protection

[vocal nimbus]

ty

[surreal stump]

Fixed a bug where missions required to unlock hubs on the other continent were expiring quickly. mmo hotfix list has some fixes today

Flight paths unlocked through missions should now reliably appear as valid destinations on the flight map.

the fp in druvstar still not showing up on main hub, but if i use whistle near it i can fly from there to anywhere. maybe the hotfix isnt in yet or some such

[vocal nimbus]

i'll do them when my followers return

[surreal stump]

also yer right it its not stacking the effect must be some glitch on my crap lol

yeah i did em first day i could just for more fps tired of glidering across the map

[crystal yew]

Any know the mats for the 300 shield

[amber siren]

i think someone said it was 50 storm silver

[smoky wave]

Off the top of my head it's 50, might be 40

It's honorable combatant's shield if the name helps

Some vendor mats too but can't remember them as I walk about with stacks of them

[crystal yew]

Alright thanks @smoky wave @amber siren

It will be better then the 281 green I have lol

[surreal stump]

neat trick u can look at professions of guildies ie : find a blacksmith look at unlearned and see what stuff takes. learned that today

[crystal yew]

Not a in a guild atm

[smoky wave]

I'm ou eu horde talnivarr on the off chance I can make it for you

[crystal yew]

I’m on us

[smoky wave]

Dang

[faint niche]

a~~~~~``

[vagrant cape]

Has anyone seen a dps list or ranking that lists actual numbers alongside them?

For tanks, that is

I'm curious to see what kinds of dps the tanks are putting out for st and aoe

[undone sun]

it would be useful if every tank had working sims

but we don't

so it's not

[vagrant cape]

Fair enough. This may be slightlyoff topic, but I'm currently seeking podcasts or a YouTube channel that talks a lot about prot warriors, tanking, and/or raiding/mythic+ strats. If you don't know of a channel called Thete, he does tons of in depth ret pally vids along with tons of other wow related content. I'd love a prot warrior equivalent of him if y'all have any suggestions.

[waxen plover]

hi guys do you have any guides which gear should i farm?

[amber siren]

With titanforging you won't get a BIS list, but azerite pieces cannot titanforge. The guide has a way to search for specific traits and which gear has them/where it drops.

It's in the pins

[vestal mantle]

I've played Arms leveling, looking to transition into Protection. Does anyone remember any quest that rewards a shield/one-hander?

[vocal nimbus]

there are a couple shields from rares

one near the dungeon ataldazar and one in drustvar

[vernal night]

Is Darkmoon Deck Blockades worth using as prot

[prisma crane]

[severe steeple]

@vestal mantle based on my exp i would check the AH for maybe a 300ilvl around 20k

will save you a lot of trouble

but then again you might get lucky on dungs

[ember dagger]

Anyone seen shields in WQ's?

[severe steeple]

nope

also haven't seen weapons from WQs

[plain gyro]

I got 310+ from wq today

weapon

[ember dagger]

Hmm

[clear falcon]

Hhh.

[next ermine]

I haven't seen a single shield or 2h wep yet

[clear falcon]

I want so badly to love my prot warrior but I just can't seem to figure it out guys. :C

Is there any truth to the sentiment that they might be getting changes in 8.1? Or is that just wishful thinking?

[next ermine]

All prot really lacks is self sustain. Lsoing bracers hurts

[clear falcon]

It's like the - flow.

[prisma crane]

there is no flow

but w/e its where we're at

[clear falcon]

I feel like I have so much trouble holding AoE aggro while also keeping up my defensives, it's just like - clunky. Everything feels so stilted and slow compared to the other two tanks I've leveled.

[oak heart]

how many ilvls is a gem worth?

[prisma crane]

aoe agro is easy....

[unkempt walrus]

Just wanting to ask for a guildie, was getting aggro and holding it made easier somehow today?

[prisma crane]

like with avatar its just stupid

[severe steeple]

ok so i got blockades for 60k i think its ok price whatever

had a 280 trinket

[fresh dragon]

yo mates! i've a question about azerite traits

if 2 pieces have some trait that "stack up to 5 times"

what happen?

[vocal nimbus]

they stack up to 5 times

[fresh dragon]

2 times?

or on the same "pile stack"

[calm cove]

which trait?

[vocal nimbus]

i guess the X amount that stacks doubles

[fresh dragon]

every block increase STR

[vocal nimbus]

but the amount of the pile remains 5

[fresh dragon]

by 42

up to 5x times

[calm cove]

if the only effect is str on block you should get double the str

[vocal nimbus]

you would get 84 str up to 5 times

[fresh dragon]

in the PINS is there a "ranking traits" list?

[onyx vessel]

Icyviens

[prisma crane]

yea in the IV guide

[fresh dragon]

icy viens guide wasn't done by @fierce juniper ?

[fierce juniper]

wut

[fresh dragon]

yo marok. the Icyviens guide is ur?

[fierce juniper]

Yes

[fresh dragon]

ok! btw we dont have PINS with same info here?

[fierce juniper]

The guide is pinned

[fresh dragon]

oh ok.

thx ❤

[fierce juniper]

np

[silk mortar]

Is the darkmoon tank trinket any good?

[jade socket]

str is nice effect is weak

[silk mortar]

Alright

[hybrid sundial]

anyone think the bloodrite passive from azerite is worth it?

[dense salmon]

Siege of boralus Sergeant Bainbridge does anyone now where he is ?

we cleard it dont have him

dóes it change on a weekly base ?

[robust urchin]

Is mythic underrot supposed to be blood boiling stupid for us

[cosmic cargo]

the ticks suck

[calm cove]

@hybrid sundial unless the uptime is close to permanent which I dont think is the case due it extending by killing I doubt its better than any of the spec specific ones

[nocturne river]

Just looking for ballpark, but what would be considered decent ST DPS if following the setup in the pins? Trying to gauge how well I'm managing. I feel like I'm playing it correctly, but just trying to get semi confirmation

[amber siren]

depends on ilvl, traits, stats etc etc

we don't have working prot dps sims

[nocturne river]

Yeah I know

I feel like I'm really low though

[robust urchin]

I manage to do about 7k with a green shield in mythics

[amber siren]

Well unless you post a log no one will be able to do much my dude

[robust urchin]

And a bad weapon

[cosmic cargo]

that's overall?

[robust urchin]

If the boss does a lot physical i pull more with iron fortress

No thats mostly bosses on trash i average about 15k

Plus minus of course

[nocturne river]

Ok, that is what I'm looking for. Sitting at 289, but doing about 3k right now. So I must be doing something wrong. Will keep working on it

[robust urchin]

What traits you have

The TC clap adds a good chunknof dps on trash in avatar

[nocturne river]

I'll be back at my PC in a bit and can let you know.

[undone sun]

289 is pretty low so I wouldn't really worry about DPS just yet

[robust urchin]

Yeah man don't worry about dps now

Just get geared

[nocturne river]

Tha ks Thyme. Makes me feel a little more competent

[robust urchin]

Im a tryhard so i grinded 24/7 for gear to do mythic

[nocturne river]

And you too Nanomachines

[robust urchin]

Also anyone else pisses about swab this

[fringe marten]

anyone found a baller harvesting spot for anchor weed? Or is this about to make flasks much more expensive than legion.

[robust urchin]

Usually I find it more often where sea stalks spawn

Also i have 3 herb tracking on my followers for 2 days now and have yet to get a herb out of it

[fringe marten]

yeah the river bed areas are great for harvesting, there's a lot of nodes and different nodes..so you get basically all herbs. But anchorweed is still quite rare.

[tawny sphinx]

I really love prot warr, our AOE is amazzzziiing. Top on the dmg meters, no threat problem 😉

[robust urchin]

Well it's literally the lotus of bfa

[fringe marten]

3 herb tracking?

OH the gem

the follower item

[robust urchin]

Yeah well go do underrot mythic

Then tell me how much you love it

[tawny sphinx]

I did underrot Mythic. Its easy

[fringe marten]

Wow you spent the mats to make that thing? it's way too expensive...I wanted to know if the yield was good before making it.

[robust urchin]

I get devastated by most of the trash there

[tawny sphinx]

No interuppts or stuns?

[robust urchin]

Well i figured if i invest in it asap i get good yield

I did it with 2 locks and 1 hunter

[tawny sphinx]

Rip

I did with rogue, dh and hunter

Would never do 3 range dps

[robust urchin]

Also last boss was kinda hard but i must say my fray stoped working and i only noticed it midfight

I suspect it hasn't been active in the dungeon all together

[tawny sphinx]

Never go with 2 of the same dps class if its not 2x dh.

[robust urchin]

It was the only group for it

And they were all russians

But cool russians

Ok i noticed gemhide isn't recommended at all

Did they nerfed it?

[amber siren]

It was nerfed about a week ago

[tawny sphinx]

Go Mythic + with decent ilvl rogue, dh and boomie/frost mage and you wont have any probs

And a good healer

xd

[robust urchin]

Speaking off healers

I only feel good with a holy priest

Granted the holy in my guild is the only one so far to ever give me an external

[vocal nimbus]

3 herb equipment already? @robust urchin

[robust urchin]

Yeah

[vocal nimbus]

how many expulsom do you have

[robust urchin]

Well none right now

Or like 5 maybe

I started transmuting expulsion on day one

Because i have no life

[severe steeple]

dude you gert so much from the scrapper

btw the herb follower equipment is BoE or BoP?

[robust urchin]

Yeah doing wq foe azerite gear and its useless

All of them are now Boe

[severe steeple]

just got some followers to rare but can't craft it yet

[robust urchin]

Used to be bop

[severe steeple]

well i hope they are not like 100k

[robust urchin]

I do hope they are

🤑

[severe steeple]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[robust urchin]

I need to level up an engineer so i get that azerite equipment

[severe steeple]

anchor weed sure is fucked up

[fringe marten]

the mats to craft the herb gathering item for followers is ...expensive, it's a lot of stuff. And it's trashy

[remote tusk]

They require Hydrocores so I doubt they will be cheap

[fringe marten]

Buy up anchorweed now, i'm paying like 350g per and I still don't care. When the raid hits, or when a decent amount of the player base is pushing mythic dungeons...and they want flasks: the price for those is going to skyrocket.

[severe steeple]

last time i checked or my realm it was 100

just talking about how hard it is to find

nowhere near starlight rose

but yeah herb/flask prices are nothing right now compared to when raids hit

[robust urchin]

I will hit revered with legion by monday so i will have all rank3 flasks

Gonna make a buttload of str and agi flasks

[fringe marten]

I promise you, the day raids open there will be no anchorweed left on the market and flask prices will be insane. I'm less worried about turning a profit than I am being able to actually get the guild flasks.

[robust urchin]

Im all about profit right now

Gotta pay my sub witj tokens

[fringe marten]

Yeah I'm taking it slow'ish..so I'll be revered with the other 3 factions tonight or tomorrow. than 7th legion like monday'ish?

oh I could care less about 15 bucks a month.

wow they're up to 700g per on my server.

[charred lagoon]

Hey guys. I want to roll my prot warrior rly Bad! But every source or forum i read says its just plain bad. I am not a top 100 raider nor everywhere near it. I plan on raiding myrhic with my guild, but not before farming the hell out of HC. Is it rly that bad and am i better off with sticking to my brewmaster?!

[fringe marten]

so if I purchase it..that means minimum 4500 to 5k per flask to make a SMALL profit. ugh.

Warrior is fine atm, like always it's one of the higher skillcap tanks and takes a lot of work to make 'work'. If you want a decent tank with minimal work always roll a bear, monks are very strong but also have a decent skill cieling.

ceiling~ ? oops

[next ermine]

@charred lagoon Brewmaster is a very strong tank ATM but you can play prot just fine through heroic

@charred lagoon and its been less than a week so stuff may change with 8.1 or before still

[robust urchin]

Warrior is fine for mythic dungeons and heroic raiding

[fringe marten]

Prot will be fine even on mythic progression; The huge issue is they really limited how much and how easily you can get ignore pain into your rotation (and do damage/hold threat) AND beyond that...you will have large windows of no shield block uptime in 'long' fights (boss fights)

[robust urchin]

Its not good for pushing high keys like 20+

[fringe marten]

Have you seen how M+ mechanics are going to work? Forget key ranks getting that high for a VERY long time.

[charred lagoon]

I like the monk, its fun to play, but i rly love the class identity of a warrior and its been my main from vanilla till wod. After brewmaster in legion i just want to come back. Thanks a lot guys!

[fringe marten]

They could even leave IP on the gcd, but they need to substantially improve how much of it we bring up per single cast. If they're going to keep it miniscule as it is now...it needs to be off GCD.

[ember arrow]

People still are in legion mindset..

[remote tusk]

IP is fine in my experience so far.

[fringe marten]

There are too large a windows where we get 'squishy' when fights/pulls go on long enough.

[amber siren]

Then you aren't using your CD's correctly

[ember arrow]

Oh?

^

[fringe marten]

Spacing out to connect the durations of 2 blocks...then Last stand..then 2 more blocks..then you're out of block for a while.

[ember arrow]

Then use ds for sb downtime

Then sw

Hey sb is off cd again

[urban reef]

So Icy V says Strength is lowest thing to worry about, but all the trinkets are Stg pretty much - better to go for a secondary stat trink from WQ or whats the deal?

[ember arrow]

Trinkets are exception ofcourse

Str is best defensive stat

But it comes with ilvl

Hence ilvl is always an upgrade on armor

Trinkets are eq based on situation for their effects

[chilly barn]

Hey guys any way to sim your stat weights as protection ? If i try to as protection on Raidbots it says its not supported.

sim with the goal of getting a pawn string ofc

[calm cove]

nope

[quartz ridge]

thats not rly a thing no

youll have to work with stat priorities and breakpoints

[cosmic cargo]

even if sim worked you shouldn't use pawn

[digital jetty]

is it me or prot sucks?

[timid jay]

thats just you

[sick sentinel]

We have fucked Protection Warriors for the 1000th time because we don't like them. We have made it so every other class can do what they do, but better. If you want to succeed as a Protection Warrior, you must play to the highest skill level and gear so you can be on par with everyone else. -> Blizzard's official stance on Prot Warrior

Só yeah, prot warrior sucks

[timid jay]

Hardly

[sick sentinel]

Its Blizzard's official response!!

Btw, sarcasm

[cinder bridge]

I love prot atm, AM is great, plenty of cds, good physical mitigation, massive aoe dps with avatar (and low avatar cd with AM), decent utility with aoe stun

[sick sentinel]

Im loving it as well

Questing with it is horrid

[cinder bridge]

aye

[sick sentinel]

But dungeons are BiS

[crude pond]

"
If going purely for damage, Thunder Clap takes priority over Shield Slam, even on single-target. (on Avatar)
"

If SB is up, SS takes priority over TC on single-target, even on Avatar. Am I right?

[timid jay]

No, TC still deals more raw damage

But you still have to account for the rage generated by SS and thus feeding into AM

But we'll need working sims to give a definite answer

[sick sentinel]

TC is amazing, atm, for damage

[crude pond]

I think SS deals more

[sick sentinel]

But yeah, rage

[cosmic cargo]

during avatar it doesn't deal more

[crude pond]

SS with SB and Avatar >> TC with Avatar

[timid jay]

Nvm, you're right

They changed the AP coeff since I last checked

[crude pond]

80%Attackpower X 1.3 X 1.2 >> 50%Attackpower X 2.0 X 1.2

[severe steeple]

what is SB

[timid jay]

shield block

[severe steeple]

oh l;awl

[timid jay]

Oh right, I remember why I thought otherwise

had some TC traits

[uncut fractal]

Should I go for versatility gems or haste gems for defense?

[timid jay]

Haste

[uncut fractal]

+40 haste are these the current ones?

[timid jay]

I'm cheap and running the +30 ones

[uncut fractal]

Do you have enchants on rings too?

[timid jay]

yeah I do

[umbral barn]

hi guyz

what do you think about trinket card darkmoon ? (sorry bad english)

[timid jay]

Its pretty bad

[umbral barn]

why hps is so bad ?

[timid jay]

Its just way to little healing to be useful

[quartz ridge]

Is there a good haste breakpoint to aim for?

Or should i just stack it for now

[vague parcel]

Guys what do you think about Bygone Bee Almanac in comb with Rezans?

[amber siren]

@quartz ridge There's no haste caps at all, just follow the stat priority

[echo egret]

so, 1st experience at 120 tanking and I can't say I liked it... slow, non-reactive and boring.
"we don't want to slow you down with the GCD changes" sure sounds like a lie, because it did

[amber siren]

warrior has always been non-reactive

as for GCD that's every class

[tender cloak]

I just feel squishy as a tank for some reason in heroics

[robust urchin]

It's because of your gear

[tender cloak]

true im sure

[robust urchin]

With 330 heroics are like always a joke

[echo egret]

charge not on GCD was allowing me to react to a mob pulled for example

[robust urchin]

Just avatar pre charge so you can use sb or ip

It works fine when you get started

[echo egret]

even if it's every class, the fact I didn't have any fun at all is worrying

[robust urchin]

Imagine yourself as a wind up tiy

[amber siren]

no one can tell you what's fun or what isn't, probably try some other classes if you don't like the playstyle

[echo egret]

yup, but that's been my class and spec since launch, so it's a bit sad to let it go because some designers wants otherwise

[iron mortar]

why do i feel so squishy

like REALLY squishy

[amber siren]

@iron mortar read the pins, that's a very vague question

[rocky tiger]

@echo egret ive been prot since start of BC. For the first time I've changed mains and am going brewmaster this xpac because prot after 8.0 just felt like absolute shit to play. Been covered above but I hated feeling like my cooldowns were essentially rotational just to fill gaps that shouldn't be there. Brewmaster has 100% uptime on mitigation, passive aoe threat, great movement, an aoe taunt, etc etc. All the stuff that has slowly been stripped from warriors.

[astral crystal]

Prot is pretty lit

Pretty fun to pop avatar and tclap some bussy

Pull big dick always

[rocky tiger]

Hey, anyone that's enjoying it atm, more power to you, I just absolutely couldn't stand feeling like I was out of options 2 minutes into a pull

[astral crystal]

Are you managing your CDs well?

And your sblock?

[uneven mason]

in 2 minutes you should hae Last Stand, and SW up again?

DS should be around 25 - 30% uptime

The chances that prot is without any option is nil if played correctly, and you have proper support.

[rocky tiger]

Dunno, like I said, I switched mains. But why the hell should I be forced into using shield wall as a rotational ability when it's meant to be a save the day card?

[echo egret]

in my case it's not about "it doesn't work, I'm dying or anything"... it's about "it became extremely boring to play compared to the old fast pace"

[uneven mason]

Right now healers are still adjusting as well keep in mind, we rely on them (all tanks do)

[rocky tiger]

I've always been a very capable prot warrior but the current rotation is frustrating and awkward for me to play

[amber siren]

🤷

[uneven mason]

🤷 I don't find it difficult

but yeah, its a love it / hate it

[hazy lark]

IP on the GCD is what is making it rough for me right now. Just feels bad. I'm sticking it out though. Always been Prot Warr

[rocky tiger]

I'll probably level my warrior in any case. Already missing leap and charge. But man, BM just feels so much easier to play well

[uneven mason]

Hunter?

[rocky tiger]

Brewmaster

[uneven mason]

BrM lets be sure to diffientiate.

[rocky tiger]

Sure. And on that note, gnight.

[glad venture]

Quick questions guys regarding Azerite traits.

1. Better off getting 3 'Deafening Crash's or 1 of that and 2 Brace for impact?

2. Does Azerite Veins stack? Or maybe all of the
   Other rings stack?

[hazy lark]

Deafening crash doesn't stack so only need 1 and the 2 Brace for Impact

[uneven mason]

1 DC and 2 BfI

the damage on DC stacks

and that sorto f burst may have uses, but defensively the DS extention does not stack

Its accents our already insane AE damage which is our primary strength in M+

Big pulls not many DPS can keep up with us at baseline

Doing 5 packs at a time in Freehold I was doing about 60% of the groups damage. (and giving my healer a heart attack)

[glad venture]

Thanks! Regarding the other traits? Like Azerite Veins 2nd row?

[fiery remnant]

what haste do you guys sit at without into the fray?

[ember arrow]

6

[jagged bay]

around 10 i think

[astral crystal]

Shield wall isn’t “meant” to be anything

It’s a survival tool

And you have talents that make those tools become available again faster

It’s more like pally gameplay now

Tons of CDs on rotation

Or well how they used to be

[severe steeple]

im at 8% haste

[junior ivy]

i feel liek i must bve doing something very wrong tanking

but i dunno what

[somber dragon]

gf healed a prot warrior in a reg last night that pulled like he was a vdh/bdk and never used a cd other than demo shout 😦 she was a very sad person

also sat on full rage for a long time during big pulls

she said "you better not level your warrior next"

[junior ivy]

i feel like i am constantly using CDs and constantly on the verge of death

[somber dragon]

i said "fuck off, that was a plebian" 😄

[junior ivy]

and whern i survive an entire trash pack its a miracle

[somber dragon]

also in regs, the problem arises when the healer is lower level than the tank and their heals barely tickle the lifepool

[junior ivy]

i just wish i knew what i was doing so wrong

[somber dragon]

he had 118k health, but her big heal only hit for 5k

[lusty bramble]

@junior ivy I know how you feel

[robust urchin]

Honestly I don't have much problems with trash

[lusty bramble]

That's what every dungeon feels like for me right now

[robust urchin]

Constant rage gen lowers the cs of cooldowns quite a bit

[lusty bramble]

My damage output also feels like garbage and I'm not sure where I'm fucking up

[robust urchin]

Ilvl?

[lusty bramble]

292

[robust urchin]

Ok thats where you fucked up

[lusty bramble]

lol

[robust urchin]

You doing regs?

[lusty bramble]

Yea

[robust urchin]

Yeah don't sweat it

[lusty bramble]

Should a Fury Warrior with the exact same iLvL be doing douple the dps tho?

[robust urchin]

If you get like a 118 healer you are on the verge of dying becauae healers can't keep up with the scaling

Do a reg and post your skada/details

[lusty bramble]

Aight

[robust urchin]

We can only help if we see what you doing

How do you use your cds?

I encountered a lot of prot doing the same mistake over and over

By using SB with Last Stand

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy cmon catdfriend, watch guides, ask here, its not like its a big secret

youve been here for years, monthS?

[robust urchin]

Give them time

Prot warrior playstyle has changed quite a bit from the gotta go fast legion style

Those young cats probably don't remember sunder

[somber dragon]

yeah

[ember arrow]

well, but she keeps saying its terrible and she doesntknow what shes doing

[somber dragon]

gf was 114 and healed a 120 warrior the other day

[junior ivy]

i dunno what to ask

[ember arrow]

thats not the same

[junior ivy]

ive read the entire guide

[somber dragon]

and the warrior got rekt even though she was spamhealing

[junior ivy]

i feel like im doing things right

[robust urchin]

Ok cat

Ilvl?

Traits?

[junior ivy]

321

dunno my traits

[ember arrow]

i am 315, doing mytihcs np

[robust urchin]

[junior ivy]

i am doing mythics and its big problem

[ember arrow]

then LOOK THEM UP

[junior ivy]

when my DK friend tanks, they go smoothly

[ember arrow]

tyhere are there

[junior ivy]

when i tank, they dont

[ember arrow]

literally

[robust urchin]

Just check ur azerite gear

[junior ivy]

k 😦

[robust urchin]

Come on now levko keep calm let's help those young warriors out

[junior ivy]

thats my azerite gear

[robust urchin]

Ok the last one is bad

Change it to the SS

[junior ivy]

kk

[somber dragon]

wait

120 and 321 and only one ring unlocked?

have you been skipping azerite?

[junior ivy]

yeh i guess so

[sick sentinel]

blitzing these mythics w/ my prot warrior despite 281 shield.

feelsgood

[robust urchin]

Whats ur heart level?

[sick sentinel]

crushing the trash

[junior ivy]

theres my info

[kind prairie]

I see the issue.
ahem
Gnome.

[robust urchin]

Wait how did you got the flask

[sick sentinel]

@junior ivy name of addon for more character sheet info/stats?

Miss that a lot.

[junior ivy]

ummm

[robust urchin]

Is the wq working now?

[somber dragon]

is that deja character stats?

[junior ivy]

deja character stats and oilvl

[ember arrow]

dejacharacter sheet

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

instead of this retarded slimmed down shit blizz has.

tyty

[ember arrow]

well most stats are useless

ye i sure wanna see my movespeed

or my agility

[robust urchin]

What talents you run cat

[junior ivy]

i can tank mythics, but its a constant struggle to stay alive. im using all my cds. health goes dangerously low constantly

and i die sometimes

[sick sentinel]

👌

shield matters a lot.

[robust urchin]

How do you use your cds?

[sick sentinel]

more than ever.

[robust urchin]

I see people just popping all out

[junior ivy]

so i try and keep SB and DS up as often as possible and use IP when i can

[robust urchin]

For example using SB with LS

[junior ivy]

and whenever my health is like 50% ill use LS or SW

[sick sentinel]

I know thats whats dragging me down. directly correlates to our block% and heaviest armor gain per ilvl

281 green shield hurts so bad lol

[robust urchin]

If you do trash packs start with demo and one sb

[junior ivy]

also

my other big prolbem

[robust urchin]

After it runs out just use ls

[junior ivy]

is every trash pack.. 2 seconds in.

i lsoe aggro

on at least half of them

and then its a struggle to get aggro back

before the dps dies

[robust urchin]

Tab target devastate helps

[junior ivy]

im always in such a panic when i lose aggro too

but it happens EVERY PULL

[sick sentinel]

I always go in avatar + demo if can for big damage aoe/solid threat. priortizing Tclap more than anything else besides shield slam.

[robust urchin]

Ok try this gather group demo shockwave defensive and then tc

[sick sentinel]

revenge if rage flooding and IP already up.

[junior ivy]

i do always shoickwabve at start too

it sonly one dps who pulls aggro off me

its only

no others do , yet anyway

[sick sentinel]

shockwave does piddly threat. I save it as another interrupt for mythics.

need mob swings for revenge proccs.

[junior ivy]

i just liek it to keep them grouped so i can get aggro

insted of them instantly running off to arms warrior

[sick sentinel]

thankfully group I run with know to watch/wait for me to LOS/settle them and dont autism blow their load soon as I charge in.

[junior ivy]

ive come to just accept that me + dps warrior basically co-tank every trash pack

and i solo tank bosses

[lusty bramble]

Here is Aquasir

Details!: Damage Done for Aqu'sirr [2:04 EF]

1. Burnedpriest . 696.8K (5.6k, 32.1%)
2. Vera ............... 556.5K (4.5k, 25.6%)
3. Goarmaz ......... 464.9K (3.7k, 21.4%)
4. Bananahamcok 451.7K (3.6k, 20.8%)

[tawny panther]

Avatar beforehand, charge tc, demo, SB, tc, slrevenge (aggro on nameplates to show when close to loss) then tc

I honestly never have aggro problems on warrior and the guys I play with are ridiculously good dps

[robust urchin]

Thats not what i meant by posting skada/details

I wanted a screenshot of what you do/use

Also arms has insane aoe with warbreaker and bladestorm

[tawny panther]

Shockwave if you need to like if lose aggro

[robust urchin]

I always give the tank a second or 2 before i charge in and even then i make sure to use die by the sword in case

[lusty bramble]

Oh lol

[glad venture]

So i was looking thru azerite gear that's available in dungeons atm. And i think this is the best possible combo. What do you guys think?

Head:
Sea-Brawlers Greathelm

1. Deafening Crash
2. Resounding Protection
3. Azerite Globules

Chest:
Harpooner's Plate Cuirass

1. Brace for impact
2. Lifespeed
3. Azerite Empowered (+5 ilvl)

Skyscorcher Pauldrons

1. Brace for impact
2. Ablative Shielding
3. Gemhide

[tawny panther]

Icy veins has the 3

Seem like a good choice

[glad venture]

Oh rly? Damn i feel so bad, not looking that Up first LUL

[tawny panther]

And with the nerf today, easier to get the traits too

Hey research is always good

[glad venture]

True

[rocky plank]

Icy vein’s stat priority differs from Pawn’s. Whats the stat priority for prot? Is it Haste > Vers >= Mastery

[robust urchin]

I go for haste mastery

Mastery seems to be the better choice down the road

It's ao frustrating having a bad shield

[ember arrow]

IV is made by marok

pawn is.... pawn

[robust urchin]

But is marok really that good

[kind prairie]

Yes

[rocky plank]

Does Block actually block spells ? I am getting hammered by Shadow of Zul everytime

[kind prairie]

Actually idk

[robust urchin]

If block could block spells

Imagine

[rocky plank]

Lol

[kind prairie]

That'd be dope

[smoky wave]

There's a Google sheets around with what's blockable and reflectance.

[kind prairie]

It'd be such a good class fantasy to block targeted spells like fireball

Etc

[robust urchin]

Reroll to Paladin

And block all the spells

[kind prairie]

Negative

#warriorBestClass

[ember arrow]

ye bloc kthe spells

sometimes

[robust urchin]

BuT ScO SaYS WaRrIoRs SuCk

[kind prairie]

LOL

well for what I do it works just fine.

[robust urchin]

I applied to a normal mythic 3 times

They changed the description to NO WARRIOR

[rocky plank]

Lol

[kind prairie]

rip

To be fair

There are a lot of bad warriors...

Like there was in legion.

[robust urchin]

Yeah they all gather in Skyhold discord

[kind prairie]

LOL

[robust urchin]

😂

[rocky plank]

I dont really have problem with prot warrior in Mythic0 apart from pure magic dmg fights

[ember arrow]

of which there arent any

since this isnt legion

[robust urchin]

People just haven't adapted to it yet

Prot is fine

Except wpvp

Pretty much dead meme

[ember arrow]

tanks suck at wpvp

at least the ones i play

[robust urchin]

5 blood dks camped the orders base the other day

Wasn't very good times tbh

[ember arrow]

bdk isnt anything special in wpvp

5 of anything is bad times

[robust urchin]

It's just annoying

[junior ivy]

should i queue for normal or heroic island expedition?

[honest goblet]

what do you mean warriors bad for wpvp, that 1 sec stun every tc cast is neet

while in avatar healers cant really cast anything

[astral hare]

It's a root, not stun

[honest goblet]

did they change it?

cuz yesterday im pretty sure it stunned

[ember arrow]

it was never a stun

[robust urchin]

It roots

The one for leap stuns

[sick sentinel]

Someone got a Pawn string for Protection Warrior o/?

[vestal condor]

Anyone still got the old Vengeance Weak Aura btw?

[little star]

there is 2 bosses in the motherload which you can't block the basic attacks

are*

Rixxa Fluxflame and Mogul Razdunk

[stray field]

Just tanked last mythic dung

Kings Rest

Was pretty fun, challenging actually.

Warriors are so good atm.

[rocky plank]

Ikr. Kings rest was fun. But got destroyed at Shadow of Zul

[fresh dragon]

in ONE WORD... what do u think about Darkmoon trinket?

[stray field]

Ye lol, wtf was that about

BAD

[severe steeple]

holy fuyckiong shit balls shadow of zul

only cd we din't use was lust

[steady narwhal]

are prot warriors the only ones struggling at shadow of zul? i got destroyed

also how can we avoid the berserker adds stacking bleed?

[sick sentinel]

didn't have a problem with it.

[junior ivy]

THE HORSE RACE QUEST how do you do it omg

[daring marlin]

Warriors getting declined from mythic dungeons cuz they’re warriors

omegalul

[ember arrow]

was same in legion

[sick sentinel]

race the horse to the stable master at 67.5, 51.2

[junior ivy]

its sooooooo hard

i gotta get 300 pts

i can get like 150 maybe

then im out of time

[sick sentinel]

oh that one.

[daring marlin]

keep jumping fences

[junior ivy]

im even using keybinds 😦

[daring marlin]

@ember arrow Was that after the rage gen nerf?

So you couldn’t keep IP up indefinitely?

[ember arrow]

i said same as LEGION

[vagrant cape]

@junior ivy although not really prot warrior-related you have to jump over a ton of obstacles and then spear the dummies. The key part is to not lose your rainbow stacks and if you see a zeppelin, make it your life's goal to target it and use the bolas on it or else you lose. It's a pain in the ass to do that without losing your cadence

[ember arrow]

i pushed m+ as warr

among other tanks

[daring marlin]

Yes. In LEGION at the start Warrior tanks were busted.

[sick sentinel]

Someone got a Pawn string for Protection Warrior o/?

[cosmic cargo]

I'd suggest to just not use pawn

you'll pretty much equip any ilvl upgrade except maybe rings

[junior ivy]

do i gotta deal with zeppelins @vagrant cape

cause i find it hard

can i ignore them

[vagrant cape]

Yes. They make you lose if you don't Bola them

[junior ivy]

oh.

omg this quest sucks

[vagrant cape]

Indeed

It's atrocious

[junior ivy]

😦

[ember arrow]

@daring marlin ye im talking about all of legion

particulary after NH i pushed

[cosmic cargo]

it was still a fair bit ahead of bear in legion

around antorus/tos at least

for m+ I meam

[vestal condor]

btw any other good general weakauras? not just prot specific?

[cosmic cargo]

*mean

that's very much personal preference id say

outside of raid specific ones

[trim oriole]

Incite the Pack > Callous Reprisal?

for M+?

[quasi tartan]

Thoughts about the engineering 340ilvl helm and its traits ?

[sick sentinel]

Callous is better. See the pinned guides.

[trim oriole]

ty

[junior ivy]

whtas callous?

whats*

[sick sentinel]

Callous Reprisal.

[junior ivy]

oh ok

[old dagger]

Is it wise to equip a new Azerite item in the same slot to choose traits better suited to a specialization?

for*

[vagrant cape]

It depends. If it's for a deafening crash trait when you don't have one already, it's worth losing a few ilvls for

And yes, if they're the same ilvl and it's a better trait, do it. No reason not to

Some of them are not worth losing ilvls for

[junior ivy]

k this horse quest makes me wanna scream

[old dagger]

Yeah, 5 ilvl difference, but it has an Arms trait in the outer ring. I thought maybe it's better to equip a new chest for protection and choose something better suited for that spec. If it works that way that is

[vagrant cape]

Yes, definitely. Five ilvls is certainly worth going from no trait to a trait.

Also, is it only a 5 ilvl loss because you haven't unlocked the middle on the new one?

If so, it won't be an ilvl loss at all once you unlock it

[old dagger]

yeah

Good 😃

[frigid spindle]

Hey, new to this dicord. Just wondering, filthy transfution any good for prot?

[sick sentinel]

no.

its a generic trait amongst all classes.

doesn't even register on prot tiers worth considering.

[frigid spindle]

@sick sentinel tyvm 😃

[spare estuary]

hows prot fairing ?

[frigid spindle]

Im loving it, the mobility and burst on trash.. But new to war!

[wild atlas]

Having a blast in Mythics with intimidating and shockwave. Spell reflect is large too. Only other tanks I’ve played that felt better against magic was Vengeance, but it’s not my favorite class

I do wish charge was off cool down

*off GCD

[spare estuary]

spell reflect back in our abilities ?

damn just seen it in spellbook oh thankyou blizz

[sick sentinel]

prot feels just fine.

murders good DPS.

[next ermine]

Ya I usually get 2nd or 3rd on dps overall in mythics as prot. I love it

[dark junco]

For bosses I still equip Aggramar’s trinket

That 115k shield ❤

And trash in m0 is generally not an issue, beside 3rd pull in Underrot

(Which is freaking cancer with that 100% haste buff that you can’t purge) had to go kiting and all to survive that trash pull.

No clue if i’ll resolve to still equip and use aggramar when m+ are released

[cosmic cargo]

feels like a bit of a waste on m+

apoc drive or rwc though

[severe steeple]

guys

what do you think of Tradewinds trait?

my head had the revenge one and i picked tradewinds over it

730 mastery proc

[errant coral]

Hey guys where can you find azerite gear with defending crash in it? I have 3 peices 340 with no crash. Sad times, I have two shield block ones

Shield slam even

[dark junco]

Yo seriously, when do you guys use devastate?

[sick sentinel]

never.

especially as haste gets higher.

[dark junco]

I find myself never having the time to use it

Alright so i’m not crazy then

[sick sentinel]

nah.

[dark junco]

There sooo many things on gcd, like its a dead ability

[errant coral]

I seem to have time to fit in a couple

[sick sentinel]

everything hits harder than it. if anything, I use it to grab individual mobs to apply deep wounds but thats it.

[dark junco]

Demoshout always up, tclap, IP, SB, revenge

Whats on the same row that devastator again?

[sick sentinel]

BV

[dark junco]

Oh yeah

Damn

[sick sentinel]

everything pales compared to BV.

[quasi tartan]

Booming voice

[dark junco]

Yeah

That rage gen lol

[quasi tartan]

Yup

[dark junco]

Its a oh shit button, that I spam all the time

[dark junco]

Really wish we would still have Tgod as a passive

[ember arrow]

Ladies and gentlemen

Behold the wow playerbase

[sick sentinel]

its +15% more damage you deal too. its just worth. coupled with deafening crash and high haste, near constant +15% damage.

100% open world/war mode.

[dark junco]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

15% damage gain, 15% DR mobs, fat rage. all god.

[dark junco]

Yeah I make my own group, cause I get declined in mythic

Been told: no warrior

Thanks sco

[sick sentinel]

healers getting lazy rather DPS than heal, becoming to used to sustain tanks.

and theres that too.

[ember arrow]

"Im just giving my opiniin"

Sco 2018

[torn ice]

yea being a prot warrior is ruff right now

[dark junco]

But I feel like we’re not even bad

[sick sentinel]

we're definitely not.

we just requires heals.

[last skiff]

who is Sco?

[dark junco]

But yeah magic damage = rip my face

[sick sentinel]

since we have zero sustain besides last stand.

[clever garden]

method gm

[last skiff]

oh

[dark junco]

Yeah, I grabbed a few leech trinkets that are 330 instead od 340, got siphoning enhant

[sick sentinel]

high enough haste/versatility with your ilvl, and ignore pain in itself, and the Damage Reduction it gives is plenty magic mitigation.

[dark junco]

It helps

[torn ice]

yea since ignore pain is so weak

[sick sentinel]

ontop of spell reflection.

[dark junco]

Might grab victory rush

[last skiff]

I wish Ignore Pain was off GCD again

[ember dagger]

Noooooo

[sick sentinel]

impending victory? no. garbage talent.

[errant coral]

If you have to pug as a tank and want to do mythcis then you should maybe look for a new guild. Tanks always are on in demand

[dark junco]

Everyone wish it was

[ember dagger]

The haste is way too good to give up imo

[clever garden]

might level my dk tbh

[sick sentinel]

into the fray > everything.

swap to Punish for ST bosses

[snow nest]

I like HR for solo / wq tho

Wpvp

[dark junco]

Oh its ITF on the same row as IV?

Damn

[sick sentinel]

I AOE pull trash in WPVP/WQs so prefer AM.

[dark junco]

No wonder we’re stuck: devastator and IV on same row as required talents

[ember arrow]

Hr is terrible

[sick sentinel]

and get more LS use for heals.

• constant demo shout on enemy players.

[dark junco]

^

[sick sentinel]

ontop of shield bash.

[dark junco]

I prefer that in dungeon too atm

[sick sentinel]

1v1 I dont die unless hard CC'd (rogues)

[dark junco]

Shield bash would be awesome in dungeons

Unless 115

Then rio

[sick sentinel]

or yeah leggos.

[dark junco]

Rip*

[snow nest]

Idk I've enjoyed the burst from HR to n wpvp a lot

[sick sentinel]

115 basically the new twink lol

[snow nest]

In*

[dark junco]

Had a pleasent surprise first time I attacked 3 115

Thinking I’d reck them

Damn son I was wrong

[sick sentinel]

being able to spam tclap is netting me more damage overall and on everything, ontop of getting more shield slams from it.

better gain than less shield slams but slightly harder hitting/longer SBs

[dark junco]

The fact that I went from +/-60% haste 110 to 12% at 120 should have cue’ed me

[snow nest]

Lol

[dark junco]

lawl

[sick sentinel]

with high haste class feels so good but really hard to get with this gearing xd

[snow nest]

115 glads

[sick sentinel]

HR does have worth if you're able to gimmick up a build of iron fortress + brace for impact with high vers/mastery single target pvp.

[dark junco]

Got recked so hard, bwamsamdi made fun of me, and I’m not horde lol

[sick sentinel]

but not worth at this time.

yeah high haste, feels so good.

already back to 15% before into the fray. so smooth.

[snow nest]

Yeah but it's fun getting 4-5 slams in one SB lol

The memes

[dark junco]

yeah I kept a 300 ring cause it gives me 240 haste

[ember dagger]

15% still leave you at like 1.29gcd or something

[dark junco]

And I’m at 16% before ITF

[sick sentinel]

ya

[dark junco]

Really helps

[ember dagger]

gross

[sick sentinel]

still using a 281 green shield though my rng sucks lol

[ember dagger]

miss my like 1.12 gcd

[dark junco]

340 :D! From last noght ataldazer or something

[sick sentinel]

316 overall with some 340, 325 pieces

[dark junco]

The bitch dropped that, I was so happy

[sick sentinel]

yeah Rezan

[dark junco]

Wrong stats but w/e! That blovk value tho lol

[sick sentinel]

sex shield.

[dark junco]

Nah

I got the bitch one iirc

I want razen shield or trinket

[strong forum]

i got 325 rezan with socket

its decent

[dark junco]

Damn

[sick sentinel]

haste/mastery is fine.

[errant coral]

You have 16% haste!? What's your ilevel?

[dark junco]

Haste + ANYTHINGBUTCRIT is perfect

332

[sick sentinel]

getting plenty of haste/verse from the mythic items I got.

[errant coral]

Im 332 and in only like 8% lol

I'm*

[dark junco]

Prioritize haste, equip lower ilvl

[sick sentinel]

eh

[dark junco]

(Prob bad advice but its working for me)

[strong forum]

im 335 with 10% haste, its okay

[errant coral]

I'm not sure on that's lol

[sick sentinel]

primary stats/armor still huge before haste.

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste

[errant coral]

Strength is better overall

[dark junco]

I run with a dedicated group for m+, I still use aggramar’s trinket, so I’m compensating, not sure my thinking can apply everywhere

But its working out for us

But yeah, can’t wait to really take the time to check whats the gear we’ll need to grab from raid

I’m also so sad I asked a friend to make me the alchemist trinket, and I uses it for like 2 dungeon

[sick sentinel]

what'd you replace with

[errant coral]

Anyone no one said anything to my question earlier lol where do you get azerite gear with defening crash? All I get is the brace for impact :p

Anyways*

[strong forum]

idk, i have more defeaning crash than brace for impact

[errant coral]

Defeaning doesn't stack though

[strong forum]

i know

but i did get a billion pieces for it

and worked around using it only on 1 piece

[errant coral]

I have 3 340 peices all with brace for impact

It's quite nice but defening crash is better

[sick sentinel]

its in the azerite guide.

[strong forum]

i got cucked by azerite, only got 1 piece

but its the BiS helmet

so im not too mad

[sick sentinel]

Sea-Brawler's Greathelm, Skyscorcher Pauldrons, Ashvane Warden's Cuiress

x2 brace for impact, deafening crash.

more at mythic gear lvls with more traits

[strong forum]

ye i got Sea brawler mythic, as my only mythic azerite piece

fuckign cucked

[wintry jetty]

is the engineer helm worth it before magni's rep one?

[dark junco]

I replaced it with the 325 flask from WQ

haste on demand

[sick sentinel]

the 1min on use haste trink?

ehh

I have it at 315 ilvl. I'd still use alch stone though. primary stat 15s per min, big vers. even if lower ilvl.

[dark junco]

It has leech and is 325, thats a decent opener on bosses and trash pull I find

[sick sentinel]

only cus have plenty of haste already, more vers always nice, armor from strength gain.

ITF + current haste makes me feel an on use haste is meh. not struggling for shorter CD of abilities/GCD at that point.

just realized my flask is static haste, 681 strength on use though.

more haste on demand though is meh with what I have.

[strong forum]

same

[sick sentinel]

beyond passive haste gains.

+ITF

[strong forum]

i generally dont like on use trinkets on prot especially

cuz AM makes it hard to time with CDs

[sick sentinel]

depends on the on use, but yeah same most part.

I feel like at a certain ilvl, prot warrior scaling gonna get disgusting op over other tanks.

but thats just my feeling.

[strong forum]

thats just a feeling

[sick sentinel]

with the right traits, haste/vers

[strong forum]

i think, if i would play BDK or VDH i would have a worse opinion about Prot

thus i wont do it 😄

so i can stay happy

[sick sentinel]

the sustain + their kits of AM is a good feeling of independent convenience. and lets group play smoother/lazier w/o thinking to help the tank with some heals.

[ember arrow]

waht do u mean will e op over other tanks/

[sick sentinel]

its a valid feeling.

just mitigation wise overall.

[ember arrow]

dk can already tank mythics with minimal healing

[sick sentinel]

since we already do disgustingn DPS.

[ember arrow]

i can vouch for that

[strong forum]

well so far i can carry even as prot

so thats a good thing

being 40% of all damage and knowing strats and skips

[ember arrow]

dps should outdps a tank at all times

if they dont theyre worthless

[strong forum]

yea...

[ember arrow]

since its their only finction

[strong forum]

pugs

[sick sentinel]

I mean in relation to other tanks.

[strong forum]

i've only been out-dps'd once in aoe

[ember arrow]

ye but theres no other tank in a 5 man

[strong forum]

well twice now

DH as DPS FeelsGoodMan

[ember arrow]

whats your overall dps like?

[strong forum]

6-7k

[ember arrow]

mine is around 3.8k on dk

yea

[strong forum]

9k in good dungeons

[ember arrow]

overall?

[strong forum]

ye in HCs when i speedrun

giga pulls

[ember arrow]

ye not hcs

mythics ofc

[strong forum]

ye 6-7k overall in mythics

[ember arrow]

u can also look this way

warr does more dmg than dk, but dk lets healer do dps

so it evens out

unless you got one of those healers that stands afk, not even autoattacking while they dlnt have to heal

[strong forum]

havent had any troubles no

but yea healers not dealing damage is quite oftemn

and sad

brb

[tardy oak]

man prot needs some real buffs rly

[sick sentinel]

what

lol

[hot locust]

Yeah I don't think so.

Let's not repeat EN.

[sick sentinel]

please cut the memeing.

prot is in a good spot for not being a sustain tank.

[dark junco]

We’d just need sustain from somewhere, or IP not on gcd

[sick sentinel]

just because Sco fucked up the perception of the class for the public doesn't mean its absolute fact to the actual live 120 reality of today.

[hot locust]

We need neither of those things.

[dark junco]

Like i’d love a trinket that gives way more leech

[hot locust]

IP off GCD would be nice but it isn't a necessity for the class to function in a viable form.

[dark junco]

Then reverse Sco saying so we can get invites to groups

[sick sentinel]

cant say I feel the IP on GCD actually being clunky anymore now that my haste bringing my GCD lower and lower. (1.25 atm)

feels all fine to me.

mythics aren't hard to me.

[dark junco]

Its not about functioning to us in a vacuum, its about perception of iutsiders

Like monks in Legions

[hot locust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

smh

[dark junco]

Hence why we just need a lil” something so influencers can say “hey nice warrior” so we get puglife easier

[hot locust]

Can't exactly change the way people think without representation.

People need to play it and do well for that to change.

Talking all day doesn't change anything.

[dark junco]

“Asking Sco to do well”

[sick sentinel]

or just play and show them.

instead of relying on a public speaker.

[dark junco]

Can’t show if not invited.

[hot locust]

Do you really want to join a group that doesn't invite because of your class alone anyways?

[dark junco]

Its a frontloaded problem, that would be solved with 1 more utility or a bit more sustain

[sick sentinel]

oh you're guildless?

idk what to do for you there.

[dark junco]

To outsiders, warriors have no utility and no sustain, thats the issue mainly. I don’t find it an issue and I’m pretty sure I do just fine, but its still a perception problem that prevents me from pugging decent mythic groups, which is ptobably gonna be even more aggraveted on m+ hopening, but I’m hoping its not.

Hence why I was wondering and pondering on what we could get in our toolkit to solve that

[hot locust]

Or you can join groups with intelligent people that understand the capability of others classes given the content present.

Why join a garbage group that doesn't understand how the game even works on a basic function?

[sick sentinel]

play/find the right people, make friends, make them frequent players to play with.

instead of relying on pugs.

[hot locust]

We don't need anything in our toolkit, add more and you just make us the new op thing that everyone hops on until we get nerfed more.

[sick tree]

Hey dumb question but

[dark junco]

Thats still solving the issue backward, since we still wont be providing utility

[sick tree]

Block value on shields. Been a while since we've seen that right?

[sick sentinel]

majority of pugs are lazy minded and can only ever expect to find the simplest method from A to Z. cus they're pugging and dont care. cba to change their perception.

[dark junco]

That 15% HP buff is somethingg amazing, by exemple

[sick sentinel]

yeah gyper. :p

shield is a huge factor to our overall power now.

[sick tree]

So our normal block removes 30% damage

but does block value remove that flat value

for damage

[sick sentinel]

really making me reeee stuck with 281 gree mythics/heroics not been kind so far this week.

[sick tree]

How does the math on autos work for that?

[hot locust]

block value functions like armor for % reduction, just on blocked attacks.

[sick sentinel]

your block % scales with the block # on your shield + your mastery.

[sick tree]

Ahhh

So it is not a flat 30% anymore. The block % just scales with two different things now?

[hot locust]

If you hover over your block stat on your character sheet it will show you how much DR you get from blocks on your target.

[daring marlin]

lol I bought a shield, do a heroic and got one right away

bye 266 green

[dark junco]

Does the block formula still accounts for armour with diminishing return on block the more armor you have?

[sick sentinel]

correct. its a scaling block # now modified by various other numbers(azerite traits) and your mastery %

[hot locust]

No

They are seperate forms of DR, it just scales the same way as armor.

[sick tree]

Does critical block still exist?

[sick sentinel]

yes

from your mastery.

[dark junco]

Ok, wasn’t sure if tey changed that back from beta

[hot locust]

Yes Crit block is double the %.

So if your block reduction is 37% your crit block is 74%.

Crit block caps at 85% however.

[sick tree]

Ah I was gonna ask if crit block can hit 100%

for total negation

[sick sentinel]

like my current unbuffed block # is 27.84% DR lel

[hot locust]

I'm already over crit block cap >__>

[daring marlin]

hah

[hot locust]

At least on same level targets.

[sick sentinel]

ya

[uneven mason]

@hot locust Thankfully it appears they'll be tuning the k value on DR calculations so that higher armor shields remain relevant in later tiers.

[cosmic cargo]

how much block are traits giving you

[sick sentinel]

and yes crit blocks can reach 100% reduction at theoretic levels. you can already see it vs lesser mobs right now.

[hot locust]

I'm aware Ikari.

[cosmic cargo]

no it can't jag

[uneven mason]

I mean, they'll always be relevant, but it'll keep us hungry

[cosmic cargo]

it has a hard cap

[dark junco]

yayyy! @uneven mason

[sick sentinel]

? I've seen it fully block physical attacks.

[cosmic cargo]

just like armor always had a hard cap

[uneven mason]

Jagpanzer Both Armor and Block have a cap of 85% max reduction

You're seeing a full absorb after the block.

Since reductions are all multiplicative, you'll never each complete mitigation

but you can reudce it far enough that a small absorb can negate the remaining damage

[sick sentinel]

ah right. got it.

misconception on my part w/ that.

[uneven mason]

yeah...math

[sick tree]

So do we got any blue response on the current clunk feeling of prot

[uneven mason]

Its only clunky compared to how it played in Legion tbh

[hot locust]

Do we ever get blue responses? :^)

[uneven mason]

But no, blues don't respond on tanks

[sick sentinel]

warriors dont. 😛

[uneven mason]

like, ever.

only if something is horribly broken I'd think

and we're not broken (not in a bad way)

[sick sentinel]

ya. judging from past warr vs blue history.

[errant coral]

I must be the only one who actually likes playing a prot warrior lol

[quartz pond]

prot is two brace for impact and thunder clap right?

[hot locust]

For the most part defensively, yes.

I'm enjoying it @errant coral 😄

I liked Legion a bit better, but I like it still now.

[errant coral]

All I ever see on here is people moaning about them.

[vocal nimbus]

I also liked it

Although i decide to start with a brm 🙁

[hot locust]

I'm one of the weird ones that liked FR.

[vocal nimbus]

fr was decent

hitting gigantic slams

nice rage spender too

[sick sentinel]

loving it as well here.

[silk mortar]

Many people liked FR

More would have if it wasnt so much rng >.<

[cosmic cargo]

FR was good

[sick sentinel]

FR was great. Psuedo good replacement of HS days.

hey im sure you guys have been asked this alot but is the blockades trinket worth using ?

no.

[hot locust]

Fathoms is better. Blockades might be good if they buff it someday, kinda doubt they will though.

In reality your best bet is world quest trinkets and the trinket of Rezan in Atal'Dazar.

The one out of Underrot on the last boss isn't bad either I'm liking that one.

[timber nest]

whats the rule of thumb for replacing azerite gear? i have an extra 340 helm, but id be giving up a 325 with brace for impact. the 340 has bloodsport, the IP trait that gives leech

[sick sentinel]

got a 315 static haste w/ strength procc 10s.

[severe steeple]

blockades gives way to little stam

[sick sentinel]

higher ilvl always worth for str/stam/armor gain vs otherwise good traits from previous item. idr what the threshold is though from according to Marvok.

something like 5-10ilvls

use the 340.

[timber nest]

so using the 340 and loosing the brace for impact trait is worth?

[sick sentinel]

yes.

[timber nest]

heard, ty

[weary notch]

higher ilvl is worth it UNLESS you lose deafening crash. If an upgrade means losing deafening crash, it has to be more than 25 ilvls

[sick sentinel]

yeah deafening crash is too solid. realized how much I missed being w/o it as I swapped gear.

so damn good.

[strong forum]

ah so lala you tested Fathoms on prot?

[sick sentinel]

esp as haste/vers increases.

[copper lark]

is there a list of best azurite traits?

[strong forum]

is the damage worth while?