i started when legion came out so idk before that
#protection
ember arrow
junior ivy
HOW DOES MAKE LOH GO WORK
storm valley
yah, fair enough
ember arrow
caps
whatdo u mean
u press 123
to turn the turtle
dont walk over same path twice
ember arrow
ye because u cross same palce
junior ivy
im confused then
ember arrow
u cant move over path u created before
u can see a trail where u went
Levko's wq guides part 1
vagrant cape
@toxic wadi As a new prot warrior I see the class fantasy as being a tank used to counteract trench warfare in WWI. You charge forward as a block of indestructible iron to pave the way for your allies all while destroying everything in your path.
ember arrow
dont let thyme hear u say that
toxic wadi
that's a good description @vagrant cape
ember arrow
i theorcrafted that this mornming
where i kept failing it
even though i didnt walk into any walls
junior ivy
yay i did it 😄
vagrant cape
Can you make another guide on how to murder seagulls and crabs?
ember arrow
group them up
vagrant cape
I'll support your patreon
ember arrow
then do the dmg thing
sick sentinel
Overflow block past 100% used to carry over into chance to critical block at some point.
idr when that was.
vagrant cape
But does that guarantee the safety of the little shell-lings?
ember arrow
soon
vagrant cape
™?
ember arrow
ye
plain oasis
I'm still picking up Prot Warrior atm and learning it. Tanked most the Mythics this week, few more to do.
How have the more experience ProtWarrs been finding it?
I only ask as I'm planning to MT for a Mythic raiding guild, and theres a lot of grief thrown towards Prot at the moment, as its in a "lower tier" to Brew/DH.
ember arrow
dh isnt exactly amazing for raiding
calm cove
If you play properly youre going to have little to no issues
ember arrow
as for monk, stagger is busted, so they always gonna be really good for progression
properly played warrior, ohwever, has one of if not the best metigation
plain oasis
ohwever?
ember arrow
however
plain oasis
gotcha!
somber dragon
#scopoints 2018
jade wyvern
noble forum
what all think about war tank for mm+
tired zealot
The spec is currently fine, but I miss old IP and the bonus to spell damage reduction on the artifact
modern trout
Ignore pain having a pretty low ceiling is kinda a bummer considering we have no self healing but I’m having a blast with the damage
tired zealot
I would love to play my prot pally more, but without shield pants
the damage isnt where it used to be
errant dagger
i must be honest with you guys warrior feels shit compared to monk or dk i really hope they will let me choose a different play style besides Avatar and boom voice
jovial reef
prot feels like shit due to gcd
i'd be fine with it otherwise even if it isn't as fun or good as it was in legino
legion*
jovial reef
should be 7.5k rep with proudmore(?) as alliance
sick sentinel
with 7th legion you need 7.5k rep in honored
weary notch
7th legion rep is a pain. Outside of doing all the quests on the horde islands and all the WQs, any tips?
junior ivy
how are people 7.5k already
sick sentinel
do weekly island it gives 1.5k rep
if you rushed release day you could get 1.5k rep free also there was emmisary quest which gives 1.5k rep aswell
other then that its only wqs on horde side
weary notch
I've been grinding WQs and regular quests on the opposite factions island. I'm 2.5k into honored
sick sentinel
im 8.5k into honored i dont know just did wqs with weekly stuff thats it
junior ivy
ok something else im confused about
azerite gear
say im prot
i choose prot traits
i switch to fury
do the traits change?
if i use same gear
weary notch
no
junior ivy
so id be dpsing with prot traits?
weary notch
correct
junior ivy
so i need 2 sets of azerite gear?
weary notch
yup
undone sun
you can reset the selected traits where the transmog vendor is
but every time you do that the price doubles
weary notch
I assume that price comes down over time, like with old talent reforging
final mist
50% every 3(?) days
junior ivy
is there an addon or weakaura that makes it easy to keep track of BIS traits for my specs?
so i dont have to open google and icy veins every time i get a new piece of gear
merry cave
Theres this really good addon for it, but its a bit old now
pen and paper next to your pc 😃
weary notch
does pen and paper have ace support?
lucid ginkgo
I like this
undone sun
normal pike
so is IP basically a rage dump atm then?
weary notch
more or less
vocal nimbus
a minimal help against magic damage and a rage dump
normal pike
and if SB is on cd we are a a soggy wet noodle
normal pike
ok
vocal nimbus
but in a raid environment you should be able to cover your uptime tanking with both charges
always boss dependant of course
normal pike
yeah im thinking more dungeons
strong forum
im keeping up IP 100% of the time in dungeons unless im barely taking damage
final mist
You should be fine with SB being on CD occasionally.
strong forum
and im having 0 issues even when overpulling
final mist
Not having SB isn't a death sentence unless you're doing something really wrong.
vocal nimbus
Shield wall is available too
rocky plank
Does block happen first , or does Ignore Pain happen first when a physical dmg is dealt to you?
strong forum
thought on 335 gilded loa figure vs 340 lingering sporepod?
undone sun
@rocky plank block first
rocky plank
Nice. Ty
noble solar
timid jay
Absorbs are last
timid jay
Otherwise absorbs would be complete garbage
undone sun
blockades isn't worth 100k in it's current iteration
jaunty reef
Any tips for mythic tanking? Spam IP and use Block against multiple mobs
strong forum
erm
jaunty reef
I'm super new to this and WoW in general
tawny panther
IP just a dump when you have excess rage. You want to get blocks rolling and use demo shout, but look at icy veins guide
strong forum
im trying to get 100% IP uptime and im very save with that
having 0 survivability and damage issues
tawny panther
I prefer to whore dps of its safe :P
strong forum
well im still topping metes
IP isnt hard to maintain
often runs out before its used up
tawny panther
100% in myhic would be rather hard
royal marten
Does Iron Fortress stack from gear?
strong forum
yes but Brace for impact is better now
royal marten
aight
tawny panther
Fair, I might give it a try, not 100% since moar deeps but above just a dump
strong forum
ofc not true 100% in easy groups its not as necessary but i have it up more often than not
best i've gotten to was like 7k HPS in an overpull of like 7 groups
tardy oak
just i just got straight away kicked from a mythic group while forming because they said they found paladin tank and they prefer it from a warrior! NICE!
strong forum
cunts
sick tree
Honestly with a bit more gear
strong forum
thats the people that blindly follow youtubers/streamers and never actually seen anything remotely
jaunty reef
Damn never thought of Intercepting more
sick tree
The clunk is starting to find itself more managable
It seems like a large part of our scaling is having a real good shield rn
strong forum
rey lets hope this pally tank is terrible and they have to disband cuz they dont know tactics
sick tree
inb4 they buff warriors and everyone wants us again
strong forum
which is more than likely if he didnt do mythics by now
plz dont
we dont even need a buff
its just community perception thats fucked
main vault
sadly its the Warrior community as well
coral dew
The quality of our shield doesn't in anyway affect shield slam damage right?
Aside from obvious base stats
strong forum
no
coral dew
Okay just checking
junior ivy
heroic island expeditions are super hard
main vault
Not even
strong forum
not really no
you can cheese them really hard
just have the tank pull everything and have the others loot everything
main vault
Pull everything and let the 2 others grab all the azerite
Then kill the stuff
w
Just finished one like 9k>4k
It was so bad
merry cave
Even running 3 dps its super easy, just focus on the azerite nodes and you win
Pugs try to kill theother faction constsantly like idiots though
timid jay
Normals is so much easier to do
strong forum
mythics arent even hard, just need people to realize how its played
timid jay
Just spam normals for the weekly 👌
undone sun
oh islands
protadin in islands isn't ideal so i really only plan on doing it for the weekly until it's fixed
lapis pasture
Any one else feel like its ridiculous to have Ignore Pain on the gcd?
It feels like Im choosing between it and keeping aggro of bigger pulls and its frustrating af
strong forum
i dont no
merry cave
how you finding paladin thyme? big improvement on war atm
steady olive
@lapis pasture I feel the same, but I need to re-learn prot warrior
broken kite
fierce juniper
Just pushed a huge update to the Ignore Pain Tracker WeakAura.
I added a lot of frequently requested features, so go check it out.
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
strong forum
oh boi
saturated based on rage, holy shit
oh i thought it was gradually getting saturated
fierce juniper
that would be neat
broken kite
is into the fray just bugged
strong forum
that happens from time to time ye
broken kite
yikes.
fierce juniper
No
strong forum
lemme guess you watched naowhs video
next ermine
unless your Sco then no
hearty sandal
no im just hearing things
broken kite
Are you playing prot for progression Marok?
strong forum
mh
fierce juniper
@broken kite ye i am
undone sun
@merry cave I really enjoy it atm, haven't really had any issues specifically to the spec
Though current HotP is bugged in islands so it doesn't give the bonus heal based on missing health
main vault
unusable
broken kite
yikes
merry cave
that doesn't sound fantastic, glad pally is fun though. im about to level up my second tank for my backup m+ is war turns out to be awful at super high keys and thinking pal or dh atm
broken kite
pal seems like a pretty solid all rounder
merry cave
not wrong
restive mauve
undone sun
I don't like pvp to begin with, let alone pvp islands
That's going to be a yikes from me
strong forum
i dont think you understood what i said
theres normal, heroic, mythic and pvp
and the "pvp" is vs mythic bots on steroids
runic bronze
Isn't it versus other players ? Norma, Heroic and Mythic modes are already versus bots on steroids. What's different then between these modes and the Pvp mode ?
strong forum
no its not
sick sentinel
where do i find a trinket bis list?
mystic idol
yes it is
strong forum
pvp is mythic bots with crazy abilities
mystic idol
pvp is pvp
mystic idol
yes it is
strong forum
have you done it?
mystic idol
have you?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
are you sure about that
runic bronze
Confirmed, it is actual pvp
Check it by yourself, you're versing some other players. That would be retarded otherwise
severe steeple
@strong forum why would a mage charge you? even if it was a super bot
maybe you played dank mde
dapper sky
damage reduction of 3837% is calculated off what? Do we have a base block value that's multiplied?
strong forum
thats just a tooltip bug agro
broken kite
shield block value
dapper sky
does it mean 38.37%?
strong forum
ye
dapper sky
gotcha
strong forum
for whatever reason my elvui depicts blockvalue 1-1%
cinder bridge
finally got a 330 shield in heroic
and god damn it's like night and day
from the 289 I had from before
main fulcrum
frigid pawn
buy 310 shield for 10k
sick sentinel
I did today 34 Motherlode! dungs for shield and 2h sword
only shield dropped at 29th (from heroic so 325), wanted farm more for sword but gave up
tidal quarry
Hey boys, should I stick with a 350 Celedhring's Unrelenting Stride and keep the 2 set bonus with my shield or should I go with the 355+ socket crit and haste boots that I just got from SoB M
trail dagger
Oh I am doing mythics at the moment with a 266 green sword... I used to have 235 axe....
fierce juniper
@tidal quarry For survivability keep the 2 set
tidal quarry
I thought so, cheers @fierce juniper and thanks for the great work you do for the community.
fierce juniper
np :)
steady berry
Anyone here using raidbots atm?
graceful mason
Prot isnt supported in Simcraft so we cant atm
steady berry
okay so its not just me
graceful mason
Its not about making a profile either.. its not supported on the backend code
steady berry
really? thats kinda surprising
quaint shore
Hello
timid jay
Not really that surprising, we have no one actively working on the code
Not that urgent to get tank dps sims up either
prisma crane
what are the ilvl thresholds for WQ rewards?
jovial forge
Anyone noticed into the frey not activating?
steady berry
@timid jay Its more for me to build my gear up better is all cause I dont know all the caps and such for things like vert and mastery on a warrior tank
timid jay
Defensively there's no real cap to hit
Offensively the only thing I can think of would be GCD's during avatar but that's a very minor thing
Really the only thing you'd get out of it is dps weights, nice to have sure but that shouldn't be your focus in gearing atm
steady berry
So I shouldn't have issues if I focus on getting Haste/Master and Haster/Vert gear as a focus?
and not have it bite me in the ass down the road
dusk locust
@jovial forge yes I noticed. Fixed it by switching talents away from it and back
stone hull
Guys, how good is the Blood Siphon and the Ablative Shielding traits? Both are in the A tier in the Icy Veins guide.
hearty compass
hey all is anyone having a hard time tanking mythics with warrior?
ember arrow
not really
stone hull
kinda ok
ember arrow
what seems to be the problem?
hearty compass
finding it really hard to smoothly mitigate (i know how to play the class and its just really frustrating)
feel like paper, im 323
swift herald
is a 340 shoulder with arms trait better than a 325 with prot (brace of impact) trait ?
ember arrow
if youre 323 on mythics, then there should be no problem
next ermine
are there any BoE's that drop off specific mobs?
analog pewter
Part of smoothing the dmg taken is having the DPS interrupting and healers dispelling monster steroids.
jaunty reef
Impassive Visage or Gemhide? 😄
supple path
Is there an azerite list that actually weighs in the neutral traits too?
jaunty reef
Neutral traits are usually DPS stuff tho right?
supple path
Yeah generally, though sometimes the prot ones are just bleh.
Big question I keep running into is weighing ilvl vs superior traits.
jaunty reef
I feel like that depends
Are you playing with friends? Go for superior traits
Are you playing with randoms who weigh your value on a single number? ilvl
As long as it isn't dramatic
supple path
Playing with randoms as a tank right now basically just means they kiss the ground for their queue being over anyhow, it feels like.
Not geared up enough for mythics quite yet.
jaunty reef
Eh, I'm new to everything so take everything I say with a grain of salt
What ilvl are you?
supple path
At least I'm getting paid with this 900g + augment rune per queue.
jaunty reef
I'd go for ilvl if I were you
supple path
306
jaunty reef
ah damn
supple path
The dangers of a workplace where too many people play WoW is that you can't all take your time off on release week, hah.
jaunty reef
Hahahaha
I get that, I'd say go for ilvl tho
I have friends helping me who don't work too
Helped me with my first mythics today 😄
icy veldt
buy the shield 😄
sick sentinel
shadow council dead server overcharge 30k+ for stormsteels with no good stats, the few that're up.
no haste/mast or hast/vers or mast/vers
898/848 haste/vers unbuffed feels good.
jaunty reef
That sounds super unlucky
Maybe just solo queue for HCs?
You get like 900-1k gold and runes
little star
so many bosses that only shoot with guns in dungeons so boring tbh
prisma crane
you mean only reload
little star
i assumed they reloaded in the cast of shoot 🤔
ember arrow
Whats wrong with bosses shooting guns
little star
we can't block it so just makes us worse on those bosses
every other tank can use am to reduce the dmg but us
ember arrow
Bosses that shoot guns arentt threateni g to the tank so far
U mean in the motherload?
jaunty reef
I think he means we can't use our Shield Block to generate rage and block the dmg
little star
ye the 2 in the motherlode and theres one in seige but that ones not important
the last boss in the motherlode hits semi hard
signal plover
All 10 mythics were pretty manageable imo
Last boss of shrine showcases our uptime issues a bit but not too bad
little star
ye its not a big deal but having 1 tanks AM not work where all others work is not very good design imo
ember arrow
What about us reflecting chaotic energy in coen in legion while others couldnt. Not Good design imo
Some tanks are sometimes stronger than others vs a certain mechanic
@signal plover last boss is when u go to other realm?
timid jay
Yeah it is
ember arrow
Well u dont tank the add
Also boss casts 254 times
I dont see how that shows uptime issues
signal plover
what do u mean u dont tank the add
signal plover
i mean i just kited after shield block/LS wore off
signal plover
im aware
signal plover
yeah but that just leaves your healer to solo kill it
signal plover
adds*
little star
in my m0s i killed mine faster than the dps killed 1 of thier 2 adds
ember arrow
So you saying that it shows uptime issues is compmetely wrong
signal plover
jesus are u defensive much
it is just an example of how the fact that SB isn't up 100% of the time
ember arrow
Now u can tank it. Prob not on pushing keys
ember arrow
U can have 100% uptime while active
pastel phoenix
hey guys, how we get the "brain trust?" that shoes and shield combo
ember arrow
Youre telling me to relax and to not be defensive. Im not mad nor defensive. I just point out what you said was a bad example
signal plover
ok great
sick sentinel
!`
signal plover
nothing else has rly been an issue to notice
somber dragon
legion was basically "fasetank" for everyone unless it was "really really really" pushing shit either undergeared or high keys
bfa is more of a "use your toolkit" kinda game right now
next ermine
getting real tired of my 300 shield lol...
ember arrow
@somber dragon that is not the case
if content was too high, you kited
either because you die, or , more likely, your allies died
even if trash did nothing to you, like NL, you still kited
somber dragon
imean, that's kinda what i was trying to say
😄
for a `murikan my english can be quite shit
ember arrow
i dont think bfa will change
you still kite if dmg gerts too high
but mobs dont oneshot allies randomly, or at least it doesnt seem like it
somber dragon
right, but "kiting" is more "part of the toolkit" on some of the tanks than others (i.e. you can have the same ilvl on both, one will "have to" kite, where the other will still be able to fasetank, just due to the toolkits)
dark junco
Wondering if I should grab either Aguas or Gnarled for 380 mastery or haste
ember arrow
if u slow them
they are at 80% ms right?
and youre at 100
if u really need slow, like u did for say NL in legion, bring a frost mage
since aff locks dont ahve ring
timid jay
Threat is a bigger issue while kiting now anyway
dark junco
^
timid jay
And mobs that are immune to slows
dark junco
Had issue with double hasted mobs kiting in m0 Underrot
ember arrow
then to tank em all
dark junco
Lost threat a couble time while kiting to survive
wide tinsel
See for the first pack in underot how do you deal with that
dark junco
Luckily, we have many stuns
wide tinsel
had issues in mythic
dark junco
The dying mobds that AoE ?
ember arrow
ticks
dark junco
stun flee
ember arrow
that TICK you down
wide tinsel
nah the ones with big floating eye thing
little star
u can just avoid the ticks lol
ember arrow
@timid jay if u slow enemy 20%, that means u run faster than them right?
not to mention other classes can give speedbuff
or slow
timid jay
I mean
dark junco
Issue is mainly threat while kiting atm
timid jay
There's nothing saying mobs have the same movement speed as you
ember arrow
you mentioned some addsa re immune
ember arrow
but i mean, if u slow 5, and 1 is immune
timid jay
Mother fuxker runs fast
Haven't really been paying too much attention in bfa dungeons but some trash mobs in legion ran faster than a player
ember arrow
i never attempted to kite raidbosses actually unless its a mechanic
the ones in votw that are DHs run faster
for one
but u can always prank adds with runnign around pillars
jumping down stairs
little star
bosses move at like 150% movespeed to avoid being kited anyway tho
ember arrow
bosses shouldnt just kill you randomly
sick sentinel
yeah @jaunty reef between rep grinding prioing WQs atm to unlike Siege Boralus, have been doing Atal'Zador specific heroic or occasional random as able daily.
very unlucky for shield. and weapon drops (none)
but every mythic piece that has dropped for me has been haste/vers.
super happy.
jaunty reef
Damn
I got 2 wrists and 1 pants out of the first 5
Doing the remaining 4 tomorrow and hoping for something more..
dark junco
Got a 340 shield, but I must hurry: gear requirement is 340 and 18 HoA for the 25th for mythic raiding spot
strong forum
thats nothing
dark junco
The last ilvl close to 340 are gonna be a pain
dark junco
Gotta pray for titanforge on specific pieces
worldly stag
Are other tanks having the same sort of aggro issues in dungeons? I guess less issues but initial clumping of packs isnt nearly as clean as it used to be.
cinder bridge
325 shield with haste or 330 shield with no haste?
cinder bridge
thanks
raven kernel
The most important stat on shield is the block value
Which directly scales with ilvl
timid jay
👏
strong forum
👏
timid jay
Done all mythics this week?
strong forum
if i could get an 340 azerite chest/shoulders i would finally hit 340...
did all mythics and only got 1 azerite piece
FeelsBadMan
strong forum
doing kings tomorrow
broken kite
😄
strong forum
345 bis weapon and 355 shield 😏
broken kite
Noiceee
strong forum
more damage
junior ivy
the warrior pulls aggro off me immediately
broken kite
are you pulling
junior ivy
within 2 seconds
broken kite
or are they
strong forum
heroic leap->avatar->TC
junior ivy
and then im struggling to get it back
strong forum
insta aggro
broken kite
im usually fine using tc
next ermine
arms has hard burst
strong forum
impossible to lose aggro
broken kite
then revenge for bleed
junior ivy
i dont have avatar for eveyr pul;l
broken kite
every now and then you might need to taunt a mob
strong forum
nor does arms warri have bladestorm on every pull
junior ivy
im constantly taunting
strong forum
should be fine tbh
strong forum
then idk what to tell you
broken kite
you can always ask them to slow at the start to
junior ivy
i am TCing as much as possible
he doesnt pull off our DK tank
just me
is it a warrior thing or a me thing?
broken kite
are ya bleeding your adds too?
brave jetty
What's the tl;dr of Prot Warr in BfA?
broken kite
revenge
strong forum
well cat, you once a month....
broken kite
brave jetty
Reinstalling the game since mid-Legion
brave jetty
Trying to see how Prot is these days
strong forum
batshark its, community perception is fucked
ember arrow
@junior ivy you... dont know taht deep wounds existed?...
brave jetty
Really? What's the problem with em?
strong forum
its a purely proactive spec now, you dont have a safety net
brave jetty
I mean people were pretty negative about us for lots of Legion and we were pretty fine then
strong forum
people bash on prot cuz of no self healing
next ermine
there is a weight in icy veins
viral pollen
are the numbers in icy veins? I just saw the better than list
strong forum
but with the new block changes our AM is really fucking strong
brave jetty
I always liked the gameplay though, has that been significantly changed?
graceful mason
Simcraft doesn't support protection warrior atm so we can't get numbers
next ermine
^
strong forum
i have often seen attacks where i took 1k damage and blocked 12k of that
or say 2k damage taken blocked 24k
dark junco
So is it haste mastery as ever?
dark junco
Kk, damn got a 350 vers mastery ringg
strong forum
for a detialed guide
dark junco
I’m happy but sad lol
graceful mason
With how shields are scaling with block value they're guna have to nerf shields/block eventually
strong forum
it will but what will a new shield be better if the block value isnt of any use
sick sentinel
I do haste>vers=>mastery.
strong forum
eh thats too much vers
need to drop some for mastery
had the same issue where i had 300 mastery and 800 vers
now its more even
sick sentinel
at 587 mastery rating.
strong forum
1.1k haste 700 mastery and like 600 vers
graceful mason
I feel that without the sim were underestimating the value of mastery for overall DMG reduction.. but impossible to really know
graceful mason
Yeah excel sheets are in a vacuum though
strong forum
define vacuum
sick sentinel
I remember someone saying that spreadsheet wasn't updated for latest IP changes.
strong forum
na this is raw math
ye it was me
i said that
i dont dare to @ marok for that so idk.
little star
Has any1 had experience on the Brace for Impact trait and how it stacks and the stacks get consumed?
strong forum
you SS you 1 stack for 9 sec
if you SS within that 9 sec again
you get an additional stack
little star
oh so the first stack will drop after 9 seconds
strong forum
once your 1st cast runs out his 9sec it drops the 1 stack
little star
i thought something was consuming them
graceful mason
You really only have 1-2 up at a time
acoustic stratus
any dungeons you guys have trouble with?
swift badge
do you think they'll add more self sustain to prot?
graceful mason
Get 3x azerite veins :>
strong forum
no they wont gromnak
graceful mason
15k hp every 2.4s
strong forum
that might be worthwhile checking out
lets see what reset brings
ugh they're all on bloodsport pieces though
doesnt sound soo good afterall
paper moon
What would you guys say would be the best option for the 1st ring on the Engineering goggles?
vagrant cape
what do you think is better from a survivability standpoint, 30 haste or 59 leech (1.5%)?
I'm choosing betwene two identical pieces, but one has a socket and the other has 59 leech and I'm poor so I use the 30 haste gems
brave jetty
Do we still have pretty good tools and sustain?
onyx vessel
are prot warriors worst tank in mythics
brave jasper
we are bottom tier on all accounts dungeon and raid
raven kernel
Lol no
brave jasper
but I don't believe we are at all bottom tier in the slightest
sick sentinel
lmao
ember arrow
not for raids by any accounts
frigid blaze
I wish I could express with words my disappointment when I found out that Deafening Crash doesn't stack
sick sentinel
would be too OP. demo shout then would never fall off.
floral hatch
Meh. Now I'm not required to always have three deafening crash pieces.
charred kindle
frigid blaze
Check out the FAQ channel near the top 😃
amber siren
cat getting crusty with the best of them 👀
raven kernel
3x deafening crash op for aoe dps tho XD
Just not optimal in grand scheme of things
summer sequoia
any links to prot trinkets?
didn't see any stickies for it
darkmoon deck any good?
glass sequoia
summer sequoia
thank you
raven kernel
Flat str trinket plus on use str trinket with avatar for massive aoe deeps
round vortex
I have 2 340 STR trinkets lol One of them has crit proc and the other one has little spores that do passive healing and damage (shitty amounts). But having STR is good enough for me right now.
Getting a haste proc trinket to Titanforge would be nice lol
little rain
Anyone know what the trigger for the new weapon enchants is ie: chance per attack, rppm, on taking dmg, randomly, or any other trigger? tooltip seems vague
sick sentinel
stalwart navigator seems to procc off being hit as well as own attacks. feelsgoodman
pretty consistent too. idk actually ppm # s
broken kite
wow siege is easy AF
little rain
idk how if it procs via dmg dealt or dmg taken or both but I found the spell ID in wowhead if ne1 is interested, it's 6 rppm https://www.wowhead.com/spell=268912/stalwart-navigation
little star
answered your own question there mate
versed hedge
How you guys like prot warrior in mythics so far?
Thinking of picking warr up as tanking alt
lavish trout
I looked at the icy veins page, but I am wondering if I am leveling w/ warmode what would be the best options for prot? so far I got dragon charge and morale killer
polar condor
Anyone have Stat weights for Pawn?
humble oar
guys how come we cant sim Prot?
I just wanted to see dps is all in comparison to other tanks
lavish trout
no tanks can sim, same with healers.
humble oar
well they can sim for dps, and as I said above thats what im looking for
lavish trout
dps isn't generally important to tanks, just being able to hold agro and live.
dps = agro but not enough to matter
humble oar
and you can sim TMI and ETMI now so you can also sim tanks defensive capabilites
lavish trout
It's been that way since day 1 of legion
humble oar
Yeah ofc i know it doesnt matter, Im just wondering why every other tank has sims for Single target dps but prot doesnt
lavish trout
i can't sim as blood so i dunno did they change something recently cus i can't sim dps as prot pally or blood dk or bewmaster
lavish trout
well ask the guys who make the addon ;p
amber siren
you'd have to ask on of the theorycrafters but iirc it's something to do with the backend
i don't think any of the tanks can sim their dps rn, even if that report lists numbers
humble oar
I have a guildie who plays blood that can sim dps
lavish trout
show me
lavish trout
Well, I would submit it as a bug to simcraft then
sick sentinel
I only want to check my statscaling 😦
lavish trout
I just want some war mode talents
if you don't die and the group doesn't die
your winning at the game ;s
sick sentinel
the trinket? 😛 WQ
cinder nova
No
Someone had a picture of smeagol holding up the one ring
And then the mood ring tooltip next to it
Gnarled mood ring
AND I CAN'T FIND IT.
sick sentinel
junior ivy
ty
tiny spear
Do we know if prot is getting a rework in 8.1?
sick sentinel
hope not. doesn't need it. 🤣
Is darkmoon blockades good for prot?
the str is, the proc is meh
Okay thanks
Also, when to use ignore pain and shield block? Sorry im new ot tanking this expansion
read pins
tiny spear
@sick sentinel you absolutely sure about that? From everything i hear we are bottom tier atm if you consider both M+ and raids and our kit overall is outdated and kinda boring
inland silo
just prots damage might be enough for it to be a pretty good choice in m+
sick tree
Anyone else feel squishy
inland silo
i felt a little squishy in mythics but i only have a 266 shield since i dont main prot
so
IP being on the gcd is the worst part of the spec right now imo
sick tree
I feel like I'm kinda squishy
Or maybe it's cause my shield is only ilevel 200. I mean do we just scale harder with shields or somethin
timid jay
We scale extreme amounts by our shield
Our entire kit is based around blocking and shields are what scale that
sick tree
So am I gonna feel a lot less squishy if I jump from a 200 to a 240 shield
in the future
tiny spear
isnt hte problem our downtime between active mitigations tho?
from what i could gather
sick tree
Yeah that too
In legion
IP used to be like
60% of our HP
now it barely gets 1/5th
sick tree
IP honestly needs a bit of a buff and maybe not be on GCD
amber siren
IP isn't supposed to be what it was in legion, you're not going to see it buffed.
tiny spear
i'd rather not press IP at all and just have low cd on shield block 😃
amber siren
We're reliant on cooldowns, not IP padding.
soft marlin
amber siren
@soft marlin You can find the stat priority in the guide in the pins, but yes haste is our second best stat after str
sick sentinel
yea I dont liek current state of prot in mythic dungeons, IP seems very bad for me playstyle wise and as being not very effective, I also mis some healing, like any healing, perhaps I have chosen my class badly
feels great to me. just wish loot RNG didn't keep me from a better shield. heroics, WQs, and Mythics.
amber siren
Like mentioned earlier, if you're using IP like you were in legion you're going to have a bad time
cinder nova
@sick sentinel Prot warrior is fine.
sick sentinel
In terms of power the spec feels ok, it feels very clunky to me though
cinder nova
Every healer in my guild and randoms says I've been easier to heal than other tanks and that was when I was doing M0 at 285
cinder nova
Because we are.
sick sentinel
Do you think the spec feels 'clunky'?
sick tree
Is it true that they only shoehorned in IP because they couldn't find anything to replace it with in beta?
fringe lake
i was feeling somewhat squishy in the first myhtic 0 dg with a crap shield . after getting a 350 its a lot better now 😄
sick sentinel
lol
@sick sentinel I was in 34 motherlode runs yday just for shield (and 2h sword as bonus), maybe it was scummy by me coz I was leaving after 1st boss, but I was desperate for shield (had 280~, while having 326ilvl in general)
I got the motherlode shield while I was lvling.
sick tree
So it seems like we just scale super super hard with a shield
because of block value making a return
sick sentinel
but that was while I was lvling. 😦 green 290 was better.
yes.
get a solid shield, and you'll be a solid god.
it's your most valuable scaling item of all your armor this expansion.
You can buy a 350 shield of the AH pretty cheap now
280k on my server
sick tree
I'm broke with only 200k
sick sentinel
yeah im broke atm from buying legion mounts and the spider. 😛
sick tree
I gotta find a way to make some cash
sick sentinel
I just feel that we need 1 healing spell even a little one, I just had situations where healer was dead, boss has 10% and I could kite it but without healing I eventually died after 2mins, with some little healing I could do it
Get herbs, enchant gloves and herb in Voldun
28k atm. need to sell enchants and spam more satchel heroics as tank.
timid jay
I dont feel like we need healer
sick sentinel
I make 100k+ an hour
candid vine
Is Bygone Bee Almanac, or Fathoms okay for taking?
timid jay
Making all tanks kits too homogenous would be extremely boring
sick sentinel
once my reps caught up, I have a 110 highmountain warrior ready/waiting w/ BFA mining gloves enchant to just spam mine 110-120.
hot locust
Agreed Cosmo.
hot locust
Not gonna happen
sick sentinel
I like how prot warrior is now in BFA. certainly no self-sustain, but holy shit we're rock hard tanky now.
sick sentinel
yeah, not gonna happen.
doesn't need to happen tbh. with my haste and lower GCD, I hardly notice it anymore.
Your haste is so high lol
Whats your ilvl?
its right there in the image.
south stump
Where to look for good prot guide?
round vortex
I didn't mind having enraged regen - 3 min cooldown for an "every now and then heal"
sick tree
woah 30%
round vortex
But as far as a heal button to spam - nty doesn't fit
hot locust
thats 5 stack itf though.
sick sentinel
last stand heals you, y'know.
what I meant is healing not to spam, just live every 1 min
dun need an enraged regen.
hot locust
Then use LS its up about that often.
sick tree
So into the fray better than punish?
maiden dagger
Definitely
sick sentinel
2min CD LS that AM reduces good and well with right rotation use.
Warrior do not need a heal...we are brick walls at the moment
use correctly.
round vortex
I am definitely not saying we need it. I was saying it was nice to have
sick sentinel
but yeah. Unstoppable Force prolly gonna get the nerf I feel.
hot locust
^
maiden dagger
I do love being a brick wall rather than teleporting monk or blood sucking worm
sick sentinel
yeah I like being an actual tank too.
sick sentinel
oh yea i forgot LS heals, I also have LS -> gift of the naaru macro, so nvm we are fine with healing
off topic: Kiting with Second Wind as arms is insane healing if anyones tried it
merry cave
I'd just like IV to be baseline. In m+ were going to end up needing it
sick sentinel
RNG has not been good for me weapon/shield wise.
neat harbor
trying for the adulation enforcer off of Atal'Dazar, Im up to 20 damned runs and no drop.
round vortex
What would be cool actaully - is boosting our out of combat regen. Like we take a hit like a boss and recover quicker than other tanks.
sick sentinel
Got lucky and got 345 1H sword last night, took me until my last mythic to get it.
Bought a shield on AH
round vortex
I am just spitballing not saying we need it or whatever
neat harbor
Is it just me or did blizzard massively nerf the drop rate of weapons in dungeons
cause Ive got like 5 pairs of greaves and 4 boots from atal, and no mainhand
sick sentinel
It feels that way, my guildies have taken ages to get weapons
neat harbor
from 20 runs
merry cave
High keys the swap to IV is gonna happen soon as haste is not dog shit
timid jay
Wat
sick sentinel
huh
@neat harbor haha might be the case 70% of gear I get is azurite armor, and maybe 2% weapons
raven kernel
Da fug is iv
timid jay
Lets you cast victory rush without a killing blow every 30 seconds
neat harbor
lul
raven kernel
Wait impending victory?
timid jay
yeah
raven kernel
Morg be trolling
autumn pendant
sick sentinel
IV is garbage in itself. doesn't need to be baseline. just replace with something else.
like second wind.
neat harbor
honestly feel like I want to just spend 25k gold on a mainhand, 0 luck with drops on one
Ill just get one of the honorable combatant main hands
sick sentinel
no reason to ever use in that tier.
merry cave
I never said haste was bad, as soon as we have high enough base haste I'll be taking iv for several key affixes at high levels
sick sentinel
I'll likely just make my own in the next few days.
once have the time to mine for my blacksmithing.
sick sentinel
yeah. but what gonna do
neat harbor
not complaining though honestly, at least it keeps the price of ore up
healthy for the market
sick sentinel
monelite is 300-500g/piece on my dead ass server Horde.
neat harbor
hah, holy shit
its like 50 gold per on mine
storm silver not really dropping under 150 though.
sick sentinel
think cus everyone here is double professions, no gatherers + all leveling or spamming dongers for gear instead of gathering.
neat harbor
noone can be bothered to gather
least I feel like I cant most times
too much trouble 😩
sick sentinel
haha I was lucky, when spamming mythics 350 2h sword boe dropped for me, got 550k
sick sentinel
nice
sick sentinel
should we be stacking haste?
its a solid weapon for arms. and arms is OP contender for pvp/arena group play as is.
same here, I still have 290ilvl weapons, and its my last item under 325
junior ivy
have most people unlocked kings rest by now?
will it be easy to find a group for it tomororw?
neat harbor
yeah someone said arms was like, tier one for mythic AoE or something I heard
junior ivy
i unlolcked siege of boralus a while ago
junior ivy
just got kings rest tonight
sick sentinel
err kings rest^
junior ivy
how was it?
sick sentinel
@junior ivy what about kings rest
junior ivy
i dunno if ill be tanking or dpsing it tomorrow
junior ivy
just askin about it casue i just unlocked it
sick sentinel
otherwise, was all easy.
junior ivy
m+s arent out on tuesday are they?
neat harbor
no myth+ or raids til tuesday after next I thought
neat harbor
just farm
keep getting myth and heroic gears and reps
still loads of that shit to do
simple flicker
Yo guys does Deafening Crash "Azerite power" does it stack with other gear? with same artifact talent?
neat harbor
or level an alt maybe
sick sentinel
you only need 1 deafening.
junior ivy
youre insane