protection

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[chilly brook]

All tanks will most likely be “viable”

[sick sentinel]

i have a 351 ilvl monk tank ..

question is

[chilly brook]

Wtf

[sick sentinel]

will i be using the war xD

[chilly brook]

No

Lol

[bronze helm]

Pretty sure the term Twink does not mean what you think it means

[raven kernel]

let me put it this way

[sick sentinel]

If you're good at tanking and are proactive, and know your kit's abilities, and meet ilvl criteria, why not?

seems like a silly question.

but its asked all the time. smh

they said it could be interressting on last boss

[raven kernel]

my monk main tank / gleader has to go for a sudden business trip in the next week or so

[chilly brook]

Monk will most likely be the better choice

[raven kernel]

and he asked me to tank in his stead

instead of the other dps classes

[chilly brook]

I mean let’s be honest it’s actually not even a question

Monk is and has been for a long time the strongest raid tank

[sick sentinel]

what i thought is that they hoped for some way to cheese

on a certain boss

so it would be worth to switch

[grim prism]

@sick sentinel i mean its not like prot is a dumpster spec or anything, but you're probably going to have more success as a 351 monk main than as prot

[chilly brook]

“Cheese” on bosses lol

[grim prism]

Also leveling a new toon solely to cheese a single boss in a game mode where you cant even pick your map, wew lad

[dusk locust]

i can't think of a reason one tank is so dramatically ahead or behind that it makes an enormous difference really

the health shout is nice

and mobility's pretty good in certain cases but monk's pretty mobile

stagger's really good for spike damage

[marble pelican]

i keep hearing about Prot being broken or just not a good spec. I made the switch from fury to prot for this expansion. I have never tanked before ever. I have 0 issue, the only times my group has wiped is people not paying attention. that's it. otherwise I've had 0 issues. Again i'm new to the spec and the tank roll so i'm sure i'm missing something

[signal plover]

You're not

Prot is fine

But the internet is the internet

[dusk locust]

prot's fine. it takes more work to do well on it though, so if it isn't played right people will perceive it as the class's fault

[royal marten]

IIRC it's mostly a comparison deal prot warriors are pretty alright, only downside is the sheer swinginess if you make a mistake

[signal plover]

If u do what the guide tells you to do correctly, things will go smoothly

[sick sentinel]

"Cheesing" bosses instead of just knowing/doing the mechanics smh.

[grim prism]

A good prot will do better than a bad monk in pretty much anything

[royal marten]

Cheesing bosses is knowing the mechanics well enough to circumvent as much as you can

[grim prism]

Oh here I thought he meant m+

Yeah trying to cheese a raid is even more retarded

[chilly brook]

@grim prism I disagree unless that bad monk literally doesn’t know how to keep iSB up the whole time

It’s pretty much impossible to mess up your mitigation

About the only time I can see that being the case is if they purify too much

[grim prism]

Which is something a bad monk would probably do hmmmmm

It was more a philosophical statement than a comparison guy

[sick sentinel]

Hmmmm

[grim prism]

Lets not get bogged down here

I gotta ask

@sick sentinel

[chilly brook]

I mean at the end of the day it does matter though, I would rather a weaker player roll a monk tbh

[grim prism]

What is it you guys specifically thought you were going to cheese

[dusk locust]

he might have been thinking the magic damage + leaping away to reset stacks?

[chilly brook]

That was my initial thought

[royal marten]

A bowl of chili

[chilly brook]

Because honestly idk what you’re going to cheese as a tank

[dusk locust]

can you bring the boss up one of the ramps

or does it reset

[chilly brook]

You have a better chance cheesing things as a paladin I suppose if you really are looking to do that stuff

Oh magic damage? Guess I’ll just blessing of spellwarding

[grim prism]

Is that cheese though

Or is that using a class utility

[chilly brook]

That being said I mean how many mechanics have actually been cheesable by a tank?

Like none that I can remember

[dusk locust]

cheese is kind of a loosely used term

there was the blood DK thing on mistress right?

maybe you could argue blood dks on aggramar was cheese but nobody had an alternative

[chilly brook]

Refresh me on the mistress

[dusk locust]

bear roar was considered "required" for a while, but cheese is probably the wrong term

they'd sit in the middle and soak all the beams

i believe

that was later patched to not be possible

[timid jay]

IBF gives you stun immunity

Taking more than 1 soak gave you a 30sec stun

[chilly brook]

I mean I could cheese old raids like Mythic ToV in legion and solo tank helya but meh

At that point it was less “cheese” and more drastic gear difference

[dusk locust]

cheese to me means you're trivializing some mechanic that is intended to be difficult

[chilly brook]

Same

[dusk locust]

like rogue immunities

[chilly brook]

Hence why I’m saying you basically have little to no cases of actual tank cheese

[dusk locust]

yeah not many

[chilly brook]

It’s not like you can go monk taunt an add port out of the room and the add disappears and then you port back in

Most real “cheese” just ends in a boss reset

[dusk locust]

there was a monk cheese kinda like that wasn't there

i forget what boss

[chilly brook]

I mean you could corner tank if you call that cheese

No heals required

[dusk locust]

not sure what that is but it sounds cheesy

[chilly brook]

Basically you could pull a boss into a corner as a monk and because you’re in a small space your healing orbs would spawn right under you and every time you popped below 35% you’d get a new one that’d take you to like 50%

Really didn’t see much use outside of dungeons and extreme cases of soloing raid bosses in legion

Obviously you do that in current progression and you’re probably going to die

[weary python]

Is protection straight ilevel and stat priority since you really can't Sim?

[uneven mason]

yes more or less

[dusk locust]

pretty much. ilvl is king, then you compare secondaries

[uneven mason]

ilvl > haste > vers>=mastery > crit

[lusty grotto]

cough

cough cough

[cerulean bison]

about trinkets tho, the guide in icy veins mentions only 2 good tank trinkets u can obtain from dungeons (not including the ones u buy from AH) are the other dung trinkets just grabage?

[lusty grotto]

cough

cough cough

[uneven mason]

trinkets are always crap at the beginning of an Xpac

[lusty grotto]

goddamn this cough

[uneven mason]

that being said, Blocakdes is not bad

[cerulean bison]

for example I have rezan's eye which is one of the best but 310, should I keep it instead of a 340 big red button/merektha's fang?

[uneven mason]

he checked the pins Nim, he's asking for clarification

[sick sentinel]

when you sit in a discord channel all day to type "check pins"

[uneven mason]

The fact that my artifact Xmog doesn't show up in the armory on my shield is triggering

[weary python]

I've never tanked before but at 340 I don't feel like it's all Doom and gloom from what you read everywhere else.

[uneven mason]

carnagesloth well, to be fair, a lot of times the questions being asked are asked 1. Before the pins, 2. much better explained in the pins

so we do alot

[sick sentinel]

8^)

[uneven mason]

But when someone goes "In such and such guide it says this" (They checked the pins) "But I was wondering why/whatabout/ELI5"

[lusty grotto]

@cerulean bison i would use whatever has more STR

[uneven mason]

Thats when we can use our words like big boys

[sick sentinel]

Hey folks.

What's the accepted strategy for tanking Tidesage Council in mythic Shrine?

Are you supposed to constantly move to avoid Hindering Cleave? Is it dodge-able? Or do you only move when he's affected by Blessing of Ironsides?

[uneven mason]

For a warrior tank?

[sick sentinel]

Aye

[uneven mason]

Burn the caster

Tank the big dude

make use of the DR bubble (pull him/her out, stand in it yourself)

when he gets big, leap away, and never turn your back

[regal island]

^

he's easy to kite

[uneven mason]

it takes some getting used too, but you can have your group on 1 side of the DR bubble and have the great ape facing so his cleave won't hit your party

[sick sentinel]

his cleave is also blockable

[regal island]

and with leap/intervene you can just chill in the safe zone that drops

[static pilot]

just dont kite him through the haste rune or you'll have a problem

[uneven mason]

If you're in the DR bubble you're probably better off just face tanking him

[lusty grotto]

hindering cleave is blockable yea

[uneven mason]

even when he's buffed

[regal island]

yeah just don't facetank when he's buffed

[uneven mason]

if he touches that haste field and you're in melee range when he's in super saiyan mode you'll die.

[sick sentinel]

I had troubles with it last night. Does it matter to get aggro on both council members?

I was trying to maintain threat on both the council members, so things got pretty wild

[uneven mason]

No

[lusty grotto]

run when hes big, and keep SB/LS for hindering cleave

[uneven mason]

the caster lady just spam casts at random folks

[lusty grotto]

pretty standard

[regal island]

i mean i just pop shieldwall and we burn him but for higher key play you wana do the mechanic

[uneven mason]

your group needs to learn to interrupt

[sick sentinel]

Ok good to know, thanks

[chilly brook]

@weary python surprise surprise people are uninformed

[uneven mason]

Like, scream at your warlocks to use their manafien

[chilly brook]

And jump to conclusions

[lucid ginkgo]

And be mindful of your DPS when you go into the protective totem because more people go in, the more likely it is to cleave someone that isn't paying attention

[cerulean bison]

@lusty grotto ty for the answer I will use the 340s then

[sick sentinel]

That was mainly what I was struggling with.

I got that you had to move during Irontides, but wasn't sure if you had to CONSTANTLY move to avoid the hindering cleave

[weary python]

I still have a 310 shield at 340 and I feel okay as a first time tank

[cerulean bison]

@lusty grotto even tho it's only 30-40 str difference

[uneven mason]

You can avoid hindering cleave if you want

[lusty grotto]

30 str is pretty big

[uneven mason]

its blockable

[sick sentinel]

Cool, thanks for the help!

[uneven mason]

30str is huge

[chilly brook]

Hey so here’s a question that I don’t think I can answer myself, I have two 340 weapons, one is vers/mastery and the other is haste/crit which one to use?

[cerulean bison]

yea but a 600haste proc for example

[uneven mason]

every little micro % of extra mitigation we get

[cerulean bison]

dunno 😃

[uneven mason]

goes miles.

[lusty grotto]

im using big red button right now, i love it

[uneven mason]

Vers mastery probably

[lusty grotto]

600 haste not worth the constant mit you get from a static 30 str

or maybe we need to napkin math it

[cerulean bison]

gonna take ur words to it and equip my own big shit button then 😄

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason figured as much just seems like a wash

[uneven mason]

vers mastery will have a stronger impact on your overall mitigation.

it really is a wash

but vers will help passively vs magic damage 😉

[chilly brook]

On one hand you have BiS stat and worst stat and then the other you have two middle of the road stats

[uneven mason]

I mean is it HIGH haste low crit

vs High Mastery low vers?

[chilly brook]

It’s the one from temple and the one from siege I literally can’t remember which stat is bigger on either

[cerulean bison]

I'm confused, like stat weights on pins say haste is 2 times better than crit-vers more or less

XD

[uneven mason]

but I'd put my money on the vers/mast setup being a few cents more in the bank

what stat weights

prot doesn't have stat weights

[lusty grotto]

crit-vers? unlikely

one is not like the other

but yea what ikarikaze said

[uneven mason]

crit is actually pretty strong overall for our survival vs melee

[cerulean bison]

so in the channel, there is a guides-resources-faq

there is a stat weight sheet I read there

for prot

[lusty grotto]

that is outdated, probably

[uneven mason]

you mean Proiority?

[cerulean bison]

well yea

same thing weight-priority

xd

[uneven mason]

No, they're not 😄

weights are a calculated value for each stat, per point, it will impact performance by X

Priority is just that

[chilly brook]

So it’s higher vers/lower mastery vs higher crit/lower haste

[cerulean bison]

ok still, if u say it's stat priority written there doesn't it still mean that u have to prioritize say haste 2 times more than crit?

[chilly brook]

So probably vers/mastery

[lusty grotto]

i believe those guides are for theorycrafting but i could be wrong

maybe @fierce juniper could clarify?

[cerulean bison]

he is chilling in Valhalla probs

[uneven mason]

No profstein

[merry cave]

I thought bliz decided to remove TF on weps but just got a 350 mace, is there a cap or something instead?

[chilly brook]

Funny how people keep asking how prot is when the question is answered IN THE PINS

You can warforge @merry cave

[fierce juniper]

Err, the sheet isn't outdated. It's just there for reference.

[lusty grotto]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

Protections stat priority the "weights" are close enough that we will always prioritize item level ahead of 2ndaries on armor pieces

[chilly brook]

Aka up to 10 ilvls

[fierce juniper]

@cerulean bison
If you see a stat priority literally all that tells you is the ranking of stats.
It tells you nothing about how much better stats are compared to other stats.

[uneven mason]

Like, none of our stats are BAD - Crits translation to parry is strong, but it does nothing to bolster EHP reliably, so we don't really SHUN crit so much as we pursue haste.

[merry cave]

Thanks griff

[chilly brook]

👍🏻

[uneven mason]

since haste is our resrouce generating stat and reduces the CD on our shield block

thus leading to its strength being reliable

we know that haste will be haste 100% of the time.

[cerulean bison]

@fierce juniper so like it's not like the others is bad, but you prioritize on getting haste for example as it has highest priority right?

[fierce juniper]

right

[chilly brook]

I was sad that the 2h from King’s Rest didn’t warforge for me I saw that upgrade animation play when I looted it

Rolled an indestructible trait

😑

[uneven mason]

"ITEM UPGRADED" 137"speed" golly...thanks

yeah indestructable 😡

[sick sentinel]

fast AF

[chilly brook]

That’d be at least more useful than indestructible

Lol

[uneven mason]

I got an avoidance roll the other night

which is pretty good

[chilly brook]

At least that is useful

[uneven mason]

best tertiary

[chilly brook]

I got fire resistance on my bracers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

really?

[chilly brook]

Although that wasn’t an “upgrade”

Yea

[lusty grotto]

uhhh i didn't know that was a thing

[uneven mason]

hehehe

[chilly brook]

The bracers in tol dagor have fire resistance

[lusty grotto]

wtf

[chilly brook]

But I got those to titanforge to 355

[final mist]

It seems to be just flavor stat, for the Fire Resist bracers.

[uneven mason]

yeah it didn't seem to do anything

[final mist]

It does give you Fire Resist, but given the name, I think it's nothing more than a throwback to Ye Olde Dayes.

[uneven mason]

Lord Pyronis or whatnot in BRD

[merry cave]

Yeah i was pretty sure resitances didnt exist as a mechanic anymore

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[final mist]

Well, a lot of old raids required Resist gear

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure it’s just there as nostalgia/joke

[uneven mason]

Although, back in the day

[round vortex]

I have the 340’s lol

[final mist]

Not just certain fights

[uneven mason]

the bracers offa Lord firedude in BRD were BiS

[final mist]

Like the entirety of MC you had to have a bunch of FR gear

[lusty grotto]

fucking rag

[uneven mason]

for molten core

[lusty grotto]

nature resist for aq

[uneven mason]

randomly rolled defense on them ++

[lusty grotto]

sigh

[final mist]

I don't think the resist is anything more than a throwback though

[lusty grotto]

i see

[uneven mason]

worst resist farm ever - Frost/Nature resist for SSC

one fucking boss

required 4 tanks with mixed resist sets

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

[uneven mason]

"You're a bear tank LOL goodluck, farming BoE greens for your set"

[chilly brook]

Ssc?

[uneven mason]

Serpent Shrine Caverns

[lusty grotto]

first boss ssc

[chilly brook]

Ah

[lusty grotto]

the lady vashj raid

[uneven mason]

HYdross the unstable

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[chilly brook]

Yea

[uneven mason]

He swapped between Nature/Frost resist for his melee attacks

[chilly brook]

Before my time

[uneven mason]

aggro reset anytime hecrossed the line

That was fun

[chilly brook]

I was a causal middle schooler back in BC still blown away by the game world

[uneven mason]

trying to convince my raid to run to the other side when we swapped

"Move with the tanks"

[chilly brook]

Especially with WC3 being so recent

[frosty wedge]

omg the nature resist gear farming for Huhuran 😦

[uneven mason]

always 1 warlock casts DOOM at 2 stacks, wipes the raid because he double phased him

I finally had to instant the rule of "Warlocks cast 2 spells - Seed of Corruption while adds are alive, and shaowbolt once they're dead"

ahh those were teh days

where you're tanking ability was dictated completely by how stupid your DPS were

[frosty wedge]

lol, good times.

[junior ivy]

so it kinda suckms being 341 ilvl casue now literally the only possible upgrades i can get are titanforges 😦

[frosty wedge]

We kicked like 4-5 people our of our guild for just being wholly unaware of their surroundings during Naxx in vanilla

[amber siren]

it's tough being geared feelsbadman

[frosty wedge]

safety dance was a friendship killer, lol

[chilly brook]

I mean I rest easy knowing that I’m ready for raid

[junior ivy]

omg i remmeber that dance id be so stressed the entire raid knowing safety dance was coming up

[chilly brook]

Just gotta do dailies to try and get another extra 15 ilvls

[junior ivy]

im revered with coa

my only goal now is revered with turtles

[chilly brook]

RIP

I’m over halfway to revered but I missed a few days unfortunately

But I’ve made up for it with good loot luck

Still sitting at 346

[frosty wedge]

yeah I was at a conference on-wed last week :/

siting at 341 with a 330 belt I can replace with a 355 crafted in like 3 more mythics, lol

[sick sentinel]

anyone know if the engineering goggles are worth?

can't find any details on the traits

[merry cave]

Trait seems pretty legit from using it

[chilly brook]

Wait traits do they have?

[merry cave]

i dont have hard numbersthough

[slender kiln]

Sitting at 338 with blue shield, ring and shoulders.

[sick sentinel]

Morg are you in game? can you post the traits

I can't even see them at the trainer haha

[pallid solar]

I have Fathoms and Rezan's Gleaming Eye (345) from my DPS spec. Do you guys think it's worth replacing Rezan's with Blockades? I can't say it's pocket change for me atm, but I can afford it without any trouble if it's an upgrade.

[uneven mason]

Probably not worth replacing.

I mean, blockades isn't horrible

[sick sentinel]

Blockades alright.

Think rather have fathoms though.

With my mythic socket rezans

[pallid solar]

Yeah figured so, it's only 10 ilvls and the haste proc on rezan is pretty nice

[sick sentinel]

Yeh

[primal crypt]

Ye

[uneven mason]

I mean - Blockades is the better trinket. But its not 20k better IMHO.

[pallid solar]

okay, thanks

[chilly brook]

20k jeez

I wish that was 20k when I bought it

[uneven mason]

thats what I paid for mine 😄

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure it’s stabilized to like 50k on my server

[pallid solar]

it's 50k here too

[uneven mason]

I bought the cards as I saw them hit cheap

[round vortex]

Yeah I got mine for 30 and that was the point I was ok with seeing it even at 5 k lol

[sick sentinel]

shit, I bought fathoms and blockades for 4 toons

[round vortex]

It’s like 20 or less on barthilas

[chilly brook]

Tich is inflated

[earnest sand]

I've seen Blockades going for 20k in chat on Tich

[floral spade]

How does prot stack up in mythics? And how do you feel it will be in keys? Guild is looking for more tanks but but prot feels weak to me compared to dk and monk

[wide juniper]

I've had no issues with guild groups in m0s

How are they weak, in your eyes?

We can have this discussion a few dozen more times.

[primal crypt]

LUL

[strong forum]

we can and will

[primal crypt]

Prot feels way stronger than BDK right now

[wide juniper]

I'll be able to compare against my monk next week

[primal crypt]

just get frustrated when I cant grip something :/

[wide juniper]

Those casters... 😦

[primal crypt]

other than that, prot is insane

20-30k dps on large pack LUL

[floral spade]

I feel like it's hard to balance rage with holding aggro vs survival and minimal self sustain, and forgive me first time tanking since last xpac on my BDK so prot is good then?

[worthy yoke]

prot feels very strong

[primal crypt]

Sounds like user error

[wide juniper]

^

[worthy yoke]

though with a less than competent healer things dont feel the best

[wide juniper]

All about that avatar

[primal crypt]

BDK can be played by monkeys

[merry cave]

40k on large packs if you get the OP fang trinket 😛

[primal crypt]

you can smack the keyboard and deathstrike

[chilly brook]

@floral spade from talking and tanking with pretty much all my healers they say I do much better in terms of mitigation than a blood DK. How exactly do they feel weak to you?

[strong forum]

i often heard even streamers say that prot takes like 0 dmg

compared to DH and BDK

[chilly brook]

We should be a solid option but utility wise will be outshined by a DK. Monk will be better at mitigation but about the same as us in terms of utility

@strong forum yea all our healers hate DH tanks

[floral spade]

Again coming from my old legion dk I was able to do a lot by myself, just gotta get used to the class I guess

[strong forum]

forget legion

[chilly brook]

I mean play what you want

[strong forum]

legion is gone

[kind prairie]

If a disc priest puts a shield on me, and I use IP, does IP still soak half and then it go to the shield or...?

[chilly brook]

But I wouldn’t say prot is “weak”

“Weaker than other options” maybe but the options are all so close together it’s not gonna matter unless you’re doing +20s or bleeding edge

Long story short you could have answered your question with a

@kind prairie disc shield first iirc

[kind prairie]

Okie doke. Thanks!

[strong forum]

pretty sure prot is still underrated AF when it comes to high keys

[chilly brook]

Prot is just underrated period

So many people were nervous to run with me now they’re complaining that I don’t take any damage

[strong forum]

i wouldnt be surprised if prot became mainstream all of a sudden

which i'd hate

[chilly brook]

Might as well warrior is fotm

Surprisingly enough I rerolled to the one spec that was considered “booty” which is becoming more and more promising

[strong forum]

exactly

[chilly brook]

All my DPS warriors are so pissed at me

Since I got the sword from KR and the trinket from ToS 😂

[strong forum]

kek

[chilly brook]

I literally had the most insane loot last night

3 TF’s, that sword, the trinket, the mount from underrot and 2 BiS azerite

[strong forum]

kek

im pretty much set for azerite

BiS helmet, secret BiS shoulders and Azerite Veins chest

[grim prism]

@floral spade holding aggro should be fairly easy since threat is a flat coefficient of damage and prot wars put out more AoE damage than any tank in the game. The lack of self sustain is intended to be fairly irrelevant as prot offsets the lack of rotational self-healing with stronger mitigation than other tanks. The guide in the pins will help you optimize your talents and rotation to make the most of these strengths

[strong forum]

👏

[uneven mason]

The only big issue prot faces is if you fuck up

You're probably going to dirtnap

other tanks are more forgiving of mistakes.

[strong forum]

no safety net besides heroic leap

[uneven mason]

which is why we're going to continue to be viewed as dogshit tier, because not everyone can be napkin math level Protection.

Heroic leap is a pretty big safety net tho

[strong forum]

true

[uneven mason]

Intercept to a ranged than leap, and then worgen sprint, fuck ya'll will have it dead before it reaches me brb getting a beer.

[strong forum]

worgen

yikes

[uneven mason]

wifes idea

[strong forum]

skystep potion

[uneven mason]

My other main is an orc

still hunchback

cause i've been carrying that guild on my back for 2 Xpacs now

forever bent spine

Kidding....really

[grim prism]

No, thats not why we are viewed as dogshit tier

We are viewed as dogshit tier because 90% of wow players are literally incapable of thinking for themselves and making informed decisions that arent copypasted from reddit

[strong forum]

we are viewed as dogshit tier cuz "lul IP is bad" "lul no self healing xD"

"IP on GCD makes warri bad"

[grim prism]

Prot doesnt have stagger or deathstrike

QED unplayable

Fix your fucking game bliz

[strong forum]

also "SB downtime LUL"

thats pretty much the communities PoV

[final mist]

I always reply with "<insert insulting player's class here>'s damage LUL"

[strong forum]

purrdy much

[final mist]

I can't wait until my warrior is 120 so I can show @daring hazel how much damage the superior warrior spec can really do

[grim prism]

I still legitimately dont understand the selfhealing argument, because it is almost always presented as "you need to have a healer babysitting you constantly"

[final mist]

It's almost like every other tank needs to be babysat constantly too

[grim prism]

Like who are all these tanks running instanced pve without a healer

[final mist]

I don't know another tank that doesn't need to be constantly babysat

I need to be constantly babied by my healer on my Paladin

So does my cotank on both his DK and Monk

[chilly brook]

@strong forum TBF last stand is a decent safety net

[strong forum]

Last stand isnt a safety net

its as much in the rotation as SB is

if you play correctly that is

[grim prism]

Its not like you use it on cooldown though

[final mist]

"Safety net"

[daring hazel]

@final mist :ping:

[chilly brook]

I don’t really use LS on CD

[strong forum]

the only "oh shit button" we have is heroic leap

[grim prism]

:bigpickpingnitroemoji:

[final mist]

@daring hazel I have more power here than you do, nerd

Don't even @ me brah

[chilly brook]

I really only use it in heavy physical damage or if I absolutely need to fill a block gap

[daring hazel]

I’ve never been to this part of the discord

It’s dark in here

[uneven mason]

Nomeratur - the point of a warrior is to never be in a "o shit moment"

[final mist]

Also promote my Paladin again, I need to get gems out of the guild bank and I'm still alt rank

[grim prism]

Shouldve kept it that way tbh

[strong forum]

exactly Ikari

[final mist]

Welcome to my humble abode

[strong forum]

thats why LS isnt a safety net

[daring hazel]

Will when i get home

[grim prism]

Soon youll be rerolling a shit class just to be a contrarian like us

[uneven mason]

TBF I find tanking on my paladin much more forgiving, Avengers shield alone is godtier quality of life.

[final mist]

I've already opened Mal's eyes, Kuri, just need to get you to see the superior spec for what it is

[uneven mason]

but I won't be maining the pal

[final mist]

bladestorm's dps

[grim prism]

LUL

[uneven mason]

might run it for M+ when I'm feeling lazy

[chilly brook]

I mean with weaker healers LS has saved me more often than not

[final mist]

Yes but you don't generally save LS for oh shit moments

[strong forum]

well yea, but its usually on CD

[uneven mason]

Bolstered LS is so ridic

[strong forum]

SW is for big dick pulls

[grim prism]

You wouldnt need strong healers if you had a self heal @chilly brook

[uneven mason]

You use LS ahead of rushing into a pack that is going to wreck you

[strong forum]

and LS for gaps

[uneven mason]

well DURING that pack

[chilly brook]

@grim prism oof

[grim prism]

Lol

[daring hazel]

Give prot bladestorm ans i’ll at least set up my bars for prot

[chilly brook]

I don’t need stronk healers I just need decent healers

[uneven mason]

I mean, we don't have "O SHIT BUTTONS" we have "This button is off CD, you have an excuse to pull another 2 packs"

[strong forum]

i rather have decent DPS than healer

tbh

[final mist]

We don't need Bladestorm when we have Unstoppable Force

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason too true

[grim prism]

For real tho

[daring hazel]

[chilly brook]

I chain pull like crazy as prot

I love it

[strong forum]

i can make due with a bad healer

but bad DPS are....

sigh

[final mist]

Imagine you did Bladestorm's entire damage in every Thunder Clap that you hit every other GCD

Welcome to Prot

[regal island]

Picked up a 355 eye of rez last night

[final mist]

Enjoy your stay

[daring hazel]

Lol

[regal island]

haste feels soo good

[final mist]

😬

[uneven mason]

Its true

[vast sedge]

Real tanks don’t use shields

[uneven mason]

355 eye dats some gud

[vast sedge]

Dumbos

[final mist]

Cozen do you even play this game anymore

[vast sedge]

🙂

[grim prism]

Rip

[chilly brook]

Oh snap son Gratz @regal island I guess that’s a consolation for not getting that fang last night

[uneven mason]

He's playing on a Legion priv server to relive the glory days of BDKs

[regal island]

still cant get a damn shield to drop, last chance in underrot tonight

@chilly brook lol right?

[uneven mason]

"Back in my day, we could self sustain through this shit"

[strong forum]

TFW you need 800 rep for dank iron dwarf....

[chilly brook]

I’d be willing to run underrot with you for a shield if I wasn’t already saved

[strong forum]

and have no more WQs

[daring hazel]

I did get a 340 shield yesterday @final mist

[grim prism]

"Where we're going, we don't need healers"

[uneven mason]

TFW you scapped your 350 fang 15minutes before reading the hotfix notes about it being buffed by 300%

[grim prism]

TFW you dont know how to use item restore

[strong forum]

restore it

[uneven mason]

its on CD for 4 more days

[grim prism]

Classic warrior move

[strong forum]

ah well

[uneven mason]

cause I scapped my tanking weapon at the start of the Xpac +++

[grim prism]

Maybe you should stop scrapping big pieces

[uneven mason]

Moral of the story, don't use the scrapper at 2AM while halfway through a bottle of jack

[vast sedge]

Lol

[regal island]

yeah fang was super tuned

[grim prism]

I dont know about you guys but I generally only scrap things I don't need

[uneven mason]

I'm spoiled by legion

[grim prism]

Is there some meta I'm missing out on

[uneven mason]

you know, when you swap specs, all the gear swaps go off, and go to the right spot in the bags

with the constant upgrading the gear is like "I'ma fucking hide between all these shit quest blues you just got"

TEE HEE 335 Mace gone SUCKER

[regal island]

It's funny watching other specs tank and they pull 1-2 mobs at a time and i'm like ok we'll lets round up like 8 and just clear this room.

[strong forum]

thats why i disabled gear swap with spec change

cuz who the fuck plays arms

[grim prism]

I mean, its not like you mistook it for an offspec 1H

[strong forum]

as prot main

[uneven mason]

Warrior tanking Freehold -Pull everything to first boss, the fat boys do the kiting for you (CHAIN THROW FTW)

[grim prism]

Who the fuck plays arms in general tbh

[vast sedge]

Yea you probably don’t need arms to play prot

Good point

[strong forum]

arms > fury sips tea

[vast sedge]

🥁

[regal island]

arms & prot

spin & win

[uneven mason]

after this many years of clenching our buttcheeks due to our low HP pools Cozen' we've learned to grasp our shields with them.

they're Jean Claud Van Dame level muscular

[vast sedge]

Smart move 😃

[grim prism]

But can you deathstrike with your ass shield

I thought not

[uneven mason]

other side does the death striking

[chilly brook]

@regal island as you could see I have no qualms pulling stupid amounts of mobs just to pad numbers 😜

[grim prism]

"No ikar, it's An Album Cover"

[uneven mason]

when pugging mythics the first 2 pulls are spent gauging how fast your healer reacts and what their throughput looks like

after that its all about making the DPS look bad

[chilly brook]

I felt like such an idiot last night though I was too tired tbh to be tanking I was doing stupid crap on a bunch of mechanics

[grim prism]

I mean

If you dont outgear m0 by now then god hates you

Thats the only possible explanation

[chilly brook]

The first 2 pulls is me either ending up crying on the inside or rejoicing based on the groups DPS @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

I don't even notice the rest of the group

cause they're like a little Balsaq under my bar

[chilly brook]

Lul

[grim prism]

I have a philosophical question for you guys

[strong forum]

i only just noticed that your name is ballsack

and not baal saq

[chilly brook]

🤔

🤦🏻‍♂️

[grim prism]

Is it the healer's job to communicate needing mana to the tank, or is it the tank's job to monitor the healer's mana between pulls

[finite wharf]

Healer's job

[strong forum]

im monitoring it

cuz why be a lazy cunt

[sick sentinel]

I play arms as prot main.

[vast sedge]

Tanks

[sick sentinel]

hmph.

[twin eagle]

Tanks

[hushed swallow]

Tanks. You're suppose to work with your healer

[twin eagle]

You and your healer are a team

[uneven mason]

here's your philosophy

[sick sentinel]

Tanks.

[grim prism]

Followup question

[chilly brook]

I mean depends on what you mean

[stark sage]

literally no effort to see your healer's mana bar

[chilly brook]

If you’re in voip it’s on the healer

If you’re pugging it’s on you because you can’t trust stupid

[vast sedge]

Healer and you are a team that helps your brain let dps get through their activity

[grim prism]

Am I the only person whose UI is fucking up and displaying healer mana incorrectly this expac

[sick sentinel]

absolute awareness is tanks job. whether group, mobs, or healers situation/mana.

[hushed swallow]

If you're on voip you could also glance and ask 'do you need to drink?'

[uneven mason]

I'll ask after a rough pull

if they need mana

[stark sage]

the warrior's job is to set the pace, the healer's job is to let you know if you can pick up or slow down

[uneven mason]

and keep an eye (set healer to focus target, intercept macro etc and to watch mana)

and yeah generally if I'm doing mythics its with my guild

[twin eagle]

I have a hotkeyed macro for pugs and guild groups just asking if the healer needs mana

[chilly brook]

I’m so glad I got an ultrawide

[strong forum]

just activate mana bar on group 🤷

[chilly brook]

So much screenspace to put a focus out of the way

[uneven mason]

so my guild healers are pretty spot on with "I'll res you when I catch up from drinking"

[strong forum]

1 monitor... 😓

[regal island]

whats with the jail cell walls @chilly brook

[vast sedge]

It’s a dorm

[sick sentinel]

Dorm room?

[steel mauve]

Ewww 1 monitor

[chilly brook]

I mean I could just open the screen if I wanted on my laptop and have 2

Yea it is

[grim prism]

I condensed from three monitors to a single 34" ultrawide

[strong forum]

4 Monitor Masterrace

[grim prism]

Then immediately put one back on my desk

[uneven mason]

I can't do single monitors ever

[grim prism]

Yeah

Its bad

[uneven mason]

it drives me insane (I code for a living)

[chilly brook]

Meh I can’t pay attention to more than one thing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

Legit question- why would you need more than one playing WoW?

[uneven mason]

like, needing to put Unity and VStudio on the same monitor would make me go homicidal within a day

[strong forum]

Tobit, you have only 1 monitor yes?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah

[grim prism]

Watching youtubes while stomping easy instances

[strong forum]

i have 1 for Internet/Stream, 1 for Spotify 1 for Discord 1 for gaming

[chilly brook]

I mean I could have YouTube on the second monitor but it doesn’t do me any real good because I won’t pay attention to it

[grim prism]

Shitposting in here between pulls

Etc

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/41nymCP2M

[chilly brook]

I have to devote my full attention to what I’m doing

Oh hi

That’s a nice weakaura

[strong forum]

mine currently

[uneven mason]

while raidleading - I have a word doc open with all the fight mechanics, and snippets I can easy edit and cut/paste into angryassingments

[strong forum]

my screen setup

[undone sun]

nice

[chilly brook]

That top monitor is basically just there to look nice at that point 😜

[uneven mason]

tfw you don't run spotify through your 7.1 system remote screened to your phone

[grim prism]

Jackson 5 and German techno

[regal island]

see i'd be on pron and miss a mechanic with that setup

[grim prism]

A man after my own heart

[chilly brook]

Lol

[strong forum]

well top screen is 40" TV

so yea

so i can watch shit from my couch

[chilly brook]

3 MaNy DiStRaCtIoNs 5 Me

[strong forum]

scrub :p

[uneven mason]

I need to level another warrior and gear him up to keep myself from falling into the "Lazy mode" trap

found myself making mistakes now that I'm well over the gear curve.

[strong forum]

next week is M+

no need to level anew

[uneven mason]

oh good point

gotta do something for this week tho

[grim prism]

Why would you level another warrior

I dont even like the one I have

[sick sentinel]

mining/herb alt.

fish for midnight salmon.

many feasts

many mythic+s

random heroics for satchels for runes

[azure heron]

How is prot in mythics? Are we going to be chosen in the upcoming m+?

[strong forum]

we are good

but underrated

[grim prism]

We might, idk about you specifically

[sick sentinel]

'chosen'

wha

[wary crystal]

I have a hard time but I think my healer is suspect

[chilly brook]

@azure heron

[strong forum]

if your healer isnt going above 6K HPS its your healer

[sick sentinel]

I mean, I know I'll be mythic+10 next week.

cus I have a group.

[willow wraith]

i didnt knwo fang got hotfixed. I had sharded mine lol

[strong forum]

you can restore it

[grim prism]

You could very well be the problem @wary crystal, prot is easier than other tanks to play suboptimally

[wary crystal]

Me too QQ

[grim prism]

If you have the same problems with other healers i'd consider making sure you are doing it right, but if its just been the one healer than yeah it's probably them lol

[wary crystal]

I only ever run with the one so nothing g to compare it to lol

[chilly brook]

This is gonna be an odd question but what’s your HPS? @wary crystal

[steel mauve]

Ive gone with several healers, guild healers i havent had an issue with, pug healers its random, some have been slow to heal, literally wouldnt start healing until people were half hp, others were on the ball

[grim prism]

That is an odd question.

[chilly brook]

@grim prism at face value but it also gives me a relative idea of how often he keeps IP up

[grim prism]

Mindlessly spamming IP will give you a bigger HPS number than mitigating properly

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh unless it’s an AM check IP is more valuable than just SB

[grim prism]

I'd be more concerned with whether he feels unusually spiky or is taking heavy damage when he isnt expecting

AM checks dont exist anymore iirc

And youre going to want both up regardless

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately without logs it’s hard to tell what he needs

Without actually being there

and both up is ideal for physical no question about it

[steel mauve]

Ive gone through a pull in freehold where we accidentally pulled 3 packs of 3-4 and no one died, so i feel really good about prot right now

[uneven mason]

I do that all the time Ironkuting "accidently" pull 4 packs

I have nfc how it happens every time i go in

but we endup with every mob between the entrance and the first boss somehow

the DPS Might die

of embarasasment

*dusts off his Avatar

[steel mauve]

I feel the aggro ranges in the dungeons so far have been pretty fucked, we end up pulling a ton of shit all the time

[uneven mason]

That's mostly to do with hunters

[steel mauve]

Motherloade has been especially bad lol

[uneven mason]

That's how I learned I could do it intentionally

and live

[steel mauve]

Its not surprising to pull 12 mobs in a pull

[chilly brook]

Well tbh Demo Shout isn’t any better

[final mist]

The only time it's happened to me so far, someone has been too far to the side, a hunter has been retarded, or Avenger Shield decided 40 yards was it's jump range

[chilly brook]

You can pull stuff you don’t want to with it

[uneven mason]

I spec crackling thunder

just so I can feel comfortable with the adds in Freehold

[grim prism]

LOL

[uneven mason]

probably won't going into M+

[undone sun]

@final mist same

[grim prism]

You better not

[final mist]

My favorite is when AS jumps to neutral mobs I'm not in combat with

🙃

[grim prism]

You'll get onechests for days with 200% trash clear

[uneven mason]

its better for me to pull them than the hunter's pet to disappear and return 5minutes later with the water casters from the area below because we haven't reinforced the HUNTARD stereo type in a while

[grim prism]

"Onechests" or whatever we are calling them these days

[uneven mason]

Yeah Sal - I just started leveling the paladin a bit

[final mist]

I make pet Classes dismiss their pets whenever we do skips

[uneven mason]

and I noticed AS is about as smart as sidewinders

[final mist]

AS is iffy

[undone sun]

Happened twice in last night's m0 tour

👌

[final mist]

Sometimes it's fine

Sometimes it's not

[uneven mason]

"I'ma bounce on this mob that is 15yards ahead of you THAN SHOOT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE NEXT FLOOR AND SNAG THAT DUDE 500 MILES OFF THE PATH"

[final mist]

It didn't do anything out of the ordinary during last week's M0s, then last night it decided that 60 yards was a good range to pull neutral mobs

[undone sun]

Lol

[final mist]

My face was literally the "wat" meme

[uneven mason]

AS probably bounces based on fear pathing

[grim prism]

I still miss last expac when I could ninjapull shit by targeting the last boss in the instance and warbringering an alli

[zinc merlin]

what enchantments are you guys using?

[final mist]

I don't think it's fear, I think it's "I'm gonna jump when you least expect it"

[uneven mason]

haste

[zinc merlin]

haste for everything?

[final mist]

Haste normally, Armor if you're a bitch

[uneven mason]

If you're enchanting blues, at first you can enchant armor if you're sub 310

[chilly brook]

Haste

For all

[strange topaz]

Hey guys, just joined back in the new xpac cus i've been busy fuck, what are the big changes i need to know about Prot wise? I noticed that Demoralizing shout is now basically in the rotation as the cd has dropped to 15 secs or something

[uneven mason]

once you've got a solid shield - (325+ ) enchant haste

[strange topaz]

anything else?

[uneven mason]

Uh, prot is pretty slow compared to legion

IP is on the GCD (biggest change)

[zinc merlin]

yeah i have a 340 weapon and off hand

[grim prism]

@strange topaz IP is on the GCD but you still need to cast it often

[uneven mason]

@strange topaz go to skyhold.gg Marok has a solid writeup about "whats different"

[grim prism]

AM is hilariously OP and we basically spam cooldowns rotationally

[undone sun]

I don't mind casting it often, casting it on gcd is big oof

[grim prism]

AoE damage is like the first week of 7.2 when they had revenge set to 440% AP

[green isle]

is that the REAL balsaq

[grim prism]

The one and only

[uneven mason]

Its a prosthetic

[strange topaz]

I'm still using IP pretty reg, is it a shit as it was in legion?

[uneven mason]

Its weaker than it was in Legion

[strange topaz]

well fuck me

[grim prism]

Worse but its the only consistent way to advance anger management

Lol

[chilly brook]

I started leveling my pally and I kinda enjoy it but I can’t be bothered to level again rn

[uneven mason]

But all tanks are weaker "self sustain" across the board

IP performs its function very well

No tank is going to heal themselves 100% through content that is not trivial

[strange topaz]

You guys running Anger management instead of Heavy Repercussions?

[uneven mason]

yes

AM is insanely synergistic with all of our other talents

[grim prism]

for "The Build"

[zinc merlin]

wait so haste on both? i thought they dont stack

[uneven mason]

its basically a force multiplier on every other talent tier

haste on both what?

[grim prism]

Because we pretty much only have one build that is "good" anymore

[zinc merlin]

weapon / sheild

[uneven mason]

This is #protection not #fury

you can't enchant shields

[zinc merlin]

oh

[jaunty eagle]

whats the

[grim prism]

You cant use shields in fury, chkm8

[jaunty eagle]

stat priority

[uneven mason]

haste > vers >= mastery > crit

item level > all on armor peices

[grim prism]

@jaunty eagle ilvl > haste > different gear

[zinc merlin]

what so besides weapon what enchants can we do?

[uneven mason]

rings

there is tradeskill enchants for gloves.

[inner gyro]

I have seen a blood dk and demon hunter tank get some crazy self healing going, so far playing prot I feel outclassed

[zinc merlin]

haste for rings too?

[grim prism]

Deafening Crash is really important to have on one AND ONLY ONE azerite piece

[uneven mason]

yes haste for everyting

[inner gyro]

Am I missing something with prot?

[chilly brook]

I’m really only leveling my pally so people can feel better about me playing a warrior so they can rest easy knowing that I “have a crutch just in case”

[grim prism]

@inner gyro the point of prot is to not take the damage in the first place

[inner gyro]

But with magic damage

[uneven mason]

we take less magic damage too

[grim prism]

Use the talents in the pinned guide so you are able to cast cooldowns rotationally

[chilly brook]

Ummm IP and Spell Reflect?

[uneven mason]

I mean, if you're prepared for the magic hit

you're going to take less

[inner gyro]

I guess IP and spell is all we got for that?

[grim prism]

Demo shout every pack (also reduces magic damage)

SW

[chilly brook]

Shield wall

[steel mauve]

Comparing self sustain classes with a warrior is like comparing fruits to vegetables

[chilly brook]

Demo Shout

[grim prism]

Cooldowns is cooldowns

[uneven mason]

Demo Shout, Shield Wall, Last Stand (its a heal) Spell Reflect, Ignore Pain

[inner gyro]

True I guess timing is what I am screwing up

[regal island]

I mean theck-meloree index at 385 has everything in the 50-60 range

[grim prism]

@steel mauve are we the fruits or the vegetables

[chilly brook]

I mean when people say IP is “all we got” like it’s a bad thing

[uneven mason]

Lots of Iron, Balsaq we're the veggies

[chilly brook]

That’s literally a 50% reduction

[grim prism]

Its also untrue. Lol

[regal island]

but dk/vdh are on the low 50's side of that

[uneven mason]

BDKs, VDH are def the fruites

[strange topaz]

Am i reading icy veins wrong? It's telling me demoralizing shout it 40 sec cd

[uneven mason]

Cherry and Lime flavored

[grim prism]

Nope

[strange topaz]

Oh shit my pvp talents

nvm

[chilly brook]

Nope it’s 45 seconds

[uneven mason]

DS is a 45s CD

[inner gyro]

The fruties?

[uneven mason]

if you have Morale Killer (PVP warmode) its 15s

[dark junco]

So, for flask and food

is it still str ?

[uneven mason]

str and haste

[grim prism]

Yeah your pvp talents let you keep 100% demo uptime effortlessly

[chilly brook]

Strength and haste

[strange topaz]

yeah i've got Morale Killer, forgot i had it up

[uneven mason]

yeah

fun times

swapping specs to eat a feast +++

[dark junco]

alright thanks

[chilly brook]

Why would it be stam 😂

[dark junco]

just wanted to be 100% sure

[grim prism]

Although between Unstoppable Force and the Deafening Crash trait, you can cast a second demo shout before the first even runs out

[uneven mason]

^^

[chilly brook]

You guys ever have someone in a pug try calling you out for “trying to switch specs” when you just want your strength buff from a feast?

I have

It’s funny af

[grim prism]

LOL

[dark junco]

Yup

I have

[uneven mason]

during ABT I did

[dark junco]

and everyone knowledgable answer s

[grim prism]

"Nah i was gonna tank this in fury, they have better selfheals than prot"

[dark junco]

Had peeps saying: ''Yeah we run with no tanks''

[regal island]

it's kinda crazy monk has more heal/asorb per sec than any other class

[strange topaz]

someone explain to me why the fuck i would want to run Bounding Stride and not Crackling Thunder

[chilly brook]

Bolster

I mean

Not bolster

Guard

[uneven mason]

Because movement is a thing

[undone sun]

Crackling is marginal at best

[old sage]

does deafening crash stack?

[grim prism]

@strange topaz because mobility, and also you dont want to pull the entire fucking dungeon at once

@old sage not the important part of it

[old sage]

aight, ty

[strange topaz]

but i DO want to pull the entire dungeon at once

;P

[grim prism]

Also, with crackling thunder, youre probably going to have all the mobs come to you in melee range anyway so the radius is wasted

[uneven mason]

So, the longer answer is Hazzamaymay - Heroic leap resets the CD on taunt, produces aggro at the landing site, and allows you to quickly interrupt a caster (without rooting it) and intercept back to a mob/party member

to pull them into the pack

[chilly brook]

I swear I’m a DPSer in a tank spec

[dark junco]

Nice warrior parses

[uneven mason]

Bounding STride is also your best "O SHIT" button

Since there are times (esp with M+ incoming) that you will need to get the fuck out of dodge for a few seconds

and Bounding gives you A L O T of breathing room

[chilly brook]

Yea with them good old berserkers

[uneven mason]

MMM BLEEDSTACKS

[regal island]

they nerfed the berserkers

[uneven mason]

did they nerf the ticks?

cause

fuck Underrott

[regal island]

instead of 4 sec cd on their bleed it's now 8 sec

less stacks

[uneven mason]

teeming/fortified weeks that key is going to be a "NOPE"

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason didn’t seem like it

[uneven mason]

well I should say

[chilly brook]

But really as they get to 30% just stub and run

[uneven mason]

I'll just make sure to bring my pocket frost mage

[strange topaz]

Okay, thanks, i haven't run any M or Mplus yet, still leveling, so i'm basing all my comments are based on questing, and i don't think i've gone below 60% health in the entire time, so there's that

[uneven mason]

for Underrott

[regal island]

tbh though just bring a DK and they can control UD the berserkers

[chilly brook]

They can

[regal island]

makes kings rest a total lolz

[chilly brook]

Yea

[regal island]

i cant remember if priests still have shackle ud

[uneven mason]

Kings rest is a total lolz to being with

[chilly brook]

They do

[regal island]

first week those whirly bois were hard

[grim prism]

You know whats really funny about kings rest

The fact that I somehow made it all the way to 120 without completign a single zuldazar questline

[uneven mason]

RIP

I was kinda in the same boat, I had done like one of the chains, and someone was like "gotta unlock Kings REst"

so I had to grind on 7th legion rep

[undone sun]

I did that as well @grim prism

[chilly brook]

You know what’s funny? KR was the first Mythic I did at 302 and I didn’t even have the attunement

[weary notch]

I did the same on alliance. 120 before I finished Drustvar, and I didn't do any dungeons until 120. Didn't start tiragarde until way later

[undone sun]

Was able to run Kings rest first week but after the fix I had to finish the quests

[uneven mason]

were able to summon inside?

[chilly brook]

Nah just walked in

[uneven mason]

ah damn, if i had known

[chilly brook]

Or more appropriately glidered in

[uneven mason]

I skipped it week one because I wasn't attuned

Ohoho

[grim prism]

I always knew you were a true warrior at heart T

[undone sun]

[chilly brook]

Siege was a different story missed it the first week

[strange topaz]

Since our rage generation is down, is taunt much more of a thing now?

or can we still basically just use it for tank swaps

[grim prism]

I dont see how the two relate

[signal plover]

Use it on pull

Other than that it's not much different

[strange topaz]

shit not threat

*rage

threat

my bad

threat generation

[undone sun]

Yes

[chilly brook]

I mean I don’t taunt ever really

[grim prism]

Honestly I start most packs with avatar thunderclap, and save the taunt just in case I lose something

[chilly brook]

Unless it’s a boss I taunt on the charge

Just to be safe

[strange topaz]

Yeah okay cool, so still pretty standard

[grim prism]

We do hilarious AoE damage so we dont struggle with threat relative to other tanks

[undone sun]

It's inecetable that DPS' CDs line up so use your toolkit

[grim prism]

Even with the nerf

[undone sun]

Inevitable

[chilly brook]

Wait did we get nerfed?

[grim prism]

No, threat gen

Not us

[chilly brook]

Oh

Good lol

[regal island]

i mean we still haven't gotten execute back, so i feel nerfed but they mean the x4 threat multiplier vs it was like x20 in legion

[chilly brook]

Yea

I was ripping threat off this bear tank last night in Arms it actually made me cry

[weary notch]

use your threat dump

[regal island]

Yeah arms keeps getting knocked lower on the 385 dps rankings i might need to lvl a dps alt

was 3rd, then 5th now 7th

[uneven mason]

thats a good spot to be prior to the tuning wave

Because you don't want to be top 5

because that wave is gonna come wash your ass back out to sea

[chilly brook]

TBH being upper mid is a great place to be

[grim prism]

Remember last expac when they nerfed hunters so hard that the three lowest-simming specs were all three hunter specs

This isnt really relevant to the convo but it sure was funny

[chilly brook]

And tbh it’s an even better place to be because when everyone is sitting here whining about warrior DPS blizz can be like “what are they smoking”

Because there’s a lot of “waaaaaa warrior damage is OP” rn

[uneven mason]

Any time warrior DPS gets above rogue auto attack levels folks start crying about warrior DPS

[regal island]

yeah true

[uneven mason]

but the only time we actually see a nerf, is when we become optimal for Rated PVP

if warriors start topping brackets in RPVP, expect a nerf bat the size of the titanic to hit us

[chilly brook]

And even then it’s usually only arms 😭

[uneven mason]

Its almost like the folks they have doing class balancing decisions did PVP during vanilla

and hold grudges

[chilly brook]

Lol 😂

[uneven mason]

Or possibly Season 1&2 during TBC

"Stunherald"

[chilly brook]

I mean you got Ion a self proclaimed hardcore raider who okayed ilvl upgrades not being tradeable and the removal of gear swapping in m+

[uneven mason]

Running around isle of QD with my 5s team starting fights with The Family Business on Burning Blade....

good times

[grim prism]

Arms was stupid broken in 3s last expac

[uneven mason]

Autocleave

[grim prism]

They deserved a dumpstering

[strong forum]

TFW 18.71% haste with bufffood

[grim prism]

Wasnt it like 30% of the ladder was arms wars or something

[uneven mason]

yeah autocleave

[chilly brook]

Passive sweeping strikes

😂

[uneven mason]

I honestly had zero motivation to PVP during Legion

[grim prism]

Arms👏is👏high👏skill

[regal island]

sounds like t20 raid. Arms was everywhere

[uneven mason]

well I'll amend that, I had motivation

[regal island]

then coven came along

[chilly brook]

Legion pvp just felt like mongo with little counter play to certain classes

looking at you mage

[uneven mason]

I got my prestigious mount and artifact appearances

[chilly brook]

Honestly it was so freakin frustrating playing a healer

[grim prism]

Its like every time blizz takes steps to pursue a stated goal of making pvp less burst-oriented, they only succeed in making it worse

[uneven mason]

but actual rated PVP, nope

[chilly brook]

Gl dodging the poly

[regal island]

reflect it

[chilly brook]

MW has no reflect

[grim prism]

Zen Pilgrimage it

[chilly brook]

Lolololol

Good idea can’t poly you if you’re not there

[regal island]

idk why they never did "turn away" mechanics for pvp

like blind only works if target facing you etc

[uneven mason]

Grounding Totem

also, they do Helbrute

or did

Gouge is usable in front only.

[regal island]

oh yeah forgot about that one, havent played rogue since BC probably.

[uneven mason]

So I always logically thought of blind as a powder bomb that goes off and makes a cloud around your head

🤷

works front or back

[chilly brook]

I always thought of it as an annoyance

Ecksdee

[uneven mason]

I always though

[grim prism]

Its like the pepperbombs from Three Ninjas

DAE 90s shit?

[uneven mason]

3Ninja's, home alone - but less funny

execept

when they get the dudes to eat laxatives

that was pretty funny

[grim prism]

Poop jokes are the universal humor

[uneven mason]

Totally pranked my older brother with that

I feel bad tho

[grim prism]

Not as bad as him i bet

[frosty wedge]

lol

[uneven mason]

Nah, he has IBS now, probably because I pranked him with laxatives years ago.

that guilt

[grim prism]

Lmfao jeeeesus

That took a grim turn

[uneven mason]

and the fact that I have to make sure every place I live in has 3 bathrooms

[frosty wedge]

rofl

[uneven mason]

so when he visits on the holidays