he can have his own room
#protection
uneven mason
Moral of the story - don't do mean shit - karma always catches up.
See this is what happens when folks don't make us 
every 15minutes
chilly brook
Totally off topic but I wish the switch had a better app economy
grim prism
They'll flesh it out next year I bet
They are focusing on rehashing a lot of major IPs this year
I'm fine with Mario Party and Super Smash taking precedence
frosty wedge
it'd be super fun if WQ rewards were any slot other than hands and feet, lol
grim prism
The 340 even has bis stats on it lol
grim prism
Pawn doesnt work for prot
vocal nimbus
you'd be better not using pawn
oblique quarry
Well simbots aint helpin
grim prism
There is a stat prio in the pins, but basically just ilvl > all
vocal nimbus
simc doesnt work for prot
oblique quarry
wait, where in the pins is stat prio
grim prism
The icyveins guide
vocal nimbus
prot warrior's simc is currently broken, none in the community can take care of it and its on the to-do-list of people from other community
grim prism
It was written by officers here and is up to date
calm sentinel
Was there ever a working simc for prot 🤔
vocal nimbus
you got wisely slapped
grim prism
AMR is really, really bad for tanks
oblique quarry
i also didnt tank last tier
grim prism
They use some bullshit metric called NPS that is very poorly defined
So poorly in fact that NPS doesnt even stand for anything
undone sun
Amr is really bad. Period.
chilly brook
@oblique quarry pawn a) doesn’t work for prot and b) is only worth following if you generate a pawn string every time you get a new upgrade
uneven mason
Which, if you're going to generate a new string, it means you're better off simming the upgrade anyway.
oblique quarry
so to what degree is ilvl > other stats
grim prism
Any
oblique quarry
NPS - not properly simmed
chilly brook
Always
grim prism
LOL
chilly brook
For prot always
grim prism
I like that
vocal nimbus
Unless you have an azerite piece with deafening crash trait
Any ilvl boost is an improvement
uneven mason
they asked "stats" does not compute with azerite 😄
grim prism
Yeah, you will want to have exactly one deafening crash trait at pretty much any cost
oblique quarry
I havent seen deafening yet
grim prism
Other than that, ilvl > all
uneven mason
Balsaq I napkin mathed it out a bit this morning
the 340 DC is beat marginally by a 385 peice
marginally
undone sun
I haven't seen one either, gut thats because of another reason 
grim prism
Rip
uneven mason
it was like 0.2% but thats just taking things on avg
vocal nimbus
i got myself a 340 DC
weary notch
beware, napkins are historically very bad at math
uneven mason
we'll need live data
but yeah if folks luck out and get a 385 DC Peice
that's probably going to be a "until the end of time"
grim prism
Ive upgraded to complementary serviette arithmetic
uneven mason
oh
grim prism
Please dont @ me pleb
chilly brook
@undone sun not playing warrior?
vocal nimbus
he is a cute pally now
uneven mason
Thyme likes his strawberry flavoring
grim prism
:bigdickping:
vocal nimbus
i went brm to have an easy life
indigo knot
Anyone have an idea for a macro that will cast thunderclap, and if it's on cool down cast devestate? Like a 2 in 1 filler button?
uneven mason
you can't
undone sun
🔨 throwing hammers like thor
🛡 throwing shields like captain America
uneven mason
macro 2 GCD abilities
undone sun
Protadin life
vocal nimbus
race?
uneven mason
@undone sun the humor in that is, neither of them have either of those in the MCU
Also why would you want to macro Devastate to
anything
ever.
grim prism
@indigo knot not possible, blizz intentionally made it so you cant do that
uneven mason
I mean my take on devastate is that if they removed it
without giving us a replacement
I don't think I'd really notice
vocal nimbus
^
weary notch
if they removed devastate people would whine about empty globals
grim prism
Lol
uneven mason
probably
vocal nimbus
warr doesnt have many empty globals
uneven mason
"I have as much dead air as Arms now WTF!"
indigo knot
I still cast it maybe once every 20 seconds in raids
undone sun
Most have empty globals now
grim prism
Theyd complain about empty globals while still saying IP needs to be off GCD
uneven mason
^^
undone sun
Especially with the average haste levels this early in the expac
weary notch
seriously, people. Man up and cast devastate once every 11 globals or so. It's not that bad
grim prism
And prot needs deathstrike
indigo knot
Got so used to my bars with legion that I can't get used to putting it on my bars anywhere as a filler
uneven mason
Tyger you CAN make a macro that uses a mod button
indigo knot
Shit ability
undone sun
Indeed
uneven mason
but not a situation button
indigo knot
Enlighten me
grim prism
/cast [mod:alt] devastate, thunder clap
Casts TC unless you have alt pressed
In which case it casts dev
Great way to condense keybinds
grim prism
I have ten abilities on two mouse buttons and a scrollwheel with mod macros
indigo knot
Thanks
grim prism
Its real nice
uneven mason
I bind everything to mouse
vocal nimbus
🤢
grim prism
Works pretty great with mouseover macros
vocal nimbus
🤢
grim prism
Being as shit as soulwalker 🤢
vocal nimbus
@ valkyr
vocal nimbus
😏
undone sun
Lol
vocal nimbus
im a seasoned fps player, cant get used to binding anything to the mouse
undone sun
I have a lot of mouse over macros but none are directly bound to my mouse
grim prism
Mainly i just ran out of room my left hand
uneven mason
I've done it.
vocal nimbus
🤦
uneven mason
why else have a 20button mouse?
vocal nimbus
heresy
grim prism
But also i feel like mouse binds are MORE important in fps lol
weary notch
I only have 2 mouse buttons on the side. They're bound to strafe right/left. Take that
grim prism
Now when you start talking 12 button mouses 🤢
uneven mason
its the only way I can play old FPS games
grim prism
You lose me
uneven mason
back when men were men, and FPS came in pseudo 3d
weary notch
"you lost me at hello"
grim prism
melee
uneven mason
reduces reaction time
grim prism
grenade
calm sentinel
@vocal nimbus SO true
grim prism
Do you play on a 600x800 CRT monitor for the latency reduction too, you contrarian scumbag?
vocal nimbus
no
i play on a 1920x1080 decent monitor
i dont like mouse binds
that doesnt mean i dont like resolution
grim prism
This guy I work with was telling me he wants to buy one of those mouse cable hangers to "reduce cable drag and improve performance"
Because some PUBG streamer uses one
signal plover
Maybe PUBG could just optimize their game...
vocal nimbus
To be fair they are doing that
grim prism
You could put RGB LEDs on a dog turd and this guy would put it on his desk and tell you why you're an idiot for not having one
signal plover
Well now we know why u spend time on prot warr discord during work
frosty wedge
I use a thumb button for taunt/throw with an alt mod
signal plover
Cuz that dude has shit under control
frosty wedge
that's about it
people have been sellign those ridiculous mouse bungees since I played CS 1.6
grim prism
Man
uneven mason
Balsaq I had a fw900 because of input latency on early LCDs
back when I played CS
my girlfriend at the time put a boot through it
frosty wedge
I had a mitsubishi diamondtron 19 inch CRT back inthe day for CS, lol
grim prism
I've been doing LAN parties since LAN parties were a thing, and I hadnt seen one of those dumb fucking things before last year
uneven mason
the Best monitor ever.
grim prism
Not gonna lie though, as many literally-thousands of hours as I've sunk into shooters, Descent will always be my favorite retro game
uneven mason
Oh man
chilly brook
What wa the discussion? Seems like I missed fun arguments and stuff
frosty wedge
painkiller is mine, haha
uneven mason
I've always been hung up between Descent, and Terminal Velocity
chilly brook
Is it people saying that wireless mice can’t be good?
uneven mason
Wireless mice suffer from microstutter - really bad if you're QuakeClan competitive
chilly brook
They haven’t for a long time
grim prism
No, we are discussing why you cant be good at gaming if you dont have a little stand on your desk to keep your mouse cable from touching the ground
uneven mason
ESI is a thing Balsaq
chilly brook
I mean partially true for FPS
uneven mason
most mouse cables don't use shielded wiring!
chilly brook
But for separate reasons
grim prism
Bro my desk is made of plastic
Dont give me that shit
I also have my computer set up inside of a faraday cage
chilly brook
You want a mouse bungee because it keeps the pull even, no difference in force required and it also means you’re not gonna get your wire hung up on anything
grim prism
See you lost me at "you want a mouse bungee"
chilly brook
If good wireless mice weren’t so expensive I’d just get one
I mean you do if you do FPS
In any serious capacity
grim prism
Because never once have I been like "man, this sure is a heavy mouse cable"
uneven mason
Gotta keep them from generating static through friction !!!! /s
chilly brook
It’s not about how “heavy” it is it’s about consistency
grim prism
And I have been playing shooters on the PC since half the people in here were shitting in diapers
uneven mason
I played FPS games before you used a mouse for them
chilly brook
Lol
grim prism
The majority of my cable is sitting loosely on my desk, we are talking literal orders of magnitude less resistance from the cable than is required to just slide the mouse on a surface
chilly brook
Idk playing on low sensitivity I move my mouse around a lot and I notice quite a bit of difference with it being in a bungee and not
chilly brook
400dpi boi
grim prism
Jesus christ
frosty wedge
good lord
chilly brook
You say that yet there are plenty of pros that do the same
grim prism
Id need a bungee too if I had to swing my arm across three feet of arc length to turn 90 degrees
uneven mason
800dpi
strong forum
i can do a 360 with a flick of the wrist
frosty wedge
@grim prism so you're saying bungees are useful then :p
strong forum
wtf is it with your giga slow speeds
uneven mason
I have big hands
grim prism
How else are you going to noscope
chilly brook
Who no scopes in siege
uneven mason
sorry you have small hands Nom
strong forum
what do small hands have to do with low AF dpi
chilly brook
More like a nice solution for keeping your desk looking nice and functional
I mean why would you only wrist aim
It’s objectively worse
chilly brook
Arm for large movement wrist for precise
grim prism
Why would you not do both
chilly brook
^
strong forum
kek
chilly brook
Look at any FPS pro they do both
chilly brook
Flicks they do with their arm
strong forum
i flick with my wrist
grim prism
Im not disagreeing that some FPS pros use mouse bungees
Im just disagreeing that their performance has ANYTHING AT ALL do do with it
chilly brook
Then again some pros use 1600 dpi
chilly brook
Anything that gives you more consistency is a good thing
grim prism
I heard the reason Dr Disrespect is so good is because he plays with a buttplug in to help him stay laser-focused
grim prism
Lmfao
strong forum
im just amazed he can keep his fucking act together for days on end
like how boring must his job be
playing BRs every fucking day for 10hrs or w/e
chilly brook
I love watching him though tbh
chilly brook
If you have decent buds BR is super fun to play
strong forum
kek
chilly brook
Solo it’s bleh
daring marlin
lol
chilly brook
I mean I’ve put over 900 hours into PUBG
grim prism
There is literally nothing else to talk about this week but bungees and buttplugs
chilly brook
But then again I’m the team captain for it for my school soooooo
strong forum
i played PUBG like 1hr, won my 1st solo and then quit
chilly brook
Edgy bois up in here
chilly brook
There’s your problem playing solo 😜
strong forum
TFW no friends that play games
vocal nimbus
when did a say that
strong forum
or have money for games
chilly brook
Oof
strong forum
other than me buying games for them
wide juniper
Any of you nerds use azeroth auto pilot?
grim prism
Ah fuck that was mikevictus
chilly brook
Anyways BR is pretty much here to stay
strong forum
but fuck fornite cough
chilly brook
Its kinda like when Id made doom everything after was a “doom clone”
strong forum
just gonna say that
frosty wedge
Haha, not "retro" but my fave old CPL worldtour game
vocal nimbus
painkiller its kinda old tho
chilly brook
BR is just the next natural evolution of the FPS genre
strong forum
its DayZ but fast
frosty wedge
fave retro would be like... commander keen or halloween harry, lol
strong forum
thats about it
chilly brook
It’s everything that was good about dayz without any of the fluff
But like I said it’s just the next evolution
strong forum
na, you dont give a shit in BR about your life
grim prism
Its an old game, and its a good game, but it was mentioned right after Descent and Terminal Velocity lol
chilly brook
There’ll be another one in a few years
uneven mason
14 years wowza
uneven mason
Blake Stone
strong forum
worms
uneven mason
Lemmings
chilly brook
I’d say PUBG is equivalent in how it’s affected the FPS market to CoD4
uneven mason
first FPS game I played was Battlezone on a IBM AT
chilly brook
Not to say PUBG maintained a great track record like CoD4
strong forum
Pubg is the WoW of BR
strong forum
literally made the genre mainstream and everybody is trying to copy it
and im sick of it
its so boring to watch
can fortnite just die
chilly brook
And here you are playing WoW 😜
strong zodiac
Pubg is fun tho
strong forum
so the good youtubers are coming back to good content
uneven mason
WoW is the EQ clone that worked.
strong zodiac
Also, wow isn't even the wow of mmos
strong forum
Pretty sure it is
grim prism
ESO is the WoW of MMOs
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
uneven mason
ESO 🤢
strong forum
Pretty sure WoW revolutionised MMOs
wide juniper
EQ/EQ2 ❤
chilly brook
Too bad no one else has been able to revolutionize them
strong forum
cuz everybody is trying to copy it
uneven mason
TFW you heard Bethesda and Zenimax were making a MMO based on one of their IPs right after projectile shitting allover Interplays attempts at making a Fallout MMO - announces ESO
strong forum
or rather was
chilly brook
Maybe because they’re all too busy trying to be like “ugh tab targeting is bad because....well...reasons”
uneven mason
Pretty sure EQ revolutionized MMOs, WoW just trimmed the fat
grim prism
Pruned*
uneven mason
"This game is great - what makes it bad - get rid of that"
old zephyr
What's EQ, i'm to young for this shit
wide juniper
EverQuest
uneven mason
EverQuest - what the wow devs played before they made wow
wide juniper
A fantastic game
old zephyr
Okay
chilly brook
That game where people sold their accounts for $10k
uneven mason
^^
wide juniper
Sold my EQ2 acct for 6k 😃
strong forum
selling accounts, DansGame
uneven mason
3rd Cloak of Flames on Fennin Ro - that's a new PC
chilly brook
I wonder how much my wow account would be worth with The Chosen on it 🤔
wide juniper
DansGame
wide juniper
You guys work at McDs?
chilly brook
Lol depends on who you ask plenty of people who couldn’t do it
strong forum
Chosen isnt worth alot, the Undying is
strong forum
only have Undying
old zephyr
What is that ?
strong forum
didnt raid 25 man
uneven mason
Clearing Naxxramas with no one dying that week
chilly brook
I wish I had actually done Chosen on a play toon
uneven mason
this was uh, hard.
strong forum
its WOTLK chosen equivalent
uneven mason
execept they nuked it
strong forum
but on 11 bosses and not 3
old zephyr
Okay
uneven mason
after that tier
strong forum
or how many naxx had
old zephyr
14 then
strong forum
TFW we did it randomly with 9 peeps and went for the undermanned achievement and got both kek
uneven mason
Dedicated Few
topaz ember
whats worth more the chosen or my account having tusks
uneven mason
still pissed that I was one acheivment away from the black proto
brave jetty
What's the most valuable single thing an account could have?
uneven mason
Safety dance
brave jetty
Scarab Lord?
strong forum
not old ones
uneven mason
through RPVP
brave jetty
That doesn't come close to Scarab Lord lol
uneven mason
yeah I suppose
strong forum
na i mean arena
topaz ember
I got the hordebreaker title from patch 5.3 so you could say my account is very rare
strong forum
pretty sure Rank 1 Arena titles are atleast same level of scarab if not higher
scarab was just "be there" wasnt it
brave jetty
What? No
uneven mason
You had to be ready to complete the quest
brave jetty
Literally 1 Scarab Lord per server lol
strong forum
didnt play vanilla so ye, started in TBC
brave jetty
Had to bet he one to finish the quest for the war effort
strong forum
After the gong quest is completed for the first time, the player who rang the gong for the first time and those who followed within eight hours would be the ones given the title.
8hr period of "be there"
so idk
after ofc completing the quest
uneven mason
No, you could get the title if you were ready to complete the quest
during the 10 hours following the gong
or 8 hours
but you all got em
However
since ENTIRE GUILDS were required to gather the shit to progress on this quest
it wasn't likely more than half a dozen folks were prepared.
However you could still do the quest chain
even after it was open
so when new realms were opened
people who were sitting at the last quest
strong forum
i'd still say old Rank1 titles are worth more since only 1 team per server got em, now its ofc changed to a flat top percentile
strong forum
TBC glad mounts are hands down the best mounts
my personal favourite is the vengeful
brave jetty
apparently there really aren't that many scarab lords that came after the original person hit the gong
strong forum
well not active anymore
pretty sure several hundred got the title
if not thousand
brave jetty
I meant as the late ones
frosty wedge
I was so close. Alliance on my realm finished it off when we were on the last phase of turn ins
would probably have beaten them if my offtank hadn't convinced like 5 of his friends to farm stuff for him instead so he could try to beat me to the title, lol
what realm was everyone on in vanilla?
brave jetty
Same as I am now, Tichondrius
I lost the roll on a Teebu's Blazing Longsword by like 2 in one of the server's first MC runs 😦
That's my sad almost-had vanilla story
frosty wedge
oh my sad almost had vanilla story is the one weekend in 8 months I missed raiding to go camping with some friends
topaz ember
i sold a teebu's i unboxed in a wod crate for like 40k
frosty wedge
came home and one of our rogues had a thunderfury.
both bindings dropped the one MC run I missed
I had one binding in my bags for like a year and a half before I finally got mine, lol
brave jetty
Actually, whatever happened to the account that had the artifact necklace drop from MC?
Can't get more rare than that
toxic wadi
How are you guys doing tanking in mythic dungeons? Struggling or okay?
frosty wedge
totally ok
strong forum
ez
brave jetty
Doing pretty okay
toxic wadi
Are there any videos of prot warriors tanking?
topaz ember
@toxic wadi i did all the dungeons with a 289 sheild the first reset and that was kinda hard but still did it
10x eaiser after a sheild dropped
frosty wedge
yeah, way easier with a new shield, but first week wasn't bad with the 300 I had
brave jetty
shield was the last thing i could replace
strong forum
bought 355 first week
modest dragon
I've got oswains in my bags right now. But idk. Thinking I'd rather just have a 340+ haste sheild from mythics and sell this one.
strong forum
was sick of not getti n1
grim prism
I was doing mythics with a 260 green for a min there
brave jetty
ran with a 273 shield until i was like fkn mid 330s ilvl
modest dragon
I'm at 337 Ilvl with a 300 sheild.
grim prism
@modest dragon I would.
modest dragon
Thanks @grim prism
brave jetty
took me about 20 runs of dungeons that dropped a shield to get one
modest dragon
Bis is from temple isn't it?
grim prism
You'll probably replace it in the first two weeks of M+ anyway
strong forum
i'd say from Atal, no?
frosty wedge
the one from Rezan?
strong forum
ye atal shield is way better than temple
frosty wedge
Yeah, way better - Atal is godly for warr upgrades, lol
the weap from the boss to the far right is also solid
strong forum
got 345 atal mace, its bis aswell
frosty wedge
nice
brave jetty
one of like....2 dungeons that can drop both a 1h and a shield and then has a good trinket too
frosty wedge
I bit the bullet and bought a 350 weap because I snagged it for like 150 the other night
modest dragon
Oswains 2pc bonus any decent for the increased block? I got this sheild gor 350g I wouldn't mind actually buying the boots if it was worth it.
strong forum
its not worth it
modest dragon
Should make bank on this sheild then 😎
grim prism
Its worth it if you organically got both pieces at a competitive ilvl, i sure af wouldnt spend gold on it tho
strong forum
no keep the shield?
the shield is BiS cuz ilvl > everything
just the set bonus isnt worth it
modest dragon
Yeah. That's what I'll do*
strong forum
ah ye, true
warm pebble
bis gear?
grim prism
modest dragon
Got really damn lucky. Been running sniper all week with no luck. Last night got oswains and rotating dagger. 350g and 300g.
frosty wedge
jesus
frosty wedge
I should start running sniper again.
modest dragon
That, on top of the killing I made with DMC... it's been a good launch. Never had ANYWHERE near this amount of gold.
RIP Darkmoon decks :(
grim prism
I got the hyena mount on literally the first quest i did in voldun
Also decks got buffed
calm sentinel
Got my oswains for 175, looks like our realm is somewhat cheaper 😃
grim prism
Blockades is gud now
strong forum
kek
i bought blockades like 4 days before the buff for 20k almost certain it was gonna get a buff
100% worth it
vocal nimbus
@strong forum did you do wanted quests?
strong forum
did everything ye, but its all good have 4 WQs left
its just... somewhat unnerving to see the 5 rep missing
modest dragon
I mean block is like 20k still on my server haha.
strong forum
yeah.. im surpised it hasnt risen in price to 150k again
modest dragon
I'd start crafting again but even fathoms is <130k . The other 3 are <21k.
Not worth the risk.
toxic wadi
I have a 300 shield, does a 320 shield make a noticeable difference?
grim prism
Yes
toxic wadi
Oh nice
grim prism
Increased block stat = increased damage reduction on blocks
You can see the exact percentage on the tooltip
toxic wadi
Kk
grim prism
(In char stats, not on the item itself)
toxic wadi
Kk
vagrant cape
My tool tip is busted and says I block 1539.00000% of damage
toxic wadi
Do the pins have stat weights for prot?
grim prism
They dont exist
vagrant cape
No
grim prism
Theres a stat prio, but its basically ilvl > all
strong forum
my tooltip is 4463.00% DR
toxic wadi
Oh ok
grim prism
Lmao
vagrant cape
#NoSelfSustain
little star
block so much it damages the boss
grim prism
b u t c a n y o u s t a g g e r t h o
vagrant cape
Honestly I heal quite a bit from the lesser azerite traits. They cover weaknesses in the spec pretty well
strong forum
i got 2x Azerite Veins its quite sexy
grim prism
Almost like prot is relatively balanced and the wow community at large are a bunch of groupthonking tards
Hmmm
vagrant cape
Let's not stoop to their level by calling them tards
They're just helping to ensure our already-fine spec gets buffed
grim prism
inb4 TC nerf
uneven mason
I'm concerned with that
because
if they buff us
and then actual live data rolls in
we're going to be like, demigod level mitigation
vagrant cape
This is blizzard balancing. No class can be in the limelight forever
We gotta take turns
uneven mason
we're not in the limelight, I want to keep it that way
strong forum
same
uneven mason
We're strong, but challenging
vagrant cape
"Better to have been buffed and nerfed than to have never been buffed at all. "
-Ion "Shakespeare" Hazzikostas
grim prism
Im just glad i cant play this spec in my sleep anymore
But that may just be because i still havent updated my WAs kappa
vagrant cape
I want to remove the revenge proc from the game.
It's stopping me from getting more CD reduction from AM
grim prism
Keep the proc, remove the cooldown
vagrant cape
That may also work
Or keep the proc and let it still reduce CD.
That's my pie in the sky
grim prism
Just give us stagger and deathstrike and LoH so we can be minimally competitive
Bliz pls
wide juniper
ill take grip
uneven mason
keep the proc, make AM work off of potential rage spent rather than actual rage spent
frosty wedge
what buffs hit blockades and when? I totally missed that news
uneven mason
like last week?
grim prism
Big ones a week ago
uneven mason
heal was buffed to a solid avg
although ever ytime I look at my fucking buff it says I got 72 stam
😡
frosty wedge
lol
ok yeah I noticed the healing was actually pretty solid, that's why I was confused as to why it needed another buff
strong forum
8 stack of blockades gives 583 stam and heals for 10.3k
thats the only stack i know the numbers of
vagrant cape
It feels like warriors should have a taunt that actually makes ranged enemies walk over. Like we taunt so well that the mage is like, "Fuck that guy I'm gonna punch his ass" rolls up sleeves
grim prism
inb4 silence glyph
vagrant cape
I guess it gets you some rage
wide juniper
If you can LSO
grim prism
LOS OP
wide juniper
LOS
vagrant cape
Los is my favorite. I hate it when dps FUCK IT ALL UP
grim prism
AKA every pug group ever
sick sentinel
heroic throw, spell reflect the first case, threat down, LOS.
wide juniper
I always tell my groups to not touch shit
sick sentinel
cast^
wide juniper
LEAVE IT ALONE UNTIL I GET IT YOU JERKS
frosty wedge
I feel like DPS are spoiled b/c of the old threat modifiers
grim prism
JUST GO AWAY DPS REEE
wide juniper
lol
frosty wedge
people are going to learn that they're going to get ROFLstomped if they hit shit before it's on us
vagrant cape
I was about to say that warriors will be great for skittish weeks but then I saw Dave looking through my window, watching. (Dave is the block ox statue)
grim prism
If I'm not mistaken, DPS threat gen was also squished in BfA and tanks still generate like 10x more than DPS
vagrant cape
Dps are always at a 1x,multiplier
Maybe it was that
Either way, we generate about a third of what we did
grim prism
We went from +900% to +350%
vagrant cape
So we were both half wrong
grim prism
At least thats what i remember reading
candid orbit
Lol
vagrant cape
Oh, +900%?
grim prism
But wowhead says that dps threat went from 1x to 0.5x
vagrant cape
So it was really 1000% to 450%
grim prism
Yes
frosty wedge
pug'd a mythic with an arms warrior that kept opening with warbreaker/bladestorm on every pack as I was charging in, lol
sick sentinel
heh
vagrant cape
I imagine arms warriors as a literal giant pair of walking arms with no brains
grim prism
DPS would still pull big dick threat if they started bursting before you got there in Legion
Its not like that is new
But yeah man, wowhead says DPS threat got squished from 1x to 0.5x and the relative difference in threat from tanks to dps is fairly similar to last expac
And frankly it doesnt really feel all that different
So i'm inclined to believe that may be the case
grim prism
Is that not how it feels now?
dusk locust
not in the least
sick sentinel
feels like it to me.
grim prism
Feels the same or feels different
sick sentinel
feels the same. no change.
frosty wedge
with avatar/demo up one tclap and theyr'e stuck but normally if DPS focuses and blows up a target I'm not focused on it'll rip for a second a couple of globals after pulls
dusk locust
if i do say 1 thunderclap, then demo and ignore pain and then do like 1 shield slam i might lose something
dusk locust
demo isn't up unless you spend a gcd casting it
grim prism
But DPS tunneling offtargets would cause them to pull last expac too
frosty wedge
true
toxic wadi
Do you guys think some abilities need to come off gcd? Like avatar, demoralizing shout, and ignore pain?
dusk locust
yeah but offtargets feel slippery
imo the way war plays now with gcds is ok. the decision making process is just different
toxic wadi
Otherwise, I can't push enough buttons fast enough
grim prism
Ehhh. Ava maybe, IP I'm used to by now, and demo shout is fine costing a global considering how strong it is
toxic wadi
Like I need to shield slam , thunder clap, ignore pain, etc. But I need to wait for the gcd to do all these
The spec is legit hardcore
I need to practice
Like it's so overwhelming
dusk locust
you have to balance damage and mitigation now
grim prism
You guys may want to frontload your pulls with AoE abilities just to get baseline aggro taken care od
grim prism
Like if you only cast one AoE in the first four globals
dusk locust
now we have to choose to put it up
grim prism
Youre probably gonna lose somethint
toxic wadi
Yeah that's another thing, I dont get aggro on the pulls
grim prism
Playing catchup is waaaaaay harder
dusk locust
yeah it is
grim prism
Especially if the pack splits
toxic wadi
Because I use mitigation first. But if I use aoe abilities first to get aggro, I lose mitigation and take huge damage
dusk locust
the first thing an add goes after it kinda sticks to. you have to not only be top aggro, but you have to beat the next person by what, 10% if you want to take aggro over?
grim prism
I avatar before i charge in
It doesnt do anything at all threatwise in the global you cast it
So i precast it
To get it out of the way
dusk locust
i need to make a better habit of doing that w/ avatar
sick sentinel
and yeah just avatar pre-pull.
grim prism
I mean by all means if it comes up mid-pull give it a recast (ideally prior to demo shout to maximize deafening crash)
But on the initial dive in
Its definitely worth precasting it and wasting a global's worth of uptime than having dead globals in your opener
toxic wadi
So ideally one should avatar -> charge -> shield block and thunderclap?
grim prism
Yeah, if you have rage for the block
grim prism
I honestly do ava, charge, demo, TC
regal island
well to avoid using revenge too much i castsequence reset=1 revenge, ignore pain
ez mode tanking
grim prism
Doesnt rev have a two-global cooldown anyway lol
uneven mason
yes
grim prism
I mean if it works for you it works for you
uneven mason
both Rev and TC are 2GCD
grim prism
But i dont think its necessary
regal island
it's more my DUMP rage spam than anything else
grim prism
So now I feign insecurity
uneven mason
I was spamming revenge alot
grim prism
Honestly i should just come to terms with the fact that I am a dick and own it
regal island
2x IP back to back is useless anyways so might as well sequence
uneven mason
in my mythic lastnight because thye made one of the paladins heal me (his main spec is prot)
so I wanted him to not feel insecure in how much damage he takes
I think sequencing anything in our current kit is pretty poinless.
hazy yacht
yeah, theres nothing that even makes sense
grim prism
Ive really come to loathe sequence macros
uneven mason
Mostly because of hunters
grim prism
Yeah kinda
uneven mason
especially because of hunters
grim prism
Hadnt really occurred to me but thats 100% why
Fucking one-button specs
Because then people would ask "well why dont I macro this to that" in all these other specs where it doesnt make sense
i.e. SB or IP to literally anything
(Moot point for IP now)
Like bro if you dont want to actually learn how to play a spec effectively then why even bother rolling one
(Sequence macros are a little different, although i still dont think we have any good reason to)
vagrant cape
I didn't even know sequencing was a thing. Does that work for abilities on the GCD?
toxic wadi
How do I manage anxiety while tanking? Like before large pulls or boss fights I get pretty anxious
dusk locust
with practice
toxic wadi
Like my heart beats fast, sweat a little, etc
grim prism
Thats the whole point of sequences @vagrant cape
dusk locust
be willing to suck for a while
toxic wadi
Kk
grim prism
@toxic wadi most of us drink heavily, i prefer to smoke weed and abuse benzodiazepenes
toxic wadi
LOL
dusk locust
expect people to tell you you're bad and decide ahead of time that you don't care
you're doing the most visible role in the dungeon
signal plover
Dull your mind by coming to prot warr discord when it's evening in america
modern tundra
hey guys, is there any haste breakpoint we want to work towards ?
toxic wadi
Someone told me I'm squishy
grim prism
@modern tundra "more"
signal plover
100%
modern tundra
alright thanks alot 😄
signal plover
Hue hue hue
grim prism
Still prioritize ilvl though
regal island
I mean i play with sequence all the time. You need to know when to use it and when not to.
signal plover
The only thing I could think of sequencing would be avatar to demo shout but if u need a sequence macro for that gg
slow falcon
@everyone I will be making a list in the next few days for who is planning to attend my raid group next week
regal island
i have my opener, avatar, charge, demo, tclap, sb sequence as well
grim prism
Yeah macros arent intrinsically problematic if they are used properly
regal island
never made pulling easier
slow falcon
MT
signal plover
Roffl
grim prism
People just tend to rely too heavily on them
signal plover
Dat everyone tag was ballsy
grim prism
@slow falcon NA Horde prot war lf guild
regal island
^ not HM = bad tankage
toxic wadi
The FAQ says "the difference between tank specs are so minor", but I thought the consensus was that prot is harder to play and weaker?
vagrant cape
@toxic wadi i feel that 100%. I once caused my guild to wipe for two hours on heroic dragons of nightmare.
The key is to not let yourself spiral. If you wipe, talk with your team in a nontoxic way and maybe try something new like marking a target or CCing a dangerous mob.
Before a big pull, it can be a touch overwhelming with so many things to look out for. There's no real shortcut to get better at that as that's where a lot of tanking skill comes in. I try to identify the most dangerous thing I could get hit by and try to focus on that. (Like mental assault from the cultists in shrine).
The real way to beat anxiety is to just do it over and over again. Spam dungeons, wipe, keep going. Building confidence is the best solution. When you can look at a dungeon and be like, "Psh. I've done this twenty times and I've got it memorized like the back of my hand." it feels so good.
sick sentinel
Worst I did I think was just shield block macrod to HS/FR back then.
grim prism
@toxic wadi mainly because the wow community likes to chase FotMs and bandwagon ideaa
toxic wadi
Oh lol
grim prism
Sco made a video that says we are marginally worse than other tanks in M+
toxic wadi
Oh
grim prism
And the forums and r/wow community were like PROT IS TRASH TIER AGAIN?!!!
Mainly people like to say that we have no self-sustain. But we also mitigate way more damage than other tanks so it's not even a reasonable comparison
Long story short, most wow kids are histrionic cyrbabies
Nobody here is going to tell you prot is the best spec in the game, but we absolutely are not "bad"
PrOt CaNt SuRvIvE wItHoUt A hEaLeR
Good thing theres a healer in pretty much every dungeon you go
Hmmmmm
dusk locust
couldn't you argue that mitigation is better if a healer's around because you aren't going to both heal at the same time and waste it
sick sentinel
Until you get that pug healer that thinks it can dps because used to tanks that sustain themselves.
grim prism
Never trust a pug
frosty surge
Is it worth to buy oswains if I have a 325 shield rn? It’s like 375k on my server
uneven mason
You'll notice a large difference
frosty surge
I’ve been running mythics and haven’t had any luck on shields
grim prism
If you are itching to spend money then go for it, but I personally will be retaining my 325 blue into the start of the tier
uneven mason
Yeah me either, I had to get handed mine by a benevolent holy paladin just before reset last week Dark
he was pissed, because he had just dropped 200k on Oswain earlier that day
frosty surge
Damn
frosty surge
I got 1 mythic left that drops shield
uneven mason
if you blow your gold
grim prism
And you'll be pissed too when you get a 360 from your first M+ Atal run
uneven mason
you'll have shields drop like rain
^^^
I bought fathoms, and Blockades, I've had 5 trinkets drop since then (none are Howler tho
frosty surge
I got Tol’dogar left
uneven mason
good luck, thats where I got mine
try and group stack
Resto/Ele shaman, Holy paladins, Other warriors/paladins who are willing to set their loot on prot for you
grim prism
Yeah, groupfinder is a seller's market for tanks. I would start your own group and load it with platies
frosty surge
True
grim prism
Yeah or that
frosty surge
Dear god XD
uneven mason
although the challenge would be finding 4 shaman
frosty surge
That are geared to that point
uneven mason
and 3 who would be willing to barf bag along long enough to be elemental
modest dagger
I run with 2 shamans (enh/resto) In my normal 5man... really liking the stone ele this time around. also made shield easier to get
uneven mason
Shaman have a lot of utility for dungeons
grim prism
^
uneven mason
toobad Enhance still suffers from "Boss sneezed at me, guess I'll die now"
uneven mason
I'm deeply in love with shaman tho
thus far Resto shamans are the only healer who can sustain me through actually tanking one of my pulls from start to finish
frosty surge
I have a mistweaver that I run with and don’t have really any issues
grim prism
I was under the impression that hpriests were still the best spothealer in the game
But ive only seen one all expac
grim prism
And that was while i was mercilessly ganking him while he tried to spam flash heals
uneven mason
the problem with priests is they're boring as fuck
modest dagger
what is a priest? haven't seen one of any spec since launch, lol
uneven mason
Disc is just too much funmode
grim prism
Ive seen several discs
Ive even seen shadow priests and those are abject garbage right now
Where the holies at
modest dagger
you guys know if other tanks are seeing the absurd dps numbers we are at the moment?
wide juniper
I do most of my mythics with a holy priest in my guild
grim prism
Thet are not @modest dagger
uneven mason
Lol, yeah I was saying the other day, I saw a fem gnome in pedocreepy slutmog, but the really embarrassing thing for that dude was being specced shadow where other people could see his DPS.
modest dagger
like, I'm sitting at like 20k on trash... pisses my dps off every time. ROFL!
modest dagger
yeah, avatar/tc
uneven mason
BIGGER PULLS
modest dagger
I would, but healer is a casual. lol
grim prism
Yeah i was comfortable outperforming all my DPS while leveling
uneven mason
BIGGER HEALER
modest dagger
^
uneven mason
The only dude who beats me on trash on a regular basis - Arms warrior
grim prism
I guess the tradeoff is doing bosses and putting up less ST damage than my disc healer
uneven mason
And he's always asking me to tank for him, because the other tanks can't hold aggro offa him
modest dagger
bladestorm op? better nerf fire mages
uneven mason
Frost mages give me a run too
Frost is real strong
Much love for my regular frost mage tho
makes those 15min clears possible
grim prism
Yeah i had a frost pull aggro a couple times last night
grim prism
First time this expac i actually lost aggro due to threat and not user error
modest dagger
I think the one thing I am "struggling" with the most at the moment is actually the use of IP
feels so bad on the global
just having a hard time here and there weaving it in while still managing threat/block
grim prism
It helps to think of it less as mitigation and more as an uptime buff that supplements mitigation
modest dagger
makes sense
grim prism
While there are times youre going to have just IP running, that definitely isnt ideal. You still want to use demo shout, block, and last stand w/ bolster as your primary mitigation
dusk locust
sometimes i'll use shield wall as a "oh dang i need mitigation AND i need to do more dps" kind of cooldown, if i get in that situation and i have it. if i feel like i don't have the globals to cover both
uneven mason
phred, it felt bad at first, but now it actually feels good to use IP
grim prism
And then just cast IP as necessary to keep the buff active and/or spend rage to advance AM
autumn cosmos
Thoughts on this? D: https://i.imgur.com/tYUCRNg.png | I can't decide.
uneven mason
the 345
grim prism
^
uneven mason
Weapons are the one slot where sockets will be outplayed
by higher ilvl
I mean
its probably a thin difference
void quail
Shield as well right?
uneven mason
Right
modest dagger
I will say Bolster has been my favorite add for us in BFA. soooo good
grim prism
Shield is 100% ilvl > all
dusk locust
simple question but what does weapon damage contribute to? more than just white hits?
grim prism
@dusk locust attack power increases ignore pain cap
mortal remnant
how good is servant splitter from waycrest manor ?
uneven mason
so it increases IP, and extra damage is just really good
dusk locust
ah ok i didn't realize that was attack power
grim prism
@mortal remnant as good as the ilvl number on it
dusk locust
also i saw in the guide that we don't pick up a dagger just to get faster attacks for rage, but why is that? i wasn't clear on it
grim prism
And faster weapons are prorated for less rage per tick
uneven mason
its normalized to 2.6 base weapon speed
grim prism
^
uneven mason
Rage gen - has been normalized (poorly) since 1.10
dusk locust
ah ok i thought it was a flat range per hit
uneven mason
nope
dusk locust
gotcha
uneven mason
after years of fucking with rage per swing normalization they went "Why don't we just make all 1h weapons 2.6 speed"
hazy yacht
i miss my 1.6s
dusk locust
so weapon speed shouldn't factor into my weapon decision at all then i take it
uneven mason
TFW the High Warlord 3.0 speed 1h weapons were BiS for damage until they fixed weapon scaling in 2.1
Weapon speed is a non issue
its a throwback to bygone days
there for flavor
You use Str bearing 1h weapons as prot - thats all you need to know
dusk locust
alright
uneven mason
Or I should say if it has str and is 1h it will be 2.6 speed
strong forum
finally ❤
dusk locust
coulda sworn some axe was faster than some mace, or sword or something. i might have been mistaken
uneven mason
sweet ride
grim prism
Wow wee
signal plover
I think I can hit it tonight
echo rivet
damn dark iron dwarfs look sick
strong forum
ye back in the olden days weapons had different speeds
mace was slowest
axe was middle and sword was fastest
uneven mason
^^
dusk locust
heh alright
uneven mason
If you see a mace that is like 1.8 speed its probably a healing mace
or caster mace
which, will have half the melee Damage on it
dusk locust
man now i wonder what i'm wearing
uneven mason
and no str
lol
TFW you realize you've been wearing a int treinket the whole time!
sick sentinel
you can from AH BOEs. 😛
dusk locust
well whatever i have was looted straight off a boss
strong forum
WELLL
dusk locust
haha
strong forum
THAT
uneven mason
Who remembers when Enhance shamans and DKs used caster weapons for buku DPS
uneven mason
Yeah back in TBC and nilla
My guilds asipring protadin had just blown all their DKP on a Levithan when the change to using str and weapon damage for tanking abilities was annouinced
we wouldn't let her get a refund
because she boned 2 mages and a warlock out of it
best use of weapons tho, dagger prot warriors
tiny sphinx
some weapons will have a wider damage band, like axes will have a higher top end and lower low end than swords in most cases
uneven mason
Right, but we're talking speed
tiny sphinx
assuming same ilvl and all that
uneven mason
that's just range.
tiny sphinx
but that is the only distinction weapon types have now, which is sad, I miss weapon specs
uneven mason
SPeed is the same across Str weapons (2h are 3.6, 1h are 2.6)
tiny sphinx
remember that 4.0s mace from BRD that did monstrous dps
uneven mason
The Pacifier ?
tiny sphinx
think that was the one, and a few raid weapons were 3.8
jovial reef
i miss the 2h mace from gnomeregan that gave like 400% haste for lvl 25 or 27
modest dagger
back in classic I swore by the ironfoe mace