is a new idea.
#protection
uneven mason
wintry arch
idk
uneven mason
Nah, they want you to feel like you have SOME sort of connection to a primary spec
Like, they want folks to have the meltality of "I'm a prot warrior" not just "I'm a warrior" and the azerite traits fulfil that for BFA.
uneven mason
Well, Arms likes crit over haste, while fury loves haste over mastery, but is ok if vers and crit sleep on the couch, and then you have Prot, who overall just cares about how big they are, but would prefer haste over anyone else.
stable widget
anyone else have the engineer helm?
wicked trail
there actually any decent trinkets outside of that alchemy one?
void quail
I'm still using a legion one, which is working beautifully atm.
cinder bridge
man
prot is doing like a bajilion damage with avatar up
and I don't even have any tc traits
wicked trail
takes a bajilion damage aswell
willow wraith
^
uneven mason
Not finding damage intake an issue so far
If you're getting wrekt as prot, you're probably not doing it right.
prisma crane
if you're doing that much damage, you're pulling big, if you're pulling big, just use LS and cheese the pack.....
uneven mason
Even single packs I'm up with the DPS in my groups heh, Prot is really a battering ram for AE damage
willow wraith
what difficulty /ilvl are you running Ikarikaze
uneven mason
309 now, m0s
lapis ruin
Guys, do u have the block % formula?
lapis ruin
ty
pastel phoenix
some one can tellme cap stats for haste mastery??? we need crit in BFA?
uneven mason
Haste cap is 100%
prisma crane
is it really?
prisma crane
why 100? shortest GCD?
uneven mason
Right
uneven mason
auto attacks don't produce most of our rage
sacred hound
anyone else finding it hard to find haste gear?
prisma crane
but i guess the only way to get around the shitty GCD mentality is to shorten it as much as possible
uneven mason
ilvl should be your primary focus overall.
prisma crane
nothing felt better than getting knocked back yesterday and having to wait a moment to charge back
oak nebula
@uneven mason does ilvl trump better azerite traits aswell?
uneven mason
Nope
prisma crane
it's in the IV guide for azerite traits
uneven mason
read the guide, there is some breakdown
oak nebula
groovy
prisma crane
at certain thresholds ilvl is better
uneven mason
but Azerite slots can't TF/WF
So you're generally going to be measuring them against equal ilvl anyway.
Like, I'm sure there is a breakpoint for SS tier traits and ilvl
steep cape
For leveling my warrior alt is there an ideal spec to level as? Is mass pulling with prot or cleaving things down as arms/fury better? Or is it just preference?
uneven mason
preference
you can pull more as prot
TBH Arms can pull nearly as much as prot
as logn as you have BS and DBTS up
Fury too, self sustain is very strong.
So yeah, preference
junior ivy
how do you avoid chopper guy gettingh speed buff?
in siege of boralus
chopper redhook
do we make him hit the bombs?
steep cape
@uneven mason whatβs dbts? Sorry noob warrior here
inland yarrow
How good is Darkmoon deck: Blockades?
steep cape
Thanks!
junior ivy
siege of boralus is fun
uneven mason
Saali its uh, ok, in lieu of having a limited number of other trinkets that are 355 ilvl.
undone sun
same
white kelp
Any tips for shadow zul in kings rest? just chain CD?
timid jay
That and keeping up with all the interrupts
Its probably the hardest part of the dungeon
prisma crane
human racial OP
errant ledge
I did mythics with my guild in quest gear and 265 sword and shield. To the guy that said prot takes a"bajillion dmg" you sir need to research your class and practice more. If you think im full of it check my wowprog logs/armory
Timing is key with prot
You are the disc preist of tanks which means, you will mitigate more dmg then any other tank IF you know when dmg/abilitys are comming and time your active mitigation and cds properly
potent radish
how good is the darkmoon deck for us?
undone sun
it's not
dusky summit
bad
haughty minnow
Um, am I still pooling rage for IP? It feels AIDs to pool rage, and then spend multiple gcds doing nothing but spam a smoll shield
regal island
lust
strong forum
peepz just gotta know what to do
dodge shit
kill gripping tentacle and use cannon and get out again
rinse and repeat
EZ AF if you ask me
regal island
eh u can block the slam. it's cake
junior ivy
314 ilvl now π
undone sun
siege is locked for horde, kings is locked for alli afaik
strong forum
ye
severe steeple
you need exalted to unlock? π¦
junior ivy
its a fun dungeon but wow that last boss sucks
haughty minnow
umM, how do you unlock seige of boralus :^)
compact sigil
hey guys, i've been looking but havent seen this trait anywhere, is it worth considering over Callous Reprisal in the same ring?
severe steeple
oh ok i can do it this week then
but i see some guys with exalted mounts already cmon
how much farm
undone sun
still friendly π
sick sentinel
@undone sun any good advice for thrash tanking?
vocal nimbus
still friendly too
uneven mason
use CDs proactively
junior ivy
wait is there a horde equivalent to siege of boralus?
sick sentinel
Pulling big packs and last standing it or SW?
haughty minnow
yes, king's rest
uneven mason
You should always have a CD running as prot
Its our strength
AM cycles our major CDs quickly.
DS use on CD, Avatar use on CD, Last Stand use on CD (when you need to cover a gap in SB uptime
sick sentinel
Im used to only using big cds in o shit moments
undone sun
i haven't tanked any dungeons on my warrior in bfa yet so my advice wont be 100% useful
sick sentinel
Basicaly cd away unless I need X for y spell?
undone sun
pretty much
sick sentinel
Hm any order of priorities?
I imagine LS for melee
Sw for casters
And RC for emergency?
uneven mason
Right, if you know you're going to take a lot of magic damage before it'd be available again (around 2.5min~) sit on SW, but otherwise roll it.
Rallycry isn't really a personal CD so much as a group CD, but yeah you can use it as one.
undone sun
yeah, pretty much that
LS for extended blocking durations
uneven mason
grab the block and IP tracker (in the pins)
Because you don't want to burn LS for the block whiel you have SB up
and vice versa
crystal musk
pummel and shieldbash macro? yes no?
undone sun
why
crystal musk
instant reset if target is casting
uneven mason
wat
Why would you macro them together
Because, if you pummel - they're no longer casting
thus, no instant reset on SB
crystal musk
yes but SB and then pummel..
uneven mason
Uh, well I guess, but since Pummel is off the GCD, and SB is on the GCD
undone sun
why not shield bash again
uneven mason
you'll pummel the cast
crystal musk
or better to spam sb
uneven mason
and not get the reset
yeah just spam
chances are whatever they're casting
isn't going to hurt as much as getting chain slapped by a car door
crystal musk
good point :> well thanks for the protection from my bad idea :>
uneven mason
I mean, you could set up a macro that has a modifier on it
crystal musk
yea will do that
uneven mason
like holding ctrl makes it SB instead of pummel.
alpine loom
How similar is fury and prot gear? I leveled fury and I'm tempted to switch prot for pugs. Is that a possibility?
teal galleon
How is Prot atm? I've been maining Brewmaster in BFA and finding myself feeling quite weak?
Considering changing but don't wanna put it off too long
uneven mason
All tanks are "weak" swapping between tanks expecting to find one that doesn't require a healer in dungeons is going to be rather futile, that being said, Prot is feeling great
trim venture
is raidbots up to date by now?
uneven mason
For prot?
distant halo
for some poeple it seems to be
distant halo
but my stats are still comming out bad for mastery
kind prairie
Just occurred to me we can accurately sim damage because damage taken doesn't affect rage
Woo!
uneven mason
ofc you can sim DPS for prot..
But if you do nothing but focus on dealing damage
You'll probably die.
kind prairie
Oh of course. I just remember in legion it was rarely accurate because of rage generated by damage taken, etc
I was just saying we can finally do it accurately
Or at least more accurate than previous
foggy abyss
holy hell, reminder to do your gear world quests, just got 355 boots from a world quest that originally gave 310 ilvl boots
vocal nimbus
If that wasnt changed ...
vocal nimbus
@undone sun are dungeon trinkets proccing still the same for us?
i just got 340 harlan's loaded dice
looks like a angerboda
vocal nimbus
nah just wondering if the halved effects/procs that raid trinkets had now applied to dungeon too or something
broken marsh
is it possible to generate stat weights from a sim based on tanking/survivability? My understanding is that sims are purely DPS output focused, but it would be nice to have something to refer to when determining stat importance as I gear up. Apologies if this is asked a lot
uneven mason
You can't really sim survivability outside of generating a EHP window
uneven mason
You can however sim what affects your survivability the most
Like, haste in general is a really strong stat for prot because it shortens our GCD, and increases our rage generation
thus it reduces the time our CDs are not avilable to us in conjunction with AM
lunar spade
Sorry if I shouldn't ask this here , but if there a way to make a macro that casts my intercept on a mouseover target if mousing over , but only if its friendly and otherwise it intercepts my target ? Having a bit of trouble when kiting wiht being unable to click intervene to my mates in the party , was thinking of doing party frame bound intercepts but that is a problem in itself that i'd have to change it each group
mild mauve
What azerite traits are you guya liking for prot?
Was thinking about tripple stacking thw
E IP ones
broken marsh
@uneven mason thank you, yeah I guess will have to just stick to a general priority, might disable pawn then if I can't accurately determine 'how much better' one stat is vs another
lunar spade
Found it I think , #showtooltip Intercept
/cast [@mouseover,nodead,exists] Intercept; Intercept seems to work for it
ashen trellis
@mild mauve You need atleast 1 Thunder clap trait for the extended Demo shout
uneven mason
@broken marsh just follow the general guide for haste > mastery>=vers > crit on equal ilvl pieces, but ilvl generally trumps (because Armor/Str/Sta will be our best 3 stats for survivability)
mild mauve
Thats a good one too
quasi tartan
latent sigil
Is it just me or why is the playstyle of prot not appealing to me with ignore pain on the GCD?
uneven mason
@quasi tartan I haven't had any rage issues, are you using the spec in the guide? @latent sigil I love the slower feeling prot, but there is a pretty heavy split between love it/hate it
vivid orchid
hey has anyone seen if the alchemy stone upgrades when you make them?
jaunty needle
Hey quick question for tanks, are holy paladins supposed to DPS as part of their healing rotation or whatever?
main vault
How the hell is that a tank question
undone sun
if they're strictly looking to heal, no
but Hpal is pretty much centered around doing damage and healing some
uneven mason
They uh, can ish..
undone sun
so a good hpal can rotate healing and dpsing when in need to to the respective
uneven mason
iirc the Crusader build was pretty heavily nerfed, and healers don't have a whole lot of spare GCDs
undone sun
hpal dps is actually quite strong
at least it was Β―_(γ)_/Β―
haven't really put too much thought into it, just slight conversation with guild's hpals
uneven mason
It was, I used to do more DPS on my Holy paladin than I did on him as ret βΏ
But, like, Healers actually have to heal in dungeons now
compact tulip
Has anybody noticed Into the Fray bugging out?
uneven mason
otherwise tanks die
zinc cape
Guys im new in prot spec any tips???
compact tulip
Currently won't stack at all for me, not even getting the buff from myself
vivid orchid
Ive had it stuck at 2 stacks for example
compact tulip
Seems you have to respec it to get it working again
uneven mason
Use cooldowns liberally, but try not to stack too many at once @zinc cape also - 
read the guides
jaunty needle
Well I just had one of the worst experiences with a holy pally who was trying to dps a little
just wondering if thats a different spec or soemthing
uneven mason
it can be, the one that optimizes their DPS isn't optimal for healing, sounds like the dude is still in the legion mentality
HPaladin was so stupid strong in dungeons because you could whip Holy Shocks for DPS out like they were free pizza outside a fat camp
distant wharf
Well, I just finished Shrine of the Storm and I want to kill myself after that
uneven mason
Now healers have to actually, shockingly enough, Heal.
And its not just warriors
Its any tank
distant wharf
it's the only sad thing about prot war, self heals
even fury got more sustain then prot
uneven mason
I generally get a few Kbs per pull because of AVatar+UF so I endup almost beating the healer on some pulls because of VR during last stand ><
But yeah, vs a boss no self sustain, can make things sticky
just gotta stay ahead of the damage, sadly, healers are expecting a tank who can react to damage and some don't grasp that unlike some of the other tanks, if we're low on HP we need attention NOW.
We drop slower than other tanks, but if we're low we're fully reliant on them to get us capped back off.
distant wharf
yup
uneven mason
WIsh they'd make Neversurrender a worthwhile talent
distant wharf
usually when I'm under 30% and pop most of my cd's, that health bar is just frozen π
uneven mason
increase the absorb by 300% at max, make the limit 20% for full effect and increase the % of hit absorbed...
like, at 20% health IP is 300% bigger - and absorbs 90% of the hit
That'd make NS a solid talent
exotic spoke
Where do the DMF trinkets Compare to other available trinkets. I tried checking icy veins but didnβt see them when I did
Primarily blockades / fathoms. Anyone know
distant wharf
but I'm sure 100%
If I get that BoE weapon the next run I'll drop 355 titanforged from myth π
steel mauve
heard blockades is just ok other than the ilvl it is when made
exotic spoke
I figured as much ilarikaze. I should have specified and been clearer. Which is better / do people think we need the survivability from blockades or can we be greedy and use fathoms
uneven mason
Tanks need survivability
jade socket
steel mauve
apparently fathoms is extremely strong dps wise, but thats all it is, it doesnt offer any survival other than the strength on it
uneven mason
ALtho yeah, the effect from fathoms
I mean, you're going to save more damage in lieu of the mobs dying faster
than the minuscule heal/stam on blockades
raw HP isn't a ton of use generally.
Beyond a certain amount.
But the DMD have a lot of str
which is armor for us
steel mauve
its stronger the earlier on you are in progression usually, but once you start getting more gear from progression raw hp tends to lose out
im thinking about just going fathoms over blockades personally, the strengh is massive, and the blockades effect is weak
exotic spoke
I was thinking same thing. Just saw the changes today to ilvl on them and didnβt want to do something stupid and spend 400k before researching
clear sapphire
Love rocking 3 340 azerite. Neck just has to catch up >.<
manic perch
hi guys quick question the shield slam treait brace for impact does it stack if you have multiples?
uneven mason
IT does
sick sentinel
how important is shield ilvl , guna tank m0 since i cant get accepted as a dps. but my prot shield is only ilvl 266
fierce juniper
it's pretty important, but you're not just gonna fall over because you don't have a good shield
chrome falcon
alright i have an incredibly important question, how the hell do i transmog to scale of the earth warder
severe steeple
i tanked mythics with a 300ilvl shield dunno about lower
little star
i tried to mog the flail only and it wouldnt work π¦
chrome falcon
ew wait if i want to use the shield i have to use the crappy 1 hander? gross
oblique slate
@sick sentinel I've tanked 4 mythics today with 266 shield. I had problem only in King's Rest. Adds simply destroy you there. Other than that you should be good if you don't fail mechaincs.
timid jay
Yeah if you want either appearance you need to use both
chrome falcon
the flail is sick in combat but it's so goofy when it clips into the ground during idle animation
timid jay
It really sucks, was hoping to be able to mix and match separate 1h's and shields from artifact apperances
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
chrome falcon
i really want to use the secret appearance because it's the best shield in the game, but the weapon is so fucking ugly
not sure why blizz would do it this way, kind of just seems like a good way of triggering people
timid jay
They even managed it better on beta
little star
just lazy imo
night kindle
Hi guys
Is it just me or have they made protection extremely boring now compared to earlier?
timid jay
Subjective, but yeah I agree
chrome falcon
why do they have a separate tab, why not just unlock each individual appearance separately
oh well
cinder bridge
just.. ignore pain on gcd is so...........
night kindle
Devastate spam into Shield Slam and Revenge on procc
chrome falcon
ignore pain on GCD really hurts
chrome falcon
but i think we'd be absurdly strong otherwise
night kindle
Yeah, it does
night kindle
Mattacate, how do you keep aggro when you have to keep yourself alive with Shield Block / Ignore Pain taking all the rage?
chrome falcon
Uh
night kindle
Since IGP is on GCD
chrome falcon
I press avatar
little star
if Ip wasnt on gcd it would be too good
timid jay
avatar with TC is more than enough for aggro
void quail
How is the heal from the trinket in Underot, does that stack up at all?
chrome falcon
Just Avatar->TC->Demo shout->TC
night kindle
Is it possible to make a macro for Avatar -> TC?
little star
my mythic version heals 4k @void quail
void quail
YIkes
night kindle
Thanks @chrome falcon
chrome falcon
Why do you need a macro lol
they're both on the GCD
just press one then the other
solemn kelp
Iron Fortress doesn't stack, does it?
little star
the damage is very bad also
night kindle
Yeah, just asking since I haven't played since WoD π
cinder bridge
I'd be super happy if ip wasn't on gcd
timid jay
Whats the RPPM on the trinket ken?
chrome falcon
if IP was off GCD we'd need a ton of nerfs
timid jay
Oh the spore pods have 1.69 RPPM
So, if you want a defensive trinket go back to antorus and get apoc drive
π
onyx radish
Is it pretty much consensus that prot damage is likely to be nerfed?
little star
7k on melee dmg is like half a trash mob hit in a mythic dungeon
void quail
Yeah i'm just gonna stick with my legion heal trinket which heals 6% max health per second for 10 seconds per mob hit on a 1m 30s CD.
timid jay
Its actually stupid how good apoc drive still is
Titanguard is still amazing
So yeah
little star
to the restoration page i go
void quail
Ampoule of Pure Void is really strong if anybody has it
crystal yew
Is there any way to increase the gain of artifact power I just hit 120 before I had to head to work
little star
Well smoldering was basically a paladin bubble in legion
vagrant cape
So the icyveins guide doesn't mention any of the generic warrior traits in the outer ring, does this mean they're all beneath the worst prot-specific trait in terms of priority?
little star
probably because they are aweful
smoky wave
Think it mentions them being awful because they're inconsistent?
chrome falcon
yeah they're all really bad
void quail
The demo one is good at 1 stack
vagrant cape
gotcha
idle fractal
hey guys, fast question. How good is the darkmoon trincket in war? im not sure if i want to buy it
timid jay
If you're talking about the defensive darkmoon trinket its pretty awful
vagrant cape
so another trait-related question not covered in the guide. If I have one deafening crash, what traits are better than a second deafening crash? (assuming ilvl is equal)
timid jay
More deafening crash are purely damage
blazing dirge
@idle fractal
timid jay
So any defensive trait really
void quail
@idle fractal
idle fractal
oops, didnt check this time. Sorry π
vagrant cape
right, it only adds damage, but how valuable is that comapred to the dps granted by the revenge trait, for instance? If dps is my main priority, where does a second DC fall in the tier list?
blazing dirge
Not acceptable:)
vagrant cape
I'd wager it's still pretty high since we're basically thunderclap with a shield
tawny perch
hm it seems like my Into the Fray isnt working in a dungeon
timid jay
afaik there has been no work to the SimC module for prot warriors so you'll just have to log some dungeons and do some quick math on it
tawny perch
anyone know about this?
vagrant cape
@hazy path we do the most dps of all the tanks and we're high skill with average reward defensively
vagrant cape
well, we actually have pretty good magic mitigation relative to other tanks
and avatar + demo shout with deafening crash feels so good
little star
until u need to use IP that is
vagrant cape
fuck IP
little star
but theres alot of rock throwers and casters in bfa dungeons that u cant block so
vagrant cape
we don't talk about that abomination of a skill
little star
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
tawny perch
well, relogging fixed it
hazy path
first week mythic is it gonna be okish or ;/
tawny perch
thanks
timid jay
Not being able to block is comparable to other tanks
Since tank AM is armor now
Spells that is
vagrant cape
with an aoe stun and an aoe disorient and a shitton of aoe damage, I FEEL (not definitively) that warriors are gonna probly be right behind vengeance DH in terms of overall mythic+ goodness
please tear me apart now
I'm ready
hazy path
How about mythic raids tho for the first 2 weeks
hazy path
im being harrased to play monk but not into kongfu
vagrant cape
warriors are gonna be fine. they're really strong as long as you play well and know the fights well
timid jay
Unless you're really pushing world rankings trying to force people to play specific classes is a big wutface
vagrant cape
idk what you can spell reflect in uldir, so they may be super good
timid jay
Usually changes around a bit, I believe sense is picking up the reflectable/blockable spreadsheet
Might be worth holding on a bit for him to update it
vagrant cape
after playing prot paladin all through legion, I love prot warriors so much more. Their mobility and their cc and their damage (even though prot pallies also dished out a ton) is so fun and amazing
I love beating all the dps on trash pulls
that's why I play this game
hazy path
is sense still playing prot week one ?
timid jay
Last I talked to him yeah
sick sentinel
random question, I have set protection loot, and on recent 16 item drops from dungeons got 15 azerite armors, changing to arms / fury can somehow change some priority? (i pretty much only get loot from last boss always) or is it just RNG
astral crystal
@tawny perch dont knwo if you fixed your issue already, but just respec into it
i feel like i clicked it off by mistake once
sick sentinel
guys is there any cast addon to show casting bar and target?
hazy path
im just gonna say fuck it and tank as prot did you guys level as prot or fury/arms ? considering the toon is in 982 ilvl gear from elgion
in beta i lvled as prot but it kinda slwoed down at 116
sick sentinel
I prefer fury lvling
it has very good aoe for 4 targets
and I didnt pull more than that in 95% cases
hazy path
thanks for answeing my questions beloved warriors
see you on the parsing charts
the only thing that matters
xD
" hopes it's the right call "
normal quiver
I'm lvling prot. I just pull the zone and profit.
robust kraken
anyone else having problems with into the fray not working
uncut fractal
Would you say this is better for defense?
Like should I keep this if I have trouble in mythic?
vocal nimbus
harlan's loaded dice 340 π€
timid jay
With the changes to primary stat to armor
Idk really
Neither are really good defensive trinkets
hot locust
There just aren't any good defensive trinkets at all.
west sky
jes' howler seems good
vagrant cape
Does anyone else have an issue with overcapping rage in dungeons? When I'm in avatar I alternate between clap and revenge over and over to try to spend as much rage as possible to get my CDs back up (I hate using IP so I try not to use it during avatar). This usually means I rarely shield slam during aoe pulls, is that normal?
fierce juniper
Yeah, that's pretty normal
vagrant cape
Sometimes my revenge procs happen too often and I can't spend any rage, though. Is there a way to lower my parry and dodge chance so I can get fewer revenge procs?
fierce juniper
I mean, you should still be casting IP if you need the survivability ofc, but particularly in dungeons on large pulls, during Avatar, it's not super uncommon to cap rage sometimes
especially with BV, etc
wut
why would you want fewer revenge procs
twin hazel
Honestly though free procs should count as if you spent the rage for AM
twin hazel
so we wouldnt even think of the possibility of decreasing our avoidance in order to not get free procs
THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT
sorry caps
vagrant cape
Yeah, it's really unintuitive.
I feel like it would be almost too good if they did that, though
I want a talent that removes the procs and adds a slow or something to it
vagrant cape
Shield block :+1:
vagrant cape
I'd take a skill off the GCD that did literally nothing except drain 10 rage every time you use it
sick sentinel
I don't see bloodrite listed under azerite traits, is it any good?
chrome falcon
Similar question, Meticulous Scheming seems really good, is it really worse than all of the prot specific traits
It gives more haste on proc than my trinket, and for longer
twin hazel
i dont think they measured any of them because they are zone specific traits
there are a shit ton of them
if you think it looks good
try it
zealous heart
Are the alchemy trinkets at all worth looking at compared to heroic gear?
modern trout
Iβm a new protecktor boy
fierce juniper
no
zealous heart
Dang. Aight thanks
fierce juniper
You're talking about stone right
little star
surging alchemists stone i assume
fierce juniper
yeah i mean the effect is decent, but its gonna be outclassed by higher ilvl trinkets
since you cant upgrade it
zealous heart
Yeah, which is weird. Like, day 4 it's already passed by
stiff nebula
is there a list of azerite traits up yet?
trying to find out which ones to pick for 4th ring on helm
split ingot
How is DarkMoon Deck: blockades for tanking?
little star
Gilded Loa Figurine is basically the same and gives higher Main stat on the proc
stiff nebula
@split ingot i like it
little star
DmD effect is trash
vocal nimbus
No
little star
your basically only paying for the strength
vocal nimbus
You craft what it shows
vocal nimbus
Will be left behind fairly fast
split ingot
yeah, but not too expensive to make
little star
good first trinket but replaceable very fast
vocal nimbus
If you can farm the mats get a friend alchemist to make you one
Its quite simple to make
split ingot
yeah
vagrant cape
I know stacking defensive CDs is bad unless absolutely necessary, but with how much uptime demo shout has, is it ok to overlap it with shield block, ignore pain, or last stand?
Or should I aim to have just one up at a time unless but hits are coming my way?
little star
shield block, IP and demo shout are your rotational AM with Last stand to fill in the gaps for SB
sick sentinel
How are people feeling about Vial of Animated Blood vs a lower ilvl str/haste procc trinket?
little star
Shield Wall is your big hit coming or not sure if you can survive till this pack dies defensive
little star
i'd suggest giving the icy veins protection guide a read, alot about defensives and when to use them is explained in-depth there
chrome falcon
@vagrant cape yeah there's nothing wrong with overlapping DS and SB
currently i'm just firing off DS whenever it's up, SB whenever stuff is hitting me, LS whenever SB is down for more than a few seconds and SW for all the scary magical bullshit
and feeling really tanky
astral harness
whys this spec so shit
good vs blockable dmg
thats it
was shockwave really OP
or does it not dr like warbing used to
chrome falcon
i think shockwave and some other aoe CCs might get buffed
zealous heart
We do have spell reflect still for magic damage
astral harness
reflect is good for predictable big magic hit
but in dungeon it will drop once the first thing is reflected
chrome falcon
yeah i hate that change so much lol
totally forgot that SR always lasting 5 seconds was an artifact ability
zealous heart
And now it's only up to 3 seconds, too
ember arrow
what?
fiery pendant
have the azerite trait requirements gone down for anyone else?
ive just got the first trait on my 340 chest that i thought i got at 18
snow nest
Weird that azerite items with the same ilvl have different heart level requirements for traits...
fiery pendant
i think its meant to cycle through, like you a new one 3 levels in a row
snow nest
Just feels off having same ilvl drop and potentially losing traits
plain vapor
https://i.imgur.com/f3g169t.png thoughts?
just got as a drop
set bonus seems minimal
twin hazel
well its a 350
crystal night
Guys I just got 340 of that trinket in Zulduzar
+205 Str and 730 haste for 8 sec
Should I rock that and 340 Eye of Rezan?
unborn frost
Is it normal that other tanks beside warriors have a larger health pool ? And if so why is that?
spring surge
how is the darkmoon deck blackades for tanking?
main vault
Terrible
ember dagger
@unborn frost I think warriors have had pretty middling tank health in the past expansions (and hopefully carrying over into this expansion). They're behind both Bear tank and Blood DH simply because the first is just a big HP bar and the second plays with their HP as the core mechanic. We have a lot of ways to mitigate physical damage to the point that it barely hurts us, so we don't exactly need a big impressive HP numbers. I think us and paladins have similar health pools, but anyone else please chime in if I'm wrong.
main vault
Bear is third most hp though
ember dagger
Oh?
main vault
DH>DK>Bear
ember dagger
I always forget DH
main vault
Bear hp got nerfed
ember dagger
but my point still stands, those first two have huge HP pools because they're always playing around with it
and thank god for that, I remember last xpac when bear just wouldn't die
in PvP especially
astral harness
in legion i felt like it was 70% up to me and 30% up to th healer if i died
now its reversed
sick sentinel
the thought of fortified m+ scares me
some of the trash in these dungeons are crazy + stun and iterrupt immune
weary notch
is bolstering still around? That scares me more
onyx radish
Are we getting damage nerfed?
I don't know how we compare to other tanks other than we're top damage
ember arrow
we actually got best physical metigation of them all
tidal pier
hi boys, where did you get a good shield? I still have a green 241 one
onyx radish
@tidal pier mythic ataldazar
tidal pier
oh great, thanks!
tardy oak
lol
asking our healing officer whos playing monk
what you think of protection warriors
"hate to heal them"
lol
ember arrow
thats a first
weary notch
those tanks probably have low ilvl shields (good shields are hard to find), took the wrong talents, or are playing incorrectly. The disparity between the right and wrong talents for prot is quite large. Too large
timber nest
are there any azerite traits worth stacking?
nocturne river
Just looking for ballpark, but would be considered decent ST DPS if following the setup in the pins?
timber nest
is it better to have 2 Impassive visage traits or 1 impassive visage + 1 bulwark of the masses?
next ermine
Getting a shield has to be the most disheartening thing atm
next ermine
I have a crafted 300 one ATM. Still haven't seen a single person get one in 20ish+ heroics
Rest of my gear is 325+ except my shield haha
jagged bay
@tidal pier some rares drop one like a yeti
next sable
Into The Fray talent not working for anyone else?
azure dock
next sable
Nice, I'll have to try that π Thanks brother
next ermine
Into the Fray has been borked since the expansion dropped. Mines been working all day so far but yesterday it constantly broke
nocturne river
Mine seems to be stuck at 3
next ermine
Untalent it then retalent and it'll fix
I have no clue how it breaks. Wether it's a phasing thing. Zone change. Or what
next sable
If I have to reset every time I hit a loading screen I'm gonna yell
cinder bridge
what's the name of the addon which colors nameplates differently depending on if you have aggro
probably several but a popular one
topaz ember
i'm not getting the into the fray buff icon or see the haste increase on my stats page anyone else have this happen?
junior ivy
321 ilvl !!!
undone sun
Nice
undone sun
Avatar probably
topaz ember
i also just got one and i pop it with avatar for that extra aoe dmg but what do i know
mystic trellis
Shield block up, Ignore pain still more than 30%, 90+ rage. wat do?
I've been just ignoring it and aoeing hard.. not sure
lean tangle
I really wish ignore pain was off the gcd. It would make it feel so much better.
Prot just doesn't feel as good as Legion.
frigid blaze
Hey, guys. I'm using Marok's IP tracker but I only want it to display if my shield is >1. Any ideas how I can arrange this?
mystic trellis
Go to trigger, scroll down, change Always to Buffed
frigid blaze
Awesome, thank you!
mystic trellis
Np
floral hatch
@mystic trellis id revenge for the rage for Anger Management use.
mystic trellis
Yeah that's what I've been doing, though I still prioritise TC
Especially with the revenge proc sometimes makes it so difficult to get out of cap
vagrant cape
@junior ivy I got that same trinket and I really like it, but I wouldn't macro it to avatar. I don't macro it, I use it separately and here's why:
Avatar is almost always followed immediately by a demo shout and then a thunderclap. If you macro it to avatar, you waste two GCDs of the 10 seconds and macroing it with demo shouts wastes one GCD.
I do avatar > demo shout > trinket activation + thunderclap for maximum use of the 10 seconds.
Having offensive CDs on the GCD is awful
torn ice
anyone else feel really weak in world pvp?
vagrant cape
I find that never participating in world PvP makes me feel quite good, so I'd try that
cloud bone
how good would a 345 plunderbeard's flask with avoidance be over the alchemist stone and 325 rezan trinket?
pine sable
what is the aoe dmg talent set up?
pine sable
@undone sun Tanking some dungeons for some buds (main arms) just winging it talent wise so far
junior ivy
in atal dazar
the boss who puts green stuff on ground
that you kite
how do i survive.
vagrant cape
Never stop moving backward unless you need to interrupt
Kite in a big triangle, but leave a little space on the outer edge for melee to stand
During avatar, I find that I have to use a lot of ignore pains no matter how much I hate it
I do thunderclap > IP > thunderclap > SB and repeat
But that boss is a pain. Stop moving for one second and you get chunked
little rain
In case no1 has seen this yet, this cloak has twice the stamina on it for some reason, and is in most AH's for lik 300k.
little rain
its not a tooltip error
vagrant cape
#smallindiecompany
torn ice
soooo anyone figure out world pvp for prot?
vagrant cape
"Don't do it" is my advice as a hater of PvP
torn ice
but i dont hate world pvp i just feel really weak right now
vagrant cape
points at forehead Can't feel weak if you don't PvP
Sorry, I'm being unhelpful. I'm stopping now
torn ice
lol
vagrant cape
So how would y'all feel if we had a skill that let us pick up an enemy and use them as a shield? To balance it, we'd use two hands to hold them and we'd only be allowed to use shield block and shield slam (with the enemy, of course)
weary notch
I just got the normal version of this trinket. Seems really good: https://www.wowhead.com/item=159627/jes-howler&bonus=4779:1512
junior ivy
ive done 3 mythics now !
royal lance
Hey guys,
is there a way to get Maroks IP WA as a Bar?
Clicking on "Convert to Progress Bar" isnt working:/
sweet kettle
@torn ice prot warrior doesnt have any self heal when not killing stuff or running impending victory and self healing is basically the reason tanks are so strong in world pvp
vagrant cape
I want people to see that prot warriors are the best tanks. They don't have to be the best, but I want people to think that. We should all start threads on /r/wow and talk about how easy it is to heal prot warriors, how much damage they do, how tough they are, and how easy and fun they are. Sound like a plan?
People on /r/wow are sheep and they'll believe anything with over 100 up votes
undone sun
no
vagrant cape
I think you lack vision
ember dagger
Pretty sure that's vote manipulation which I believe is against the rules
vagrant cape
So we'll make throwaway accounts. Any other objections?
We also don't have to all upvote threads, but if we start enough, some will float to the top
mystic trellis
Just tryna gauge opinion again: if SB is up, ignore pain is still above 30%, and rage is almost capped, what would you do
I've been thunderclapping/revenge for the aoe dps
ember dagger
Depends tbh
If you're getting close to 30% IP might as well cast another one that way you don't waste rage and only lose a little bit of IP value
or if you're fine on IP and SB is up/unavailable might as well dump into a revenge for the anger management
plain gyro
Yo guys havent played in a while is prot as bad as i been reading
bout to level a dk or warr
ember dagger
sometimes it might even be fine to ragecap
From what I've been hearing, prot is only bad if you're not using the proper talents/traits to supplement those talents
stable widget
ive cleared all mythics so far
ember dagger
it's not a great spot for a class to be in but it's playable
valid trout
I can't tell from reading the guide; is it a WASTE to have Deafening Crash on all three pieces of Azerite armor?
Nevermind, I read further. Funny how that works.
ember dagger
lol
junior ivy
321 ilvl π
copper lion
is there a way to survive the tick dmg in underrot when they all explaode besides popping all my defensives
junior ivy
i can barely survive any boss mechanics in any dungeon
half jewel
i thought they would pull if u went right, i'll have to try it out next run
Also, anyone have suggestions for the dudes in Freehold that shoulder toss you?
next ermine
I haven't had a single problem tanking pug heroics and guild mythics so far as prot
brisk flax
did they really make it so i cant macro to pop both Avatar and demo shout at the same time?
next ermine
Yes
brisk flax
LOL
next ermine
Since pre patch
next ermine
It's been like that for weeks now
brisk flax
i just logged in
undone sun
months if you count alpha and beta
next ermine
Everything is on gcd except shield block and big cds
ember dagger
if you really miss it you can cast sequence it lmao
brisk flax
so what was the point of this? To make people have to press multiple buttons
ember dagger
IP on GCD still does feel bad though
next ermine
@ember dagger nah, intercept on gcd feels bad
ember dagger
intercept too, but I hardly remember it's on gcd
ember dagger
tbh 1 button dps macros are boring
next ermine
And its really not that bad once you get used to it
brisk flax
more of a hastle to have to wait a GCD to pop all CDs lol
whatever gotta live with it
next ermine
Intercept/taunt. Avatar. Demo. T-clap
brisk flax
even if it is stupid
ya mmmm Taunt on GCD that sounds fun
cant wait for that
that's prolly next ?
ember dagger
tbh I don't mind the gcd changes for this class, save for IP
brisk flax
so much face palm
wonder whose idea that was
on the dev team
"hey guys, i know what we should do! Lets put everything on GCD!"
next ermine
It's more fun than spamming shield slam 5 times then t clapping and auto attacking imo
undone sun
i strongly disagree
ember dagger
I feel like there's more of an ebb and flow to it now
brisk flax
ya i wont be able to tell that until im in a dungeon
do mouse over macros at least still work?
undone sun
yes
next ermine
I only use mouse over for intercept and it works fine
brisk flax
gonna add that to intercept and taunt
next ermine
Since you missed gcd changes I'll let you know aggro has been reduced drastically
brisk flax
spent most of my first day back setting up my UI, addons, and fuckin with macros
next ermine
So if an arms warrior or a DH pull off of you in AoE don't be surprised
finite cairn
aggro changes are making me hate DH's
brisk flax
Tanked during BC
next ermine
No tank ATM can really hold aoe aggro from a decent dh
brisk flax
so i dont think it will bother me too much
ember dagger
Bladestorm rips aggro off of tanks so hard now lmao
finite cairn
feels worse than BC imo cause every dps is a little spazotron that blows all their shit instantly
brisk flax
Omen is probably mandatory now
brisk flax
hahaha just be a cuck and bring pre pots and a strength flask
ember dagger
lmao that's true
players have been trained to blow they're loads as fast as possible now
brisk flax
ya they have
that is probably why they changed it like this
to mess with people
get them to learn to not be derpy
next ermine
Shockwave is good for resetting at least
finite cairn
I blame the m+ invitational
next ermine
I mean. M+ is basically who can cheese a dungeon the best
bleak wyvern
next ermine
If your not like top 100 world I wouldn't worry
finite cairn
I'm enjoying prot but I can feel the healer hate, none of them like having to actually heal the tank
brisk flax
They can prefer us least all they want
if you know what you are doing
still good
things change too
next patch we could be the most prefered
lol
ember dagger
yeah I'm eager to see the next set of hotfixes
brisk flax
you never know
finite cairn
oh i know and i really enjoy all of our tools we have
brisk flax
Blizzard is so freakin random with their nerf bat and buffs
next ermine
Blizz isn't even done reworking. Shaman's for example aren't even being touched till 8.1
next ermine
No
finite cairn
but constantly hearing healer bitch about having to heal me it makes running dungeons a drag sometimes, like i do me but its annoying as all get out
brisk flax
thank fuckin god
next ermine
At least not yet
finite cairn
legiondaries are gone
brisk flax
that shit was super annoying
finite cairn
might be an icc or ulduar style legendary in the works
next ermine
But they won't go back to the legion system
finite cairn
some hints to that
brisk flax
completely random luck and some ditzy fuckin retard warriors i used to see would end up getting BiS shit while i literally got my BiS last
finite cairn
my warrior was an alt in legion, it was astonishing to me how good thundergods was since he never had it, once i could buy it, that was insanity
brisk flax
i had all of them
but it took FOREVER
even running literally every lock out, etc and high keys repeatedly banging my head into it for a million years
next sable
I used the bracers and gloves mostly, but I switched out for the ring/belt when needed. Bracers were just too good to give up π
crystal yew
Holy shit a 20 stack of monelite ore is 2400 on my server
next sable
Beginning of xpac prices are absolutely goofy with people trying to rush stuff
crystal yew
Damn
half jewel
i sold the 350 boe polearm today for 900k
next ermine
Ya. I might spend Monday just farming or tbh. 1 to finish making my jc. 2 to sell
half jewel
Made a lot selling BS weps and plate gear too
smoky wave
I wish I'd jumped on the ores harder at the start. Made loads from bs too but it's getting harder now
crystal yew
@half jewel nice Iβm fixing to move zulβjin
half jewel
i knew what u meant
half jewel
even worse with low haste
crystal yew
Yea I just 120 right before I left for work and my haste is ass right now
7% with out into the fray
half jewel
im at 12%
ember dagger
Devastator was always clunky
half jewel
i enjoyed not having to spam devastate
crystal yew
Me 2
amber siren
You shouldn't be spamming devastate right now either really, it's the last ability in our priority order unless you're rage starved
ember dagger
^
crystal yew
I hate devastate lol
ember dagger
always felt better to have some button to press
always felt weird to just have to sit and wait for cooldowns
imo
but I play undead female so my devastate animation was that neat frontflip strike
that might also have something to do with it
ember dagger
RIP
crystal yew
When I transfer Iβm thinking about race changing
ember dagger
What server are you looking to transfer to?
crystal yew
Zuljin
ember dagger
Hmm
crystal yew
Got a bunch of friends over on zuljin
junior ivy
pick gnome
crystal yew
Staying horde
crystal yew
Hate gnome
amber siren
gnomes actually look p cool in the kultiran quest armour
like little battle garden ornaments
amber siren
i think @junior ivy has a picture she posted recently
crystal yew
In what transmog page?
junior ivy
uh lemme find it
amber siren
ember dagger
That armor looks good on most ally races
junior ivy
that was it yeh
crystal yew
Lmao
plain gyro
should i do it guys bout to boost prot lol
amber siren
yes
amber siren
wait is that a quest or the mount
crystal yew
Lmao
amber siren
aw
crystal yew
All my friends are horde
amber siren
yeah i feel that
i would be gnome if i could, like i even have a gnome warrior sitting theree
junior ivy
i got a few horde friends, it sucks i cant play with them
amber siren
just cant justify maining it
dark junco
Yo is Filthy treansfusion > Iron fortress
junior ivy
i do have a 110 horde warrior too.. i just dont play it
amber siren
@dark junco it'll be in the pins
ember dagger
make sure you're using the right talents
junior ivy
lemme see
amber siren
press buttons 
crystal yew
Yea random threat drops suck
junior ivy
ember dagger
lmao
yep
idk dude I've been having no issues using those and deafening crash trait
dark junco
it doesn't cover it
junior ivy
i found threat easier in wotlk π¦
crystal yew
Same
amber siren
if i look at the guide and i see the answer im going to be a v grumpy boi
undone sun
yeah, the threat changes are most similar to tbc times
crystal yew
I started playing on wraith prepatch
dark junco
@undone sun can you help me out, can't find any info about Filthy tranfusion on the warrior icyveins
π¦
amber siren
if it's not there it's not good
Prioritize the traits in the following order:
Deafening Crash Icon Deafening Crash
Brace for Impact Icon Brace for Impact
Iron Fortress Icon Iron Fortress
Bloodsport Icon Bloodsport
Callous Reprisal Icon Callous Reprisal
Reinforced Plating Icon Reinforced Plating
Seems to me like the leech would be good
Yeah well there's nothing not warrior in it, I'd be surprise if it means its not good at all
undone sun
i doubt it'll hold any value
amber siren
an azerite power that requires you to keep the mobs still as a tank for it to work is already red flag material
it's not good
surreal stump
so i forget whom i was speaking to other day about deafening crash stacking or not. but the extending effect stacks wouldnt that just ruin all the rest of the effects?
amber siren
the damage stacks the duration doesn't
dark junco
only damage stack past 1st one
surreal stump
i have 2 pcs
dark junco
not enhenced duration
undone sun
damage stacks regardless
procs, durations, and percentages do not
surreal stump
for half hour
dark junco
Will need logs on that
surreal stump
maybe uio glitch?
undone sun
stats stack
surreal stump
ui*
undone sun
hard to say without logs Β―_(γ)_/Β―
surreal stump
hmm ill go run some in a bit, too many world quests to do
could be that im just blonde this evening
fierce juniper
@surreal stump Everytime you Thunder Clap you gain 4 seconds on Demo Shout?
with the 2 traits
surreal stump
its jumping by 4 at least was seeming too. like i said ill check after my world quests
i got some randomr eward so i put it on it to test
vocal nimbus
how can i unlock more flightpaths in kultiras as horde?
doing normal quests or farming honorbound rep
undone sun
i know drustvar just doesn't have any flightpoints on the east side
chilly brook
loving prot rn
surreal stump
it does when u hit honored with them u unlock missions u can buy from rep vendor
crystal yew
Hell hardly any gear up on world quest
vocal nimbus
really?
surreal stump
for more fps
vocal nimbus
what a bummer
vocal nimbus
so, only 6 hours each time you do a quest?
surreal stump
no the missions only avail when u use it for 6ish hours
so if yer followers cant do both at same time ull waste war resources
and have to buy second one again
vocal nimbus
and if you complete the mission you have the fp forever?
vocal nimbus
alright, thats better then
surreal stump
you walk over click on banner turn in