It’s not like it’s the only rage dump we have, and it’s not like if they doubled the absorb amount like we wouldn’t be able to dump
#protection
chilly brook
copper lark
as a dump literally we're only using it when Shield block cant be used right? block is better in all cases except when the boss/mob doesnt do melee
chilly brook
Uhhhhh
Not in my experience
In mythics unless it’s up period I feel like I get chunked
copper lark
thats why im kinda confused i suppose
broken kite
ive found the best way to survive on mythics is to take dps who know how to use interupts and stuns
chilly brook
Obviously you should use block as much as possible when it’s needed but from what I’m experiencing IP is hella important
I’m doing ~3k HPS in mythics soooo that’s a fair amount of damage being negated by IP
In general I’m not spending rage on anything but SB and IP
Hardly need to spend it on Revenge
Literally doing upwards of 20k on aoe
chilly brook
Unfortunately Ion and his crew wanted us to have to use that gcd
broken kite
"hm ip is the same as frenzied regen right guys?"
chilly brook
But again it’s not like we’re hurting for damage output anyways
chilly brook
I see it like this
If I’m topping aoe pulls and also doing roughly 5k single target I don’t think I really need to play too offensively
copper lark
im just tired of seeing tank rankings with Prot warrior in the bottom tiers for like the third xpac in a row
twin hazel
^
chilly brook
They’re literally all viable
twin hazel
if it stops you from getting into a guild fuck those guys
broken kite
the rankings arent "is everyone viable"
twin hazel
they are probably bad
broken kite
i.e. only friends
sick sentinel
is the darkmoon blockades worth it for us??
broken kite
apparently not
sick sentinel
is it no good
broken kite
i think pins have some information
copper lark
its getting to the point where its so cheap that im considering it simply because its 355
chilly brook
Even if you raid cutting edge it doesn’t matter all that much @quartz pond
copper lark
only 90k on stormrage already
broken kite
disagree
quartz pond
That is not the point I am challenging so that's fine @chilly brook
heavy locust
darkmoon tank card any good?
chilly brook
Correct me if I’m wrong but world 7th or so used a warrior tank in antorus
chilly brook
You’ll be fine if you’re doing your job right and playing your class well
quartz pond
Especially coming from tomb
quartz pond
Ur gonna have to dig hard to find a top guild with a prot warrior in tomb
broken kite
undone sun
broken kite
nice arrow
robust urchin
I feel like the game is taunting me, its making fun of me
broken kite
Nice shield
undone sun
yikes
quartz pond
Hahaha
broken kite
spam heroics man
robust urchin
I CANT ANYMORE ITS SO EXHAUSTING
broken kite
just do it
quartz pond
And tanking is terrible
chilly brook
I wouldn’t call tomb a good measuring stick
quartz pond
Cuz everyone sucks and does no damage
chilly brook
Considering so much of it was thrown out without proper testing
quartz pond
What
copper lark
im in the exact same situation man, I'm 334 with a 300 crafted shield.
quartz pond
Tomb was amazing at telling u
broken kite
i would love for blizzard to incentivise people using interrupts similar to DH
chilly brook
Lul Mythic KJ for example
quartz pond
It wasn't critical blocks
chilly brook
It was monks
But that’s not the point
There were hella mechanics on KJ that weren’t tested period
quartz pond
More like bears
chilly brook
Which literally broke the fight
chilly brook
Method stopped progress until blizz fixed it
summer basalt
how much of haste its too much ? i have 13% without fray , and with fray 29%
undone sun
100%
summer basalt
oh... soo protection = haste monster¿?
undone sun
yup
summer basalt
ty
high robin
Hey, quick question that i wasnt able to find elsewhere, is it possible to create a macro that essentially is an if statement? Im looking to make/find something that allows you to cast shield slam on cd, else if cast Devastate, is this possible?
fierce juniper
nope
undone sun
Not directly by using if statements, that was removed long ago
high robin
RIP, is there anything that can do something similar?
round vortex
There is and it’s pretty simple
I think lol
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Devatate
I’m fairly sure because of GCD it will use what’s on top
And if you push it again and shield slam not available it will make its way down the list
I could be super wrong tho
fierce juniper
there might be a way with cast sequence macros
but fairly sure just doing that wont work
round vortex
I think cast sequence macros need like a cycle reset time in them? And might hurt more than help. I just use 2 buttons lol
final mist
Easier to just use two buttons instead of making convoluted macros.
high robin
yeah ive tried stacking it like you said Baratus, but that doesnt work, and using a cast sequence doesnt allow for procs to be used
round vortex
Yeah I though so. It used to work back in BC when I was a mage 😂
Been prot for 10 years now lol
spice ferry
hows the dmf deck for prot?
spice ferry
just went to the icy veins and didnt'
robust urchin
the DMF trinket is great
spice ferry
see it mentioned
robust urchin
its good money on ah
spice ferry
but yeh, just read
fierce juniper
Not really since it can't be upraded
I updated the suggested trinkets in the guide, I'm just waiting for it to be pushed to Icy Veins. Took off the Alchemist Stone recommendation
errant dagger
@fierce juniper hey:) will you be streaming again?
fierce juniper
ill be streaming progression, ye
errant dagger
Awesome thanks!
twin hazel
😐 galvazzt seems stupid
jaunty ermine
thanks for the guides marok. really helped with the new azerite stuff
hollow void
Devastate feels so shit tho
jaunty ermine
im really struggling to get use to the things being on the GCD. feels really slow.
tribal shale
@high robin maybe you could use a macro on your keyboard, so everytime you press the button you want it will trigger the shield slam keybind, and then the devastate keybind. You could add a 0.1 second of delay to it
Not sure if this is allowed tho
undone sun
afaik, as long as it's 1:1 button press it's fine
but you cannot do one button to two or more button presses
tribal shale
So, what is parry exactly? 100% damage reduction from basic attacks?
candid vine
It's not 100% anymore
hot locust
🤔
candid vine
Can anyone recommend a minimum level for m+0?
twin hazel
pug or guild?
sick sentinel
https://gyazo.com/0441e7cb3b6bc78628ab5227cec88549 never shield.
candid vine
Guild
undone sun
can do it at 280
amber siren
There honestly isn't a requirement for M0, they are all very easy assuming you're playing competently.
fierce juniper
@candid vine Huh? Parry is 100% damage reduction. It's avoidance.
twin hazel
can go as low as 275 if you want
twin hazel
320 is not very hard to hit before mythics though
candid vine
@fierce juniper ok someone gave me bad info then. I got killed on something as arms even with the 100% Parry in legion and someone said it's not
twin hazel
and thats where i started
lucid ginkgo
Because not all attacks can be parried
Or dodged
You most likely got him by something that falls into that category
languid elm
@fierce juniper what stats should I use for Prot?
twin hazel
dont ping the man for stupid shit check the pins
undone sun
also mentioned in the guides
hot locust
he's in a voice chat with Marok
raven ore
@undone sun is arms a dead spec
hot locust
dw team
undone sun
??
tribal shale
So what's the difference between parry and dodge?
candid vine
I was 3300m+ in legion if that matters. So you guys think I should be ok in M0 at 297 ilvl?
muted finch
one uses a weapon, the other uses your jukes
lucid ginkgo
Nothing, really
twin hazel
yes hark
sick sentinel
haste >vers=>mastery>crit
twin hazel
if you know how to play should be fine
lucid ginkgo
You gain parry with strength
candid vine
@twin hazel ty
high robin
@tribal shale Thats a good thought, ill have to look into whether or not thats a kosher thing to do, thanks!
junior ivy
galvazzt.. wtf..
tribal shale
Someone said it's not allowed. Make sure to check that out carefully
junior ivy
how does he work
lucid kelp
On a scale of 1 to 10. Should I spend 300k on Bygone bee almanac? 350 trinket with 225 str and an on use 756 mastery for 12 seconds. Extended by rage spent
tribal shale
You have to intercept the lightnings so he doesnt stack
twin hazel
@junior ivy have your dps and heals pick stand in the beams
try to avoid them yourself
junior ivy
we are
but we cant kill him
people die easily
when he does the aoe thingy
we lose 1 or 2 dps every time
twin hazel
he shouldnt be doing it
lucid kelp
he doesn't do the AOE thingy if your standing in the beam correctly
twin hazel
get as many stacks as it takes
dbm yells at you when you hit 4 or 5 but thats not necessary
twin hazel
jsut dont let his energy hit 100 and youre good
doesnt matter how many stacks you have
junior ivy
how many stacks is it safe for each person to take?
undone sun
~10
junior ivy
so if he keeps doing his aoe every time, we are messing up beams?
junior ivy
im gonna pay close attention to his energy this pull
its our firsttime doin this dungeon on mythic
twin hazel
its a sperate bar not on his nameplate
junior ivy
ohh
junior ivy
good to know
tribal shale
Galvazzt has a terrible design imo
tribal shale
Feels very clunky to soak those beams
twin hazel
hard to see them
twin hazel
yah took my group like 10 times
junior ivy
im 3rd dps, our warlock is lower than me by quite a bit
junior ivy
we have drums
tribal shale
Sometimes you just want to clear out stacks and a new pillar spawns and refreshes your stacks
undone sun
🤣
half rapids
weary notch
wait, how?
twin hazel
probly died right off the bat
weary notch
wouldn't the pet have at least done something?
twin hazel
ehal his pet to death?
weary notch
anything?
twin hazel
lol
junior ivy
so we keep getting multiuple aoes, but i guess we just gotta deal with them
amber siren
i respect that
twin hazel
I think when i did it our healer was the iossue, do monks go oom easy?
apple juice is pretty legit
junior ivy
WE DID IT
amber siren
👏
twin hazel
now the easiest boss
plain ice
340 briny barnacle any good?
fossil sentinel
hi and qstn, is prot viable to tank
twin hazel
no we suck never play us again
undone sun
yes
fossil sentinel
lol
fossil sentinel
was prot in legion, and was lvling as fury, did not try the prot but thx for tha stupid answer tho
twin hazel
your welcome i try really hard
fossil sentinel
lmao
sick sentinel
play what you like instead of fotm fixations
junior ivy
just finishing temple now..
mystic trellis
Anyone know what 150 dodge rating would come out to % wise?
sick sentinel
I wonder how long it takes blizzard to nerf prot aoe dps to ground
slate obsidian
If it comes with a nice buff to Ignore pain aka spend a gcd to reduce the cds of your defensives by 4 sec I'm fine with it
little rain
errant dagger
lol
tribal shale
Can anyone tell me the difference between dodge and parry? I tried searching for it but there everyone says different things.
vocal nimbus
Its the same thing, we just have 2 for fantasy purposes
remote tusk
With dodge you use your body, with parry you use your weapons
raven kernel
you can only parry frontal attacks
dodge is 360degrees
and after parrying, the delay on your next autoswing is reduced
fierce juniper
You can't dodge if you're not facing enemies...
raven kernel
oh right
fierce juniper
You can dodge/parry/block as long as attacks are coming from within 180 degrees in front of you
raven kernel
it works differently for players and bosses
digital stirrup
Hi
vocal nimbus
hi
raven kernel
but yeah ur correct
which is why as a tank, turning your back to mobs usually results in getting gibbed
and way back when hit/expertise was a thing
digital stirrup
Just to say, i'm new in the warrior content and i want to be a fury and protection, i'm so newbie ;/ don't find any guide realy basic on net, u have?
raven kernel
tanks needed expertise to not only hit the bosses, but also reduce the amount that they made bosses parry
cos boss parries you = faster autoswings = more dmg taken
hot locust
@digital stirrup check our pins in each respective channel for guides.
clear falcon
How many ilvls is a socket worth on a trinket?
Got 2 of the same WQ haste + str proc, one 325, one 320 with a socket.
ocean onyx
Bolster is op I love it. Just needed to say that where people would understand.
clear falcon
bolster is probably the singular feature that makes me feel in any way comfy on prot warrior and I agree with you 1000%
undone sun
main stat still matters a whole lot more than secondary stats so it really depends on what piece of gear the socket is on
ocean onyx
He said trinket. Tbh do the math. How much haste do you gain for 5ilvl how much do you gain from a gem? Ignore the proc at first because usually the answer comes before you need to.
clear falcon
I did not realize how bad gems were, wow.
Okay, fair, that was a stupid question. Sorry.
I just hadn't gotten a socket yet this xpack
brave jasper
with the socket go buy a haste gem the 32 or 40 there going for ok prices. since you will be getting more main stat it's better. given higher ilvl is higher ilvl
clear falcon
wait what
i just-
I checked the thing and it said they were like +9 haste
I'm just terrible tonight I guess, good lord.
winged kindle
uhm, guys, how is the darkmon trinket for us ?
raven kernel
winged kindle
i red them, but cant find anything about bis on icyveins
raven kernel
you asked about trinket
winged kindle
yes, there is somewhere there where they talk about it ?
undone sun
sick sentinel
is it unethical to have both dps and the tank darkmoon trinket? 🤔
undone sun
no
wet hornet
Yooo. How is BFA treating prot warrior?
lethal delta
ive only just started heroics but im liking it. it feels kinda clunky compared to other tanks ive done in the past but i think thats just due to low haste and ignore pain on GCD now
lethal delta
its baseline
covert fable
look at pinned
undone sun
respec
restive orbit
into the fray still bugged eh?
lethal delta
yeah. what is the bug exactly? cus if you swap off it, it comes back and stays around. i dunno its trigger to bug out
wet hornet
Oh boy
fathom marten
So...Does anyone else find times where you're just waiting for SB to come off CD?? Have to use IP just to sub some mitigation in.
I hate how long the cd is for sb
restive orbit
all the time
amber siren
That's when you're supposed to be rotating your CD's.
lethal delta
if yer waiting, spam demo or TC in it
yeah, no real time for waiting anymore unless you know somethings coming for ignore pain
brittle bramble
☺
amber siren
no
safe pumice
what you think what better for tank - engineering or blacksmith in terms of m+?
ember arrow
alchemy
ember arrow
but it doesnt really matter that much
glad venture
Well im just going with what earns me most gold
ember arrow
professions arent that impactful like they were in the past
dont need to earn gold if i dont spend it
fathom marten
Hmm idk I swear I'm rotating cds but still have a large chunk of time where demo and sb are on cd and I'm sitting there taking it to the face with ip.
lethal delta
you spending the rage? capping?
fathom marten
More
ember arrow
AM
lethal delta
Yeah, you'll get the hang of it
im finding it very clunky 2, but its getting smoother for me
amber siren
LS w/ bolster is a 15 sec SB alone
fathom marten
I mean I'm not like dying or anything. My healer says I'm not much diffrent then healing any other tank. Just I know something's off
amber siren
Like you shouldn't be having any gaps
fathom marten
Probably just not use to it
lethal delta
maybe, you warrior tank before?
fathom marten
Yes all through legion
lethal delta
yeah that big GCD for ignore pain really throws you off then eh
fathom marten
Severely
normal cypress
Hello friends.
Should I sim my stat weights for prot like i do for DPS or is there different way?
fathom marten
Just the fact you don't hit IP as much is weird
last cargo
æ-99
lethal delta
isnt tanking harder to sim for?
amber siren
@normal cypress Follow the stat priority in the pins
amber siren
You can't sim surv and there are no prot DPS sims
round vortex
What’s up with the weird shit being posted?
ember arrow
maybe its in his pocket typing
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sleek radish
what do you think about the darkmoon trinket?
fierce juniper
spice ferry
how come prot doesn't even appear in simcraft rankings?
winged marsh
final mist
We don't have working sims yet.
spice ferry
ah
wet hornet
Neither did we in legion
cloud bone
is there anyone working on a tank trinket sheet like we had in legion that was super nice
undone sun
yes
cloud bone
sweet can't wait for that
wet hornet
Stat sticks bis again
hot locust
Yup
hot locust
Or at least as close to stat sticks as we can get.
hot locust
Sorry for my anger, blame @fierce juniper for pinging me and waking me up. 😡
undone sun
😠
hot locust
East coast US
hot locust
🛏
jade wyvern
is anyone actively working on prot dps apl? other tank classes get them out pretty quick
undone sun
the apl isn't the issue, it's afaik the back end of the spec itself
once that works an apl wouldn't be that far behind
jade wyvern
that goes over my head
cosmic cargo
the snake one is very harsh on the group but easy on the tank
haven't done the 2 locked ones yet
open pilot
kings rest has one mob in front of the last boss that does nasty things
cosmic cargo
I only had issues with the ticks
cosmic cargo
but underrot was the last i did so was like 330 or close to
next ermine
Ya I started doing them at like 315ish and haven't really had a problem at all staying alive. Mostly just my dps dying to mechanics lol
Bosses are like a joke it feels
sick sentinel
underrot ticks can die
cosmic cargo
the tree boss on waycrest hurts specially if you're a dingus like me that didn't know you have to drag him over fire
at 310-ish that hurt so much
next ermine
Ya he was my first mythic at around that lvl and I leaped to a fire and it despawned as he ran over it
So he got to like 11 stacks before I got another fire
cosmic cargo
idk how many stacks he got but was way too much
open pilot
on a side note, since you called them "locked dungeons", only your opposing faction's dungeon is locked, you can do the one on your own island
next ermine
And those zombies in Atal that spam poison bombs are stupid
Hey unlock at 7500 rep
They*
open pilot
for horde, siege does, but kings rest unlocks via doing quests
next ermine
Same for alliance
open pilot
specifically zandalar forever achievement, in the horde case
next ermine
Just opposite
cosmic cargo
you need to do a quest so locked to an extent
doing all chapters in stormsong valley for that was the worst thing I've done this expansion
doing all chapters in stormsong valley for that was the worst thing I've done this expansion
that zone is horrendous
next ermine
I didn't mind. More AP
cosmic cargo
that quilboar part fuck that
next ermine
Though I've been doing every single side quest I possibly can
steady narwhal
vocal nimbus
Which is the exact spawn rate of WQs?
forest parcel
Anyone got tips for tanking Mythic Vol'zith the Whisperer?
final mist
Every 12? hours, I think.
vocal nimbus
12 cant be
undone sun
i feel like they're more often than that
vocal nimbus
I have some at 9 am, mid afternoon, sometime past 9pm and i guess sometime during the night
because the amount i have when i check in the morning is bigger
final mist
Idk, I only do them once a day
I know they spawn at 11 am and pm my time
Which is EST
undone sun
every few hours there's a new set, like a bit over 3
ember arrow
ye same, do themn once aday
undone sun
mostly on separate timers it seems
final mist
As long as you do them all once at around the same time, you'll get all of them
vocal nimbus
I prefer to do them when they spawn, when i have too many the laziness kicks in
spare estuary
What talents do you prots use for world quests etc
amber siren
the standard ones are fine
vocal nimbus
Ye, dungeon ones
spare estuary
Thanks 😃 prot seems to be the only spec im enjoying atm 😦
vocal nimbus
Boralus opens at 7.5k?
undone sun
yes
vocal nimbus
Also, the campaign req for kings rest is accountbound?
undone sun
both dungeon unlocks are, yup
maiden dagger
So how do you guys feel about the current state of prot warriors?
undone sun
Could be better
Could be worse
sick sentinel
blockades for 50k
cosmic cargo
unless it was free I wouldn't get it
sick sentinel
its alot better than what i had and im really unlucky with trinks atm
severe steeple
WHAT SERVER IS THIS THAT YOU WANT AGI
undone sun
nexii swaps between too many discords, forget which main stat goes where
severe steeple
i also bought blockades for 60 cause i wouldn't be bothered with trinket upgrade
didn't really care
was stuck with a 280 one
today i got a 330 [Lingering Sporepods] dunno about that
cosmic cargo
a trinket from last expansion beats it defensively
restive anchor
What should I be putting inmy Sockets? The Strength Gem first then Haste after that?
restive anchor
Kraken's Eye of Strength?
grim prism
anyone else worried they're going to nerf prot damage before the tier?
@ my fellow feelycrafters
cosmic cargo
maybe, maybe not
antorus proved they don't care much about tank dps balance
warrs and dhs were miles ahead of bears
for so long
main vault
Its still one of the best defensive tank trinkets you can get at 355
If even by a tiny amount and because of the lack of true tank trinkets
cosmic cargo
it's not better than a defensive trinket from legion
or jes' howler for that matter
sure those might be on the chopping block but until then you'll have something better
main vault
Ok
I did say "one" of the best
Which it is
And if you can get it for only 50k
236 main stat is good by itself for defense
So saying avoid it like the plague is just completely wrong
cosmic cargo
a jes' howler or gleaming eye will be a lot better
and if you really want defence
then use apoc drive + rwc or ampoule
they'll serve you considerably better
the only point I see in blockades is raw ilvl to queue faster for random heroic if you don't have a group to walk into them
or get into pugs more easily
main vault
Well youd be wrong but ok, agree to disagree
cosmic cargo
so you would say that that raw str with like 40 stamina beats a ~60k absorb every ~1min?
main vault
Id say for 50k saying to avoid it is just stupid if you dont have any niche trinket
main vault
Saying that is completely wrong
I didnt say it was the best, I didnt say there wasnt better
I said saying to avoid it is wrong
But as far as defensive trinkets for BFA it is one of the best, and if its that cheap and you dont have better you have no reason not to get it
stable widget
is the heal on it still super weak
cosmic cargo
our definition of cheap is different I guess
bronze path
ive never had that much gold in my 10 year wow career
amber siren
Really? rn 50k is like an hour of herb farming
civic rivet
Making gold has never been easier dude
main vault
If you havent that means you never put in any effort
cosmic cargo
herbs must be really expensive in your realm
stable widget
if that
cosmic cargo
making gold on my realm isn't very easy unless you get quite lucky and on top of it I try to buy token when I can, which on EU is at a ridiculous price
main vault
Its tanked
severe steeple
weeeee 335ilvl
main vault
Ive played on both
cosmic cargo
most things except BoEs are relatively cheap on my realm
it's fairly small so the market is less stable
anyway like you said before, agree to disagree 🤷
tawny panther
Started my first tank alt for BFA, paladin, feels wrong they have more block than us outside of am
main vault
They do, but thats all they get, and it makes it rng for them
ember arrow
we live in 2018 while this guy is in 2019
main vault
Dungeons?
thorny canyon
you went from something less difficult
main vault
No
main vault
Just stop
thorny canyon
No
I dont need to stop
You just think progression in wow is mythic raiding
lets get a little more accurate with this question this time
how is prot warrior doing with harder content, while being slightly under geared
ie. doing mythics in heroic gear
main vault
Same answer, with a caveat
undone sun
all tank are viable
tawny panther
Prot warrior was fine for nythics day 2 for me
main vault
If you have to ask, it doesnt matter what you play
final mist
"Play what you want", is the answer.
tawny panther
On the Pala note it's not that rng since they still have their armour and stuff for actual reliable mitigation
final mist
All of the tanks will be viable for everything.
thorny canyon
thats always the answer
main vault
It is
ember arrow
geneeric answer is a correct answer
thorny canyon
Nice shill
main vault
Because if you have to ask, you dont play at a skill level where tank choice makes an impact
thorny canyon
is this car good?
tawny panther
And all the passive reductions they get seem really nice
thorny canyon
they are fine
final mist
Do you like Paladin? Play Paladin. Bear? Play it. Etc.
ember arrow
this guy
main vault
Noone is going to tell you what to play
undone sun
move on
amber siren
if you disagree with me you're a shill reeeeeeeeeee
final mist
There's no, "this car is the best car" answers either, because you're not racing in any sort of important races, now are you?
thorny canyon
lol is looking for real answers?
opinions
why is prot warrior doing better
i came here for conversation about a class spec
main vault
Its too early for this level of stupid
ember arrow
you dont ask specific questions
thorny canyon
not to be givin bull shit one word answers and sent away
final mist
We all clearly like Warriors, and Warriors are pretty good right now, since all the tank classes are pretty well balanced.
undone sun
then have a better opener
severe steeple
@thorny canyon you don't act like it
final mist
Ergo, play what you like is the answer.
tawny panther
It works fine that's all that matters
thorny canyon
nice toxicity
sick sentinel
dude check the fucking pins
tawny panther
But it's fun
sick sentinel
lmao
thorny canyon
I WANTED LIVE CONVERSATION OPINIONS
final mist
I've repeated myself for that question too often. Check out the pins for my answer / the general one most people give here.
sick sentinel
its explained there
thorny canyon
how hard is that to understand
tawny panther
I gave you some
final mist
I'm not.
thorny canyon
All of you that sat here trolling lol
undone sun
that's not toxic by any means
severe steeple
what a tantrum jesus
main vault
Bye
final mist
I can be quite a bit more toxic, as Thyme well knows. You asked if we were viable, and we gave you an answer.
You didn't like it.
undone sun
which is correct
main vault
They are
thorny canyon
Yes they are
You guys were talking about the difference between paladin and prot warrior
and how paladin has rng
thats conversation
main vault
Thats not what you asked
thorny canyon
about what makes a tank a bit more
main vault
You asked how Warriors were in progression
ember arrow
you didnt ask that though
tawny panther
I also gave you my opinion on warrior specifically about skill reliance :P
thorny canyon
lets analyze this more
main vault
You got an answer, then argued the definition of progression
thorny canyon
you guys continue
main vault
Say stupid shit, get stupid answers
severe steeple
obviously trolling dunno why you still bother
final mist
You didn't come in asking for a conversation, you asked, "how is prot war handling progression?", to which the answer is, "About as well as any other tank, it's more player skill than anything since all tanks are healer-reliant."
thorny canyon
Im sorry man but you are no contribution to this community
thanks sal
thats a bit more of an answer then fuck off basically
now goes more into, so how come we only get 2 charges?
Do we weave those between ignore pain
or just keep one charge
final mist
Because all we need is two charges to block almost everything.
hoary spade
just wanted to have some nice banter about prot and this is what i see lmao
tawny panther
Longer duration than say paladin am. Use them then roll through CDs. Keep a charge of you know something is coming up in next 18 odd seconds
That needs am
thorny canyon
Whats the deal with aggro gaining?
final mist
You use IP when you're high on Rage and have nothing else to do.
thorny canyon
even if I pull first
undone sun
threat has been nerfed, do more damage
thorny canyon
Yeah i saw that
final mist
Hit your abilities, then. You shouldn't have threat issues.
tawny panther
Avatar before charge if you need to. Use thunder clap first before demo
thorny canyon
but aoe threat gain is what I am mostly referring too
rustic urchin
im so confused with tha talents idk tbh what the best in dungeons and raids in the future i checked some out but all are diffrent
thorny canyon
talking M+ respectively
tawny panther
It's like 4 seconds but revenge if it is
thorny canyon
ok 😃
tawny panther
Shockwave is a backup
final mist
Fluffy, our talents don't really change, they're the same for pretty much everything.
We have no talent choices.
thorny canyon
Ive never touched prot warrior in my wow playtime, so trying to learn this off spec for guildies.
sorry for hassle.
cheers
undone sun
best to learn from experience
rustic urchin
i mean is punish better the victory at lvl 15 talent?
thorny canyon
ok, ill check there, thanks dan
tawny panther
No to both fluff tho
undone sun
but most of the time ITF is better
final mist
Short answer, no. Long answer, Punish is "better", but the Haste will get you a lot more, so you just always take ItF.
tawny panther
General use go itf
rustic urchin
punish shoule be good against single target imo
tawny panther
Single target magic continuous damage punish CAN be better
But just go itf and forget about it
undone sun
ITF now benefits from allies and enemies
so in 5mans it's almost a given you'll get full benefit
undone sun
i don't think so
tawny panther
What about say imps
rustic urchin
anger management or heavy?
undone sun
always AM
tawny panther
1st one
final mist
Imps are combat minions.
tawny panther
Fair
tawny panther
Rarely matters since imps ranged and between allies and enemies often capped but it's interesting stuff
vocal nimbus
im having a blast leveling as prot
half jewel
it felt too slow for me to do that
vocal nimbus
dunno, im deleting everything
jump, dragon charge, regular charge
group up 20 mobs
do 20k dps
compared to brm this is bliss
rustic urchin
hmm what talent should i take on the lvl 60 talent sry to bother
vocal nimbus
bolster
undone sun
always bolster
rustic urchin
Thanks ❤
shrewd rampart
Deafening Crash the best dmg azerite trait for prot ?
sick sentinel
@vocal nimbus on what lvl u can take 20mobs?
I find lack of healing in prot very annoying
stiff juniper
Deafening crash, brace for impact, and iron fortress are apparently the go to traits right now
From what I've seen
leaden carbon
orb of sethralis bugged for me, any tip?
dense salmon
Just lookd at the new sims from simcraft and prot warrior isnt even listed there XD
for some reason all other tank are there
cosmic cargo
simply because no one has done it yet
takes a lot of work to actually make the coding for it
vocal nimbus
@sick sentinel i meant while leveling, i reached lvl 117
sick sentinel
yy when lvling still no healing
vocal nimbus
i have one of those healing traits
you can always focus one and chain victory rush 🤷
rocky plank
Just pull a fk load of mobs and Avatar thunderclap smash them, they die so fast that u have endless victory rush
junior ivy
im 327.81 ilvl now 😄
cosmic cargo
gz
ember arrow
mythics should be easy peasy now no
amber siren
@junior ivy damn, nice
arctic mountain
Are we supposed to take a shitload of dmg at 305 in heroics or is it just early expansion dmg?
junior ivy
will this work in bfa gear?
sick sentinel
yep I think we do @arctic mountain
undone sun
comparatively prot warr is one of the highest damage output tank
arctic mountain
Yeah but I wanna survive 😛
sick sentinel
dmg is nice, but other tanks has also decent dmg and can heal themselves
arctic mountain
But it kinda feels like playing a punching bag who 2 different reduce damage taken abilities
amber siren
your shield will make a very big difference in damage taken
sick sentinel
Im starting to think of rerolling, ebcause of few recent situations, where 2 dps and me as tank was left and boss had 12% hp, couldnt finish him even when kiting well because I was getting little dmg every few seconds, and after 3 min I eventually died, 1healing ability and I could do it solo (had similar 3 situations)
arctic mountain
Yeah I have a 210 shield because I leveled as Fury xD
amber siren
yeah 210 is a bit yikers
junior ivy
why not use artifact shield at that point loll
i use artifact weapons for fury while tryin to get new ones
trheyre 262 ilvl
rancid palm
Buy A 300 shield from the AH its like 5k
severe steeple
timid jay
With a 210 shield you're gonna feel the hurt
vestal sparrow
we want haste gems/food right and we go for str flask and potions?
paper ivy
SW
amber siren
@vestal sparrow I think str food is just as good? not sure if the 1 str gem is worth it in sockets either. but yes to str flasks/pots
cosmic cargo
str food is only feast
amber siren
yeah i know
ember arrow
@sick sentinel wat are u talking about. Prot has best physical .etigation in the game ontop of having many cds with one of few remaining dedicated magic DR in the form of SR
Also again, not everything must have self healing...
half jewel
i feel like most ppl think prot is bad because they are use to all the other tanks who can self heal. Whereas back in the day it didnt really exist
ember arrow
Dk is the only tank with meaningful self healing
In raids and high dmg intake only dk selfhealing will save healer casts
All other tanks self heals are basically like IP
rain bridge
Hey there, did anyone try out Devastator in dungeons ? I know BV is the recommended go to talent on this row, but I played with it a bit and I found that devastator was working pretty fine seeing how much stuff we got to cram in our limited gcds, especially in dungeons where we're pretty much swimming in rage and free revenges. I'd be happy if someone else had some feedback on this 😃
weary notch
when you have a healer, that's true. But people not in the know who try to solo quest as prot may think "wow, this is awful"
devastator is worse in all situations
void quail
In solo questing Victory rush is a beast self-heal
weary notch
it's really not. It's 20%
void quail
When you pull 20 mobs and get it 15 times in a row?
amber siren
@rain bridge GCD's aren't the problem, it's rage gen which BV is the only option in the tier for. There's no content rn where devastator would be beneficial for you to use.
weary notch
sure, but when you're soloing an elite and there aren't many other mobs around
void quail
That on top of Ignore Pain + Shield block.. You really should have 0 problems solo questing
weary notch
I just started leveling my prot pally and the questing difference is night and day
the prot pally feels far, FAR stronger when leveling. When you have a healer, they're comparable, but if you don't know better, you feel MUCH weaker leveling as a prot war
peak hazel
weary notch
I find it less fun. I do enjoy, ret, though
final mist
I'm enjoying Protadin more than Warrior atm, which is why I made the swap.
undone sun
likewise
weary notch
I just find it kind of dull unless you like being able to help the group. There's not a lot of decision making in your rotation in protadin
sick sentinel
Which piece is worth buying in the AH?
main vault
Any that are 350
ember arrow
@final mist dk in my case
sick sentinel
Obviously, but are there any "bis" ones?
main vault
Unless they have a 355 or etc all the 350s are bis
ilvl is king
shield is the most important piece
Crushproof Vambraces, Cinch of the Sainted Guard, whatever the legs are called
Crushproof is from the raid so unless someones found a way
Id buy a BoE in the slot he has the lowest ilvl over one with the best stats
sick sentinel
Why is hast so important for war prot instead of Mastry ?
The main stat should by Mastery, no ?
undone sun
explain why you think mastery
sick sentinel
Because mastery increase blocking with the shild
It's important to me, reducing damage
ember arrow
Thats an easy way to look at things
main vault
Cant block if you dont lower the CD to be able to have it up
Would you rather block more things or less things
ember arrow
Its better to reduce dmg consistently than alot of dmg half the time
main vault
If blocking less meant you took slightly less dmg from the hit
Haste also works with SS and etc, so generates more rage to spend on activities
sick sentinel
Hmmm I see, and what's the stat to reduce damage that I take ?
ember arrow
Strength>haste
sick sentinel
Yeah I still have the same issue during the begin of fight, I do not have enough rage
ember arrow
Then other secondaries
sick sentinel
I didn't knew that haste reduce taken damage, no it makes sens to me
Thanks for the explanation 😃
main vault
It doesnt directly
But more haste means lower cd on Shield Block and Shield Slam for rage and etc
undone sun
no
main vault
Ravager
undone sun
never
main vault
Lul
main vault
Tell him to quit life
digital chasm
that it was good*
ember arrow
Tell him to reconsider extending wow sub
karmic void
Tell him that knowing how to tank when you are not one isnt vital to life or playing wow
Just in case the neckbeards tell him to quit life or something
ember arrow
Why are you feeling attacked on behalf of someone else
karmic void
Putting out positive vibes is all
main vault
Putting out positive vibes by putting out negative vibes on others
Your logic is crisp
robust bronze
Are protection warrior kinda shit atm? feels like i ask so much from the healer
main vault
Naw just their style
ember arrow
The context of that "he should quit life" statement. Ravager has been a bad ability for a long time. So bad in fact it has become a meme. Telling someone to quit life for not knowing that is an exaggerated way of pointing out it is in fact a bad ability @karmic void
main vault
Play a Monk then talk about asking much from a healer
ember arrow
If i need to spell it out
@robust bronze best phys metigation in the game
Many cds
robust bronze
has shield alt to say tho? cuz i have not gotten a shield to drop its 284 currently, but average ilvl is 332
main vault
Shield is most important bit
ember arrow
Shield is huuge
dark junco
Is skyhold.gg still maintained?
digital chasm
Can you tank mythics at 320ish?
ember arrow
Easily
main vault
320 is what most reasonable groups ask for
undone sun
can do it at lower than 280
ember arrow
320 makes it puggable
main vault
In a guild group you can do it at 120
vagrant cape
Can someone explain to me why I randomly get thrown up into the air on trash in shrine of the storms? Does that elemental have something to do with it?
tidal quarry
Big elementals cast it
vagrant cape
I got caught in it a few times on heroic and it'll wipe me on mythic
tidal quarry
Just gotta make sure group is topped.
vagrant cape
Oh, it's unavoidable? Yeesh
tidal quarry
You can avoid pulling both the elementals at the start though I’m sure.
vagrant cape
That's definitely the goal from now on
tidal quarry
Can easily avoid the first one between the stairs.
vagrant cape
Yeah, I thought that first one was a boss so I jumped right down instead of taking the stairs XD
tidal quarry
If you move to the left side, then head down and round the back of the statue at the bottom of the stairs, you can skip round the side of them and then jump down the side of the stairs, just be sure not to fall haha
vagrant cape
Thanks! Good to know
fast oxide
Evening all.
ember arrow
👋
fast oxide
I've levelled 3 tanks now, still don't have the stones to tank even a normal dungeon (i have done one dungeon as dps due to stupid queues). Not sure how to gain the balls!
plain oasis
just queue up for it!
If it goes wrong blame the healer :-)
(joking!!)
fast oxide
Yeah. I'll give it a go! Warrior is quite enjoyable right now.
junior ivy
are you alliance? on NA realms?
fast oxide
Horde on EU...:)
toxic wadi
what is Prot's class fantasy?
storm valley
Do you have 100% critical blocks if your block chance is >200%?
native coyote
I was kinda in the same situation. Not that I doubt my ability to tank ... I just tend to not know the way though the dungeon
fast oxide
Mostly same Psonica.
ember arrow
@storm valley crit, the secodnary stats doenst affect critblock
fast oxide
I'm not 120 on my warrior yet.
ember arrow
critblock is affected by mastery
block chance also is not same to critblock chance
u roll blockchance first
then critblock
critblock is equal to your mastery %
zealous heart
@toxic wadi non magical fighter being a God dammed badass and punching dragons in the face angrily
toxic wadi
rofl
storm valley
so there's no difference between 100% block and 199% block?
ember arrow
nope
storm valley
I was under the impression back in Wrath or Cata it was like
each % over 100 gave you a % extra chance to crit block
ember arrow
critblock chance now is same % as your mastery %