Thatโs how I felt
#protection
jovial reef
prepatch felt even more terrible because we just lost our godly APM from before prepatch
sand saddle
Surprisingly
jovial reef
^
winter bone
didnt like it at prepatch but now its amazing having alot of fun
broken kite
i miss the haste
winter bone
does sim craft usually works for state weights / upgrade ect.. but atm not updated for prot
?
or what do you use usually ?
winter bone
ahh ok thnx
broken kite
i feel like someone needs to pin something to that effect in huge red bold caps
winter bone
i read the guide for stats , just was wondering if there is a way to check upgrades like dps
graceful mason
Not yet Chocco.. Im sure at some point the developers of Simcraft will create the backend for us
Many other classes have issues right now as well with how they're being simulated so they are actively working on getting it up to date
winter bone
ok great
jovial reef
oh so that's the reason prot is never on the simcraft page? not that the page really matters
it's strange never seeing it there ๐
sick sentinel
if anyone is free and feeling helpful, im looking for some WA's (other than in the pins) maybe to make tracking things/abilities either
send me some picstures/link in a message pls ๐
Pictures*
ember arrow
tracking what?
wago has a sizable selection of prot WAs
WAs are personal preference,
crystal night
Haste is more important to us than verse right?
vagrant cape
yes
crystal night
tyty
vagrant cape
So out of curiosity, do y'all have any theories for a m+ dungeons or affix "tier list" (I use quotes because the comp is super important, but all things equal, I'm curious)
I haven't done siege or kingsrest yet, but here's my personal list for mythic dungeons (favorite/best at to hated/worst at)
S : Atal' Dazar
A: Freehold, Waycrest
B: Tol Dagor, Underrot
C: Temple of Sethraliss
Ew: Motherlode, Shrine
stray wedge
Tol Dagor is vastly easier if you have a rogue, scribe, or blacksmith
vagrant cape
I love atal because the bosses are super easy and are easier with mobility (where we shine), the trash is easy, and we can break fear for when we fuck up on the dinosaur (oh, that's just me? shit.)
oh that's true. I got a bunch of skeleton keys and it's so much nicer
stray wedge
I'm not sure if jewelcrafters and engineers can pick the locks with their stuff or nor
undone sun
i dont think so, just the ones mentioned first
lethal gulch
what's the name of the 355 shield?
I mean, what's the name of the shield that blacksmiths craft
The higher ilvl one
ember arrow
@vagrant cape i love underrot/kings rest most
but i enjoy all dungeons so far
no fun sucking like arcway or COEN was when they released
or seat
vagrant cape
@lethal gulch as fas as I know, the highest shield BS can craft is ilvl 300 called Stormsteel Shield
unless there's a recipe I don't know about
stray wedge
The boe is oswain's something
stray wedge
Oswain's Impassive Guard
lethal gulch
@stray wedge thank you!
@safe perch that kinda sucks that we can't craft better shields
I was confused because I saw someone saying that they bought a 350+ shield, and I was like "well, I can't craft that one"
So I thought I was missing some recipe
safe perch
i still cant ge a shield to drop for me xd, not even on normal dungeons
lethal gulch
I have 325 one, so I'm kinda lucky tho. I hope I can get a 340 one before the raid opens
queen furnace
how much of our tankiness depends on weapon stats, i have a 300 in both slots and still take some big hits at 332
main vault
The Shield is everything
stray wedge
Shield is important
Weapon isn't directly particularly important for survivability but get a good one anyway
sick sentinel
Shield is must.
round vortex
I know its not Prot related (a prot warrior tanked it all does that count? But I did it team!
long ridge
Only idiots say that, I pugged every mythic both weeks on war, itโs not a big deal. Wars are average
lethal gulch
@round vortex gj
round vortex
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opaque dust
anyone have a pawn string that doesn't suck? the default stat weights are dumb
main vault
Pawn
junior ivy
i learned things
i just did a whole dungeon
siege of boralus
and didnt lose aggro
at all
i figured out the issue.
i can tank now yay
signal plover
did u have thunderclap unbound?
signal plover
omg
junior ivy
and now i dont lose aggro
signal plover
that's my cue for bed
junior ivy
it was such a simple fix.
undone sun
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spark hamlet
ok am i missing something or do we feel like we are made of paper i know my warrior is a fresh 120 but man i feel like things are chewing through me fast
weary notch
that's just how it feels on war. It gets WAY better as you gear up
junior ivy
yep i felt soo weak at first now im 340 ilvl and i feel fine
and now that i can keep aggro
i am starting to enjoy tanking
spark hamlet
oh ive loved my warrior and for some odd reason thunderclap is a fun thing to me to see and do
weary notch
started feeling good for me around 325 ish
spark hamlet
im only at 297 atm
weary notch
get a shield as soon as possible
I bought a 300 shield off the AH for cheap. The BS crafter PvP shields are going for 4-5k on my server right now. Cheap
spark hamlet
Just got the one out of Tol Dagor
weary notch
nice
spark hamlet
yeah was excited to get it i was thinking of dropping herbing to pick up bs but dont thinkg it would be worth the gold loss in the long run
weary notch
I wouldn't
BS takes forever to level, and it's use is going to be limited at best
I just keep sticking with it because it's so damn hard to level
spark hamlet
ill be happy once they fix the ah standing in trade trying to sell stuff isnt any fun at all
arctic venture
so is this Vers/Str Proc WQ trinket 340 better than 325 Rezans
glossy bramble
@weary notch haha thats how i am with eng
i took eng to make the motorcycle in wrath just so that leveling it would give me something to do
and now im in too deep to ever give it up
ember arrow
@junior ivy you... didnt use avatar...?
junior ivy
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glossy bramble
its a very easy habit if youre a casual player
every guide has "remember not to save your cds too long" as like the #1 most common mistake
ember arrow
"not using it" isnt the same as forgetting, so i thought the implication was that it was on purpose
primal crypt
Yeah, casuals dont use CDs
glossy bramble
the logic i had for like 3 expacs was to only use cds when im in over my head in order to make sure they were always available to save me
glossy bramble
and not use them preemptively to save time etc
junior ivy
yeah my logic is jsut "gotta make sure cds are available for boss"
primal crypt
steel mauve
trash is hell
tiny sphinx
some trash is hell
vagrant cape
Holy moly. Not using avatar on trash...
holds up hand in anime fashion
Is this... why people think prot is bad?
tiny sphinx
there are still people who swear up and down HR is better than AM
vagrant cape
I don't even know what HR stands for
tiny sphinx
heavy repercuss vs anger manag, and they will defend it to the death
vagrant cape
I honestly forgot what heavy repercussions does
Help. I'm not casual enough to know about these bad talents
primal crypt
tiny sphinx
more shielslam damag and extends blok duration, i can kinda see why it seems really good, but AM just poops all over it
vagrant cape
I wonder what it's like to play prot without AM, the avatar talent thing, booming voice, and deafening crash
tiny sphinx
especially with the block changes, im even willing to bet the uptime of demoshout surpasses the mititagation HR gives
vagrant cape
If y'all had a 325 weapon and a 320 shield, would you spam random heroics or do specific heroics that drop those items?
Is the AP and call to arms bonus worth the lowered consistency?
analog escarp
Dragon Roar is better than unstoppable force
vagrant cape
/gkick Clox
hot locust
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analog escarp
they going to nerf thunder clap damage
solemn kelp
"Target not in line of sight"
vagrant cape
I'd rather apply a permanent 100% slow than use dragon roar
lusty grotto
just doomsaying i guess
lusty grotto
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
undone sun
that's not how slows work
lusty grotto
rofl
undone sun
slowing only takes the highest %
tiny sphinx
the greater slow overrides
undone sun
also still haven't checked since beta but dragon roar didn't do damage to enemies it didn't slow
lusty grotto
analog escarp
doesnt stack
undone sun
obviously
primal crypt
K.
lusty grotto
grats!
hasty quest
Guys, https://www.wowdb.com/items/163954 can worth the money?
undone sun
depends on what your current shield is, if you've already completed m0s and how much it currently is on your realm
sick sentinel
I got mine for 190k : P
hasty quest
@undone sun its 325 rare item
it's the BIS untill Uldir?
In that case i will buy it:)
vagrant cape
Well, as soon as you buy it you could get a 355 heroic titan forged shield
hasty quest
@vagrant cape hehe, that's true
your suggestion is to farm the instance where the shields drops?
vagrant cape
If you have mountains of gold, it's less effort to just buy it. I sold my first boe and I have more than 200k gold for the first time ever. I'd never spend it all on a shield that is almost guaranteed to be replaced within two weeks.
pliant notch
Yo guys, atm protection is good to tank hero and myth?
vagrant cape
The general consensus is that all the tanks are super close together in terms of raiding viability. Warriors will be fine. Are they optimal for bleeding edge mythic progression? No. Will bringing one cause your guild to stagnate and wipe until everyone quits and your officers leave to go play wildstar? Also no.
If you meant dungeons they're fantastic. We out dps the dpses so threat isn't an issue. We also have the best physical mitigation and mobility. We possess decent utility in rallying cry, battle shout, and two aoe stuns/fears.
round vortex
Lets add some perspective to that: Would you play a warrior if you were taking on Method for world first? - No.
The content is played differently - they pick the tanks that exceed at taking consistant damage on tough mechanics so the healers know how much to heal every time the ability hits.
Now the other end: Nothing in mythic content will be unhealable or one shot a warrior. So you're good.
vagrant cape
I was attracted to warrior because it was fun despite all the tank ranking videos calling it mediocre. But now after playing it I'm realizing it's a powerhouse of a tank in dps and survivability.
round vortex
They aren't worried about the pure survivability - they are worried about repeating the same thing over and over and getting 1% better each pull. So the viability videos are just scaring people.
vagrant cape
If warriors plan their CDs out for the fight, can't they take consistent damage?
Oh, Crit blocks vs regular. Nvm
pliant notch
Ty guys
forest tartan
I got it today as an upgrade from a 325 but the lack of tertiary stats worries me
round vortex
@vagrant cape Not consistent in the way its required for the progression race.
vagrant cape
No clue. I have a 325 one and a 325 "normal" one hander with secondaries. I wanna hit a target dummy and see what's up with it and see if the proc is worth the lack of secondary stats
round vortex
THey are trying to emulate not having to make decisions. So they want the boss to melee for xxx every time. not xxx then zzz then yyy even if its marginal differences.
so the healers know for example to use a very exact spell at the right time.
So they can heal the raid and not worry about spiky damage or things that deter their attention from the other mechanics.
Usually because they are dramatically undergeared for when its suppose to be "reasonably killable"
vagrant cape
I never thought of it that way, baratus. Mythic raiders would probably take a tank that takes greater (but consistent) damage over one that takes lesser (but more sporadic) damage. Fascinating.
round vortex
yup
because they can plan better.
and not all mythic raiders
World Ranking Mythic Raiders.
inland silo
Thats not really true tho. Consistency doesnt matter when they're killing most bosses in less than 10 pulls. In legion bears and DKs were picked because they had utility that no other tank had
round vortex
then there are the wannabee try hards. Then there is most guilds that do well in their own right.
inland silo
all tanks can survive fights pretty easily
round vortex
@inland silo That's incorrect.
vagrant cape
The last time a fight ended in less than ten pulls for a world first race was xavius as far as I knkw
vagrant cape
Exactly. That's why the ten pulls comment seemed meaningless
inland silo
up until the last 2 bosses, they usually all get steamrolled
of course the last bosses will take a bit longer
vagrant cape
Since if you down a boss in ten pulls it doesn't matter what you're bringing
round vortex
the world first race is ALL about that last boss lol
vagrant cape
I agree. And last bosses take a TON of pulls which is where they need consistency. Top tier guilds are very good at getting in as many pulls as possible
round vortex
But yeah - Xavius is a joke lol probably died before EU even got off their reset lol
vagrant cape
Cenarius was the real final boss.
round vortex
And the word "consistent" probably isn't the right word. We should be saying "predictable" damage
solid granite
Xavius was first killed by an EU guild - just saying
round vortex
Yeah i was making a joke about how easy it was lol
solid granite
not to be flippant, but US-guild kill nothing 'first' outside of the first couple bosses
vagrant cape
Anyway, moral of the story: Warriors are great. Use them unless you're method.
round vortex
^^^^ this guy gets it
Shar bro - you're debating with yourself. I made a joke about the release times. THat's literally it lol
vagrant cape
I'm gonna laugh so hard when warrior tanks are in the world first kills despite what everyone predicted.
solid granite
outside of 'bleeding edge' raiders you should use whatever tank you feel comfortable with
crisp shore
why are prot warriors percieved poorly but the general community? brm main here just trying to learn more for deciding my main tank alt
from what I can see you have a ton of defensive cds and very good uptime on them + SB overall
amber siren
mythic raiders posted 'ranking videos' listing tank comparisons, people took it out of context what they were saying, now we're here
tl;dr monk and druids are good for raids because their damage is consistent
warriors can have up and down time with cds/sb and crit blocks etc
all are fine
crisp shore
yeah, that's the impression I'm getting - tank utility and individual strengths is what sets them apart more than them all filling the same role
a warrior takes much less damage over the course of a fight than I do
even if it may be spikier, they also make better use of tanking downtime to recove cds than I do
fair crystal
hey this might be a litle off topic but the guild i tank for is going to run 2 warrior tanks and i do have a blood DK in the wings should i roll dk or rekon 2 warriros will be fine ?
crisp shore
you'll likely be fine but the lack of utility from running two different tanks may feelbad at times, if there's a specific fight which has a tank role that warrior's kit struggles with you're going to wish you had another tank
wet hornet
Always nice to have a backup
static lance
i think part of the reason is that people still assume that Ignore Pain is still your main form of mitigation. So they can't have very good uptime on IP because of various reasons, take a bunch of damage and then complain.
Somewhere along the way, they completely forget about shield block
static lance
it does. i only use it to spend excess rage for Anger Management
fair crystal
yeah thats what iv been thinking my tanks are both on the same ilvl aswell ๐ but im always more comfortable with my warrior
thanks
crisp shore
how did it get to the point where people are judging you for your filler anyways lmao, this is like destro warlocks being known for incinerate 
static lance
because back in Legion it was all about IP. and people still havent adjusted their mindsets
fair crystal
i realy ever use IP now its more of a rage bump for me and pop it in between pulls
crisp shore
are there any tanks atm that deal with magic dmg well? over at the monk camp it's pretty feelsbad
proper pecan
How good is this?
crisp shore
I'd assume it's good for tanking aoe trash
static lance
i think paladins and DH have good magic mitigation
but my paladin is only 111
so i cant say for sure
crisp shore
frankly it feels strange to consider druid for tanking magic damage now after how vulnerable they were to it after the removal of mark of ursol
solid granite
also, have fun with a druid to hold aggro on trash ๐
crisp shore
honestly idk what the issue with aggro is atm, what I hear and what I experience are completely different. getting aggro feels the same as legion
crisp shore
only exception is if Im aoeing a pack and the sub rogue decides to go completely ham on one small mob and even then a taunt or 1 targeted ability sorts things
is druid dmg on the lower side atm?
crisp shore
Incarnation.exe ๐
solid granite
you wanna pull every 2 minutes?
crisp shore
I think it's 3 actually
crisp shore
honestly at the start of the expac I was so worried about all the aggro talk that I ran dave (ox statue) for a few days
solid granite
because tank dps has shot through the roof
crisp shore
ended up talenting out of it due to how many times that spinning boi pulled the world and turned the whole run monkaS
honestly I'm finding with fathoms tank dps is very respectable
solid granite
yeah
i was thinking about attack-speed enchant & devastator.. there's no sim for prot though
crisp shore
I do enjoy primary stats benefitting survivability, lets us feast on dps trinkets while hoarding tank ones 
brisk flax
last cargo
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sick sentinel
my prot tank sims more dps ST than arms
Is the darkmoon Trinket worth the 30 k gold?
blockades?
yeah
its ok i guess
I have the haste proc ones
helps with prots non existant sustain
Just if the proc is strong or not on blockades, otherwise its just an ilvl upgrade..
yeah whats up with that, world pvp = certain death.
warrior is 100% death
no matter which spec
either you bring a pocket heal
or you dont play world pvp
It's a bit frustrating when everyone else can do something to stay alive... Last stand shield wall shield block and IP does nothing
thats the warrior life
Oh well nice to know it's everyone ๐
past ledge
Hey guys, how much HP does a 340 tank should have ?
floral hatch
@sick sentinel play better.
Last stand, shield wall and IP does nothing?
You aren't playing correctly.
sick sentinel
In PvP?
median cypress
describe playing correctly
floral hatch
PvP? LOL
@median cypress avoiding mechanics, maniuplating mob abilities, and using your mitigation before the damage.
Nothing on warrior is reactive.
sick sentinel
But thats pve
floral hatch
Its proactive.
Yea. This is a prot channel.
I'm not going to even entertain prot pvp.
Go arms and get 2k.
sick sentinel
Well was just wondering if everyone else were getting completely owned when doing wq as prot vs any class
floral hatch
If you want to play off meta tank and do well. Go play a monk.
sick sentinel
Im well aware how to survive in dungeons ๐
next sable
OfF MeTa TaNk btw
floral hatch
Ok. My apologize. I don't think you can really expect to do well with prot in pvp.
fair crystal
anyone played around with Bloodsport ?
floral hatch
Or are you talking world pvp? Because that just comes down to numbers, and is completely random.
floral hatch
We have zero sustain
You aren't going to
We are designed around group play, and I like it that way.
sick sentinel
and was just wondering if everyone else had the same problem and it wasnt me, doing something wrong
floral hatch
Because I don't want to lose our strengths as a sacrifice to solo play.
It's not you.
Warriors need friends.
If we have friends we shine, we can destroy.
fair crystal
we Are like trains with not tracks
sick sentinel
Or just a pvp talent that could heal a bit ๐
past ledge
is 147k hp good for a 340 orc tank?
crisp shore
seems pretty standard
weak marsh
Hp doesnt matter that much atm btw
crisp shore
I'd argue that Hp does matter but it's not crucial
weak marsh
Okay. I can go with that ๐
crisp shore
I'm 151k hp at 340 troll monk
past ledge
i have 147k with 13.5 haste 2.7 ver and 24 mastery, is that good?
floral hatch
338, 151k
fair crystal
must be the stat on azerite gear
floral hatch
No idea, im sitting on 325 shoulders because of TC azurite.
fair crystal
yeah porbs just about to ask that
fair crystal
same crab 340 with socket :p
floral hatch
Lol
fair crystal
325 weapon tho ๐
past ledge
i just have kings rest left i think for this week
fair crystal
ummmm gawd the one from temple so its Crit vers but hey that block rating ๐
past ledge
hoping for helm from last boss
floral hatch
Thats good, all you need is that.
I still wonder if they are going to nerf our damage.
I have a hunter friend I love pissing off
fair crystal
^^ i have a guild i love pissing off since mythics are all we can do right now im one of the top dps in the guild my overall dungon dps is SOOOOO good
crisp shore
how's the last boss for you guys
fair crystal
plz Blizz let this be our niche
floral hatch
Every other pull.
crisp shore
I know he's hard hitting on his combo right?
floral hatch
Mo. Last boss of what.
fair crystal
save some rage for Ip and keep up SB should be fine ๐
crisp shore
dealing with hard hitting stuff as brm is so different to most tanks, you see big hits after a few secs in stagger - king's rest
fair crystal
i find the raptors hit harder
crisp shore
the ones with the bleed?
fair crystal
ya
crisp shore
shadow of zul on fortified weeks is going to be a nightmare tbh
fair crystal
or if you burst the boss downto fast you can get both spawn
floral hatch
Oh yea, my alt is a brm.
You have to just save your purifies
And dump two maybe
It's a very weird class.
crisp shore
one purify per combo sufficies usually
latent oyster
Do multiple Deafening Crashes traits from gear stack?
latent oyster
but the extend does not?
crisp shore
lul if the extend stacked
latent oyster
kk thanks@floral hatch
past ledge
is it better to stack Deafening ? or just keep 1 ?
floral hatch
1
latent oyster
was reading on icy vains coulnd find the info
floral hatch
I'm pretty bummed. I've done all my mythics but still want to play my warrior.
My Brm is just a meh.
There's some fun plays you can do. But it just isn't the same.
crisp shore
while brm is strong having no downtime in AM feels off to traditional wow tanking
fair crystal
yeah same Crab tryed gearing my Druid got Dk on par with my warrior but none of them feel like the Warrior
crisp shore
personally speaking DK is my favourite tank, the feedback from pressing death strike feels so meaningful, things like ironfur / ironskin / shield block just feel bad when they're down, not good when they're up
fair crystal
yeah I can agree wit that mo
its just Charge Heroic leap
the way TC feels right now aswell
vast geode
Noob question here: I leveled to 120 as fury but want to try tanking. Do I need different gear or can I just switch sepc and put on a shield?
sick sentinel
switch spec and shield on
maybe change azerite traits for more utility/survivability
vast geode
k, thanks!
floral hatch
I kind of want a DK for the grip, but I have gotten used to the interrupt drag.
Interrupt, pull mob.
prisma night
Yeah you dont really feel the impact of alot of AM except for the fact you dont get immediately popped
sick sentinel
is there a sim with devastator and gale force striking?
prisma night
Whereas deathstrike you can see your health jump up in a more visually rewarding way imo
sick sentinel
pressing devastate makes me want to kms
amber siren
you can't sim prot atm
crisp shore
it's arguably more rewarding gameplay wise too, you have more control over your survival relative to other tanks who rely on healers more.
shame that dk mobility sucks so hard though
merry cave
I dunno if anyone hear handles loots in their raids. But does anyone know of a mod that with the loot changes will allow loot council vote on unwanted items that are handed to the loot officer?
merry cave
ill see what rc is like now thanks
sick sentinel
can anyone please explain why in wowhead STR is listed as the least valuable tanking stat but the BIS trinkets all have STR? its not like they have ultra amazing uses or procs either
amber siren
I'd say judging by the "The stat value that we can expect in the 8.0 Pre-Patch is:"
It just hasn't been updated
sick sentinel
the Wowhead one has the same 'issue' and its been updated for 8.0.1
amber siren
Yeah I saw that, I'm guessing it's an oversight
I have no clue the average quality of the wowhead guides though so
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Like technically strength isn't our 'best' stat, and that's explained in the icy veins guide
little star
if it feels like your wearing paper you're doing it wrong
severe steeple
just noticed that devastate has a pretty cool spining animation on panda
cause i pressed it for the first time
merry cave
devestate has a generic animation for all races now ๐ฆ
they all do it
undead fems dont do the cool flip with it anymore
sick sentinel
@amber siren I saw that and this is exactly why I got confused on the STR bis trinkets... a haste or even vers/mastery trinket with primary stat proc should be better right?
cosmic cargo
undead fem disgusting
severe steeple
@merry cave panda spins
shy knoll
its only worth having 1 deafening crash?
merry cave
Yeah my nightbourne does it as well mpikoz, its the same animation for all horde races or at least was when i tested them on beta
It seems the unique one's like undead females forward flip were removed for some reason
i didnt check alliance though
shy knoll
or to ask the concrete question is azerite trait Incite the Pack better than Deafening crash when I already have 1 point in deafening crash?
merry cave
DC only stacks the dmage component not the extension component. Have a read of the icyveins guide
the azerite section is worth a glance over
shy knoll
yes i know
subtle egret
Sooo is there any hope of being able to use Devastator in BFA?
shy knoll
but it could be that the stacking portion of the damage is actually worth more than a tier 3 azerite trait
mossy cloud
I actually like pressing devastate bc then I donโt randomly press revenge ๐
peak compass
How do you apply deep wounds with devastator? Wait for revenge proc or spend rage?
peak compass
Doesn't
wet hornet
Huh
peak compass
Would make aggro easy if it did
little star
tc doesnt apply deep wounds
sick sentinel
so any 1 know our haste breakpoints as prot ?
vocal nimbus
there arent any
subtle egret
Seems like Deep Wounds gets applied by autoattacks with Devastator
uncut fractal
Can I use Quick Navigation as prot?
dark junco
I wish we could take devastator
I never used devastate since...110
Helps that I have Big red button for when I find myself, like once a minute, on a gcd with nothing to pop after: no intimidating shout, no tc, revenge procs, SS or IP or SB or anything
Even no shockwave
Like it happens once in a bluemoon lol
fading burrow
Hey guys, just popping in for a sec wondering if anyone happens to know the azerite veins proc rate?
dark junco
Nope, but its pretty nice for solo
Would value it even more if it didnโt stop once full
Thatโd be decent sustain
Thats not blood dk level of sustain but thats pretty good
fading burrow
^ thats exactly why I'm looking for that info.
Im trying to figure out the uptime to see how much value i can gain as hpal by using Light of the Martyr during Azerite Veins when beacons are on cooldown
to keep azerite veins active and let it heal the dmg taken from martyr
heard prot warriors value azerite veins pretty highly so was hoping someone here might know
warm tinsel
Hehyo guys! Can someone help me?
timid jay
With?
warm tinsel
Is it a good choice to play Protection Tank as twink?
dense sun
Which would you all use? This sporepod or a baseline 325 Howler?
timid jay
I'd probably use howler
dense sun
Was thinking the same, I haven't been wowed by the sporepod heal procs
zealous ore
@timid jay What's the defensive stat priority?
timid jay
zealous ore
nah
Also literally not in the pins
Expecting me to actually go read a guide
goddamn
jade wyvern
uhh
orchid root
Does anyone else feel squishy?
I feel like I'll get nuked every other pull
or do I just need to git gud
wet hornet
@zealous ore str
zealous ore
nike
dark junco
I meanly feel like we have no sustain and that Iโll get a boop on the nose when the raid comes
vernal quest
was prot dmg nerfed? on thunderclap? does nayone know somthing
amber siren
damage hasn't been touched
dark junco
Weโre 3 tanks and I donโt want to be the one to get benched, but Dh and Pally are the other ones
wet hornet
@dark junco thats why we have lower beings to sustain us
Just hope that they have trash dps
dark junco
Thats why you get benched on progression
crude pond
anyone with pawn strings for prote?
amber siren
'Sustain' isn't a thing in raiding
dark junco
Say that to bdk
amber siren
Monks and bears are good because their damage is consistent and predictable
No one takes a bdk in raids for their healing though
Like that even isn't a factor
@crude pond Don't use pawn for tanking, follow the stat priority
wet hornet
Prot has good mitigation and dps is what i have heard
crude pond
okok! ty
wet hornet
Wouldnt they want morr deeps?
amber siren
DPS is a factor but surviving is the most important thing
Every tank can do these fights
As I said, monk/bear are good for world first progression since their damage intake is so predictable that you can plan around it
Warriors are a bit more cd/rng with block but nothing gamebreaking
merry cave
I dont think ive heard of any of the big guild using bears this teir
could be wrong tho
uneven mason
Bear has threat issues more than survivability issues.
They're solid enough to be used for any content, but lack in just raw damage, I'd expect bears to see a solid boost in that arena come tuning.
native monolith
Sup. Does Anyone knows an aura that shows Demoralizing Shout Uptime? Ofc considering that duration increase due to Deafening Crash
static lance
a basic progress bar will take Deafening Crash into account, no need for anything fancy.
native monolith
But with Demoralizing Shout as trigger? Or Debuff on Target?
tranquil garden
Man the gcd changes feel god awful, ip already feels bad but gcd.. ๐ฆ Honestly I like bear despite the lack of threat just due to being able to ironfur without eating a whole gcd
wet hornet
Shoo
woeful reef
Yeah just create a trigger as aura - debuff - target cast by you
tranquil garden
myeh!
uneven mason
๐ ๐ด ๐
ashen charm
I'm doing a lot of melee in fight, is it normal ?
ashen charm
Axe throw ?
wet hornet
Cant remember the ability name
static lance
Heroic Throw
tranquil garden
Ravager?
woeful reef
I used to take Crackling Thunder then worked around not using it, its nice to have the shorter jump cd
Other than that pretty cookie cutter, think most of us are using pretty much the same thing
wet hornet
Implying you are a ranged warrior
ashen charm
Nah i mean i do more melee than devastate
And Melee often in 3 top source of dps, i'm just asking if this is normal or i'm doing something bad
woeful reef
Think thats normal
ashen charm
And how many % haste i should have ? At legion it was 30% but now ?
woeful reef
Chances are you are around 9-13% depending how many pieces of your gear have haste, without Into the Fray
ashen charm
Ok, thanks for help guys !
steady narwhal
do you think prot will be competitive in m+?
ashen charm
I hope they will buff it
steady narwhal
i dont think we will have problems in raiding, but i mostly do m+
smoky wave
Not much to buff. We're not low on m+ pushes for how we tank, more for lack of utility as I understand it
static lance
yeah at pushing high level keys its about utility, which we lack.
woeful reef
the big knock on raiding right now is AM downtime, the window is currently too long and introduces more spike damage than other tanks like bear and brew. Thats an easy fix, the M+ is not so much an easy fix unfortunately
Part of M+ is also having sustain to go with that utility which we have 0
smoky wave
Hc throw interrupt back would be nice.
merry cave
Our utlity isnt as bad as people think, i was doing 24s alright in the antorus season
and our bfa utility is better
smoky wave
Oooh I miss the banners, they were fun
merry cave
you just needa healer who isnt used to having a BDK
mind you i ran with a frost dk, so had a sneaky grip when needed
steady narwhal
i did 24s on my bdk with the healer barely healing me tbh, thats what most healers want
to be lazy
woeful reef
I was running 10s and 11s on beta between my Prot War and DH and it was so much smoother runs on the DH, wasn't even close
steady narwhal
ye, bdks lost a lot of self healing too, but still op
would be nice to have smth like battle trance on fury pvp row
would be better for survival purpose for prot
junior ivy
250 7th legion rep or 125 champions of azeroth rep
help
which is more important
current repos.
woeful reef
^ yep
next ermine
And better bonuses. 15ilvl to neck
merry cave
Im hoping there are some broken spell refect stuff in high keys to make me swap between my war and dh for omre fun
like upper kara and cath were lol
novel temple
the plague slash or whatever that lord waycrest casts can be spell reflected back to him
also the one debuff in waycrest manor
also if we used both DMD blockade and fathoms, would we be able to consider ourselves mulligan wizards?
steady narwhal
warriors lack in trash fights tbh
merry cave
erm what
steel mauve
^
dark junco
^
They lack in AM uptime and sustain yeah, but in trash ?๐ค
Unless thereโs a /s thats missing
merry cave
I mean if by trash fight you're talking about a fight which spawns nothing but casters/range mobs, then maybe
but with the block, high dps, shockwave trash or trash fights are not our issue
upper spoke
LS = 100% block, right? But does it count as AM? newb question
static lance
yes
upper spoke
oh it does? hm .. it doesnt put a little shield block icon on my weak aura
so i assumed it doesnt
amber siren
There aren't any AM checks like there were in legion, but it does count as 100% block
upper spoke
none? what about skewer?
in ... i think atal
thats just the first thing that comes to mind
amber siren
An AM check is an ability that applies a debuff or a secondary effect if an AM isn't up
upper spoke
iirc, the icy veins guide neglects to mention that there is no AM check
amber siren
Something doing a lot of damage isn't an AM check
vagrant cape
I like how the dungeon journal says "you should consider using a defensive ability" with regard to skewer
upper spoke
well good to know. thanks for the info
sick sentinel
My WA for blocking does put a bolster block icon for the duration. Much helpful.
fervent harness
both in the pins and on icyveins there are comments saying that prot war is the best tank for dps, i'm curious where that claim comes from with prot warriors seemingly excluded from most sim websites. I can see them being the highest ST dps and I know their aoe output is good, i just didn't expect it to be VDH good
raven kernel
prot war is #1 aoe dps
of all tanks
and even if you include actual dps specs, its like prob top 5
jade thicket
if you guys don't mind me posting this SS. I'm looking for advice about this 330 ring in my bags compared to the 320 Vers/Mast ring in my bags. Isn't the 320 better than the 330 based on secondaries? Stam can't be the huge just for 10 ilvl right?
fervent harness
but where are you getting that from, thats what i mean
raven kernel
from playing prot yourself?
modern brook
I get it from thunderclap personally
fervent harness
cool, so personal experience
raven kernel
pretty much every capable warrior here will tell you
they can own the meters on any sizable aoe pack
merry cave
I dont need a sim to tell me im doing 20-25k dps on an aoe pack
sick sentinel
keeping demo shout up for more damage gain while reducing damage also the AOE pack.
merry cave
i can see that for myself
sick sentinel
@fervent harness prot warriors 'excluded' from most sim websites because the API functionality to calculate/make the sim work has been broken since Legion. And no one has figured out how to fix it for BFA.
fervent harness
yeah ive seen it too, its just its quite a bold blanket statement in 340 gear to say its the best tank and better than most dps specs in aoe dps
aye i noticed when simc first put up prot warrior sims they were only swinging their main hand lol
raven kernel
its really not a bold statement at all
when most mythic raiders run with their own guild groups
and still top meters
you know its good
turbid quail
did they change aggro =\
fervent harness
mhmm i can imagine. did any of you run keys on beta?
sick sentinel
no. didn't play beta because its not final product + didn't care to spoil myself of the game when it releases.
doing beta then going into the live game kinda burns me out (im old)
merry cave
Yes plenty did, 10-12s is the highest ive heard of i only did +6
some report no issues some report worse than vdh
impossible to say how its gonna end up on live until balance patch hits first week of raid
raven kernel
i have a vdh alt and i actually think vdh is pretty weak
granted its lesser geared than my warrior
fervent harness
funnily enough im in a similar boat (but with a bdk main) rei
merry cave
VDH is squishy, but it has good damage and strong utlity
fervent harness
although on the flip side i have heard that vdh really needs that base level of gear and some azerite to start feeling strong
sick sentinel
can say the same of prot warriors @fervent harness
raven kernel
which isnt exactly that much better
fervent harness
i dunno bdk already feels pretty strong lol, i was pleasantly surprised
merry cave
i mean the aoe silence is insane for high keys if you have other classes bringnig the stuns. people who claim prot has no utility have their heads up their ass tho.
raven kernel
prot mitigates so much dmg
merry cave
it'll depend on the comp you run
fervent harness
do you guys even bother pressing IP when youre getting revenge proc spam
raven kernel
depends on my health / mobs remaining etc
prisma night
is there any general concensus or something that ip needs a change/buff?
i really am hating the gcd thing for how weak it is
prisma night
yeah ik it just seems like id pretty much always want to be using that gcd on something else unless im dying
or is that how its meant to be
merry cave
if you ask people they say iP should come off gcd, it wont happen though
prisma night
oh im not worried about the rage it takes to put ip up
it just doesnt feel rewarding enough to do so sometimes
raven kernel
eh it does to me though
steady narwhal
ye, its slow, but warrior still has the classic tank vibe
late depot
Hello i have a question. What trinket is good for prot warrior? I have the darkmoon stam/health Trinket. But what other is good with that one?
proven sapphire
Fathoms. Prot Deeps FTW
late depot
Fathoms is a dps trink D:
dark junco
Iโd love IP duration to get extended by like .5 sec for each hit we take
Would allow me to feel like I donโt have to spam it to refresh it when iโm not taking that much damage
sick sentinel
cus warriors are dogshit in world pvp 1v1.
they're for group play.
no self-sustain.
primal crypt
rest in rip
dark junco
Like I get a 30k IP, but it drops while style having 17k left on it
Maybe with azerite veins I wont have to spam IP that much to prevent loss of live
little rain
I absolutely wreck anything that isnt a disc priest or ret pally in pvp, keep some consumables and health pots on you if you need them but you should be alright in world pvp tbh
proven sapphire
any particular reason as to why Prot Warr isn't supported on Simcraft compared to the other Tank specs?
undone sun
Because it's a community maintained project and we don't have anyone from Skyhold working on it, it's on a to-do list as a side project for someone that's currently working on a handful of different specs
proven sapphire
ah, I see
toxic wadi
Man I love the fact ethat I can 1v10 as prot when questing
past willow
I've been stacking as much haste as i can but icy has vers and mastery somewhat equal to each other. My question is... is there a breakpoint for haste at which point the rotation is smoothed out enough i should be looking at mastery/vers?, and is mastery or vers better given an option between both?
chilly brook
Define "smoothed out" @past willow
digital arrow
i was thinkin' smoothed out = comfortable rage generation in most content out right now
but im probably wrong
lunar spade
The talanji's expedition Haste trinket 340. How is it on the trinket list ?, as it doesn't say anything on it , unless its been updated.
small pumice
im new to this discord but i saw in pins prot is the best for dps. Its better than DH?
i had no clue it was that good at dps
makes me want to play
vagrant cape
It's absurd the damage prot warriors put out
I rarely get out-dpsed on trash when I pop CDs
And thus threat is never an issue
small pumice
then why on earth are they viewed as one of the weaker m+ tanks
vagrant cape
๐คท
small pumice
haha
vagrant cape
It helps us avoid nerfs.
small pumice
true
my plan was to have prot warrior be my "main" alt
but people keep trying to steer me to the meta m+ tanks
digital arrow
help perpetuate the lie so we avoid nerf muwahahah
sick sentinel
are you running 25-30 keys?
sick sentinel
then i wouldn't worry about it
fierce aspen
hey guys would like to try prot. but i cant sim myself as prot
should i use fix falues from prot guide?
*values
lusty grotto
what are you specifically looking for? dps?
or just stat allocation?
sims won't work for prot
fierce aspen
i have no idea would like to wear the "best" tank items i have
lusty grotto
use the stat guide for that
usually ilvl/str > haste > versa=>mastery
haste is the most important secondary pretty much
fierce aspen
sry for the noob question but wich weights shouzld i use for pawn
lusty grotto
we don't use pawn
lusty grotto
this -> ilvl/str > haste > versa=>mastery
open bluff
If you must use pawn just put in manual weights to match the stat priority
fierce aspen
yeah its essier for me to see upgrades in my bag
lusty grotto
no real reason to use it, but yes i agree
fierce aspen
but u are right, once i will have the build and get new items its ez to compare
open bluff
It won't necessarily be accurate, but it will help you see at a glance if something may be an upgrade
cloud bone
Is the Ignore Pain absorb affected by Strength?
supple path
Any thoughts on Gutripper vs Azerite Globules?
not sure if there's known info about proc rates or blahblah
fierce juniper
@cloud bone yes
cloud bone
Thanks ๐ that explains why the max absorb was moving on the WA
wet hornet
@fierce juniper is it true that you are a warlock main now? Saw you post screenshots of your lock. You sounded really happy when you said "fuck those warrior mains."
fierce juniper
hmm nice
lusty grotto
pics so it did happen โ
stoic aspen
bis prot trinks?
merry cave
Why are people so obsessed with simming tanks -_-
wet hornet
vagrant cape
Because prot warrior is the only tank that's also a dps
merry cave
I mean thats not true at all
copper basin
vagrant cape
The problem is that the cool down is vomitrocious with AM
So if you use devastator, go for it ๐คฃ
lament tundra
snow nest
Loving them so far but I haven't gotten any 340+ helm yet
Spark could is noice af
Coil*
winged elm
Hmmm I got a 355 Gilded Loa Figurine (154 vers + 1425 Strength proc) from the emissary, think it's better than a 340 rezan's?
fierce juniper
Better for damage, probably a bit worse for survivability
autumn laurel
Am I the only scumbag that chooses the dps outer traits?
autumn laurel
Haha some of the traits are so underwhelming outside of deafening crash, though
Like one point into bloodsport feels useless
Iโm 333 so surv isnโt an issue anymore
autumn laurel
Brace for impact is really the only other trait that I feel is impactful
Fat shield slams are great
autumn laurel
In avatar, yea
wet hornet
Might have made that up
Lemme check
I was incorrect
If you really want to min-max, yes
But who wants to play an ugly dwarf?
Slightly less ugly dwarf
vagrant arrow
Do u think darkmoon deck trinkets worth to buy guyz?
primal crypt
undone sun
short answer: yes
weary notch
long answer: yes
vagrant arrow
lol ty for both answers
wet hornet
Medium asnwer: no
weary notch
correct answer: only if you're a dwarf
primal crypt
undone sun
dwarves are definitely better than tauren, and i play horde
weary notch
stoneskin + avatar means I get extra fat
jovial reef
you're fine as long as you're not belf or nightborne lul
dull pilot
tauren or high moutain tauren
broken kite
Orc
urban rain
blacc orc
crimson sentinel
Goblin
vale gyro
Red one looks better
broken kite
Don't know why you wouldn't play orc
weary notch
goblin orc
vagrant arrow
orcs have to be green! lol
solemn kelp
what ilvl were you when you tanked Siege of Boralus, fellow prot wars?
*first tanked
solemn kelp
How was it for you?
dull pilot
easest 5 man out of the 10
undone sun
agreed
wary crystal
Do tanks in general have less survivability now? Just started tanking heroics and I feel like I have to use CDs on every trahsh pack
sick sentinel
how do you guys start 'hard' fight in dungeons, I feel like its charge + aoe dmg abilities to not lose aggro immidietly OR charge + survi to not get to < 20% or die
because of global CDs and people having huge burst aoe
charge thunderclap demo shout shield block usually works for me
steel mauve
we talking trash or bosses?
ember arrow
@wary crystal yea
steel mauve
i usually charge > tclap > avatar + shield block > demo shout > tclap > IP
sick sentinel
trash
steel mauve
the only trash ive had a problem with was the ones in motherlode, with the heat beams like half way through or whatever, but i cant tell if it was because of non interruptible lazer or the healer was just slow, because he kind of wouldnt heal any one until they were half hp..
sick sentinel
I think people still aggro after 1 TC, its TC + revenge or something will lose aggro unless they all attack skull kek
I think it happens mostly with DH, rogue, arms, when they do 50k opening dps
ive never had that issue during my mythic runs
ivory cairn
does your shield slam hit harder with a better shield? (Appart from the bonus str)
ivory cairn
:<
shy knoll
any idea if gutripper or heed my call is the better damage trait?
astral crystal
@wary crystal your CDs are meant to be used more often bow
Now*
Due to AM and bolster
last cargo
How much haste would be needed to keep a constant shield block up?
undone sun
a lot more than that is currently reachable
last cargo
Figured as much... itโs been weird so far playing Prot.
wet hornet
First tier is prolly gonna give us longer sb
last cargo
Tier with Azerite?
candid vine
What about Heavy Repercussions / Devastator build?
last cargo
I didnโt think there will be tier
undone sun
less with HR but still quite a lot
wet hornet
It can last a while if you get lucky
candid vine
I've been tanking mythics and playing around with the HR/Devastator build and I find it more enjoyable and less spikes overall.
undone sun
๐ฌ
candid vine
You lose a lot of aoe Dps though :P
nimble solar
But that is like the whole wow effect ๐ฆ
candid vine
I guess I just have to get better at juggling CDs... SB + Demo shout, then last stand if I'm taking heavy damage
It's a different playstyle than the last year of legion... I really miss Devastator, having 2 buttons that do the same thing is irritating (devastate/shield slam)
potent peak
its so nice try to get weapon enchant on your weapon when there is literally 0 bfa enchants on AH xD
steel mauve
Str or armor, but im gonna be using str pots
timid nacelle
Just spent 30 minutes in the wow warrior forums. Man that place is depressing. If I didn't know any better, I would think that warriors are absolutely disgraceful.
dark junco
Thereโs weapon enchant for bfa
You just gonna know their name already cause if you try to search you wont find any filter that find it
random cliff
hey lads am i cool now? https://i.imgur.com/ZvpXtti.jpg
obvs not for the mog, showing off my new racial and here to ask objective questions about it
potent peak
damn grats!
random cliff
๐ its so dank
wet hornet
Even messier than mine
jagged bay
grats!
broken kite
Grats :)
split anchor
how is the darkmoon trinket for prot warriors does anyone know?
jade socket
in the pins
broken kite
Great at the moment
blissful vector
Any prot warriors wanna do freehold mythic?
split anchor
am blind thanks @jade socket I had checked before but did not see
undone sun
second underline in the FAQ
sick sentinel
Is there a block damage reduction weakaura anywhere?
gritty herald
I hope this isnโt a dumb question, but I am new to Prot and donโt really understand some features of its skill set. Specifically, Ignore Pain usage
Also, is it the best spec to use for leveling?
grim prism
There is no best spec for leveling
Ignore Pain is going to get used very often to advance Anger Management, more or less as an uptime buff to support your other mitigative abilities. Ignore Pain is not your primary defense
You use Shield Block alongside defensive cooldowns like Demo Shout and Last Stand (with Bolster talented) to reduce damage from big packs.
radiant hound
I generally use IP when DBM shouts at me to USE DEFENSES. Other than that shield block is usually enough
lusty grotto
no
grim prism
Ignore Pain just absorbs what is left over after those primary abilities
radiant hound
:))
grim prism
Also LOL NO
lusty grotto
that's not quite right fateo
radiant hound
ofc not
lusty grotto
when it says use defenses, in dungeons specifically, you need to have shield block up
grim prism
Please dont troll the noobs, they might think you are serious and get the wrong idea
grim prism
Well read my response and use IP more like that. Lol
lusty grotto
dbm saying use defenses is almost certain due to an active mitigation check
and Shield Block is ours
grim prism
Hard AM checks dont exist anymore I thought?
grim prism
But youre not wrong that SB would be our AM
Disregarding the fact that kind of everything we do is active mitigation lol
lusty grotto
that and bolster, i mean
true but i havent really seen any non physical warnings
or maybe i havent been paying enough attention
but yeah Demo and IP
sick sentinel
rofl
dark junco
I donโt even remember what bolster does lol
I just have it since beta and never changed
grim prism
Makes you less dead when you press LS
steel mauve
Block
dark junco
Kk, thx โค
steel mauve
Its basically a 15 second shield block with increased hp
undone sun
and no it doesn't count as am for am checks
dark junco
Is there checks anymore?
undone sun
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dark junco
(And also thats dumb that it doesnโt/wouldnโt)
broken kite
Bolster doesn't count as should block active, just makes it so you block attacks. AM checks will fail ..but attacks will be blocked.. however point is moot though as afaik there are no AM checks in BFA.
Dbm warning is generic though and your response should vary depending on boss and ability used
/afaik/
undone sun
correct
little star
Servant Splitter is dog shit vs any other weapon at the same ilvl, the bleed does like 500 dmg and hardly ever procs
static pilot
I think I'm gonna take a break from prot warrior ๐
Ilevel is up to ~335 but still toting the crafted 300 shield. Been grinding heroics daily to get a better one since all the mythics that drop shields are already locked and it just feels like pulling teeth
I hope the September patch is good to us because this feels awful ๐ฆ