To add to that, keep all your deafening crash gear within 20 ilvls of what you're wearing in case you find an upgrade and don't want to lose DC
#protection
vagrant cape
sick sentinel
hot locust
damage is ok, nothing crazy though.
strong forum
i have a 335 Briny Barnacle and its like 1-4% dmg
hot locust
Like I said your best bet is the WQ trinkets or the couple from atal'dazar and Underrot.
copper lark
last thing, weak aura for veng tracking?
hot locust
On use STR with Avatar is pretty nuts.
strong forum
i have 340 lingering Spore and 325+socket Rezan
dont really have on use STR i think
sick sentinel
ew vengeance
hot locust
Vengeance is pretty bad overall.
sick sentinel
boom boom life always.
demo shout all the things, all the time, much damage gain, less damage taken.
more rage more life
synergizes with AM/Avatar life and Deafening Crash.
plain vapor
other one is 325
chilly barn
are there any races better than others ? Horde side ? even if the difference is small is there a best one ?
plain vapor
guess ill use this till i get a better 340 weapon with stats
strong forum
belf is best for dungeons
sick sentinel
troll haste.
cosmic cargo
belf and both cows for m+
copper lark
is anyone prioing Crackling THunder over Bounding?
cosmic cargo
they're both QoL talents so pick as you prefer really
I'd generally always take CT in dungeons unless packs are all quite tight
strong forum
i always take bounding cuz of that sweet mobility
i dont see any value in CT
since base TC is quite large
copper lark
are we in a 'good spot' right now? I feel like in some dungeons im getting absoutely blasted and am worried for keystones
strong forum
just leap over
and TC
boom done
charge back
if i want to mulitpull i charge into 1st pack, TC leap into neck pack and charge back
ez
or run in TC charge, leap back
but snuk we're in a good spot i'd say
im having 0 issues
never wiped more than once in a dungeon and that was mostly due to over-ninja-pulling and even then it mostly doesnt end up a wipe
red oyster
How do you sim tank stat priority?
strong forum
you dont
red oyster
How do these sites determine stat priority then?
strong forum
haste = more rage
sick sentinel
Only times wiping is pugs heroics because retards ignoring boss mechanics.
sick sentinel
Mythics been smooth tho w/ guild
strong forum
been pugging everything so far, but i got ahead really fast and only matched with good players
plain gyro
so prot has 0 healing at all or what?
strong forum
define healing
sick sentinel
Sustain?
plain gyro
what if my healer dies at 15% on a easy boss am i just going to die because i have 0 healing?
strong forum
you wont if you play properly
red oyster
I mean you can say that haste does this and mastery does that while verse does so and so but until you know the breakdown per stat point and how effective it is per point you can't just say haste > mastery=verse. Period.
All you are doing is assuming
strong forum
utilize your CDs
red oyster
I want to know valid sources
strong forum
that i dont know about
but thats just my common sense tingling i reckon
if its an easy boss rustled you will hardly require healing @plain gyro
just make sure to keep up IP and SB
sick sentinel
Haste>vers>=mastery
red oyster
Again you arent really answering my question, thanks though
strong forum
i know
red oyster
Not you Beth
strong forum
gotta ask the big boi
sick sentinel
Oh ok.
strong forum
sick sentinel
strong forum
thats maroks spreadsheet
red oyster
I mean my question isn't really "What are they" it's just "how are they determined" so I can do my best to meet my priorities
strong forum
if that helps you
red oyster
Ok thanks
red oyster
Thats actually exactly what I wanted thanks
Where did you find that? didnt see it in the pins
red oyster
Oh ok
errant dagger
I wonder if we got a buff or a little change before the new raid comes out ๐ค
strong forum
i reckon we will get a nerf
errant dagger
Why would we get a nerf? And who do you think will get a buff ?
hot locust
I think we'll get a nerf to UF most likely.
strong forum
a nerf cuz our damage is roughly 30%higher than any other tank
red oyster
!bis
sick sentinel
im fine with that. long as not a mitigation nerf vs a DPS nerf. although it really helps our aoe threat atm.
hot locust
viscid swift
thanks ๐
errant dagger
I wish we would get something like the monk passiv celestial fortune
strong forum
i feel like im doing something wrong in the spreadsheet, IP sums up to 21k absorb with my input of stats, but on live its 24k
i think that spreadsheet is pre-IP-Buff
cosmic cargo
nom on ST monks have comparable dps potential, maybe higher
but that's abusing a dps trait
which might be changed
strong forum
potential =/= reality
prot damage is a reality that might be changed soon
which im dreading
cosmic cargo
saw some ridiculous sims on the monk discord of people's actual chars
strong forum
define ridiculous
cosmic cargo
1k ahead of my pala which seraphim at same ilvl
strong forum
give a number
cosmic cargo
8k
strong forum
thats not too ridiculous
cosmic cargo
most tanks struggle getting close to 7k in sims
strong forum
im sitting at 5.6k
cosmic cargo
pala is pretty much the only other that can
strong forum
actual gameplay not sims
strong forum
its still a known fact that our aoe dps is much higher than any other tank
cosmic cargo
yes
strong forum
which is why we will likely see a nerf
strong forum
^
strong forum
well they buffed TC in prepatch
cosmic cargo
the gap between dh/warr and bear was laughable
strong forum
they must have a reason for it
prisma crane
plus it's only in AoE
and we all know how well "balanced" M+ tanks were...
lookin at you DKs DH in Legion
in raids we were fairly even
cosmic cargo
dps was never what made dk shine though
prisma crane
im not saying it was
cosmic cargo
they were the weakest in terms of aoe dps always
prisma crane
thats not my point
my point is that M+ balance isnt as high prio as raid balance for tanks
cosmic cargo
yeah I get it now
prisma crane
and our AoE potential only really shines in M+
cosmic cargo
they could make changes in 8.1 but doubt before
humble oar
is there any stand out trinkets for us, that I should look into?
prisma crane
rocky pond
anyone got stat weights?
strong forum
taunt as soon as he kicks you
floral hatch
Avoid the back hand though, or you're going to be mimicking a pinball.
strong forum
ye
crude hound
That's irritating
humble oar
I believe they only throw you as far as your furthest party member so if peeps stand close its not so bad
crude hound
The launch is the least fun ability I've seen
floral hatch
The pulls with two are the best.
strong forum
when the enforcers launches you just right ๐
crude hound
so the best option is to have your ranged stack closer
strong forum
well the landing does do damage doesnt it
floral hatch
I believe so
crude hound
so have the ranged spread around, but closer to the trash?
atm in this mythic im doing a warlock keeps standing at max range
its pissing me off
twilit hamlet
vocal nimbus
best strat for yazma's spiders?
solemn current
I know the DMC trinket is weak and all but is it worth 60K if you're sitting on ~310 trinkets?
uncut fractal
@vocal nimbus Where is that?
vocal nimbus
ataldazar last boss
vocal nimbus
@solemn current 60k is a pretty good deal
uncut fractal
Are they targetable? can't remember
vocal nimbus
nah
uncut fractal
I thought you just have to dodge them
vocal nimbus
they explode on contact
uncut fractal
I usually tank him in the center to have room
vocal nimbus
but spawn randomly afaik
cosmic cargo
I ate a few when not much was happening
or some dps/healer when full hp
was my first m0 and we didn't have hero so was a long ass fight
blissful pawn
Is alchemist stone worth changing professions for?
cosmic cargo
isn't it only 300?
blissful pawn
I believe, Icyveins is say it's bis tho
blissful pawn
kk thanks
sick sentinel
alchemist stone is boe anyway.
cosmic cargo
but you need alchemy to use it
plain gyro
dudes prot is fun af, i didnt play legion prot but i like this wayyy more then WOTLK/Cata/MOP was scared to roll one because everyone saying they trash and unfun ๐
cosmic cargo
unfun is subjective, trash is straight up wrong
plain gyro
lol but yeah i always got some to press which is what i want hate downtime fun for me
little star
Alchemy is only needed for the 40% extra from healing tonics on the alchemy stone
cosmic cargo
maybe the new one, in legion you definitely needed
little star
You've never needed alchemy to use the trinket
cosmic cargo
I know I swapped in 1 char for the astral stone back in 7.3
yes you definitely did
level 1 only though
cosmic cargo
how much for?
plain gyro
sold or solod lol
crimson sentinel
It's not like the m0 are hard tanking wise
junior ivy
yes they are!
maiden brook
๐ค
crimson sentinel
You can make them harder by not stunning or interrupting anything ๐
Or just join a pug
ember arrow
epic gamer
plain gyro
Troll or Orc?
rapid wasp
do prot warr have any BiS buyable gear?
ember arrow
for what
rancid palm
What are best Azerite traits for dmg?
twin hazel
just extremely expensive
junior ivy
the expac literally just came out, of course mythics are hard right now
uneven mason
tiny rapids
or any pvp that cant stop ADADADADADDDAADADA
plain gyro
whats the addon called that shows seconds left on cds
rapid wasp
im using the threatplates ui but feel like I get into trouble sometimes when I loose aggro and I accidently use taunt on something else because the bars are so damn hard to click when they are all stacked
anyone know anything better or is it just my settings that is wrong?
errant ledge
cosmic cargo
even default plates do
vocal nimbus
Are you using default platrs?
If you are then the option is in interface>names
If you are using an addon you will have to find such addon's settings and search the option therr
rapid wasp
fk it I could also just take kui name plates lol
silver pagoda
prot warriors sleeper op?
cosmic cargo
very possibly
main vault
KUI and elvui are literally the same as threatplates
restive mauve
I would like better self healing
main vault
Here goes this again
restive mauve
But then again idk how it is with azerite pieces
twin hazel
I think we need a rage dump heal off the GCD
restive mauve
Dont have any powers on my mythic pieces
Impending victory could fill that too, haven't tried
twin hazel
but then we wouldnt have Into the fray
restive mauve
I think into the fray will be less and less important
The further we get into xpac
Comfy rage gen without it and impending victory could be good i think
main vault
IV is bad tho
twin hazel
15% haste is hard to pass up with the other options
restive mauve
It is bad ye
strong forum
TFW you finally get 2 mastery haste rings and now have 15% base haste
strong forum
thats a bad preposition
main vault
IV will save you if the healer dies?
strong forum
you dont take talents "in case your healer dies"
twin hazel
VR will save you if your healer dies if you get kills, youre not in that position enough to bother picking it
lucid ginkgo
Considering how this expansion is designed for tanks, if the healer dies you're all dead anyway.
twin hazel
with our damage getting VR procs shouldnt be an issue if that happens
strong forum
you cant justify anything over ITF besides punish in fights where literally noone is around you
restive mauve
Just saying that if you're alive with healer without ITF or Shield Slam one
Might as well take impending victory on dungs with RNG oneshots
undone sun
๐ค
lucid ginkgo
If they're RNG one shots, and you're dead, how's that IV gonna save you?
Considering you are dead.
restive mauve
Rng oneshots dont generally apply to tanks
little star
๐
restive mauve
High enough m+
strong forum
no
lucid ginkgo
What was RNG about Hyrja?
lucid ginkgo
Not a single thing.
little star
there is nothing like hyrja in bfa
undone sun
There's one shots from hyrja, yes but not rng
restive mauve
I mean it kinda is
undone sun
The fight is incredibly predictable
little star
that would be because the movement was bad not rng
lucid ginkgo
That's because you may have been doing it wrong and not letting that happen
Which was very easy using her tank buster to send you from one side to another
restive mauve
I mean yes, positioning is the root of it
But once you got into that situation
Rng oneshots could happen
lucid ginkgo
A situation you can avoid with 100% consistency
undone sun
little star
๐ค
lucid ginkgo
That is not a talent that saves you kind of a thing, that's the kind of thing where we tell you that you were doing some fundamentally wrong with the fight to begin with
restive mauve
I personally use shield slam talent for better ST burst
compact sigil
hey guys, any good way to generate stat weights for prot at the moment?
restive mauve
But I can see the uses of impending victory in some situations
main vault
I cant
restive mauve
Think harder
little star
not at the moment @compact sigil the ones on the icy veins page are the best until we get working sims
plain gyro
CD to long
little star
IV is a trash talent and will stay trash
plain gyro
impending victory should be 15s
compact sigil
ty for the answer
lucid ginkgo
Those situations are fixed by actually being good at playing the game. When you hit that point, the talent is useless.
main vault
At this point you are memeing, and I bid you adieu
restive mauve
I would personally never use it but to say that its not better in ANY situation is just simply wrong
lucid ginkgo
You're correct. There are situations where it may save you. These situations can be entirely avoided, however, and will be.
Or rather, should be.
At that point, you have gotten good.
main vault
It's not better in any situation where you aren't playing like shit
restive mauve
Yeah, but to claim that even good players never do wrong is just ridiculous
copper lark
is darkmoon card blockades worth a buy?
stray wedge
look people can't advise you on your own propensity to spend gold
main vault
Clutch never does wrong
stray wedge
the effect is shit
lucid ginkgo
Hey, I'm human, I make mistakes in gameplay.
But I know a shit talent when I smell one.
stiff orbit
Clutch? Mistakes? Nah
stray wedge
Clutch? Human? Nah
stiff orbit
Also that
lucid ginkgo
I'm a piece of a metal you step on
stiff orbit
Have met, can confirm
no, you're a piece of metal that makes my car go forward and backward
the piece of metal I step on to work you is the Clutch PEDAL
you doof
lucid ginkgo
I will hit you at Blizzcon
stiff orbit
Bullshit you will
lucid ginkgo
And shave your stupid thing you call a beard
restive mauve
Just raising the point that if you can comfortably tank without ITF or punish, and you have a "bad" healer that tends to die or not heal you, might be worth considering impending victory
lucid ginkgo
Where's my suit and tie
restive mauve
That is an usage area I see for it
stiff orbit
BLACK TIE
twin hazel
I feel like some shots are going off
stiff orbit
Nah, this is just how me and Clutch communicate
lucid ginkgo
That is a point, Aris, but here's the problem with that situation. No one plans to play around people fumbling over their own feet, the same way people expect people to know what they're doing.
Those situations you've described, yeah IV may save you there, however big thing is those situations shouldn't be happening to begin with.
stiff orbit
restive mauve
I mean, if you do runs with a healer you know is bad, sure you can plan for it
lucid ginkgo
And no one plans around "what should not happen will happen"
restive mauve
Not that uncommon of a situation imo
twin hazel
why play with someone you know is bad ๐
stiff orbit
There's also a difference between planning for setbacks
and planning for SNAFU
which is what taking IV is for
(ergo, nobody plans for SNAFU don't do it)
restive mauve
You'd rather be able to play and have a healer than not play at all, no?
lucid ginkgo
If the healer friend you have is playing poorly, you take it easy on them by not pulling as aggressively, and CCing; that'll go miles further than taking a less than ideal talent.
stiff orbit
mmhmm
lucid ginkgo
You make it easier on them if you want to stick it out, you don't plan for them failing.
twin hazel
Without taking ITF you are hurting yourself over the whole fight, for a choice that saves you for a small possibility
stiff orbit
Basically, why talent for it when you can just pull slower to allow them to heal more easily?
that's free, resource-wise as well
restive mauve
In my experience planning for failure tends to make the run smoother depending on how bad they are
stiff orbit
(as it doesn't cost you rage and a GCD and compete with your other mitigation)
restive mauve
Not gonna claim this is absolute or anything but I strongly feel this way
lucid ginkgo
You're planning for failure in a less than ideal way, which i believe has been the main thing being said to you here before I chimed in
stiff orbit
that's what I was seeing anyway
twin hazel
Youre planning for failure by setting yourself up for failure
undone sun
you obviously want to have a plan for failure but not centering your entire play around it
stiff orbit
^^^^
you're also cutting yourself off at the knees comparatively, for that use case
which is dumb
But that's just me
lucid ginkgo
The only time you could have made an argument for IV would have been in ToT when tier could have it proc off shield slam, and even then that's literal RNG.
plain gyro
It seems like every dungeon has alot of non-elite mobs for shit load of victory rushes
lucid ginkgo
Also, Low
stiff orbit
Talking about how broken that tier bonus was and we're all going "Uhhhhh nooooooo lmao"
restive mauve
I mean, 1 victory rush if you have rage for other stuff buys you a few seconds depending on the mobs
lucid ginkgo
I did all the mythics on my warr and have them saved. You should watch them to see the dungeons in full run as a prot warr
๐
stiff orbit
I've done four of them
restive mauve
Im not gonna say the talent is good
twin hazel
heres what needs to happen to make IV good. Bake it in, remove the cooldown, take it off GCD keep the rage thats fine. create a new talent in the first tier thats actually decent.
lucid ginkgo
The dungeons ar epretty good.
restive mauve
But I will to my death claim that it has situations its good
lucid ginkgo
You know what else is gonna be great?
lucid ginkgo
When people realize how many mechanics are involved on trash per dungeon
fuck me can't use cross server emotes here
stiff orbit
xD
undone sun
clutch
lucid ginkgo
Harro
undone sun
please
twin hazel
Marok is best God
stiff orbit
SOLEMN PROTECTION CHAT IS SOLEMN
twin hazel
all Hail the Odyn
stiff orbit
I'll check out your vods later tho Clutch
I didn't stream any of mine
for now it's food time
restive mauve
I like punish for ST burst especially now that people tend to not know what trash does or what to focus
twin hazel
but if you have haste your Tclap can be doing more damage then shield slam
๐
and goes off more often
and is aoe
glass sequoia
anyone have a good weakaura for GCD indicator so I can properly time my fucking charge+ip combo
restive mauve
Last time I checked thunderclap doesn't crit 20k
little star
Avatar + ThunderClap + DS = big boi dmg
plain gyro
Fuck ye
plain gyro
I just tried a class trial of dk and did some dungeons
I sit there for like 3-5 seconds some times nothign to press
Warr ftw
little star
you can't base a class off 110 trial lol
plain gyro
sure i can
glass sequoia
go Vengeance DH, it's actually good AND you press everythgin @plain gyro
plain gyro
you have evven less stats at 120
restive mauve
Thunderclap doing more than SL is something I havr never experienced but I guess I'll try
lucid ginkgo
I mean, you can but it won't be fair
last hull
its dk. he's not far off
plain gyro
so if i have nothing to press with a 110 boost with more stats then i do at 120, means 120 will feel even worse
restive mauve
This is strictly speaking for ST dps as this is the reasoning for my talent choices
twin hazel
when are we ever really ST?
abstract adder
@lucid ginkgo can you dm your runs through the dungeons as prot
restive mauve
Some mobs have a big prio
glass sequoia
I'm trying my hardest to stick to prot, but goddamn other classes wrap that shit up so nicely without having to struggle half as much
who here had to do a few takes on 3rd boss in Temple of Sethraliss?
restive mauve
In my experience these prio mobs cause wipes more than anything else
twin hazel
Thats tfor the actual DPS to deal with
lucid ginkgo
@abstract adder I can DM, sure. Some are being uploaded to youtube atm, but the rest are highlighted on twitch. Do you have a preference?
twin hazel
our priority is damaging everything else well so that then the dps can make quicker work of it
lucid ginkgo
they are FULL runs with my commentary + guildies
so you can hear us breaking things down and shooting the shit
plain gyro
Whats your twitch clutch
tender ermine
Is it worth to have 2 traits (head and shoulder) parts with deafening crash?
restive mauve
Quite handy to do 6k dps on bosses instead of 4k too
abstract adder
@lucid ginkgo if itson twitch just dm me your stream โบ๏ธ
undone sun
click on his discord name
plain gyro
I been refreshing twitch the last 2 days and yet to see anybody play prot warrior, some of the good tanks are on there 3rd 120 tank but no warr lol
undone sun
it's linked to his profile
little star
ClutchVS
lucid ginkgo
I'll post it in the #promotion channel for anyone else that's curious too. dunno how strict things have become with links
last hull
2 usable items from full mythic clear (y)
little star
would be nice to see how you handle the dungeons and see what you do when and why
plain gyro
Was a +10 considerd high on the beta?
gleaming cliff
blood dk seems so nice compaerd to prot i take way less dmg and its smootheer
so easy
lucid ginkgo
There you go
little star
ppl were doing 14s and 15s in 380? gear so not too high
last hull
no damage meter, clutch? how do you know if you beat the dps?
lucid ginkgo
Posted in #promotion @abstract adder
Should be one shown up
I can beat our mages and shamans in AOE
And a sub rogue
That being said, I have no idea how good any of those specs are for AOE / Cleave ๐
plain gyro
thats weird
frost mage is best cleaver
slash aoe
ive got 100k screenshots on aoe of my 310 mage lol
steady berry
So whats a good place for stat weights cause Raidbot says they dont support the spec yet
glass sequoia
are you running devastator @lucid ginkgo
lucid ginkgo
No.
plain gyro
Man there must be 0 tanks, on a 110 healer just to check que times and its 15 min ๐
glass sequoia
how much are you pressing Dev
lucid ginkgo
I'm running the talent set up recommended by both Marok and Sal
last hull
you seem overly squishy in the last vod. what ilvl are you clutch?
lucid ginkgo
Not that often.
glass sequoia
I can't really track your keypresses but it looks like barely any devs
lucid ginkgo
~335
glass sequoia
@last hull always gonna be that way
sick sentinel
best tanks for Mythic dungs are atm DH and DK?
last hull
nah, was the maggots in underrot. missed it
lucid ginkgo
Those maggots are ridiculous.
glass sequoia
oh, the maggots will destroy anything
lucid ginkgo
^
glass sequoia
there's literally no tank in the game
lucid ginkgo
One of their melees is like 3 stacks worth
glass sequoia
that can handle them
lucid ginkgo
And it's physical damage.
sick sentinel
and stay away.
last hull
yea, went in blind for my mythic today. nice surprise
sick sentinel
pretty dumb dumb.
glass sequoia
save your SW for 2 seconds after pulling them
ripe breach
how is the darkmoon card for us?
sick sentinel
and/or have pally ready with BOP to clear stacks.
glass sequoia
so once you get some burst on them, then SW before they apply and just run
last hull
i charge in swave clap leap the fuck out
jade socket
@ripe breach not good
glass sequoia
nah, they take about 1-2 seconds to apply
use that time to capitalize
otherwise they'll catch up
lucid ginkgo
Just remember that we're generating a lot less threat now than before, so as they take longer to die on higher mythics, you're gonna need to generate aggro
glass sequoia
TD doesn't slow em enough
last hull
i got dps for that
sick sentinel
dwarfs can remove these maggot debuffs with racial?
glass sequoia
Flask trinket is one of the best for us rn right?
lucid ginkgo
have that pocket rogue / Hunter and MD awaaaaay
little star
you can skip both packs of the Ticks in The Underrot dungeon
lucid ginkgo
It went to the gym
glass sequoia
bro that thing's saved us so many times
I'll get swamped and a shammy pops that thing
lucid ginkgo
Yeah, it's really clutch at saving a wipe
glass sequoia
Literally earth elemental is best tank in BFA right now
fleet vigil
hey guys, im looking for some good stat weights to put into pawn, cant sim my character as simc doesnt support prot warrior i guess
last hull
like, i charge in a pack, get overrun and rip. corpserun back and its still tanking away
dont use pawn
lucid ginkgo
I also don't think it can't be overstated enough, you're going to need to learn trash mobs mechanics in every dungeon more than ever before.
glass sequoia
@fleet vigil don't worry about it right now, pure upgrades are the best, but Haste Mastery are top two
blizz's change to stats making them static-ish means it's not as dramatic as before
lucid ginkgo
There's going to be a lot more educating on trash mechanics
Yeh buddy, fem orc best orc
Just waiting on mag'har
glass sequoia
@lucid ginkgo likes to peg dudes
plain gyro
๐
lucid ginkgo
Keep watching Tall Dagger
And see what I do with the next shield I get
Sorry, Tol'Dagor
Got the other riot shield and gave it to one of the shamans
btw ifyou don't call Tol'Dagor and Atal'Dazor by their new names, Tall Dagger and A Tall Door, I'm going to be upset
twin hazel
LUL
glass sequoia
nice waste of money idyeet
last hull
jelly
lucid ginkgo
I'm trying to get rid of this 350 boe mace but no one's buying
strong forum
i feel you
strong forum
if i would'nt've bought the boe i would still have a 285 shield
glass sequoia
you think I got mcdonald's job money to spend on tokens to buy BoE items?
last hull
yeah, felt pretty much immortal when i equipped mine
twin hazel
you cant afford <5000 gold?
lucid ginkgo
when raid's open up, legit start sacrificing your beards, goats, draenei men so that you get a shield from the raid ASAFP
twin hazel
exactly
our shield is our most important piece atm
if you dont want to dish out gold to help yourself then idk
lucid ginkgo
i need that shield
glass sequoia
that's twice as much
lucid ginkgo
that honorable shield
stiff orbit
I need
lucid ginkgo
for true orc mog
twin hazel
10k is chump change
stiff orbit
A SHIELD,
twin hazel
what server are you on?
lucid ginkgo
zul'jin
glass sequoia
KJ
lucid ginkgo
FACK
stiff orbit
#rekt
twin hazel
if you said zuljin then i had you
glass sequoia
get cucked
lol dw about it, i already bought it
just watch, imma get a mythic shield now
twin hazel
well now you can actually run mythics without getting destroyed
chilly brook
So just curious if you get the one handed from Waycrest is it worth using if itโs like a 15ilvl upgrade? Since it lacks secondary stats and all
Tfw you have a 345 shield from Mythic Temple ๐
glass sequoia
the difference isn't all that big, my main source of damage taken comes from that poor timing where SB is recharging and a pack of 4 butchers a 24k IP like it's a snack
lucid ginkgo
I think there's some relation you want to make from that weapon to what you have, because don't forget that raw strength is also armor
stiff orbit
true
glass sequoia
i hate GCD so much now
stiff orbit
I'm just annoyed that I eat eaten alive by mobs between shield block charges now
sick sentinel
any aprox stat weights for prot? there is no on icy veins
ember arrow
ilvl>haste>rest
chilly brook
Mobs arenโt too bad for me until there are a few casters
glass sequoia
Yeah, but I'm still getting used to AM playstyle
lucid ginkgo
When you have none of those up, trash will hurt
chilly brook
Anything that isnโt physical chews my IP like crazy
glass sequoia
I quit right towards end of ToS, so I didn't ball out with the super speed prot
sick sentinel
isnt crit significantly worse tghan other 3?
lucid ginkgo
Also! Pay attention to some ofth etrash mobs some more, some attacks can be completely side stepped
chilly brook
Then again Iโm 330 ilvl rn so.....
glass sequoia
330 DK slept through two packs of mobs that would've forced my warrior to use everything
stiff orbit
to be fair I also did most of those mythics at like 310
glass sequoia
literally just used VB
stiff orbit
delicious
glass sequoia
what was the new version of vengeance that came out in Legion?
strong forum
the current version
stiff orbit
You mean Vengeance?
sick sentinel
that feel when im using a 266 shield and the ilvl 300 one has double the block
stiff orbit
๐
glass sequoia
is it still named Vengeance?
little star
vengeance asin the talent or asin the Buff from MoP/
glass sequoia
the shit where you take more dmg, the more it stacks
lucid ginkgo
oh man you guys did mythics lower than I did LOL
glass sequoia
when'd it get sent out
plain gyro
Sco doing mythics at 275 on stream right now on pally ๐
ember arrow
i wanna hear how many SCO POINTS he gives the dungeons
twin hazel
I mean M+'s prepared people for doing hard content at low ilvls if you ask me
sick sentinel
do i wana watch a pally stream tho and dissapoint myself with how tanky he is
little star
not gunna touch the dungeons sco doesnt like tbh
glass sequoia
so they didn't introduce any new mechanic similar to vengeance for tanks?
little star
no they didnt
plain gyro
no we alraedy do jacked dps
little star
they had resolve in wod and was removed in legion
plain gyro
now we dont have to inteionally kill our selves to do dps
sick sentinel
has sco said which tank he is favouring most atm
glass sequoia
oh right, I had my xpacs mixed up
plain gyro
he only leveled monk and pally @sick sentinel
lucid ginkgo
if you take his word as bible, he's probably favoring druid and monk
glass sequoia
Vengeance was what made Prot warriors the #1 dps in MoP
plain gyro
and he has two 110 warriors ๐
twin hazel
he probly prefers druid because he likes easy shit and cant deal
sick sentinel
lol, i have heard monk is smooth
glass sequoia
FeelsNostalgiaMan
plain gyro
he has tier list for BFA Tanks
lucid ginkgo
And Monk with the way tank design is in BFA, fits the mold nearly 100% because of how it is designed
last hull
wouldnt listen too much to sco
twin hazel
sco is trash no offense trash
plain gyro
I didnt listen bwecause im leveling one right now ๐
sick sentinel
just hope blizz listens to him and buffs warrior so i can go ez mode m+
glass sequoia
honestly, a single change to IP off of GCD, or higher absorption rate could send prot skyrocketing
kinda similar to EN, but in reverse
lucid ginkgo
That's really all it needs
sick sentinel
^ gcd ip is so annoying
glass sequoia
so don't listen to someone who plays everyting off of cutting edge
sick sentinel
today it was like do i not wana die or do i wana hold aoe aggro
lucid ginkgo
And to be fair, all tanks need their self heal / sustain button off GCD if it was off before
I say off before because, you know, soul bomb and deaths trike
glass sequoia
if you're good at prot and want to play prot, you'll likely do better on it than bandwagoning onto Vengeance
glass sequoia
whenever you see me talk about DKs and VDHs, it's mostly meme'ing because they're pretty broken
a good tank is a good tank
so unless you're in line for MDI qualifiers, none of this shit matters
sick sentinel
im sticking with warrior, cba to multi class this time
lucid ginkgo
someone who's playing what they love will play better, compared to someone who hates what they're playing even if it's the best
something like that
but basically kay's right, play what you like the most
sick sentinel
is prot paladins heal on gcd still
lucid ginkgo
if you wanna be a little dante demon boy with wings because that's your favorite anime, go for it
if you wanna be saurfang, go for it
glass sequoia
one of my friends who's an altoholic but I think might possibly be close to being like within top 30 players in the world made prot warrior look so good that every other class looked like it paled in caomparison
astral crystal
Prot bois with a sub 300 ilvl shield where we at
sick sentinel
ilvl 266 reportin in
glass sequoia
๐ค
astral crystal
Rezan pls bless me
little star
had a 290 shield for all the m0s i did and went did a random normal with a friend and got a 310 shield ..
dreamy gorge
Lmao
lucid ginkgo
dude, forget Rezan
sick sentinel
im just spamming some hc praying for a heroic shield
glass sequoia
not praising the lord of all Loa, Baby Torga, you must be new here @astral crystal
lucid ginkgo
we all about BIG BOY Krag'wa
sick sentinel
not in a guild so cant get into m0 easy as arms
glass sequoia
fucking pleb @lucid ginkgo
lucid ginkgo
lmao
glass sequoia
what was ur nickname for tol dagor again
lucid ginkgo
Tall Dagger
glass sequoia
๐
lucid ginkgo
I should level my next character already so I can see all the story and cutscenes.
And more loa
twin hazel
screw torga, praise the tortollan that screams out NoooOOooOoo
lucid ginkgo
๐
sick sentinel
i need to get around to finishing all the main quests on my warrior
lucid ginkgo
Turtle soup
sick sentinel
that sweet gathering money tho
little star
another turtle made it to the shore ๐
plain gyro
i afked that and all 12 made it ๐
twin hazel
i afked for 15 minutes eating dinner and 4 made it
sick sentinel
lol
twin hazel
came back 100 crabs and sea gulls
little star
F for the turtles
twin hazel
jsut sitting there
sick sentinel
that turtle maze quest is soooo bad
lucid ginkgo
jesus christ my eyes
glass sequoia
turtle maze is top notch
twin hazel
it burnnnnnns
glass sequoia
the meme has evolved
twin hazel
what is that brightnesss
lucid ginkgo
also i feel bad for whoever's getting nailed in the ass
glass sequoia
we're no longer the rat in the maze
lucid ginkgo
based on your whispers
plain gyro
ahahaha
strong forum
yo clutch nice avatar
lucid ginkgo
Yeah it's quite smashing
glass sequoia
clutch out here snooping on peoples' private convos
sick sentinel
i need to watch the latest episode
strong forum
mod dont likey
twin hazel
no fun allowed
strong forum
oh
undone sun
๐
twin hazel
carry me papi clutch
lucid ginkgo
You're too fat
By shoulders are not big enough
My back is now puny, like allmights
๐ฆ
twin hazel
everything you say to me gets reflected back
lucid ginkgo
Just give me time
soon my back will be like a Tauren's
Remember the Tauren in the opening BFA cinematic? That'll be me.
lucid ginkgo
I hopehe's the same guy that goes full smash through the crowd
cause god damn we need more tauren in full CGI
glass sequoia
if only they looked as cool as they did in cinematics
they changed Arcane torrent from kick to dispell
and it's still the best M+ racial
little star
just make it give the resources tbh
twin hazel
i changed races because i was tired of it not silencing anymore
glass sequoia
even though they made it not silence+on gcd
twin hazel
dispel is dumb
glass sequoia
with how many mobs there are that enrage+some kind of buff
dispel is nuts
like dispelling the skellies in underrot with their boen shield
twin hazel
back in my day shield slam dispelled
glass sequoia
i miss glyphs
I hate saying this but I also miss legendary wrists/gloves
I tried soloing a vol'dun quest elite as prot while lvling
lucid ginkgo
dude the amount of dispells to be done in dungeons now is incredible
twin hazel
i solod all group quests
glass sequoia
big Y I K E S
lucid ginkgo
that torrent still stayed the best is insane
glass sequoia
at least LucMorph is here so I can actually get away from the fact hat I'm playing BE
glass sequoia
never again what
lucid ginkgo
Never going BE again
Like I told myself Mag'har would be the last race change I do
Then I saw this one zandalari NPC I fell in love with and now I'ma do 2 more
glass sequoia
zandalari for me
twin hazel
what is the zandalari racial gon be
lucid ginkgo
We know nothing other than what the icons look like
lucid ginkgo
No, mag'har we know
twin hazel
it doesnt show them on character creation right? i tried looking for it
lucid ginkgo
As far as in combat purposes go, you have a racial that you activate and for 15 seconds it grants a random secondary stat buff
And then reduced poison damage, iirc
No, not damage
lucid ginkgo
POisons, Diseases, and Curses duration all reduced by 10%
lucid ginkgo
Ancestral Call - Invoke the spirits of your ancestors granting you their power. Increases a random secondary stat by 102 for 12 seconds.
Open Skies - Increases mounted speed by 10%.
Savage Blood - Reduces the duration of Poisons, Diseases, and Curses by 10%.
Sympathetic Vigor - Increases pet health by 10%.
Those are all the mag'har racials.
twin hazel
yeh maghar it is
lucid ginkgo
We only know the names so far for Zandalari racials, but not what they do
twin hazel
unless zandalari changes my mind
lucid ginkgo
City of Gold, Embrace the Loa, Pterrodax Swoop, Regeneratin, Ward of the Loa
sick sentinel
solo'd everything in the world quests period cus war mode talents.
twin hazel
15 second DS Kreygasm
lucid ginkgo
okay friends, i must leave you now
Be nice to each other
and don't get carried away
twin hazel
can carry me away any time bb
lucid ginkgo
โค
brittle timber
So how do we feel about Freehold Enforcers?
dark junco
brittle timber
Two was enough to make me nauseous
Thinking about teeming makes me downright sick
twin hazel
teeming underrot maggots monkaS
sick sentinel
zzz 290 green shield still no heroic/mythic drop.
jaunty ermine
hello, does anyone know if multiple impassive visage traits stack with each other?
twin hazel
yes
jaunty ermine
ok thanks.
twin hazel
well im not sure which way it works
maybe 2 proc chances
a proc per piece or if the heal stacks
undone sun
procs don't stack
plain vapor
https://www.wowhead.com/item=160491/az3-r1-t3-orthogonal-optics?azerite-powers=1 what do you lads think of the engineering azerite helm? seems like it has some awesome engineering only traits on it
undone sun
just the shield stacks
jaunty ermine
so the heal every 6 seconds dont stack?
twin hazel
sounds like its 2 heal chances
undone sun
"when you take damage, heal for XXXX. cannot occur more than every 6 seconds"
solemn current
Cannot not happen more than once every 6 seconds. Just heals for both amounts
jaunty ermine
it procs when im hit. i think its a 100% proc but can only heal every 6 seconds
ok thanks
twin hazel
oh right since its not a chance to happen that makes more sense
undone sun
even if it was an on chance, the heal would still stack with itself
but the chance to proc would stay the same
twin hazel
see this is why im not a theory crafter
undone sun
i'm not either ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jaunty ermine
i just want to report back that the heal does stack. a friend of mine regorfged his armor and helped me test
twin hazel
we can reforge it already?
plain vapor
yup
twin hazel
oh wheres that at
kind prairie
Can't mog artifact weapons independently for the legion appearances. Is this intentional???
broken kite
yes
dry sable
Hey prot warrs, the azerite traits if it's not listed is it considered worse then the ones listed?
broken kite
unfortunately
kind prairie
that's incredibly lame\
dry sable
E.g. Liberators might vs Reinforced plating
broken kite
yeah it was apparently the trade off to allow bears for example to tmog staves into claws
twin hazel
the ones not mentioned are zone specific depending where you got the gear
there are a lot of them
dry sable
aaah
twin hazel
they are not necessariyl bad they just didnt accoutn for them i think?
@fierce juniper is that stated in the guide anywhere? are the zone specific traits measured/ranked or is there a plan to measure/rank them
broken kite
id assume traits not mentioned are shit
twin hazel
thats how it was in legion but some of them sound pretty good
copper lion
threat should not be an issue for prot warriors correct?
twin hazel
but if you noticed the only ones mentioned are the warrior specific ones
red oyster
Can anyone explain to me why Bolster is better than Never Surrender? Never Surrender seems godly.
twin hazel
if youre having trouble surviving that can usually cause threat issues because youre spending your GCD's trying to survive then gather threat
so depends
broken kite
bolster allows for fast LS and to fill gaps in your shield block windows
NS really only gives good bonuses when your near dead
ember arrow
never surrender is awful
twin hazel
and most of the time IP doesnt drop
ember arrow
u need to be at 0%
twin hazel
from taking damage
twin hazel
that too
red oyster
I feel like you guys dont use ignore pain enough
twin hazel
dont really need to use it that much if youre rotating your cooldowns appropriately
undone sun
๐ค
broken kite
cya
undone sun
oh my
ember arrow
what just happened
twin hazel
i mean ive done my M0s fine lol
twin hazel
i think he came in here hoping to prove that bolster sucked
twin hazel
in comparison to NS
ember arrow
its a talent thats most useful when youre at 0%
that seems kinda counterproductive no
it scales linearly
if it was 100% more IP at 50 or even 35%
ok
twin hazel
would be better if it was 100% at 100% hp and reduced as healt hreduced
but that would be dumb
ember arrow
it would fit warrior playstyle
twin hazel
yah
ember arrow
we dont want to lose hp if we cant help it
twin hazel
it would make too much sense
ember arrow
we dont hav benefit from not being 100%
it owuld basically be an EHP increase
i actually really like that idea
idie
wet shuttle
has any warriors actually gotten a shield in heroic
ive done like 50 heroics and havent got one
broken kite
i got a 335 shield from a heroic
sick sentinel
always use your ignore pain unless you have a dh in ur group
wet shuttle
shitty luck i guess
sick sentinel
I would still always put on ignore pain or refresh if it's granting me 10k+ more ignore pain tho
broken kite
ok
chilly brook
Only problem I really have with IP is how fast it goes away sometimes
ember arrow
well its a rage dump
chilly brook
21k shield is kinda underwhelming imo for what it does