make sure you have crash

[grim prism]

^

[cinder nova]

And aim for brace and fortress

[uneven mason]

Armor slots you will probably always take ilvl

[cinder nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

atal or KR?

[vagrant cape]

atal

[mellow kestrel]

Yea I am trying to figure out which ilvl 340 azerite gear is best by traits

[vagrant cape]

heroic

[uneven mason]

but yeah the reduced to zero, or 100% reduction is the dichotomy paradox iirc

[vagrant cape]

I wanna die

[mellow kestrel]

I have a bunch of stuff

[cinder nova]

I think he means the zombie dire troll

[prisma crane]

ohhh, yea

[uneven mason]

its a nifty little exercise in computer science.

[mellow kestrel]

Ive got 4 different 340 ilvl shoulders, 3 chests and 2 helms. Not sure which ones are best for Prot

[uneven mason]

pick one DC, and then whatever are the best of the other 2

[blissful imp]

1 booty clap, the other 2 whatever's clever.

[grim prism]

^ pin this

[prisma crane]

@uneven mason that dichotomy paradox assumes that each point of vers is multiplicative on itself, which it isnt

[grim prism]

Too much big word make me ragecap

Must shout and angryclap

[blissful imp]

Why use many dps skill when few booty clap work?

[sick sentinel]

[grim prism]

Why have I not noticed this Jim guy before

This guy knows his shit

[wide juniper]

gonna try 1 booty clap and two bloodsports I think soon

[prisma crane]

@grim prism btw, you mentioned multiplying by many non-zero decimals, vers doesnt work that way

anyways, i'm done, just got off on a tangent lol

[blissful imp]

I actually like Bloodsport, it's pretty good for carrying people in M0. Running a piece of Bloodsport with azerite veins and have healed myself for more than a few healers have in KR

[grim prism]

Yeah i didnt realize the premise was stacking 200% vers

Because that would be ridiculous

Lol

[wide juniper]

that's what I'm hoping for

[uneven mason]

does both portions of Bloodsport stack?

the absorb and leech?

[wide juniper]

From my understanding

obvs just not the duration

[shut summit]

They stack

[uneven mason]

alrighty

not that I plan on seeking them out

but its good to know

Sense you gonna be streaming HC nextweek?

[shut summit]

Ye

[twin hazel]

Is ablative shielding what makes Skycorcher pauldrons BiS or is brace for impact just that good

Cuz these Honorbound Centurions shoulderplates i have with bloodsport + azerite veins seems pretty great

[prisma crane]

@grim prism ridiculous, hell yea lol, but a fun idea, though content would be trivial, enrages wouldnt even matter, ha

[undone sun]

@twin hazel likely because it has 3 really good traits on it defensively, Brace + Ablative + Gemhide

[twin hazel]

Mine have gemhide or impassive visage as the 3rd

Azerite veins is just amazing

[blissful imp]

It doesn't proc as often as I'd like

[twin hazel]

i mean its 30% of my healing

more then IP

being able to switch between impassive visage and gemhide too seems like a good reason to use it as well

gives me more of a reason to press IP as well

Or you can pick up Glory in battle for first ring for the haste and crit proc

[prisma crane]

does the the prydaz-like trait put a bubble around your toon?

[twin hazel]

believe it does

[prisma crane]

im never picking that

[twin hazel]

whats great about Azerite veins though too is on your meters its actual healing shown since its effect goes off when youre topped off

[undone sun]

i don't recall seeing the bubble

it definitely doesn't make the sound like Prydaz did in early legion

[twin hazel]

trying it on now

the one piece i have with it

resounding protection? no sound no bubble

theres another shield one though isnt there?

[regal island]

Yeah for self sustain those self heals go a long way on prot warrior being already a MIT focused tank

[twin hazel]

im hating levleing my paladin right now because it takes no damage...

sitting at 44% block not getting hit. warrior leveling was a struggle

[regal island]

honestly fury with bladestorm is the way to lvl

just murder packs of 10+ all the way to 120

it actually feels weird having so much self healing as fury then so little as prot

[twin hazel]

yah just give us bloodthirst drop devastate

lol

[frosty wedge]

I did that as prot, i just pulled whole camps

[twin hazel]

when i did that as prot i feared for my life

[frosty wedge]

pfft, just have to kill one before you get suuuuper low, lol

[twin hazel]

yah

and sometimes you wouldnt

lol

[frosty wedge]

lol I don't think I ever had that happen

stuns, cooldowns, etc

[regal island]

yeah victory rush heals are legit

[open gull]

Hey prot guys. Whats your take on the Prot warrior as it is right now. What do you think, blizzard has in its sleeves for tweaks next week? if any

[twin hazel]

but i guess for leveling IV would have worked better

[regal island]

I think prot would play well if it had Second Wind

would make kiting super legit

[twin hazel]

if we had any sort of heal

wed be fine

[regal island]

well we have victory rush as a heal even a talent

it just is kinda limp

[open gull]

what about traits. Azurite veins and impassive visage?

[twin hazel]

they are great but we need somethign in our kit

[supple mist]

I guys, just a quick question... I used to tank a lot during Legion up until the final raid, so I wondered if there's a "quick intro to tanking in BFA for legion tanks"?

[frosty wedge]

read the pinned messages/posts

[twin hazel]

its the same

just IP on the GCD

[supple mist]

Ah, thanks mate

[regal island]

I mean Frenzied regen is 18% heal with 36 sec cd where as impending victory is 20% every 30 sec

not saying it's good but compared to bear self heals it's not horrible

It just doesn't compete at all on that row

[supple mist]

It seems that it's very close given the talents from icy-veins, but that it focuses more on DMG output... is that right?

[uneven mason]

Warriors don't function through self healing?

[supple mist]

previously the focus was to keep IP up and work with swing timers (until that was changed too)

[regal island]

Well i'd agree with you but some of our talents and AZ traits do infact function via self healing.

[uneven mason]

@open gull Once you get over the initial hump of getting a solid shield protection is the most tanky tank there is right now. I'm not expecting anything beyond possibly a nerf to our damage output (probably not tho)

[daring marlin]

man

If they nerf our avatar claps they better compensate

[uneven mason]

@supple mist IP is less of a constant ability you need to keep up 100% but rather something you hit to smooth damage out combined with your other CDs.

[open gull]

uh oh. I dont have any problems tanking at all right now. Mythic is easy as it is. But however. I do find it hard to see the future for higher m+ push as it is right now. the dmg mitigation is just not as tempting as other tank classes

[daring marlin]

Prot Paladins still do disgusting damage.

[uneven mason]

Nerf UF claps -makes Ravager do arms level damage

If we're on that chopping block so would paladins more or less

But tbh I'm not expecting any tank changes

[supple mist]

thanks ikarikaze

[uneven mason]

all of them are in a soild slot

[open gull]

I like the prot warrior right now. its fun, fast, mobile and can easy handle the current encoutners. Im just looking a bit forward, and trying to find out, what people think should be changed. 😉

[uneven mason]

except for VDH, they need some help

[daring marlin]

Not sure. They just do better consistent damage than Warrior.(without CDs)

[uneven mason]

I think we're just dandy

[daring marlin]

Yep.

[uneven mason]

a shift in our talents to have more than 1 viable option would be groovy

[daring marlin]

Only thing I’d really like is DS off GCD. Other than that? I’m cool.

[uneven mason]

DS feels impactful as long as you have BV

[signal plover]

I'd do IP off GCD and that's it.

[daring marlin]

I know.

[signal plover]

But now that I've played with it a bunch

[uneven mason]

I can see if we didn't have BV hitting DS would feel like cardboard sheets

[open gull]

IP off CD, and maybe a rage reduction. Its competing too much against Shield block. dont you think?

[daring marlin]

IP off the GCD would be neat.

[regal island]

I'd swap impending victory and never surrender but buff impending to compensate

[uneven mason]

"swap our 2 worst talents - buff one to compensate" - Why? So they can not be competitive on different tiers?

[regal island]

bad in 1 row isn't necessarily bad in another

[uneven mason]

moving two piles of shit to different locations still means you have two piles of shit.

[regal island]

pile of shit in my living room is bad, pile of shit in my garden is good.

[uneven mason]

NS doesn't compete because its a horribly constructed talent that actually has no impact on your survivability, IV versus bolster still loses, IV loses to Indomitable by a mile and then some, they'd still be bad heh

[grim prism]

Putting IP off GCD wont make the spec more engaging

[regal island]

Well yes NS should be absorb upto 100% dmg per hit based off health % and probably keeping it's existing effect as well.

[grim prism]

Youd just be mashing it on top of your rotation

Would it be less clunky? Sure. But honestly I'd rather have avatar off-GCD than IP

[uneven mason]

NS needs something like "doubles the value of ignore pain - increases the absorbtion amount by up to 80% depending on your missing health, capping at 20%"

[regal island]

yeah having to precast avatar before a pull feels weird

[uneven mason]

that way Ignore pain would 1 be really strong 2 be able to save you in O SHIT Moments (80% Increase is 90% absorbed)

[grim prism]

Even if I use it to maximum effectiveness it still feels like I wasted a global

[uneven mason]

That way IP's function doesn't change a whole lot

but if you are in danger of dying

[regal island]

@uneven mason literally just said above

[uneven mason]

IP becoems incredibly strong

[grim prism]

I still really liked the suggestion of removing the cooldown on Rev entirely

[uneven mason]

Yes i know, I told you that idea last time you came up with some idea involving NS

[grim prism]

That way procs dont feel like they are inhibiting AM and we have a legitimate DPS-based spender

[uneven mason]

Best served cold - Revenge has no CD - refunds 6 rage per target hit after the first

[regal island]

eh AM will be nerfed

we all know it

[uneven mason]

AM has been like this for an Xpac

[wide juniper]

We do?

[regal island]

it happened in legion to basically prot & arms once

[uneven mason]

Chances are they're totally content with prots talents

[grim prism]

AM wont get nerfed

[uneven mason]

I'm content with prots talents

I mean it'd be neat to get something that gives us some situational flexibility

[regal island]

it was nerfed last time because it was #1 talent for both spec, and that's going to repeat itself

[uneven mason]

but more or less protection has an incredibly strong kit

They seem content to leave it there

it makes sense

if anything they'd nerf the talents that AM synergizes with.

which would be a way to nerf AM

[regal island]

it might make it to 8.2 tuning pass

[uneven mason]

AM is only strong because of the rest of the tree

[grim prism]

I wish we had more than one viable build, but frankly theyve got bigger fish to fry than "fixing" a spex that is already perfectly viable but not OP up through m0- e.g. fixing feral, finishinf spriest

[uneven mason]

^^

Tuning enhance

[wide juniper]

Feral was fucked.

[grim prism]

I think prot will continue to not get any attention or communication from Blizz all expac. Lol

[regal island]

feral is like 2.5% of active players

[uneven mason]

I'm ok with this

[regal island]

they just didn't care

[wide juniper]

K

[uneven mason]

Feral is low visibility because its both bad and not easy to play

[grim prism]

They broke it so badly that they were forced to care

[uneven mason]

if it was either fun, or strong it would be played more

[grim prism]

Lmao

[uneven mason]

so they went with strong

[regal island]

Pretty much it's one of the more complex dps rotations, and even played perfectly is bottom tier dps

[uneven mason]

rather than I dunno making the least fun spec, more fun

but someone has to be last

[grim prism]

So they went with an aoe damage buff without fixing the fact that they are clunky as shit and permastarved for energy

[uneven mason]

Elemental shamans are just sad its now going to be them

[grim prism]

ThAnKs bLiZz

[regal island]

they buffed energy regen 10% and cut energy costs and are tuning blood talons so it might be viable

don't expect it in any world firsts though

[uneven mason]

They should probably give bear

a bit of a damage tune as well

[regal island]

bear is top tank ST dps

like 10k

[uneven mason]

which is why I rip aggro off them when I'm fury?

ok

[regal island]

then they play bad

most tanks don't realize taunt increases threat gen for duration now

[grim prism]

Damn is bear really 10k ST?

[regal island]

and try to setup initial agro without a taunt and then get it ripped off

[grim prism]

Rumor I heard was catweave bear/resto does more melee damage than actual ferals right now

[grim prism]

Weow

Meanwhile I get outdamaged by a goddamn disc priest in ST

[maiden brook]

Isn't that configured to be nearly 100% catweaving though?

[regal island]

nah that sim is 0% cat

so with catweave expect higher

[grim prism]

Id imagine not if its so similar to the other tank specs

[regal island]

a catweave would probably put them 13-14k if i had to guess

[grim prism]

I have absolutely nothing to base this on but i wouldnt be surprised if a good catweaver could outdamage the average spriest

Assuming they dont die

[regal island]

they could probably out damage a feral too

[grim prism]

Lol

[uneven mason]

Well you convinced me Helbrute, Ima go roll Guardian, gotta do that extra offtank DPS

[regal island]

a poorly played feral is like negative dps

[grim prism]

Is there any other kind of feral right now?

[twin hazel]

but guardian is boring

[regal island]

yeah i'm leveling my druid now too. Mainly because i need an alt, already have my warrior at 343 and druid is like a perfect alt class

[grim prism]

Aside from the fact that they suck?

[regal island]

that and zalandari troll druids sound fun

[twin hazel]

well 4 different playstyles 2 are actually fun/viable

you could go with anything at that point

[grim prism]

I feel like I havent seen many rdruids this expac

[uneven mason]

thanks Method ranking vids

[regal island]

i havent had 1 rdruid healer in mythic yet

[uneven mason]

I've got 4 in my guild

[regal island]

all disc priests mostly

[twin hazel]

ive seen a lot of druids

[uneven mason]

they're pretty damn strong

[twin hazel]

mostly boomkins

[vagrant cape]

I made this list of azerite traits from all the icyveins guides. It's the reference I'm using if y'all wanna look at it.

[covert tangle]

Hey, I should prioritize Shield Block over IP?

[regal island]

always

[stuck oxide]

in general, yes

[regal island]

unless you're not getting meleed lol

[vagrant cape]

depends on the fight, kilian. If it's magic heavy, IP is better. If you're capped on SB charges or facing any amount of blockable damage, use SB

[stuck oxide]

but if a magic attack will hit you... shield block will do nothing

[regal island]

or saving it for a boss mechanic

basically don't blow your load early and wind up with no SB when you get in deep

thats how babies are made man.

[covert tangle]

Thanks

[native coyote]

TIL: how babies are made

[ember arrow]

Wat

[grim prism]

@covert tangle the guide in the pins has all the basic info, but basically you want to use Shield Block and Last Stand to minimize melee damage intake, cast Demo Shout more or less on cooldown to reduce ALL damage and keep rage high, and keep IP running to absorb what is left over and keep Anger Management running

Oversimplified rotation ofc, but the inportant takeaway is that IP is NOT your primary mitigation

It just supplemental

[covert tangle]

Okey, so i go read it cause i first time warrior 😃 thx

[grim prism]

Using the talents in the guide is pretty important, its really our only viable build right now

[ember arrow]

Ignore pain ironically doesnt ignore pain that much

[grim prism]

Any questions just let us know

[wide juniper]

ironically?

[regal island]

Well I mean lets actually think about it. Block vs a mob my lvl is like 35% Like 30% vs a boss, where as IP is 50% up to X. So realistically IP is better mitigation if you factor zero RNG such as crit blocks

[grim prism]

Well

You should have both running if youre the active tank

Obviously

[covert tangle]

well for now its not much cause im leveling. But i hope so tanking is not too hard at end game content

[grim prism]

Honestly it'll probably be harder at levels 116-119 than it is in endgame just based on stat scaling this expac lol

[regal island]

@covert tangle try leveling as fury man, it's a lot easier in my opinion.

[covert tangle]

For now i queue for dungs as a tank

but i find it quite boring

[grim prism]

What do you find boring

[regal island]

yeah do quests, dungeons aren't the greatest exp gain

[covert tangle]

i do today like 4 times dire maul ;p

[grim prism]

Yeah quests are much faster

[sick sentinel]

🛒

[grim prism]

And also you dont get stuck doing the exact same thing over and over if youre questing

Just very similar things, in different places

Lol

Go here, kill 12 of these, pick up 6 of these, use the 3 items, and then report back so I can have you kill the boss

Repeat several dozen times

And congrats youre 120

[covert tangle]

okay i will try it now

[wide juniper]

war, monk, and pally good to go. What do I level next?

DK, DH, or Druid?

[little star]

do /roll 1-3 in game

and there you go

[grim prism]

Spriest

[wide juniper]

tank classes only, mr scrote

I'll do 1-3 on a website here

1 = DK, 2 = DH, 3 = Drood

DH it is.

[solid granite]

this expac is broken.. every class wants haste en masse

[grim prism]

We still want ilvl > haste

But yeah kinda

[solid granite]

this is me atm https://i.imgur.com/9FcNaWa.jpg

[sick sentinel]

guys which 2 ?

both haste?

[vocal nimbus]

why the question?

rezan an emblem if you want dps

maybe even blockades