protection

[strong forum]

fury is bad cuz its weak

[uncut fractal]

Is that 1st boss?

[fiery pendant]

depends

can be any order for first 3

but yeah its the council fight

[uncut fractal]

I honestly enjoy waycrest manor

[fiery pendant]

i like the dungeon a lot

coven just does a fuckload of damage to the group

my rdruid was struggling

only dungeon i dont really like at all so far is motherlode

siege of boralus is fantastic

kraken boss best boss

[uncut fractal]

wait I haven't done siege of boralus yet

how so

[ember arrow]

i love waycrest

[fiery pendant]

have you done the questline to unlock it

[ember arrow]

it feels like the adams family

also i wanted a spooky mansion in wow

[uncut fractal]

Where do you get the questline from? 7th legion?

[fiery pendant]

naw

finish all 3 storylines

quest from genn

[uncut fractal]

The Jaina one?

[fiery pendant]

yea

[uncut fractal]

Pride of Kultiras?

[fiery pendant]

yea

[uncut fractal]

I need to do shrine of the storm quest

Ty

[fiery pendant]

waycrest manor after that

with a few quests in between

then you unlock siege of boralus

though it was bugged to fuck today

some guildies unlocked it and couldnt get in

[uncut fractal]

Is it good dungeon or cancer?

[fiery pendant]

great dungeon

last boss is really cool, but the 3 before it are good too

and theres a really cool cinematic at the end 😄

[uncut fractal]

king's rest is this locked as well?

[fiery pendant]

kings rest is unlocked after 7k 7th legion rep i think

or possibly 7.5k

im at 5500

[crystal night]

318 ilvl with 277 Weap and shield. How much tanker should I expect to feel with 325 shield over my 277?

[fiery pendant]

way way way tankier

will make a big difference

[crystal night]

Ty haha I needed that motivation

[uncut fractal]

I have a 266 shield

Thanks

[fiery pendant]

get urself a crafted 300

will make doing heroics much easier

[uncut fractal]

Story time: I actually scrapped my 290 shield

And had to spend 300 gold on a 266 one

[fiery pendant]

make friends with a blacksmith

[tardy oak]

how much are the 300 ones>

[fiery pendant]

its like 30 storm silver ore for a 300

[astral crystal]

finding a shield is ass so far

[tardy oak]

?

[crystal night]

I've been tanking m0 with it haha

[uncut fractal]

I am a blacksmith

[fiery pendant]

😮

make one then

[uncut fractal]

but it takes like 50k gold to get to skill 100

as ores are overpriced af

[fiery pendant]

im mining / bs

[uncut fractal]

and 300 ilvl shields are 20k+ on AH

[tardy oak]

20k for 200 ilvl!?

300*

[fiery pendant]

126/150 bs 150/150 minin

[tardy oak]

wtf

[crystal night]

Not bad

[uncut fractal]

yea its dumb

[crystal night]

Ty boys

[fiery pendant]

just pick mining up and get farming my bro

[uncut fractal]

where do you farm most ores?

drustvar?

[fiery pendant]

ive been super lucky in stormsong

[uncut fractal]

random route or specific?

[fiery pendant]

dont really follow a route

but stay away from the east side of the zon

e

mostly just lap around briarback kraul and deadwash

ymmv, i havent tried the horde zones at all

[uncut fractal]

Oh I'll give that a try

What ilvl are you guys planning to reach before raid & m+ unlocks?

[fiery pendant]

340 ish at least tbh

3 weeks of m0's should get us that far

[uncut fractal]

so 340+ is the safe area

to get a place in pugs

[fiery pendant]

oh

no way

pugs will want higher

[uncut fractal]

oh god

[fiery pendant]

i dont pug very often, but in my experience they usually start asking like just below what the raid drops

[uncut fractal]

I'm honestly in a safe place right now. 333 ilvl and most pugs require 315+

[fiery pendant]

and climb rapidly

[uncut fractal]

for mythic dungs that is

[fiery pendant]

not bad

[uncut fractal]

I've had some good groups so far

[fiery pendant]

wait

ur 333 with a 266 shield

what the fuck

[uncut fractal]

Yes

[fiery pendant]

how neverlucky with shields are you lol

[uncut fractal]

I have no clue

I can use my 150 ilvl artefact shield if that's better

Lul -30 ilvl

[fiery pendant]

lmfao

[uncut fractal]

5% versatility is that bad?

[vast agate]

does anyone have a run down on what traits to loot for on prot?

dps wise and then survival wise

I dont see any info on that pinned here

I guess it's hard to sim that kinda stuff

[uncut fractal]

i'm looking at the 8.0 prot changes and I only see nerfs 😦

Not a single good thing

[twin hazel]

check the actual link in the pins

and you might find what youre looking for

[crystal night]

How many I lvls is brace for impact worth?

[twin hazel]

not sure we have those kind of values yet

except deafeninig crash is like 15-25? ilvls

[crystal night]

we

we're only supposed to have 1 /3 deafening crash right?

[summer basalt]

1 deafening crash and the other bracer x2 i think

anyone know a good WA for protec and all abilities

[twin hazel]

is dungeon spamming good leveling?

[vagrant cape]

no

[ember arrow]

@summer basalt wago.io has some good ones

SB and IP trackers are in pins

[twin hazel]

I like sloots WA's but you have to subscribe and link your twitch to see them.

[ember arrow]

i jsut use one of the top ones

for prot

[vagrant cape]

I'd also highly recommend this battle shout tracker

https://wago.io/S1u7ESyrX

I forget to apply it so often

[twin hazel]

ive been needing one just hadnt bothered putting in the time to search lol you saved me the trouble

[vagrant cape]

Also, question, what would be better; two deafening crash traits or one deafening crash and one callous reprisal?

(the one that makes revenge do more damage and add a damage reduction debuff)

Also another question; I find that I have too much rage during avatar. Is there a way to reduce my parry/dodge so my revenges aren't free as often?

[twin hazel]

lol

[vagrant cape]

serious question tho

I hate, HATE using a GCD for ignore pain

so I try to spam revenge and thunderclap during avatar

[twin hazel]

over capping rage now isnt such a bad thing anymore since we dont have a rage dump

[vagrant cape]

and I still overcap

oh, ok

[twin hazel]

thats how i feel

others may not agree

[vagrant cape]

but I also wanna dump so I can get avatar/demo available sooner

so is there any other way to spend rage aside from impending victory?

[twin hazel]

um dont get impending victory

nut ha there really isnt

[vagrant cape]

I would never do that, but as far as I know there are only four non-pvp rage dumps; IP, revenge, SB, and impending victory

are there any others?

[merry monolith]

Any info if they would remove GCD from some of the abilities, it feels so damn clunky ._.

[undone sun]

nope and it's highly unlikely

[pastel blade]

I feel like I'm havning a hard time balancing when IP and SB is up in relation to rage capping

Might just be me. But I'm having a harder time getting my rotation down than I expected

[broken kite]

335 shield feelsgoodman

[regal island]

lol the 350 boe epic one was on the ah for 50k. snagged it up, cant decide if i wana use it or just resell it.

[twin hazel]

wow someone goofed

id sell it just to have gold for the expansion

[broken kite]

resell it

[bright night]

whats best talents for mythic dungs

[sullen sleet]

Hey guys, is the darkmoon card trinket any good for prot warriors?

[main vault]

lulz

[twin hazel]

read the pins

to both of your questions

[sullen sleet]

oh thanks

😃

[fair crystal]

guys reckong the tank DMC is worth getting ?

[blazing dirge]

I feel like the answer to your question is literally on your screen :)

[fair crystal]

yeah i legit just saw that LOL sorry

[ember arrow]

hey guys is the DMD trinket good?

[main vault]

slap yourself

[ember arrow]

can do

[orchid flower]

Hate that I can't hold aggro by staring at my enemies

I miss that hahaa

[ember arrow]

it still feels that way mostly

issue is pulling aggro OFF of allies, or if they bodypulld or nonjapulled, then its noticeable

also DH burst

[orchid flower]

biggest issue is when a second group gets accidently pulled

[sick sentinel]

and thunder clap is on cd after first second of pulling

😂

[orchid flower]

Literally my life, Im like shiiiiiit

Using shockwave as a desperate attempt hahaha

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[ember dagger]

the spec feels like it's just thunderclap now

thunderclap warrior

[sacred jetty]

Man, I know devastator is way worse than the other options but I just really like not having another button to hit.

[ember arrow]

you barely hitdevastate in the first place

[kind tinsel]

So these 340 azerite pieces. Do I just store these away for a couple days until i have the heart level for the traits? Seems super weird to not be able to equip an upgrade.

[ember arrow]

u can equip them

u cant unlock the traits

[sick sentinel]

I am just starting to play prot and I have NO idea how to play it ;_;

[main vault]

They may be better without traits at 340

[kind tinsel]

Yeah I'm not sure how to weigh a 2 trait 310 piece vs a 340 no traits

[sick sentinel]

What is the best way to practice tanking without people getting upset with me?

[plain vapor]

hmm

just got a fist wep from a wq

guess ill have to use this to tank

[weary notch]

I saw that. Right as I was going to do it another one for an axe popped in the same zone

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel rule #1 of tanking, dont care, makingmistakes just comes with practice

otherwise just do easier content, where mistakes arent punished too much

or practice rotation by hitting theclass dummy or questing

[sick sentinel]

@ember arrow Thanks for the help bro 😛 I am kinda bricking it lmao

[ember arrow]

i would advice on NOT hitting the tanking dummy

he will annihilate you

unless it was changed

[undone sun]

it was scaled to 120 so it really should be that much of an issue now

[ember arrow]

ah ok

also, since the expansion is just beginning, everyone gotta get used to the dungeons/raids, so you can learn with the rest basically

[summer basalt]

guys , its normal that getting more % of haste its difficult , like i get 3 items with haste and i dont get 1% more

[ember arrow]

you need certain amount of haste to get a %, and at low ilvl that means sometimes 3 pieces arent enough

although 3 pieces not even 1% haste seems weird, but idk

[undone sun]

beginning of the expac is always low on haste

[ember dagger]

from what everyone was saying before the expansion came out haste at endgame right now is pretty low across the board

[sick sentinel]

I feel like Freehold is nasty. Anyone else found a dungeon like that for them?

[ember arrow]

freehold has alot of packs close, and the onesthat knock u back reset aggro

freehold trash is annoying

so is kingsrest

[sick sentinel]

Yes. I haven’t done kingsrest yet

[ember arrow]

bu on kings rest u can remove synergy fro mtrash by mindcontrolling an undead as dk

[sick sentinel]

Back to Freehold for a sec- I try my hardest and I still seem to end up pulling half the dang zone. Do I need to kite the packs back father? Or pull pats with the nearby packs?

[ember arrow]

issue is pulling too much?

then taunt, and let them come to u

so u make space

ofc that requires dps not to charge in

[sick sentinel]

Well and there’s my rub

[ember arrow]

just tell em

if they dont listen

u did all you could /leave

freehold has packs really close together as mentioned

so if u wanna play it safe just pull back

will be fun to see in bolstering/bursting weeks later in m+...

[sick sentinel]

Easy Satan

[ember arrow]

i saw a few packs with tons of low hp adds or tons of low hp adds with one big dude

bursting /bolstering hell

[sick sentinel]

It might be the “nope” key on fort weeks

[ember arrow]

hmm, im just speculating, they can also just remove some adds from those affixes

likethey did with bats in BRH

and we (at least i) dont know how generous timers will be, so if playing safe will be a good strat

[junior ivy]

I DID MY FIRST MYTHIC DUNGEON

it was freehold

i tanked

it was scary

[ember arrow]

many wipes or good run?

[junior ivy]

many wipes

we had 310 tank (me), 303 healer, 323 dps, and two 280 dpses.

they just hit 120 like 15 mins before we did the mythic lol\

[sick sentinel]

How did they get in?

[junior ivy]

no requirement for mythic

but yeh we wiped a lot

on trash and bosses

only boss we one shotted was last boss

[compact sun]

Is the DMF trinket gonna be worth getting for tanking?

[amber siren]

check pins

[compact sun]

Cheers

[dull sapphire]

Guys - not sure if asked before or not but would it be worth it to upgrade a higher ilvl azerite armor over a lower ilvl one even though you can't access the azerite powers on the higher ilvl one? Let's just say the ilvl leap is 40ilvl (so lots of stam + str which is always good). My thoughts are it's defnitely worth it for that reason alone as STR = armor and STAM just = more survivability/grace period. Thoughts?

[ember dagger]

I think if it's 40 ilvls it's probably worth it so long as you're not giving up high priority traits

[cold pagoda]

Hi guys. I just want to ask how good is prot warrior atm? I'Ve been told that he as alot of self healing and i just have to click cds good, but i don't think that is possible.

[sick sentinel]

I was bored so I made a list over which dungeon drops what

let me know if I missed any

shield is kinda mixed, I started doing boss names first 😛

[junior ivy]

wow ty thats useful

is there a portion that does the same thing as al ockstone?

lock *

[tiny rapids]

I forgot how much a better sword and shield makes a difference in your survivalness

@sick sentinel thanks mate!

[wooden oracle]

How do prot warriors compare to other tanks? I havent really dabbled with it

[undone sun]

could be better, could be worse

[orchid flower]

^

[sick sentinel]

nps @tiny rapids

just in case someone asks god tier = Deafening Crash and semi-god was Iron Fortress

: P

[snow nest]

Better to stack crash or neh

[amber siren]

check pins

[snow nest]

Yah haven't seen anything about azerite trait stacking only rankings

Nvm I seent

[tiny rapids]

as far as I tested, crash doesnt stack... shame!

[amber siren]

the damage does

the duration doesnt

[vivid sage]

on the icy veins it says charge and then avatar the opener

would it not be better to avatar and then charge, into demo shout into SB SS

[plain vapor]

https://i.imgur.com/bgHtwBn.png YEET

[random finch]

Whats people thought on the darkmoon deck?

[jade socket]

its in the pins

generally considered bad

[vestal mantle]

Should I level as Protection? I'm starting today

Oh and... Troll or Pandaren warrior?

[errant dagger]

Don’t play it play something more fun

[long lake]

Early levels, you're more than fine playing Fury or smth

Victory rush keeps you alive

Aswell as Bloodthirst

You could probably do bigger pulls as fury

[vestal mantle]

I'll rush a horde character, that's why 😛

110

@long lake Do you mean Fury as 110-114 or did you mean like from level 1-50? 😄

[long lake]

110-118ish

It's pretty easy to make big pulls

It's still efficient at the last two levels aswell

Just a little bit more sweaty

😄

[vestal mantle]

Would you recommend going Prot the last two?

[long lake]

I wouldn't

do it myself that is

Haven't tried prot enough, but I tested it at start

Compared to fury it was bad

Fury's got such good cleave with Whirlwind

It's so consistent aswell

• Victory rush 😄

[vestal mantle]

Alright 😃

Thank you!

[long lake]

😃

[old zephyr]

I tried to do some MM yesterday with 315 ilvl and I felt like I was getting crushed ny trash à lot of time (First mobs of the under rot for exemple)

Is there anything I might do wrong ?

I mostly had to use Def cds on CD, and health stone as well

[ionic fern]

Ugh

I did 2 mythics yesterday at 280 ilvl. 🤷

[old zephyr]

Wich ones ?

[ionic fern]

The dinosaurus one and then the MoS looking one..can't remember the names. 😂

Atal'Dazar & Underrot

Just checked the names.

[old zephyr]

Under rot the second pack of trash (with the mask thingy) wiped us à lot how did you do ?

[sick sentinel]

I think as prot warr always having something up is mandatory, i.e. active mitigation or any cooldown

[ionic fern]

By kiting a ton. 😄

Charged in with CD's, did some damage, jumped away, waited to get healed, charged back in.

And then kited.

And kited..

😄

[old zephyr]

Yeah that's it I did not kite enough then

[sick sentinel]

or kiting 😄

[ionic fern]

But tbf some smaller packs i facetanked and it wasn't that bad.

[old zephyr]

The smaller were okay mostly

But I never did super high key in legion so i'm not used to most dungeon mechanics

[sick sentinel]

are you using ignore pain and shield block correctly?

[ionic fern]

There's some nasty shit going on in underrot tho, did it first time and i got a DoT or smth that hit me for 45k. 😂

[sick sentinel]

yeah, underrot and atal'dazar (the big hulk units poison)

[ionic fern]

Seemed to be the tiny leeches or w/e they are.

[sick sentinel]

thankfully it's only 4-5 hulks

but still

[nova idol]

atm in underrot

the worms are cancer

[summer basalt]

any recommendation for trinkets?

[cinder nova]

Underrot trash isn't really any issue on Mythic

Just make sure you're rotating through CC if necessary

the only stuff that will outright gib you is stacks of the blood ticks

That bleed they leave on you is brutal

[amber siren]

@summer basalt check pins

[old zephyr]

The pack with blood matron and mask things is the one I don't know how to deal with

[fossil spindle]

Cc one add on left or right, pull them back to bridge, from there just inturupt/stun when needed. Thats what i did atleast

[lapis pasture]

Does ignore pain have a cap? or does it stack indefinitely

[ember dagger]

It has a cap of 1.3 times one casts value

[fossil spindle]

Cap

[lapis pasture]

ty

[ember dagger]

Check the icy veins guide in the pins if you want more specifics about the way it interacts with ATP buffs

[undone sun]

didn't even stack indefinitely in legion

[fossil spindle]

There is a WA in pins. That will help you with IP tracking so you donr waste rage.

[ionic fern]

What are you doing here Thyme.

[undone sun]

[quartz moon]

Hey bro's so war prot is good now ? not garbage for MM atm ?

[severe steeple]

Im gonna buy an "MMO" mouse

prot has way too many keys for me

[fossil spindle]

Prot is fine. Clunky now but gear will fix that.

[quartz moon]

it seem good for MM+ ? or hard for him

[old zephyr]

personnal experience (I might not be a good prot warr but if you are new to it you may feel the same) I tend to have trouble on harder packs, because prot need to push the right button at the right moment, but I am dwarfing most of the DPS on the recount

[upbeat gate]

as rpot i can tell u.. get ingi nitro boosts and use leap to kite .. on harder packs do liek this use last stand avatar charge in thudner clap dragon roar shockwave after your shockwave stun ends jsut leap away and watch the mops dieng

on 2. pack do the same with nitro boosts

if u dont have nitro boosts jsut use charge to friendly atrget to leave the mobs asap.. i tanked mythics with 310 ilvl started and all i was doing was jsut go in sue cds take aggro and go away.. agaisnt range mops jsut LoS them hard so the cant cast u and keep moving..

now i am 337 ilvl and still use a 266ilvl shield cuz no shield dropped (feelsbadman) but liek i say imo prot warrior sucks hard so all u can do is kite

[quartz moon]

we prey for tuning faster

warrior kite when dk facetank like a real tank 😦

[simple flicker]

yeah i get rolled over as well as a warrior have to run

[upbeat gate]

monks also face tank 😄 😄 the thing is warrior tank was always about standing and rotation Blocks and shit while monk and dk was about selfhealing.,. now when they nerfed selfheal on tanks instead of monk and dk being dogshit they are still super OP and warrior still sucks dick.. sorry for my bad language this is jsut hwo i feel..

[prime owl]

I thought warrior was supposed to be middle of the pack

what changed

[errant dagger]

To be honest I have a brm prot and bdk on 120 did all mythics on them and to be super honest my warrior performed the worst even when he has 15 iIvl more then the other ones...

[quartz moon]

is a problem 😦

why blizz do that with prot war 😦

[errant dagger]

Because the kids don’t play warrior tank the kids play dh monk and blood dk, no hate my main was blood dk a long time

[quartz moon]

reality ...

[leaden yarrow]

So War is really bad ? Havent started pexing yet. Should i go WarProt or BRM/Pal ?

[amber siren]

I'm doing mythics rn with a 263 green shield bcs I've yet to get a better one and I'm only kiting when I run out of CD's like most tanks will be doing

Don't play poorly and then whine the class is the problem

[stable widget]

ive cleared everything so far with zero issues

[last blade]

Just tank the dungeon 4head

[last hull]

bought gawains for 75k \o/

im immortal now

[stable widget]

wow

im jelly as shit

[last hull]

probably getting boots aswell then.

<-- block value addict

[uneven violet]

starting to tank as warrior and PUG Grps ignore mechanics => feelsbadman

[coral wolf]

is there any elvui experts here?

[amber siren]

ask #ui-addons-manager

[coral wolf]

ah right

ty

[leaden yarrow]

So i will go as Warprot, tx guys

[stable widget]

dont expect to see a shield drop apparently blizzard dosent want us to have block

[distant wharf]

Guys, do you have some profile for pawn?

[amber siren]

don't use pawn for taniing

tanking

[distant wharf]

why?

[amber siren]

you can't sim surv, we don't have a working dps sim, ilvl is still the strongest and stat priority is very simple

[distant wharf]

ok then, thanks

[leaden yarrow]

Main stats for Warprot atm pls ?

[amber siren]

check pins

[leaden yarrow]

Already check it but seem similar to Légion on icy so wanted to confirm it. Hâte/Mastery/...

[amber siren]

The owner of this discord wrote the icyveins guide so it's up-to-date

[leaden yarrow]

Ok ok ! So same as Légion ! Tx ❤️

[ember arrow]

@leaden yarrow didnt start playing. Wants to reroll.

Cmonbruh

[undone sun]

[ember arrow]

Cant use other emotes. Gotta be creative thyme

[leaden yarrow]

Just want to start with something viable. And when i hear «  Warprot is worst even with 15+ilvl » i need info 😃

[undone sun]

i would but cross server emotes are disabled

4head

[ember arrow]

You have your answer for the question in pins skatefr

If you dont like it play someyhing else. Otherwise we are happy to help

[jaunty needle]

Are there any tanking adding I should download?

[last hull]

omen

[ember arrow]

There are some WA on wago io that are good. Also the ones in the pins id recommend

Elvui comes with threat on nameplates

[last hull]

i know, but i still like having omen there

[ember arrow]

Im just naming addons

Not saying which are better

[jaunty needle]

I need to put some more work in on my elvUi setup, but when I have time I just want to run dungeons.

[ember arrow]

Theres barely any work to be done if u dont want to

The base is solid imo

[jade tartan]

Guys, do we already have a BiS list somewhere?

nothing on pins so far

[last hull]

ilvl is bis

[ember arrow]

Bis of what?

[jade tartan]

Ok, i'll remake the question :p

where do I get the best Shield ?

[jaunty needle]

I was also going to ask, is ilvl and raw stars worth more than I locked traits at the moment?

[jade tartan]

need to run a Mythic that drops a Shield asap :p

[jaunty needle]

Stats

[undone sun]

rezan drops haste/mast

[ember arrow]

High lvl shield is always better

[jaunty needle]

Will all shields have the same block rating? So only the secondary stats matter?

[ember arrow]

Higher ilvl blocks more

[last hull]

oswain has a set bonus with boots with extra block value if u have the gold

[ember arrow]

Shields make noticeable difference

[undone sun]

ilevel on shields are incredibly important because of block rating going up with ilevel

[last hull]

ye, i went 280->350 on shield. feels like i cant die anymore

[distant wharf]

where did u dropped that shield?

[last hull]

bought it

[jaunty needle]

What’s the best healer to go with warrior?

[undone sun]

all of them

[ember arrow]

Ye i dont think there is any class prefered

[undone sun]

MW and Rsham are, afaik, considered pretty low for tank healing but with a semi decent player on both ends it shouldn't really be an issue

[ember arrow]

I thought monk were good tank healers

[jaunty needle]

Bo

I feel most comfortable with Paladins, although I will say I did a run with an Rsham and my health almost never moved

[ember arrow]

Only time i felt low on heals was with rdruid. But i dont see many so not sure if it was due to bad player or not

Anecdotal evidence etc

[jaunty needle]

Yea same actually, on trash pulls Druid really struggling

But on bosses is fine

[distant wharf]

is it worth buying 350ilvl shield?

[undone sun]

have you ran any M0s

[distant wharf]

I've got 3 myths

[tardy oak]

@distant wharf not worth it

[undone sun]

i was considering it a couple days ago but got a 340 off of M0 rezan

[jaunty needle]

All the 350 boe are insanely priced because it’s 1st week

[undone sun]

no need anymore

indeed

[last hull]

i wasnt, but some mope put it on ah for 75k. instabuy

[undone sun]

buying one this early on it's necessary in the slightest

[jaunty needle]

But that flaming sword does look dope as fuck >_>

[distant wharf]

on my realm it's for 350k

[tardy oak]

lol

[last hull]

yeah, its the going rate on mine aswell. dont know what he was thinking

[tardy oak]

keep your goldies guys

[last hull]

who cares about gold

[distant wharf]

But was funny that there is sword for 1,5kk

[last hull]

expansion releases are the only time i spend any gold whatsoever anyway

[distant wharf]

I do, cause I'm so bad in earning 😄

[jaunty needle]

What kind of numbers should I be asking from people if I want to form my own mythic premade this weekend. Ilvl and DPS is what I’m asking

[last hull]

ask if people has bound their interrupts

if yes, then bring

[distant wharf]

I was tanking my first myth at 311 😄

successfully tanking I mean

but if you create grou, it's kinda easy find ppl with 325 +

[ember arrow]

I did mythic at 290

Was kinda challenging

But for smooth take 320 id say

[jaunty needle]

Jesus already? I’ve only ran like 8 dungeons since release day 😛 I need to pump up my numbers I guess

[distant wharf]

I dumped my 120 after like 9 hours 😄

[ember arrow]

Dungeons dont have enrage so its better to have good mechanics followed than lookin at dps alone

[twin hazel]

Do we want to use our unique Krakens eye? or just haste

[ember arrow]

Whats that?

[twin hazel]

epic gem

that you can only use one of

its main stat

str agil intel

the icy veins guide does say haste in all slots

but it doesnt mention the str gem at all so

[ember arrow]

Id still say haste

[severe steeple]

secondaries are scarce now so maybe

[toxic jacinth]

I've tanked on my warrior for the last 3 xpacks, but it has never felt as bad as it does now. The gameplay feels insanely slow, or is it just me?

[strong forum]

below 300ilvl it feels really bad

once you get some gear its fun again

had the same experience even though i played beta

[toxic jacinth]

i'm at 315

It's just impossible to keep up IP and keep aggro from everything :S

[raven kernel]

avatar

charge

tc

demo

tc

filler

tc

filler

tc

repeat

easy af

[amber siren]

if you're having aggro problems read the guide in the pins, you're definitely not doing something right

[toxic jacinth]

aight

[strong forum]

nowadays i start with heroic leap->avatar mid air->tc->demo SB ->tc

when you have rage available before the pull

[simple flicker]

yeah 330 and now it seems to be a lot better im not running everywhere

[formal grove]

Hey is the darkmoon blockade trinket any good for prot?

[last hull]

[formal grove]

Oh my bad, thanks

[tranquil patrol]

Sorry if this have been asked a million times before, but is the Darkmoon tanking Deck real shit?

someone is selling it for 50k..

[strong forum]

literally 2 sentences above yours

[tranquil patrol]

LOL nvm that

yeah

[storm valley]

I just bought one for 300k and then checked ;D

[tranquil patrol]

I'm tired

oh well, an OK str statstick for 50k I guess 😛

only got 305 trinkets

[storm valley]

for 50k it seems a no brainer

is that US servers or is my server just a hell hole

[undone sun]

that's fucking cheap

[tranquil patrol]

Kazzak EU

[storm valley]

kill me

[tranquil patrol]

He's not responding though, just spamming tradechat

wispered him 3 times now, he just keep spamming tradechat, lol

[storm valley]

I was surprised to see it "so low" at 300k tbh, but I needed to dump gold to server transfer anyway so

[undone sun]

still averaging about 250k+ on NA servers

https://puu.sh/BfIvX/55cbda3fd6.png

[storm valley]

cool

[cinder roost]

Anyone else annoyed af by the nerf on TC slow ? Can't kite in PVE, get outrun by most classes in PvP

[wild sandal]

is darkmoon trinket still one of our best?

[undone sun]

no

[fossil spindle]

Lol

[undone sun]

completely different trinket, no reason for it to have the same value

[fossil spindle]

Scroll up a bit

[wild sandal]

oh lol, thanks

was agona buiy it for 125k but wanted to be sure first

gona go for the two trinkets on icyveins

[strong forum]

im running rezans and briny barnacle

[timid jay]

If you guys still have it, apoc drive is still insanely goos

[strong forum]

noway

[timid jay]

It's what I'm still running in dungeons

It's 8k auto reduction for me

With the cdr it has inbuilt it still beats anything I've gotten

[strong forum]

that seems alot

[timid jay]

It is

[strong forum]

blizz fix :BabyRage:

[timid jay]

Protip

Titanguard is 10x absorb compared to mythic bfa dungeon trinkets

Seemsgoos

[strong forum]

blizz fix :BabyRage:

[undone sun]

i still have my titanguard on paladin

😏

shivermaw as well, but it's disabled

[robust urchin]

Seriously? I vendored my apoc drive yesterday

Guess i i have to restore it

[timid jay]

Restore it, if it's decent ilvl it's really strong

[robust urchin]

I think it was 230

So you guys happy with prot right now?

[timid jay]

trinkets.PNG

Nice phone copy

Personally I'm going dps this expansion, prot seems fine from the little I've played of it though

As I have stated before my biggest issue with the spec isn't numbers, it's the new playstyle

[robust urchin]

To slow?

[timid jay]

Yeah, I really enjoyed the fast playstyle

[robust urchin]

I know that feel

It's just feels so wierd having everything on the gcd

[undone sun]

indeed

[robust urchin]

I can't really see me doing big pulls in m+

[severe steeple]

so i just naively went into M underrot

[robust urchin]

I'm gonna level a dk and paladin in the next days and try them out

[severe steeple]

rip my asshole

[undone sun]

the trash in underrot is the biggest issue imo

[timid jay]

There are a lot of skips you can do in that dungeon

[undone sun]

death running up to the first boss bypasses a lot of it for m0s

[robust urchin]

Imagine if underrot only had the blood ticks as trash

[timid jay]

And small things to make it easier

[median cypress]

so who's up to be the best damn tank this expansion?

[undone sun]

i never had to deal with the tics 🙃

[timid jay]

Divine shield?

[undone sun]

skip

[timid jay]

😏

[ionic fern]

I charged into the bloodtics not knowing what they do and then i died to a 50k tick.

[undone sun]

lol

[timid jay]

Not a 50k tic then?

Kappa

[ionic fern]

I would use 🗞 but i don't wanna go full Thyme.

[robust urchin]

I managed to get the shaman to spec totem

So we stunned them to death

[timid jay]

That's macros signature move Mwahi

[undone sun]

lol

[timid jay]

I always get the newspaper treatment in dg

[ionic fern]

😂

[severe steeple]

probably gonna get nerfed

when every casual demands to be able to do it on M+

[robust urchin]

I don't think you can nerf prot warriors more

[strong forum]

dmg could

very well

im dreadingly awaiting the dmg nerf

[robust urchin]

If they do that im sure prot warrior is gonna be the least played spec

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

it already is

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure monk is less popular.

[strong forum]

na

[robust urchin]

Other tanks to much more stuff better then us we have very goos dmg which I think is what makes warriors somewhat desirable

Maybe

[timid jay]

Wonder how the bears are faring

[uneven violet]

how often do you use devastate in normal dungeons?
in beta i only played with devastator-talent but after reading the pin's i think i have to adjust. now i dont have any free keybinds... :/

[undone sun]

@timid jay 😓

[strong forum]

fairly often

[undone sun]

uhhhh

[timid jay]

I don't use it often, but it happens

[robust urchin]

I use it whenever tc or ss is on vd

[strong forum]

to get SS procs

[undone sun]

not much better tbh cosmo

[ionic fern]

Aren't bear & monk bonkers on dmg right now if the sims are correct?

[timid jay]

Oof

[raven kernel]

not really that often tbh

since im in avatar most of the time

every 2nd gcd is thunderclap

[strong forum]

bear and monk dmg is average

[raven kernel]

in between i have to press IP and shield slam

[strong forum]

not even close to prot though

[undone sun]

definitely plays better, but defensively and offensively could be much better

[raven kernel]

i prob hit like.... 5 devastate per avatar? guesstimate.

[strong forum]

wha

[undone sun]

too many factors to give a yes or no answer

[strong forum]

thats a lot during avatar

[raven kernel]

not DURING avatar

[undone sun]

on aoe you rarely devastate to begin with, and within avatar you're likely alternating TC with SS/Rev

[uneven violet]

@raven kernel well thats fairly often...about 1/4 of the gcds i think?

[raven kernel]

PER avatar

[robust urchin]

I mostly use devastate outside of avatar

[undone sun]

pretty much

and mostly ST

[ember arrow]

Every devastate cast is paired with a bad childhood memory

[robust urchin]

Devastate does good threat

[ember arrow]

How it feels

[robust urchin]

I often tab use it on trash

[crisp dawn]

morning

[somber dragon]

it would be fun to have a macro that chooses some random emo thing to /say or /yell each time you hit it 😄

"MY MOTHER BOUGHT THE WRONG CEREAL EVERY TIME"

[last hull]

the good old /train on sunder armor macro

[somber dragon]

"DADDY DIDN'T RESPECT MY TASTES IN MUSIC"

[crisp dawn]

i heard some not so nice stuff for protection so i want the opinions of our walls here. hows protection?

[ember arrow]

@crisp dawn 👋

[uneven violet]

ok thx guys...have to readjust my rotational keybinds :/

[strong forum]

prot is very fun

[raven kernel]

prot's good if you're good

[strong forum]

and viable

ye prots good if you're good

i agree

[somber dragon]

prot is "fine" and stupid amounts of fun if you like hitting shit really fucking hard 😄

[crisp dawn]

XD

[last hull]

get a good shield and you're king

[ember arrow]

[raven kernel]

if you... aren't very good... you'll suffer on prot

[undone sun]

that's not really new though

[ember arrow]

Thyme just posts that on a timer

[undone sun]

just it was slightly less forgiving in legion, especially towards the end

[ember arrow]

Pls make it happen

[crisp dawn]

im already tanking on vengeance and planned to do warrior as an alt

[uneven violet]

coming from guardian druid prot is whole new lvl X_x

[crisp dawn]

you know when i need some old fashioned slaughter instead all that felstuff

[raven kernel]

i'm the opposite lol

vengeance alt

[crisp dawn]

^^

[somber dragon]

i'm going the bdk/warrior route, gonna keep both decently geared, and have a rogue and warlock for when i feel like doing something else

[ember arrow]

I mean. If u plan to do serious content you should have multiple tsanks available to begin with

[crisp dawn]

so if i had no problem with prot in legion i shouldnt have problems in bfa

[last hull]

got my rogue for serious content

[raven kernel]

bdk is my 3rd but i dont think i can squeeze it in this reset

[crisp dawn]

is that about right?

[ember arrow]

Id say so

[somber dragon]

you should be fine, you just have to drop the mentality that IP is king

and come to terms that devestator currently sucks 😄

[crisp dawn]

ye that i knew

[somber dragon]

once you know the damage patterns on a fight, warrior is stupid sturdy

CDs for dayz

[crisp dawn]

ye we have just to prepare to use IP and other cooldowns matching to the big hits

how to judge if IP alone is enough or not i will learn when tanking while leveling^^

[somber dragon]

yep, but my pocket healer likes healing my warr the most (between the bdk/warr) even though i personally feel "more confident" right now on bdk.

IP is rarely going to be "enough" it is more of a defensive rage dump, or an augment to something more substantial

[crisp dawn]

im the opposite. my healers urge me to pull more meanwhile i always fear dyin on my veng

veng is like old bdk

[ember arrow]

Ip is like DKs bloodshield. Its there, but its weak on its own

[crisp dawn]

ye jump from 20 to 70 and back pretty fast

[raven kernel]

the only time my healer pal had problems was when we were both undergeared and doing walk-in heroics

[somber dragon]

veng is way too "fast paced" for me

[ember arrow]

Bdk is like bdk @crisp dawn

[crisp dawn]

fast paced oO

[somber dragon]

and all that fucking jumping around rotationally make me wanna get a nicotine drip 😄

[crisp dawn]

you only jump for pull

[somber dragon]

you aren't talenting that talent that you get a sigil of flame when you land?

[crisp dawn]

or if ye lost aggro...which can happen when some dps cant wait

i do

but sigil doesnt generates much aggro on its own so its fine for an opener and for the adds

[somber dragon]

chances are i could be doing it completely wrong (:

[crisp dawn]

but you have to add some other skills to hold that initial aggro

if a mage throws a blizzard and you only rely on sigil...could be you get no refreshments XD

im not saying you are wrong but my mentality is that i have to hold aggro and survive. dps is the job of the dps

i would never burn my sigils in order to squeeze more dps

well for now. later on when heroics are just for that daily shot of azerite. then things change^^

[strong forum]

heroics are already a joke

even mythics are

[undone sun]

unless you get shit pugs in heroics

haHAA

[crisp dawn]

i just hit the 305 yesterday

[strong forum]

rip

[jaunty needle]

Anyone else stuck at work and would really rather be tanking mythics right now 😭

[crisp dawn]

and it seems like all eu players forgot how to interrupt or stun

[undone sun]

that's not just EU

[crisp dawn]

so yes its painful for now

[undone sun]

global phenomenon, WTB interrupts

[crisp dawn]

it was so bad yesterday i had to take a break from wow because i lost all drive

[strong forum]

thats why getting ahead early on is a bliss, cuz only good players rush ahead

so you dont have to worry about it

[crisp dawn]

ye well i wanted to enjoy the story

[strong forum]

do that on a 2nd char ;:D

[crisp dawn]

no my war charges thru 😄

[ember arrow]

I am 305

Doing mythics

I read quests

Fite me

[crisp dawn]

where did our artefact go?

my shield is gone oO

[ember arrow]

Backpack

[crisp dawn]

like poof

[ember arrow]

Type

Scale

Search

[crisp dawn]

ye found it

we dont get any skins?

well i didnt get any

[ember arrow]

If u didnt unlock them

[crisp dawn]

i have the secret one

so im a bit confused

[undone sun]

it's under main hand xmod

[ember arrow]

Transmmog then

[undone sun]

drop down for legion artifacts

[ember arrow]

Legion artifacts

[crisp dawn]

ye thats whats greyed out

[undone sun]

weird

[crisp dawn]

ye weird

[ember arrow]

U are yryimg to mog non artifact

Right

[crisp dawn]

ye

no wait recheck

ye ok fixed

[undone sun]

👍

[sick sentinel]

some dungeons are hard and buggy some just face-roll

hope they fix it

[errant dagger]

Guys anyone got a good shield yet and can say if it’s a big difference in survival?

[strong forum]

shield makes the biggest difference in survival

[undone sun]

340 off of rezan M0, yes noticeably

[strong forum]

most important item

[undone sun]

block rating is huge now

[strong forum]

355 boe

[errant dagger]

So there is a huge difference

[strong forum]

yes

[errant dagger]

Ok cause I am full 340 only my shield is 277 and I am crying

[strong forum]

rip

[errant dagger]

Well my neck is not 340 but I think you get the point haha

[strong forum]

got quite lucky in those mythics then

[errant dagger]

Yeah they are buggy kinda

I could go in get items

Twice

Even with id

[strong forum]

wha

[errant dagger]

Yeah

[strong forum]

gotta try that

cleared em all

lets go again

[errant dagger]

Too late I think

[strong forum]

rip

well im not off too bad, missing only rings belt and 2 azerite pieces, rest is 340+ and trinkets dont count

[smoky wave]

If you're struggling for Shields Check for honorable combatant's sheild (ilvl300) on the auction house. Only costs 50ish storm silver to make so if its stupidly expensive try and find yoursrlf a blacksmith.

[ember dagger]

ty for the heads up

[old zephyr]

I have a 300 shield and still get wrecked by A lot of stuff, I suck...

[smoky wave]

keep seeing people mention not having shields, and even at 100g/ore you can get one made for 5k+tip

[ember arrow]

300 is less than normal gear so

I wouldnt be surprised

[errant dagger]

The only reason I liked legion is because I don’t have to struggle for a Weopen

[old zephyr]

well You did have to struggle for the relics so...

[smoky wave]

found it uninteresting. I like the "wooo! new weapon!" moments.

[timid jay]

It was nice not being overly reliant on one piece of gear though

[undone sun]

i mean, the artifacts were pretty much half the spec

i get what you mean, but it's still relying on a single piece of gear

[timid jay]

Semantics

😢

[ember dagger]

if anything the legendries are the end all be all of being reliant on one piece of gear

[noble solar]

Guys

Is there any guide for dungeon tanking?

[timid jay]

Nothing specific for dungeons yet

More like a general guide of how to plaay prot

[noble solar]

Was talking about specific dungeons tacts

Tacts

[ember dagger]

Ahh

[timid jay]

Nothing that I know of yet

[ember dagger]

I think there is a section in development on the Icy Veins guide for specific dungeons

[noble solar]

What ilvl is optimal to tank mythic?

Dungeons

[vocal nimbus]

i started a 284

at

[undone sun]

if you get an organized group, you can probably do it at 280s

pugging is another story

[noble solar]

What does organized group means in contrast to lugging?

Pugging

[vocal nimbus]

a 5man premade

usually friends

or guildies

[timid jay]

Usually with voice as well, and knowing they are at least decent

[old zephyr]

I had a hard time (but more or less managed) at 310 but me and my group weren't big M+ boyz in legion either

[noble solar]

What are the easiest dungeons to start with?

And what are the hardest (relatively)

[vocal nimbus]

they have its pros and cons

[noble solar]

Manor is pretty easy

[undone sun]

atal'drazar as well

[timid jay]

Tbh dungeons felt pretty easy this time around

[vocal nimbus]

king's rest was somewhat tricky

[timid jay]

The bosses in kings rest can fuck you if you dont know tactics thogh

[vocal nimbus]

but we were 290ish

[old zephyr]

I got wrecked so much by the sisters in manor...

[timid jay]

And sethralis sucks if you dont have a good healer

[old zephyr]

do you need some quest finished for king's rest?

[noble solar]

So if I form a group of 325 ilvl it should all be a cake?

[undone sun]

i went into M0s this week blind but with a guild group so it wasn't an issue

[timid jay]

That said, bosses are more like raid bosses this time around

[vocal nimbus]

they have a lot of things to take care of

[timid jay]

I'm not gonna pug anything this time around if I can help it this time around

[undone sun]

indeed

[vocal nimbus]

i find this xpac dungeoning very entertaining

[timid jay]

yeah

but I can see it being extremely frustrating in pugs

[dark junco]

Where are you guys farming for shields?

[vocal nimbus]

did you finally change to dps?

[timid jay]

yup

[dark junco]

Like anywhere particular?

[vocal nimbus]

i know that there is a rare near the entrance of ataldazar that drops one

theres also another shield rare in drustvar

i dont know the exact location tho

[dark junco]

So cosmo you’re a dps only now? Arms?

[noble solar]

Any one has tips to speedly do all wq?

[dark junco]

Grouping with guildies

[vocal nimbus]

take a good route 🤷

start with ones that are somewhere high

finish them and drop with a glider to others

use your whistle too

its the same as in legion

[dark junco]

Any dungeon drops a good shield?

[undone sun]

Rezan

Atal'dazar

haste/mast

[severe steeple]

just did Atal mythic and got drop from last boss instead of rezan or the hulk 😭 😭 😭 😭

[uncut juniper]

Rezan has the best haste trinket aswell right? The new Farmboss :x

[dark junco]

Thanks ❤

[errant dagger]

Got the rezan trinket in 355

[dark junco]

So Rezan for trinket and shield

Seems like i’m gonna chain farm that boss lol

[willow wraith]

anyone tanked the mythic dungoens and have any insights

[undone sun]

don't die

[willow wraith]

feel like paper on the ones i did

[chrome falcon]

Man, having into the fray feels so good

[errant dagger]

The only thing that actually killed me was bleed effects

[chrome falcon]

Already being at 23% haste helps so much with how much clunkier we are

[keen fog]

oh boi i just did my first dungeon with the thunder clap azerite trait

this damage increase

[old zephyr]

That up time on demo shout though

[keen fog]

ye

basically all the way when avatar is active

[old zephyr]

Actually would that trait change the " avatar then demo shout" order ?

[keen fog]

ye i guess u could demo shout then avatar

[old zephyr]

To demo clap avatar clap

For one extra clap inside.
Might be à haste break point for that

Also With that and anger managemebt, What does happen if you demo shout while It's still going, duration add ?

[mortal pike]

Has anyone tried/done the math on the new Darkmoon Deck? Didn't see it mentioned in the guide

[undone sun]

it averages to about 50-60 stam, the effect isn't worth considering at all

[mortal pike]

So not worth? Its very cheap on my server

[undone sun]

how cheap

[mortal pike]

70k

[undone sun]

i would for that tbh, it's essentially a stat stick for 355

if you can get it cheap or free, it's fine

[mortal pike]

Im gonna do every m0 every week before raids come anyway so there is a good chance ill get other trinkets

But if this is atleast equal I might aswell buy it

[undone sun]

i bought fathoms recently so i have that

[junior ivy]

it sucks that you gotta be an alchemist to use our bis trinket

[undone sun]

not like alchemy is particularly terrible

[junior ivy]

im really having trouble deciding if i wanna keep encanting or switch to anbother profession

another

[undone sun]

what is your second primary prof

[junior ivy]

engineering

that will never change

so for my other prof.. i wont do a gathering one

im too lazy, gathering is too boring

i just wouldnt use it

but i also dont wanna spend a bunch of gold leveling something like BS

[undone sun]

yeah i'm leveling another toon for gathering

at least to cover the majority of the weight

[junior ivy]

i got enchanting cause its a little bit of passive income

just DEing stuff i dont need

is it true that in bfa you can switch profs easily

and not have to relearn everything?

[undone sun]

haven't looked into it much for bfa but i know in legion you could relearn the spells if you switched off and back to a prof

[junior ivy]

i didnt know that

i spent a lot of gold on some rare enchant recipes

and i wouldnt wanna lose them if i switched

btw is there a priority list for reputation for bga?

bfa

storms wakew or 7th legion, which is m,ore important?

[undone sun]

i'm horde so i don't recognize those but i know one unlocks a dungeon and another has some good vendor gear

[mortal pike]

7th legion unlocks the dungeon right, the ally version of Honorbound

[junior ivy]

thanks!

are there neck enchants in bfa?

[undone sun]

no, there's weapon enchants now

[dark junco]

Can we put legion neck enchant on HoA?

[junior ivy]

no

i tried

[dark junco]

Dammit

[junior ivy]

are there cloak enchants?

[sick sentinel]

Enchanting/BS here. But will also need to use an alt slave to mine.

Prolly my 110 Paladin just lvl him exclusively on mining, warmode off.

[junior ivy]

lvl him to 115 then turn off exp

so he cna use legendaries

[steep palm]

what talent for row 60 in dungeons?

[foggy abyss]

I think Bolster is the best

[old zephyr]

Never not Bolster

Bolster is life, bolster is love, bolster is king

[undone sun]

correct, bolster is the default choice

[steep palm]

ok ty

[vale agate]

any web site that tell me witch trait is better at tanking?

[merry sandal]

Icyveins i guess

[dark junco]

Icyveina is relevent again thanks to marok ❤

[dire flare]

is there a way to upgrade alchemy trinket?

[main vault]

No

[dire flare]

ok, ty

[daring socket]

make prot warriors great again

[short yoke]

so has there been any trinket sims for prot yet? Wanna know if the blockade trinket is good

[hybrid sundial]

is the statweights on pawn correct?

seems off by a lot

[daring socket]

I havent seen a prot warrior yet lol

[undone sun]

pawn is never correct

for tanks

especially the default strings given

1. don't use pawn defensively, it's not possible
2. we don't have working sims so you wouldn't get anything accurate to begin with

[wintry arch]

this reforget thing is getting a bit out of hand 20k for one reforge ok

[tawny panther]

Just have an alternate gear set in bags

[wintry arch]

hmm your comment is very smart, but sadly i am not to have gotten a whole extra set of gear just to end of tanking which i did not expect to happen lol

up*

[tawny panther]

If you have just swapped main set it should not be 20k

[wintry arch]

no went from fury from leveling to arms

now to prot

i thought it would cap

guess not

[tawny panther]

It halves every now and then, forgot time

Just get heroic gear for it for now

[wintry arch]

yeah can i just tank using arm traits?

[tawny panther]

Mythics are fine, you don't need bis traits

A heroic? Yes

Easily

Or do world quests for new azerite bits

[wintry arch]

good good i can try to see if i even like tanking first

[undone sun]

well, difficulty is subjective
but traits aren't going to make a huge difference

[wintry arch]

i liked warrior tanking legion start

have not played since

[tawny panther]

Read guide maybe do a normal or two it'll be fine

[valid trout]

I'm still getting used to (read: not liking) IP being on the global

[wintry arch]

wow the reforge price still stays at 20k for another piece of gear! jesus man it should be item specific

[valid trout]

But, I'll probably get used to it enough in a week that it'll be fine

[uneven mason]

0_o

20k to reforge

[wintry arch]

talk about gold sink

wtf

[uneven mason]

Gonna tell my guild that they best make sure they're asking me to do what they want me todo cause them traits are stayin put

[exotic wadi]

already at 20K reforge, you reforged a lot..

[wintry arch]

3 times to be exact

from fury to arms to prot

in the big scheme of things i dont think 3 times is a lot in the expansion span

[exotic wadi]

But why having 3 more piece of gear for tanking is hard?

[wintry arch]

nah just didnt expect to tank if you read what i typed earlier

honestly how is thast not capped that is just nuts for a reforge price

[exotic wadi]

i guess because its not meant to be like an other talent tree. but more modification to the legion legendary to have the "choice" of the power the armor gives. And since the traits are specific to an items (not random for the same helmet piece), it's easy to have a copy on hand

[uneven mason]

Well, when you get down to it, you shouldn't need to respec them at all

[exotic wadi]

^

[wintry arch]

**

yup

[uneven mason]

Once raids are rolling, you probably won't ever swap the selections on the pieces

[wintry arch]

i should be able to have one piece that switches to prot traits on spec switch

[uneven mason]

not like carrying around multiple sets