no since monks and druids replicate the same try again and again
#protection
strong forum
theres is no variation in monks and druids
thats why WF raiders take them
to eliminate variations
and ofc because monk is simply giga in raids
crimson sentinel
Byron they would not
winged elm
What are the two bis trinks atm pre raid?
humble oar
Anything with Base Str and Vers
humble oar
Rezans is notable aswell for sure
delicate bone
Jez is also nice
stray wedge
Jes' Howler and Rezan's Fury
winged elm
Lingering Sporepods isn't good?
stray wedge
not really no
humble oar
not at all
stray wedge
I don't think it's worth trying to 'farm' any particular trinkets
topaz ember
Plunder beards flask any good? got about 20 of them from world quests
strong forum
i have 340 lingering spore pod, heals about 250k per dungeon
actually kinda like it tbh
humble oar
I have Bygone Bee, the 350 BOE trink, its quite good also
humble oar
I thiikn the important part is that it has Base Str
stray wedge
250k healing in a dungeon is very little
winged elm
and both fathoms and blockades
stray wedge
i'd certainly use fathoms, it's very good for dps, and there are no trinkets which are particularly good for survivability
crimson sentinel
// effective healing
stray wedge
250k effective healing is very little across an entire dungeon
crimson sentinel
Pretty much
strong forum
i know that
stray wedge
blockades' effect is terrible, but it's still a 355 base strength trinket which is nothing to sneeze at, particularly given it's exceptionally cheap
humble oar
Honestly there are alot of legion trinkets that are currently not tune properly and outperfom BFA ones, but I wouldnt count on that staying that way XD
winged elm
Hmmm so either Fathoms and Rezans or Rezans and Briny Barnacle then I suppose
strong forum
i have 335 barnacle, its like 1-2% dmg
winged elm
I've been using double darkmoon
topaz ember
I'm using briny barnacle aswell
winged elm
but I have a 345 Briny
strong forum
but i think gilded loa figurine is still stronger than briny
humble oar
does anyone use a character stat addon that translates Block rating correctly, In Deja's its very incorrect
digital vale
The stat random protection :c
strong forum
block rating as in damage reduction?
4428 block value = 44.28%
if thats what youre asking
humble oar
oooh shit nice
winged elm
nice I'm 338 atm
topaz ember
yea but nos hirt?
humble oar
on dejas it says 4241% for me, didnt know it was just missing a decimal
digital vale
the random atributes ruines the build lmao
strong forum
damn you and your 3 340 azerite pieces, i only got 1 from all mythics
would be easily 340+ if i had em
topaz ember
as a first world problem i missed haing more traits on my 340 peices
winged elm
Have you done all 10 mythics?
topaz ember
miss*
digital vale
bardoma mithyc is to dificult
strong forum
yes i have
winged elm
Same, I didn't have the best luck
winged elm
dat boe shield tho
topaz ember
i got 3 340 shoulders and 2 340 chests drop this week
topaz ember
look at mr high roller over here
winged elm
4-500,000 on mine
sick sentinel
190k on mine
winged elm
I would buy at 190
strong forum
winged elm
tbh
final mist
winged elm
I'm main spec arms though so meh
final mist
Git gud, boys
strong forum
BOE CUCK
winged elm
Whaling over here
topaz ember
Sal be real how much have you spent on boes
final mist
3mil?
sick sentinel
๐
final mist
Are we counting the 5 Teebu's I bought and resold, or no?
strong forum
boe cuck
final mist
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
undone sun
damn sal
mossy ember
What stat priority would you aim at for aoe dps?
undone sun
.3 ahead of me
topaz ember
i had 1.8 mil in legiona dn then i bought 2 hearthsonte xpacs and played them for about a half hour each
final mist
Don't hate the player, hate the capitalist economical system I've exploited for personal profit
toxic remnant
Aint no better shield than a big wallet
strong forum
hf not getting upgrades for another 3 weeks
final mist
I bought these because I wasn't expecting any
final mist
No
fierce juniper
https://i.imgur.com/vN41jnA.png
git rekt sal
winged elm
Sal what two pre raid trinks you like
astral crystal
hackers
winged elm
or Marok while you're here
topaz ember
How do i removed someone elses post?
mossy ember
What stat priority would you aim at for aoe dps?
undone sun
the same as normal
strong forum
^
ember arrow
how theh ell
mossy ember
K thank you
ember arrow
are u 346
strong forum
alot of money
ember arrow
i get like 5 items from mythic
strong forum
alot, of money
winged elm
You guys don't like lingering spore?
final mist
I could buy 355s of all of these and be higher, but I'm cheap
ember arrow
wish i had that kind of money
fierce juniper
@mossy ember
Don't know for sure since we don't have sims, but you almost definitely want to stack Crit for pure DPS purposes.
stray wedge
@final mist @fierce juniper how the fuck are you guys 345-346
i'm just over 339 and i only have one boe (trinket, bought)
strong forum
i feel like im repeating myself
mossy ember
@fierce juniper thank you
final mist
I bought 8 350/355s
fierce juniper
i have 7 boes lmao
stray wedge
alright mr moneybags
undone sun
yikes
final mist
And both of my rings TF'd to 350
strong forum
angrily waves fist in the distance
final mist
I still have 335 bracers though
undone sun
stray wedge
why crit rather than haste @fierce juniper?
strong forum
kek not 18 neck
smoky canopy
you guys finding good shields any way besides dungeons
topaz ember
IS THAT NECK 340?
final mist
BoE one is good
undone sun
yes
fierce juniper
@stray wedge I don't see how/why Haste would be better than crit for DPS. could be wrong ofc
stray wedge
er
undone sun
F E E L Y C R A F T
stray wedge
if you have 50% haste, you get 50% more attacks in, right? is that not accurate?
smoky canopy
mine is still 259 :[
strong forum
lul
topaz ember
i didnt mean caps my demo shout is bined to caps lock b/c i'm on moonguard and have to rp at all time
stray wedge
i know at 100% haste you get 100% more attacks in
strong forum
how
ember arrow
smoky canopy
ive mostly been playing arms
ember arrow
i only got this feelsbad
stray wedge
(plus slight benefit of more sb uptime = more sb-affected ss, but)
strong forum
GETIKKU THOUGH
topaz ember
My neck is level 17 and i'm halfway to 18 but its only 327
strong forum
get some rep boi
stray wedge
let's say you have a 1.5 sec gcd, over 1 minute you cast 40 gcds
strong forum
im 18 and my neck is 344
stray wedge
at 50% haste you have a gcd of 1 sec
topaz ember
rep with who?
strong forum
chupa chups of azeroth
stray wedge
why would crit be better than haste @fierce juniper
final mist
I'm sure Crit is better now than it used to be, since BC is gone, but I doubt it's better than Haste
strong forum
in terms of dps i wouldnt doubt that
stray wedge
bleeds are hasted now, remember
final mist
I imagine it'd flucuate of course, depending on how close or far you are from fitting more GCDs into something like Avatar, but no way Crit outweighs Haste
strong forum
due to ITF i reckon crit outweighs haste
stray wedge
haste is a linear increase to gcds and autoattacks per period of time, up to 100% haste
strong forum
in raw dps
stray wedge
having haste does not make haste worse relative to itself
strong forum
:thonk:
fierce juniper
I mean, no one has any way of saying for sure.
Sure, Haste is a linear increase to GCDs, but that doesn't prove anything.
topaz ember
man i only got 10% haste
stray wedge
+1% crit is +1% average damage done, and haste is +1% abilities cast over time and +1% AAs over time
are all your cds reduced by haste
they're not are they
final mist
DS and Avatar are, which are the important ones to worry about when considering DPS
final mist
AM exists
fierce juniper
okay sure
topaz ember
Also on a side note is into the fray breaking for anyone else? I never get the buff or extra haste until i pick another talent and then swap back
happened to me twice so far
fierce juniper
yeah its a known bug
topaz ember
any idea to what breaks it?
undone sun
๐
topaz ember
stray wedge
@fierce juniper do some testing to find out what your average e.g. avatar cd is with 0 haste (with AM), and your average avatar cd with as much haste as you can get (and tell me what that amount is)
actually nvm not worth doing, too many other factors like rage from melees taken etc
smoky canopy
tsk
feels like without wrists im missing a lot of self sustain
the big rock bois in azerite world quests were kicking my ass
untold thunder
Just get the health regen buff then
smoky canopy
which was that
topaz ember
what i do is pull smaller things to get you VR and use Last stand on cd after you have taken over 30% of your max hp as dmg
untold thunder
When you walk down intobthe liquud azerite
final mist
Stand in the azerite lava
smoky canopy
oh
final mist
It gives you a damage and healing buff
untold thunder
Liquid*
smoky canopy
thanks guys
stray wedge
oh i didn't know that
smoky canopy
how much is oswain's impassive guard rn
because i ran all the dungeons and no shields dropped on m0
strong forum
200k-500k i reckon
topaz ember
they reset tomrrow so dont buy it yet imo
strong forum
its currently BiS so ya
i just said fuck it and bought a 355 so im set for some time
i aint taking chances in having a fucked shield for m+
topaz ember
when m+ start anyways?
junior ivy
i am confused about island expeditions
to upgrade my ship oir whatever next level i need to do 5 different ones
how can i tell how many ive done?
can i queue for specific ones?
broken kite
Takes two weeks
undone sun
And the islands are on a weekly rotation, so unless you did them on the day before reset after launch you can't have all of them
junior ivy
oh okay
broken kite
Since theres only three unique per week
junior ivy
so i did like 6 this week im probably good til tomorrow?
undone sun
Worth doing for weekly, then never again
undone sun
AP and rep
topaz ember
alot of rep
broken kite
If it's strength you're fine
junior ivy
it is
broken kite
Punch away
fierce juniper
@frigid blaze
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker added it
frigid blaze
You're a legend
trim aspen
Hey guys, I'm looking to tank for the first time and am trying to get a pawn string for my specific toon. But SimC and Raidbots aren't letting me. Any idea?
undone sun
Don't
timid jay
undone sun
Defenaviely you can't sim tanks thus making pawn strings always inaccurate for degensive reasons
Offensviely we don't have working sims
frigid blaze
Oh hello my love
undone sun
Using the stat priority
novel comet
Any plans for an amazing Prot Compendium like we had in Legion? That thing was....amazing.
trim aspen
Thanks Thyme ๐
undone sun
@final mist made the guide last time, depends if he plans on it this time
final mist
I haven't seen the need, since Marok has control of the Icy Veins guide. But if there's a want / need for it, I can whip something up.
livid forge
Howdy. I'm fairly new here but I've been playing prot warrior for a few years now. I was wondering how people were combating the lack of 100% up-time on shield block.
I've been covering the down-time with Last Stand and demo shout when available but aside from that (and acknowledging we will need to use shield wall for big boss abilities) how are people planning to keep themselves protected during raid.
raven kernel
3 shield blocks, last stand with bolster, 3.shield blocks
Boss dead by then
For mythic dungeons
Demo shout right at the start and reapply it on cd
Ip as needed
I've almost never need shield wall on bosses
Usually burn it on trash
surreal stump
i know most trinkets are garbo and such, but any idea how good the bygone bee is gonna be?
weary python
Prot doesn't feel as shit as some people on the interwebs are making it out to be. IP prob should be off the GCD but w/e
Note: Iver never tanked before in wow so my opinion is probably the most valid as well.
weary notch
anyone know of an addon that shows when you get hit by magical dmg vs physical? I've tried Mik's Scrolling Battle Text but it doesn't quite do what I want
sick sentinel
weary python
that's a nice character
weary python
What comprehensive WA are you guys using?
mint folio
Any good weak auras or video guides yall would recomend to learn prot warrior and tanking
frigid blaze
Apparently Blockades got a buff?
main vault
Yes
frigid blaze
Does not bad = good?
main vault
No
frigid blaze
There we go
frigid blaze
Yes, I understand.
main vault
Just making sure since you needed clarification
:kappa:
theres still a couple better
But its worth buying if you want it that bad
final mist
Pins are updated with both the trinket list and the new blurb for the DMD.
TL;DR Get one, it's good.
frigid blaze
Whether or not I want it is dependent on how good it is ๐
Didn't even realize that Macro was the one who brought my attention to it via the pally discord, haha.
Thanks, Sal.
hot locust
"good" is a strong word.
main vault
Its not good
hot locust
It's definitely a progression trinket now.
main vault
Its just not bad
hot locust
But mostly just because we still don't have other options defensively for anything
copper lark
i just heard that one of the darkmoon decks is likely having its effect hotfixed. Any word on if Blockades will get changed?
copper lark
checkin now
main vault
That should be the first stop
copper lark
I see the change in the pin. Where can i find specifics info on this?\
main vault
What specific info?
copper lark
Like what exactly is being changed about it
main vault
dreamgrove.gg has a post about it
main vault
But basically the stam is gives was buffed
What was the largest amount before is now the Ace card
dreamy gorge
so how's prot warrior compared to other tanks?
livid forge
@raven kernel Are you using heavy reprecussions? I'm currently unable to chain 3 shield blocks. But my gear is a hodgepodge at the moment.
amber siren
HR isn't a good talent to use, we're very much reliant on how good the synergy between AM and BV is rn
dreamy gorge
nvm, pins told alot
weary notch
AM, BV and Bolster
amber siren
^
weary notch
and deafening crash just ties it all together. It's almost too good
raven kernel
@livid forge you can leave a second of two of gaps between sblocks, it's fine
On trash u can chain the 2 blocks back to back then go straight into last stand
Skip the 3rd block and spend the rage on more ip
main vault
Let's talk about the fact the Freehold mob doesn't drop threat anymore
None of this other stuff
proven tundra
Blockades deck just got buffed
raven kernel
Hotfixed?
undone sun
Irontide Enforcer's Shattering Toss will no longer wipe threat from the tank.
raven kernel
Kreygasm
ember arrow
finally
amber siren
I thought it was intended
inland mesa
you only want one deafening crash trait right, or does it stack
amber siren
The damage stacks but the duration increase doesn't
So one trait is all you really need
raven kernel
Triple for MAXDPS
weary notch
Deafening Crash x3 so your raid can't hear anything
dark junco
main vault
It's a sad day when people get that excited about Blizzard throwing them a bone
weary notch
I'm quite liking https://www.wowhead.com/item=159627/jes-howler&bonus=4777:1482
bold spindle
how is prot warrior so far in bfa
sick sentinel
bold spindle
looking to make one
sick sentinel
nice
cobalt swallow
Is blockade good now after the buff?
undone sun
It's definitely better
Than before
But strictly defnesviely there's not a lot of good ones pre raid to begin with
Jes howler likely still beats it
livid forge
Thanks for the help.
fluid beacon
Is there a list for Shields?
wintry arch
wait i am confused is haste now better for us?
fluid beacon
The wowhead list only show 3 epic shields
cloud bone
haste has always been the best stat for us atleast from legion onward
undone sun
aside from strength, haste has always been top
sick sentinel
Jes Howlis - Tol Dagor
Rezan - Atal'Dazar
Galvazzt - Temple of Sethraliss
Coin-Operated Crowd Pummeler - MOTHERLOAD
Sporecaller Zancha - Underrot
@fluid beacon
cloud bone
I'm guessing those are our good pre-raid trinkets
zealous gull
Is Blockades worth 80k now with the buff?
sick sentinel
It's always been worth it due to the str
main vault
That's not entirely true
cloud bone
wait no those are shields
cloud bone
I saw Jes and Rezan and thought trinkets since they have their names in them
cloud bone
is the trinket really that good?
sick sentinel
yep
cloud bone
I'm using the alc and 325 rezan ones right now
vagrant cape
I'm curious, on the last boss of shrine of storms, has the dps group ever beaten you out of the droawning phase? because the healer and I always beat our add before the dps beat theirs.
cloud bone
They did for me since I mostly kite the add cus I was using a leveling shield still
cinder pasture
Arenโt you supposed to kite the add anyways? Since the healer gets the damage buff and is killing it
main vault
I just face tank it
cinder pasture
I havenโt tanked that place yet, the joys of running dungeons with my co-tank that refuses to heal/dps
The dps part of that boss all depends on how many interrupts you have though, itโs super slow when you only have 1 melee.
astral crystal
should i pick up blockades at 80k?
stray wedge
your propensity to spend gold is something for you to decide
snow nest
Finished Ms under the wire... Gotta say prot and the dungos feel really fun ๐
astral crystal
understood, but im just wondering if the buff makes it worth
undone sun
still nothing spectacular of a trinket, definitely better than before
sick sentinel
let's ask this instead : If you had 120k gold, and blockades now costs 80k, would you buy it? ๐
inner coyote
it's down to 38k this morning on Darksorrow >.<
astral crystal
well, i have 10 times that so ๐
inner coyote
snatched that up fast
sick sentinel
wow, lucky
inner coyote
AH is flooded with them atm
inner coyote
7.4k heal when shuffling to number 5 ain't bad though
outer coral
astral crystal
i picked it up, idk though, my trinkets are alright
inner coyote
Number 8 just healed for just short of 12k and gives 583 stam
astral crystal
335 flask and a 345 bandages from kangz rest
undone sun
it's all relative but in a siege M0 it's still meh https://puu.sh/BhIBz/41d552ff75.png
sick sentinel
sick heals : P
undone sun
of course it's going to average out differently for each tank
but still not too far off
ionic fern
Wait a second..that's not a warrior icon...
undone sun
you're right
ionic fern
I hate that BoL is so weak now tho. ๐ฆ
undone sun
yeah
torn gulch
I am looking at the Icy Veins prot warrior guide and see that Impassive Visage is an S Tier trait, can someone expand on it, did it provides decent sustain?
ionic fern
It heals for quite a bit and has a low internal CD..6 or 8 seconds, can't remember.. on a tank that's lacking self sustain it's a big deal i suppose.
Plus most others on that tier aren't that good.
merry cave
I've been using blockades for a while now considering the ilvl if the gold cost is minimal for what you have it's worth it
To the person that asked
abstract geyser
merry cave
I'm not bothering they're about 40k in mats atm in my server ๐
topaz ember
the blockades was 25k for a sec on my server but now i see people saying they are buffing the 355 trinkets?
or is that trade chat bs
topaz ember
rip
undone sun
fathoms is still great though
topaz ember
blockades worth getting now or?
wild torrent
what is the best middle ring trait atm?
undone sun
wild torrent
ty
sick sentinel
how does the trinket even work? When does is suffle trough?
undone sun
every 20 seconds
https://questionablyepic.com/deck-of-cards/ is essentially how they work
sick sentinel
thx โค
slate crane
armor weapon enchant vs haste enchant?
amber siren
check pins
slate crane
ah yes yes of course of course
sick sentinel
@undone sun those healing numbers don't seem hotfixed tbh. Your server hasn't restarted yet maybe?
sick sentinel
sigh
Never lucky. We need something outside vampiric embrace/victory rush for self sustain in dungeons
hidden estuary
Literally victory rush is all we got haha
undone sun
Last stand heals ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
Vampiric Embrace heals as much
Last Stand is #3 for me
last night Boralus and some WQs
Huh, Resounding Protection is new since Necklace lvl 17. didnt notice that before
sick sentinel
Dont have AV on any gear
winged elm
super good
sick sentinel
0 Azerite pieces dropped in hc/m0 combined
winged elm
ouch
sick sentinel
Nah. EU horde got a 340 2h weapon
winged elm
must be nice
sick sentinel
Have the BiS from King's Rest alrdy, so don`t profit ๐
sick sentinel
Only Boss this expansion in Arms Loot Spec
torn gulch
tested having darkmoon card and impassive visage and I can say that having a little bit of sustain is magic for prot warrior
winged elm
So is it looking like preraid trinks will be blockades and rezan?
An 8 card give you 578 stam now
old zephyr
Used to be What 100 ?
torn gulch
if rezan drops
uneven violet
wow, got dmd blockade 2 days ago just for iLvl cause of low price
dont even cared how it works
any explaination somewhere how it does? ๐
amber siren
you randomly draw a card, get a stam bonus + small heal from the card it draws
it's automatic and has no way of manipulating what you get
some numbers from wowhead, no idea if they're accurate
Stamina | Heal
72 | 1315
146 | 2691
218 | 4036
291 | 5380
364 | 6726
437 | 8071
510 | 9416
583 | 10.8k
torn gulch
i don;t think we have stat sticks
old zephyr
Well DmD is sort of ร stat stick
ember dagger
blockades buffed? I wonder if they'll be good for gold over the next day or so.
torn gulch
it was 30k on my realm before the buff
vocal nimbus
I bought one for 40k before the buff too
old zephyr
I got one yesterday Because they were dirt cheap hoping for a buff ans there we are =)
raven kernel
Price already spiked
smoky wave
My wife was making darkmoon cards, she put a blockades aside for me saying "they're totally going to buff it". I laughed and told her to sell it. Thankfully she didn't listen to me.
umbral epoch
70k?? fucking hell...they were between 115-180k on my server BEFORE the buff....
smoky wave
80k on mine, 19 up. I'm not actually expecting it to spike that much.
sick sentinel
Lol got mine for 280k on my server ๐
twin hazel
just got mine for 60k
ember dagger
you guys must play on smaller servers and bought early, I'm on tich
and yes, the AH is barely working
twin hazel
or big servers where supply was high
and demand was low
because nobody fuckn wanted it lol
severe steeple
yo, i haven't gone to the AH yet has Fanthom dropped on your realms?
west vigil
fathoms was barely nerfed so i doubt it'll drop that much
umbral epoch
is 9% barely? it was top on sims for alot of classes by alot, so its probably warranted
fossil spindle
got blockades for 54k, expecting them to go to 90k or so
tight tree
Afraid to image how much it will be on Draenor ๐ Going to check this evening. 90-100 i can afford, more than that - no game. I am cheap ๐
west vigil
@umbral epoch it's like 0.4% loss from fathom's input to overall dps on Arms simulations
serene shuttle
Blockades hotfix, how do you think its gonna be?
undone sun
it's better than before, but it's still mostly only used for the main stat
umbral epoch
@west vigil so its not really that much. Thanks
onyx vessel
still weak i guess not worth buying eh
old zephyr
Not beeing good does not mean It's not best if everything else is also bad
smoky wave
Has anyone run the numbers on it yet as to how it compares to things like the heal/6secs azerite trait?
merry cave
It's fine and good ilvl boost if it's cheap (which is relative to the individual) just grab it
old zephyr
Stamina | Heal
72 | 1315
146 | 2691
218 | 4036
291 | 5380
364 | 6726
437 | 8071
510 | 9416
583 | 10.8k
Copy pasted from earlier
smoky wave
and it shuffles every 20seconds?
severe steeple
can't believe that 8 was 68 yesterday
and blizz is like
it was giving less than intended
undone sun
https://questionablyepic.com/deck-of-cards/ ๐ how the deck system works
old zephyr
Yeah made me smile
undone sun
every 20s it rolls a new card randomly
severe steeple
yesterday is was like just str
severe steeple
now its some stam too with a little heal
undone sun
Yes, Blockades was buffed by a significant amount and is better than before.
Itโs now quite good for a defensive trinket of its item level. The heal is negligible, but itโs on average 328 stamina (min 72, max 583).
ionic fern
๐
merry monolith
yeah you should pin it :D
smoky wave
Average 6k heals every 20seconds (though doesn't take into account overheals etc) so yeah, bit meh on the heal side
undone sun
now, is it worth the gold? that depends on what trinkets you already have and how much gold you're willing to spend
i can't pin it
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
merry cave
Or just bully a guildie to giving it you for free like I did ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
old zephyr
On a class that benefit ร mot from healing, the heals are not that bad
umbral epoch
avg 300 stam is quite good, the stam before was a laugh
severe steeple
yay got dced
trim aspen
Hey guys, Iโve mained warrior for the past two expansions and want to try tanking for the first time. But I keep getting told that prot is in a very bad place at the moment. Is this true? Why? Why not? I had a streamer one time tell me that if I play something when itโs not the greatest that just imagine what itโll be like when itโs OP lol
jade socket
Prot is in a fine spot atm
trim aspen
Plus Iโve got like EVERTYTHING done on my warrior so I kinda feel like Iโm going to be restarting all over if I do anything other than warrior
jade socket
People just overreact
trim aspen
Okay cool
jade socket
Itโs actually the highest damage tank atm
trim aspen
Really?
That makes me feel good. ๐
So one last question.
If you donโt mind
I asked yesterday about pawn strings and simC. Because Iโve never tanked and didnโt know that it didnโt really work for tanks.
vocal nimbus
You have to use your brain for gearing
trim aspen
Yeah.
vocal nimbus
Basically, iLvL is always an improvement defensively
trim aspen
Okay lol
trim aspen
So if an item had haste Vers vs. critical mast and the crit mast is an ilvl upgrade to with the ilvl?
undone sun
depends on how big of an level difference
and which armor piece
ie, rings/neck or not
trim aspen
Okay
vocal nimbus
rings, we have the heart now
trim aspen
Sorry for the newb questions lol Iโm very new to tanking like I said.
undone sun
๐
cinder pasture
We were all noobs at one point
cinder pasture
Except if one of my guildies ask, I wasnโt.. Ive got a reputation to uphold
trim aspen
The worst anyone can really do is kick me
Lol
So should I follow a wowhead prot guide? Or icy veins?
I never know which one
cinder pasture
Check the pins here, they got info ๐
undone sun
both are acceptable considering they're written by Marok
cinder pasture
Keep asking, Iโm stuck in the hospital and am bored
trim aspen
How do I use that stat priority guide thing? It looked hella confusing
Lol
And did you hurt yourself?
O.o
How the hell do you check pins on mobile?
Lol ๐
nvm got it!
tawny wolf
Does anyone have a tip on how to deal with the last add before the last boss in King's Rest? Shade of Zul I think it is called
Constant magic damage, and me and my healer seemed to struggle quite a bit
tawny wolf
Yeah we did
tardy oak
twin hazel
get better dps is what it sounds like honestly
tawny wolf
Were quite undergeared though. But still, 40k damage per 1 or 2 seconds was quite tough
twin hazel
or its a heal issue
ah if youre undergeared some say that place is one of the hardest
i went in at 330
tawny wolf
I guess I'll see tomorrow
Going to be a pain on Fortified though
or enraging lol
though that can be dispelled, forgot about that
civic kayak
So my group did that with barely any heroic gear and we just kited the add to the respawn location lol
twin hazel
or is that next week
tawny wolf
Still some time for M+, yes.
waxen cradle
So have you guys had a interesting time getting shield drops because fuck my luck has been pure shit there
twin hazel
yah lots of people with 266 still
and shit
just buy the 300 off AH
was 5k when i boughjt it probly cheaper now
spam heroics and hope for ataldazar and a warforge proc
waxen cradle
yeah I did end up doing so just wondering if I am the only one with shit luck on them
twin hazel
if you havent done mythic yet
civic kayak
I've gotten lucky with two handers, have yet to see shield or one handers drop
waxen cradle
Because holy shit I have been spamming heroics and doing M's and no shield drops
I mean its crazy
lone cobalt
which boes are worth buying for prot ?
twin hazel
if you have the gold ilvl is king
merry cave
I wouldn't bother buying anything unless it's cheap like blockades is 50k still on some servers which is worth
Although if you saw the haste ring for cheap maybe
waxen cradle
yeah if you can afford to drop a ton of gold buy whatever... that being said if you have gold to throw around
merry cave
But then if you have millions of gold go nuts
But all those Boe items that are 300k plus aren't worth imo
sick sentinel
the blockades buff is so niceeee
longboi is so useless atm
auction house doesnt even work ๐
sick sentinel
before the buff best card gave me lik +60 stam
now its like +700
and a juicy heal
look out world
merry cave
Longboi is a massive waste of gold imo, even if I was gold capped I wouldn't waste on it
merry cave
If it was the size of the npc Dino's I'd be a lot more into it but why did we need a mini me version
slender nova
I just feel like wasting this money on gear is a waste as the gear will be irrelevant in 1 month?
crimson sentinel
Makes the new hotfix the darkmoon trinket worth it?
merry cave
Don't care about door frames I have a 50ft dino
severe steeple
btw is the bee mount drop revealed?
merry cave
If you want to spend the gold dwrkmoon is decent
If you don't wanna spend you can live without
slender nova
How much have you guys spent on gear since bfa dropped?
balmy lichen
30k for a shield ๐
merry cave
I spent 100k leveling bs and engineering for no reason because the gear jr shit or gated ๐ ๐ ๐
slender nova
I think I'm gonna buy some gear when I hit 120 regardless, just so I can get a little headstart over my mates
I've seen people spend a mill plus though in my guild and it's like wtf
arctic sun
it's useless too considering warfronts are coming in a few weeks and you easily get 340 gear from there
umbral epoch
only thing i bought was the darkmoon trinket, but i might get a cheap ilvl 300 shield from the AH if there's one around (using a shitty iLvl 272 GREEN one atm.....)
fringe marten
Blockades?
arctic sun
farm atal dazar if you want a shield
fringe marten
And is the Darkmoon trinket fix live already?
arctic sun
it's not really a difficult dungeon
if you have friends that is, otherwise expect wipes on the second boss xd
umbral epoch
no luck so far spacemazur (but i only just hit 120 with him, so havent spammed many dungeons)
did 3 mythics yesterday at 298 iLvl, (freehold, motherlode and waycrest manor), but no weapon/shield drops
arctic sun
shame
umbral epoch
im sure it will drop, just want that bit extra so its easier to do rest of mythics
i got my DH to 339 iLvl on first reset, so it's a matter of time
arctic sun
dh tank?
umbral epoch
yep ๐
arctic sun
that's cool, I haven't touched mine yet
tight tree
matter of luck rather ๐ done all mythics, sitting on 333
arctic sun
which one survive best?
fringe marten
thanks
sick sentinel
ill get 945 today if i get luck with drop
umbral epoch
i cant tell you really, i heal alot with DH and with Demon Spikes i feel like i take ZERO dmg. But Warr has so many more defensives.....i felt even at shitty iLvl i was surviving things i wouldnt be able with the DH
the new last stand is so good
sick sentinel
yeah
umbral epoch
and with anger management, it feels like every couple of pulls you got all your defensives
winged cave
I feel like when I play prot I'm 100% at the mercy of my healer
sick sentinel
problem is you have to use your defensives for autoattack as a warrior
cause no heals
so the blockades buff is actually enormous for us
arctic sun
fuck i need to get that before the prices raises
sick sentinel
buffed with like 1000%
umbral epoch
yeah im looking forward to the new blockades, i didnt really notice it yesterday
balmy lichen
on my server the price is already skyrocketed
sick sentinel
best card used to give me 60 stam now it gives me like 600 stam
and heal went from 2k to 20k
umbral epoch
i think the heal isnt even the best thing, but the flat stam
sick sentinel
yeah now at least
ember arrow
72 | 1315
146 | 2691
218 | 4036
291 | 5380
364 | 6726
437 | 8071
510 | 9416
583 | 10.8k
umbral epoch
im sitting at like 120k hp......feels so low in comparison with other tanks
sick sentinel
so its a lot more RNG now
ember arrow
max hp is irrelevant
sick sentinel
but even the worst cards gives better stats than preb best
umbral epoch
@ember arrow i wouldnt say irrelevant, yeah it's not the top thing to look at, but for me at least, right now alot of healers are still undergerared, and a bigger hp pool helps out
umbral epoch
that's true....i guess it's just a mind trick then
ember arrow
warrior doesnt have high max hp, since we have alot of ehp
highest hp tanks is dh>dk>bear
if u want that
umbral epoch
dh is more than druid? damn didnt know that
tought it was druid > dk > dh, but alright
ember arrow
bearform stamina bonus got nerfed in bfa
umbral epoch
ah thats probably why then
ember arrow
25% now iirc
uneven violet
@ember arrow how often does the dmd trinekt proc?
ember arrow
it is active all the time
it rotates between the 8 values every 20 sec
when the rotation happens, the heal happens together with stamina change
uneven violet
ah ok
violet coral
I feel like Iโve seen more tanks using fathoms but I guess that could be because itโs m0
uneven violet
so healing effect triggering every 20sec
ember arrow
yea
uneven violet
thx
slender nova
Levelling as prot all I want to do is spam dungeons but I'm enjoying the quests so much
worried ill hit 120 before I've finished the quests
and when I get 120 what's the point of the quests lol
severe steeple
don't do dung before 120 lawl
and then spamm them right when you hit 120 for gear
resume questing around 320ilvl
slender nova
Kk, sounds good. I should be 320 before weekend
raven kernel
Dungeons are bad for levelling
clever inlet
Not the right section, but if I got a 120 330 ilvl on Horde and then a newly leveled 120 on Alliance, if I faction change to Horde. Will I have to do all quests again even if I done them on Horde already?
clever inlet
Good.
umbral epoch
you'll still need the rep from champs of azeroth
thats the biggest PITA for alts atm imo
oblique mist
is darkmoon blockades worth after the buff?
junior igloo
Yes, it's BiS
oblique mist
thanks
junior igloo
I'd say no actually, but haven't looked too much into it.
There aren't any good tanking trinkets in Uldir
merry cave
But you can get an absorb shield for 20k!!!!!
fallow wyvern
What do you thing about boe set on prot ?
merry cave
The shield and boots?
fallow wyvern
Yes
merry cave
It's amazing pre-raid but not worth the 1 mil or more the set goes for on my server
fallow wyvern
Because i see the boots to AH at 430k and idk what to do xd
slender nova
I wouldn't say the set is worth 1 mill
merry cave
I wouldn't for that much either
slender nova
I wouldn't pay more than 200k for an item, even that is a lot of gold for an upgrade that will be vendored/scrapped in 1 months time
uncut fractal
is blockades now worth 35k?
slender nova
what's a blockade? a shield?
nvm trinket
just googled
holy shit that is nice, buying one
amber siren
@uncut fractal yes
simple flicker
is it good to stack "Callous Reprisal" the revenge artifact
simple flicker
so its bad?
uncut fractal
Guys what trinket do I change for the 355 blockades?
The other 350 trinket is a 225 strength with 944 mastery on use
20 strength or 40 haste? which ones better
severe steeple
junior igloo
1k mastery on use is defensively a lot better than purely offensive proc
limpid jackal
jeeze - starting warrior tanking and 1-5, shift 1-5, QERF and shift QERF aren't enough buttons
severe steeple
i also got t and g
limpid jackal
๐ข both used for social
limpid jackal
my hands are too bear like for those buttons
(lies: I just don't want to give up sitting and unsheating)
gloomy depot
lol. Move those to somewhere right of the keyboard
junior igloo
I use F-keys, have them right above numbers on my keyboard
limpid jackal
xD
gloomy depot
I mean, you dont need unsheath and sit on the keys next to your left arm, move them to stuff like , or . or ยจ or somewhere right on the keyboard where your bound to have something free
limpid jackal
yeah will do
severe steeple
@simple flicker there are better APs than that
limpid jackal
will have to get used to those keys
simple flicker
im just saying if there are the only option or shield with mastery
gloomy depot
for me x and c are some of the best keys cause they are just next to your thumb, but then again, my hands are fairly small so dont have trouble reaching all those
thorny laurel
How is the darkmoon deck after the buff?
keen fog
hey guys have you seens this ? ( sorry if repost )
Items
Fixed an issue where Darkmoon Deck: Blockades was providing far less Stamina and Health than intended.
keen fog
oh thanks i didnt got the @ everyone
keen fog
sorry for repost then
twin hazel
was a screenshot someone posted so it was probly in a mod chat then
or some other discord
white storm
Wonder if they will fix the teebu scorching sword? The effect is only 1% of damage but even worse it has no stats at all not even str or stamina
smoky wave
Teebu's is in as a transmog item as much as anything I reckon. I'd be surprised if the bothered sadly
white storm
Aww ๐ฆ
uneven violet
blockades jumped from 65k to 128k today ^^
slender nova
Can you wear two?
uneven violet
two different dmd seems possible or?
fluid jacinth
Hi I was wondering if there was any weak auras for general tanking? I've seen the pins & got the paintracker
bronze forge
Hey guys, Can anyone recommend me a Add On That shows threat, So i can see what mobs not attacking me. Somethign very basic, Download and forget kind of thing xD
gloomy depot
Setup enemy health bars to show different color when you dont have threat
twin hazel
paintracker + shield block/bolsrter tracker
bronze forge
i'll take a look thx all
copper saddle
@bronze forge have a look on you tube at a guy called luxthos he seems to have a good set up for all specs with links to his strings
Sorry I ment @fluid jacinth
fluid jacinth
will do!
oak heart
How is dmc after the buff?
jovial reef
^
junior igloo
BiS
potent radish
seriously? lol
spice relic
can i use both blockades and fathoms at the same time?
junior igloo
You can
twin hazel
was fathoms actually good for us tho
frigid bobcat
So tanked all the dungeons i did leveling and plenty of heroics, a couple of mythics....Do warrior tanks just feel super weak right now or am i just a moron lol?
fluid jacinth
does anyone have a quick list of azerite traits to prioritize?
untold adder
docc - maybe you are spending your rage and prioritizing your mitigation wrong?
twin hazel
were in a decent spot
untold adder
we dont feel weak imo ..
twin hazel
yeh im doing things just fine but some arent
frigid bobcat
well it feels like even with shield block and ignore pain up at the same time it just feels like it does nothing
frigid sierra
How often are you guys using ignore pain, im hardly using it in fights and it seems okay not sure if I should using it more
untold adder
dont have them up at the same timo tho..
@frigid sierra mostly using it if im about to cap on rage.
frigid sierra
Alright whats when im using it good
Was worried I should be keeping lots of uptime
tranquil garden
well, I'd say warriors have the best passive defenses, i.e. hitting no dr and getting hit.
depending on how they do shields, prot may scale ridiculously.
twin hazel
i usually use IP when i have Avatar up
twin hazel
rotate between TC and IP as needed
frigid bobcat
so what should i focus on more or less? im enjoying tanking i just feel like a burden to the healers lol
untold adder
just dont cap your IP
twin hazel
and revenge
when you dont need IP
thats how this expansion is
healers actually have to heal
tanks actually have to tank
untold adder
yes i love it.
twin hazel
once you realize that you start to feel like youre doing alright
frigid sierra
Yeah ive been trying to get over that mental block, healers are going oom I havent seen that in ages
twin hazel
its been said that maintenance is about an hour today right?
tranquil garden
Ive tanked since wotlk, and honestly, no tank feels good anymore. I only liked tanking in legion on my bdk with the shoulders (leggos). It sucks cause now I feel guilty if I'm not tanking, cause my group of friends, dont tank.. Warrior is what I'm doing right now, and I feel solid. Just not having fun. And woah oom? only healer i see go oom is Resto Drood
errant blade
prot is terrible so ive gone back to druid lol
twin hazel
unless they are doing somethign wrong
untold adder
keep trolling to a minimum .
valid gorge
and I only have a 325 1H too
twin hazel
only healer ive seen go oom was a mistweaver because he wawsnt doin it right
and a priest because we were locked in combat the whole dungeon
valid gorge
I cleared all mythics with me tanking and a disc priest healing and I didn't really have any issues
frigid bobcat
my shield is also only a 300, does that make a huge difference? (sorry only ever tanked on DH and DK)
valid gorge
except the first boss trash in underrot, and the berserkers in king's rest
those wrecked me
twin hazel
300 has served me well so far
valid gorge
shield is huge tbh
twin hazel
but yes our shield is one of our most important pieces
valid gorge
the difference in going from 294 shield to 340 was gigantic
tranquil garden
so higher ilvl= big difference
frigid bobcat
ok i didnt know if it was more or less just a "piece of gear"
twin hazel
which is why were not used to it being such a big deal
valid gorge
ye it's kinda new that it's such a big deal
twin hazel
block rating on it goes up fast per ilvl
valid gorge
but it really makes a big difference
frigid bobcat
ok cool thanks guys
valid gorge
that must've been a pretty huge change lol
vocal nimbus
im clearing mythic at 290 with a 270 shield
fringe marten
The berserkers in kings rest themselves aren't the problem, it's the DoT they stack...which; like the DoT the ticks in Underrot stack, can be cured with Stoneform. DWARF MASTER RACE.
vocal nimbus
OOF
valid gorge
well it's the only thing stopping us from being trash? :D
severe steeple
so probably we need to talk when we all have at least 350 shields about if warr is good or not
fringe marten
yup
vocal nimbus
you can outrange that bleed
valid gorge
only way to deal with those was to kite
vocal nimbus
just kite
fringe marten
^^^^
valid gorge
better a dps dieing then me getting 3 stacks lel
untold adder
whats 1 more death ?
sick sentinel
:D
fringe marten
it just means you CC or skip them.
valid gorge
can't really skip all of em there's quite a lot
fringe marten
the 2 pull with the heroic berserkers is meh on mythic atm, so even in a tough M+ if you CC one, you're good
fringe marten
yeah but some are weaker non elites/etc
valid gorge
btw
ember arrow
dk can MC the beastmasters
fringe marten
the 2 before the last bridge/boss area after the room full of 'em...are the nasty ones.
ember arrow
they do same dmg as a dps
vocal nimbus
Thoughts on Jes' howl?
valid gorge
can someone explain me the trashpack with the mask before underrot first boss
untold adder
jes' howl is nice
valid gorge
i got so annihilated on that
fringe marten
Yeah the archers (beastmasters?) Do bonkers damage.
vocal nimbus
the on use gives me 8% vers
untold adder
banorac - you just have to die on that path
valid gorge
i figured
untold adder
all trash untill first boss
ember arrow
u can dispel his enrage
valid gorge
w didn't have soothe either
untold adder
just accept immenint death
fringe marten
the room with the statues that come to life...is cake, except that archer and her raptor are nasty as hell.
ember arrow
MC archer