the IV guide is solid and explains a lot
#protection
prisma crane
if you're prone to missing things, reread too
there's more there than ppl seem to notice
fathom marten
Will there still be the same feel of SB CD reduction with high haste? There was a huge diffrence from 28% to 33% And up
uneven mason
Whole section on mistakes
runic fjord
probably, I feel a huge difference when haste talent is fully stacked and isn't
uneven mason
And yeah Thrav, SB has a noticeable reduction from haste
You will notice when you don't have ITF stacked
cloud bone
what's SB's cd like with 5 stacks not home to check right now
cloud bone
that's not too bad
cloud bone
the only thing I would say is reduce the bas 18 sec to like 16 sec but even then it's not needed
uneven mason
so 16seconds without SB Up which is almost perfectly covered by Last Stand
Its not needed
we have ~ 100% effective uptime on mitigation
fathom marten
You're right
runic fjord
by the end of uldir we'll be pretty set
uneven mason
There are only a few gaps where you're going to have nothing available
runic fjord
Bolster CD reduction is pretty OP
uneven mason
The true skill to raid tanking as prot right now - making sure the window where you have no mitigation tools available doesn't line up with a tank buster
runic fjord
^^^^^^^
uneven mason
or even dungeon boss tanking
runic fjord
and if it is, being able to tell your healer "I need barkskin/painsuppression/etc"
uneven mason
Like, don''t pull the double berserkers and try and face tank them when you don't have anything in your pocket
fathom marten
Yep, mythics I'm so glad I'm running with guldies because I can figure out a dmg mit rotation
uneven mason
yeah #2 is understanding that tanks are intended to use externals
its not a "sissy move" to yell for a barkskin
Even though I used to tease the bear I tanked with in HC ABT
runic fjord
lmao
uneven mason
that he'd be screaming for externals at scyth 5
and I didn't need them until 11+
Block - its whats for dinner
fathom marten
I'm attempting to put a spreadsheet together for my guild for tanking. Explaining what spell the boss does and what the tank should do for mitigating it
Think it'll help people
runic fjord
eh
most of that information will already be available in fairly easy to digest formats
uneven mason
Make sure you make the VDH column just read "Beg for externals"
runic fjord
if you wanna do it go for it
fathom marten
Lmao
runic fjord
"What is magic damage reduction?"
fathom marten
You guys are killing me
sick sentinel
hey guys a quick question, dark moon card for prot shall I buy it? is it bis right now?
runic fjord
bis no good yes
runic fjord
tank trinkets pre raid are pretty meh better to grab dps haste trinkets
uneven mason
The basics of tank trinkets right now is "they all kinda suck"
runic fjord
but if you get it cheap, why the fuck not
uneven mason
well, a high ilvl haste trinket is solid defensively
fathom marten
@runic fjord well burning throne had a similar spreadsheet for tanks about the bosses and greatly helped me out going in.
sick sentinel
its 25k?
fathom marten
Reason why I'm doing it
uneven mason
seems avg
runic fjord
oh what 25k only?
tardy jolt
wtf 25k?
runic fjord
didn't realize they'd gotten that low lol
uneven mason
yeah they seem to be stabilizing around that
tardy jolt
thats cheap lol
sick sentinel
tank trinket darkmoon card
undone sun
easy buy if it's 25k
uneven mason
yeah snag it
tardy jolt
i should check the AH
runic fjord
@fathom marten hey man if it helps you, do it up. Fight guides are a dime a dozen right now so it's really up to you.
@undone sun i've got a scribe in my guild who's made 3 mill in the past 3 days
slender nova
What's recommended ilvl for mythics? Currently 321 tanking heroics
heady warren
started mythic with 295 gear
slender nova
Fuck, okay
heady warren
went easily
undone sun
same
junior ivy
i started mythics at 305 ish
slender nova
Okay no problem
undone sun
it really depends more on your group
runic fjord
mythics are all about execution
if your group has interrupts and can do the fight mechanics properly and have cc for annoying packs
you can do it way undergeared
heady warren
yeah, just soulstone healer and run from boss to boss 😄
tardy jolt
i began them 310 and just did it YOLO without cc or shit
runic fjord
i mean same but my group was a vengeance dh an outlaw rogue and a frost mage with a disc healer
*havoc dh
herp
uneven mason
Mythics are a challenge at sub 300 but doable, at 300 - 310 they feel like they should (about as hard as cata heroics) once you break 310 they're pretty laughable
using CC helps with the early runs
we don't HAVE T to face tank everything
tardy jolt
^yep
runic fjord
yeah honestly
uneven mason
by 330 you're going to bulldoze 3+packs at once without breaking a sweat
tardy jolt
my life got noticably easier when my rogue & mage began playing with 2 hands
uneven mason
+++ having a Rshaman Rogue Mage and Hunter in my group for 2 dungeons last night
chain CC on casters with uninterruptable casts wat
runic fjord
btw is it just me or does rsham feel weak as fuck rn
could just be that my guild's rsham hasn't healed in like 4 expansions
tardy jolt
everything that isnt a disc priest feels weak right now in m0
uneven mason
depends what its setup
runic fjord
but she's the only one i've played with
uneven mason
Like, if they're wearing haste and vers gear
they're going to heal like a wet fart
stat weights matter a lot of Rshm right now
stacking crit and mastery
they're the man on the silver mountain
runic fjord
lol tru
uneven mason
the Rshm literally healed me for 60% of my health from 15%
tardy jolt
Speaking of darkmoon trinket
uneven mason
they were like SKADOOSH and I was suddenly ok.
tardy jolt
I currently have that mastery on-use and str on-use trinkets, both 340
will darkmoon be a noticable upgrade
uneven mason
probably not
runic fjord
yeah honestly i think it's probably her lack of experience
tardy jolt
thought so, just wanna make sure im not missing some huge benefit of it
uneven mason
Rshm hasn't changed a whole lot over the years
Like, I used to heal back in TBC
and outside of needing to watch mana more
its for the most part the same
quaint kiln
If you haven’t played with a MW you’re missing out.
uneven mason
and I mean, not spamming ranked down Chainheal
quaint kiln
It’s laughably broken atm
runic fjord
my guild's rsham regularly parses top 100
tardy jolt
indeed
runic fjord
trust me i know
blissful imp
You guys using pawn and manually set stat weights? Just looking for haste +mastery/versatility and not worrying much beyond that or what?
quaint kiln
Yes @blissful imp I manually set stat weights
wide juniper
FeelsBadMan
tardy jolt
i havent actually saw any MWs recently
plain ice
monkaS
uneven mason
item level > haste > vers>=mastery > crit
runic fjord
he's one of those autist savants that can't play any class well but we stuck him on mw healer and suddenly all orange parse all day long
sick sentinel
Raidbots doesn't sim prot though? should I use my own simcraft desktop app?
blissful imp
I mean, you could PIN it. I just looked through and don't see anything about stat weights other than priority and simcraft is broken for us. All which I already knew
runic fjord
nothing sims prot rn
sick sentinel
idk
wide juniper
And people saying Pawn is not worth it as well.
sick sentinel
so how do you determine your stat weights without simcraft?
blissful imp
Right. The pin says nothing about it, do I'd figured I'd ask
plain ice
why would you set your own stat weights? i advise against that
blissful imp
You can manually set weights, wondering if you guys doing that and if so what you using
plain ice
that's just a bad idea - read the stat weights section of the icyveins guide
runic fjord
To quote @uneven mason literally 30sec ago
item level > haste > vers>=mastery > crit
knotty vortex
how is teebus for the 1 hander
blissful imp
Right, so the answer is "no, not using stat weights just comparing and making a decision"
runic fjord
pretty much yeah @blissful imp
knotty vortex
teebus has no status but a fire effect on it
sick sentinel
thank you for all comments and suggestions guys, I purchased it 😃
knotty vortex
stats
sick sentinel
: D
robust kraken
alright im having problems with my stats is it haste vers or haste mast
uneven mason
its item level
undone sun
wide juniper
It's legit in the guide
sick sentinel
what are the most effective azerite traits? and do them stack?
wide juniper
In the guide.
solid granite
if your stats look like this you're golden
fathom marten
Shhiiitt
runic fjord
rofl
fathom marten
Wtfff
runic fjord
Hint: Bloodlust.
tardy jolt
2200 haste rating is cute
lucid ginkgo
All I know
cloud bone
for the weapon enchant what makes the armor one better then the haste one?
brisk flax
really hate this dumb privacy law
solid granite
i'm not planning to tank raids, but i'd reckon armor > all in a mythic raid environment
limber tulip
@lucid ginkgo only 70%
severe steeple
can't look at warcraft logs because of anti piracy law?
limber tulip
?
brisk flax
the antiprivacy
tardy jolt
not anti piracy, privacy
severe steeple
lawl missread
brisk flax
like it says Top Tanks and then it just says the name of the class now
lucid ginkgo
watchout
brisk flax
LOL
limber tulip
Poor guy
lucid ginkgo
75%
limber tulip
I’ll try to screencap next 90+ 😼
merry monolith
lucid ginkgo
to be fair tho my gear is horribly itemized at 343
limber tulip
Tanks are such a hot commodity rn I never get to dps ):
vocal nimbus
🤷
brisk flax
Tanks are always a hot commodity my man
limber tulip
You see what you wanna I guess
lucid ginkgo
and I dunno why that's such a surprise, I've talked here now and again
lucid ginkgo
Not my fault you're not around for it
limber tulip
Oh I know punisher
brisk flax
to try and win my favor and attentions
lucid ginkgo
not that I'm diminishing you for that, I'm sure there are some others who feel the same way
limber tulip
If only there wasn’t lockouts on m0
lucid ginkgo
don't you worry
brisk flax
that flies
dark wraith
hi guys sorry I would like to know about stats
lucid ginkgo
^ that is also posted in the pins
brisk flax
so it is solid
on the right there is a table of contents with any information you could ever want to know
dark wraith
great, thnx so much 😃
brisk flax
personally i prefer to find the theorycrafters and see what they are equipping these days
cause sometimes they dont share it all hahaha
or they are testing something that is sweet
tardy jolt
yeah but keep in mind that we only had 2 weeks of m0 for loot so probably they dont have the items they actually want
brisk flax
ya
of course
but
it is the best that can be gotten usually
under the current circumstances
maybe minus a few things
it depends on luck i guess too
but the majority of people that do that play more than everyone else
uneven mason
😡 shield drop rate
brisk flax
_<
bang your head into it my friend haha
that's usually what i do
will sit there for 12 hours banging my head into something if i have to or even days spamming... tedious but it gets results
junior ivy
is there an addon that will tell me when one of my mission tabvle missions is complete
without having to go back to the boat
😦
thatd be an awesome addon
delicate schooner
brisk flax
been trying to put together a build that hybrids a bit between survivability and damage cause threat seems to be an issue from what i hear
sick sentinel
its really not though...?
brisk flax
that's not what i have heard repeatedly
sick sentinel
if you have threat issues, its a learn2play issue.
I've never had threat issues in this expansion so far.
blissful imp
Hit your buttons more
sick sentinel
AOE or otherwise.
wheat tide
The only time I have an issue is when I first charge in to a group and someone goes full single target on one of the mobs, taunt fixes that quick though.
sick sentinel
https://gyazo.com/8dd3fe5dd94dba66df53edd47527f25b and press your buttons accordingly.
Practice makes perfect.
Know what you're going into.
vocal nimbus
@junior ivy you have a button to open the mission UI in the minimap
brisk flax
could just buy an Oswain's @uneven mason
vocal nimbus
its the one with the alliance icon
sick sentinel
wtb WF/TF Oswain (not plain)
delicate schooner
I could foresee issues if you were going up against a bunch of big bursty AoE DPS like WW/Arcane/etc.
brisk flax
no point that shit will be garbage the second M+ comes out
brisk flax
would need to be a hell of a TF lol
so on this guide
it says haste #1
until what point
?
wild atlas
Really want to go home and drink some rum while I do world quests.
brisk flax
sorry that was a question i forgot the question mark lol
wild atlas
Can someone run the sims on that for me?
delicate schooner
I have no evidence to back this up, but if I had to hazard a guess the cap is probably substantially higher than we can realistically achieve. Reducing GCD is a huge deal
spare estuary
brisk flax
so probably somewhere around 30%? like before?
strong forum
delicate schooner
Higher. Like, so high you have to make macros to spam your abilities faster than your fingers
obsidian granite
the glory of IP on the GCD is boundless and can never fully be diminished by haste
but damn if we won't try anyway
delicate schooner
We prot warriors tell stories to our children of the promised land. Where warriors can press IP whenever they want.
Someday we'll be fast enough to get there
wild atlas
It came and passed good sir. It was a time of legends. A time of...Legion.
lethal bridge
I wonder if I am the only one that feels like ignore pain being in the GCD feels awful
delicate schooner
Nah that's a pretty common opinion
delicate schooner
I don't mind it so much, but that's probably because I didn't play prot in Legion
wild atlas
Take intercept off GCD
lethal bridge
Imagine eating a cake, you can only eat a spoon every 20sec, it feels the same
brisk flax
So Oswain's a world drop ? or
brisk flax
lame lol
runic fjord
it's not that great
wide juniper
Go 4WAY
delicate schooner
I don't find that I'm all that hindered by IP on the GCD. Even during Avatar when our GCDs are most impacted, you can always squeeze one in between Thunder Claps and get your Shield Slams in after
obsidian granite
and will be way better than Oswain's once we can get it in M+
Eh, I just think it's a little counter intuitive to reduce threat gen across the board and then add in obstacles to further hamper threat gen
runic fjord
The one off Rezan is best
obsidian granite
Though as others have said here it's really not a huge issue
runic fjord
haste/mastery
obsidian granite
I only have trouble with the one enhance shaman in my guild, and even that's only if he's an asshole and leaps in before I pull lol
vocal nimbus
I feel like there is a proper time to IP
obsidian granite
Oh yeah, that's pretty much how I use it. It's not necessarily something I find hard to do, I just feel the rotation flowed a little better when it was off gcd in general
I still love how prot plays
brisk flax
so
lethal bridge
It’s really not a huge issue if you know the fight and know that a big hit is coming, but let’s say you have to react to an attack, but you just finish another action so you gotta wait for that GCD to finish making you take that hit to the face, it’s pretty bad
brisk flax
quickest way to get 305?
runic fjord
crafted gear
obsidian granite
Get a guild group and run to the dungeons and set them to heroic
brisk flax
i was looking for crafted gear on AH
obsidian granite
forget queuing in
brisk flax
none on there
runic fjord
@lethal bridge Prot's primarily proactive defense instead of reactive, though.
delicate schooner
yeah you should be aiming for IP uptime as close to 100% as possible. Shield Block is your "reactive" mitigation
runic fjord
err
vocal nimbus
🤔
runic fjord
that's not totally accurate
broken kite
Err
runic fjord
lmao
lethal bridge
I am pretty sure overtime after I get used to all the fights I will do it with flying colors and wouldn’t mind the GCD but I know beginners and new tanks are gonna have a hard time
wild atlas
Wat
broken kite
This isn't legion
runic fjord
New tanks are gonna have more trouble understanding basic tank shit than being bothered by a defensive on a gcd
by the time they'll learn it they'll be used to it
broken kite
It just makes the spec harder and less fun
runic fjord
having to choose between spending rage on Revenge or IP is hard?
wide juniper
Ah yes, back to GCD
runic fjord
idk
wide juniper
Hurry and cycle to the tank rankings now.
runic fjord
wait let's get that guy that said we were all delusional back in here
i'm down for another laugh
sick sentinel
hm
wild atlas
#rankings
obsidian granite
man, i remember when people used to just play what they liked/were good at
north silo
which rankings? are there any where warrior is not on the bottom?
obsidian granite
i dunno what the rankings say but I find it hard to feel underpowered atm tbh
doesn't feel as strong as a few others but I don't know that I've felt like I've been a liability up tot his point
lethal bridge
I like warrior I main them for almost all expansions, but it’s just not as fun as a monk/vengeance/blood
stuck geyser
Ull feel it when u do real content right now we are beat tanks, becouse of beat dps
broken kite
It's not about choosing between revenge and ip due to rage. It's about the g c d cost.
lethal bridge
I don’t really care about numbers, it’s mostly about fun for me
north silo
"hard to feel underpowered" ?? our self substain is not existant.
brisk flax
Ok so for Gems they dont have lvl 120 ones yet?
stuck geyser
But in m+ raids no one cares about dps if are dying as a tank
runic fjord
who needs self sustain when you don't take any damage :V
I just hope prot war doesn't become FOTM, I don't wanna deal with this discord if that happens.
👀
brisk flax
hahahaha
broken kite
Hahahaha
broken kite
I think you're safe.
stuck geyser
U dont take dmg in m0 see u in m+ raids 😊
stiff gate
people discussing tank viability based on their experience in BASE MYTHICS on live what the hell lmao
wild atlas
Legion warrior was the best it felt since MOP with vengeance.
So this was going to be a drop from the start
stuck geyser
I played on beta did some + 11 12 s trust “i dont take any dmg” is not a thing there even with perfect 370 ilvl gear.
And warr take a lot dmg becouse hardest hittings abilities ar magic gl with nerfed sr
stiff gate
what are you guys looking at for dungeon trinkets btw? i have jes' howler and a proc haste world quest trinket because the only thing i got from 2 weeks of mythics as far as trinkets was big red button...
stiff gate
yeah i figured these are ok theyre just shit ilvl, was wondering if anything in dungeons was a standout to aim for
stuck geyser
Rezan
stiff gate
ah yeah i had that on beta and forgot about it lol
quartz ridge
do you guys also ge tthat scrap o matic bug where it turns your cursor into blue-outline glove after every item?
i only get it when into the fray is talented
stuck geyser
If prot doesnt get ip buff we will be worst tank like it is in “rankings” they can leave it on gcd but 1.3 stack from 3 and nerfed ap ratio will kill us its our only tool against magic dmg outside of now garbage sr
runic fjord
er
you're acting like other tanks have great magic damage defensive cooldowns
which is odd
because they don't, magic defense was hit hard across the board.
DH doesn't even have a magic damage cd period lmao
wide juniper
@quartz ridge Had it last night. Had to click scrap, hit esc, scrap, etc
vocal nimbus
@quartz ridge same thing for me
static pilot
DH have a baseline 10% magic reduction don't they?
And the highest hp pool out of all the tanks?
stuck geyser
Nimmock are u for real? Dha self austain is def against magic, silence every 30 sec after be s nerf is defence against magic and a huge one in mythic. Ill not even talk abaout pala. Dk ams anything else need to be said?
broken kite
Unless your azerite trait stacking
final mist
Self sustain isn't a defense against magic, it's their base playstyle.
final mist
Self sustain isn't even all that large anymore.
sick sentinel
deafening crash/iron fortress/callous atm
final mist
DHs need to be hard focused by healers just as much as we do.
stiff gate
with double bloodsport and 340 ilvl my IP is 27k...
broken kite
Yeah lol
sick sentinel
buffing IP right now at such a shit gear state of the game would just make it broken and OP down the road is what I'm saying.
It doesn't need a buff.
stuck geyser
I am out of this discord until m+ raids come out then ill come back pls be here i want to watch 😊 did every possible content on beta with 370 perfect gear telling u prot in this state is garbage dont belive? Fine see you in 3 weeks
final mist
M+ raids?
stiff gate
i dont think buffing IP is really the play either
buff impending victory so its a real talent and not shit
broken kite
Assuming it was meant to be m+ and raids
final mist
Sense and I did dungeons and raids on beta too, no issues with us.
Maybe it was a L2P issue.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
broken kite
I saw those streams
runic fjord
Hey maybe he knows something we don't.
broken kite
Not blocked damage looked fun
runic fjord
🙃
broken kite
Blockable damage looks hilarious though
final mist
Blockable damage is hilarious
stiff gate
all the big physical hit stuff seems great, but the caster packs in some dungeons are just a huge feelsbadman
runic fjord
tanks that don't block like we do are over there slurping on healer's mana bar like it's a popsicle at pride parade
broken kite
Right
stuck geyser
Lf pala, dh, monk/dk. What is prot warr? When you see this ull understand 😊 at leqst druids will be used to push some raids.
crystal night
For survivability would you guys choose Jes' howler or Eye of Rezan ( both at same i lvl )
final mist
utilizator, if you're going to just troll since you've been disagreed with, you'll find that your time here will be quite short.
Both of them, Scottie.
crystal night
I got blockades on
runic fjord
wait i think i have it confused with something else
final mist
Check out the trinket list in the pins
crystal night
Damn Some people in here were letting me know how great it was after it got buffed
quartz ridge
@wide juniper @vocal nimbus for now i found thats its caused by being specced into "into the fray" so please do try unspeccing that and confirm to me that it makes the bug not occur
final mist
It is good, but it's the same deal as Immortaity in Legion, where it's purely defensive
Jes' and Rezan's is fine for 99% of content
wide juniper
Weird
runic fjord
yep
wild hamlet
if you know how to play it
crystal night
So for pure survivability What two would you suggest Sal between BLockades, Jes', and Rezan's eye?
wild hamlet
I'm not going to raid mythics and I'll do M+ but I won't be pushing for super high keys
runic fjord
@crystal night Jes & Rezan, as long as they're not super low ilvl wise
crystal night
both are 340
( i got really lucky )
Ill keep blockades in my bags for in case a boss in Uldir requires me to MAXIMIZE my survivability
runic fjord
lmao no kidding, go for it, you can always swap out for the deck if you feel like you need more sustain situationally
crystal night
also @final mist Ty so much for the guides and pins i apprechaite all the work and advice you all give in here throughout the day.
final mist
👍
crystal night
What happened to that 1/3 deafening crash and 2/3 brace for impact info Marok used to have on the icyveins?
crystal night
Aww rip im sorry Sal
hot locust
yeh you right
final mist
All good Scottie, just some low-key toxism banter between friends
hot locust
It's true
crystal night
😛 i love that haha i do the same
junior ivy
sometimes i upgrade an outpost, and i have no idea whats new or whats changed
im confused
hot locust
new flightpoint
junior ivy
right, thats when you get the outpost, but then you can 'upgrade it'
sick sentinel
i think only visual i did them all nothing happened
junior ivy
ah ok
crystal night
Wasn't the BiS Deafening Crash Azerite peice for us the Helm from Freehold ?
rollin with the chest from Told Dagor for brace for impact andnddd I cant remember the shoulders
was it shoudlers from Motherlode?
sick sentinel
🤔
stuck geyser
@final mist "Self sustain isn't a defense against magic, it's their base playstyle." You are brilliant i admit. So becouse its their bse playstyle thats why it is not better against magic then block fiesta that we have now? how can 1 exclude other? brilliant
sick sentinel
wish had more mastery.
crystal night
Like a week ago we had a Best in Slot Azerite Peices section on Icyveins and its gone now.
sick sentinel
mythic never drops the right ones. and never get TF.
😦
yep mythics never drop WEAPONS, I have 341 and still have 294 2h (0 BOE items)
stuck geyser
get 1 deafening crush 100% other 2 can be fortress or shield slam
final mist
@stuck geyser Their healing is part of their base tool kit. It functions against every damage. To cite it as a defense against magic damage is like saying that LotP is a defense against magaic damage, or Death Strike, or FR. Technically, yes, you're correct, but you'd be hitting those anyways. You need to hit those in every situation to survive. It's a given, it's how the class works.
final mist
When people talk about defense against X or Y, they mean specific things, like SR, or SW, or Last Resort or whatever else DHs have.
final mist
It's like saying, "Block is the BEST tool Warriors have for Physical damage!" Technically, you're right, but you're still going to sound like an idiot, since it's a given you'd be using SB anyways.
sick sentinel
@junior ivy @sick sentinel @hot locust 1st outpost upgrade gave a monster which u can use and travel with like 300% move speed, (but canont stop)
tiny sphinx
time to git guud at doing donuts
eternal ore
is the armour weapon enchant better than the haste enchant for prot?
hot locust
Oh that's pretty neat.
eternal ore
at like 14% ish haste without buff
final mist
Aside from that, self sustain has been nerfed. Severely so. A DH needs to be hard focused by their healer the same way we do, no matter how much they "self-sustain" it back. That's how their toolkit is balanced, the same way we need to be healed but mitigate a fuckload of damage up front.
If you did better as a DH than a Warrior in M+, then cool, good for you. I and others did the same M+ with Warriors in beta and we did just fine - some of us took significantly less damage and did loads more than other DHs.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
prefer the versatility enchant personally.
have plenty of haste.
physical mitigation not an issue. yet.
stuck geyser
@final mist yes yes yes and yes!! If u had done 10-11+ keys on beta u know that grip stun be silence to death is not an option and mobs deal more magic dmg or at least it feels like that after be nerf, so there are tanks whos baseline playstyle is much more sutied for this then what we have now after destroyed ip. Thats all i am saying in 2018 wow became so basic everything can be viable but why would any grp make it hard on themselfs with prot? When like u said at least 3 tanks base playstyle not just dh `s is much better suited for current content.
sick sentinel
readily able to change as needed since enchanter.
eternal ore
ill mess around with enchants then
astral crystal
shimmering haven is listed as a B tier, same as earthlink, it's just listed above earthlink
not sure if it's a qualitative listing
stuck geyser
in terms of dmg i agree but if we are talking m+, silence, grip just that will make dh second best or best tank for m+
vocal nimbus
warrior has +15% max hp which will save a fuckton of people in tyrannical 🤷
topaz ember
They will only take dps who wont die in super high keys anyways
stuck geyser
true bread
stiff gate
and its survivability was not that great
stiff gate
you just fed it ironbarks
stuck geyser
and dont forget we had be silence in leg its gone
boomi and dh has it now, which will be huge
stiff gate
every class has a defensive cd. you just brought boomy/lock/rogue who were immune to dying but you could afford one dps who could die and you could carry with externals
stuck geyser
@stiff gate preach. For example like ww monks or arms warrs 😃
stiff gate
tho that was also with gear swapping which we dont have now :/
titanguard for one shot bosses etc.
tho seems like a lot less "target player and do unstoppable huge nuke damage" mechanics this xpac
only a few that ive seen so far
topaz ember
can you run out to change gear during a m+? not that it would be worth the time anyways
stiff gate
yeah
its worth if you have a lock and only need to change once
like for a final bossor something
but trinkets are so shitty so far that there hasnt been much of a reason to yet
topaz ember
dam the kraken shell pauldrons have all the best traits
stuck geyser
i think u can at least on beta i know some grps who did that with lock
dont know if they changed that
unborn karma
Is it me, or is prot just shit this xpac? I wanted my warrior as my main alt, but it just seems weird.
quaint kiln
Hey guys, is there a place I can read up on the math of block value? I'm using a 290 quest blue because I haven't had anything drop for me, and I want to know survivability-wise if buying a 350 shield is worth it, like noticably...
mystic ferry
stark sage
@quaint kiln upgrading your shield is the best item to upgrade
undone sun
shields are top priority
stark sage
it might not make you invincible overnight but it would be noticeable
unborn karma
when comparing a warrior to a paladin, what is more 'obvious' alt (alt reads, It wont be as geared)
topaz ember
i went from a 289 sheild to a 340 yesterday and its like night and day
quaint kiln
@stark sage Alright thanks man. I'm surviving M0's just fine...I guess a new shield might make it feel a lot better. Appreciate it.
broken kite
Just keep spamming dungeons
sick sentinel
zzz
broken kite
You'll get one
quaint kiln
Yeah I guess I gotta do random heroics and pray a shield drops >< it's the one thing I haven't seen...so frustrate
topaz ember
for a wile i just qed into atal'dazar killed the dino first and left the group every 15mins. it might be BM but hey when i only needed a sheild and already ran mythics its all i could do
sick sentinel
It absolutely does lock you if you specific queue
topaz ember
you dont get the 30 mins if you kill a boss
you just get the q lockout whic is 15 mins i think
woeful reef
so you must have done it on normal then? heroic would have had a daily lock after first boss died
topaz ember
yea it was normal i really needed a sheild
mystic trellis
Hate the stigma prots get because of dudes like this 341 i ran a mythic with. He never pressed Ignore Pain
died plenty
sick sentinel
I just spam heroics after my mythics.
juicy satchels.
pulling multiple packs per avatar CD cba to wait fast clears.
viral pollen
Whats better. Blockades or a 340 vial of aniamted blood?
broken kite
Blockades
viral pollen
reaaally?
polar rose
yeaaah i keep reading a lot of "trinks suck rn"
theres a nice pin here but thats about the gyst
undone sun
there aren't a lot of defensive trinkets pre raid, atm they aren't great to begin with.
blockades is one of the best pre raid defensive trinket
lilac cloud
ilvl is all that matters for trinkets?
polar rose
please dont quote me on that. check the pin =]
viral pollen
huh itneresting
wild hamlet
Um...how do we mitigate the magic damage? Demo Shout, Shield Wall and IP right?
I say mitigate
"deal with"
viral pollen
yeah basically just try to rotate all your defensives and keep as much IP uptime as possible
if its mixed damage starting with bolster helps a lot
it saves rage from Shield block
undone sun
that's when SR is on CD, yeah
crystal night
is 10% haste goodd?
lapis pasture
King's rest drops a trinket with an active for a decent absorb shield
vocal nimbus
the more the better
lunar spade
How good is the Gnarled mood ring with its 371 haste ? bis pre raid or are there better alternatives
raven kernel
coarse grail
Looking to ask some questions about active mitigation as I haven't tanked in years on a warrior. Not sure when/how to use ignore pain and shield block
simple mural
There's a Blockades deck on my server AH for 80k worth picking it up?
hot locust
I'd say so, yeah.
steady latch
manic pike
Anyone happen to know if Tradewinds azerite power is any good for tanking? Looked on Wowhead and it isn't even listed at all.
twin hazel
warrior specifics >
snow nest
Built my deck for like 45k less than AH buying cards... Seems off but thanks
Is the incessantly ticking clock good now that the haste / mastery proc is fixed? Got one at 345
vagrant cape
it's nice. I really like the 1-minute CD strength buff flask trinket and blockades
but the haste/mastery clock is my next choice
Oh, and the rezan trinket
but I've never gotten one...
the howler is also nice, but I've never seen one
finite cairn
pure carbon
this might sound dume how dose ip work now is it a absorb now but for just 50% of the damge that you take when it is up
hot locust
Yeah, basically if you are going to take 100 damage, it absorbs 50. That's how that works.
Up to it's cap. if you are going to take 100k it's not going to absorb 50k. Only like 24k or whatever your IP value is at.
pure carbon
so is it worth the gcd to use in your rotation or just use it when you know you are about to get hit hard by a boss or trash pack
hot locust
Bit of both
coarse grail
So do you just try to keep the IP bubble at its cap? I'm not sure how to rotate IP in
coarse grail
So then just try to keep shield block up as much as possible and use IP for incoming damage?
hot locust
Yeah, if you know it's gonna hurt and block isn't gonna keep you healthy, use IP.
undone sun
SB isn't really able to be kept 100% of the time either, the CD prevents that greatly. it's another where you know you're going to take considerable damage where blocking matters
coarse grail
I miss tanking on my bear... I like DPSing as a warrior but I hate tanking. Need to learn and figure this out so I stop hating it xD
pure carbon
thank lala for the help
coarse grail
Yes thank you for the help 😃
stoic aspen
BIS Trinks for prot warrior?
undone sun
Jes howler and blockades defensively
dark lagoon
Currently IP ignores damage by 50% it should ignore spell damage by 80% till its absorbed. That might be the change that needs to happen.
Like back when it was Shield Barrier. lol.
undone sun
but my GCD! /s
hot locust
Well, I'd take that one, but it's not gonna happen.
coarse grail
I need to pick someone's brain lol. I totally want to be able to play this spec effectively.
Would love to OT
sage breach
secrets of the deep trait any good for prot, or would i go with iron fortress?
sick sentinel
vague narwhal
does anyone have a pawn string for prot?
broken kite
Nope just a stat priority
cinder nova
Prot isn't that complicated that it needs a pawn string
hot locust
as if complication is what makes you use pawn
cinder nova
Quite the opposite really
It's not rocket science. You don't need a string to tell you your individual weights.
broken kite
Yikes
cinder nova
Never touched pawn strings and I've seldom had issues with tanking and parsing.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
broken kite
Ok
signal plover
it's moreso that you can't currently sim for surv
in any case our stat prio is pretty straigthforward
cinder nova
I mean not even that. A pawn string isn't going to have massive impacts on your tanking. A lot of issues I see players struggle with boils down to some kind of gross mechanical failure than gear.
And when it does involve gear it's usually just a ilvl par they're under.
coarse grail
Like me! I am apparently retarded when it comes to active mitigation...
signal plover
WAs help with learning that a lot
coarse grail
I've mained DPS and played that mainly since TBC. Bear tanked so never did much xD
manic pike
So quick question.
I got a 315 helm with deafening crash.
Just looted a 325 helm with iron fortress that can upgrade to 330.
Would it be worth swapping out the helm for +15 ilvl upgrade or is deafening crash too valuable?
cinder nova
ilvl is still king. I'd drop it personally.
manic pike
This would make 2 stacks of iron fortress but i'd lose deafening crash completely
cinder nova
Just make sure when you step into Uldir you have 1 DC in your azerite gear
Until then worry about getting to ~340+
analog escarp
i'm lost between Meticulous Scheming and Deafening Crash
analog escarp
nope
undone sun
then DC
analog escarp
but that 8% haste tho
undone sun
ok but DC is BiS
analog escarp
but 8% tho
broken kite
Lol
junior ivy
im 340 ilvl and I STILL SUCK.
i actually might prefer dps this expac
thats how bad i am
undone sun
nah, it's just going to take a bit more practice than legion did
junior ivy
ugh, i hope. cause i am not very good right now
urban oak
@junior ivy dw about it, I can assure you are much better than me anyways
junior ivy
i doubt that lol
but ill keep at it.
i do okay, we usually one shot every boss
but i dunno
dark lagoon
whats our potion this xpac? (potion, armor for physical fights - stamina potion for magic bursty fights?- or just straight up str).
versed hedge
Only true men use strength only
signal plover
I'ma stick to str
fickle kiln
main vault
compact spade
I wish prot was buffed to compete with other tanks in progression content and high keys this expac it really bothers me when most sim sites don’t even waste time or space recording data for prot warriors because they are so far behind other tanks
compact spade
I hope they decide to make it more useful
normal hemlock
How's prot looking this expac. There is a crippling lack of healers for dungeons in my guild
and I'm trying to decide between warrior/DH/monk
but leaning warrior
analog escarp
healers getting it hard this expac
upbeat folio
what's your chief goal in the game?
normal hemlock
For this character? My chief goal is clearing m0 now and getting the chest for another 5 people in the guild
when m+ comes out
more wondering how they feel
upbeat folio
Demon Hunter is supposedly best for M right now, but it's still so early.
normal hemlock
2 weeks, with raids
undone sun
when uldir is out
urban oak
Ah, alright cool
normal hemlock
is ignore pain on the gcd?
sick sentinel
rofl
undone sun
yes
analog escarp
normal hemlock
ah of course
sick sentinel
swear. nothing but meme people coming in here "I wish prot wasn't so bad for x progression y rankings" etc
analog escarp
I wish prot wasn't so bad for x progression y rankings
normal hemlock
???
sick sentinel
I wish prot wasn't so bad for x progression y rankings
normal hemlock
I'm just wondering how it feels at 120 before I spend the time to level it. Like is it rage starved and how fast it plays. I haven't tanked at 120 yet, only dps and heal
broken kite
Feels ok apart from IP on gcd
normal hemlock
ok cool
lime elk
i never have rage issues
normal hemlock
ok cool
lime elk
you do crazy good damage on aoe fights and its very interactive playstyle
normal hemlock
I'm into it
lime elk
anyone know how good 'Bygone Bee' Almanac is for prot?
broken kite
I'd rate it B
vagrant cape
By all known laws of simcraft, it shouldn't be good. Yet it is.
(I have no idea if it's good I just wanted to make a bee movie joke.)
lime elk
lol
being able to activate a huge mastery boost sounds good
especially with how ass most of the trinkets are defensively
fossil peak
Regarding Ignore Pain - the basic forumula for computing the amount of Absorption generated for a given application of the Buff is ((3.5 * Attack Power) + Versatility + 1). My question is this: Do they mean base attack power or situational (buffed or debuffed) attack power when they say that?
regal island
it gets buffs
fossil peak
Thank you, Helbrute.
regal island
the 1000 str 1.5min trinket is actually kinda nice for it
same for pots etc
just remember if you refresh without the procs up you can clip your IP decreasing it to a lower value.
it's rare if ur getting beat on though.
hidden estuary
Can we get some dragon charge love reactions !
carmine wadi
I was used to tank Mythics yesterday and wow it´s a fun as prot 😃
hot locust
What do you need in particular?
jade thicket
ok so
i've got a 325 chest with 2 traits right now. then i just got a 340 with 1 trait. the trait is callous reprisal for revenge to reduce damage by 1.5% after 3 hits.
my 2 traits on the 325 chest are awesome, but of course this 340 chest has better str/stam
hot locust
Will you still have a deafening crash if you swap to the 340?
somewhere on your other pieces.
jade thicket
yes, deafening crash is on my shoulders
hot locust
Yeah make the swap then.
jade thicket
i've got iron fortress and resounding protection on the chest piece
hot locust
I still think the 340 will get you further.
jade thicket
dang it lol
hot locust
fun expac
jade thicket
haha yes it is. gotta grind that neck up. crap.
thanks for your help btw. 😄
@hot locust
hot locust
Whenever I'm around I try to pay attention 😛
ember arrow
@upbeat folio it looks so far to be dk, monk and pally for m+
analog escarp
@ember arrow is dh so high that you didnt list it?
merry cave
You'd be so silly not to include dh on that list it's utility is far to strong despite taking a lot of damage at times
ember arrow
Monk and pala both have 50% slow. Monk has 80% stagger. Pala has group utility and dk is dk
versed hedge
You guys think they'll ever take IP off GCD? I feel like that'll make wars x1000 better
undone sun
no
they've already dug themselves too deep with the gcd, if they take IP off they'd have to take a lot of other abilities off for others classes off
junior ivy
i jsut randomly found a new alliance quest hub in drustvar
even though i finished that area
undone sun
new missions to get new outposts
merry cave
I think IP has more chance to come off gcd then hotp or FR, but I don't think it'll happen
It's more likely to get a damage component hacked on
fading bear
tbh at this point, im using ip just to get rid of rage to trigger AM 😄
tight tree
IP is solid at smoothing, really.
Purifying brew is off GCD, dont see why IP couldnt be off gcd. Even more reasons to do so, since it is proactive.
Not going to happen though, i agree. Blizzard will hold to this idiotic misconception that it is "adding more choices and allows for skilled gameplay" or we bullshit they came with to justify slowing down the pace of the game
upbeat folio
IP, Avatar and Demoralizing Shout on the global cooldown is definitely throwing me off.
ionic fern
No, meaningful decision making.
upbeat folio
Is it really meaningful?
tight tree
It is not meaningful, just horribly clunky and delayed.
It is not fun, counting globals before big hit to use IP right before.
Feels like my kit working against me.
(still loving my warrior)
ember arrow
They did force u to make choices between dmg and surv
U may not like it, but they did succeed for better or worse
unreal flume
When talking about utility for m+, prot warriors aoe dps should be a consideration surely
unreal flume
What I mean is, it's a factor that should be considered when pitting us against other tanks
ember arrow
In high keys u cant facetank
sick sentinel
how much are you doing on good size pack?
analog escarp
whats good size?
sick sentinel
8-10
ember arrow
So that wont be a consideration, unless its very different from legion and u can
analog escarp
easy 20k-30k
sick sentinel
in prot?
analog escarp
yeah
sick sentinel
what you using?
ember arrow
25k on average
sick sentinel
lol, and?
ember arrow
13k times 5
sick sentinel
25k sustained for the whole pack?
ember arrow
Every other gcd
sick sentinel
so how do you weave in your defs?
ember arrow
As normal
unreal flume
Every other gcd
sick sentinel
which is?
ember arrow
Everything but ip is off gcd
DS u cast at pull
So thats where 15% dps comes from initially
sick sentinel
so you pull, demo, avatar, clap like crazy
tranquil lotus
2sec CD on clap means u can add ignore or so between if u have the right azurite gear
dark junco
I pot, charge, demo, avatar,tclap, then IP, tclap, sb, tclap, rev... etc
ember arrow
@unreal flume but doing high dmg isnt utility. Since affixes can and will prevent u from facetanking mobs and being in melee range
sick sentinel
well, ignore is 40 rage and clap gives 5 doesnt it?
analog escarp
shield wall
sick sentinel
so, so sb on pull so you can save wall right?
unreal flume
@ember arrow fair enough - I shouldn't have used the word utility.
dark junco
Demo
tranquil lotus
Been able to put demo on a group of mobs and keep it there for 20secs is handy
ember arrow
Ds + ava + charge is 75 rage
sick sentinel
and rage from demo on sb
clap, sb non cd, bubble, clap right?
where's your rage for the next bubble in 3 seconds?
sick sentinel
well, your pulling a dozen mobs in mythic, the bubble is gonna be gone in 3 seconds
dark junco
Nope
sick sentinel
how?
dark junco
3+ = on cd
sick sentinel
so you sw after that
dark junco
I keep sw as last resort
sick sentinel
yeah, ofc, it's for when you touch 5%, lol
dark junco
I use LS im between SB if I feel like i need it
sick sentinel
so where is your rage coming from if you dont ss
ember arrow
No
sick sentinel
which trinkets you running with?
sick sentinel
not being hostile, sorry if that across as that
tight tree
Yeah no facetanking on high keys. There is tanks better @kiting and more utility. Monk can AOE when kiting (being out of melee).
sick sentinel
trying to work out how you get 25k sustain 😛
tight tree
Well with frost mage being FOTM every tank can kite
dark junco
No clue how they get that
Would like to see log as proof for that
I end dungeons with about 8k overall
sick sentinel
log, screenshots and then I would pay for lessons, lol
tranquil lotus
By keeping demo up for 20secs u get 25k
sick sentinel
you talking sustain for burst, you know it;s 2 different things
tranquil lotus
But hes not
sick sentinel
you might burst 25 same as you might burst 50 in arms
tbh in mythic atm, I am full panic mode on 3 packs
and if the healer goes, I go!
hell compared to last expac start where we could boost through mythic 5 in quest gear almost
dark junco
We changed route in underrot, we go left now to skip 2x hasted crazy chicks from the right path before the 1st boss: they hit like crazy
sick sentinel
lol, we do that too
that pack left is insane, dps'd it this week and the monk tank went left and got eaten 😛
dark junco
haha
sick sentinel
monks seem super strong though
fading bear
left side is a no-no ^^
dark junco
On melee heavy geoups left is wasier for interrupts
And i prefer melee heavy now, that ittf lol
Warrior, dh, pally, pally heals, rogue
GG drums =p
sick sentinel
groups without br give me nightmares!
dark junco
Dont need br if you don’t die
ember arrow
Well yes
sick sentinel
I die, healer dies, top dps dies - happens to us all 😛
healer gets clipped with no br and we are screwed, lol
ember arrow
If doing m+ u must have br