save meee
#protection
sour osprey
grim prism
I'm hoping Blizz will pad the WQs for people who arent EU horde this upcoming week
daring marlin
^325 blue is what I have now
sour osprey
im almois 330
daring marlin
At least it’s the atal shield
frosty wedge
I have a 340 I picked up in a mythic, I forget which but the stats aren't ideal
grim prism
325 blue is definitely more than enough to stomp M0s, and I expect to spam the fuck out of M+ for gear, so I'm not too concerned
Probably won't be raiding because I'm a guildless pleb
Maybe I'll pug heroic for the memes
midnight moss
@Rei#9613 thank you for the ui
frosty wedge
bulwark of brimming potentialis what I ended up with atm
and yea, in the same baot, can't commit to a solid schedule so I'll just be spamming m+, no time for raiding anymore
boat*
uneven mason
Finally got a 1h and shield lastnight hooray. I mean, I had to get them traded to me from a FDK and Holy paladin, but I got them.
lunar spade
Anybody has an Ablative Shielding weakaura that shows the value with the duration ?
chilly brook
@graceful linden got a shield with avoidance second Mythic I did, no dice on weapon though
Sitting here with 340+ in every slot but weapon
grim prism
No but you can make one in about 30 seconds via the templates @lunar spade
frosty wedge
I've had 0 luck with drops - sitting at 338 with blue belt, legs, bracers, and cloak
graceful linden
Im still sitting at 325 head and shoulder
chilly brook
You know what would be nice?
frosty wedge
BUT, once I get 5 mythics done this week I'm going to make some sweet 355 legs, lol
junior ivy
does anyone ever actually use the boats?
uneven mason
For NA to get a solid emmisary reward?
junior ivy
the little boat flight paths
grim prism
I did once @junior ivy
chilly brook
Yep @uneven mason
signal plover
Yeah sometimes they're closer to WQs than FPs
chilly brook
Oh and if we actually retained that one trait that on a blocked attack or w/e we got a significantly higher IP 😭
uneven mason
The boats are like, vanilla level pathing AI
frosty wedge
I would like to stop getting 320 ilvl gear popping up in WQs when i'm sitting at 338, lol
uneven mason
"Oh you want to go to that place on the other side of the lake, lets make a stop AT EVERY POINT AROUND THE SHORE COUNTERCLOCKWISE"
chilly brook
It’d be nice if they gave me a weapon world quest
@uneven mason pretty sure they haven’t changed boat pathing since vanilla
They all move that way lol
uneven mason
Well these are the flightpath boats
that you can take in kultiras
You'd think a straight line would be possible
but instead it takes the longest possible rout
daring marlin
@chilly brook man that 4pc on antorus set was amazing with the new IP.
chilly brook
Yes it was
daring marlin
I hope they implement it again somehow
lunar spade
@grim prism can't happen to find how to make it show the current amount of armor it's granting :/
grim prism
Oh shit, I forgot
chilly brook
TBH I ‘Member when people were like “oh IP only feels good because of that it’s so bad at 120”
grim prism
Absorbamount isnt a stock trigger
chilly brook
Not feeling that
uneven mason
Guiford why would that do anything?
chilly brook
IP actually feels really good at 120 outside of how long it lasts
uneven mason
I mean, beyond removing the need to press iP more than once every 12 seconds
chilly brook
Exactly that
chilly brook
Revenge still exists does it not?
chilly brook
Most? No
daring marlin
I hate free revenge procs
candid orbit
Anyone playing Punish over Into the Fray?
uneven mason
cause its free almost every time I have an opening to use it
chilly brook
And if you really need to dump rage then no reason not to IP at that point
grim prism
Yeah you will only be able to have it show duration @lunar spade, since absorbAmount is separate from stacks. Sorry, I'm a little rusty on my WA knowledge. The only way to have it show remaining absorb would be to handwrite the code for it.
uneven mason
But you'll be dumping rage with it anyway 😄
chilly brook
Idk about you but the free revenge proc rate goes way down in single target
uneven mason
So are you freeing up GCDs?
lunar spade
😢
real fossil
IP doesn’t let you top dps on trash though soooo
chilly brook
It also means more consistent mitigation
daring marlin
You would still free up GCDs while managing not rage capping.
grim prism
I can DM you a link to the WA discord if you want to check them out, they might have a snippet for it that you can modify if you know a little bit about coding
uneven mason
I mean, its the same deal with making IP bigger - all it would do it give you more opportunity to press Devastate (another dead horse people like to jello )
chilly brook
That’s not “all it would do”
grim prism
I dropped out of college three times and failed my last coding class, and I was able to do it, so...
chilly brook
It makes your damage intake much more predictable
daring marlin
So again, you’re just being an annoying contrarian. Free revenge procs don’t happen as often as you claim.
chilly brook
The longer IP lasts the better in terms of consistency
grim prism
Also free rev procs are great, what they really should do is remove the cooldown on rev
chilly brook
Agreed
grim prism
In my extensive expertise as a games designer /s
daring marlin
That would be nice.
real fossil
Getting a proc while it’s on cd is annoying
chilly brook
I mean it’s not like it would fundamentally break the class
frosty wedge
free rev procs should reset the cd
chilly brook
I think blizz’s main concern is that it would mean too many people spamming revenge which would make them complain about having no rage to mitigate :kappa
frosty wedge
true
daring marlin
They seem to be on quite the paternalistic kick lately
Let people be free to be terrible
chilly brook
Here you know what give us the block adds to current IP value and then give us heroic strike back off the gcd
frosty wedge
man... tehse WQ... how many different pairs of boots do they think we need?
chilly brook
There now you can fix your “not having something to spend rage on”
daring marlin
I miss heroic strike
grim prism
@frosty wedge five of the same ones
frosty wedge
It's so ridiculous
daring marlin
not in bc when we basically had infinite rage
frosty wedge
I've seen the same fking boots and gloves every WQ reset for the last week
frosty wedge
I miss stance dancing fears
candid orbit
Bring it back blizz
chilly brook
And shattering throw
frosty wedge
infinite rage from getting trucked by a boss that enrages below 20, while spamming execute 😄 lol
chilly brook
Plz gib more rage and give back heroic strike
I’d be happy with that
Like real happy
lusty grotto
but
chilly brook
Like reaaaaallly reaaaaalllllyyyy happy
frosty wedge
so, does the app show accurate ilvls for emmisary rewards?
frosty wedge
did I just legitimately get an ilvl300 armor cache emmisary reward when i'm sitting at basically 340?
chilly brook
I mean BV is nice on demand rage but it isn’t perfect
daring marlin
It scales to your ilvl.
chilly brook
In single target our rage generation isn’t anything to write home about
frosty wedge
weird - all the other rewards are showing up at the right ilvl
daring marlin
bugs
lusty grotto
🤷
daring marlin
bugs everywhere!!!
You know what I find jarring? Doing as much damage as ai do compared to my pally of equal ilvl.
I hope they never nerf our avatar talent.
or I’ll be a sadboi
chilly brook
Lul my cache shows 300 ilvl as well
Wtf blizz
Didn’t EU get a weapon as a reward too at some point?
mild night
ya
chilly brook
Wtf is this
mild night
we actually got filthy rewards
weapon > and then some trinket
emblem of zandalar
str with haste procc
daring marlin
My 340 cloak is showing as 280 on the app
mild night
now just AP and gold
daring marlin
so
app is just wrong
my gm just said there’s a weapon emissary for US alliance
get fucked errrbody else
chilly brook
Ugh I just want a weapon.....
daring marlin
yeah lol
mild night
ur on us server ?
mild night
ah makes sense
jade tartan
LOL
chilly brook
Got a problem with my trolly mog?
mild night
jade tartan
Its actually pretty funny!
mild night
😂
chilly brook
I assure you I actually have decent mogs I just felt like being a dork
open bluff
you definitely that kind of orc
chilly brook
Lul
mild night
lol
open bluff
meanwhile i've just pieced together a semi-random transmog because blizz refuses to put a decent black plate set in the game
regal island
Yeah idk why prot doesn't have execute
mild night
I'vew always stuck with the wrathful set on my warrior
regal island
it's like blood without deathgrip
chilly brook
I mean this is my normal go to
open bluff
gotta rep the nightbane shield from og kara
mild night
always thought its one of the best sets in the game
open bluff
yeh i use the pally t15 on my dk quite regularly
mild night
btw which weapon enchant do u guys use, and are there any shield enchants ?
apologies my warrior only dinged a few days ago
grim prism
Those are both nice transmogs
Way better than the shit that people usually post
But there is a dedicated #transmog channel, so...
crystal heron
anyone else feelin a bit squish?
im having trouble deciding between warrior and paladin and it feels like paladin is redonk broken because of its self healing capabilitys. ill be doing mythic plus mostly this xpack due to my job, anyone got any thoughts?
glad cradle
Prot feels sturdy af, assuming you're pressing your buttons right
crystal heron
im only like 300 something
crystal heron
anyone wanna pop into general and talk about tanking?
compact sigil
dammit, mines just a 340 azerite cache
cyan cargo
@reef furnace alli/horde? EU/US?
reef furnace
alli us
cyan cargo
rip
reef furnace
D:
crystal heron
anyone able to pop into the general voice chat so i can talk to them about tanking? maybe i could get a bit of help fixing my playstyle or find out if its just my gear
crystal heron
pop in maybe we can help eachother
regal island
if you feel squishy as prot it's your shield
marble pelican
here is mine
frosty wedge
so... US alliance got a 340 weapon, and horde gets an armor cache?
cyan cargo
seems like it
compact sigil
yeah, i need no mas 340 azerite gear lol
cyan cargo
^
cerulean bison
my shield is 325 so it shouldn't be so bad
frosty wedge
not the 7 pairs of boots or 35 shoulders
cerulean bison
the bis one at that (Rezan drop)
regal island
i just need a 340+ ring and i'm set
static lance
i got a piece with Deafening Crash from the emissary, so i'm happy
regal island
yeah a 340 shield would be nice rocking a 330 atm
compact sigil
new week, this is our week people
cerulean bison
I dunno, getting rekt by every pack in them dungeons :p and its not even Mythic + yet
regal island
trash hits harder than bosses
don't facetank everything
like kingsrest the berserkers will bleed dot you and you'll die if you don't kite them
regal island
or focus them down
cerulean bison
like the goblins on Motherlode suck the life out of me, being a spell, uninteruptable and unstunable
but like all kinds of big packs hit like trucks when shield wall is on cd I think
shield block*
compact sigil
oh shit, the ones that cast that energy lash?
i forget their names, masterminds i think
regal island
as long as you dodge swirls that place is cake
cerulean bison
yea those ones chilled 😄
daring marlin
B O Y S
cerulean bison
gratzy!
compact sigil
grats cat
cerulean bison
btw, is 'lingering sporebombs' any good? drops from Sporecaller zancha in Underrot
native kelp
how do you get that @daring marlin 😦 haven't played since BC
junior ivy
oh and im about to hit revered with CoA
ashen charm
U guys has luck, my emissary today gave me 700 gold 😭
native kelp
oh fuck I think I know..
fierce halo
@cerulean bison the laser from those guys in motherload can be reflected
junior ivy
look at horde emissaries last few weeks, hordes been luckier than alliance
so dont cokmplain lol
ashen charm
But i need a sword
junior ivy
i need a 2 handed sword now for fury
ashen charm
i've a 305 sword it sucks 😭
junior ivy
aww
cerulean bison
@fierce halo rly? 😮 thanks for the info
regal island
355 1h and a 345 2h from kings rest baby
native kelp
wow fuck that emmisary
regal island
cant get better than a 330 shield to save my life though.
modern brook
How do people feel about the Utility that prot brings into dungeons?
regal island
it's not particularly fun
ashen charm
But others tank have more utilities than us
compact sigil
it was better before the diminishing returns they added to stunning mobs
daring marlin
my favorite change this tuesday
modern brook
the baseline AoE stun feels really good, but im aware its mostly cause I pug alot and getting pugs to press stuns is impossible
daring marlin
is the AH one
regal island
Like only prot utility is intervene, some stuns (which DR) and the HP shout (which is on gcd)
regal island
doesn't reflect 90% of the stuff that matters
modern brook
YEah I dont actually know what it does & does not reflect*
but it was sick in legion so im hoping it carries over
regal island
it mainly just reflects a few nukes from trash
compact sigil
its useful for decaying touch on a few of the mobs in waycrest manor
reef furnace
With enough aoe dmg from dps would it be viable to use intimidating shout for some interrupts?
grim prism
Yes but that risks pathing fleeing mobs into extraneous packs @reef furnace
It isnt your first option
regal island
yeah it's not really worth the talent point
regal island
Like with Menace it could be good. But thunderbolt is just soo much better
grim prism
I only shout if something MUST get kicked or risk a wipe, and there is nothing else to kick it
regal island
anything useful it doesn't CC anyways
grim prism
The mobs usually break out of the fear from AoE damage pretty quick
But there's always a risk of losing one and pulling additional shit
regal island
if you could fear or disorient more mobs it might be useful. I usually get "immune" pop up when i try
so i took that talent off and branded it as "useless"
grim prism
I dont use the talent for it
I generally run the shockwave cooldown
Storm bolt could be very useful, but I like the passive reduction because I have enough shit to press as it is
regal island
i've gotten used to having 2 stuns now so it's shockwave/thunderbolt seq for me
1 press shockwave, 2nd press thunderbolt
jade tartan
most ppl are using Rumbling Earth right?
frosty wedge
I am
wary plume
I like having storm bolt
so you can double stun when dps shit the best and dont interrupt
jade tartan
Yea, I am as well, but this conversation made me want to try out Stormbolt
modern brook
i thought Storm bolt and Shockwave were on the same DR
frosty wedge
I have war stomp 😄
jade tartan
same :p
wary plume
nah they're separate
modern brook
Oh sick
modern brook
oh unsick 😦
wary plume
all that i care about is the interrupt tho
modern brook
thats fair
sick sentinel
Storm bolt, shockwave, war stomp for me.
modern brook
I use stuns to not have to shield block often
regal island
diff cd, same stun deminish but they str still pretty long stuns so it's not bad and makes good interupts.
young light
hey whats our best stat? haste or versa?
modern brook
Int
wary plume
haste
sick sentinel
Because there are uninterruptable spells that need to be stopped with hard cc.
modern brook
that makes sense
sick sentinel
And ofc cant rely on dps to interrupt those spells that could be interrupted either.
Especially for mythics/+
grim prism
@young light stat prio is explained in pinned guide
sick sentinel
Sometimes an intimidating shout helps too.
primal crypt
World of World Quest
sick sentinel
Right before a quick tclap
sick sentinel
Right.
final mist
Rumbling Earth is generally better (most DPS have better ST stuns / you'll CC anything that matters), Menace can be situationally useful for packs of casters, as well as fearing everything, pulling a single mob away, and then CCing the rest so you can burst that big mob down.
modern brook
is int shout on GCD?
sick sentinel
And it's worked for me.
modern brook
I use it so infrequently idr
primal crypt
I think you can argue the two
final mist
We have more utility than people think, we just need to be a bit smarter about how we use it.
primal crypt
Rumbling/Storm Bolt
regal island
being able to rotate a 45 sec stun and a 30 sec stuns gets you more stun than 1x 30 sec stun.
sick sentinel
Mhm
primal crypt
I enjoy rolling with Storm bolt
primal crypt
@frosty wedge high five
vocal flame
you guys upgrading azerite armor for higher item level? even tho you cant unlock all the stuff for it and the lower piece has better traits? the item level is 10 difference
strong forum
no trait justifies taking a low lvl azerite piece
grim prism
@final mist care to elaborate on that?
strong forum
unless you drop having ANY deafening crash
strong forum
you want 1 deafening crash
vocal flame
new one is 310
strong forum
at all times
final mist
@grim prism ahm?
regal island
Man str proc trinkets feel so weird with IP
final mist
On?
regal island
always feel like i'm clipping my IP now
grim prism
Oh yeah DC is worth more than a 10 ilvl upgrade @vocal flame
grim prism
@final mist we have better utility than people think, it just needs to be used intelligently
regal island
thats good because there are currently no deaf crash az pieces in uldir...
strong forum
unless you have 1 deafening crash already
thats why you do M+
to get that 385 freehold helmet
grim prism
Do you mean just being more communicative to avoid DRs, or do you have some warrior protips
regal island
yeah freehold farm is cake too
strong forum
cant farm azerite pieces
in m+
its from the weekly chest only
"warri protip" you can use intimidating shout to interrupt without menace, since you break fear instantly anyway
grim prism
^ not always
regal island
it's more about intimidating shout being on GCD
strong forum
unless the mob cant be feared ofc
regal island
hard to interupt spells with a gcd spell
grim prism
SW is on global too
grim prism
You have time if you are paying close attention for it
strong forum
GCD is not such big a deal, i dont understand it
main vault
Yeah why do effort
grim prism
Lol
main vault
Just tell the spell to fuck off thatll be better
regal island
i use lvl 20 eng bombs they disorient anything
ignore the "mobs of higher lvl part" they disorient everything except bosses.
chilly brook
I’m pretty sure you can live without one deafening crash @strong forum
chilly brook
Especially since you know nothing in Uldir gives deafening crash
grim prism
You CAN but why would you want to
strong forum
it has GIGA value
chilly brook
Bruh I’m pretty sure 385 azerite with all that extra strength outweighs sandbagging 30-40ilvls
strong forum
if you willingly decide to drop deafening crash over ilvl you are doing smth wrong
na dude
not even 40ilvl outweighs dropping defeaning crash entirely
regal island
basically if you run avatar/tc build it's a very long DR
chilly brook
Wanna quantify it with actual values?
final mist
Int Shout / Menace is something that can be used for a variety of situational situations, but it's gotta be used smartly. As I described before, you can use it as a sort of pseudo-grip (fear everything -> pull one out of group via interrupts / LoS -> CC rest and kill dangerous mob), or as a general mass interrupt. Rallying Cry is a pretty good party/raid-wide utility cooldown.
Safeguard is really, really good for helping party members who don't have much in the way of defenses to survive big party damage, Spell Reflect is still strong as fuck if you can time it right, and Stormbolt is nice as a ST stun / interrupt.
regal island
30 sec of 20% dr
strong forum
100% uptime during Avatar
grim prism
Just for the record, shockwave is 100% on the GCD @strong forum. Not that I disagree with you about its usefulness
final mist
Everything just needs to be used smartly, in comparison to say, DH, where you use Sigils basically whenever you want to, just throw them down and keep going.
Also yes that image has every tank's utility.
Can thank @shut summit for creating it.
vocal flame
i was able to drop a shield slam one and get another def crash so i could switch out the helmet! good thing i saved my quest gear lol
vocal flame
i only have 1
strong forum
yea 1 DC is a must if you want to play smart
grim prism
Due to the (lack of) stacking
chilly brook
I’m not going to argue that it’s not a powerful trait
But I hardly think it’s 45ilvls sandbagging powerful
strong forum
it is
it literally doubles your Demo uptime
and 45ilvl doesnt outweigh 15% dmg and 20% dr
grim prism
I dont want to definitivelt say that it is because we dont have evidence right now
But it very likely may be
regal island
Yeah as ilvl increases and you get more haste the value on it actually goes up @chilly brook
chilly brook
Clearly the value goes up
But again
Extra armor
Extra strength (armor)
And since strength is so valuable....
chilly brook
I don’t think you can definitively say that sandbagging that much is worth
grim prism
That kind of opens a can of worms about raw EHP vs mitigation
chilly brook
^
strong forum
it is..... its either 8sec of Demo shout with say 150 extra strength and 200 stam vs 14-30sec of demo shout
grim prism
We just dont know how much
chilly brook
I mean you can sit here and say that Demo Shout doubling is super powerful but does it overall actually lead to less damage taken with that big of a gap
grim prism
I guess it depends on how much DR 45 ilvls of armor is worth
strong forum
dude you if you play it right you can have demo up for 30+ sec with avatar
thats 20% dr and 15% dmg
you cant outweigh that with 45ilvl
and by the time the 1st demo drops off you can demo again
static pilot
It would be interesting to check Demo uptime in a five minute tank and spank
grim prism
I am inclined to believe that DC may well be worth holding, but frankly I dont think we can say for sure with the info we have available today
Logs will help
strong forum
for me its pretty obvious but eh, im heading off. o7
static pilot
Is anyone else a little worried that trait might get nerfed? It's incredibly critical to warrior tanking atm, arguably too critical
grim prism
Nah
I dont like how important it is, i feel like it removes the sense of choice for informed players
But I dont think it will get nerfed.
chilly brook
@strong forum you can outweigh I with ilvls
regal island
it's only value is in the AM build
chilly brook
The question is how much ilvl does it actually become worth and how long does the fight have to be
regal island
should the AM build be nerfed
static pilot
AFAIK AM is the only viable build atm?
grim prism
^
regal island
yeah which is why it could be nerfed
grim prism
Maybe not the only viable build strictly speaking, but by far the most optimal
static pilot
Personally I liked HR better but that's just me
grim prism
Again, the only choice for an informed player
regal island
or as blizzard puts it, moved more baseline to allow other talents room to grow.
chilly brook
@grim prism pretty much what I mean you can’t actually sit here and say definitively that 45+ ilvls is worth sandbagging for DC
grim prism
Yeah, I quit in 7.2.5 so I feel you on missing the HR build @static pilot
regal island
like how can ravager be a junk talent for 2 expansions...
static pilot
I used it till the prepatch. I know that makes me a bad but I liked how it played and it worked well for me
chilly brook
With current ilvls I would agree but like Mythic dungeon gear compared to Uldir gear is literal trash
shut summit
I had 68% uptime on demo on 6min fight, against target dummy (so no rage from getting hit), only 1 stack of itf so sitting at around 13% haste, with weird delay I had on beta servers so messed up some GCDs for tclap @static pilot
grim prism
Yeah that sounds like it probably outweighs 45 ilvl on one single piece
shut summit
So prolly a bit higher
regal island
what are ur guys necks at?
static pilot
That... Sounds insane. Thanks for running the numbers Sense
regal island
i'm only rocking az17 so far
grim prism
Between shoulder and head @regal island
regal island
az lvl @grim prism
grim prism
Gottem
static pilot
Hm... Okay, let's do some math. Assume demoralizing shout is available every 30 sec due to AM, lasts 8 seconds baseline.
regal island
Thats a 26.66% uptime on a 20% dr
static pilot
So without the trait you'd use it 12 times for a total uptime of 96 sec
regal island
Basically 5% overall DR
chilly brook
We’d need to find out how much extra mitigation you’re gaining from one of those pieces
Just based off the armor and strength value
strong forum
My neck is 363
static pilot
Again, that is an insane amount of mitigation gained from an azerite trait, miles ahead of the other ones
regal island
say you get 12 sec am uptime with crash. = 40% uptime =8% DR
so it's really only about 3% DR difference
chilly brook
@static pilot but that’s not the question that’s what we already know
regal island
well a 385 with say revenge trait = +45 ilvl and the 1.5% DR from the revenge trait sooo
i'd take the 385 probably
static pilot
It's of interest to me since I wonder if warriors will see allround buffs but the trait will be nerfed
chilly brook
That sounds reasonable @regal island
regal island
only reason a 340 crash trait competes is because of avatar
chilly brook
Still though we’d actually need to see how much DR you receive through the strength and armor addition
chilly brook
Hence why I was saying it’s not quite as black and white as DC>ilvl
regal island
the base armor and armor from str is minimal.
But the str and stats buff to IP assuming haste/vers gear is big
chilly brook
If only we had a good defensive sim 🤔
😜
But I’d agree, I’ll probably be taking a 385 piece over a 340 with DC
merry cave
Anyone know how much real game effect 164 block is worth, trying to work out if the boots are worth it for completing the 2pce
chilly brook
Unless someone wants to show me hard numbers on how you’re better off with the 340 with DC
grim prism
@chilly brook we'll have it next week when logs start going up
chilly brook
It’s aids how there isn’t a DC trait on any of the Uldir pieces
grim prism
Until then theres not much more either of us can say on it
chilly brook
It’d be great if all azerite gear just had a selection of any of the traits
Because the way they’re doing this whole azerite gear thing is aids
grim prism
Yeah but then there would be no reason to keep grinding once you get a big piece
chilly brook
Only way of getting a DC piece higher than 340 is m+ and since you can’t get it from the dungeon itself because they decided you’d only be able to get them from your weekly chest gl getting one
grim prism
WoW is basically just a slot machine that you buy into with hours instead of dollars
chilly brook
I don’t mind having to put time in
grim prism
And yes, I fully anticipate TF DC screenshots thid expac
Like the arcano of yesteryear
chilly brook
But the system they’ve put in is retarded on so many levels
mortal pike
It cant TF
chilly brook
^
grim prism
Beats the fuck out of random legendaries if you ask me
old zephyr
It can loot from boralus as well
mortal pike
But you still need to pray for one in your weekly cache
chilly brook
Meh leggos were great though
grim prism
Weekly cache, TF, same shit
chilly brook
Obtaining them was aids I’ll agree
grim prism
Having good leggos was great
chilly brook
Like I said obtaining them was bad
grim prism
Having to reroll because your class needed a particular leggo to be competitive and you didnt get it
Fucking stoooooooopid
chilly brook
Won’t disagree
Items themselves were great
Far more interesting than azerite gear
modern kelp
iron fortres or tradewinds?
modern kelp
@grim prism ty
sick sentinel
340 ilvl emissary nice
sick sentinel
345 here.
chilly brook
I thought azerite pieces couldn’t warforge either
grim prism
They cant, i just called them a TF because thats how they labeled weekly cache loot last expac
uneven mason
mebbie he means overall item level?
regal island
i havent seen anything above 340 yet
uneven mason
cause yeah Azerite pieces are set item level
regal island
i'm wondering if eng goggles are gonna be upgradeable
uneven mason
I'm dreading that the way they handle the item lvel boost from the m+ cache that the Azerite peices will cap at 355 until 8.1
"sure its in your cache and you did a +10, but fucker, this shit can't TITANFORGE MEGALULS"
uneven mason
still a 355 DC peice might out perform a 385 mythic uldir item
we won't know
until we get some logs in
we can guess
grim prism
DC probs worth 30 ilvl, considering Marok Almighty said it was worth "25, possibly more"
But yeah
uneven mason
depends on the damage windows we face TBH
grim prism
Some live data will clear it up in a hurry
uneven mason
which is why we can't parse defensively so much
not situationally like a DPS can
Anyuone NA Alliane know what the emmisary is for us bluebies
regal island
340 weapon
grim prism
Discrete tanking metrics arent meaningless, but an overall "tank parse" sure would be lol
uneven mason
1h or 2h
regal island
1h sword @uneven mason
grim prism
reee
uneven mason
I finally got a 340 1h lastnight
I guess blizzard was like "IKARI finally got handed loot from aother dude, we can open up the loot emmisary for NA now"
regal island
scored a 355 from seth halls first week so i'm kinda jaded.
then a 345 socket 2h sword from kings rest so been bored out of my mind hoping to get 1 ring better than my 325 i cant seem to replace
uneven mason
355 eh?
regal island
yeah the crit/haste sword iirc
runic fjord
anyone got any idea why NA horde has gotten consistently fucked with emissaries?
uneven mason
Weapons can't TF bruvh.
runic fjord
i've seen 355 weaps
runic fjord
ye
uneven mason
Looks like gonna be a lot of spamming M+s ><
runic fjord
ayuuuup
grim prism
You already knew it bro
runic fjord
but my guild is pushing M+ ladder this season anyway so that's fine with me
grim prism
Dont act like you didnt
primal crypt
I'm wondering how far warriors will push up the ladder this time around
Would be nice to see some brown on the front page
regal island
eh dk/dh/monk are gonna be better
mainly because they bring more CC for the m+
control undead, imprison, etc
grim prism
DeAtHgRiP
uneven mason
erm, if it was about CC
than warriors would be more or less ok, cause you can bring CC without needing it on the tank
Its about the cheese
Warriors are 100% roastbeef
DKs are like that compressed turkey loaf with bits of Velveeta mixed in.
ember arrow
well
the thing about grips
is that you need to bring a dps dk
anbd you dont want that usually
uneven mason
I mean, they could just give warriors back the effect from our heroic throw glyph
would address that part
grim prism
What was the throw glyph?
uneven mason
silence
grim prism
Ahh thatd be sick
grim prism
Throw is honestly prob one of our most underrated abilities still
uneven mason
I wouldn't give a shit if it was disabled in PVP
which is why we don't have it
"waaaaaaaa warriors beat us up in PVP, WAAAAAAA"
grim prism
@mouseover throw is so great for ranged pickup without having to blow a taunt
Dont even need to retarget
uneven mason
yeah
grim prism
It can make LoSing casters easier too, since you dont need to run out to tap them and run back to cover
Not that that is a big problem given our mobility
But why make it harder than it has to be
uneven mason
I mean, give Heroic Throw a shared CD with Pummel even. just let me silence casters at range.
uneven mason
its a trade off for sure
grim prism
Lll
uneven mason
and not as good a grip
uneven mason
right
I got that
but thats not the paramount reason why DKs get brought
by any stretch of imagination
Gorefiends grasp
ember arrow
self sustain is main reason
regal island
well they need less baby sitting
uneven mason
the fact that a BDK could come out of his Vampiric blood with a 40million damage shield
ember arrow
i do mythics without healing now
uneven mason
and heal for his whole health pool
regal island
they cant 100% self heal but if they take a big hit they can get themselves back to 50% ish no problem
ember arrow
Offtank's Damage for Spectral Witch Doctor (2): 18:18 (31 Sec):
Poison Barrage 93.8K (23.2%)
Bonestorm 64.4K (15.9%)
Auto Attack 57.7K (14.3%)
Blood Boil 36.7K (9.1%)
Heart Strike 32.0K (7.9%)
Death and Decay 23.3K (5.8%)
btw thats pet add dmg for ya
regal island
I still honestly think prot needs execute as a spender.
blissful imp
The spectral beastmaster in Kings Rest is the best for DKs to mind control. I've seen it do 500k to the last boss
grim prism
No CD on rev is the best solution I heard proposed imo
jovial reef
pref off-gcd with the current kit
grim prism
You can always take IV on tier 15 huehuehue
blissful imp
Your not my dad!
jovial reef
impending victory has to be the most useless talent ever
i've never taken it
it costs rage
useless
signal plover
Aaaaaand there's the nibble
grim prism
I honestly dont think prot needs any kind of "self sustain" more than it already has
I really dont see the issue in playing a class that has a weakness
jovial reef
you say that but i find myself staying alive a lot easier as fury than prot for prolonged soloing
no other tank has that
keen spire
wat
signal plover
🤔
keen spire
lol
signal plover
U can VR after every kill
grim prism
If youre soloing and you arent using your VRs
keen spire
^
grim prism
Thats your own prerogative lok
keen spire
I've literally never died while soloing
jovial reef
i'm talking soloing, like that scenario for the new brown orcs
1 mil hp mob that you fight alone
keen spire
Last stand heals you
Ignore pain reduces incoming damage
tons of azerite traits heal you
merry cave
I don't have issues as either spec doing them 🤷
grim prism
The thing is that you should be soaking up so much of that incoming damage that the lack of immediate, powerful selfheals is moot
signal plover
Blockades heals
keen spire
^
grim prism
That is the whole basis of prot as a spec
You straight-up bricktank it and have a healer top off if and when it is necessary
regal island
prot = get hit less hard
grim prism
As opposed to rehealing damage taken reactively
Fury will do more damage obviously, but you have almost nothing you can do to avoid damage except leave melee (and stop DPSing)
ember dagger
how would you guys feel about IP doing maybe 50% of the current shield but blocking for 100% of the dmg
jovial reef
who said that? @ember arrow
ember dagger
as a sustain type of deal
ember dagger
give us an option to mitigate magic dmg
grim prism
@ember dagger thatd basically be how it was in WoD iirc
ember arrow
we have magic DR
ember dagger
what was it called back then?
grim prism
@regal island now youre talking
ember dagger
I've all but forgotten
grim prism
@ember dagger shield barrier(?)
grim prism
Spell reflect gives you some magic DR, all our personals will also reduce magic
little rain
Bring back tank vengeance 😈
ember dagger
Spell reflect is a joke lmao
keen spire
Spell reflect only gives magic DR if it isn't consumed by a targeted spell though
grim prism
That shit was so cheesable
ember arrow
SR is a joke
keen spire
gotta use it on AOE shit to get the most use out of it
ember arrow
you heard it first
ember arrow
being one of few magic DR, while most abilities arent evne reflectable, so it wont expire
keen spire
Which is actually a benefit to us, Balsaq
ember dagger
If it's gonna be as shit as it is right now it should have like half the cooldown
signal plover
SR should be decent in the raid as well
keen spire
You don't want SR to be consumed right away from a reflectable spell so you can keep the DR going for the full duration
grim prism
Yes, non-reflectable spells are coincidentally good for us because it wont kill the aura
keen spire
I don't think it's a coincidence though
grim prism
Similar game design to how taking your armor off makes you do more pvp damage
keen spire
I think that's the design
keen spire
That makes more sense 😛
ember arrow
bfa pvp still has god awful templates?
grim prism
Not templates
ember dagger
Its 25 sec and isn't affected by AM
grim prism
Just hilariously broken scaling
ember dagger
feels like a lifetime
ember arrow
25 sec is extremely short
AMS has 1 min cd
prot warr has problems, but SR isnt one of em
keen spire
idk man - prot feels pretty boss to me
grim prism
Oh we all like it, obviously
We are regulars here
Theres just nothing else to talk about this week. Haha
keen spire
yeah I've been around since Legion, just don't say all that much
grim prism
Cant wait until I can start picking apart logs for noobies and angry GMs
grim prism
will do
grim prism
Are you maintank and raid leader as well
keen spire
Trying to hammer some sense into the fools I drag through raids
yep
Been doin' that since Ulduar
grim prism
My condolences to your guild because that is the control freak trifecta
keen spire
xD
grim prism
But im more than happy to help with logs
crystal heron
hey anyone here at like 340 ilvl?
grim prism
A lot of people here
undone sun
my paladin is
crystal heron
i was wondering how much armor you got
grim prism
Not including me
crystal heron
as a prot warrior at like 340 i wanna know how much physical damage reduction you get
undone sun
lol
ember arrow
grim prism
@junior ivy how much armor DR% do you have
Like when you hover over your armor number
ember arrow
.........
junior ivy
where is it
errant ledge
...
junior ivy
grim prism
There
ember arrow
why u got ratings lol
grim prism
Under defense
errant ledge
Download deja character stats, enjoy
junior ivy
crystal heron
what is your ilvl catfriend?
junior ivy
this is deja character stats lol
grim prism
Perfect
junior ivy
340
ember arrow
same as my dk with boneshield
crystal heron
ah yes
grim prism
Thanks
junior ivy
i used to feel squishy
i dont now
my only issue is keeping aggro when im with an arms wwarrior
lol
crystal heron
hmm so do you have a pally?
junior ivy
i do all my mythics with an arms warriuor with insane dps and he pulls aggro off me eveyr pull
i dont have a pally
crystal heron
im wanting to compare the two for mostly mythic plus tanking
mild night
fuck warriors whos first 2 globals are Warbreaker > bladestorm
junior ivy
i only play one character. my warrior
crystal heron
i feel that warrior might scale better with gear
solid granite
it does
crystal heron
can you solo world bosses?
solid granite
currently i'm 344.. and mythics are pretty much hc's with more boss hp
junior ivy
i havent tried
but warrior tanks suck at soloing stuff
cause we have no self healing anymore
so i doubt it
i could probalby solo one as fury
probably*
grim prism
Oh stop
mild night
?
grim prism
Prot solos just fine
topaz belfry
If you have the darkmoon trinket you should solo without any issues
crystal heron
wonder if you took the victory rush talent if you could do it
topaz belfry
it is 20k
crystal heron
damn son
topaz belfry
I purchase it for 20k 355
mild night
got mine for 12k on a bid 😄
topaz belfry
it is by far the best
mild night
ya
solid granite
i think the single target dps is one of the best selling points of a prot warri
topaz belfry
you can get pre raid
mild night
around 100kish
autumn laurel
Blockades isn't a bad dps trinket either with how much flat str is on it
topaz belfry
I use double darkmoon
grim prism
You just need to use your mitigation more effectovely
mild night
well he/she didn't say it was impossible
frosty wedge
or just pull in small mobs to kill during the world boss for victory rush heals, lol
crystal heron
im 300 and having some trouble with normals is that a normal thing?
junior ivy
i jsut figured it wouldnt be easy for us, i never tried
frosty wedge
I always searchf or sall mobs aorund anything I'm unsure if I can kill, lol
junior ivy
garganis i sturggled majorly in normals and hroics and mythis at first
i was so discouraged
topaz belfry
btw why would you want to solo world bosses 😄 party is easier and faster
grim prism
@crystal heron no, chances are you arent using your mitigation effectively
Are you using the talent build specified in the guide?
crystal heron
im using what i got as effectively as i can
brave jetty
I will say about prot currently
frosty wedge
I was tanking heroics pretty easily right at 300/305
brave jetty
Being able to use Last Stand every single major trash pack is pretty fkn nice
mild night
we went into mythics straight away when our prot warr first dinged with 278 ilvl gear xD
crystal heron
from top to bottom left to right im 1223211
mild night
felt like mythic aggramar progress
grim prism
Okay thats good
You should be using demo shout pretty much every pull, sometimes multiple times per pull
topaz belfry
I am not sure about the other tanks but prot damage is insane in dungeons
keen spire
I usually top the charts on aoe pulls until a few mobs die
grim prism
You should have either shield block or last stand running as much as possible while taking damage
crystal heron
i do that
grim prism
What ilvl is your shield
grim prism
Yeah if youre doing what you say you are doing then you should be facerolling normals
Like not even close to being in trouble
keen spire
Don't forget about your shield wall man
grim prism
Not exaggerating that
grim prism
Is it possible you arent using IP enough to drive your anger management? Ragecapping out?
keen spire
It's pretty easy to pop off when you first pull a pack
yeah don't spend too much time at rage cap
grim prism
That would prevent you from having CDs as often as you need them
keen spire
that would be bad news
crystal heron
im using ignore pain as much as i can as well
crystal heron
i know of the 1.3x thing as well
keen spire
Mkay
crystal heron
i have it tracked to use it properly
keen spire
Are you.. idk.. facing your enemies? Making sure they're all in front of you?
you can't block if they're behind you
grim prism
Honestly, in normals, you will probably need to cast IPs and overflow the limit just to keep rsge flowing
crystal heron
hmm
grim prism
Yeah, that is a possibility. If you are actually using blocks, you might still be taking back hits
keen spire
you can also use your stuns to help the healer get you back up
grim prism
Those can feel pretty spicy
crystal heron
whats a normal block chance?
maybe its too low for passive tanking?
mines 25% ish
keen spire
^
grim prism
So you arent missing blocks if you are using block
crystal heron
which turns it into a 25% crit block chance?
crystal heron
thats what i thought
topaz belfry
also talented last stand gives you 100% block for 15 sec
junior ivy
yay revered with CoA
undone sun
nice
crystal heron
wanna pop into the voice channel so i can tank and talk at the same time?
brave jetty
Talented Last Stand is sick
keen spire
Bolster and AM are like the best talents we have xD
grim prism
Most of us are probably at work lol
keen spire
^
grim prism
I know I am
keen spire
I'm workin'
crystal heron
its my 2nd day off in a row i go back tomorrow
grim prism
Hope you got a lot done lol
hybrid kiln
So is prot good for dungeons cuz all my friends keep telling me its trash compared to DH...it definitely feels good so idk...
brave jetty
Prot's fine to good in dungeons rn
sinful niche
Hey all! Main tank for my guild here. We're heroic lvl so nothing cutting edge at all, usually AotC. Am I gimping progression by staying on my warrior? (New here, so still reading through all the old posts). Other tank is a druid, and I have a dk at 120 if needed.
signal plover
Not for heroic ur not
brave jetty
If you're not raiding mythic you probably don't really need to worry about class balance among tanks
keen spire
^
sinful niche
Thanks! I've been trying to get out of the Legion Prot Warr mindset but it hasnt been easy
sinful niche
Yea. That's my issue. Im clearing mythic and at the 325ilvl range, but it's a workout.
signal plover
By which I mean ur druids are gonna macro brezzing you to their rejuv
Are u pulling big?
sinful niche
2 packs at most
rancid palm
Is tanking with a dagger 1.8 speed same as normal 2.6 one hander?
sinful niche
Or ded
timid jay
@rancid palm yeah