and nearly anytime bladestorm was popped, threat was stolen
#protection
celest jacinth
final mist
If you can't hold agro, that's a you issue, not the class.
coral dew
Hmm
final mist
Warriors do a significant amount of damage more compared to other tanks.
strong forum
exactly sal
final mist
Especially in AoE.
celest jacinth
I must be thunderclapping wrong or something ๐
timber nest
ITF bugged foir anyone else?
grim prism
Must be
final mist
Do you have Unstoppable Force and are you using Avatar on CD?
grim prism
@timber nest its not a flat 15%, it's 15% of your actual haste stat
digital arrow
Thunderclap even louder man
celest jacinth
on that freehold pull
he actually counted GCD's to pop it
he waited 5 and it still pulled after
celest jacinth
nah not at all dude
grim prism
They are if youre "the average wow player"
coral dew
Can you q for heroics at 300?
celest jacinth
you walk in
celest jacinth
can queue from 305 and not get a lockout
coral dew
Wait I thought there was a daily lockout on Heroics
Bleh, still catching up on this small stuff lol, please excuse me, it's been a while just came back
celest jacinth
heroics might well be
i cant remember the last time I did heroics and didnt do any overnight
strong forum
hero lockout is only if you walk in
if you queue theres no lockout
like its always been
coral dew
Right okay
Can you q with friends or No? Have to be solo right?
I've only been doing rdf
strong forum
random dungeon can be queued with friends
celest jacinth
can q as a whole group
oak nebula
hjhjhhh
undone sun
same tbh
coral dew
But if you q for specific dungeons you'll get lockout
celest jacinth
yeah same as if you walked in
coral dew
Word.
celest jacinth
literally, only reason to Q specific is if you're too lazy to walk
celest jacinth
pretty much
round vortex
Far out. Kingโs Rest (Mythic Only) was hardcore lol 317 ilvl so crazy undergeared and dam. Got it done tho!
coral dew
Heyyy bara grats
tardy oak
man heroics are easy
tardy oak
but i need new shield
stray field
304 ilvl atm
strong forum
yes mull
strong forum
yes GIGA low
round vortex
Cheers! Netted myself dat 340 shield. So hawt!
strong forum
340+ is high
celest jacinth
I heard DH and Monk are pretty fun mull ๐
grim prism
@stray field only if you know how to press buttons
tardy oak
shield ilvl helps with tanking?
round vortex
We started mythics when I was 303 and our best 306 lol all 320 + now
coral dew
Er, value
round vortex
Yeah massively - block rating made a huge difference
grim prism
It also helps you have a higher ilvl which helps you not die
stray field
@grim prism been playing warrior for 9 years, just not prot
grim prism
But it wont help you hold aggro in absence of proper rotation
digital arrow
U guys having trouble tanking heroics+ with the general bfa nerf to threat management? Or not really
coral dew
Only if your group dps is a mess
grim prism
@stray field it has crazy high damage for a tank spec, and it mitigates absurd amounts of damage if you proactively use cooldowns the way you are supposed to
celest jacinth
I had trouble with some high dps players
grim prism
@digital arrow nope
celest jacinth
others feel like its fine
round vortex
Have run 4 Mythics so far. All Iโm going to say guys is DONโT treat it like legion AOE fest. Take it at a medium pace and pick your pulls. If you can take a DK for the grip then helps a shit ton.
round vortex
My only threat problem is against DPS warriors with blade storm lol only thing that pulls off me. But I told him to hold fire for 3-4 secs and all good.
Yeah or a ranged interrupt would be amazing
coral dew
How much hard CC did you guys have to use on pulls @round vortex
round vortex
I also found that popping avatar then charging in saved you a GCD in generating AOE threat lol
coral dew
Just wondering what the pace is like rn
celest jacinth
only place I think we used any CC
was kings rest
some of those trash mobs were stupidly hard
especially shadow of zul lol
tardy oak
guys, i am 300 ilvl, when i lose aggro i need to fucking attack the mob like 3-4 sec to take it back
my weapon is 260 ilvl and shield 200
could this be the case?
round vortex
@coral dew we sapped about 30% of the time and when there were 2 troublesome mobs we got our holy pally to spec repentance. Helps heaps having CC @coral dew
coral dew
Nice
hot locust
didn't^ CC anything in any of the dungeons and they went fine.
coral dew
On mythic?
hot locust
Yeah
coral dew
Show off ๐
hot locust
Other than kicks and shockwave/slows we didn't really have much hard CC
Didn't need it though, just kill it all :^)
round vortex
Well we were doing mythics at 303 ilvl
hot locust
I was 294.
hot locust
before lmao
round vortex
Congrats. I donโt think itโs wise to spread to the community not to use CC though lol
hot locust
I think it's not wise to spread a false-need of doing things you don't need to do.
coral dew
I'm assuming 1 pack at a time tho?
hot locust
Proper play means you don't need to. Teach how to play properly instead.
coral dew
1 to 2 packs
hot locust
1-2 packs yeah.
coral dew
Ah okay
round vortex
Ok - yea I totally agree. Everyone do mythics at 294 ilvl and donโt use CC.
grim prism
I need hard CC on half packs at a time in my m0s god damn it
vocal nimbus
i tanked now king's rest at 288
but as brm
party was 290-300 too
pretty doable if the party knows how to play
grim prism
No
round vortex
Iโm not talking about kings rest Iโm talking about mythics in general
celest jacinth
kings was one of the harder ones in my oppinion
vocal nimbus
^
and kings is mythic only
which are harder than the ones that have normal/heroic
celest jacinth
not looking forward to the alliance side one
round vortex
Kings rest had 2-3 super difficult packs that rolled the group. Rest was fairly ok
vocal nimbus
you can outrun them
hot locust
yeh
vocal nimbus
the bosses were fucking amazing
round vortex
And yea that was one of the packs. Our DK just MCโd then was awesome
And that little hallway where the purple spirits turn big mobs was bloody nuts.
round vortex
Yeah
tardy oak
this goblin dungeon
round vortex
Sketchy was an understatement for us. Total bath lol
celest jacinth
im going to fish through a few heroics and boe's for a better shield tomorrow
round vortex
Yeah we did Mythic Motherlode as well lol
celest jacinth
but im definitely going to level a dh or monk up on the side
round vortex
We did it straight after heroic though and our mythic went smoother. Likely from a bit of experience and we went more carefully lol
nimble depot
is darkmoon card good?
undone sun
no
summer basalt
guys do you know any rare that gives a "decent" shield and 1h weapon?
vocal nimbus
Afaik theres one in kultiras
In druvter iirc
Someone mentioned it a couple hours ago
hot locust
Skeleton right outside Atal'dazar up on the left gives one as well.
summer basalt
ty guys
coral dew
Is there a loot table for any if these in the db?
bitter cloak
ok is it that my monk 110 lvl or its way better than my 120 prot warrior?
vocal nimbus
When you ding 120 things get harder until you gear up a little
bitter cloak
so ishould'nt reroll brew monk? ๐
undone sun
up to you
celest jacinth
tank some mythics and get your own scope for it
and keep in mind that they will balance things too
bitter cloak
well in last exp warrriors was preaty fucked up and no balance hellpt
vocal nimbus
๐ค
celest jacinth
blizz learn a little more each expac
eventually they will be able to balance their games well ๐
maybe its karma for warriors being the only viable tank in vanilla
bitter cloak
๐
sick sentinel
๐ค
blazing dirge
ugh can't get a shield to drop higher than 276
sick sentinel
Prot Warrior is fine.
coral dew
JAG
bitter cloak
oh btw.... where is that promissed vanilla servers?
celest jacinth
no release date iirc yet
bitter cloak
bitches...
celest jacinth
i think rightfully so, BFA was the priority
bitter cloak
well that still doesint solve problem of 110 brew monk being op and my being afraid to faill as tank with prot warr.
celest jacinth
go try it mate ๐ Im levelling a DH after doing a few dungeons myself
vocal nimbus
Keep to brm, its easier to not fuck up with
blazing dirge
Loving prot warrior in dungeons. My DH will be my tank for higher m+ as backup, but ya
and ya they're not very forgiving
bitter cloak
well i tryed that son of the brew brewmaster and thats why i started to think that i made mistake that i leveled my warrior that i play since litchking...
celest jacinth
You played a warrior all legion?
blazing dirge
I did yes
celest jacinth
felt useless in mythic nh
blazing dirge
because lolmagicdmg
celest jacinth
rerolled to druid for the rest
sick sentinel
@coral dew you have Kulett the Ornery in Tiragarde Sound NW of Norwington Estate that drops a haste/mastery shield, and Hakbi the Risen in Zuldazar near Atal'dazar drops crit/mastery shield.
known drops so far.
celest jacinth
turning point was watching my paladin OT tank M botanist p3 for like 40% of its hp
I could do about 10%
bitter cloak
well dont want to be that tank that signed to m+ with ilvl 90000 ant in ques sings a brew with 300 ilvl and hes the one who gets the spot couse warriors not good at m+ or other shit
blazing dirge
rares are only dropping 273 tyhough ya?
celest jacinth
guardian druid did it for 95% at 30 less ilvl
sick sentinel
280 ilvl at 120, but may potentially be epic drop with blizz's system etc
celest jacinth
theres breakpoints for wqs etc
blazing dirge
yar. I'll have to go snag them
celest jacinth
might be the same for rares
blazing dirge
naw I'm getting 325 WQs, just got a 280 shield from yeti
celest jacinth
ill go have a look in a sec just unlocking proffs on alts
coral dew
Jag thanks a lot buddy
celest jacinth
ahh rip
coral dew
๐
sick sentinel
otherwise, Rezan in Atal'dazar has 310 shield haste/mastery.
blazing dirge
ya ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
at normal diff
coral dew
Oh yeah that too
blazing dirge
can we not talk about the shield that doesn't drop for me? :p
celest jacinth
mines still 273 lol
sick sentinel
for us^
blazing dirge
273 1h, 276 shield
celest jacinth
I got a nice 340 from umm
blazing dirge
rest is 310+ easy
celest jacinth
the last boss in sethrallis
sick sentinel
im still lvling cus am casual normie w/ no real time to play like I used to.
but still emphasize to min/max my play. love my warrior.
only 271 ilvl at 118 ๐
celest jacinth
apparently the disc priest cord is complaining about us haha
prot warrior threat and mitigation
undone sun
lol
crystal night
Anyone know how to nerf the council fight on freehold?
celest portal
you just kill it
celest jacinth
dont remember that being overly hard mate? I think the storms follow the boss that summons them
so a lot of boss movement
fuck off arms warr
more mastery pls
celest portal
๐
ember arrow
@celest jacinth what about it are they complainin?
junior ivy
how do i unlock WQ
celest portal
war kampaign
blazing dirge
friendly all reps, warfronts done
arctic pulsar
does anyone know how to change traits?
celest portal
azerite armor ones?
celest portal
^^^
junior ivy
i dunno what warfronts even are tbh
junior ivy
ok cool
sick sentinel
warfronts are addtional quests to get you more reps and azerites. Integral to your overall war campaign.
unlock as you lvl up. 112, 114, 116 each I think.
coral dew
Wait warfronts aren't even out yet are they?
shadow field
Nope
signal plover
any tips for last boss of shrine of storms on mythic?
uptime issues pretty obvious there
i think ill just kite more
crystal night
@celest portal they have 100% damage and health 100%
solid forge
hey could anyone link me their talent setup for mythic dungeons?
winged elm
Whats the thoughts on Darkmoon Deck: Blockades?
stark sage
@solid forge prot really only has 1 viable talent build
sick sentinel
@stark sage which one?
solid forge
the icy veins one then?
stark sage
yeah
solid forge
ai cool
sick sentinel
okay, using it already
merry cave
disc priest discord is probably just full of fotm idiots anyway ๐คท
spice goblet
Is it that bad? I know I am having threat issue but figured it would scale with better gear
merry cave
No
ember arrow
let me just carry this one over to skyhold incase that didnt happen yet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226301753086181377/479371956546699265/new.png
signal plover
the shield hunt is real lads
merry cave
disc is probablyfull of those types of idiots who just play whats 'best atm'
so of course there the type who whinge about anyone not playing the number 1 takn
ember arrow
spice goblet
Im not really qorried about what they are saying. I am more concerned with what I am seeing while playing
ember arrow
well, threat shouldnt be an issue
lets start with your talents
unless someone already asked this
spice goblet
Std icy veins build
ember arrow
you precast avatar before charging into a pakc?
you use DS on cd for the resource gen/dps/surv gain
is aggro A problem, or THE problem?
spice goblet
I havent seen survivability issues, I havent gone to mythic yet
ember arrow
im #3500 in queue, so i have time to figure this out
celest jacinth
threat will also naturally depend on your groups dps of course
poor dps no problems
ember arrow
threat modifier is 450%
celest jacinth
and my disc priest has been disc priest about 6 months now, healed through all of ToS
celest jacinth
nobody did 4-5 times me
ember arrow
biggest issue comes in, when THEY aggro first
pulling aggr off of someone is considerably harder than initiating aggro
celest jacinth
there was maybe like 3-4 pulls in 4 mythic dungeons where people prepulled
merry cave
If someones running in and using warbreaker > bladestorm tell them to wait literally 2 gcd
celest jacinth
arms warr waited 6 gcd's to bladestorm
celest portal
I waited 5 and still pulled agro lel
spice goblet
Thats true as well, most of them are use to a tank being able to get aggro back
Its not as easy now with the aggro change
coral dew
Even thru avatar Tclap spam they can aggro?
regal dune
is Darkmoon deck any good this time around? I saw that it doesn't give armor but rather alternate in HP values
celest jacinth
unfortunately i have to choose between a TC or an ignore pain
ember arrow
you initiate with TC
regal dune
Ok, just trying to see what our scribes should prioritize for trinkets if anything, will try for DPS ones.
ember arrow
since u got DS up
mobs dont do their dangerous mechanics at pull
Avatar> charge> DS> TC> SS
if you initiate with IP, then obviously you will not gai naggro
coral dew
Gotta initiate with Dragon Roar after DS๐น
coral dew
Lmao
plucky shore
If you click a button after an auto attack it should be enough
ember arrow
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regal island
just use rage potions
ezpz
IP then charge/tc into sb
you can get tons off your garrison each week
coral dew
Boiiii
celest portal
Warriors seem way squishier than tanks like dh/monk :/
next summit
can someone please tell me what you use on keys 1-10 and row above that works best in grouping. about to switch my arms into protection to help with grouping
undone sun
keybinds are 100% preference based
there is no real right or wrong, it's what is comfortable for your set up and hands
next summit
yeah, i am just wondering how they keep agro on them, i am used to dealing damage
sick sentinel
Thunder slam slam avatar bleedervenge.
blazing dirge
Better explanation than most of us could give in chat
sick sentinel
Prot dps/aggro master.
blazing dirge
Avatar Tc revenge tc revenge tc revenge lolded
next summit
thanks, will try that and look at the site. real helpful
blazing dirge
Def look at the site. Amazingly helpful
stark sage
@daring marlin
ember arrow
it should, but it isnt
undone sun
a lot of things should be, but aren't
ember arrow
my dad should ahve returned from groceries 10 years ago
etc
tbh, it isnt as bad as i made it out to be, now actually playing it
daring marlin
top lulli
daring marlin
๐คฎ
ember arrow
arent most abilities, that would require such a cd, predictable?
stark sage
sure, but in my brain i categorize raid utility into its own box separately from my class utility
and i like to not be interrupted doing my class thing, when its time to do a raid thing
ember arrow
its not one and the same?
u bring a class for their utility for others?
and the hp increase helps you too right?
stark sage
well my thought process is, rally is dedicated to the raid. my core class abilities have nothing to do with the raid and i get into the rythm using those
then suddenly i have to stop that rythm to hit rally
its a minor complaint in reality
ember arrow
i see where youre coming from, i just look at class utility and raid utility as one and the same, unless the utility doesnt help anyone but themselves
grim prism
+1 for raid utils on GCD being cancer
blazing dirge
@daring marlin
crimson quarry
Right, I can't predict when puggers who ate crayons stand in fire or blade storm off top
grim prism
Demo shout is fine off-GCD. It's a shitload of rage and a massive debuff on all enemies in a radius. If they are moving away from off-GCD cooldoowns it makes sense DS got it
It's practically a rotational resource builder for how often it's off cooldown
crimson quarry
The biggest tease for me is playing with earlier talents and getting used to them. Then going into dung-
blazing dirge
And 20% MIT for that often feels rotational for sure
crimson quarry
Warmode
gleaming thicket
blazing dirge
You see I forgot to go haste talent off tier 1 when I stopped doing rares.... dungeons were hard lol
quiet bronze
So is it just me being bad, or is aoe threat just not gonna happen half the time in dungeons
undone sun
@gleaming thicket battle potion of strength
quiet bronze
Sure, but the rando rogue not attacking the main target pulls threat almost instantly
grim prism
It is entirely possible that dps are just pulling before you can get aggro built up
outer slate
I feel like Iโm on a fucking stomp team with how many thunderclaps I do
grim prism
Well that is his problem
quiet bronze
So then it's not me
grim prism
Let the shitter die then taunt what he pulled; they learn eventually
quiet bronze
He didn't. Instead he got mad and kicked me
arctic pulsar
its like every expac people forget los
grim prism
Lol
grim prism
Welcome to prot discord
stark sage
idiot rogues
grim prism
Right
stark sage
a rogue should NEVER have aggro problems, they have 2 anti threat tools
quiet bronze
Almost any dungeon I've done since hitting 120, constantly losing aggro to dps that aren't hitting my target
grim prism
If a rogue of all things is pulling aggro and not redirecting, consider yourself lucky to be booted from his horseshit
outer coral
I play rogue and I agree
stark sage
@quiet bronze are you following the aoe priority for your rotation
quiet bronze
I'm spamming thunder clap, revenge on proc, and swapping targets consistently to try and maintain threat on everything
arctic pulsar
i feel teh same
quiet bronze
Including damage boost from shout
And taunting stuff that is close to losing threat
grim prism
Use rev to spend rage for more DPS if you can afford it (which you probably can)
stark sage
you can spend rage on revenge
quiet bronze
Yeah
stark sage
if you have trouble keeping aggro
grim prism
But theres not much you can personally do to keep bad DPS from failing to PvE properly
quiet bronze
It's not helping to do that though, it's still not hitting hard enough to pull them off of the dps
So then did no one get the memo about threat reduction?
undone sun
๐ค
outer coral
btw going to level my warrior now
do you guys think prot levels faster than fury?
grim prism
No, people just have bad habits from it being brand new content and wrapping up leveling I think
stark sage
i havnt had any threat issues, playing as a dps or as a tank
grim prism
@outer coral probs about the same
You are still going to a quest zone, pulling everything, nuking it all at once, then continuing on
It's already wednesday, arent you 120 yet? Sheesh
๐
ember arrow
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grim prism
Prot is going to pull slightly more things at once and kill them slightly slower. I think your gameplan for leveling is going to have a bigger effect than which spec you pic
outer coral
ye I just had the impression tanks were mass pulling everything and levelling faster
plain vapor
grim prism
Actually you know what
DPS war has a cooldown on throw
Slower add pickup
Definitely go prot, heroic throw OP
outer coral
ye gonna do that
uncut juniper
Is it possible to access Kings Rest as Horde Player right away? Does anyone know?
jade socket
yes
celest jacinth
yes
uncut juniper
nice
celest jacinth
its mythic only
uncut juniper
yea but because for alliance players its gated behind war campaign i wasnt sure if this counts for horde players aswell
were running mythic dungeons and thats the one we havent done yet
jade socket
we have siege gated behind war campaign
sick sentinel
๐คท never have threat issues still.
have been mass pulling while lvling too btw.
can survive ez even after leggos expires.
So I usually play fury but these queue times for dungeons and stuff are killing me. I toyed with prot in legion but havenโt touched it since 8.0, howโs it looking?
yeah all the tanks/healers are still lvling/doing premades so the pool is small atm vs the massed amount of dps who rather mindlessly DPS dongers lol
prot is fine if you know the classes mechanics, rotation, and play proactively vs reactively compared to other tanks.
#1 AOE dps tank atm
if not very near
So itโs a spec you gotta go in knowing whatโs going on with bosses to plan ahead
Gotcha
outer coral
@sick sentinel just out of curiosity what spec is the #2?
fresh dragon
sick sentinel
i got %6 lel
rotund fractal
Any Pawn strings out there for Protection? Not sure if Raidbots supports tank specs yet.
main vault
Pawn for tanks
sick sentinel
@sick sentinel watch Fatboss for general guides for knowing what's coming
And focus on mechanics in normal. Not punishing, but set good habits for lated
rotund fractal
@main vault ?
strong forum
pawn doesnt work for tanks
stark sage
doesnt really work for dps either 
strong forum
true
rotund fractal
worked pretty alright in legion tbh
stark sage
doesnt account for breakpoints and opportunity cost properly
its more or less accurate, but not precise
sick sentinel
Keladan bringing the heat!
stark sage
๐ฅ
sick sentinel
I wish I could use that cat as a iMessage emoji
bleak willow
just in case people dont realize it
island expeditions are amazing as prot
diablo barbarian ftw
crystal night
ty so much boiz
sick sentinel
@outer coral from what I hear its between prot warr/prot pally for top 2
outer coral
ye I assumed it
sick sentinel
feelsbadman cant do mission table research Tier 3 until next week.
cus stuck waiting on next rotation of islands expedition types
bleak willow
aoe tanks
lavish spear
Anyone else not getting into the fray buff in dungeons?
dim quarry
hey dudes are al;l the azurite traits stackable?
jade socket
They all stack in some way
Not all effects stack
effects that donโt scale with ilvl donโt stack(almost always)
dark junco
What setup do you build for island expedition ?
sick sentinel
why are we so shiit? ๐ฆ
daring marlin
hmmm
compact siren
man i preferred legion prot so much over this abomination
daring marlin
Any thoughts on fathoms for tanks?
blazing dirge
what's with all you haters? at least back up your statements with data and facts lol
coral dew
Is there a mod for making devestate and revenge not sound like im hitting someone with a fucking pillow
blazing dirge
yes. unplug speakers :p
blazing dirge
Hmmm.... hire a teenager to bang a gong each time you hit them
coral dew
I really want to shield slam you
blazing dirge
"Helpful dogshep. stfu"
coral dew
irl
coral dew
lol
hot locust
@coral dew changing the transmog on your weapon will change the sound a bit.
to different types that is
swords vs maces sound different, dunno about axes.
coral dew
Yeah I know but they still sound so quiet
I feel like they used to have a little more punch to them
like in wrath, cant remember
cloud jay
Possible silly question has there been any recommendations yet on what armor piece to get after getting the heart of azeroth?
violet coral
just tanked my first few mythics, good lord felt rage starved the entire time >_<
jagged bay
in waycrest manor u can reflect the Wasting Strike from lord waycrest deals alot of dmg to him and even puts the dot on him
weary notch
what ilvl, @violet coral
violet coral
I think that's the main problem haha only 313 so I was gettin trucked
weary notch
running ITF, BV and AM?
violet coral
yep. First time tanking (in bfa) so just getting used to things compared to legion aka SB & IP costing so much rage
weary notch
that's my guess. Being undergeared would make you feel the need to use IP more, resulting in rage starvation. Remember to use Last Stand to fill in shield block gaps
weary notch
yeah, when you're running bolster, don't save last stand, use it after 3 SB uses, then be sure not to use SB again until LS wears off
violet coral
ty
twin hazel
Theres a weakaura discord right? does anyone happen to have it?
ah nvm its in the welcome page
twin hazel
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sick sentinel
how are you guys doing damage wise
regal crypt
isit worth getting the Darkmoondesk Blockade as prot? or nah its terrible
twin hazel
not worth buying is what ive been hearing people say
regal crypt
eh its just theres a scribve in my guild making it so if its decent-ish i'm gonna ask him for it
twin hazel
the resources would be better for the other cards if hes making them for the guild
regal crypt
i ill inform him, cheers
neat harbor
so boys, looks like haster-mastery gear set will serve both fury and prot this expac?
but will be garbo for arms D:
junior ivy
is a 289 blue item better than a 290 green item?
fierce juniper
no rarity/color doesn't matter
junior ivy
ok, thanks, good to know
i'm sort of lost with gear
i stiull want haste right?
theres a guide right?
lemme go read it
is there anything cuter than a gnome on a bee
nope.
twin hazel
a gnome being stung by a huge bee
junior ivy
no.
amber hill
dead gnome
shrewd knoll
how is the darkmoon deck for prot?
undone sun
Sub par
Decent trinket for the ilevel and base strength but the effect isn't worth considering.
shrewd knoll
cool ty
sick tree
Darkmoon tank trinket not worth right?
next goblet
how are we at 120? i just logged in to start leveling
decided im gonna main prot
and is leveling as prot ok?
undone sun
yeah
next goblet
recommended leggos? im thinkin boots/shoulders for most movement speed?
undone sun
boots/sephuz is the popular choice
pallid pendant
Hi guys, i have problems. Im tanking in dungeon heroic and i lose to easily my aggro, i feel really weak. Do you have any advice or tips ? I follow icy veins and use my cd well ( i think so xD )
next goblet
tab target
pallid pendant
Thx big advice
next goblet
threat has been reduced if you didnt know
so if you're just using thunderclap/revenge it most likely isn't enough if your dps is AoEing like a motherbitch
pallid pendant
I know but its really hard :/, i mean if you have , like 8 mobs, sometimes i lose my aggro and i feel really bad x) and the war prot is that weak ? Or its just me.
next goblet
tankings.. different now
amber siren
Just make sure you're using avatar appropriately for large packs for TC threat and taunt preemptively on any mobs you see on your threat plates that are losing aggro on
pallid pendant
i do, but when i don't have the CD of avatar the cd of my taunt, that's the moment when i felt bad
next goblet
tab devastate?
pallid pendant
hm ok, and are we weaker then other class or its feel "ok" for you ?
sage cairn
i feel worthless
have tanked prot since i started this game and cant keep aggro and get destroyed by enemies
on boss fights only using revenge on free proc am only healing for around 1.5-2k hps if im lucky prioritizing shield block and then using all rage for ip
still getting rocked
amber siren
You'll feel very weak until you get a decent shield
next goblet
^
amber siren
That's just how it is at the beginning
weary notch
also, dungeons are a team effort now. Some classes can still rip threat if they blow everything the second you pull
little star
i was struggling at first against an outlaw rogue 10 ilvl higher than me
you'll pick up what to do on pull etc
plus TotT and misdirect if you have a rogue or hunter in your group
don't be afraid to ask for them to put it up
next goblet
if you want easy AoE threat tho.. theres always monk and pally lol
shut summit
our aoe threat / dps is insane, if you're having issues its either a huge ilvl disparity or you're playing extremely wrong
undone sun
the damage portion stacks, yes
twin hazel
you wont get 4s extention of your demo shout tho
final mist
It does not, and is set at 2 seconds at all ranks
We have tested it extensively all beta
Into llive
crimson sentinel
Biggest advice is tab target
Regular melee swings for 2-3k none crit
Its quite a lot
I never lost aggro yet
tired forge
are ppl having survivability issues? or am i failing
spring hinge
what rep is everyone trying to max out first?
crimson sentinel
Feelsbadman
tired forge
wtf
crimson sentinel
Yea
tired forge
322 ilvl, 277 shield
sage cairn
does shield make that big of a difference?
tired forge
im having an issue fitting IP into rotation but every1 says i need to use it more
crimson sentinel
Just compare your 270 shield with a 325
IP rly wont save your life xd
U should use it yes
crimson sentinel
If u wanna survive in a dangerous pack, no CDS just kite
tired forge
too many gcds!
crimson sentinel
Xd
sage cairn
so a 30 ilvl upgrade on shield give roughly 600 more armour and 1k block
final mist
Guides:
The Protection Warrior guide has been updated for BfA and is being maintained by Marok over on Icy Veins. As always, itโs being continually updated and changed, so please keep an eye on it as the expansion progresses!
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
Tank Notes: BfA Edition: by @gaunt dawn https://tanknotes.tk/
Trinket List: by @crystal spire https://www.dreamgrove.gg/guardian/defensive-trinkets/
Blockable Spell List: by @shut summit https://goo.gl/9oXvRK
Weak Auras:
Ignore Pain Tracker: https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
Block Tracker (works with Bolster!): https://wago.io/WarriorBlockTracker
F.A.Q.
Is Protection viable for end-game M+ / raid progression? The differences between each tank is so minor at this point that you will be fine no matter what youโre playing or doing, and said differences only become โimportantโ if youโre doing bleeding edge progression (in which case, you wouldnโt be asking this question in the first place). Protection is very strong defensively, and the best tank for DPS โ but itโs not easy. You will need to practice and be using abilities proactively to reduce incoming damage.
Is the Darkmoon Deck a good buy? The heal is negligible, though the stamina gain is massive (~330 stamina on average), and of course, the Strength on it is very good. If you can pick one up, do so; it's very good defensively now after the buff. For other trinkets, please see the guide linked above.
Iโm having trouble keeping aggro on enemies, why is that? Git gud. Your DPS will be significantly hampered unless youโre using the recommended talents (most importantly, Unstoppable Force, Booming Voice, & Anger Management). DPS translates to threat, especially so now that bonus threat for being a tank has been massively reduced. You wonโt hold aggro just by looking at enemies anymore.
I'm having trouble surviving, why is that? Git gud. This can be for a few reasons. For example, it is more important than ever to be proactive in using your cooldowns to their max effectiveness - improper usage of things like Last Stand, mistiming Shield Block, spending too much Rage on Revenge, etc, will kill you. Re-read the guide to make sure you're up to date and ask in the channel if you have any further questions.
versed barn
what stats should i prio?
final mist
little star
versed barn
ty
severe pond
what's the rare name who drops a shield on kul tiras?
latent anvil
how is everyone faring on holding aggro so far? i really seem to struggle in AOE pulls or if theres an outlaw rogue in my group, if anyone has some tips?
dapper fog
Ive been finding that if I can stay a few yards ahead of the group and get a TC and revg in at the start aggro isnt too much of an issue, after that its shield slams on tab target
latent anvil
i'll try adding in SW to my opening rotation, been saving it for an oh crap relief right now, usually i open with demo shout, revenge, then tab target slam/devastate
tawny panther
Quick one. Is it ok to lose deafening shout? I feel I 'have' to have it. Still making a few mistakes and In kings rest it was reeeeally helpful a few times but could gain some ilvl dropping it
quiet bronze
@latent anvil I was having the same problem. I have since started pulls with demoralizing shout and thunder clap / revenge (if shout is up), or thunder clap and revenge, then tab and devastate/shield slam
Taunting the main target while charging also seems to help a lot while tab targeting to build, as well as marking targets before hand so people will hopefully hit the skull first
tawny panther
@latent anvil you can have avatar up a lot of pulls too, use it generously and top dps in aoe :D
quiet bronze
^
tawny panther
After a hit or two tho. Or just before charge
latent anvil
yeah, im getting used to having avatar, been trying to use it for larger aoe pulls to maintain aggro easily
latent anvil
im wondering if i prioritize my ignore pain too much over other CDs to avoid dmg
tawny panther
IP is a rage dump nothing more.
quiet bronze
IP is only worth using to dump rage
tawny panther
Dislike it, it helps lol
latent anvil
alright, im guessing its better to pop last stand even?
quiet bronze
With the talent, you can use it more often
tawny panther
Once your blocks both on cooldowns you can ls
latent anvil
ok, thanks for the tips, ill give it a try
i feel i save some CDs when i could easily burn them, just waiting for a worse moment and then lose aggro because of it
clear sapphire
Hows the Bygone bee almanac? Dont see a trinket guide yet?
tawny panther
Yep, wall is a shit oh shit button so use it more
latent anvil
alright, been holding it if i feel the healer doesnt have a heal for me
tawny panther
You need to use it before the hit so after is meh
Last stand is our best oh shit button but it's good to use while getting your shield blocks back
Also get a good shield. I hear it's a big improvement. Unfortunately my luck on it is garbage and literally my worst item by 30+ ilvl lol
latent anvil
ive been unlucky, my shield is ilvl 253 right now, havent seen a new one yet
tawny panther
If you raise ilvl quests drop higher and higher but it's still pitiful compared to rest of gear, but since our mitigation is via block. That block rating stat is key
Managed to get through nythics with a quest shield but I was trucked insanely hard a good few times, just something to focus on keeping up to date if poss
latent anvil
im on heroics right now, but larger packs and certain bosses wreck my face without big CDs, even been checking AH for a new shield
tawny panther
World quests could be a shout but not seen a weapon spawn on 1 yet
Literally half the dungeons drop shields so we just keep grinding lol
latent anvil
i havent seen a shield or weapon for any WQs yet
crystal night
IS Brace for Impact better than Iron Fortress as far as being tankier goes
tawny panther
Yep, but not something that matters much, ilvl and secondaries will matter more I think
Both are good
The main trait to my knowledge is deafening shout, not sure what ilvl it's worth tho
latent anvil
does deafening crash refresh each time you use TC, or it just adds 2seconds once
errant ledge
bee almanac worth keeping until uldir?
Or should we just get the 2 recommended trinkets in the guide?
Bee almanac cant warforge/titanforge is the only disadvantage i see
tawny panther
@amber siren o read that too but since the guide is updated on IV, seems to have removed that claim. Honestly it felt like those extra seconds were invaluable in mythics to me, like I don't think I could go without lol.
sick sentinel
why is everyone saying prot is shit?
somber burrow
I feel like i get trucked
amber siren
@tawny panther It's still on the azerite page, "If your current Azerite piece has Deafening Crash Icon Deafening Crash on it, you only want to replace it with another piece that has Deafening Crash on it. The exception to this being if you have a 25+ item level increase."
twin hazel
So the Icy veins guide only shows the actual warrior armor traits. Does this mean that the zone specific traits are never good?
dapper fog
So I remeber hearing that Pawn is useless for prot warriors, has anyone actually figured out the stat values so that it can be manually set up?
twin hazel
pawns been useless since legion maybe even before
undone sun
don't use pawn defensively and considering we don't have working sims it's also useless offensively
zealous heart
So what can I look at for in depth guides on how to prot right now?
Is Icy Veins still shit?
fierce juniper
np
sage cairn
question what amount of haste should we be aiming for
fierce juniper
There's no specific amount of haste you want/need.
Go for ilvl while prioritizing hate.
merry cave
Lol the other tank in guild picked up Boe shield for 200k now there all going for millions ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
crystal night
Brace for impact is better than iron fort marok?
latent anvil
im struggling myself upgrading shield, most shields on server are 500k+, mine is at 253ilvl i just keep hoping for that RNG
hot locust
@crystal night Yeah it is at least defensively.
neon surge
latent anvil
i actually just found a blacksmith and give some mats to craft the ilvl 300 shield, so if others are struggling might be worth looking into
prisma crane
is there a consensus on the upgrade choices?
prisma crane
i fell through teh world
this is "awesome"
wont even let me use unstuck
cant log out
weary notch
I've been having nearly unplayable lag. Everywhere, but especially in Stormsong.
summer basalt
guys into the frey is bug? on dungeon i dont have the effect on buff
raven kernel
i have it in stormwind
chilly brook
Is it normal to be getting eaten alive in normals at 290 ilvl?
bleak willow
ive found that you really need to priotize having IP up as much as possible
that stops drastic hp loss
chilly brook
I mean it seems like I was getting chunked in freehold
ionic fern
There's multiple reasons for it..did you keep SB up? Did you IP? Were you facing all the mobs or were some of them hitting you in the back? etc
prisma crane
casts interrupteD?
ionic fern
Did you use your CD's?
bleak willow
yeah, there's nothing we can point to atm to say oh yeah magic fix
facing, IP and shieldbashing stuff is pretty important
if you have to demo every other fight do it
survival is your job and you have to kinda fuss it out
its all by feels
stray field
Any good addons i need for tanking as prot warr?
ionic fern
Nothing specific afaik.
undone sun
nothing you need, but weakauras and boss mods are always useful
raven kernel
as long as you are aware of your IP, shieldblock/laststand(bolster)
floral hatch
@chilly brook griff what shield are you using?
static burrow
@chilly brook can i get that?
raven kernel
u should see a massive difference now @chilly brook
chilly brook
I do already yea
smoky wave
I'll throw it out, but if anyone needs a shield horde eu servers attached to talnivarr I'll do it for material cost.
pine surge
Assuming stat priority is still the same in BoA?
amber siren
ilvl>haste>mast>=vers
celest portal
Hows the paper tank feeling for you guys. people in my guild find it easier tanking in mythik dungeons as a dh or a brm, I find at 322 that mobs hit me really hard and often ignore feels like a wasted global
prisma crane
play right and it's not paper
celest portal
great advice!!
cinder nova
@amber siren Switch mastery and vers.
amber siren
๐ ๐
celest jacinth
I mean I had someone telling me that im not playing right who was 119 last night and hadnt stepped into a heroic dungeon let alone a mythic.. so theres that
cinder nova
I wouldn't take advice from randos at the start of an expansion
99% of the time they're lost as fuck and think they're going to create the next groundbreaking meta
regal cove
What's up fellow stalwart protectors! Does anyone know the stat weights at max level? Im wondering if Haste is still pushing for 30% for shield block uptime and GC reduction.
hot locust
It's in the IV guide in pins, but Haste>Mast=Vers>Crit defensively. Ilvl is more important than stats for the most part though.
undone sun
30% ๐ค
regal cove
I feel like it isn't possible but yeah, those progression @hot locust posted is what I am following
prisma crane
that 30% number has been an arbitrary number since middle of legion... ๐ค
cinder nova
@hot locust Haste;
Versatility >= Mastery;
Critical Strike;
Strength.
You're citing the legion stat prio
fossil spindle
@hot locust you're promoted! Congrats! Last time you had a mortal rank here like me.
hot locust
I did.
old zephyr
hi All,
I will be jumping into MM with the guildies this week, how much Ilvl/shield/ whatever do I need to be okay?
west vigil
crystal night
I've been tanking heroics all day I'm 310 ilvl now and have 277 Weap and shield . Lool
Are there literally no haste/mastery shields in the game anymore ?
undone sun
few and far between, finally got a 340 one today from a M0
pliant kindle
ataldazar has one
undone sun
yup
crystal night
Ahh ok. And is bis meta for azerite prices still 1/3 thundering crash and 2/3 brace for impact ?
I was in here about. A week before launch and everyone was telling me iron fort 2/3
But saw the icy veins post today
hot locust
IF got nerfed in the last week or two of beta so it shifted a bit.
upbeat gate
ok guys i jsut wanna giveu a little review about prot warrior in my opinion ofc we can argue about this since i am a dogshit prot..
the prot warrior is super weak in my oipinion what i ve heard from others the weakest tank by far. Yet i managed to CLear Kings Rest with a GS of 310 and Green Axe/Shield ilvl 266. In every fucking else dungeon i needed to kite but with my engineering boots and the leap/charge it doable i am 336GS now cleared all dungeons with mostly LFG Plebs. So stop whining it is all makable but yes you are right Prot Warrior is super dogshit especially when every 2. mob in the dungeons are Range ones where u need to line them so they stack next to the pilalr on youand u can jsut keep lining em by runnunbg behind the pillar on %80 their casts..
halcyon totem
Whatโs best crafted shield right now? Sorry if been asked before
prisma crane
i mean, only DK and DH can force range mobs to come closer... so that whole point is fairly... pointless? That's how range mobs have always been
ionic fern
Hi, LoS is your friend regarding ranged mobs..thought everyone learned it in BRH.
ionic fern
Jeah, obv. Just took a random dungeon example from recent history in case they recently started playing
upbeat gate
@prisma crane yeah but so far never been sooo many range mobs and there is not really a chance to keep aggro on them.. and yeah thats what i said u need to line em all day long than it is getting doable
prisma crane
plenty of other instances earlier than that, hell i remember using LoS back in BC, it's a tactic we utilize and it's a powerful one if done right
but lining them is how you're supposed to handle them
i don't see the problem there
yes, DK and DH can mass grip on a short-ish CD
w/e
that's why they are so good in M+ anyways
among other reasons
we have better magic mitigation
when block is up we're near unkillable
just have to play around our strengths and try not to play it like any other tank
last hull
problem is getting others to understand los aswell. theres always that guy
prisma crane
we're also VERY sensitive to playing properly, being the proactive tanks we are
upbeat gate
there is bno problem matze i am 336 ilvl now having fun juking ppl in bgs cleared all Mythics first try totally in all dungeons we had below than deaths each so yeah i kinda made it but when i see a bear or a pala jsut going so damn mad in the mobs without having trouble im am asking why i need tr fucking tryhard with LoS and Kiting in general cuz even with 330+ gear normal mobs in 5-6 man packs can kill u
prisma crane
idk man, stomping dungeons isnt really a good way to compare tanks
and we do a LOT of dmg
not to mention you're talking about pugging, so there's so many variables there that your data is anecdotal at best
upbeat gate
thats true but i still dont understand why warriors IP SB SR and TC got nerfed so hard
prisma crane
other tanks got relatively nerfed as well
halcyon totem
Best crafted shield someone let me know !
upbeat gate
@halcyon totem sorry mate no fucking idea
prisma crane
SB goes with all other tanks AM nerf
halcyon totem
I think itโs a blue one called steel forge or something
prisma crane
IP is lame, idk what to say, but no one loves the current iteration, we have to adapt
halcyon totem
just wanted to check
upbeat gate
i think ams is still way better
prisma crane
yes it sucks it doesnt reflect all casts, but it's still better than others have
debatable
ask DKs how much they liked MoS first boss
upbeat gate
yes propably since the ams goes ways longer and also makes u immune to magical slows and dots i think ams is jsut way better
undone sun
situational
vocal nimbus
I've been playing brm (which has no pulls) and didnt had any issues with ranged mobs
prisma crane
and SR can completely... yes, COMPLETELY, stop damage, not only stop it, but send it back
halcyon totem
@raven kernel you a smart kid - whatโs the best crafted shield?
prisma crane
and 30% magic DR for 5 secs as well
last hull
just check recipes on wowhead or something, @halcyon totem ?
prisma crane
just look up a crafted shield with Haste and Vers/Mastery, it's not hard man
vocal nimbus
Look at blacksmith recipes
chilly brook
Hey really quick
vocal nimbus
About the ranged mobs, why not just stack on them ๐คท
chilly brook
How does Darkmoon Deck stack up for prot?
chilly brook
What am I looking for in said pins
vocal nimbus
The FAQ?
undone sun
yes
prisma crane
was TLDR'd
chilly brook
I glanced over it
prisma crane
^
prisma crane
nailed it
undone sun
vocal nimbus
Lick some balls
prisma crane
but i feel like i have a better chance if it's notable for a stupid reason than a good one
lol, idk about that, but options are open
vocal nimbus
20$ is 20$
prisma crane
a job's a job
chilly brook
I mean that still unfortunately doesn't tell me all that much, so is it just better to pray for a good rng drop in a Mythic dungeon until Uldir?
undone sun
that's up to you, it's a stat stick for however much it'll cost on your realm
prisma crane
"A trinket guide is to come out some time in the next couple of weeks, so please keep an eye out for it."
last hull
id rather invest in a big boy shield
undone sun
the effect isn't worth considering
prisma crane
just use what you can get and worry about other areas of your gear for now
undone sun
the trinket guide will most certainly come out before uldir
halcyon totem
Yeah I wanted a second confirmation @prisma crane
nothing wrong with that
But itโs all good
chilly brook
@prisma crane I saw that
prisma crane
trinkets have typically always been either situational or rely on being dependable, IE, not proc based
chilly brook
Basically I suppose the real question is the amount of strength it gives as a stat stick worth 200k
prisma crane
which is why stat sticks are simple go-tos
undone sun
imo no
ionic fern
Does Intervene only work on white rangeD/melee attacks?
undone sun
yes
prisma crane
if you have millions, why not, if not, spend double that and get a shield that'll do a hell of a lot more for you
halcyon totem
Block value stronk
prisma crane
yes
undone sun
there are some debuff it'll transfer over to you instead of the enemy's target, but that's pretty specific situations @ionic fern
last hull
a good shield makes you immortal
prisma crane
^ be careful doing it to an OT in raids
undone sun
off the top of my head, trillax's slash transferred if you intervened the current main tank while not being in front of the boss to be cleaved
halcyon totem
Haha wise words krotos
ionic fern
Ah, aight. Gotta test it out on stuff then.
prisma crane
PKs did
undone sun
didn't all the times i tested it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
chilly brook
Anyways appreciate the input
And last I looked that shield is going for a helluva lot more than 400k
๐
prisma crane
Yea enjoy the help. We get spoiled here compared to other class/spec discords
vocal nimbus
Who needs block value when you can have... CARDS
prisma crane
Gambit agrees
prisma crane
I never said all others ๐
vocal nimbus
Brms are nice
undone sun
druid better be nice ๐
chilly brook
So far enjoying the switch to Prot
prisma crane
They aren't hot shit anymore so they kinda have to be either nice or funny...
vocal nimbus
They should just go to hibernate for a couple.months already
undone sun
guardian has been very lax lately ๐
prisma crane
Why do you think we're all so damn hilarious
It's been a long time since EN
Though i felt solid in ABT
ionic fern
I leveld up a warrior first to piss of my m+ group cause they have heard from everywhere that warrior is shit. ๐ฏ
last hull
jokes on them when you piss on them on damage meters
lunar spade
How is the darkmoon deck for warrior tanks ? The blockades. ?
fair root
is that tank darkmoon card trinket any good for us?
vocal nimbus
๐ค
undone sun
fair root
never mind, didnt read the pins :/
sick sentinel
guys the bis trinket for us is the Alchemy stone
but is that only 300 ilvl?
or how do we increase it?
vocal nimbus
The trinket list is still a work in progress
People working on it will release it in a couple of weeks
I guess its still macro doing the job
wise canopy
Anyone tried tanking mythics yet?
wise canopy
big diffrence from HC? I went yesterday with 290 and it went fairly well
wise canopy
kinda like HC then, its not the bosses that hurts but the trash like you said
but I guess thats to be expected with the aoe stun nerf and such
restive orbit
Its really doable, went in with 290, done 6 of em
old zephyr
any of you guys tried the engineer belt shield?
sick sentinel
I think the Mythic dungs are fine, thanks for asking
And there is no ilevel requirement that I'm aware of... You can go in with 240 ilevel... But you're gonna have a bad time
old zephyr
People said they cleared with 290 earlier
old zephyr
Clear your MM, do the weekly expรฉdition for azerite
stray field
whats that
old zephyr
The thing in the boat that send you on islands to gather azerite
old zephyr
There is ร weekly thing to do for good amount of azerite
old zephyr
No idea haven't done that yet
keen fog
Hey guys i'm have troubles pulling pack of mobs in dungeon when my thunderclap doesnt hit all of them , any advices on pulling them easily
blazing dirge
Los. Ask for ranged interrupts. Pull to caster. Same as always basically
keen fog
ye but i'm mean ppl in random dungeons are going ham
as soon as for exemple you throw you weapong to pull and los everyone is already in going ham
eager geyser
Hellow, is the Warrior Tank viable and smooth ?
stray field
No problem.
blazing dirge
Let the dps die and laugh imo. Explain you Los some pulls and if they still go ham, they can tank
keen fog
ye but ppl are like wtf tank what are u doing
ember arrow
Their fault
blazing dirge
Unfortunately some people will always be dumb
keen fog
and i'm like
blazing dirge
Its a disease. No known cure
ember arrow
Bring ignorant of tactics isnt the tanks fault
ember arrow
Perfect representation of me playing tank
merry cave
Reminds me of the group I had last m+ season 6k rated warlock couldn't get the concept of Los pulls and died every pack I did it