slow?
#protection
radiant hound
trail jungle
Used to level prot just fine but since the pre patch it made it annoying
uneven mason
Pull Big, Avatar it up
primal crypt
^
exotic spoke
I leveled slowly when I was solo, but for the first couple hours as a group it was super fast. I just grabbed everything and they burned it all
Oh yeah, that’s how I did it. But when it was taking me an hour a level, dps in my guild were getting about 45 minutes
kind prairie
It's slow if you pull slow. If you pull like a derp and complete quests in 1-2 pulls it's quick.
radiant hound
Don^t forget dungeons give also mass xp
grim prism
Lol how is leveling as prot slow? You can literally pull an entire quest's worth of mobs at oncr
uneven mason
^^^
lethal gulch
yea, sure
grim prism
Literally as in LITERALLY
uneven mason
esp prior to 115
exotic spoke
Then I done fucked up
radiant hound
150k just to complete
exotic spoke
Oh 115 was super fast
tardy jolt
pull everything and thunder clap
uneven mason
when you still have bracers and belt
exotic spoke
So very much
uneven mason
I only miss Walls Fell tbh
exotic spoke
I feel like part of my soul is missing
uneven mason
Because having shield wall every minute was so stupid strong.
woeful reef
Do you guys have any wishes/hopes for 8.1 or are you ok with how things are atm?
grim prism
Im fine with it
uneven mason
I have a hope that a shield will fucking droop for me before 8.1
grim prism
My wish is to not have our AoE throughout nerfed
woeful reef
No shit, I still havent got a shield yet either
tardy jolt
shield drop rates are making fun of us
undone sun
Rip
still sigil
I wish ignore pain gets lower gcd or removed off the gcd
plain ice
i tanked all 10 mythics with a 298 shield last week. figured i deserve a new one, and ended up buying the 350
uneven mason
😡
grim prism
Did anybody here actually level in prot and find it to be slow? If so.... how? Legitimate question lol
sick sentinel
heh
tardy jolt
in all expansions i always level as prot
junior ivy
i leveled in prot and it was slow and awful
kind prairie
How
uneven mason
I mean, I'm upset I don't have a shield yet, but getting my 3 Azerite slots back to back with S tier traits I'll take it.
junior ivy
but id do it again
kind prairie
Did you pull mobs 1 at a time?
junior ivy
when i was lvling with friends it wasnt bad
still sigil
So what exactly makes us get more shield block % chance. I know block value increases mitigation by each block
junior ivy
but when i was alone it jsut took ages to kill stuff
lethal gulch
You can pull as many as you want, you won't be faster than an arms with bladestorm and deep wounds, srsly
tardy jolt
you can be totally faster
uneven mason
I think I had 15 pulled at once and was like OH, an opportunity to use bolster to its fullest
supple path
I leveled as fury and kept death wish stacked at 10, it was...the squishiest. Fun though! But yeah, prot AE is so crazy, and then when avatar is down it's so sad.
tardy jolt
what does "avatar down" mean 😄
grim prism
Heroic throw everything while kiting it into a circlr
supple path
you know that 30 second window between avatars
grim prism
Pop coolies
supple path
it's very sad.
uneven mason
By the time combat is done and you've grabbed the next pull, Avatar is generally up again
vocal nimbus
@undone sun did you just... did what i think you did?
undone sun
😏
grim prism
What did i miss
steel mauve
Any one using the set with oswains and celedhrings? Is the 2p worth buying?
grim prism
If you have money to burn and dont have a good shield by now, sure
fiery pendant
It’s a nice bonus and I’ll be taking it into account if I get a new one later on but it’s not incredible
undone sun
I wouldn't say the set itself is worth however much
steel mauve
I bought the shield, went from a 289 to the 350, just wondering if getting the boots for 120k is worth it
grim prism
Nope lol
undone sun
More of a bonus if you have gold and need the upgrades
junior ivy
any way to get war resources besides WQ?
dawn imp
hidden chests
dense kernel
Air drops maybe?
steel mauve
I have 300 ilvl boots but idk if i want to get up the haste for it
dawn imp
find some friends and do mythics. save the 120k for something useful lol
sick sentinel
boots not worth.
grim prism
+1 boots not worth
primal crypt
lol friends
grim prism
Whats good yammy
vocal nimbus
Hi
steel mauve
Im in a big enough raiding guild where there are always groups, was just wonderig how good the set bonus was, if they would be strict bis
runic fjord
Anyone got an idea what the ilvl value of the shield/boots set bonus is?
grim prism
Nope. Lol
sick sentinel
not high enough to surpass equiv ilvl haste/vers boots or hast/mastery.
runic fjord
you sure?
grim prism
Well
Considering normal uldir drops a properly itemized shield at 5 ilvl higher
I'd say it isn't worth prioritizing
runic fjord
oh i know, another war in my guild picked it up on a whim since she's a rich fuck
i aint giving up haste for it but i'm just curious
grim prism
I think it's one of those "if you need the upgrade and you have the money" things
Like the crafted leggo belt of yesteryear
runic fjord
lol yeah that's fair
lunar wedge
What kind of uptime does prot get on avatar and demo shout during dungeons? Trying to decide on my war or dk to level next. Prot seems pretty neat with short cd’s
kind prairie
Pretty high?
uneven mason
A lot
avatar every other pull, DS is every pull more or less
or multiple times per pull if you're going big
lunar wedge
Yeah that seems a lot of fun
uneven mason
Its entertaining
lunar wedge
Thanks!
uneven mason
the real fun is standing your ground and getting tickled when Ironhull does his buff while the DK gets to die if he doesn't run away as fast as he can.
cinder nova
Kek
kind prairie
We can't add reacts here?
kind prairie
I can't react at all
grim prism
Kappa
kind prairie
LOL
kind prairie
Toxicity is magic damage. We have IP for that.
prisma crane
i prefer to reflect it
exotic spoke
We would never be toxic
prisma crane
kind prairie
wE WoUlD nEvEr Be ToXiC
exotic spoke
Or conversely.... toxic was playing as a warrior against a frost mage in vanilla
wide juniper
PepeHands
cinder nova
Isn't cauldronborn the name of the Horned King's undead army?
cinder nova
My migga
cinder nova
Gurgie was the best
kind prairie
Used to be edge, but DHs took that
As well as meta, the ability to sense demons, etc.
cries
cinder nova
Dh is edge
grim prism
Prune DHs
cinder nova
Locks are amoral shit bags
grim prism
Make azeroth great again
kind prairie
True
exotic spoke
#NotMyTree
cinder nova
Which is ostensibly so much more fun
grim prism
Amoral shitbags you say? Maybe thats why I felt compelled to boost one.
cinder nova
Yeah, man. They got their own perogatives
kind prairie
#demonology
bleak wyvern
when u see the DK soloing last 20 percent of boss and ur here thinkin bout that 110 boost
river brook
best biuld tlant plz for tank ?
fast owl
hello noob prot warrior here 😄 I dont know where else to ask. but I seem to have problems with mitigations with SB and IP. any tips? I feel like I'm not using them properly.
grim prism
Use bolster and anger management
cinder nova
Tell us how you're using them
grim prism
Use cooldowns early and often
fast owl
@cinder nova I try to keep SB up. Not consecutively using both charges
I try to alternate SB and IP so theres no downtime in between
grim prism
Use IP to support shield block and the Bolster autoblock on last stand, not the other way around
kind prairie
^im having to break myself of that.
grim prism
You cant afford to keep SB up all the time. You need to use it for moments of high blockable damage only
cinder nova
IP is a softener, not a stand in for sb
fast owl
i always assumed not to have IP and SB both up at the same time 😦
bleak wyvern
how long til we can become big boy magthar orcs
grim prism
SB reduces damage, IP absorbs what is left
fast owl
so there are actual instances that I dont keep SB up all the time? I guess bec Ive read icy that says I gotta keep SB up when I can
grim prism
You want them both up if youre taking heavy melee
cinder nova
Maghar race traits gag
grim prism
You are literally incapable of keeping SB up all the time if you are using bolster and anger management, so save it for big pulls or boss aggro
Use demo shout on pretty much every pull. You can afford to with anger management
fast owl
@grim prism noted
cinder nova
I tend to hold block for big pulls on trash while mostly relying on ip
You have enough rage to dump for it and revenge
grim prism
You are generally going to want to just keep IP running as an uptime buff, if nothing else because you want to keep spending rage and keep anger management rolling
cinder nova
Keep pace with HDH cleave
wide juniper
I generally keep SB up as often as possible, the CD isn't high enough for me to care about waiting for bosses
grim prism
Not to suggest that IP is your primary mitigation- you still want to keep block on deck for big pulls
still sigil
Where do wars sit tier wise for M+ as prot
woeful reef
Bottom
grim prism
Dont block while using last stand, assuming you are using bolster
cinder nova
In a sentence, playing a warrior is now more than ever about preempting damage, angry
fast owl
@grim prism that I learned recently heh
grim prism
@still sigil we will be fine. We probanly arent top-tier but we are definitely viable
wide juniper
M+ isn't open, so we'll find out.
grim prism
Based on what he told us about his levling experience, Nimec doesnt know how to pull more than four mobs at once so idk where he is getting that info
woeful reef
M+ is all about sustain and control, our sustain is zero, if you want to blister high M+ go DH or DK, War is quite a bit behind
What are you talking about
wide juniper
Comparing leveling experience to M+ tanking experience. Okay.
cinder nova
Except they're getting rocked by mechanics we can ignore
topaz ember
SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING....
cinder nova
Bread mvp
wide juniper
What a toxic shit show this place is half the time.
still sigil
I'm just wondering cause just running regular mythic and heroics, and in particular those little debuff stacking bugs in underrot rek me
wide juniper
Those wreck the world.
cinder nova
They will do that to everyone Mike
wide juniper
Those are heavy ticks.
cinder nova
Except dwarves
fast owl
thanks for the input guys. I'm so discouraged bec this the first time im tanking haha and its like im not doing anything right.
tardy jolt
dont use those bugs as comparison
topaz ember
i PLAY A DWARF
fast owl
all I do is follow what I see on the tube and icy about keeping SB up AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. heh
for melee of course
still sigil
U guys just try to kite them in mythic 0?
cinder nova
Yeah
tardy jolt
@fast owl its all about cycling your cds
fast owl
but there are times I find myself out of SB and not enough for IP
@tardy jolt aye. more practice I guess.
tardy jolt
@still sigil yea kite and nuke from range
fervent monolith
I find kiting and using LOS between cd's really helps
worthy yoke
then press shield slam
tardy jolt
@fast owl i used to have an old mentality, so to say, "cds should be saved for emergencies" but thats not the case rn definitely
fast owl
@tardy jolt that's always been my habit haha
wide juniper
Prot CDs aren't designed for oh shit moments
tardy jolt
yep exactly
kind prairie
Good idea. I use SB on small pulls when I likely don't need to.
fast owl
@tardy jolt like only use SB and IP. everything else is oh shit moments
tardy jolt
our cds are short and best used BEFORE oh shit moments
kind prairie
Oh god. I'm way behind.
fast owl
jesus i really need to break that habit
grim prism
We mitigate more damage than any tank in the game, ESPECIALLY blockable melee, which is the majority of M+ damage intake. Calling us bottom tier before M+ is even open is inherently retarded.
topaz ember
its just that when you tank as prot everymoment is an oh shit moment
kind prairie
Disc updated like 50 messages just now.
grim prism
Sorry to have to say it
still sigil
What do u do in the downtime of no SB?
kind prairie
^
woeful reef
Balsaq you couldnt be more wrong bud. But I'm not going to argue with you, your ego casts a shadow over this entire room
prisma crane
the reason we're not going to be great in M+ is a simple one, and it's one of utility, not how well we tank
fast owl
@still sigil or pray to Satan.
woeful reef
I had a 363 prot war and a 366 dh on beta doing mythic +11
It was very clear which one was superior
grim prism
Is is possible youre just bad at warrior?
grim prism
I didnt realize anecdotale evidence from beta was the end all be all here
woeful reef
M+ is all about control and sustain, like I said before
tardy jolt
how is the aoe dps of other tanks compared to us?
prisma crane
and it's purely about survival for the group as a whole once you get high enough
it's not just dps though @tardy jolt
tardy jolt
i know
prisma crane
but we're way up there
topaz ember
Yea but i had a spell reflect for 50k dmg in one mythic which was fun
grim prism
@tardy jolt we are the highest, if im not mistaken
prisma crane
idk, but i hear we're quite high
lucid bough
in aoe ya
fast owl
sooooo I dont NECESSARILY need to have SB up ALL the time
lucid bough
with avatar up
static monolith
Do we have stat weights for Prot to input into Pawn?
tardy jolt
yeah i believe it is highest too
prisma crane
no @static monolith
still sigil
What outer traits u guys prefer for mythic plus?
grim prism
^
tardy jolt
hm what does the prot sim in askmrrobot do then?
prisma crane
fuck all
static monolith
@prisma crane Ah ok thanks... then I'll just continue on
prisma crane
yup yup np
grim prism
AMR's defensive sim makes no sense whatsoever
prisma crane
a sim will still "work" but it wont be accurate if the backend its using isnt correct
vocal nimbus
AMR 😰
kind prairie
@static monolith generically you shoot for ilvl over anything. Haste, vers, mastery, crit after that.
still sigil
NPS?
kind prairie
I think.
still sigil
What's it stand for?
topaz ember
A real sim would add in a 5% chacne for into the fray to break every minute
vocal nimbus
The next step after using AMR is reading Noxxi guides
grim prism
Officially, nothing. They call it "nopes per second" in the literatire
static monolith
@kind prairie That's what I'm doing, but in a situation where I lose 12 haste and 104 crit, but I gain 106 mastery... where do you go with that?
grim prism
Cant make this shit up
tardy jolt
lmao
static monolith
116 mastery**
is haste weighted so heavily that losing 12 and 104 crit over gaining 116 mastery is bad?
still sigil
We gain block chance via mastery and what gives us parry? Crit rating?
topaz ember
well crit sucks ass
tardy jolt
yes mike but it really aint much
still sigil
Kk
How much haste % is needed before we start not valuing it over vers or mastery? I know it will be like mid expac before that happens. Just curious if it's anything like legion where it barely got to that point when I quit after nighthold
topaz ember
NEVER
kind prairie
@static monolith 12 haste isn't much. Id rather lose the crit and have the mastery personally.
spice summit
POG just hit 340 ilvl as prot... On the other hand my best 2hander is still ilvl 286 feelsrng
kind prairie
Ow
topaz ember
it is and i cry
grim prism
@static monolith honestly, the difference there is going to be miniscule either way
I'd take mastery over crit
But the stat budget it identical and the haste value so close
It wont make a noticeable difference
dusky summit
is it me, or are weapon/shield drops SUPER low compared to other drops. I ran 2 weeks of mythics, and gotten 0 weapons or a shield 😦
uncut fractal
Is it normal for mythic dungeons to feel like a joke at 340 ilvl? I dont have problems tanking at all
tardy jolt
i guess so, i had same experience
uncut fractal
Feels like random heroics
prisma crane
you're at the ilvl that the gear drops. yes, very normal
uncut fractal
I guess next challenge is m+
tardy jolt
ilvl matters a lot. first few mythics mobs hit like there was no tomorrow
after several upgrades they became jokes
grim prism
@dusky summit its not that they are super rare, it's just that it's the one piece you actually need
@uncut fractal yep. 310 felt squishy as hell, 330 felt like I could practically put heals on follow and AFK.
Granted I was still using a 260 green shield when I was 310 average
Oops
tardy jolt
😄
cinder nova
You can't kill in PVP?
tardy jolt
people in world pvp are usually careless so they die to avatar burst
"look, a prot warr with avatar on, lets stack on top of him"
cinder nova
I 1v3'd a ret, arms, and hunter
grim prism
Lol
cinder nova
only thing that shits on us is healers and other tanks if you don't play right
tardy jolt
i find that i generally suck when solo but with at least 1 guy helping winning outnumbered fights isnt an issue
rain dune
Do you WQ as prot?
cinder nova
Ye
grim prism
Ye
rain dune
I've been switching to arms, comparable iLvl, so I might have to give that a shot
Just worried about the solo kill ones taking longer
tardy jolt
dont play arms in world if you dont have a party
grim prism
DPS specs kill things faster but cant pull as much
grim prism
Youll definitely nuke boss WQs faster as arms
But youll also have to use brainpower to not die
And i dont like using brainpower
Thats why i rolled prot
uncut fractal
I'd rather not go arms alone as it's squishier than a clother
uneven mason
Secret to arms killing world bosses - continually aggro trash near you during sweeping strikes to get some free omnomnom Victory rushes
tardy jolt
thats secret to warrior world pvp 3 specs since god knows when imo 😄
uneven mason
Secret to killing world bosses as Prot - Just fucking kill it.
grim prism
Also not dying in wpvp*
sick sentinel
i'm struggling with massive pull in dungeon while levelling should i shout everytime i aggro a lot of them ?
grim prism
Remotely in trouble? Stomp a mob. They'll think it's helping them kill you and let you get a free KB
@sick sentinel yes yes yes
uneven mason
Demo shout should be like
grim prism
Also pop last stand with bolster talented (which you should have)
grim prism
Bolster and anger management
sick sentinel
i hope normal and heroic will be more autopilot'd in the future tho
grim prism
With AM you can shout pretty much every pack
sick sentinel
i know i got no gear but it's pretty boring
grim prism
What is your ilvl?
uneven mason
They're already auto pilot at 330
sick sentinel
anyone else playing prot just because it takes so long to get groups as dps?
i'm still 115 lol
249
prisma crane
@sick sentinel i've been prot since 2006, nope
sick sentinel
do you guys quest as prot too?
prisma crane
yea
uneven mason
Yeah
prisma crane
only thing i dont do as prot is instanced pvp
grim prism
@sick sentinel its gonna feel worse before it feels better with the way stat scaling works
uneven mason
Aggro everything
sick sentinel
prot seems to make a lot of damage but i forgot details and my damage numbers don't show up i don't know why ;_;
uneven mason
AE it down
sick sentinel
I'm thinking of maining prot
grim prism
It makes a shitload of damage. You dont need a meter to tell you that ha
sick sentinel
but wondering if its hard to get in to raid groups
prisma crane
it will be, we have a shitty stigma, but play it if you enjoy it
broken kite
Community perception will be an issue for pugging
grim prism
Nope, not really @sick sentinel. I mean some people might think prot is bad because of a sco video but... those arent people you want to play with anyway
tardy jolt
you will have trouble with pugs i believe, because the "commoners" believe prot sucks
sick sentinel
yeah haha pretty fun to run into the fray, pop avatar and demoralizing shout and alternate revenge and thunder clap
prisma crane
reality is, there are better tanks for high end M+ and bleeding edge raiding, outside of that, we're great
grim prism
People who understand more than just their own spec understand that prot is perfectly viable
tardy jolt
yep krotos
broken kite
If you don't have Guild and have to pug with no intention to change.. roll something else :P
sick sentinel
i feel like ignorep ain is lackluster atm tho
uneven mason
I'm not even convinced that there is better tanks for CE raiding
grim prism
@sick sentinel yeah, kinda
tardy jolt
and no pug is going for bleeding edge raiding so pugs caring about that detail is funny af
prisma crane
bleeding edge, aka, WF and stuff, there is
sick sentinel
i use it on non-procced revenge atm
cloud bone
does the shield block from last stand count towards shield slam damage?
grim prism
Yeah the way I see it, if somebody needs to pug a tank in the first place, theyre in no position to be picky lol
sick sentinel
and prot is fun at wpvp
broken kite
No
grim prism
@cloud bone no
tardy jolt
Nope
cloud bone
cool I figured but wanted confirmation
grim prism
But honestly, i think tanks are high enough in demand that it should be fine
Ive had no trouble pugging m0s
Granted thats m0 and not raid
prisma crane
prot is just too much of a liability when you're doing that many pulls with that much attrition
grim prism
But still
sick sentinel
yeah btw why nobody wanna tank in bfa ?
tardy jolt
well in m0s our dps is enough to put them in awe
broken kite
Tanks aren't as fun
grim prism
GCD changes and tank nerfs across the board
broken kite
Compared to legion
sick sentinel
prot is ok tho it's pretty fun
grim prism
They are moving away from a self-sustain paradigm
clever garden
got mad at prot, went arms, fuck it going back to prot 🆒
tardy jolt
it was more fun before
uneven mason
They're not as "easy" if you're used to the "I'm an immortal god" of Legion
tardy jolt
something feels wrong right now
grim prism
Welcome to the start of any expac though
sick sentinel
@tardy jolt not if you tanked as a bear 🌞
tardy jolt
i havent actually
grim prism
Gotta feel like shit so you can feel better later
tardy jolt
never played tank druid
tardy jolt
tbh i havent touched anything other than warr since MoP
uneven mason
you'll never complain about any other spec again
tardy jolt
not gonna cheat on my main
sick sentinel
i played protpal for a while on gf account then bear on mine, i lost all the fun in me
grim prism
Idk how bear is now but holy FUCK it was a snoozefest in legion
sick sentinel
for maybe 2y
uneven mason
Its the same Balsaq, but on the GCD
grim prism
Like tanking in general was boring in legion, but bears especially
tardy jolt
played dk and pala tank back in wotlk but thats it
grim prism
Im led to believe current bear is similar just worse. Haha
uneven mason
It is
I tried
I tried to load in my bear
and after 15minutes I was like nope
quit mid boss in LFR (this was prepatch)
grim prism
Haha
uneven mason
haven't touched him since
sick sentinel
bought a DMF deck i'm pretty happy still not 120 tho
tardy jolt
How does Brace for Impact azerite trait work exactly? "multiple applications of this effect may overlap" confused about this part
grim prism
Exactly what it sounds like
If you get a slam while the buff is still running
You'll get two stacks of it until the first expires
grim prism
Pins say yes 👍
tardy jolt
deafening crash 😦
i only had a deafening crash helm with ilvl300
didnt see one since
uneven mason
its your best trait
grim prism
Might be worth using still tbh
uneven mason
because perma DS during Avatar = omnomnom
uneven mason
probably is worthwhile
grim prism
Someone said it was worth 25+ ilvl and marok didn't correct them
tardy jolt
ye
i saw that
the guide says : Firstly, if you are upgrading from an Azerite piece that is below 340, that is, it does not have the Middle Ring, to a 340+ piece, always equip that 340+ piece regardless of the traits it has.
prisma crane
it's in the IV guide that marok wrote
grim prism
Turning an 8 second demo into a 22 second demo is significant at any ilvl
tardy jolt
and says that replacing deafening crash is worth if ilvl difference is more than 25
grim prism
If you have a 340 with traits unlocked
tardy jolt
yep i do
tardy jolt
yep i do hope that they'll get replaced haha
topaz ember
I'm just happy that i got 340 shoulders with it on it
tardy jolt
niiice
tepid sparrow
grim prism
v:
final mist
Hmm.
grim prism
Whats wrong dad
uneven mason
I saw sal appear, and I had to think...did I Meme today?
grim prism
I dont have to think, the answer is always yes
But when people say, for example, that prot is the bottom of the barrel in a game mode that isn't even open yet and it's dangerous to pull more than three mobs at once... well, it really gets the memejuice flowing
Fortunately that has been tapering off as people actually start to play the spec instead of parroting assumptions
uneven mason
Like I said earlier, gave my healer a panic attack when I was just face tanking Ironhull cause they had watched their DK tank get turned into red mist the day before.
woeful reef
So 2 months of mythic+ in beta is just an assumption right?
Cause beta has changed SO much from live
fiery river
so I main arms but was really looking forward to being able to offspec prot. is it really as bad as everyone is making it out to be?
uneven mason
the general population is mostly assumption Nimec
grim prism
Not at all, no
uneven mason
most of them didn't do any M+ themselves, just watched clickbait ranking vids
or even just HEARD about the vid
uneven mason
like that one that is memestatus and shall not be named
fiery river
awesome
grim prism
Requires a bit more forethought than some specs because it is more punishing for us to mess up mitigation
But we do buckets of aoe damage and have defensive cooldowns for days
uneven mason
didn't even say that prot was bad, just that it wasn't the best (and for reasons that 99.9% of players won't even ever play at that level where it matters)
fiery river
im guessing people are listening to people who are going to be raiding very high mythic content and just assuming it related to the average mythic player
woeful reef
I could care less about a video, sure its nice to know what the top end raiders and the game are thinking but its also nice to have some experience for yourself. I had a super geared DH and a super geared Prot War and pushed some really high m+'s on beta for more than 2 months, and my personal experience shows me without question that the DH is vastly superior to warrior right now.
grim prism
Well YMMV bro. Your opinion is noted
uneven mason
Well, its more like, they're listening to people who claim to have researched after watching a video claiming that it was garbage
its like 6 steps to kevin bacon on where the rumors start
grim prism
@fiery river pretty much, that and the usual start-of-new-tier hysteria
They put ignore pain on the global cooldown when in 7.3 it was basically a spam button
uneven mason
it was a spammable perma absorb
Warriors in TOS and ABT = 100% heath with massive IP in place, or 1 shot
You either didn't take damage, or damage hit the point where it bypassed all of your mitigation
and you die
Now you take much lower damage compared to other tanks
But still, if something hits you, it hits you
grim prism
We use anger management to supplement our active mitigation with insane uptime on defensive cooldowns like demo shout
Its high risk high reward
fiery river
is it in a spot where it needs buffed to keep up or just time for people to see it's maybe not so bad once some gear starts rolling in
uneven mason
^^
grim prism
I doubt we will get major changes
final mist
We won't see a damage nerf
uneven mason
Yeah right now our AE damage is through the roof
but its like our frosting on the cake
grim prism
Expect to outDPS some of your actual DPS on larger pulls
uneven mason
We'll see how that scales
hopfully it scales just as well as DPS
But most folks who think Prot is bad
or that there is a massive gap between tanks (any of them)
- Doesn't know any good prot warriors
- Tried it and are bad.
grim prism
+1 for most folks who think prot is bad dont play it
uneven mason
- Has lime green love for some emo juice
grim prism
Im not saying its the best tank in the game or anything
uneven mason
Nope
grim prism
But it certainly isnt bad
uneven mason
(I'm saying its the best tank in the game tho, if we're being honest)
grim prism
I think it's fair to say that it's easier to play wrong than some other tank specs
woeful reef
Absolutely, the two big self healers are arguably the easiest because its reactive instead of preventative
tardy jolt
indeed
broken kite
The colossal utility doesn't hurt either
grim prism
I wouldnt say our utility toolkit is anything too special
woeful reef
I think he was talking about the self healers
tardy jolt
i did notice that rallying cry saves lives, but rather than helping overall it is more like an "oh damn, that guy stepped in shit, lemme scream" button
dunno
but the mobility is delightful indeed
grim prism
I guarantee it'll be important in M+
These dungeons feel like they have way more party damage than last expac
tardy jolt
mhm i guess so
and no one can play with 0 mistakes, so it is useful
i just wish anger management worked for it
tardy jolt
yep
sick sentinel
Bought "Bygone Bee" Almanac. Going to log m0 on Friday if anyone is interested in our dps potential
Bursting Blood or Strength potion btw?
brisk flax
So prot really this weak? Like im running around open world and i cant even damage people that jump me
like wtf? Last expansion could take on like 5 people at once easily
what changed that made it this bad?
tardy jolt
if you're alone it isnt really anything special other than that you dont die
brisk flax
i used to be able to wreck people is what im gettin at
tardy jolt
yep
brisk flax
So they nerf our damage big time or something?
brisk flax
except us apparently?
tardy jolt
yea
brisk flax
really lame
tardy jolt
your best bet is fear to force trinket then storm bolt, avatar and spam clap
also shout etc. obv
brisk flax
well ya i mean i understand how it all works but man this is just like depressingly bad
tardy jolt
you should try hunting with others
ember arrow
tanks arent really king on wpvp anymore
tardy jolt
i did wpvp as prot with a rogue and a hunter, basically i was the bait and also protected them
demo shout with pvp talent + thunder clap root + shield bash is quite good and allows your dps buddies to burst without worries
brisk flax
Prot still the easiest to level with though isnt it?
grim prism
Arms if you are tryharding, fury if you are enjoying yourself
normal quiver
Pull zone =profit
tardy jolt
level as prot
grim prism
Level as tank, pull everything and nuke it all at once
tardy jolt
yep
tardy jolt
@ember arrow second wind wont save you in a losing fight
unless your opponent is clueless
grim prism
I also feel like its hard as hell to win a fair fight as prot now
On the bright side, its really hard to die
tardy jolt
like you can bait them or leap + charge to a critter etc to heal to full
but it is rare
ye ye
brisk flax
Ya and you almost never have a fair fight anymore lol
they always wait until you are fighting 25 things
and then jump you
tardy jolt
you can do the same 😛
brisk flax
ya but im not a bitch like that
brisk flax
sad when the Alliance is supposed to be an honorable race yet as a horde player i have more honor then they do
brisk flax
and im an orc so they cant say they hate me. Saurfang is pissed off at Sylvanas. Our race isnt happy with the horde atm
tardy jolt
im alliance and i almost always get attacked when fighting something
ember arrow
prob by me
tardy jolt
😄
tardy jolt
"morally grey"
burns a village and impales innocent peasants to walls with spears
back to your original question: level up as prot, so ez
brisk flax
So many of my friends are like why are you playing warrior
no one wants them
i was sad 😦
tardy jolt
we're fiine
south patrol
Reason ppl don't want prot warriors is because sooo many are bad at playing our new rotation
south patrol
Using it correct we're fine
tardy jolt
true story
brisk flax
ah so baddies are causing the confusion?
south patrol
It's more like, defensive changes
tardy jolt
ignore pain on gcd changes a lot
south patrol
agreed, but you get used to it fast
brisk flax
so weird watching what Tclap has become too lol
compared to what it used to be way back
dusky solar
Hey quick question about our Azeroth amor, have we figured out what will be the cookie cutter of powers?
brisk flax
so what happened to the old legendaries?
kind prairie
Nothing.
brisk flax
cause i havent even logged on my other character
kind prairie
They lose power at 116
brisk flax
i xfered my old warrior here and boosted it cause i wanted all my old Rep titles and stuff
kind prairie
Then that's it.
brisk flax
so there is no point in them after that?
like i didnt gimp myself by swapping to my old warrior from back in the day
kind prairie
None other than a stat stick til you find higher ilvl
kind prairie
Naw
kind prairie
All legion stuff is gone.
brisk flax
ok cool
kind prairie
Or at least not relevent
brisk flax
was worried about that
vagrant cape
wow, I just realized... do we not have a single azerite chest with DC on it?
from dungeons, that is
kind prairie
DC?
little star
vagrant cape
damn
I have a 340 helm, 325 shoulders, and 325 chest. I got 340 shoulders, but my 325 shoulders are the only piece with DC so I can't use the new ones (they have callous reprisal. yuck.)
also wtb higher than 11% base haste
pm me
serious offers only
grim prism
Pretty sure my haste is 5% right now
Yall have double or triple mine and are complaining
Things could always be worse
Covet not thy neighbor's loot
dark junco
fierce juniper
for pure survivability you want armor
but haste is also good for survivability
and increases damage as well ofc
fierce juniper
np
broken kite
I use armour one
crude hound
How are people dealing with the berserkers bleed in kings rest?
Feels like theres nothing i can do once i get 2 stacks, but if I kite then my melee die
strong forum
focus em, and kite when they jump away
keep on taunting and throwing
should do the trick
crude hound
And it wont bleed the melee at all?
strong forum
how if they wont get attacked
crude hound
it happened earlier
fringe marten
for gem enchants, should we use the 40 str gem first, then start slotting in haste?
junior ivy
what dungeon drops a good 1 handed tanking weapon?
fringe marten
Anyone with a 1h..but waycrest manor has the best one I think
fierce juniper
@fringe marten For survivability you want Haste in all sockets
fringe marten
I use a 340 from mythic tol dagor...all I've gotten.
junior ivy
waycrest, ok thanks
snow nest
Can anyone direct me to some info about which Azerite traits to take on the engineering goggles?
fringe marten
Also...no epic shield yet..WTF, two weeks of clearing mythics.
pallid pelican
@fringe marten I feel you brother...
fringe marten
On the top of the channel, top border of discord you'll see a pin icon in the top right'ish area. click it, follow the links (to icy veins info breakout)
snow nest
yeah the IV guide doesn't cover them, already checked
it only mentions the very inner ring at some point which is only 2 traits....
lilac summit
is the brain trust set worth the block value?
pallid pelican
I would rate helm from freehold chest from shrine
Shoulders from temple are ok too
lilac summit
hm?
pallid pelican
I'm not saying they are BIS bit I'm finding them good
fierce juniper
@snow nest The outer ring engi traits aren't taken for the reasons outlined in the guide, and the inner ring ones are in the rankings in the guide
snow nest
in the Azerite gear section?
cause me and CTRL-F must be blind lol
XD
gonna guess Synaptic Spark Capacitor is the way to go
junior bough
Help me out here guys. Ran a mythic at 823 and waa getting trucked even with ignore pain n shield block up. Is prot warriors having and issue atm?
lilac summit
i didnt have an issue really
junior bough
Sorry 323 ilvl
keen geode
some specific packs will shrek you
a tol dagor pack, a pack in freehold, casters in shrine
exotic tiger
is stalwart really that much better than quick nav?
clear sapphire
I ran mythics the first week at just over 300 and they were not that bad. Hardest night was zul before last boss in Kings rest.
Day 2 I think it was.
pallid pelican
zul's shadow barrage fingered me too
clear sapphire
Can't wait for that on M+. Gonna have to lust that ;0
sick sentinel
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brave jetty
Is there any official indication that any more of our new abilities that were placed on GCD might be reverted for this spec?
prisma crane
wishful thinking my dude
clear sapphire
Have you tried the ouiji board? It gives good predictions ;o
brave jetty
I just reinstalled for BfA after taking a break midway through Legion and the gameplay downgrade is an immense disappointment for me.
prisma crane
welcome to BFA
from what i've been hearing dps dont mind it, some actually like it, healers are indifferent, mostly tanks feel it
so i doubt it's going anywhere
i'd love it to revert as i loved the spam that was prot in ABT, but we'll have to learn
brave jetty
I just haven't followed the community super closely so I wasn't sure if there were some blue posts or anything that people were aware of that maybe I was missing.
prisma crane
in about a month i bet most wont think about it much anymore
people have been complaining about it since alpha, hell, SB was on the GCD even iirc
sick sentinel
Losing threat for a second because demo shout is on the gcd is obnoxious
brave jetty
Demo Shout + Avatar feels really bad
Particularly now that we're hitting Demo so much more often.
prisma crane
honestly im hitting demo less than i did in legion, at least in M+
brave jetty
Just wasn't sure if the community backlash has persisted since they reverted some of the stuff prior to / during the beta
prisma crane
yep, they holding pretty firm, i'd be shocked if anything changed
sick sentinel
I think the community backlash stopped because blizz held firm on the change
brave jetty
That's extremely disappointing
prisma crane
agreed, but it's where we are
sick sentinel
It’s just futile at this point
brave jetty
The gameplay feel is really important to me and the spec actually just feels reaaaaaaaaaaaally awful and I still haven't gotten used to it.
sick sentinel
Same thing with gear swapping and master loot
prisma crane
best advice i can give is to play more or less
more if you wanna get used to it, play less if you just dont enjoy it
the only thing i hate about PL is that i cant trade something that i'll never use just because it's 5 ilvls higher than what i have
brave jetty
Well I'd probably just stop playing period or swap to a different role/class
prisma crane
nothing wrong with that, dont have to play wow
sick sentinel
Warrior dps specs are in a good place imo
prisma crane
shouldnt ever play something if you do it jsut because you feel you should
or out of habit
brave jetty
Since Prot gameplay has felt really good to me for several expansions now and this has seriously hampered that
Well no, I like the class and role and our tools and tanking style
But above all else the gameplay was good
broken kite
Post feedback on official forms and reroll. That's my advice
steel mauve
sounds like a terrible person
frigid blaze
Do we have a reliable trinket spreadsheet?
Trying to compare Big Red Button and Vial of Animated Blood.
ember arrow
@prisma crane about the gameplay "downgrade", on my dk at least, it feels similar to legion atm
@frigid blaze theres one in pins
but its a def trinket list, if u want for dps, u can sim it
frigid blaze
All good, thank you! Sorry for not thinking to check first.
ember arrow
i almost pinged macrologia for it, but then realized its in pins 😛
prisma crane
yea, i cant speak to the rest of the tanking classes, only from what i've heard elsewhere, interesting to note about the DKs though
did DKs ever really buff stack though?
slow falcon
I am having legit the hardest time deciding between war and pally tank right now
ember arrow
not nmearly as much as warr
prisma crane
@slow falcon i hear decent things about pally, i'd just play what you want
prisma crane
just know that warriors will likely have a bit rougher time getting into random groups if that's your thing, at least unless we get OP at least briefly to fix our stigma
mystic widget
thinking about playing warr tank, is it as bad as ppl say ?
ember arrow
refer to pins
prisma crane
it's worse, we just hang out here for nostalgia purposes 😉 /s
pretty much universally people enjoy the playstyle of it, albeit veterans arent always a fan of the flow (like myself)
ember arrow
o/
prisma crane
as far as viability, we're plenty viable, just not OP
brave jetty
Viability is probably far better off than the gameplay, right now
prisma crane
that comes down to perspective, but i'd agree
im getting used to the flow though
slowly
mystic widget
tbh i just want a Mag'har Orc Warrior tank :^)
pallid pelican
^
prisma crane
i want this as a warrior tank
i'd also love shoulder armor that goes down the arm like the last boss in kings rest, would be sick, or maybe make it a part of the shield, so much badassery potential
pallid pelican
I feel if you just look badass you will get the results it's all about the mog
pallid pelican
💙
prisma crane
though the green from ToS looks just as good, i just prefer the red
junior ivy
s4 elite is one of my favourite tmogs
i got a gnome warrior friend who uses it
looks so good
topaz ember
just got a 940 sheild were in boys
junior ivy
grats
junior ivy
thtas tomb mythic right?
prisma crane
yea
grim prism
Kappa
topaz ember
I'm glad someone noticed
sick sentinel
What traits are we looking for as prot, sorry if already psoted
for just mythic and upcoming mythic +
prisma crane
it's all in the pins my dude
ember arrow
prot still cant grip adds
primal crypt
LUL
ember arrow
little bit of a too broad question
dusky summit
prot also doesnt have self sustain anymore 😦
bleak wyvern
best part bout prot is they are almost as squish as a clothy
ember arrow
right
and what do you base that on?
did you compare a clothy's damage reduction to a prot warrior's and did the math and compared
or u just throwing it out there?
spiral plover
hey guys,idk if you talk about this but is Darkmoon Deck: Blockades worth gettign after the hotfix ?
ember arrow
its the best defensive trinket available atm, good choice defensively, especially if you don't want to farm other trinkets and can afford the price@spiral plover
spiral plover
ok ty
ember arrow
it will be repalced shortly after m+/raid trinkets drop probably
since "best defensive trinket" just means "its least terrible"
junior bough
how much haste should we be going for? I am at 7% and getting trucked in mythics. Is that too low?
ember arrow
ilvl>haste
there inst a reachable haste cap
if youre getting trucked in mythics i suggest reading the pins FAQ
we can go from there
edgy patrol
Any prot warr pros here?
ember arrow
ask away, someone will prob know an answer
edgy patrol
Deciding between which 2 trinks to use: Mchimba's Ritual Bandages / DMC: Blockades / Plunderbeard's Flask
all 355il
ember arrow
for defensve purposes i assume?
edgy patrol
I mean whatever is proper for prot warr
ember arrow
well trinkets have uses
edgy patrol
Flask has a ton of haste and mainstat
edgy patrol
Oh??
ember arrow
although a mainstat trinket + haste proc would be better
covert hare
edgy patrol
So DMC & Flask?
ember arrow
bandages has same value at 385 as infernal contract does from nighthold
keep that in mind
yes DMD and flask
edgy patrol
How did you come up with that number?
ember arrow
it was compared on those ilvls on the dk discord
pallid pelican
Iron fortress and deafening crash @goldar
Shrine of storm chest
Freehold shoulder
Underrot helm
These for stacking iron fortress
@sick sentinel
bleak wyvern
wut about big wed buttown
upbeat folio
Is there any practical difference between a fist weapon and a sword these days? Am I overlooking something?
upbeat folio
Awesome. Thanks. The auction house has a premium on swords/maces etc on my server... so gonna buy some cheap 325 fist weapon.
crystal night
Just got Jes Howler 340, should I rock Jes Howler/ Blockade or 340 REzan eye + Blockade?
@raven kernel I wanna do that too seems really fun for damage
amber siren
Blockade is purely a defensive trinket so just depends if you want the extra Stam or haste
Wait I misread the question
Probably just personal preference?
raven kernel
Just go with dps since we're legit dps on 3 mobs+
oblique quarry
is there a pawn tag for our stat weights?
junior ivy
my dps is good now !!!!!!!!!!
ember arrow
@oblique quarry nope
oblique quarry
ok
ember arrow
ilvl> haste>other secondaries
topaz ember
besides rings kinda
ember arrow
still 10 or more on rings is also better
more ilvl on rings gives you more stats total
sick sentinel
@pallid pelican Thank you just read response
pallid pelican
Your welcome I am only an AoTC tank and that's only my advice there may be other opinions stick to what works for your playstyle
winged maple
I just tanked the king’s rest mythic with 311 ilvl and a 275ilvl shield.
Needless to say i was a wet noodle. There is this mini boss before u get to the last boss, the zul’s shadowy version. How do u survive that?
pseudo rock
Who does prot feel so squishy right now 😦
crystal night
Sorry guys my group started running Mythic dungeons. I was thinking for survivability should I do blockades + Jes / Blockades + Rezans / or Rezan's + Jes
pseudo rock
why**
pseudo rock
I'm 3325 with blockades
and I see dk pulling 3 trash packs while I struggle woth one :/
crystal night
They have AoE group though which makes it a lot easier to manage
pseudo rock
what talents/ rotation are you using in mythics?
I should check the faqs actually my b
abstract adder
At what point do we swap for ilvl or trait? I got a 340 shoulder or a 325 shoulder with thunderclap
raven kernel
Dps hard
Use all rage on ip
Don't need shield block
Pop last stand, demo shout
Shield wall if necessary
Commanding shout for your party towards the end
All dps should be popping their dps cds
Healer shouldn't hesitate to use big cds like healing tide or tranq
I would save lust if possible but consider lusting if your grp is undergeared
Pop spell reflect for dmg reduction on one of the later ticks
latent tide
How do you fellow Prot Warriors handle the two Berserker pull in Kings Rest right before the third boss?