it sucks :O
#protection
uncut juniper
last hull
one tclap will keep thme till theyre dead
umbral epoch
dont they leave the debuff on death?
amber siren
They mentioned in a Q&A that the weapons are all one model, not separate and they had to jerry-rig the system to allow holy paladins to use their 2 handed hammers with a 1h/shield and for druids as well
uncut juniper
did they say they'd be working on it in the future or just... leave it like that?
untold adder
umbral epoch
done and dusted yeah
uncut juniper
so sad..
jade tartan
Guys, what did you get from today's emissary?
umbral epoch
what is it today? i've read somewhere its a weapon from honorbound, is that correct?
tight tree
oh i need a weapon
merry cave
I'm not sure I'm on oceanic servers living in Europe for a few months so my days in wow sense are completely gone with timezones lol
tight tree
tortollans was yesterday yes
old zephyr
Wait tortollans items change every days ?
whole haven
hows yall feeling prot rn
im having some trouble w AOE threat
on my little wiener heroic dungeon spam for fury gear
having more trouble w trash than w the bosses
bronze path
same, use heroic throw and avatar for bigger dmg, maybe ask them to give you a second for a couple tclaps
severe steeple
@whole haven what ilvl/content are you talking about?
severe steeple
it gets easier
tawny panther
Does brace for impact stack
quartz ridge
yes but stakcs run out individually
severe steeple
do ppl search wowprogress for guild recruitment? was it worth making a profile and such?
quartz ridge
the trash before first boss has blood bolts too
the worms kinda hurt too but at least its regular attacks
sick sentinel
Smh
quartz ridge
yea
but what about the packs that do war cry and then spam 100% extra haste blood bolts
quartz ridge
ah good point
sick sentinel
Murder casters, interrupt war cry, cycle stuns extra interrupts worked for me. Aoe cleave down.
Use cc prior to pull of need be.
If^
old zephyr
Pull, murder one, die, retry.
Worked for me lol
compact mirage
Is there a cap on the monster difficulty scale in WQs? Like if I have ilvl 320 WQ mobs will scale to ilvl 320. Is that capped at 330 or no?
digital chasm
Capped at 340 ilvl
hard dirge
what the fuck is up with shadow of zul? is there a trick to him?
next ermine
There's a few tricks if I recall
modern trout
Idk how people see having thirst issues when you’re capable of up to 25k aoe depending on gear and size of the pull
old zephyr
If you hit that TC First and the dps don't focus à différent add each then It's fine.
If they hit them while you are in your DC gcd ans décide to each focus à different one you gonna have trouble.
Yes you dwarf them on the meter, but on their own trash they are above you and causing trouble
rain dune
How's the engineering helm for us? I know it's capped at 340 but is the shield trait worth it compared to say thunder clap or the armor on shield slam trairs?
old zephyr
Aparentlly they do not compete with the best traits.
The belt enchantement might bring something other professions can not bring when the ilvl of the craft is 'ont relevant anymore (after uldir Maybe)
rain dune
The ten minute cooldown shield?
:[ But that's a bummer to hear about the goggles. I should've known
old zephyr
The Shield might not be à lot, but It's something
But once you hit 370 ilvl crafted gear bring nothing so that little something is something.
Besides on warrior, the Damage réduction king, the absorb is more usefull.
jade tartan
Sorry to ask again guys but.. no one got a Shield as the reward from today's emissary ?
old zephyr
BL does have à 10 min CD as well and It's far from useless
jade tartan
I have 2 ret palies friends which got a Shield as their reward, and me as a Prot War is showing a 2h @ the app. Can anyone confirm? :\
jade tartan
Sheesh.. I badly need a Shield.. @ 333 ilvl atm, with a 310 shield still /cry
hard dirge
i've got 700 gold emissary
gilded jasper
Hello! I have a quick question regarding stat weights. I am currently running Sims and checking sites like Noxxic, Icy eins, and Ask.Mrrobot. What I have noticed is that Icyviens and Noxxic both say that haste is our best stat, I understand why this is. However when running endless Sims and looking at Ask.Mrrobot it seems that Verst/Mastery have the most benefit. Anyone have any insight on how or what they are using or going off of?
Thank you!
final mist
Sims aren't working for us, not because we haven't made an APL but because the backend coding isn't up to date for Prot.
Avoid Noxxic and AMR, both are incredibly inaccurate often, no matter what they tell you.
old zephyr
Haste affect anger management, and at some break points deafening crash.
Sims probably don't take that into account
final mist
Sims are also only useful for DPS, so anyone telling you to sim for survival stats is incorrect right off the bat.
Sims don't take anything into account because they aren't working.
old zephyr
Fair enough lol
gilded jasper
So you stand by haste being the best stat for us?
merry cave
It's the general consensus
umbral epoch
does anyone have a list of all the azerite traits running around?
gilded jasper
Thank you Sal and 4x for the prompt responses.
final mist
Follow the Icy Veins guide and whatever else we do here, and you'll be fine.
tight tree
So emissary get shield? Bummer. I have shield, need a 1-hander. Will it change if i use arms/fury loot spec? I rather have good offspec weap than another 340 shield.
blazing dirge
Anyone else feel bad about wearing an under ilvl piece just for deafening crash? lol
tight tree
Wear highest ilvl imo
blissful imp
Y'all got any tips for Shadow of Zul before Dazar? I'm struggling to have enough rage to maintain IP. We just roll cooldowns and hope DPS kill him before running out? Scared I won't be able to get past him in Mythic+
blazing dirge
over deafening? it's stupid OP
opaque pagoda
final mist
You want to have at least one Deafening Crash. It's talked about in the IV guide, IIRC.
slender nova
IS it still best to level as fury/arms and then switch to prot at 120?
blazing dirge
It is Sal. Just sad using a 325 still when I have 2 340s lol
smoky wave
@slender nova level how you want. I levelled prot and found I could keep up with my wife's damage (enh shaman) easy enough as I could pull more. Might be slower solo but with the aoe you can put out it's not so bad
tight tree
I started as Fury, aoe 10 mobs at once with victory rush. When my artifact expired, i swapped to prot, it is harder to survive later in the leveling. As prot i continued to pull 10 mobs and aoe them down with victory rush 😉
bright crane
unless you want to spam dungeons as prot to level, I found leveling fury was the most productive
smoky wave
I just run about and AOE everything as prot
but I guess I'd do similar as arms or fury I guess
lavish trout
leveling prot is fun esp if you got a pocket dmg dealer
smoky wave
will second that!
lavish trout
I'd rather level as prot so I don't have gear twice
ember arrow
what do you mean?
crystal night
Fury and prot both use haste mastery
lavish trout
well you are gonna take items rto gear a stronger fury / arms and it's gonna require a different pawn string / itemization later to be an efffective tank
undone sun
they are
lavish trout
yeah but then you are gonna be sub optimal for farming levels nad you'll be losing dps vs prime exp targets
undone sun
🤔
ember arrow
crystal night
U wot mate
ember arrow
i dont understand what that meant
crystal night
Guys I'm here to express my concern for us prot boiz I really hope blizzard doesn't nerf thunder clap spec in 8.1
sick sentinel
Huh
smoky wave
They do what they do, no point worrying, just enjoy it. Get the glyph.
lavish trout
What?! Is thunderclap on the chopping block??
ember arrow
no it isnt
crystal night
Dude I hope not but in some of these AoE packs in like shrine of the storm I'm pulling upwards of 30k dps
sick sentinel
Only 30k? Lol
crystal night
I guess I am kinda over pulling just for the fuck of it
crystal night
Haha well I've done more than that before I just was saying that as a random example but yeah it's a lot!
Dude I'm very afraid haha
Hahah
Omegalul
ember arrow
yes
lavish trout
lol, I've had one pull this morning that gave me serious pause.
crystal night
"We can't have those warriors doing anything better than the other tanks. Show them where they belong " **nerfbat swings ***
crystal night
When I'm in these big AoE packs doing more damage than all of my DPs I can't help but feel like they are gonna want to nerf us
ember arrow
then you have bad dps
crystal night
Our T-clap spec at least
uneven mason
Its our primary strength for M+
Well Levko, not really, Prot is kind've insane for AE DPS
crystal night
Ahh ok. I will be sure then to let me DPs know that they need to GIT GUD
But man am I lovongnit
Loving it
uneven mason
Yeah its nice, I don't think its nerf worthy
crystal night
Ok cool ry for re assurance boiz
uneven mason
since its just in AEs and it requires us to ignore survivability a bit
crystal night
Cus I'm loving every second of it
uneven mason
Makes up for the fact that none of our survival tools directly do damage.
lavish trout
yeah that is rather annoying
crystal night
Spamming T-clap gives us a nice flow of rage though for IP and demo shout in-between those globals
I was making the fatal mistake of spending mg rage on revenge without free procs and ever since I stopped doing that I feel so much tankier
My *
uneven mason
Yeah, thats where you can really do exceptional DPS
Just alternate TC/Rev
make the DPS 😢
Also, your healer will 💢
lavish trout
I made that same mistake, I kept thinking i need to push a million buttons, Im finally ok with just 2-3 lol
crystal night
You guys going for vers weapon enchant it armor ?
uneven mason
haste?
crystal night
Ahh ok ok yes
uneven mason
I mean
crystal night
Didn't know there was a haste onr
uneven mason
I like vers
crystal night
Ty
uneven mason
but haste
pliant charm
Yeah right that's why I like to run devestator. Feels alot better when youre not concentrating on filling every global with devastate you can focus on other things
uneven mason
armor mebbie good too.
lavish trout
haste is king for pretty much every class - thanks blizz
uneven mason
devastator 🤢
amber siren
devastator isn't worth it at all
ember arrow
well, you are gimnping your rage gen
crystal night
Don't u trade out booming voice for that ?
uneven mason
Chickennugg if you're casting Devastate more than once every 10 GCDs
you're doing it wrong.
crystal night
Booming voice is dank especially with the deafening crash trait 1/3 all u need
pliant charm
I've ran booming voice but I like devestator better honestly.
uneven mason
BV is the largest source of rage
uneven mason
Devastator is only marginally better than just not pressing devastate, since the SnB it provides are more likely than not ot be clipped by a SnB proc off of another ability.
sick sentinel
Using armor enchant.
lavish trout
I am running 1223211 ><
pliant charm
I might give booming another try though. That 15 percent damage is a lot considering how many thunderclaps we get. And you're right maybe I should just consider using devestate less
lavish trout
BV is really nice with Morale Killer
sick sentinel
I dont ever use devastate anymore.
lavish trout
For world stuff anyway I don't think it works in actual 5 mans
uneven mason
Aenoan everyone is running 1223211 who cares about protection 😛
lavish trout
if you don't care about protection you are in the wrong channel sir
uneven mason
Well, or they're a DH main
pliant charm
You get a lot more shield slam procs tho with devastator which is fun
grim prism
@pliant charm its not 7.0 anymore, dev is not a spammable filler
Also i'm not sure that's correct about more procs
uneven mason
Chickennugg you actually don't
Most of the SnB procs provided by devastator
are clipped by ones that are provided by Rev/TC anyway
grim prism
Also, even if it procs off your autos, you cant press dev to generate a proc manually
uneven mason
IE _ you're mid GCD that is triggering a SnB, and get a SNB from Devastator - you didn't "gain" any.
All you're doing is creating dead air to spend rage on IP (which you probably don't have without BV anyway)
lavish trout
hmm my ui keeps bugging out, i can't see enemy nameplates
uneven mason
the ONLY use Devastator had was a miniscule DPS increase while using the Lego gloves (which was a DPS loss as soon as you had 2 regular targets)
what namebar addon are you using?
grim prism
The main perks of devastator in its heyday were the facts that a) not all abilities could proc a slam, so fishing for procs with dev was ideal in ST, and b) it could proc the gloves off your autoattack so you wouldnt have to use it rotationally
Neither of which are true anymore
pliant charm
Hmmm. I'm gonna try booming voice again when I get home but just not use devastate much on its own...I guess the reason why I thought devastate was good was because of how shitty it felt using it while specced into it.
uneven mason
Yeah, if you're pressing devastate that much, something is wrong heh.
grim prism
You shouldnt be pressing it that often anymore
uneven mason
I think I've back to back pressed devastate less than a dozen times
since the Xpac launched
grim prism
Maybe once every five keys
smoky wave
I had to push it twice in a row last night. Still a bit baffled by that
uneven mason
^^
grim prism
Yeah, back-to-back devs are exceedingly rare these days
uneven mason
Yeah I was like "WHARS MY FREE REVENGE B***CH"
grim prism
To the point that I actually noticed it last night and thought it was odd lol
uneven mason
TFW you have 12 mobs in a pull and they all decide to cast at once feelsbadman
pliant charm
Spec feels really good though besides ignore pain being on the gcd for no reason
smoky wave
...and shockwave on cooldown
grim prism
S H O C K W A V E A N D R U N A W A Y
uneven mason
I've become rather good at Leaping out of LOS
Like "Shockwave on CD, BACK TO THE ROCK!!!"
smoky wave
I like intimidating shout->TC, I've not got into trouble doing that...yet.
uneven mason
Intimidating shout is a solid AE interrupt, although past 5 targets its a bit unreliable
WTB Vanilla Intimidating
FEAR BOMB
Charge - Intimidating LOL at the one dude who cowered
grim prism
Take that shit off your bars for M+ though
uneven mason
Nah, as long as you're not pugging and have DPS who listen
you can control the pulls
grim prism
You'll chainpull and wipe nine times for every time a fearbomb actually saves you lol
uneven mason
the fear breaks so fast
I've never had a mob get out of my TC range before it breaks
ALthough, now that I've said that.
grim prism
Lol
smoky wave
Oh I'll do it if I have to. It's a shame the shockwave talent is that slight bit better for the most part. IS would be really nice in the toolkit for it
lavish trout
yeah tbh I've notice I don't even have devistator on my bars lol
frigid creek
Could you guys explain how the rotation for the TC spec would go?
uneven mason
Menace should have been a CD reduction not a debuff extention
lavish trout
i usually just auto attack waiting for free procs and spam TC
slender nova
Since you guys levelled as prot, did you guys stick to questing, or dungeons also? Did you guys switch to dungeons etc straight away at 120, or once you had completed every region?
frigid creek
like go in shout, TC, free procs, auto attack, TC?
lavish trout
basically
frigid creek
ok
lavish trout
I spam shield block a bit more than I probably should though
uneven mason
Yeah
frigid creek
should I SB when not procced?
uneven mason
snag the WAs that are in the pins
makes a world of difference for monitoring your defensives
SB when what isn't proceed
violet lion
how is prot this xpac?
violet lion
nice to hear
uneven mason
@frigid creek What proc would you need to wait on for SB?
you SB when you're getting punched in the face
don't SB when you're not getting punched in the face
grim prism
I needed to move my bars around to break the habit of using SB as an uptime buff
uneven mason
Yeah
grim prism
When I took a break, we were all still running HR
uneven mason
My biggest blooper is hitting SB during Last stand
the WA went miles in breaking that habit
since i turned it BIG AND RED
frigid creek
yeah sorry I was thikning of SS and how it reset its cd sometimes, completly had a blonde moment
yeah I m getting those WA they look nice
grim prism
You cast shield slam as a first priority in like 90% of situations
sick sentinel
yeah I still F up and waste a SB in LS sometimes.
grim prism
Forget whether or not it is glowy
sick sentinel
And I use LS all the time for big packs.
grim prism
I really like last stand as a rotational defensive, although "last stand" isnt really the right flavor for something I cast in the first couple GCDs of a pull 
uneven mason
I use Rally + SB in the early parts of a pull, saves Last stand in case the healer has a brain fart and thinks we're in legion again.
Only time I've died was when the paladin I normally ran dungeons with in Legion was like "Sorry, still adjusting to you actually losing HP"
grim prism
I feel like rallying cry is going to be important in M+ with all the party damage these fights have
sick sentinel
mhm.
uneven mason
Even PUG Healers have had zero issues keeping me alive, ❤ me some disc priest or resto druid
high mitigation + HOTS or absorbs..mmm mmm good.
grim prism
Disc 🤢
jade tartan
Yea, I'm also having some trouble with Discs tbh
grim prism
Instead of needing to top up health, you take 20 seconds for them to drink after every pull
jade tartan
wonder if they're bad tho
carmine cypress
sorry guys, a noob here, but can we block magic damage except using shield reflect?
grim prism
They are. Big dick heals but very mana-unstable
lavish trout
Disc is really good atm, but it's better once more gear starts flowing
grim prism
@carmine cypress nope, ignore pain will absorb some but thats it
uneven mason
the primary disc in my guild isn't having much trouble, but they do require some forethought.
and you can't do bigger pulls
jade tartan
Its like, I have TONS of periods that I'm not receiving any heal
if it wasnt for our mitigation
carmine cypress
thank @grim prism !
grim prism
Disc just wasnt made to solo-heal PvE
jade tartan
this is @ mythics ofc
exactly, thats what I feel like
its pretty good as a Supp and even as a damage dealer
its really putting out decent numbers
but its hard to trust somehow
lavish trout
I disagree esp as a disc priest main since vanilla 😛
jade tartan
as I said, I dont really understand them fully
grim prism
Great pvp healer, great raid heal with innerv support
uneven mason
I guess I got some good ones.
jade tartan
Its just how I feel as the tank
pliant charm
Have you guys been stacking haste? The gcd reduction is very noticeable makes the spec play smooth asfuck
grim prism
I'll be they struggle to scale in M+ when mana requirements get tighter
uneven mason
I've been stacking whatever the ilvl gods have blessed me with.
jade tartan
because I've even heard ppl running 2 discs in beta M+
grim prism
Ive been stacking ilvl because ive been gearing for like 16 man-hours
pliant charm
I've been blessed with all haste mastery gear so far
grim prism
Reee
lavish trout
The whole reason a lot of classes got nerfed in beta was because of massive trait stacking for example, those nerfs aren't gonna reflect well once raids go live
grim prism
I have 3% haste right now
old zephyr
My highest stat is crit RIP
pliant charm
I'm at like 16 percent
grim prism
I can powernap in the time it takes my globals to roll over
Which is actually more efficient for grinding
Since i wont require sleep
lavish trout
19% haste atm lol
pliant charm
Haste feels great with the spec
tall parcel
does anyone have any resources on optimal dungeon routes? I'm going to swap from arms to prot tonight and don't want to be lost
uneven mason
the wowhead guides have routes for the most part
jade tartan
any specific one?
tall parcel
wowhead? okay cool thanks
grim prism
Not really. Watch youtubes of gud people tanking them
tall parcel
I was just going to random q and hope for the best haha
lavish trout
I've been kinda winging it but I should learn routes as well
tall parcel
i just hit 305 this morning
grim prism
Sunnier made another at-a-glance guide to the five-mans
And wowhead has more detailed info
No actual pullroutes though
tall parcel
that should be good. just an idea of the layout would help out a lot
uneven mason
The logic for planning routs in BFA dungeons is as follows.
grim prism
Rule of thumb, every two-pack that looks skippable isn't actually skippable so just pull one side and don't get cute
tall parcel
ah okay cool
uneven mason
"DO you have hunter?" If No (Avoid as much as possible); If Yes (Pull it before they do, so the healers doesn't die);
lavish trout
my logic for pull paths if its red, its dead. lol
cosmic cargo
applies to DHs as well
grim prism
There is a LOT of extraneous trash
uneven mason
"LOLTHROWGLAIVE"
grim prism
Just go for the lighter side and dont try to skip any of it
Especially motherlode
Holy shit fuck motherlode
lavish trout
^ phuck that place
ember arrow
motherlide just pull them back
uneven mason
Freehold/Motherload forget it
ember arrow
dont charge in
uneven mason
pull it all
tall parcel
i tried tanking in legion and it pissed me off when dps would bitch at me for pulling one pack that wasnt necessary
cosmic cargo
motherlode with pugs 🙂 🔫
tall parcel
in heroics...
cosmic cargo
they nerfed gun emote damnit
uneven mason
Also, Waycrest manor
the mobs don't have Zaxis limitaitons on aggro range
pull the balcony
sick sentinel
I can’t imagine some of these on teeming
ember arrow
pull back and kite
sick sentinel
How in the world can they fit more mobs into motherlode?
lavish trout
I can't imagine some of these dungeons on explosive/orbs
ember arrow
motherlode has tons of LOS opportinities
uneven mason
Who's looking forward to the temple of Sethraliss
ember arrow
at the start, where most trashpacks are stacked
uneven mason
on Teeming and FOrtified
ember arrow
i love all dungeons
ember arrow
i adore the boss mechanics
uneven mason
Lyceum #2
ember arrow
the adds that arent guardians are basically minions
sick sentinel
I’ll have to look for that next time @ember arrow I’ve only done it once so it was more PTSD and survive than think about optimization
uneven mason
Trying to explain to the DH how to leap across the room so I can pass it to him
ember arrow
doubt theyll proc bolster
pliant charm
I found out you can't heroic leap over the bombs in motherload
lavish trout
I was going to try that
ember arrow
my bdk cant be slowed below 70% so i can just run with the orbat 100% if i activate deaths advance
👌
pliant charm
Well. Don't try. I've done the science
ember arrow
which of the 3535 bombs?
pliant charm
All
lavish trout
Can you not skip the silithus parts? Leveling an alt atm.
uneven mason
Your blood DK can still be caught b ythe Orb Guardians and thus have the ball snatched while you're moving at 70% 😛
pliant charm
Saurfangs in jail bruh
ember arrow
@uneven mason its a bad idea, since u must aggro ,and pull adds
grim prism
Orb Guardians
ember arrow
but its funny u run with it, while others are slowed 90%
u canjust throw it, or a mage double blinks
grim prism
Lets not pretend Pad Palace isnt the most fun youve had in a dungeon in the past two expacs
ember arrow
what?
uneven mason
Yeah, I just grab - intercept - leap click and then pickup the adds, repeat for other side heh
hardy verge
does prot benefit a lot from a good sword?
final mist
Yes.
You want a good weapon along with a good shield.
Good weapon is less important than, ex. Good shield / trinkets / azerite traits
sick sentinel
@final mist Is there an addon, which shows the proper Block-Reduction-Amount
If you were gonna buy one boe to jump start your warrior, which one would you snag?
final mist
Shield.
Becks, not that I know of, ElvUI / Deja's screw them up.
IIRC the base character sheet shows it fine though.
sick sentinel
Sporting the Shield/Feet set btw. Double Iron Fortress and Deafening Crash on Azerite
Feels so unkillable
Before that: Awful
signal plover
Double Brace for Impact tho...
sick sentinel
dps whore. sry for ruining our reputation 😉
jade tartan
no Deaf C? ;o
sick sentinel
Corrected 😉
jade tartan
😄
sick sentinel
Overall Heals from last night though... #1 by far Victory Rush followed by Vampiric Speed Azerite Trait
kind prairie
Is there a reason BfI is favored over iron fortress??
merry cave
Those saying before the 2h axe from WQ cache, was that EU servers
lament peak
sick sentinel
I still feel Iron Fortress to be better. Need 2 Shield Slams per 6s to make BfI better
merry cave
Oceanic (probably us) popped more fucking azzerite armour 😦
definately needed azerite armour
sick sentinel
Dunno if this checks out in Dungeons. In raids certainly
safe perch
darkmoon tanking trinket at 50k, worth it? i think its cheap xd
junior ivy
how can i see how many different island expeditions ive done so far?
dunno how close i am to 5
kind prairie
Grats!
grim prism
@safe perch no
regal island
saw them like 150k last few days
grim prism
As the name suggests, it is indeed impressive
But yeah
Unless you are goldcapped or rocking a sub-280 green, i would just wait another two weeks
safe perch
ill wait then, it might drop
uneven mason
probably will
regal island
i bought a 310 blue crafted one off that ah for like 10k
uneven mason
I got a 335 from heroic +++
regal island
but shield ilvl is huge for survival. I went from a 300 upto a 330 and it was a huge difference
uneven mason
FOR FREE
lavish trout
i can't win a piece of gear to save my life
uneven mason
(actually, I'd rather have paid 20k than deal with the hunter I had in that group)
regal island
well except for in kings rest... those berserker guardians and there damn stacking bleed dot.
thing was hitting me for like 66k every 2 sec.
uneven mason
I ask the hunter to make sure they use MD - thinks its permission to pull every god damn mob in sight in Freehold.
regal island
Only 2 i'd have issues with are the trash in kings rest and sethic halls the guardians on the last boss.
uneven mason
So I spent the dungeon taunting them about DPS +++ "If you're going to pull can you at least try and out DPS the tank?!"
uneven mason
Avatar + BV
pliant charm
Really hope riot decides to take ignore pain off the gcd soon
uneven mason
🤔 wat
ember arrow
i dont think riot will be doing much of anything in wow
uneven mason
- If you're having trouble with IP on the GCD, try a Guardian Druid for a week, you'll feel a lot better about IP afterwords. 2. Riot?
signal plover
The main casualty of IP on the GCD is my poor mouse side button for it
uneven mason
indeed
pliant charm
I mean it can bee on the gcd but it needs to absorb more then. With how often we press it that's a lot of time gcd locked
final mist
You should be GCD locked anyways
uneven mason
"How often we press it"
safe perch
do WQ have shields prizes in their loot pool?
jade tartan
for Palas it seems @safe perch
at least I got a 2h
:'|
according to my app, since I'm not home yet
uneven mason
Yeah, the gearing from WQ thus far has been very uh, crap
jade tartan
oh, I was talkin about the emissary of today
final mist
Gearing from WQ was class-based in Legion too
safe perch
D.
uneven mason
"Oh, another azerite shoulders...how thoughtful, that'll go with the other 15 of them"
final mist
It's not spec-based
pliant charm
Yes but if you gcd lock yourself for a shield that pops instantly that's garbo
uneven mason
We know
final mist
Chicken, even if IP wasn't on the GCD, you'd still be GCD locked is my point
You should never be not hitting buttons to hit IP when you need it
near depot
hey guys was thinking about trying out some prot. any insight on how its doing this xpac before i get into guides?
final mist
The way warriors work, we are preventative - we don't handle damage reactively. We prevent it upfront.
Also no, sims don't work.
indigo bobcat
I know 😂
final mist
You should be preparing for the damage that's coming in and weaving IP into the GCD when you know damage is coming.
Not waiting for the damage and hitting IP, because then you're missing out not SS resets, and thus Rage and cooldown reduction from said Rage for your other abilities.
junior ivy
what is best addon for world quest group finding?
undone sun
World Quest List imo
junior ivy
im using world quest list, and itsa okay
but you gotta type in the number
and ive heard theres other addons that dont make you
safe perch
mine let me type quest id, and then you auto invite and auto queue just by clicking on the group finder list
undone sun
i did in legion, but i'm not a fan of it anymore
worn tulip
Would y'all recommend Callous Reprisal or Bloodsport?
timid jay
Idk if WQL has the button to change from zandalar to kul'tiras
But thats the biggest feature for me
undone sun
nah it doesn't
uneven mason
Oh for group finding - basic UI seems to work just dandy.
junior ivy
i guess ill stick to WQL
it works okay for me
i want an addon for azerite traits though 😦
so i wont have to google which traits are best every time i get a new piec eof gear
regal island
I just go for highest block/defensives, staying alive is the bigger issue atm
kind prairie
Def miss bracers.
junior ivy
thats.. kinda smart kaldrenborn
kind prairie
For right now I just equip different ones to try them anyways. Might as well since I'm replacing gear multiple times a day.
Since it's all gonna get replaced
regal island
yeah i did that with blues
sick sentinel
fury? bleh why not arms
prisma crane
you have excellent handwriting
uneven mason
Must be female.
timid jay
If you think thats terrible, you ahvent seen my handwriting
junior ivy
hahah
prisma crane
if that's your fast handwriting... ugh, mine is shit
undone sun
same
tardy jolt
if thats terrible, then i dont even know how to write 1 letter
prisma crane
if i take my time i write very well, but let's be real, i never take my time
uneven mason
My handwriting made my parents think I was going to be a doctor.
undone sun
my handwriting hasn't improved since elementry school
uneven mason
it was so bad
junior ivy
literally when i was like 8 years old i had a teacher tell me "for a girl you should have way better hand writing"
uneven mason
^^^ What Thyme said
timid jay
I rarely use handwriting 🤔
tardy jolt
my handwriting has become worse since school
uneven mason
Not all of us were born in the 90s Cosmo
junior ivy
yeha it felt weird to write stuff out i remembered how rarely i actually write stuff on paper
uneven mason
some of us had to use pen and paper for our D&D
prisma crane
yea, some were born in the 80s....
grim prism
-1 for not using napkins first of all
timid jay
monkaS
safe perch
if thats terrible, i never passed kindergarden
prisma crane
i have a notebook by my computer, i use it for notes fairly often, if i remember i'll post a picture of my ABT gear list
junior ivy
it's a good idea. i bet i could replace a lot of stupid addons with notes haha
soft bridge
Has anyone used the Engineering helm? The Azerite trait Relational Normalization Gizmo seems pretty neat.
junior ivy
i am back up t o 109 addons btw
prisma crane
i prefer analog for some things, it's just nicer
grim prism
I have two different handwritings, one I use when other people need to read it, and one that looks more like a caveman tried to kill the page with a sharpened pair of chopsticks
prisma crane
yea i was wondering about the engineering traits, some seem pretty interesting, wondering if it's worth powerleveling engi
prisma crane
@grim prism yup
soft bridge
I made it last night but had to log before testing
timid jay
My cotank just made a pair
uneven mason
I have two handwritings, one that only I can understand, and the other where its like I just held the pen above the paper and let my tremors go to town.
timid jay
Was talking about how good the traits are
soft bridge
I know one of them can aggro packs hella far away
safe perch
fury and prot have haste at the top of stat priority right?
uneven mason
yes, arms too at some breakpoints I think
timid jay
Prot at least
regal island
hm think i'll have to actually get a WA for IP now that it's capped at 1.3
uneven mason
Prot you can generally rely on item level > whatever but all things equal haste will provide the best return on investment.
regal island
feels like i'm wasting rage on IP that i could have used revenge for
uneven mason
@regal island Marok's in the pin is solid
it has color changes to let you know when its "Safe to stack"
regal island
yeah i'll install it when i get home. Anyone know any addons to show shields on your HP bar all the time?
regal island
like i can see them with ui fine if i'm 1/2 health but when max health the HP shields dont really show for me.
makes playing with disc priests kinda meh
prisma crane
i hear holy is shit atm, this true? cuz idk if im doing things wrong or what, but sometimes no matter what i do i just slowly die
uneven mason
Holy isn't shit.
Like, all the healers are viable, some compliment our mitigation setup better than others tho...
uneven mason
It is
Holy is the best overall healer right now I think
they have like the 2 strongest O SHIT CDs
prisma crane
yea idk, maybe it's jsut practice, a lot of the dmg i take is avoidable, but also playing with 3 melee dps makes some rough
i need to play more to break my bad legion habits
bleak wyvern
bazinga
timid jay
Join me on the dark side Krotos
timid jay
Arms warrior
prisma crane
ahhhh, lol, i hear theyre pretty solid
i've always preferred Arms over Fury cuz of pvp
lucid ginkgo
Filthy arms
timid jay
Been doing some prot for dungeons
lucid ginkgo
Go work on your legs
timid jay
Every day is arms day
bleak wyvern
do you think sheldon cooper would be a mage or warrior tank
prisma crane
resto shaman
uneven mason
Krotos - legion habits, can confirm #1 reason people suck at Prot warriors
bleak wyvern
arms ez
uneven mason
"6000RPM + spammable IP = Stand in every stupid mechanic possible and not take damage"
bleak wyvern
just pwess button
prisma crane
well, that and the fact that people jsut dont know the dungeons yet, so group dmg taken is very high
junior ivy
i hate arms and its entirely superficial/class fantasy reasons. i love the idea of being a tiny little gnome with 2 enormous weapons attacking really fast
timid jay
You dont really need a rotation helper
junior ivy
being a little gnome with one enormous weapon just doesnt sound as fun
lucid ginkgo
Mash everything
Yeah but cosmo, that takes away the thinking part
The part everyone hates
lucid ginkgo
Troo
pliant charm
If you don't wanna think just play fury
bleak wyvern
furry for smash arms for smash with accuracy
lucid ginkgo
Fury is so much fun
junior ivy
^^
pliant charm
Fury does play very smoothly but it's actually too fast and gives me hand cramps
regal island
eh fury u can macro
prisma crane
i'm figuring out my opener and stuff for prot, but i still hate the fucking waiting around between CDs
uneven mason
What can you macro as Fury Helbrute??
junior ivy
and its a constant choice between do i wanna do damage or use defensives
uneven mason
its all on the GCD!
regal island
I usually BT, rb, rb sequence with a shift mod for RB
prisma crane
Avatar....wait.... DS... wait.... TC!!!...wait....
junior ivy
the waiting feels forever
uneven mason
Avatar - Charge - TC+SB - DS - TC - SS (For AE)
I mean, you could SS before the 2nd TC
but depends how much you wanna make them DPS cry
grim prism
Ive been really enjoying prot since i picked up an actual shield and not a questing green
uneven mason
Mmmhmm
grim prism
Also glad to see that on mythic the DPS actually do more damage than me
uneven mason
once you get a good enough shield that you're not fighting to survive through trash pulls
grim prism
I was worried we were heading for Nerfsburg for a second there
prisma crane
well i either SS Rev or IP between TCs, depending on the situation
neat harbor
boyos, need advice
prisma crane
my issue with trash is the dots
grim prism
Smash it
neat harbor
which rep should I prioritize? especially with the mission table, theres several paths available to me it seems
regal island
Think i might try switing back to devastator
prisma crane
the maggots in underrot, wtf is that shit
regal island
seems like i'm GCD capping a lot when i need to IP because of devastate
timid jay
7.5k with honorbound and then champions of azeroth imo
timid jay
Get that new mythic dungeon unlocked before reset
prisma crane
there's so many DoTs in these dungeons that just fuck me in the ass that i have to figure out these pulls
regal island
yeah tonight is hit 7.5k unlock and run that siege then m0 capped for first week
neat harbor
siege of boralus right?
pliant charm
@regal island the answer is to spec into booming but just don't use devastate
grim prism
@regal island if the choice is between IP or dev, just IP? I'm not sure how dev is causing your problem
timid jay
But who plays alliance in 2k18
neat harbor
ahh ok
timid jay
LUL
uneven mason
Krotos - Devastator is an assured way to rage starve yourself.
neat harbor
me D:
prisma crane
i do!
regal island
eh yeah, i cant give up bv,
timid jay
There are dozens on you!
prisma crane
if you think imma use anything that nerfs my dmg.... lol
pliant charm
Idk I've been playing with devastator too and I don't have rage issues though. I don't think it's THAT bad
regal island
WTB devastator on a different row...
modern trout
Anyone notice with thunderclap trait they’re doing double everyone’s dps on anything 3+ aoe
timid jay
BV is a lot stronger than devastator
grim prism
@modern trout yes
uneven mason
Whoops, that was Helbrute, scrolling was a bit fast
prisma crane
yep, BV all the way
regal island
BV is nice for the auto IP after
prisma crane
esp with warmode on, 15 sec DS
regal island
BV/IP = live
uneven mason
zg we've been saying that sincel ike, mid Beta
modern trout
I can’t believe I’m doing 20 k dps most pulls
fiery pendant
is the callous reprisal trait any good?
uneven mason
I know I was
modern trout
But tbf im in heroics and focusing on damage since not really afraid of dying
uneven mason
Even in M+
grim prism
Yeah its pretty nuts. Ive noticed in mythic instances I am consistently losing to all of the DPS most pulls, which is nice
uneven mason
bigger the pull - Bigger your damage
exotic spoke
So you’re saying.... we don’t need dps... just more prot warriors for aoe fights. And if you try hard enough everything is an aoe.
Therefore bring 4 prot warriors and a healer to mythics?
uneven mason
Bosses will take forever
prisma crane
makes me want to get 3x DC jsut for the extra dmg to TC
timid jay
ST dps is a bit lacking
uneven mason
but that sounds like a fantastic group
timid jay
But for Fort weeks, could be fun
modern trout
If IP was off global.. holy crap
regal island
Yeah what's weird is the bigger the pull seems like the easier it is in mythic
pliant charm
Our single target damage is poopybutt
uneven mason
Hey guys
timid jay
Too bad we cant use bracers for more 5man prot warrior dungeons
grim prism
Fuck fort weeks already
modern trout
Because cdr wouls jusr be nuts during avatar
exotic spoke
Oh I know, and it was kind of a joke.
uneven mason
4 Prot warriors + Resto Druid
grim prism
Trash is way harder than bosses in the most recent dungeons
grim prism
LOL
prisma crane
wish i could play with EU bois, then i coulda been in on that fun lol
regal island
like 3 mob pulls. sometimes sketchy, get 2 packs of 3 mob pulls and i come out fine HP bar barely moving
exotic spoke
Make them all Draenei and chain commanding shouts
uneven mason
the trick is finding 4 people playing Prot warriors
grim prism
How many people are here?
exotic spoke
Draenei for heal op op
grim prism
undone sun
huh
uneven mason
some of the folks here are DH spys
pliant charm
But I think that fact we do so much damage in avatar will add a lot value to protect warrs in mythic plus
modern trout
They could just take ignore pain and intervene off global and prot would be perfect
prisma crane
i just don't like having NOTHING for the nasty bleeds
regal island
yeah
prisma crane
and all the magic dots last WAY longer than 5 sec
uneven mason
Thats most tanks tho
regal island
kings rest bleeds = wtf i cant live
uneven mason
but yeah, bleeds and DOTs are the kryptonite
regal island
dots are at least mostly dispellable
little star
kings rest bleeds are avoidable
prisma crane
there has to be a way to counter beyond just "lol dont pull em"
regal island
from the champion dudes?
regal island
that 2 pull pack in kingsR they bled me out fast
prisma crane
but not all are avoidable
little star
the berserkers i believe do the swipe that puts the bleeds on
prisma crane
im not worried about ones you avoid, for obvious reasons
modern trout
Would raising the cap on IP be better for the spec ?
grim prism
Im just shitposting. You know me
uneven mason
💡 INCREDIBLE BALSAQ
regal island
yeah like mechanics is one thing this was their basic attack on me while tanking
prisma crane
you dont really hit IP enough in a short enough time for an increased IP cap to do much
grim prism
@modern trout probably not considering how quickly it gets eaten through regardless
hushed panther
whats the general feelz toward prot warr in mythic for damage intake/output so far? how's everyone feel?
regal island
after the pull and the healer spamming heals on me i just waive /bye and die
prisma crane
healers also need to learn to focus tanks again
grim prism
@hushed panther hilarious output, intake can be spiky if you drop mitigation
uneven mason
Yeah thats part of it
prisma crane
but it's rough when mongoloid dps just take teh D at every turn
modern trout
Only thing is I do feel kinda squishy on single target
timid jay
My shield is so bad it feels rough
regal island
yeah shield matters ALOT
hushed panther
@grim prism as in good?
grim prism
Yes
prisma crane
first M0 i did at 287, was Atal'Dazar, got the shield 💪
grim prism
Like expect to top charts in heroic pugs
modern trout
Rage generation feels super meh on single target, feel a bit starved
prisma crane
had 102k hp
modern trout
Aoe prot warr feels insane tho
regal island
I'm half tempted to try ravager/devastator just to try and rng dodge the bleeds.
exotic spoke
Did freehold or whatever at 305... average group was about that. we finished.
grim prism
Lol
old zephyr
39%
prisma crane
here, sec
undone sun
i just logged out...
exotic spoke
1535 armor for the one I have according to armory. Not sure if itnis correct
old zephyr
Yup
undone sun
wow
prisma crane
oh wait, fuckin armory doesnt show it... nice
undone sun
oh wait
uneven mason
should be some blacksmithing ones on the AH mang
undone sun
arms main ha
uneven mason
O
timid jay
I got a 345 2h axe
uneven mason
You no longer have my sympathy
timid jay
Hey, it was from todays emissary on EU
prisma crane
at least he didnt go DK
timid jay
340 base 2h axe
undone sun
exotic spoke
Yup, that looks about the same as. Mine. Looks like armory is correct
regal island
are there no shield enchants?
prisma crane
so we want the armor weapon enchant, i couldve sworn it said haste last time i looked
no, only weapon
cinder nova
I'm pretty sure you can add shield spikes
grim prism
Thorns build OP
exotic spoke
Throw that in with the four prot warrior + 1 resto Druid group for even more “aoe” damage?
cinder nova
Looks like they removed it. I remember there being mined info for spikes returning
but nope
uneven mason
That would've been interesting
grim prism
Those were for placing around your garrison to make it look Hordier iirc
uneven mason
I mean, we kinda have it with IF yea?
regal island
yeah odd there is literally no shield enchants/addons
uneven mason
Not too odd
regal island
compared to every other xpac since wow release? kinda odd
grim prism
One fewer thing for me to get yelled at for not having tbh
uneven mason
When was the last time we had offhand enchants?
regal island
barring legion artifact weapons, pretty sure every other xpac
uneven mason
Mists, WOD had none.
regal island
1 less enchant than say a DH is kinda lame though, espcially considering other tanks use 2h proc rates.
us and pally got the shaft.
cinder nova
@uneven mason We had them in Mists.
uneven mason
right Mists was the answer to my question, WoD had none
so its been 2 Xpacs hehe :d
exotic spoke
Hellbrute, aren’t you use to that yet?
prisma crane
never looked at it that way, so that's a bit shit
uneven mason
Its not really though.
regal island
eh it's not a game breaker but kinda meh.
should be able to add extra armor and spikes of death to shields imo
prisma crane
im not gonna lose sleep over it, it's jsut a weird thing is all, with all the balance they seek
we get extra armor by carrying a shield anyways
prisma crane
im an enchanter, i see it as losing money
uneven mason
We're balanced around not having 2 enchants.
regal island
^
uneven mason
Lets all taken this moment to remember the moral of the story about complaining what you don't have, rather than appreciating what you do have.
prisma crane
like, it goes to my core, so i can't play one
regal island
dk is nice because you can dps or tank with a single 2h weapon....
uneven mason
Remember when they got a 14% aura nerf in exchange
prisma crane
i hate that story line Ika, it's just an easy road to accepting everything
uneven mason
to fix mastery
It was so long ago
Now if they gave us shield spikes back, what would they take in return.
timid jay
It was yesterday
old zephyr
The Shield
uneven mason
Like it was yesterday
THey'd be like, "Platinum Shield Spikes can now be applied to shields, it causes blocked attacks to deal 100damage to attackers" - Critical block chance reduced by 50%
weary notch
make it blacksmith only. Give BSing something useful
uneven mason
TFW you needed a blacksmith to apply the smithed enchantment
pliant charm
Blacksmithing is a role playing profession only
exotic spoke
Used to be amazing when we could add extra sockets. Now I’m too invested tondrop it - though I probably should. Decent at making money, but mostly play the AH
exotic spoke
Yup, that’s true. Working on that now. Makes me feel bad since I could be selling all that ore, but gotta get there
uneven mason
I was smithing/jc during cataclysm for the BiS extra sockets and supergems....I brainfarted and dropped BSing on my original warrior rather than JCing
lost all of the unobtainable recipies
exotic spoke
Ouch... been a BS since vanilla. I’ve dropped my other profession so much I’ve lost count. Started back in vanilla to DE the shit when I get 50 or so epics and sell them. Then swap back to mining and level it up from 1 to max - back to arcane crystal farming
shrewd arrow
how much haste guys? there's a soft cap?
frosty holly
Seeing as how prot is a bit weak right now, what would be a good class to lvl and tank with for the inc M+?
old zephyr
Protwar
ember dagger
prot is fine and does great AoE dmg compared to other tanks
old zephyr
The First haste cap is probably "fit an extra TC into DS)
Somewhere around 30% I suppose
pliant charm
Spec just feels better with faster globals
Maybe that could be said with every spec but it's true
uneven mason
Prot is shield dependant
regal island
Anyone else been running dragon roar? i have like zero agro issues with it
uneven mason
Getting a good shield on Prot is night and day.
frosty holly
Feels like I'm taking dmg tons tho... and I have 335. My shield is the weakest part so far
uneven mason
Helbrute I run UF cause UF does more damage.
jade tartan
@uneven mason yep! That's why Im so mad Retri Palas are getting shields and I'm getting 2H on Emissary
.<
uneven mason
mmhmm
regal island
hm i skipped UF because it was during avatar only right?
regal island
ah dragon roar is literally every pull and lets me kite
ember dagger
If Dragon Roar got its CD reduced by anger management I'd consider it
regal island
noticed i just don't lose agro
old zephyr
UF with deafening crash is nuts
regal island
ah yeah no crash traits yet sadly
uneven mason
but TC with 1 DC trait during Avatar does more damage than Dragonsroar in like 1.2 casts
ember dagger
But UF is still super strong
exotic spoke
@frosty holly the other main tank and I spoke with a healer after they healed both of us in m+. We have periods of time (block) where we have a fuck ton of mitigation. Some other tanks don’t have that as much or are consistently taking more damage than we do in that period
regal island
i'll give is a shot, 1 less button anyways
uneven mason
lets put it this way
Avatar with UF is up so often
that it feels unusual when I'm NOT pressing TC every other GCD
frosty holly
Ya it's when I only have IP i feel like I'm taking the same dmg as a dps @exotic spoke 😄
uneven mason
than the opposite.
regal island
yeah avatar is off cd less than 1 min, i have it macro'd to my 1 min str trinket and the trinket is usally unavailable
exotic spoke
But when block comes up, damage in drops and they catch up.
ember dagger
tbh I've ended up only using IP when it's magic damage or I'm outta SBs
uneven mason
We have ~ 30+ seconds of block uptime
regal island
in mythic i pretty much always IP and only revenge when it procs
ember dagger
exactly
frosty holly
Why did they wreck IP so hard anyway? From 90% 20 rage cost to 50% and 40 rage cost seems like overkill
regal island
Idk it kinda makes never surrender look good though.
uneven mason
Because they weakened all tanks self sustain
regal island
idk how that works for IP stacking though
exotic spoke
Yup Ikari, and that’s enough on trash just some periods on bosses - I just cycle through other defensive to smooth it out
uneven mason
Helbrute wat
regal island
like say i'm 50% life so i get a 1.5x IP
regal island
then i ip again? does that raise the max IP stack? which is usually 1.3?
uneven mason
now its, as intended a damage smoother
ember dagger
just shitter monks
uneven mason
Ok so let me hit up with NS will never be good in its current form. It increases the amount of IP
IP does not absorb 50% of the IPs value
it absorbs maximum of 50% of the hit
so having a biggerIP != absorbing more damage
it just means you cast IP less often
uneven mason
Outside of mass pulls, IP lasts nearly the full 12 seconds of its duration anyway
regal island
bigger IP = up longer
uneven mason
Now if NS tripled the amount, and increase the absorb up to 90% (lets say, capping at 20% health remaining) it would be a suitable "OCRAP" sort of talent
But it doesn't it only increases the value of the IP, not the absorb per hit, thus is worthless
ember dagger
it'd actually compete with bolster
sick sentinel
zzzzzzzzzzzzz wish had time to mine holy fuck
uneven mason
IKR
ember dagger
Okay so crazy, crazy concept
ember dagger
imagine if we had more than one viable talent build
ember dagger
wouldn't that just be WACKY
regal island
i think with blood sport traits NS might be viable
stark sage
they would have to make AM bad, or make HR or ravager good
sick sentinel
🤔
ember dagger
They could always retune HR back to prenerf
sick sentinel
making use of the many talents.
ember dagger
was it 1.5 secs or 2
ember dagger
yeah
regal island
Really most of the fatal stuff i'm coming across in mythic is bleed or magic. Only trait trait & talent that helps there is NS & bloodsport
ember dagger
idk I think it'd compete better at least
uneven mason
If the fight was 100% blockable damage, yeah it probably could
stark sage
@regal island if bolster wasnt doing anything to help you in a fight, indom is much better than NS defesnively
uneven mason
^^
that being said - Bolster being your only heal on a 1min CD
is probably still going to beat Indom
stark sage
in a world where AM doesnt exist, bolster and indom would be fairly close, and generally the amount of unblockable damage would dictate which to use
uneven mason
yeah isn't Indom like a 0.02% ahead or soimething cooky
uneven mason
but its super close iirc
regal island
indom is just nice for the "oh shit" moments
stark sage
but both hover right around ~9% ehp
regal island
err bolster***
uneven mason
Bolster is good for consistent reduction in overall damage and is a massive EHP boost
that has a 25% uptime due to AM
20 - 25%~
YMMV
sick sentinel
so delicious.
uneven mason
If you're sitting on Prots CDs
for O shit moments
you're probably not doing it right :p
sick sentinel
and its only going to get better too as gear improves.