Clearly carried by bdk lol
#protection
merry cave
cinder bridge
there was a tldr-style guide posted here for every dungeon with different difficulties
anyone have it?
vocal nimbus
I knew of a site called mythicpl.us that had guides for all legion m+ dungeons
Dunno if they updated it to bfa
old zephyr
might look like an idiot but after that I won't be one anymore : What's Los pull?
old zephyr
Oh Ok, like what we did in arcavia befor ivanyr?
merry cave
:+1:
old zephyr
Okay, I know what that is then, just not how it's called 😃
sick sentinel
Cc helps early when your doing mythic
twilit pebble
Do anyone have statweights for prot warrs? I am going to sim at 120 and when getting better geart
but cba atm 😄
sick sentinel
we dont have sim
and you go for high ilvl
haste>versa=>mastery>crit
something like this
crit is also good for dps in aoe
having a bit doesnt hurt
twilit pebble
I knew ,but thanks for the reminder :p I dont know why I ask stupid questions sometimes
maybe I am just stupid?
See what I did there
sick sentinel
yeah sorry you are dumb xd
pseudo violet
So 340 ilvl azerite gear > 325 gear with iron fortress?
keen fog
why is prot warrior so unpopular ?
sick sentinel
because sco said so
pseudo violet
We're taking a lot of damage currently, esp with IP on GCD
sick sentinel
and popular players says it sucks
twilit pebble
The popular players suck
sick sentinel
i think i would go for ilvl at this point @pseudo violet
since ilvl of items isnt that high traits you get only gives you just a bit of a buff
so just farm traits a bit and equip higher ilvl
pseudo violet
Ohh ok cos i have 3 pieces of 340 azerite gear I'm dying to use
Also anyone know of any ways to get a shield? I'm still stuck with my artifact
Even after clearing all the dungeons this week (lol)
paper apex
For a quick shield, just find a blacksmith
keen fog
same
pseudo violet
Yeah i have a 340 sword im dying to equip
And I get flamed in some dungeons for still using my arti xD
keen fog
i'm kinda knew to warrior even after what guys u told me the thunder clap / avatar build is the right one right ?
pseudo violet
Yeah its passive and best offensively/defensively
vocal nimbus
Near ataldazar entrance theres a rare that drops a shield
Theres also a rare in druvter, kultiras
pseudo violet
I killed that at 112 😖
sick sentinel
you can buy one shield for 300ilvl
pseudo violet
Oh @keen fog i saw your earlier comment about having trouble with picking up mobs with thunderclap
sick sentinel
they are not expensive
pseudo violet
You tried to thunderclap aoe talent?
keen fog
crackling thunder ?
i am scare with this talent to pull more mobs than needed
but i guess 50% increase isnt that big
thanks i will try it
pseudo violet
Its my default talent for big aoe pulls and kiting, and imo we have intercept to make up for loss of bounding stride
ember arrow
Those abilities arent similar. You need a target for intercept. Npt for leap
pseudo violet
I usually intercept a ranged dps to put space between mobs and me which is also what i use heroic leap for so they're similar in function for me lol
ember arrow
yea but somebosses target you with aoe, or follow you with a cast
in taht case its not smart sharging a dps
so its notsimilar, you just use them same way
pseudo violet
Ah i see your point fair enough
orchid flower
Dear Anyone whos not garbage like I am
Can someone maybe sit in on me tanking a dungeon
and tell me what Im doing wrong
pseudo violet
what issues are you having?
pseudo violet
i think its a common issue right now if you are pushing content that you are not geared for (heroic/mythic)
orchid flower
and shield block
pseudo violet
getting a good shield asap will help a lot
ionic fern
Have you tried
A)Pulling smaller?
B)Using CD's?
😄
pseudo violet
what ilvl are you and what are you running?
orchid flower
Yeah my shield is my lowest ilvl
ionic fern
What about the healer? Warriors aren't the most self sustaining tanks
orchid flower
Heroic yeah
ionic fern
Maybe a DoT/Magic damage is killing you?
pseudo violet
try pulling one pack at a time, if you have no cds try to kite them/los them
radiant musk
254 shield is not enough. I felt a noticable increase in survivability going from 266 to 300 shield
ionic fern
Anyways, unfortunately i'm at work so can't tag along. 😦
pseudo violet
with our current spec design its hard to facetank content we undergear
without using CDs
are u using the right talents?
radiant musk
How can u tag in HC when not at 305 ilvl btw?
pseudo violet
you can just walk into the dungeon, find a grp in group finder
shy rapids
what talent set up are people running in dungeons?
pseudo violet
this is my personal setup
uneven violet
500k for 350 BoE Shield still overpriced?
vocal nimbus
🤷
Subjective to your own wealth and how much you value it
Still 3-4 saves until raid opens
pseudo violet
that shield probably wont be replaced till 2nd week of raid unless you are really lucky
smoky wave
You can get ilvl300 ones from blacksmithing. Pvp shield only needs 50 storm silver and some vendor mats off the top of my head.
vocal nimbus
In 3-4 weeks of m0 you can get a 345 which can forge and save you 500k
orchid flower
thanks @pseudo violet
struggling with 2nd boss of Luigi's mansion the most
Like genuinely getting ruined
pseudo violet
the golem?
orchid flower
Yeah
native lake
Are there and heroic/mythic dungeon gear spreadsheets for pre raid bis?
pseudo violet
for warriors pretty much atal dazar has all our bis, if you are talking about protection
celest jacinth
So i figured out the threat issues
and theyre quite retarded
with a group pulling the numbers mine are in mythics, you basically NEED avatar up if its a pack of 4+
if its not, you wait
foggy abyss
Is the Darkmoon Deck:Blockades trinket any good for us?
wild hamlet
Is that a warrior problem?
Or is that all tanks will struggle with numbers like that?
strong forum
the darkmoon trinket any worth?
final mist
amber siren
sal please hold my hand and press my keybinds for me
wild hamlet
DH have pretty good damage anyway
cosmic cargo
supposedly warrs have more aoe dps than palas and i haven't had any issue with my pala so
the gap between dps'ers and tanks is lower at 120 than 110
old zephyr
The "issue" with war is that Damage is not smooth if you miss one of the mobs with TC/vengeance you May have to wait est few secs before next Damage instance come in.
Between consécration and the charges of the hammer pals have it easy
cosmic cargo
hammer tickles but yes consecration helps
old zephyr
Maybe (please don't burn me for saying utter crap if that is) if you are puging dragon roar might help secure aggro on every pack.
Don't do it with serious group of smart dps, they won't cause aggro issue, take UF for maximum avatar Damage
red oyster
So what's the general consensus on darkmoon blockades? The pinned says its worth it because none of the other trinkets are very good, is that still true?
cosmic cargo
i'd personally not buy it on any tank
feels like too much waste of gold for such a tiny gain
raven kernel
fringe lake
guy , you opinion on the darkmoon card. i assume not worth the effort 😄
old zephyr
Hey how about the darkmoon trinket ? Pins says It's crap but good crap ?
cosmic cargo
it's crap but it's like the least crap defensively
fringe lake
^^
prisma obsidian
hey guys, quick question. Darkmoon Blockades is shit right? Given access to Mythic Dungeon trinkets.
old zephyr
It's the best shit around, but still shit
cinder bridge
good tank trinkets before second raid tier 😄
cosmic cargo
last expansion we had a good dmd for example
the shade of xavius trinket was also good for survivability in theory
il'gynoths was a really good statstick
uneven mason
Last Xpac DMD was armor tho, we ❤ armor. raw health...well..I mean..."meh"
Its less "shit" and more "boring shit"
cosmic cargo
well it's not just cause it's health
it's because it's a negligible amount of health
uneven mason
random heal + random stam at random intervals
cosmic cargo
the intervals aren't random iirc
i think all DMD "shuffling" effects have a set timer
uneven mason
its random in that you can't plan around it more or less
Like, a set interval isn't much differernt than a ICD
most ICDs you'll fairly reliably trigger around that time point.
keen fog
what is dmd and icd guys please?
solid mist
I know it's early and this is super subjective, but: I liked tanking in Legion with how active it felt. Felt like I was responsible for every hit I took. Managing rage and timing my active mitigation. It was like I was playing my own game, apart from the group. And I really liked that. From reading about BFA it seems like with rage generation, GCD, and other changes it's more passive now? How does tanking "feel" now?
amber siren
it's still just as if not more active with mitigation being more important rather than being able to pad poor play with IP
Threat has also made it way more active in aoe packs
Idk where you're getting this passive idea from
weary notch
so is an azerite armor piece 25 ilvls higher but with no traits you can use yet better than a piece with 2 usable traits (brace for impact and Impassive visage). I'm guessing yes
sick sentinel
Does anyone know if the new Blockades trinket (darkmoon faire deck) any good? 😄
soft bridge
sick sentinel
I did a search and saw no result 🤔
amber siren
not really but you'll be hard pressed to find anything that's good, unless you're rolling in gold probably just leave it
exotic wadi
sick sentinel
Ahh, the pins... my bad
halcyon totem
Anyone EU here that can craft the boe blue shield for me?
uneven mason
@solid mist I disliked Legion tanking at the end (I enjoyed it in EN, most of NH and the start of TOS, before 4p) the ocean of rage we had to work with and build up these insane IPs (especially with artifact procs) really lead to a "superman" level of tank, Warriors either took ZERO damage because we blocked the hit and then IP gobbled the rest of it, or we were dead because the raw damage was in the 200million range.
smoky wave
@halcyon totem I might be able to. I'm in talnivarr
onyx vessel
lul getting called weak as fk class now 
solid mist
ok that sounds pretty good. It's hard to get a feel just reading about stuff. And the only thing I'd want to do if I get this xpac is prot war tank 😛
rocky dove
Any suggestions for easy to get weapons for those of us who already did all quests?
I need a weapon and shield
void quail
I've run 4 mythic dungeons so far Threat seems to be solid, I'm just using a lot of Kiting.
rocky dove
just entry level stuff for tanking normals
void quail
(Trinket) Ampoule of Pure Void is really strong. 1min 30 second cd. ticks about 3% max health heal per target for 10 seconds. Makes trash pulls really smooth and it's an alright cd for Bosses.
cosmic cargo
you can jump into hcs with leveling stuff
halcyon totem
@smoky wave sent you PM
granite mountain
what do you guys think about rerolling since top tier raiders are saying prot is close to beeing worse in myth+ and raids
granite mountain
i like your opinion
smoky wave
Anyone looking for a shield on the auction house, the stormsteel shield is really expensive to make. There's a pvp one called "honorable combatant's shield" that you'll have more luck finding.
prisma crane
@keen fog dmd is the darkmoon deck, icd is "internal cooldown" basically hidden timers for procs that have to complete before it's eligible to proc again.
@solid mist personally, i loved tanking at the end of legion as well. So far there's a few major changes, but overall it'll just feel a lot slower and clunkier than previously. In my opinion, the worst thing we have to deal with is having devastate back
last blade
guys, is prot warrior dogshit right now?
strong forum
no
last blade
i'm wiping at trash groups in freehold
ember arrow
like with all tanks 😄
strong forum
gotta ask yourself first if you are are playing right
only time i wiped on freehold was when i pulled 2 extra packs by accident
so i had 4 packs
but usually you should be fine
also depends on your healer if hes doing his job
last blade
i didnt have any problems in legion with tanking
cosmic cargo
also when you get knocked away twice in a row in the last pack
strong forum
well bfa isnt legion, stupid answer but thats true
last blade
and this morning i played freehold on my 110 DK with questing gear from legion
sick sentinel
when you are tanking with low gear spend all your rage defensive
sick sentinel
always use IP no revenge try to kite
cosmic cargo
if there's 2 in a row
last blade
and i was able to tank 4 groups
strong forum
legion isnt bfa, you dont have giga HPS
cosmic cargo
also at 110 everything is a joke
you can pull everything on any dungeon and be fine
strong forum
idk, dungeons at 110 LUL
cosmic cargo
i did some on beta
easiest shit ever
someone was mentioning how amazing his dk was at them
last blade
it just sucks when i need to use ignore pain, shield block, ds and last stand on cooldown just to stay alive
strong forum
so you're saying you're not used to bfa prot
thats what im getting at
last stand is basic rotation now
so is demo shout
ember arrow
DS was in legion
strong forum
ikno
raw light
What are you guys using for the talents between Indomitable and Bolster in the level 60 row?
strong forum
thats even a question crysis?
ember arrow
Bolster is the only option
strong forum
like dont you know the answer just by looking at em
plain vapor
the starting packs in freehold are aids
i wiped there a lot too
think the healer was strugglin a bit too
keen fog
ty @prisma crane
last blade
you would expect that you need to use more abilities to stay alive while fighting boss, not trash
red oyster
@weary notch Azerite armor ilvl > traits
prisma crane
np 👋
keen fog
btw does the thunderclap trait stack ?
prisma crane
to add length to demo shout? no
keen fog
ok thanks
prisma crane
so "abstakt" Dra5t 😉
ember arrow
@last blade trash is big part of dungeons
U didnt play in legion?
That statement makes no sense
last blade
i started playing in legion, but i don't remember anything like it's now in BfA
last blade
well, but it's dungeon finder
ember arrow
Trash was big part and caused more wipes even sometimes
So what? New content. Ppl dont know tacs, low ilvl
halcyon totem
Legion babies is the new wrath babies meme
steady slate
how is prot handling dungeon content right now? I'm leveling my warrior as arms, so total focus on crit. how bad is crit for prot? can I just use my arms gear to run heroics/ low mythics?
junior ivy
ive been doing dungeons as prot while leveling and now at 120
ive done a bunch of normals and one heroic
its a challenge, but usualyl they go pretty smoothly
i was surprised how well the heroic went
i was only 303
stark sage
dont be, its really easy if you take the time to do each pull
ember arrow
just dont expect to pull 25 adds at once
uneven mason
Just find a chill group that doesn't expect you to be MDI 30mob pulls, which is the worst frigging thing to come out of that.
Everyone suddently wanted to be a superstar
uneven mason
yeah
red oyster
1 pull at a time
uneven mason
its not hard, just find your rhythm
red oyster
most important
regal island
Still no prot war sims for simulationcraft? seems weird.
dim wren
Which talents are recommended for Bfa leveling? Both Pvp and Regular?
regal island
Honestly leveling as fury with bladeform felt the best for me tbh
dim wren
If i'd be leveling as prot?
red oyster
level as fury
dim wren
even without leggo's/wep while i have prot leggo's?
dusk locust
i had fine results with prot just pulling all the mobs i could at once and AOEing them down
picking one off once in a while for victory rush
dim wren
@dusk locust that's what i'm looking for
dusk locust
i just did the standard build in the guild in the pins
dusk locust
yeah
regal island
i'd go 1113211
dim wren
cheers
dim wren
ravager not worth last row?
dim wren
any ideas for pvp talents?
stark sage
dragon charge is pretty good for disruption
stark sage
yeah that one is good
regal island
yeah idk why ravager has such low damage
regal island
still get the DR just generally cant reflect boss spells back at the boss.
ember arrow
i know
vale gyro
does "into the fray" talent is working fine for you guys? I feel like it is not always stacking always properly.. and I'm talking about lvling
vague belfry
darkmoon deck trash?
vocal nimbus
Check the pins
@fierce juniper can you get hymdall to say 'check the pins' whenever someone types, darkmoon/deck/dmd/etc. ?
exotic wadi
damn that would be something good
vocal nimbus
Tmw marok answers more pings in memehold than skyhold
exotic wadi
lol
fierce juniper
vast sedge
Lol soul walker with the flame
exotic wadi
"I don't always come to this Discord, but when I do. All I see is Darkmoon Deck question" 
stark sage
in the dps channels we get the DMD question but also which spec is better 
fresh dragon
18% haste.. im quite impressed...
fresh dragon
without ITTF
strong forum
yea thats 1 ring away
fresh dragon
with 5 stack ITTF i reach 31%
strong forum
with full procs im at 45% >;)
strong forum
335
strong forum
rezan trinket + weapon enchant
fresh dragon
which enchant do u put?
strong forum
quick navigation
fresh dragon
dunno. im not alchemist 😄
uneven mason
Wowheadit
fresh dragon
the neck is enchatable?
tulip quail
what warmode talents you guys use for open world content?
slate remnant
I did not
might actually be my gear giving me an ill illusion, but I did 20-40k dps on trash yester
now im hitting 16k
its wierd
with 2 azerite Thunderclap
I have 16% more haste today tho
so might be that GCD is cucking me a wee
exotic wadi
those GCD changes really impact a lot. gotta get used to it
slate remnant
yeah
hasty ice
I might be shit at prot... But damn I feel squishy in M0's
uneven mason
That is the general consensus when someone says they feel squishy as protection, A close #2 is you have a shit healer, a solid #3 is not having adjusted to the fact that no tank can self sustain any longer, so by "squishy" you mean "I actually require my healer to cast something my direction while I'm doing my job"
If there was a gooey center of the universe named squishy, Warriors are currently the tank living on the planet farthest from.
prisma crane
yea, other tanks just make up for their "squish" by additional self heals, we're still fantastic at basically delaying the inevitable
overall it's also safe to say that it's a new expansion with a lot of changes to the trinity meta
dps have to learn about agro again
tanks cant self sustain which affects both us and heals
they can't ignore us
add to that that people dont know the dungeons
and add further to that that we just came off the end of an expansion where people can run straight through M0s solo in record times without even being good
so people have to re-humble themselves
devout quartz
Bloodsport or Glory in Battle?
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=280778/glory-in-battle
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=279172/bloodsport
Both seem great
plain ice
hotfix for what?
errant dagger
getting ignore pain of gcd and stuff
uneven mason
Deadhorse is Jello
its raspberri paste in the grass
IP is cemented to the GCD like they're conjoined twins at the heart and brain
errant dagger
xD
red oyster
Where are you reading these changes
autumn laurel
IP on the GCD is barely noticable after a few days anyways
Just dont mindlessly press buttons
uneven mason
^^
If you're pressing IP enough for it to really be an irritant, you're probably not utilizing it properly.
errant dagger
i dont like this spamming of Devstator
uneven mason
If you're spamming Devastate, you're not doing it right.
autumn laurel
Devastate feels meh, but you shouldnt be spamming it
errant dagger
sometimes i just have to
autumn laurel
If you're spamming devastate, then you dont have a GCD for IP
that could be part of the problem
uneven mason
Between SS, TC, IP, DS and Free Revenges
Devastate is really REALLY hard to find time to press
autumn laurel
Booming voice is way too good
and synergizes way too well with AM
the other choices in that row need to be buffed
it will never be a contest currently
Current devastator should be baseline imo, it's too low-impact to be a talent especially going up against booming voice
junior ivy
i feel like i dunno how to tank anymore
uneven mason
@errant dagger BV is a fairly sizeable RPS gain, and a DPS gain in AE situations over Devastator.
abstract surge
best mythic talents?
errant dagger
@uneven mason thx !! for the info i will try and just learn it better then
uneven mason
@abstract surge The talents are basically the same in all content for Protection. The only ones that are not will be the 30 and 75 tiers, the guide will have anything you need to know
kind prairie
Prot has been really fun to level with, only 114 so far. How is it once you're 120??? Still good?
uneven mason
you're still a brick
daring marlin
prot dps is hilarious
kind prairie
Goooood. Haha. I built a small rep in my guild for tank dps. We are fairly casual but it was still stupid fun.
kind prairie
I don't even have a sense of ilvl anymore.
loud pendant
I almost don't want to even put devastate on my bars
@leaden carbon I literally had no shield since I leveled Fury. Didn't swap to prot until my friend found a boe green one LOL.
leaden carbon
hahah
loud pendant
I think there's a WQ that can drop a shield. Rare Mob in drustvar
But haven't seen that one up yet
I am blacksmithing, so maybe best to just craft one myself...
leaden carbon
I think it is very expensive to lvl bs at this moment
loud pendant
Yeah... It'll probably take a while
This is the mob, I don't know if it's always around or gated by WQ
I will test it tonight when I get home and see if he's there
main vault
The mobs are usually there and they drop a rare-level item
Thats what the WQ are based off
loud pendant
Gotcha. Yeah it's just in the comment on wowhead, a guy said he saw the shield, but couldn't loot it? I don't know
Might just be wow shenanigans
weary notch
oddly, on my realm, the ore that you need to start leveling BSing are going for 100g each, while I just picked up the world drop blue ilvl 300 shield for 32k.
loud pendant
32k seems not bad
weary notch
the 300 crafted is 400k and the epic world drop is 700k
<shrug ascii dude I don't know how to make>
loud pendant
¯_(ツ)_/¯
weary notch
ty
loud pendant
you can do /shrug on discord 😃
weary notch
welp, going outside. Wish me luck
loud pendant
best of luck
jagged bay
gl
jaunty needle
Hello, new to prot warriors, saw this link in the icy veins guide
slate obsidian
can anybody with a baseline HC shield tell me how much damage reduction they get from a block?
shrewd creek
any lit of interting weapons and where to get them?
dusky summit
is alchemist stone 100% worth for prot rn
dark junco
twin hazel
290 + socket(30haste) (37haste 40mastery)and chance to get 400 dodge, or a 300 51 haste 38 vers
guess im asking is that 400 dodge chance proc worth it
toxic coral
I don't see it in the pinned items, so sorry if this has been covered already. Is the Darkmoon Deck: Blockades, worth using as prot?
daring marlin
@leaden carbon shitty shield buddies
sly prism
daring marlin
Immortality got buffed. Good chance they could buff this one too.
Plus the STR is quite nice.
remote tusk
Is Darkmoon Deck: Blockades any good for us?
remote tusk
Okay, explains why it is dropping in price drastically.
twin hazel
i love that the past 3 questions asked is the same one
remote tusk
X)
twin hazel
and that people dont read the pins
remote tusk
I don't read well
main vault
Discords are such a shitshow rn
twin hazel
lol
daring marlin
Thyme the legend
remote tusk
twin hazel
hey thyme doe, this 400 dodge chance for 8 seconds proc, worth 10 ilvls?
undone sun
twin hazel
its a 2 set
main vault
No
twin hazel
what if i add a socket
undone sun
Rezan from Atal'dazar has haste/mastery
remote tusk
I went from a 266 to 340 from Tol Dagor.
Just scrap some greens you have from quests or such, and look for a blacksmith to get a 300+ shield.
vestal kiln
i've read that shields make a significant difference when tanking, whys that?
undone sun
block rating
vestal kiln
does that increase % chance or dmg taken
broken kite
% blocked
fiery pendant
do we know the formula for block rating -> % blocked?
sick sentinel
guys, giving up "Bloodsport" trait for +15 ilvl on chest and "Reinforced Plating" ?
i cant decide
ember dagger
Deafening crash doesn't stack :/
also does anyone else feel our azerite traits are kind of, well, boring?
undone sun
the damage does
ember dagger
But is it worth getting over anything else if I already have the effec ton another piece I wonder
Thunderous blast might outpace it on damage depending on proc rate
fiery pendant
are active traits worth more than raw ilevel?
got 340 shoulders with no active traits for ages lol
chilly brook
I feel like IP either got stealth buffed or I'm just not doing content that chews it up fast enough
sick sentinel
I felt like that in heroics. Mythics still feeels bad
topaz ember
i want to die in mythics
fiery pendant
think having a crappy shield is hurting a lot in mythics
topaz ember
280 sheild makes me sad
fiery pendant
crafted 310 here, really tried for at least a heroic one today
topaz ember
my sheild has 1000 armour and the mythics have like 1500 or somthing
undone sun
don't forget about that juicy block rating
topaz ember
i just mean 1300 more than mine
fiery pendant
700 more than mine
tardy oak
seriously im gonna smash my keyboard
fiery pendant
adds up though
surreal stump
i thought deafening crash effects stacked, did they change that?
tardy oak
why is protection so so so bad?
undone sun
topaz ember
but dont worry guys i got 4 340 myrhic rings
undone sun
@surreal stump only the damage, it was never changed
%, durations, and procs don't stack
surreal stump
hmm
topaz ember
i went 2 mythic dungeons with only 1 gear drop
topaz ember
i hate the fact that i have to decied weither to ip or thunder clap on one had i could die on the other i could lose aggro
tardy oak
yeah that too @topaz ember
Also AOE threat management is bad, just bad
we miss sustain aoe threat
fiery pendant
ive had some trouble keeping threat, was generally ok other than those mobs that constantly reset threat in freehold
managing with taunt, was a bit annoying though
tardy oak
yes
me2
how cann it be so bad, i dont get it
devs dont play the specs themselves? lol
fiery pendant
i dont think its that bad, but i havent played other tanks at 120 to compare
i think having to use taunt during trash packs is fine tbh
fiery pendant
sure but its still gonna be subjective
tardy oak
the difference to me is driving a ferrari and a toyota
topaz ember
yea but i love that toyota
tardy oak
yes man
but it shouldnt be toyota
there some major issues
we lack sustain aoe threat abilities, we lack rage regen and then we have to decide if we should spend our rage to stay alive or keep the aggro
tardy oak
im spamming heroics and its annoying
fiery pendant
bad healers mate
ember dagger
right after I hit 116 and my legendary items no longer worked things immediately got harder
tardy oak
prot needs redesign imho
severe steeple
i was just scolded and removed from a group by the healer because i was not using heals
fiery pendant
damn warriors, not using their self heals
severe steeple
wth
fiery pendant
shakes fist
tardy oak
lol
twin hazel
that just means they are a bad healer
tardy oak
#rekt
fiery pendant
yep
twin hazel
should be glad youre not g iving them free gear
fiery pendant
lmfao
tardy oak
lol
tardy oak
what a scrub man
fiery pendant
too busy watching what youre doing to heal you
what kind of mongo 'tracks' the tanks rotation during a fight
rigid steppe
healer "tracking your rotation" jesus christ take me now
hot locust
I guess I'll go ahead and be not viable for raid then while still doing everything just fine...
elfin lintel
And I change my burning crusade shaman main for a warrior tank in bfa..
nimble scarab
what talents are you using that you’re losing threat? I’ve been using booming voice so I can get a thunder clap and revenge in right off the bat
elfin lintel
I use booming voice too
nimble scarab
demon hunter dps seems to always pull off me with aoe packs though. not really anybody else
elfin lintel
But I'm seeing dps that dont focus and is hard keeping aggro
twin hazel
thats their problem then not yours
tardy oak
booming voice to
twin hazel
let them die
nimble scarab
yeah that’s just a symptom of kill everything at once that’s been around the last few xpacs
elfin lintel
But I'm new in tanking and the rage focus the tank
nimble scarab
aoe threat seems really weak for the most part I agree
none of the preemptive dps charts had prot warrior loaded so I wonder how much they were tested
tardy oak
on my monk i have Rushing Jade Wind which is spammable hits everyone around, i have Breath of Fire and Keg Smash
all spammable
for AoE
errant dagger
And permanent mitigation
hot locust
If you are having threat problems it really isn't the class right now...
No tanks are even close to prot in damage.
weary notch
unless your frickin boomchicken is running treants for some dumb reason
tardy oak
everyone complains everywhere, forums, youtube, etc, about Sustain AoE threat
hot locust
that's not a big deal
elfin lintel
Prot is the better in dmg?
tardy oak
again. it has insane BURST dps
tardy oak
sustain AoE is horseshit
quartz pond
like its always been
elfin lintel
What talents you use lala?
quartz pond
prot has always been great in big packs
hot locust
1 1 2 2 1 1
weary notch
wait, no bolster?
elfin lintel
Thanks lala
quartz pond
he skipped that row
elfin lintel
I use bolster
weary notch
oh, yeah, I see
tardy oak
@quartz pond now on big pull you have to decide where to spend the rage, IP or TC
elfin lintel
1123211
twin hazel
just pull more then
quartz pond
IP feels so small alway
twin hazel
more targets = more rage
tardy oak
lol
quartz pond
might aswell try to kill before u are killed
topaz ember
i jump in thunder clap pop demo shout stun pop avatar and then start claping again
just so i dont lose aggo as i buff
tardy oak
@topaz ember this u cant do every pack
lets wait and see, right now, comparing my warrior to my monk, monk is miles ahead, in every single way
ill level up pala and dk this week
also
and compare
quartz pond
DK looks good
tardy oak
i saw some charts, Warriors being the worst tank , dont recall what charts they were though
quartz pond
"charts"
tardy oak
simcraft
quartz pond
what was in those charts
quartz pond
there are no sims for tanks
tardy oak
they posted it on DK discord
elfin lintel
What's the best tank now?
quartz pond
tanking sims dont exist
hot locust
prot doesnt have a working module
elfin lintel
Paladin and druid no?
hot locust
so there is literally no way to have sims for prot warr
Any "chart" you saw is bullshit.
twin hazel
you can but still there is no dps module for prot warr either
elfin lintel
I'm new in tanking, when I should use avatar?
twin hazel
when its available
elfin lintel
Thanks @Idiezalot
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Is Shield Block effective against casters?
hot locust
no
twin hazel
can you block spells?
undone sun
Not as a warrior 😏
twin hazel
shield reflect
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So should shield block be all the time on me or should I time my shield blocks with the enemy melees?
I shouldnt shield block and shockwave after for example
Right?
quartz pond
u cant keep it up all the time
basically u have to predict it
when ur gonna take most dmg
or play another class that can have 100% active mitigation
quartz pond
there are usually boss mechanics that require active mitigation
undone sun
If you know what the enemy is going to do, it's not hard
quartz pond
so ensuring u have it by then is good
undone sun
Most are predictable anyways
quartz pond
on trash u can just spam it honestly
elfin lintel
I shouldnt shield block and shockwave after for example
I think not, you will waste time in SB
quartz pond
indeeed
twin hazel
or pop shield block and last stand
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I just feel like you can't use the all spells at once like I was used to
I have to decide whether I'll ignore pain or shock wave
fiery pendant
use last stand as another way to have sb up for 18 seconds while you recharge it
with bolster that is
elfin lintel
Yes
quartz pond
just pre pull last stand
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so last stand = shield block?
quartz pond
with bolster
fiery pendant
better to use last stand to let SB recharge imo
otherwise you lose that recharge time
undone sun
Last stand with bolster allows you to block for the duration of LS
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so I use my 2 charges of SB and use LS afterwards?
elfin lintel
If necessary
undone sun
But 95% of the time you don't need 100% sb uptime
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I feel like sometimes I panic too much and pop all defensives at once
fiery pendant
yeah for sure
tardy oak
when do we expect class tuning ?
quartz pond
after the first week of mythic
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There are times where you have a free revenge but you don't have the time to use it because you need to generate rage in order to IP. Anyone felt like that?
fiery pendant
dont necessarily have to use the proc as soon as you get it
elfin lintel
@Rhastalord lots of times, I'm new in tanking and I'm seeing issues with no rage
quartz pond
if u have no reage
fiery pendant
i feel like i have demo shout up every pack tbh, dont really have that many rage problems
quartz pond
ur using revenge too much
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Honestly I dont mind the slow gameplay but they should probably buff IP to ignore like 75% of damage as I feel like mobs are slicing through my hp like butter.
sick tree
So does prot feel a little clunky this season for anyone else with these gcd changes
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Yea it does
elfin lintel
I only use revenge when I could keep with rage for a emergency
tardy oak
i wanted to main warrior
sick tree
I don't like how it feels
I wish it can go back to devistator
that was the most fun
and smooth
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I feel like it requires more skill now & knowledge in order to perform well but they should atleast buff IP in order to compensate
Like using IP just to have it disappear after 2 seconds it's pretty harsh
sick tree
At the very least take demo shout off GCD
quartz pond
its bad in the sense
fiery pendant
use devastate once in every 10 gcds or so
quartz pond
its fine if they make it more chalenging and harder
elfin lintel
Well if we could tank as warriors we could tank with a priest with no problems
fiery pendant
?
quartz pond
if other tanks to the same but easier
fiery pendant
i do most dungeons with a disc priest
sick sentinel
hello guys
fiery pendant
lol
sick tree
Meanwhile I hear fury is super fast now
sick sentinel
can you giove me a good site for all the stat build / bis list for a prot war i ccan'ty find something very complete
quartz pond
fury is as fast as its always been
sick tree
I've mained prot forever but god I hate this clunk
quartz pond
have to get used to it
hot locust
I miss 100 apm prot
elfin lintel
A long time ago was a site about tanks in wow but I think they discontinued
quartz pond
I miss 140 ap glad
hot locust
I'm pretty happy with where it's at still though.
quartz pond
apm*
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Do you guys ever use intimidating shout in dungeons? I realised I never used it
tardy oak
@hot locust i really dont get how you can be happy with this unfinished spec..!
elfin lintel
I use, it gives rage
daring marlin
Badochas you crack me up every singlr time I see you.
elfin lintel
I think
quartz pond
cool
fiery pendant
dont think it generates rage
quartz pond
use fear as a mass interrupt
fiery pendant
can be used as an interrupt in an emergency
daring marlin
name/pfp #1
fiery pendant
ye
fiery pendant
the latter
if you have them gathered its a good brief cc
if theyre all over the place
theyll get even more all over the place
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xD
ember arrow
i see skyhold is loose
undone sun
maybe it's you that is loose
quartz pond
its that time of year
hot locust
Levko released upon us all.
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Has anyone done underroot on mythic? The adds that explode are beyond me
I always die there
ember arrow
fiery pendant
the ticks?
hot locust
they hurt bad all right
fiery pendant
nnnnnasty
ember arrow
its the most wonderful of the year
the ticks
ye dont stay near them
take the nearest nope train
strong forum
underrrot was literally the 1st mythic i did, not too many problems
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do you avoid tick by running away or is it global?
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also left side is a no go
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there are 6 mobs that 1 hitted me ever ytime
quartz pond
I actually miss our artifact ability :l
fiery pendant
ill try right next time, cheers
strong forum
people who go left LUL
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was that on mythic?
I think you weren't playing a warrior, you literally can't survive left side as a warrior xD
fiery pendant
glad to know not to do that lol
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then heroic leap out xD
strong forum
ye
ember arrow
yea
strong forum
kiting is still a thing
strong forum
same
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i'm scared of kiting mobs because of that
fiery pendant
not struggling with threat at all atm
ember arrow
losing some to aggro si preferable to dying
fiery pendant
occasional taunt thrown into the mix makes it fine
ember arrow
then everyone dies
strong forum
taunt has giga value
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will there be new affixes in m+ or same as legion?
strong forum
its perma CD almost
fiery pendant
theres new ones
strong forum
same as legion + a 4th seasonal
strong forum
its the 4th
fiery pendant
ye
strong forum
but yes 1st season
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do you guys have hopes to do high m+ as warrior?
fiery pendant
nah, dont plan to
strong forum
im gonna push ye
fiery pendant
just whatever gets you max ilevel from box
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I mean I hope I won't struggle on m+10, which is max ilvl from what I've read
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Do you guys look at your secondary stats?Or is that insignificant as a tank
strong forum
ilvl > stats
ember arrow
if i get to choose i do
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even 5 ilvl?
strong forum
depends
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over haste & vers?
ember arrow
on armor yes
fiery pendant
not on rings
ember arrow
haste>vers
u mean haste mastery
rings, you look at stats, trinkets depend on effects
strong forum
tfw you only have dogshit rings
twin hazel
Can the JC haste ring roll haste as its random property?
strong forum
310 haste versa and 325 versa mastery...
fiery pendant
i have crit haste and crit vers, 345 340 respectively :/
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I've got a warforged 340 ring from a WQ LUL
strong forum
ye
ember arrow
and now that BC is gone, crit has value too
fiery pendant
ye
strong forum
thank god for that
tardy oak
im trying arms, soooo clunky
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Are you guys having a hard time looting a shield? I have 340 one hand with 266 shield.
ember arrow
yea
fiery pendant
everything is clunky to you lol
ember arrow
i bought one
strong forum
355 shield here 😃
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omgg
ember arrow
luckil my dk has no such problems
fiery pendant
stuck with a 310
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Same
ember arrow
face>shield
strong forum
same, i bought it cuz was tilted
literally spammed hcs and atal normal for 9hrs
nothing
fiery pendant
bought longboi
strong forum
so i bought the fucker
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I've got 340 azerite gear and I have no traits on them lol
tardy oak
only Arms and Prot feels clunky @fiery pendant
fiery pendant
lol
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need lvl 18 on ring
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fury is super fun
strong forum
fury is so bad
fiery pendant
hits like a wet noodle
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ye
fiery pendant
pretty much
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every 10 stacks or so
fiery pendant
have stuff up for the smash he does
strong forum
after like 10-15 staqks ye
ember arrow
ah ok
fiery pendant
dont pull him into the fire when ur healer is thornsed either haha
strong forum
healer gets special attention from the fire ghosts afterwards aswell
fiery pendant
made that mistake here
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what's your hardest boss experience so far?
tardy oak
Fury is fun because is interactive, Arms is not, arms is as slow paced as my granda's jogging
fiery pendant
coven in waycrest i think
strong forum
arms is fun cuz its good