has anyone got solid passes for the darkmoon deck - how much the heal is now?
#protection
sick sentinel
dark junco
we usually do fine without or fill our rogue spot with someone else when he’s not there
Alright i’m off for the noght ❤
Gnight! 😃
sick sentinel
my old team was port pally, arms, lock, feral - nice cobo, 2 resses
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also, anyone know the range on into the fray?
ok, I need to learn to read!
upbeat folio
how are you getting 20 seconds of demoralizing shout?
sick sentinel
he has the azerite trait
upbeat folio
The guide said the 2 second reduction trait doesn't stack.
old zephyr
Even without BL when I avatar I get DC CD back at about the same time it expire
upbeat folio
Why is avatar relevant to TC CD?Is there something I am missing?
ember arrow
Yes
hearty portal
Anger management + good haste + avatar + azerite trait = crazy demo shout upptime
raven kernel
You tc every 2nd gcd
ember arrow
U shud play with unstoppable force
lucid ginkgo
The talent for Avatar to increase TClaps damage and reduce its CD
ember arrow
Tc cd is halved during avatar
lucid ginkgo
That i what you're misssing
upbeat folio
I see. Gotcha.
raven kernel
You've been missing out big time if you haven't been speccing that
sick sentinel
the trait doesnt stack though 😦
upbeat folio
I am currently in it, just not using it correctly. I definitely misread the talent and thought it was passive.
lucid ginkgo
With AM you're using Avatar every minute at most in dungeons, sometimes ~45 seconds depending on how things go
sick sentinel
we're same as last expac in that respect arent we? we want to rage burn as much as possible?
prisma crane
responsibly*
lucid ginkgo
Kind of. Don't forget the increased rage cost on Shield Block.
If Shield Block was cheaper, most likely the same as before
raven kernel
Spend rage appropriately
lucid ginkgo
Krotos has the right of it, be smart about your rage spending.
upbeat folio
I am still using heavy repercussions. I haven't really messed with AM yet.
raven kernel
You can end up in a drought at times
sick sentinel
yeah but dont you think just getting it out if near capped is good, especially is the cd is close on a cd
I'd rather burn in on revenge even to get stand up for example
lucid ginkgo
Well if you're near capped on rage, yeah spend it.
That's part of being smart about your rage spending
sick sentinel
if under pressure ofc
lucid ginkgo
fml late and tired @_@
sick sentinel
😛
lucid ginkgo
But if you're at like 50 rage, be careful because who knows if trash mechanics / boss mechanics are lining up and you'd need a shield block use there
and then you hit revenge or IP just to burn rage and lower CDs, but it works against you and you have nothing and now you're a stain on the ground
sick sentinel
doesnt feel smooth though does it? I mean the spec as a whole - we have some snyergy but the ip reduction instead of block feels brutal
lucid ginkgo
It's a general statement to cover a general useage 😄
sick sentinel
and I think it's gonna be much more brutal on 15+ keys
round vortex
yay got my DMD for 30k 😃 cheap enough now for me to consider it lol
sick sentinel
gonna test it now? some figures would be nice
lucid ginkgo
I'd be more worried about the group comp you run with to cover dispels and enrages tbh
round vortex
Tomorrow I am doing glory of the wartorn hero achieves ill post some logs if u want
sick sentinel
pls m8
lucid ginkgo
Those buffs alone are what make things rough as is, and seeing as how we can't do much for half except interrupt or stun, it'll be spicy
sick sentinel
got a link to your logs?
round vortex
added you on discord. Ill post them once done
ember arrow
@lucid ginkgo druid resto vs enrage
sick sentinel
tclap slow, leap, run pray and wait for sw to come off 😛
ember arrow
Play bbelf to dispel
sick sentinel
thanks
lucid ginkgo
Yes, I know what classes to use for which buff type.
I wasn't saying I don't know, just that comp will make things more worrisome than before
sick sentinel
so, clutch, how spicey are you finding the current mythics - dipping to 10% a lot?
sick sentinel
not even around packs of 5-6?
lucid ginkgo
Well, could go bad
sick sentinel
did the westfall one in 280, was ok
lucid ginkgo
Now we're doing packs that size, but started off we were CCing and doing 2-3
sick sentinel
so you go 2 packs and dont dip to 10%?
lucid ginkgo
2 packs are like 10 mobs in most dungeons
sick sentinel
I'm asking because I do, lol
lucid ginkgo
I'm not tanking 10 mobs in mythics LOL
sick sentinel
3 paxcks is super spicey and 4 in bye bye
lucid ginkgo
At least on first week I wasn't, now it's different cause we got greedy a lot more in mythics this week with gear and it's a whole different story
steady fiber
lol guys in my server some ppl leaves when they find out that warrior will be a tank 😄
lucid ginkgo
Demo when I'm in to guarantee it's on all mobs
sick sentinel
me to, lol
sb at the same time then ip then tclap then taunting then panic then cds
round vortex
Demo shout before going in wont help
hearty portal
I had to trade away my 310 shoulders yesterday to 340 but without deafening crash
That shit really feels
round vortex
its a debuff on them not a buff on you. Avatar on pre pull charge thunderclap demo shout TC spam
unreal flume
how should I feel about this?
humble olive
lucky?
round vortex
sad that it wasn't something else lol
sick sentinel
tried the lower verion, didnt seem super 😦
unreal flume
I've got this and a 355 Jes' Howler
hearty portal
Uuh, how?
twilit copper
Ive managed to get 3 355 titanforge trinkets too
hearty portal
Isnt 345 max??
twilit copper
how is this a thing
hearty portal
What am i missing
unreal flume
355 is max atm
hearty portal
How do you get that?
sick sentinel
tf, luck 😃
ember arrow
Luck
hearty portal
Okay
ember arrow
Or be revered
twilit copper
skill 😎
ember arrow
And buy 355 cloaks
lucid ginkgo
Max TF is always 15 item levels higher of what you can get without luck; that is 340 from mythics atm
hearty portal
Well luck has never been a main stat for me
unreal flume
to be fair my second ring is only 330, and I've got a 320 shield because blizz hates me
plain gyro
3 of them die gg
twilit copper
got a 345 shield today :D
hearty portal
If you have gotten 355, blizzard dont hate you ;)
twilit copper
darkmoon trink is garbo right
ember arrow
No
merry cave
DW Ive done all mythics both weeks, done a whole ton of heroics still rocking 300 shield
plain gyro
why?
at least spam que atal'azar run raptor boss
normal even
4 runs i got all 3 items he drops doing that and 320 shield
prisma crane
trex*
prisma crane
❤
merry cave
It what I've been doing lol
Don't have a ton of time but I'm up to 13 runs
Norm
Plus heroic and mythic
lucid ginkgo
Reminds me of a shaman friend back in ICC, literally went the entire expansion up until ICC without replacing his blue shield 😄
merry cave
I've got 3x 355 items and rest is 340+ just can't get a damn shield lol
silk mortar
tiny sphinx
in same boat and I cannot justify spending the equivalent of a month's subscription for one
surreal stump
multiboxing 24 unholy dk's is a bit annoying to walk into in a warmode zone
lucid ginkgo
Thats when i get popcorn and get ready to watch reddit
merry cave
There still 800-1m for the boe on my little server otherwise I would lol
empty birch
#showtooltip
/script PlaySound(105996)
/cast Avatar
empty birch
it's just Meerah's song
hidden estuary
So ah not using Talent Devastator makes using devastate seem so useless
lucid ginkgo
Yep
hidden estuary
its not even worth key binding at all
maybe they will buff it again to a long cooldown hard hiutter
hitter*
old zephyr
I do press it sometimes, on bosses
vagrant cape
I think it's fine the way it is. It's meant to be rotation filler for when you really have nothing else to use a GCD on. I don't find myself using it very often except easy bosses.
tiny sphinx
it'll become less and less used the more haste you get, and then blizzard will change something to try and make it relevant again
vagrant cape
If it were stronger with a CD it might be too strong because it really only gets pressed once in a while anyway. So a buff like that would be a straight dps increase with little to no gameplay change
hidden estuary
it would also break the devastator talent they would have to rework both
lucid ginkgo
Hell, if it gave rage it'd be better
tiny sphinx
the way devastator was was perfectly fine and amazing even at low haste, the way it is now it's garbage even with high haste, if only they could conceived a middle ground... hmm....
hidden estuary
i was just using devastator and came back to boom voice and scratching my head at it
vagrant cape
I want devastate to stay simple. This class already has enough plates to spin imo.
tiny sphinx
3 rage per swing, perfect middle ground between 0 and 5
lucid ginkgo
Also when you get a chance, tae a look at your damage breakdown after a single target boss
You may surprised how high Melee is 😏
Now imagine if devastator gave rage on melee hits too
tiny sphinx
white damage was always rather significant if you'll forgive the potential racial undertone of that statement
tiny sphinx
yeah, that's what im saying- it ain't nothin' to spit at
ember arrow
I just found that disclaimer hilarious
tiny sphinx
this was the intended impact
i mean- Blizzard made the numbers white to begin with, so it's not our fault
configured MSBT to make all my autoattack damage brown so as to be fair to all other colours
ember arrow
vagrant cape
The italicized words (Blizzard, white, and our) form an anagram of "Nerf prot warrior." coincidence?
torpid pecan
Hey guys new here 👋 am I've always tanked and I'm really conflicted between my warrior tank with the odd dps run or my Veng DH, think warrior is the better choice performance wise
ember arrow
It is in raids
old zephyr
Never not warrior
torpid pecan
Yeah yeah I will be raid tanking
ember arrow
But a baked bean is better than vdh in raids
torpid pecan
Oh really
tiny sphinx
you're reading too far into things, i would never be that subtle when insinuating hate crimes on blizzard's part
vagrant cape
I mean, you're right. I can count the number of black human main characters in wow on one antler. Because I don't have antlers.
tiny sphinx
Mr. Popo
torpid pecan
Thanks guys I'd heard really stupid horror stories and DH tank is the best and all this
Obviously shit talk
ember arrow
They and dk will prob be similar in m+
tiny sphinx
dh is the most uh... mobile
vagrant cape
I think warrior is more mobile
torpid pecan
I want midigattion not mobility tbh
ember arrow
But in raids dh has few cds and parry based am
vagrant cape
DH can leap more frequently, but they also use it for dps so the warrior wins in midfight mobility or the DH loses dps.
tiny sphinx
yeah, dh revolves around: is your sigil of flame up 80%+ of the time? y/n
torpid pecan
Am can you still like stack ignore pain numbers? Or is it better now to just keep it as it ticks off
tulip pond
Coming up with a proper first world problem; is there any way, be it by equiping a specific type of weapon or something, to disable the absolutely hideous animation where the character swings the weapon from bottom right to top left?
torpid pecan
Or should I be spamming rage into it ASAP
undone sun
IP is realistically your rage dump
vagrant cape
You can stack it up to 1.3x the current cast amount
ember arrow
Thyme is observing
torpid pecan
So no more than 2 in quick succession?
ember arrow
Sometimes god stays in heaven because hes afraid of what he created
tiny sphinx
i overlap IP shields because nothing is hard right now and i have nothing else to do
ember arrow
@torpid pecan gl with it being on gcd
undone sun
lol
torpid pecan
I mean quick in a relative term haha
ember arrow
No its nit efficient
torpid pecan
Quick in a bfa world of warcraft 😂
ember arrow
Byron said correctly
tiny sphinx
ember arrow
Its best to use it to dump rage and when it exlires since it doesnt really stack
My bed after ip went on gcd
torpid pecan
Cheers guys appreciate it, haste still our main stat isn't it
ember arrow
@torpid pecan str is main stat
torpid pecan
I mean main secondary sorry
tiny sphinx
the rule still stands- there is no such thing as "too much haste"
ember arrow
Yes
torpid pecan
Cool thank you
ember arrow
But all sec stats are relatively close in bfa
tiny sphinx
i guess technically once you get to a point where all your ability cds are the same as 1s globals, then you can probably stop, but i'd keep going anyway
torpid pecan
I know this is the prot thread but what's arms and furys top secondary stat
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
torpid pecan
Haha
vagrant cape
IP being on GCD means I really only use it in the following scenarios:
- Between pulls.
- Rage dump on magic damagey fight and I don't feel like humiliating the dps further.
- During avatar between thunderclaps on really dangerous magic damage.
Here's where I never use it:
- Early on in a pull when I should be getting aggro.
- Easy fights when I want to top the meters.
- During avatar when thunderclap is up.
- As an oh-shit button. That's what health stones are for. Ideally you don't want to ever be in an oh-shit moment.
tiny sphinx
mast and mast since they buffed arms mast anyway
torpid pecan
Cheers byron I'm gonna save that
torpid pecan
Yeah yeah I am going too, just wanna get started with prot
Am got distracted
Cheers for the help
ember arrow
Np
vagrant cape
No prob! Thanks for stopping by. Remember to let people know that we're a shit spec so blizzard won't nerf us.
torpid pecan
Haha will do dw
vagrant cape
But let players know we're great so we get into groups.
unreal flume
^ this one
ember arrow
Thats alot to ask for byron
vagrant cape
It's just the best of both worlds, why is that too much to ask?
unreal flume
Just let people know that the spec is pretty terrible, but the remaining prot warriors are clearly just in it for the challenge
vagrant cape
What's interesting is that I try to ask every healer how I am to heal (since I started prot in bfa) and they've all said it was smooth and easy. So the bad perception is really Sco's fault
And just about every YouTuber who made a tank ranking vide
I watched all of them, thought that prot was gonna be garbage, but I ended up picking prot warrior out of five different tanks at the last minute because it was so goddamn fun
vagrant cape
And now I truly feel like they're super strong and underrated. And they do a shitton of damage which is why I loved my prot pally in legion
True. It's m0
But no one even knows mechanics yet. So once people learn what to kick, when to stun, etc, the pulls will also get easier
white storm
Yeah a bit too early to tell right now only way to die right now is just lack of stuns / interrupts, facetanking bad mobs or standing in stuff for any tank
Will agree our damage seems top tier with avatar atm though
unreal flume
Most of those ranking were by feel anyway
And the main complaint was that warriors felt the same, but worse
tiny sphinx
haste values are so low for everyone, hard to really gauge tank paces atm
ember arrow
Dh and monks dont really need gear as much as others
tiny sphinx
being sub 15% feels like peddling a bike through hummus
undone sun
i have 5% on my paladin, it indeed does suck
unreal flume
"peddling a bike through hummus" 😂
tiny sphinx
i stole that line from scrubs
unreal flume
It would be nice if I actually got haste drops
severe steeple
gilded loa figurine for the underdog main stat or zandalari emblem for the hero haste?
sick sentinel
as a proc, i prefer main stat personally
ember arrow
Main stat provides armor from str
Better have main stat consistently
And secondary proc
severe steeple
loa figurine is some vers with 1200 main stat
thats why im not sure cause it's kinda too much
although 730 haste proc with constant main stat O_O
sick sentinel
I have one with ilvl 345
tight tree
All depends how hard actual mythic raid bosses will hit and how good we are @vocal remnantific boss mechanics. so far cannot judge prot for this, normal/heroic raids not hard enough. Going into mythics, still will have 2 tanks geared. Fun-wise, prot and brewmaster are my 2 favorite. I also love DH but cant justify wasting time on a tank that is essentialy dungeon-oriented (and i am not m+ pusher)
ember arrow
I like dk because it can do both
Also lol at the ping
Firrst few weeks of mythic is where tank choice is biggest deal
tight tree
heh was unintentional
Out MT is DK, and i dislike them because they are so slow. Too bad, i dig undead edgy aesthetics, but playing blood making my blood boil.
ember arrow
They cant be slowed or knocked back or stunned
With abilities
So u can just walk out of a 50% slow at 100%
tight tree
I loved DK in WoD, then legion changes butchered class for me (DS changes etc), never felt that good since.
ember arrow
Ds feels amazing
tight tree
Nah i just like charging and rolling and jumping around 😉
ember arrow
I like standing in an atom blast and not moving
tight tree
Indeed to each player his own fun. Maybe will level Blood as 3rd. My only character (except warrior) that i have all CM golds done, tons of effort put in, achievs and transmog.
hearty portal
Is there challenge modes in bfa for tanks?
ember arrow
M+
undone sun
or do you mean proving grounds?
ember arrow
For tanks specifically we dont know
tight tree
Proving grounds will be, i think. Mage tower-like, noone knows.
tiny sphinx
y not bolth? er.. all 3!!!
hearty portal
Proving grounds maybe
Where you get gold medals etc
I remember it being a thing befoe, for dps atleast
ember arrow
Proving ground are for tanks too
plain gyro
where can i reforge azerite gear
unreal flume
Next to transmog vendor
plain gyro
thx
smoky wave
Sweet. Guests coming today so my wife did my embassy quests for me. That and blockades will do me nicely.
fierce whale
troll warrior master race?
smoky wave
There are other races?
fierce whale
according to my login screen.... no
smoky wave
sounds familiar!
junior igloo
Account sharing? That's a report
ember arrow
undone sun
🤔
ember arrow
Meiffert taking SF too seriously
smoky wave
When I'm pushing world firsts, we'll call it an issue.
Don't hold your breath for that one
ember arrow
I think hes memeing
But idk meiffert for memes
If it was thyme
It would be obvious
undone sun
ember arrow
plain gyro
Can heroic drop over 340
ember arrow
Yea
ember arrow
So if i let my gf play wow (she hates wow, just hypothetical) its also acc sharing?
plain gyro
yeah
Reckful has millions of followers and there have been thousand post threads trying to get him unbanned for account sharing and they still wont
blizz dont fuck around with dat shit
neither does riot
ember arrow
Whats the problem then
Acc is blizzards property
I am not
If only blizz class design team and writers were as good as their security
plain gyro
well up till about 6~ months ago they had pretty trash security when it came to bots lol
they finally made a new anti cheat
balmy lichen
new anti cheat = sue the bot devs
plain gyro
nah they legit have a new one
ember arrow
But that takes effort
plain gyro
even basic noob fishing bots dont work
ember arrow
U know blizz stance on effort
balmy lichen
yeah sure, but the big hit it was the legal action against bot devs
plain gyro
they only attacked honorbuddy
and they only did that because they were dumb af and released cheats for overwtch
they were fine for 10+ years b4 that
shows how little they care about wow, but if you touch there baby overwatch look the fuck out
cosmic cargo
blizz generally doesn't care about acc sharing with like a friend or relative
plain gyro
if they cared they wouldn;t of moved there head team to other games yearrs ago
and put diablo 3 rejects like jay wilson on WoW
ember arrow
Why u still here then
cosmic cargo
if they did i'd prob be banned by now
ember arrow
Legion was enjoyable. Bfa is too si far
balmy lichen
yeah
cosmic cargo
just too many WQs
cosmic cargo
there's things they could easily catch if they wanted and don't
plain gyro
there has always been WQ
plain gyro
they just wenrt marked on the map and were called dallies
cosmic cargo
yeah but rep is too valuable, it makes you spam WQs way more than i'd like
plain gyro
Champions of azeroth is the only 1 that matters
cosmic cargo
if you want to enter raid as geared as possible
you do
the others matter too
355 items
balmy lichen
sooner or later u will be maxed with all reps
ember arrow
Ye but thats ur own goal
plain gyro
lul 355
ember arrow
Its not mandatory
cosmic cargo
later the 355 items won't matter
plain gyro
you can buy 355 from ah instead of grindign rep for 400 hours
cosmic cargo
it's a massive deal
lunar spade
Eu has a trinket from WQ emmisary that proc for 703 haste 😮 340 ilvl with 203 str main stat 😄
cosmic cargo
and instead spend irl money or grind even more for gold
lunar spade
Emblem of zandalar btw
ember arrow
Ye @lunar spade
cosmic cargo
yes because you'll totally make millions of gold that fast
tiny sphinx
i miss the dyanmic play style changes that some oranges offered, but those got taken away, i also miss the amazingly dynamic changes to play some set bonuses made but they get made irrelevant within 2 tiers
plain gyro
the ammount of time it takes to get that ONE 355 item you could of easily made 500k+ gold
ember arrow
Idc about gold
plain gyro
gold buys more 355+ items then it does grindign the rep
balmy lichen
it's good its gone
tiny sphinx
honestly if i were on the design team i'd bring back every old set bonus that ever existed as a kind of set enchant and you can pick and choose and mix n match, i dunno 2-3 of them
cosmic cargo
500k gold is 1 boe basically
plain gyro
nah they are already all 50-150k my realm
tiny sphinx
to hell with balance
cosmic cargo
well not on mine
tiny sphinx
things will never be perfectly balanced
cosmic cargo
druid T13
smoky wave
Oswain's was down to 136k, I was waiting for it to drop more, now it's back to 600k. no one'll buy it for that
cosmic cargo
now that was broken
tiny sphinx
tweak as you go, that's what they did for years
plain gyro
the game was the most balanced when the hybrid tax was around
rets, shamans etc at the bottom
tiny sphinx
they are taking the candy ass nintendo route now- more concerned with the "interactive story experience" than the meat and nuts and bolts of the gameplay meta
plain gyro
@tiny sphinx lol this
tiny sphinx
im not saying that at all, im saying it's watered down to hell
ember arrow
Then prove iy
plain gyro
I dont have to have 6k mythic+ score to know a game is easy
plain gyro
just like i dont ahve to collection all 204010412040 bannanas in donkey kong to say its easy
ember arrow
Otherwise its a vapid statement
@plain gyro i dont nees to do hard content to say the game is easy
Great logic
plain gyro
it is lol
cosmic cargo
game used to be a lot easier
people were just a lot more shit
you can say it was harder in mop
and that's about it
ember arrow
Some bosses now woukd be raidbosssz years ago
tiny sphinx
all you have to do is look back at the mechanics of previous iterations of the game, it's objectively watered down comparably, which is neither good nor bad necessarily, it's just a question of- will this really grab people's attention for as long as we think?
cosmic cargo
dungeon bosses nowadays have more mechanics than old raid bosses tbh
onyx vessel
in vanilla most bosses had max 3 mechanics
tiny sphinx
no, but i should be
plain gyro
I look at top dps in dungeons, i see shit like Hunters top damage: Pet; Claw, Pet: Auto Attack, Auto shot
Arms warrior: Deep wounds, blade storm
ember arrow
Watered down? Trash has more mechanics than bosses had
onyx vessel
bc slightly more
junior igloo
There is a wider spread.
Normal Dungeons and LFR are easier than ever.
M+20 and mythic raiding is a lot harder than in the old days.
plain gyro
mythic raiding and m+ didnt exsist lol
smoky wave
I'm fine with watered down a bit. My life has changed and WoW has kinda changed with it. No way I could play like you needed to in vanilla now to get the same experience.
onyx vessel
normal isnt even normal from cata
cosmic cargo
you know bm pet auto is tied to their most important rotation ability?
onyx vessel
its lfr from cata
plain gyro
Heroic = old normal
onyx vessel
and mop lfr pre flex
ember arrow
Its ok meiffert. Apparently i can say tgat the game is too easy without doing hard content
onyx vessel
lfr became flex lfr is legit loot piñata
ember arrow
Game is easy= i can prove it by effortlessly getting 100% parses
tiny sphinx
im talking about your toolkit and mechanics you use to address those difficulties, those have been watered down considerably, the encounters have more going on, we have less to do
ember arrow
Getting top100m+
junior igloo
@balmy lichen
Might be different faction or region
balmy lichen
mh
cinder pasture
@balmy lichen it’s horde only
junior igloo
Compared to when, Jokan?
balmy lichen
im horde
cosmic cargo
i do think game has been getting easier since mop
balmy lichen
EU horde
ember arrow
Then sshow me world first on these easy classes
cosmic cargo
but it's still harder than it was before mop
onyx vessel
technically game it self got harder its just the player base got ALOT better
cinder pasture
@balmy lichen huh, weird..no clue where the WQ went then 😦
balmy lichen
@cinder pasture in what zone was?
onyx vessel
gives me a challenge when i pull 30mobs
LUL
the block system if you unlucky with shields is pretty annoying
had a 290 shield till 331 said fuck it spent 295k on the boe shield
gained a stupid amount of block
balmy lichen
no aggro at all
exotic tiger
@balmy lichen it's talanji emissary for today
cinder pasture
@balmy lichen I’m silly, it’s the emissary
plain gyro
start of wotlk was dope grinding gear with def rating just so you could actually tank a heroic
now peopel cry cuz they have to find a shield
😄
junior igloo
Tanking in vanilla was pressing 1 button (sunder).
Tanking in WotlK was a rotation of 2 macros (96969). (You could argue that Brewmaster has been at this level last expansion).
Tanking since MoP involves double resources, generating and spending on active mitigation on top of your cooldowns.
I'd say that the complexity hasn't changed much since then (up or down), it's probably where Blizzard wants it.
balmy lichen
ah thank you @exotic tiger @cinder pasture
exotic tiger
wotlk protpaladin was cool and fun
plain gyro
wotlk prot was god tier
exotic tiger
put your buttons on 1-6 and press in order
exotic tiger
prot palladin
onyx vessel
well always
ember arrow
@plain gyro grinding in wotlk was dop e. Yet getting rep by grinding wq isnt
merry cave
Lol it sounds like you didn't even play wotlk tbh
plain gyro
Rep is for scrubs
tiny sphinx
tanking in vanil was more about generating threat than surviving, you geared for surviving and used abilities for threat, now it's come around and then back again and now it's middle ground- you gear for both and use abilities for both
ember arrow
Google is all u need @merry cave kappa
plain gyro
if you are talking to me, there was a def cap that you needed so you didnt get crit
onyx vessel
still seems ez compared to now
plain gyro
wtf you mean
onyx vessel
games hard
ember arrow
Thats it
onyx vessel
bad plays
onyx vessel
so is levkos mom
exotic tiger
having IP on the GCD
onyx vessel
KEK
ember arrow
I ask time and again
exotic tiger
still feels terrible
plain gyro
Ive already told you, dont need to collect all 59195129559 bannas in donkey kong to say its ez just like i dont need to be world first or 11/11m to call something easy
tiny sphinx
whether or not you have world firsts doesn't apply to the play style being shallow and unintutive
ember arrow
Collecting bananas isnt similar to doing hard content
onyx vessel
oof
merry cave
Claiming something is easy and not doing it yourself 🤔
plain gyro
So if a rank 1 pvp'er calls wow easy he cant becuase hes not 11/11 m
ember arrow
If smt is easy you should be able to demonstrate it
plain gyro
NICE LOGIC BRUh
cosmic cargo
pvp in 2018 
vocal nimbus
Calling pvp a minigame is a pretty dumb comment
junior igloo
Sure, Jokan, but how is it shallow?
Vanilla warrior was 1 button (sunder) because everything else generated less threat.
Tanking in WotLK was 2 buttons alternating.
How is it more shallow now than then?
cosmic cargo
maybe not a mini-game but it's a separate thing completely
onyx vessel
levko soloed it
tiny sphinx
sunder was 3rd threat generator, shield slam and revenge did more, but that's splitting hairs
onyx vessel
cmon
ember arrow
Its definitely a smaller and diff part of wow
tiny sphinx
it wasn't perfect in vanil either, in fact, looking back with hindsight it was pretty terrible then too, my beef is: the technology has come so far to make for more dynamic interactive play and yet all we have are the same 3-5 buttons on every class
tiny sphinx
if i didn't know any better i'd say blizzard was grooming the game for a console release
plain gyro
vanilla was 90% pvp
onyx vessel
pvp is gay
plain gyro
it is gay your right
ember arrow
Definitely a console release. That most retarded thing i read today
opal birch
@plain gyro now u can predict alternate outcomes? man this guy is good
plain gyro
they are def grooming for a console release
tiny sphinx
back in the day you raided to pvp or could also pvp to raid, the gear worked well in both, nowadays pvp may as well be a separate game module
cosmic cargo
it's kinda funny you say that when MDI that's existed for 1 year is having a lot more success than arena tournaments
plain gyro
every class = 2 generators and a spender
onyx vessel
prot has 4
plain gyro
just enough buttons for ps4 controller
onyx vessel
nob
cosmic cargo
FFXIV is on consoles and is arguably more complex than wow has ever been
your argument makes no sense
plain gyro
i mean look at diablo 3 they still milking that dead ass game releasing it on nintendo switch 😄
ember arrow
Yes u dont need any cc, mounts, pots
plain gyro
they goin to milk every cent out of WOW
ember arrow
Bound to anytbing
plain gyro
WoW will be on nintendo switch, i phone etc
ember arrow
Just the 4 main rotational buttons
tiny sphinx
d3 is a pretty good example of good complexity, albeit maybe a bit too much and too wide ranging
cosmic cargo
i don't bind mounts tbh
merry cave
Lol this idiot whinging about a company making money
onyx vessel
@ember arrow these noobs complaining dont use pots cmon
ember arrow
@plain gyro this company wants to make money off of their product. What terrible stuff
junior igloo
Yeah, but optimizing those 5 buttons is not that easy.
There are multiple resources and procs to take into account. You don't just press them in a static rotation as used to be the case.
That makes it a lot more interactive.
But you are partially right, it's not too complicated and that's by design.
The reason is that there are new players who need to understand the basics quickly to be able to play.
That's why the difficulty can't come from class design - all players, new and veterans have to play the same classes.
The difficulty comes from encounter design - high level dungeons, mythic raids, high level pvp etc.
cosmic cargo
he's a vanilla fanboy what else to expect
plain gyro
Vanilla is trash
merry cave
This guy's either a troll or stupid 🤷
onyx vessel
wow cant be on a controller
plain gyro
Morg stop cosplaying as a girl
ember arrow
@merry cave both?
plain gyro
you weirdo
ember arrow
Says the guy with a female avatar
merry cave
Probably @ember arrow
plain gyro
says the guy who likes fuckin teletubies
onyx vessel
2018 ppl can be both genders
ember arrow
You know my age?
onyx vessel
adult game?
ember arrow
He IS all seeing
onyx vessel
levko is like 12
plain gyro
i can tell exactly how you look and how old you are just the way you speak
you have a neck beard , 32+ years old, live in moms basement
sec
onyx vessel
asmongold is the god?
plain gyro
sorry you liev in your dead moms house*
onyx vessel
ember arrow
Thats not very nice
tiny sphinx
ultimately I will concede to what Meiffert said, it's just so disappointing when they take an entire expansion one way, then take away everything you earned/learned because they want newly sub'd boobs to feel more comfortable at learning the game
ember arrow
Nothing of what you said was correct
junior igloo
Wish I could live for free and be able to grow a beard 😦
balmy lichen
^^^
tiny sphinx
kinda makes the effort seem cheap and worthless
onyx vessel
balmy lichen
only the part of living for free 😄
stray wedge
This doesn't seem on topic to me
ember arrow
I see @plain gyro ran out of arguments so started with personal insults
onyx vessel
it really isnt macro senpai
plain gyro
You keep bringing up your dead mom for attention
plain gyro
exactly
stray wedge
or anywhere probably
plain gyro
tell him to stop talking about her i dont want to hear it
stray wedge
@plain gyro stop
sick sentinel
cast ignore pain
ember arrow
Its ok blocking exists for a reason
onyx vessel
ignore pain isnt reliable
onyx vessel
i use it to dump rage after a pull to lower avatars cd
ember arrow
Because it is there as a rage dump
onyx vessel
^
oblique slate
Deafening Crush is good?
onyx vessel
very
oblique slate
Thanks
onyx vessel
you NEED one
oblique slate
Glad i got it
sick sentinel
hot locust
Your forgetting the actual 20% from avatar too
ember arrow
15% ffrom DS
hot locust
Nothing is stopping you for dps purposes. :^)
hot locust
I wont run it for prog, but on farm i'm gonna be all about those DC traits.
onyx vessel
collecting flags is sooooooooooo stupid
fuck
when some lvl 113 mage attacks you then you get zoned out mid fight
wut
onyx vessel
nope
analog escarp
👌
stray vault
always use the highest ilvl in that slot right?
stray vault
fasho
covert fable
what about simming for trinkets, etc?
merry cave
Doesn't work I don't think
Just gotta test it or go on feel
But I'm not 100% positive
cosmic cargo
your best bet imo for trinkets is checking bloodmallet for other tanks and making an educated guess
for dps i mean
that should work for most, except like begone bee which has a class by class mechanic
covert fable
yo guys I know this is kind of offtopic but are there any EU mythic+ discords that are active? All the ones I know are dead
vocal nimbus
Pretty sure they are dead because m+ arent open yet
covert fable
I know but some of them haven't had comments since may
merry cave
Lol god damn they hotfized they engineering thing working on flight paths
vocal nimbus
Afaik there was one called mythic+ keys or keyz
merry cave
I made aommany of those leveling it up
vocal nimbus
It was pretty popular
scarlet yacht
Prot warr dps in dungeons is ridiculous
analog escarp
i dont buy self-healing
ember arrow
Then cant help you
analog escarp
i like the blocking prot
ember arrow
You can unbind leap and charge 
smoky wave
If I'm strong enough to block a punch from a titan, I'm strong enough to jump/leap/run wearing armor. I'm ok with it.
smoky wave
I wouldn't be able to jump about in it, but then again if a titan punched me I'm pretty certain I'd be chattin' with Bwonsamdi too.
broken kite
: )
analog escarp
gratz boy
kind willow
I don't check this discord much, but as a prot main I have to ask - Are they planning on nerfing Unstoppable Force? I'm currently out-dpsing ALL classes/specs as a tank on aoe packs, Thunder Clap is ridiculously strong
ember arrow
Only thing prot has going for it
kind willow
So are there plans to change it or?
vocal nimbus
Not that we know of
analog escarp
they should
vocal nimbus
But we never know if tomorrow the nerf will come
analog escarp
so embrace yourselfs
vocal nimbus
I bet you cant out dps arcane mages tho
analog escarp
arcane mages whats that?
vocal nimbus
One of my guild's is pulling 50-80k
kind willow
haven't seen a single arcane mage since launch ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal nimbus
While mana exists (1-2 min) thet delete everything
kind willow
My guild have started calling me El Clapo Grande, just wanna know if we're getting nerfed so I can prepare x)
broken kite
Would be funny.
ember arrow
@kind willow would kinda ruin the spec
main vault
hmm don't remember Watcher mentioning any tanks yesterday
cosmic cargo
just yesterday? 
main vault
I just saw someone say "apparently Watcher mentioned them in the Q&A"
cosmic cargo
ah
oblique quarry
winds of war or blood siphon?
queen oracle
I am sure you guys get this question alot but how viable will prot warriors be for uldir?
jade wyvern
yes 😃
queen oracle
Nice I like that
hearty portal
Thats what we have done since wow's release
hearty portal
If someone ninja pulls, Its a hunter pet
queen oracle
Got it
twin hazel
were actually in a fine spot right now
we cant say what they will do before uldir though
with how the community is we could get a buff
no class is ever not viable
hearty portal
We are in a okay spot, I would say! Not pleasent enough to be in a "Fine" spot
hearty portal
Magic is annoying
twin hazel
use your cooldowns
hearty portal
Haha don't worry. I never die
I just said that it's annoying :p
Spell reflect, pummel, shockwave, Intimidating shout is our magic mitigation pretty much
And IP ofcourse but yeah
I still never understood why we can't block magic damaging abilitys with our shield
And arrows
Makes perfect sense
cinder nova
But we can.
SR and there are blockable magic attacks.
Also last I recall ranged attacks are blockable.
exotic spoke
Going into underrot mythic the first time and not knowing anything was interesting week one. Blood tics hurt...
cinder nova
Yeah gotta kite those little assholes.
exotic spoke
Yeah I learned that very quickly
Last week. This week was easy. Mage blizzard them and win
sick sentinel
I just skip the ticks.
queen oracle
Im always afraid im gonna lose aggro while kiting
exotic spoke
Mage tanked those
exotic spoke
Ava charge shockwave clap
queen oracle
Sounds good
cinder nova
Revenge
exotic spoke
Well ava
Charge
Demo etc
cinder nova
dot maintains
exotic spoke
Yup. And if my frost mage has to kite because he didn’t wait a second or two fuck em
sick sentinel
Prot too good.
Get that block 50% damage dream before mythic+
38%rn with 325 shield, low mastery.
radiant hound
How long did you guys wait before you started tanking heroics?
i,e, Siege of Boralus
radiant hound
sorry
twin hazel
i waited until i could q for them
radiant hound
i meant mythics
twin hazel
duh
radiant hound
bleh
fickle kiln
Walk in heroics. You could even do walkin mythics with 300 ilvl
main vault
I did mythic at like 288
twin hazel
310-320
unkempt hatch
started running them at 310 ish Fateo, but surely can be done earlier 😃
smoky wave
heh, I'm 317 and next time I'm on for an evening I'll be seein gif the guild wants to do some
radiant hound
i mistyped i meant mythics, not heroics
main vault
I try to mix it up
fickle kiln
Nothing hits that hard. Most are avoidable mechanics.
main vault
@radiant hound I did mythic dungeons at 288. They are doable, with a coordinated guild group
fickle kiln
Interupt stuff
radiant hound
hmm. i guess i should just try. too worried they´ll just shit on my tanking 😛
smoky wave
are there any videos floating about on them yet? or that just a case of waiting for m+ before that happens
fickle kiln
Still sitting with azurite blues since all the 340s i got have shitty traits. Feelsbadman
ember arrow
Ilvl>traits
exotic spoke
I started mythics at 305. Guild group was between 305 and 320 when we started
twin hazel
ilvl>traits unless youre getting 1 DC
exotic spoke
^^
uneven mason
@smoky wave Fatboss has walkthroughs of all the mythics posted as well as WoWhead guides.
@radiant hound As a prot warrior I wouldn't worry, about dying unless you endup with a crap healer, or idiot DPS, at lower ilvls you can CC and pull careful (explain how you're going to pull before you do, if you need to LOS or interrupts or CC) mythics are laughably easy as long as the group respects the mobs and what they can do.
once you break 310 - 315 they become incredibly easy.
even if you stop CCing
the ONLY time I felt like I was going to die once I broke 320 is when I did AD with a disc priest and some facepulling DPS
smoky wave
great thanks
radiant hound
@uneven mason Thanks. Im just worried because I just have to PuG everything .
I suppose ill try Siege of Boralus
yolo
round vortex
What server bro? If you have a pug surely there is a guild that can use you? We always need tanks for Mythics
radiant hound
EU Kilrogg
round vortex
Ah nvm. Barthilas here lol
exotic spoke
I like siege, I thought it wasn’t bad. Some people said they didn’t like it.
radiant hound
Sure I just dont always have the time. My work schedule is quite erratic 😃
vocal nimbus
I too started my first m0 with 280something, guild group tho
fickle kiln
I have x2 DC and helm is ignore pain one. All pieces are 325. The 340 shoulder and chest I could replace have shitty traits.
exotic spoke
I’d replace one of the pieces - chest or shoulder
fickle kiln
it doesnt do +4 sec instead of +2?
uneven mason
No
uneven mason
during beta it was 1 sec and stacked (3 s at 3)
but then they changed it to a flat 2 and only the damage stacked
fickle kiln
whats the point in goign x3 like in the guide then?
vocal nimbus
For damage
fickle kiln
im already top dmg when I avatar+tc+revenge spam
vocal nimbus
Damage bonus to thunderclap stacks, the bonus seconds to demoralizing shout dont stack
uneven mason
yeah 3 DC is gross
fickle kiln
I guess I read an old version of the guide
uneven mason
had a fully geared WW monk in my group lastnight, at first he was like "I'll try not to pull aggro off of you"
ember arrow
@fickle kiln then you can be MORE DMG
uneven mason
and after the first 2 pulls I was like "You mean, you'll try to beat me in DPS at some point?"
primal crypt
😄
uneven mason
They had not seen a "good" prot warrior yet
fickle kiln
I dont know why people were complaining about tanks losing aggro
uneven mason
they still haven't but I know how to press Avatar and TC spam
because they grouped with BDK, BrM, and GDru
Paladins warriors and VDH have no issue with aggro (VDH has issues with anything that deals more than ant level damage tho)
fickle kiln
uneven mason
was in a heroic as arms ( cause I like to be lazy occasionally) VDH was kiting every pull
like, wat?
fickle kiln
Thoughts on Battlefied Focus traits
vocal nimbus
Fop you can find up to date info about trais in the icy veins guide
They are all ranked and explained
fickle kiln
battlefield focus isnt there there
scarlet yacht
Top-tier DMG traits for prot? Is DC all the rave?
uneven mason
@vocal nimbus you mean Freehold, and now that they don't wipe aggro when they do the toss I really don't care much about them haha.
I just try not to have more than 2 of them at a time because it makes me lose uptime on my Avatar +TC spam
vocal nimbus
@scarlet yacht yes
uneven mason
Occasionally they slap me in the back when they toss me, which hurts (no shield armor sucks)
vocal nimbus
Ikari - they annoy me with the sudden camera change
scarlet yacht
Thanks @vocal nimbus
uneven mason
Ah yeah the POV shift is obnoxious I'll give it that.
uneven mason
feels like something that is intentionally intended to challenge the tank
ember arrow
it has a cast time
uneven mason
Which we need a few more of
ember arrow
thats the warning
uneven mason
actually the toss does not have a cast time
uneven mason
the backhand does
ember arrow
0.5 sec
vocal nimbus
0.5 sec cant be considered cast time
vocal nimbus
Im not talking about the impact on ones hp
uneven mason
I'll have to check my settings, because my enemy castbars were not showing any cast time prior to the toss.
sterile edge
Hi!, do you know where Can I get a shield in bfa?
ember arrow
general sense
uneven mason
Koviander, I don't know.
vocal nimbus
There are 2 rares with shields
ember arrow
^
uneven mason
If you find out how to get one outside of the auction house
sterile edge
ops
uneven mason
World rares can't proc above like 273-280 or something silly
unless there is the WQ for em
uneven mason
the yeti
vocal nimbus
You can also craft 310 shields with blacksmithing
uneven mason
still using my quest blue +++
ember arrow
@vocal nimbus i do agree that freehld with its toss is the most obnoxious trash ive seen
vocal nimbus
I dont dislike the toss
uneven mason
ember arrow
its really disorenting
vocal nimbus
Its just that it haooens to much that its rude
uneven mason
uneven mason
Yeah, I've got luck
vocal nimbus
Craft yourself something
oak nebula
i have the exact same shield on my warrior but im 338 ilvl >.> may have to craft the bs one
uneven mason
I'm JC, and too stingy to buy a 300ilvl shield for the insane amount folks are asking for them
6ilvl improvement isn't worth 40,000g
green sky
I got the Crowd Pummeler shield on mythic last night, was a 50 ilvl upgrade, feels good
vocal nimbus
Ive got a crit mastery 340 from mythics
uneven mason
yeah, I've run out of Mythics to run this week that drop shields
I have just Siege left to run
vocal nimbus
Spam heroics
uneven mason
going to have too
sterile edge
thx for the tips
kindred magnet
The 350 BoE shield is BIS atm, on my server it's only about 150k atm which isn't too bad. Can be nice if you've got plenty gold
uneven mason
sadly I rolled over to a new servers >< all my gold is on my old realm
kindred magnet
Aw 😦 I had no luck with shields in mythics at all so I decided to buy it. Shields seem to be pretty rare for some reason :p
sick sentinel
https://i.imgur.com/EUEDzMR.png which 2?
kindred magnet
I'd go with Barnacle and Emblem tbh.
old elk
1 and 3
dreamy quarry
@uneven mason Just buy the 350/355 boe, it's gotten considerably cheaper
If your JC is paired with Mining, it won't take long to farm
misty hinge
hi is prot warrior easy to play lol im planning to make it my main alt
i main brewmaster
analog lantern
omfg is it just me or is the mini-boss before the final boss in King's rest just, impossible to survive?
hybrid sundial
ye its impossible to survive
analog lantern
what
misty hinge
thanks @valid gorge
kind prairie
🤔
valid gorge
Well
valid gorge
I've been playing protwar forever, so maybe that skews my view a bit
you think it's the hardest?
Guardian is definitely the easiest yes
kind prairie
I don't know I've only tanked for real as prot
grim prism
@misty hinge prot war probably has the lowest skill floor, but i wouldnt really say it is "hard"
TLDR you run Anger Management and press a cooldown if you are about to take damage
kind prairie
Tried bear and dk and got bored
vocal nimbus
Brm is really easy too
grim prism
The highest skill floor**
grim prism
As in, takes the most effort to play at an acceptable level
misty hinge
i main brm i want to chooose another tank as my main
grim prism
If you already main brm then prot war is probably a fun change of pace
valid gorge
i think mechanically, Brewmaster is probably the hardest to "understand"
vocal nimbus
Warriors are high risk high reward
grim prism
^
misty hinge
brewmaster is a litlle forgiving because no one can one shot you lol
exotic spoke
I don’t feel we’re high risk.
grim prism
You mitigate damage outright as opposed to purging it off or healing back losses
valid gorge
IP on GCD is something that should have never seen live imo
everything else i like prot in BFA
grim prism
So you have to ensure you are actively mitigating, proactively, for big pulls
grim prism
You make up for that increased effort by mitigating more damage than probably any other tank in the game, and doing hilarious AoE damage
valid gorge
havn't tanked as DH yet, but it seems easy from what I read
exotic spoke
I mean that’s pretty easy honestly. Maybe it’s just me.
grim prism
We obviously enjoy it in this channel
exotic spoke
True true
Yeah, one of my guildmates is doing the DH thing in mythics and it’s pretty easy he said
twin hazel
i myself am confused af by DH tanking
mostly because i havent done much of it
do you just do damage and live?
grim prism
Once you get the hang of it it is easy, but if you are used to a more reactive playstyle you might have a little bit of culture shock lol
exotic spoke
Warrior since day 1 baby
valid gorge
DK is pretty easy, but it gets harder cuz people's expectation go up when you run m+ as one
:D
crystal night
Should I be spaming demoralizing shout no matter what ?
Or saving it for big hitting momenta
Moments *
summer sequoia
do you guys think we'll get buffed?
twin hazel
always
grim prism
@Mokhu#9475 no
twin hazel
it comes of CD quick
uneven mason
@summer sequoia Why would th
summer sequoia
I'm tanking fine but... just feels like all other tank specs are stronger
grim prism
@crystal night pretty much every pull, sometimes multiple times per pull