that look overtuned to balls and back, maybe file a big report?
#protection
tiny sphinx
junior ivy
we finally di dit
well
they did it.
without me
they did all of p2 with no tank
lol
half rapids
junior ivy
at least the priest and hunter found it fun..
undone sun
idk, none of the logs i just looked at are using spell reflect correctly for me to properly know
junior ivy
I WAS USING SPELL REFLECT.
undone sun
before or after it was applied
somber dragon
gotta reflect the initial hit no?
undone sun
yes
it doesn't mitigate the damage if already applied
only reflects the initial cast
undone sun
the destructor will "cast" rapid rupture maybe 2 seconds after you engage it
junior ivy
im sure i hit it within 2 secvs of pylling..
secs*
but its hard to tell cause i was in a constant state of panic
i hate the new IP 😦
somber dragon
encouraging overhealing from healers is mildly "toxic" gameplay
junior ivy
question
how do you join in game voice chat?
like if you join an achievement raid pug
somber dragon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
junior ivy
i can never figure it out
somber dragon
on the stock UI there's a "chat channels" button on the left of the chat window?
it has a subsection "group" ? that might have it?
tiny sphinx
click on the lil mic/headphone icon
junior ivy
ok, ty
regal island
@somber dragon more like encourage healers to keep healing you when you Pop IP vs stop casting.
that's kinda what they were going for with the 50% dmg passthrough but it's still kinda spiky
mabe allowing overheals to count as healing but buffing IP shield would make it smoother.
somber dragon
i just don't see being topped off constantly in actual challenging content, regardless of what cd is rolling
regal island
with victory rush it's pretty easy
i mean not while raid tanking with a bleed/dot on you
but if you ever look at prot logs you can see the spikes in HP then the big spike in overheals directly after
somber dragon
my warr and my monk are the two tanks i'm least often topped up on, granted i'm in shit gear running shit-level stuff, but it hits me decently hard.
120 logs or 110?
regal island
i was looking at 120 but you'll notice it even more on 110 logs.
somber dragon
i was going to say, at 110, with all the magic fuckery everywhere, we aren't exactly in our happy place
and part of that is healers getting used to the way tanks take damage
junior ivy
somber dragon
good healers understand how their tanks work 😄
junior ivy
some people appreciate gnomes
somber dragon
rule 34 😄
.... what are the implications of a 15 second base cooldown for demo shout with BV and AM? 😄
lotsa revenges while leveling? 😄
signal plover
More like demo shout every GCD
somber dragon
not quite... but punish/heavy repercussions + morale killer + sword and board = not bad derps for leveling, not sure if my slightly slower pace would make warmode a huge liability or not though
(fuckin IRL job thing...)
junior ivy
whats time release on chronomatic anomoly? keeps wiping us
somber dragon
absorb applied to people, and does damage to all players in raid based on absorb remaining
junior ivy
okay thank you
somber dragon
tip: they expire simultaneously 😄
junior ivy
yeh it was an achievement run people got fed up and left
i didnt need the achievement
iwas just bored
supple pawn
SO with which legendaries are you guys gonna start leveling prot warrior?
undone sun
probably sephuz/boots/belt
supple pawn
so full mobility
tidal quarry
Darkmoon Deck: Blockades seems super underwhelming by comparison to how strong Darkmoon Deck: Immortality was =/ Sad times.
smoky wave
does make trinkets a bit more interesting again, rather than just "Buy the deck, forget about that slot" (I didn't do the high end content so never had any competition)
amber siren
I haven't looked at the trinkets myself yet but the idea of having 'weak' trinkets to produce more choice rather than simply make good trinkets imo isn't that fun. There's always going to be 'the best' trinket, just making them bad doesn't mean that there won't be 'a best'.
tidal quarry
I agree Rybie, making something shit to force you into choosing something else doesn't feel good at all.
smoky wave
I can't comment whether it's weak or not, but immortality was too strong, also removing choice. It's more fun to get a trinket drop and go through the "is the better?" process than it is to trot to the ah, buy one and not have trinkets that drop matter so much
tidal quarry
Immortality was just downright broken, I was using it on my DK tank right up until the end really, was really nice for big physical fights on tyrannical in M+
smoky wave
that's the issue. it isn't that blockades isn't good, it was that immortality was too good.
tidal quarry
I agree immortality was insane, but I just don't like the idea of having the buff that cycles increasing and decreasing your healthpool
smoky wave
yeah, that seems odd at best
tidal quarry
I quite like Lingering Sporepods from The Underrot, but then again I've found that it doesn't always go off when I need it to haha
amber siren
Well what would happen after you removed immortality then? The exact same thing, another trinket would be crowned top tier and nothing would change. Having good trinkets that have different but good effects is what you want. Having to pick out of the budget bin what has the least dents isn't a choice.
smoky wave
Yeah Rybie, but it's a more interesting process to get them than trotting to the AH and just buying it.
I agree with you, but I don'tt hink the issue is blockades, the issue was mortality. Ideally a selection trinkets of a similar level ought to be either equivilent or better depending on the situation.
junior igloo
@amber siren
First tier starts with weak trinkets, second tier introduces some more interesting decent trinkets, last tier has awesome unique overpowered effects trinket.
That way you can upgrade as the expansion moves along rather than farm the entry level content forever hoping for titanforges.
smoky wave
I've not actually looked at the trinkets yet. I've only just broke and looked at azerite talents. It'll be fun seeing what drops.
amber siren
Oh yeah for sure, first tier has always had very terrible trinkets. I just don't agree with the premise of 'weak trinkets creates more choice'.
smoky wave
sorry, trying to convey that "not having one overly strong purchasable trinket creates more interesting choices".
Equally, a selection of equally weak trinkets does create more choices, but the choices are less interesting. Really you want a selection of equally impactful trinkets to create interesting choices.
amber siren
👍
half tide
speaking about azerite talents, look them good? (especially tier 1) Which one do u think will be the best?
open folio
@sick sentinelcrafter
Hi Guys, i couldn't find any Thread or Guide mentioning
Protection-Warrior vs Warmode <<<
so to say i play ONLY Prot and I'd like to lvl with Warmode on (as I'm from a PvP-Server) but at the moment i'm just a honor-sourrce for any Caster-/Magic-Burst-DPS-Class. And i think it's getting worse the moment the legendaries aren't longer usable.
smoky wave
I've not found anything that's worked the whole of legion. not had much luck since.
If you want a massive giggle dragon charge + triple heroic leap gets you out of virtually everything. Bonus points if you can charge yourself off a cliff!
jade tartan
We leveling as prot boys?
amber siren
@open folio I wouldn't tag everyone in the theroycrafting role for a PVP question. There's a PVP tab for you to use.
open folio
normaly if asking in pvp-sections the answer is: play arms/fury...
so i asked in prot directly ...
noone is talking about prot pvp anywhere XD
fiery pendant
good luck lol
plucky night
if you level start to finish the first day you won't see any pvp
vocal nimbus
About leveling with war mode enabled, i suppose that if you stick to your faction's starting island you wlnt have any problems
plucky night
I'd wager that tagging theory crafter role is just gonna annoy people who may or may not care about pvp, etc
cedar flax
Hi everyone! Do we have target metrics for shield block uptime in prepatch raid situations? I haven't found a whole lot. I'm seeing people in this thread talking 30% -40% but dont know if that is "good" with the new CD changes.
rustic cypress
it's not as much "keep it up for x% of the fight" as "keep it up when the big, blockable attacks are about to hit you"
copper cedar
And then we get Krosus/Star Augur 2.0 :X
cedar flax
Sure... I agree we should "block the big hits" but I guess I was hoping that people were starting to see some kind of consistent uptimes that can measure improvement against. I find myself struggling to adjust to IP being on the GCD and am looking for some measure of improvement. I am seeing 41% SB and 50% IP but, without a frame of reference, I dont know if that is on track.
rustic cypress
I am sure such values exist, although I don't know them
not the most experienced warrior myself
cedar flax
That's fair.
junior igloo
@cedar flax
We don't actively generate any resource that would allow for higher Shield Block up-time (unless you play Heavy Repercussions which isn't ideal). The up-time is just 6/18 * haste With 20 % haste, it's 6/18 * 1.2 = 0.4 (40 %) There isn't anything you can really do to improve it and it's not that hard to always hit close to maximum up-time (just don't sit on maximum charges without using it for too long).
What matters is timing SB (and other cooldowns) so they mitigate the most damage/the dangerous parts of the encounter.
smoky wave
@junior igloo thanks for that. Really nicely explained.
cedar flax
Cool. Thanks @junior igloo . So basically so long as I am ot sitting on charges, it just kinda is what it is.
cosmic cargo
you though work on the effective uptime on taunt swap bosses
robust urchin
"The “problem” is that Protection, compared to other tanks specs, is that it’s generally unforgiving, making it the general perception that the spec is weak. When played well, that’s simply not the case. Now, we’re not saying that Protection is necessarily on equal footing with the traditionally “flavor of the month” tank specs (i.e. DKs and DHs), but the spec is absolutely not bad by any means whatsoever."
😂
I understand what the sentence tries to say but it just sounds like damage control
somber dragon
i mean, isn't that what tanking is all about 🤔
amber siren
Doesn't sound like damage control? Fotm or not, monk stagger is amazing and DH self healing/dmg continues to be just as strong
west pelican
@robust urchin where was that posted and by whom?
robust urchin
It's from the wowhead prot review
west pelican
ah, thanks
robust urchin
And basically by people in this disc
west pelican
got it 😃 Thanks
smoky wave
It renewed my hope in prot, but I highly suspect I'll get pressured into my bdk for m+ again
ionic fern
Are you actually doing high enough keys for when the difference starts to show? 🤔
My m+ team is pushing me into BDK/VDH but i told them to fuck off and i'm gonna start with Warrior/Pally ..if we get high enough where my tank class choice becomes the problem i'll swap to smth else. 🤷
smoky wave
Nah, but I either just aren't very good at prot any more or don't play enough to get good enough compared to e-z mode 😦
but I have hope now.
primal crypt
Prot is very unforgiving when you're in progression content
Especially if you don't know what's about to hit you
Prot requires you to be proactive not reactive
Meaning you need to know dungeon/raid mechanics before charging in
ionic fern
Having beta + multiple dungeon guides + weeks to practice them before m+ becomes a thing should be enough time
final mist
If you're in a hard progression guild, you should know all that going in, or at least have a boss mod telling you what's about to hit you.
west pelican
I don't really buy the whole "it's only an issue at the absolute top". Advantage is advantage and easier is easier no matter how you look at it. Let's just say that your M+ team is only "skilled/geared enough" for a 10+, then you might be able to do 11+ with fotm class and a 9+ with trash spec.
primal crypt
@west pelican I don't disagree with you there
somber dragon
warrior tank has a higher skill floor, but it isn't going to be huge advantages, even the self-healing classes aren't pumping enough HPS for "self-sustain" by any means under normal circumstances right now.
primal crypt
Fotm definitely gives an advantage, otherwise bdk wouldn't have taken the MDI by a storm
west pelican
Whether or not it MATTERS at lower levels though is another discussion
smoky wave
Pretty much why I ended up on bdk. Was just easier for the time we played. I got far further far easier using it. Praying it won't end up the same. It's not even how good either are, it's the utility that bugs me.
tight tree
I am fine with being unforgiving but in return, i want way better than average results when you do it right
primal crypt
@tight tree being able to bring a mob to you is wayyyy better than getting yourself to a mob quicker
junior igloo
As you said, @west pelican, if you are a player doing 20+, class doesn't matter when you are doing +6.
If you are a player for whom the +6 is the limit, it matters.
In other words - it depends on content that's relevant fo you.
primal crypt
Especially in M+
west pelican
@junior igloo exactly.
tight tree
@primal crypt Yes, but if we lack that utility, i want to take way less damage than DK from that mob instead. Compensate.
primal crypt
Yeah, i feel you on that one
ionic fern
You do take a lot less damage than a DK tho. 🤷
tight tree
Weak in one aspect strong in another i am fine with. I am not fine when i am weak in one aspect and bad to average in another even if played good
west pelican
Seems your definition of a lot differs 😛
ionic fern
Everyones definition of "a lot" differs.
tight tree
That is not the case, i am no better at facetanking than DK
smoky wave
so, given we've established the high skill ceiling, how do you go about working out how to be better? There's tracking SB uptime (40% theoretical max? but more important is when it's used), but what's the best way for me to maximise/analyse improvement?
kind urchin
I've nwver had a problem getting mobs grouped up and in position on a warrior. Is it easier on dk... Sure, not that important though.
primal crypt
@smoky wave CD management
Don't be scared to use your big CDs
They come back so fast
tight tree
"A lot" in this context means amount considerable enough to take it into account when choosing tank
smoky wave
When was last stand a 6min cd? Cos it's still stuck in my head.
strong forum
with bolster you can have 40sec of consecutive AM
primal crypt
@smoky wave LOLOL
That was literally my biggest issue, i saved LS and SW for oh shit moments only
west pelican
@smoky wave Learn the content well, know when to use things preemptively. And also, I've made some nice WA's for myself to easily keep track of Last Stand, Demo Shout, Shield Block and Shield Wall uptimes to make sure I'm not double dipping in the mitigation sauce.
kind urchin
How about when shield wall was a 30 min cd.
primal crypt
Yeah now you run the possibility of burning a SB
tight tree
It is fun to weave CDs in constantly atm 😉
smoky wave
@west pelican they online anywhere?
west pelican
Ehm, no, sadly. I can export and send you a DM when I get home if you want.
but it's just basic bars tracking buffs
easy to make 😃
primal crypt
Oh you know what's really annoying....we don't have a ranged interrupt
I wish they would give us one of those
smoky wave
old hc throw please
primal crypt
Throwing weapon or something
west pelican
@primal crypt yes, heroic throw could do that 😃
primal crypt
Yeah
west pelican
if it interrupts, it triggers a longer CD or something
that would be fun to use as well
primal crypt
Because.....all other tanks can interrupt that mob I sanguine
I cannot
Incoming forum post
smoky wave
@west pelican if you remember I'd be grateful, if you forgot don't worry about it
kind urchin
Well, we could but it'll hurt.
junior igloo
What we should get is dual wielding shields
west pelican
hahahaha @junior igloo
junior igloo
😄
primal crypt
Walking around with car doors
strong forum
fury is ridiculous as it is , plz no double shield
primal crypt
Horrible transmogs
west pelican
Honestly, why not give warr a mass taunt. Fits the class fantasy great. 2 min cd or something.
primal crypt
Mass taunt isnt necessary anymore though
plucky night
War has enough buttons
strong forum
its not necessary no, but would still be somewhat nice
kind urchin
It was called challenging shout. It used to be a thing.
primal crypt
Yup
And mocking blow
And banner
Uh....mocking banner?
I can't remember the taunt banner
We had a lot of taunts lol
kind urchin
And cleave/heroic strike. Both on next melee so one was for aoe the other for st.
primal crypt
They should give us new shouts
primal crypt
Death strike shout, death grip shout, sigil of chain shout, etc.
kind urchin
And thunderclap only hit 4 targets.
robust urchin
Thunderclap should have a 100yard radius
kind urchin
And demo shout was a 2 min debuff that reduced damage they deal not just to you.
primal crypt
@robust urchin oh you want to pull the last boss of the dungeon with the first pack
Sounds legit fam
:rebruxU:
Rip
kind urchin
Thunderclap "Iwin" button.
robust urchin
👌
strong forum
pull entire dungeon with 1 tclap
primal crypt
Lol
primal crypt
Thunderclaps....shield wall is up, heal me
robust urchin
Prot should have an hidden aura
smoky wave
would guarantee the three mobs for the shockwave talent at least.
robust urchin
That when they enter a 20+m all the trash starts laughing hysterically and be stunned for 10 minutes
kind urchin
I do miss defensive stats. And weapon skill.
robust urchin
I absolutely loved weapon skills
smoky wave
I miss stance dancing
sick sentinel
^
robust urchin
I miss Heroic Strike
sick sentinel
100% yes
robust urchin
😭
smoky wave
well, no, I don't really, but was fun at the height of my playtime and it felt like I was playing a piano one handed.
kind urchin
The main thing I miss about the defensive stats is that you had choices in gearing.
The main thing I miss about the defensive stats is that you had choices in gearing.
The main thing I miss about the defensive stats is that you had choices in gearing.
sick sentinel
kind urchin
Wifi said screw you I'm gonna fail and resend 3 times
robust urchin
Websites dead Jim
robust urchin
I miss expertise and hit chance
sick sentinel
I miss being the only tank
kind urchin
The choice between eh and avoidance is what I miss.
smoky wave
running joke in the house is the nature resist leather gloves my wife helped me utterly fail to get in vanilla dropping everytime I do the spider boss in rfk
sick sentinel
i loved when i had a full avoidance gear and a full mitigation one
kind urchin
Me too.
sick sentinel
stacking sunder was boring tho
kind urchin
I wouldn't mind devastate applying it again.
robust urchin
Remember that time where you had to sunder up
And then use devastate to not let it fall off
kind urchin
Yup
robust urchin
And basically not use sunder again for the fight
Wiers times
Remember when we were the only one to tank the last boss of a raid tier
I member
robust urchin
Same
Smelly druids and dka took our jobs
Remember when a druid or paladin wanted to tank a boss
😂
kind urchin
Remember in tbc when pallys thought they could tank... Then Illidan happened.
robust urchin
Remember when blizzard had the genius idea to let casters tank specific bosses
kind urchin
Or mage tank on council.
tight tree
We had warlock tank Anub-Arak heroic in trial of the crusader 😉
Just for lols
wait heroic was what mythic now
normal then
or was it?
spare token
I want to try tanking in BfA and I've come down to warr and pala. Does anyone know any major differences between them? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask
kind urchin
They're both solid. Depends on which playstyle you like more.
uneven mason
Do you like sounding like a heavy metal album and smashing things with a car door while taking godlike punches and mitigating them down to nothing, or do you like sounding like a disney on ice windchime performance while holding your shield up and making a glowy bubble so the bad guys don't hurt your haircut.
spare token
I got some opinions on the pala discord too and people were saying that warrior abilities cost too much for how little the effect is
I've never played any of them before so I don't know if that's true or not
kind urchin
Pallys are a little more forgiving of a mistake if you don't die because they can heal themselves. Warriors are definitely more unforgiving of mistakes.
uneven mason
Warrior is a fully proactive playstyle, you have to know the fights and where the damage is coming from, our main strength is the fact that we have a lot of big/semi-big CDs and can have one up 90~% of the time
Paladin is both proactive (Shield of the Righteous) and Reactive (Hand of hte Protector) They can recover from istakes easier than a warrior, but take more overall damage up front.
Warriors have a smaller Health pool, but higher base mitigation, our critical block means we can reduce damage down to splinters.
outside of a RNG Talent, warriors are stonger vs magic "tank busters" than any other tank.
But regular fast magic damage we have very little way to deal with.
spare token
Does warrior ever struggle with rage management? Is there points where you need to poo a defensive and can't because you don't have enough rage? And since you said that paladins can recover from mistakes would that be better for me as a new tank? Or will it not make that much of a difference if I learn what to do anyways
Pop* lok
uneven mason
poo works
spare token
Fucking auto-correct
uneven mason
So, Rage management is somewhat of a new beast to a lot of folks who "dabbled" in Prot warrior in Legion.
for the last 2 tiers we had near infinite rage
meaning we could pump 6000RPM into Ignore pain
it was an oddity really for the playstyle, but it made us exceptionally strong.
We have to actually acknowledge that rage is a resource in BFA, we're not starving, far from it in active combat, but folks who did not main prot and got used to that Ocean of rage we had in TOS/ABT got scared off by it
We have a lot of rage TBH
More than enough to do what we need to do
but blowing rage on needless stuff (like non free revenges, or spamming IP) is going to get you wrecked
untold adder
just dont missclick revenge and rage-starve your self when it matters the most
uneven mason
IE - Unlike paladins, we have a resource
and its important
but once yo uget used to the flow, its 2nd nature to always have enough for a SB or IP sitting on deck
You have the benefit of NOT having experienced the godlike amount of rage we had in Legion
so you won't have any bad habits to break
For us old hands though, this is far more the style of Prot that we were used to in days past.
Also, warriors have the highest AE burst of all tanks
we crush DPS
kind urchin
This is true.
kind urchin
Its crazy insane
uneven mason
Paladin AE is probably easier to set up
but Warrior, once we get our stuff going, mobs melt
in droves
hearty sphinx
Well the question is : are u focusing raid or mm+
spare token
So an extremely basic description of warrior tanking is keep shield block up as much as possible and save SW and IP for big inc dmg?
hearty sphinx
if mm+ go pala
uneven mason
Paladin brings more situational utility to M+
spare token
Both
uneven mason
Warriors have more general utility
Keep shield block up when you need to be blocking attacks
spare token
Plan to tank mythic raid and high keys, talking to my guild about getting me a tanking spot rn
uneven mason
mastering effective SB uptime is the real key to basic warrior tanking yeah.
IP is your primary rage dump
if you're going to cap rage, use IP
if you're taking a lot of regular damage, use IP
If you're going to get blasted by a Kamehameha, use DS / IP+SR
kind urchin
Just remember. The tank you pick is less important than learning the tank and playing it well.
uneven mason
^^
Being good at a tank is going to take you farther than whatever is "better"
and you're more likely to master something you enjoy playing
spare token
Yeah that makes sense :D Thanks for all the input guys, really appreciate it. Gonna make a cup of coffee and decide what to play
Hopefully I make the right choice
kind urchin
Good luck with whatever you pick.
heavy isle
Either is viable, so really can't make a wrong decision.
kind urchin
There is no wrong choice.
kind urchin
I play all 6.
signal plover
Gnomes are the wrong choice
smoky wave
we had a gnome warrior in molten core in vanilla. We used to give him the biggest things to tank for the entertainment. Definitely not the worst choice.
kind urchin
Don't tell cat that gnomes are the wrong choice. Might make a sad cat.
uneven mason
Gnome Warrior OP in Vanilla, world enlarger + Gnome = untargetable killing machine
my first WSG on my resto shaman I just up and died one time, looked at my damage taken and "Fahtzipur" had Executed me
never saw him
happened 3x before I noticed how tiny he was, totally got lost in the shuffle.
tight tree
can just use nameplates really 🤣
half merlin
what's the verdict on Indomitable vs Never Surrender for bfa? if we forget about Bolster that is
kind urchin
Wasn't really a thing in Vanilla
tight tree
@spare token For new player i'd recommend paladin, only play warrior if you really love warrior for being warrior.
untold adder
we dont forget about bolster tho
tight tree
Wait, there was no nameplates in vanilla?
half merlin
just for arguments sake @untold adder
main vault
What's the verdict between two shit talents if we forget the one good talent?
half merlin
fair
uneven mason
So, Braggha - Nameplanes scaled with model size, his nameplate was about 4px wide.
I was a Tauren
so Yeah hah!
@half merlin Indomitable has a use (Regular effective non blockable damage), Never Surrender does not
kind urchin
Turn nameplate on for raggy so you can see him right
tight tree
@uneven mason Oh i see. I started in TBC, nameplates was same size then already 😉
Bloodthirsty axe midgets took a hit that day
uneven mason
So to expand on that vnL - Never Surrender has a slight delay before it takes effect, it doesn't work retroactively (It won't buff your active IP) So you basically have to be at -2% before you get the full 100% Bonus on it, which is why NS is nominated for worst talen design ever.
They actually added a "minimum size" to models some time in vanilla or TBC I can't remember
tight tree
And they still did not changed it
uneven mason
Their mentality for tank talents has almost always been "They have a meta, no need to buff other talents"
tight tree
I guess just no time/resources for it really, they have to push other stuff fast, like selfie cameras or another mount recolors
Important things you know
kind urchin
You guys remember the shield slam spec in tbc I think. Could have been wrath.
half merlin
im just stuck on the wording of never surrender, really. up to 100% based on missing health, meaning what exactly? i take a hit for 40% of my hp, how much more will my IP give me next time i press that sweet button?
kind urchin
I think wrath because there was a screenshot contest for it on tankspot.
Means if you're dead it increases by 100%. Meaning it goes from pathetic amount of absorb to slightly less pathetic absorb.
uneven mason
vnL it is literally an inverse scale based on your misisng health
missing 40% health - IP is increased by 40%
It doesn't calculate real time though, there is like a ~2s delay
before it can actually affect your IP
half merlin
gotcha
uneven mason
So to get 100% you'd have to be at 0%
untold adder
so if im dead 2 sec after i active IP i get 100% ?`
uneven mason
Yes
untold adder
very good
uneven mason
Hence why NS is the most useless talent ever
esp with how little effective mitigation IP provides now.
And to clear something up, Indomitable isn't a "Bad" talent, its 1. Just boring, 2. Up against a demigod of usefullness in Bolster.\
Like that is the prot tree in a nutshell - is this talent bad? Not in a vacuum, but in contrast to the other talents on the tier its "much less good"
kind urchin
Has anyone done the math to show how much more eh bolster gives in a long term fight? Physical of course becauseagic based indom would win.
uneven mason
Indom might not win in Magic based
kind urchin
Because magic*
uneven mason
depends on how regular the magic is
regular fast magic damage, Indom is probably "good", Last stand being on a 2min CD means you get 30% health 1/8th of the time with a 30% burst heal, the blocking is like 2 cakes worth of icing
Burst magic damage - Bolster still wins
But Bolsters big thing is that it synergizes with Anger Management
kind urchin
Right. Forgot about the cd reduction
uneven mason
which just explodes the value of nearly every other meta talent
half merlin
is NS a retroactive talent or a proactive one when you think about it? 🛒
kind urchin
It should just be deleted tbh
uneven mason
So if you're looking at NS in a vacuum its still rather weak, IP is intended to smooth damage out, but isn't strong enough to in itself stop you from dying
even buffed by 100% IP still has a "cap" on how much it can absorb which is a seperate value than the absorb itself
50% of the hit, having a larger IP means you're still going to take 50% of that hit
you might just have IP left over for 3 or 4 hits rather than 1/2
Case being - even fully buffed by NS you're still going to die, because IP isn't a total absorb
half merlin
thanks for clarifications. 👍
dapper sky
Does LS cause you to go full health then rebalance? Every time I use it low, my health shoots up to full then drops back down to where I would think it should go.
All in like .5 seconds.
uneven mason
It heals you before it buffs your HP
the heal hits (30/60% of your current health) then the 30% increase comes in
dapper sky
Gotcha. That makes sense.
tawny panther
Wouldn't that mean if you used it max health you are at say 80% when you were 100% before
uneven mason
but that is why you're seeing it do that odd bounce.
No, ok so, it heals you for that 30%, then increases the health relative to your current %
tawny panther
Gotcha
uneven mason
its supposed to happen at the same time
and it does tehcnically, its just that some UIs will have a delay in displaying it.
so if you're at 80% you'll be at 80%
but iwth a bigger pool
uneven mason
In effect yes, however in BFA they made a shift from "Increases current and maximum Health by 30%" to "Increases your maximum health by 30% and heals you for that amount"
empty nacelle
which addons do you guys use for mission tables?
uneven mason
Order Hall Commnader
empty nacelle
thanks
uneven mason
So Agro - Last Stand heals, (the health doesn't fade after the buff goes away) and that heal can crit.
dapper sky
Ah gotcha. Was wondering why it was worded that way.
jade tartan
Quick question for Beta players. Do you guys know if at the end of each zone we have a Dungeon quest - Just like Legion did ?
dapper sky
So another question for anyone here. I'm between playing Warrior and DK for mythic progression. DK feels a little slow in general whereas Warrior doesn't seem to have the greatest ST rage generation. I can play around both issues but was curious on your guys' take between the two.
empty nacelle
@jade tartan yes
jade tartan
Thanks @empty nacelle !
uneven mason
Agro - Warriors ST Rage gen is more or less fine, we could probably use a bit of a boost, but for the most part you won't rage starve unless you're doing something "wrong" Playing a warrior is 100% Proactive, you plan ahead what you're going to need and budget for it, CD usage, SB use, rage for IP, etc. And if you mean slow as in movement slow, yes DKs are notorious for being the lowest mobility tank, slow playstyle wise, all tanks are fairly slow paced now, BDK just doesn't suffer from being GCD locked like warriors (you will have gaps with noting to press on a BDK)
dapper sky
Yeah I'm a bit of a spammer (years of playing caster dps) so a play style like devastator and BDK feels odd to me. How do you think Warrior will stack up in m+. I've watched quite a few videos and it seems the biggest downside to warrior in dungeons is the lack of self sustain. Obviously DK will probably be very strong again in that regard. Do you think Warrior will be gimped when pushing high keys?
uneven mason
Devastator bad
if you use Devastator you'll rage starve for sure
Also, Warriors will be fine for high keys.
Our massive mitigation advantage more than makes up for the BDKs self healing (they can't self sustain anymore, none of the tanks can)
Basically right now - all tanks are really close, the outliers are going to be where situational utility comes into play that makes or breaks a meta.
regal island
yeah our dps feels pretty good to.
dapper sky
Yeah I crush all our other tanks dps in both ST and AoE. Other than maybe the veng DH
regal island
yeah i was murdering dps in a fun heroic abt run last night on pretty much every trash pack
granted i was running glaives & hagards but still
uneven mason
Avatar with UF + Booming Voice and the TC azerite traits means we melt large packs
But overall
it comes down to what you're more comfortable playing
Obviously BDK will have an advantage in speed runs due to Gorefiends being better for grouping packs up, but its less important right now than it was in legion (and weaker too)
But unless you're looking at being MDI level, it honestly won't matter.
dapper sky
Yeah okay. I've been leaning towards warrior so I think I'll just go with that, plus fury feels great.
regal island
Only plate class my hightotem gets is warrior so going with that. Stacking all the mit i can on a mit tank feels good.
14 sythe stacks on h argus at ilvl 220 feels nuts. When my 240 bear gets gibbed at like 7
regal island
i did notice i cant cast IP while bladestorming though, kinda annoyed about that but it didn't really matter
uneven mason
🤢 Because Protection doesn't have Bladestorm and Arms and Fury don't have IP?
dapper sky
🤔
regal island
hargals fav trinket uses "bladestorm" it allows all defensive's to be cast but IP isn't counted. But it actually uses the bladestorm spell id etc, I've noticed it even counts as a "warrior ability" for the purpose of fury mastery/ reck
uneven mason
Oh hah I forgot that was a thing, yeah it literally casts "bladestorm" not sure I'd ever use it though.
obsidian granite
So is it worth taking Vengeance over Devastator in most situations or will we wind up swapping back to Devastator at 120?
wild atlas
Booming Voice
wide juniper
BV gachiBASS
regal island
yeah booming voice is just amazeballs. 20% dr, 40 rage and 15% more dmg?
45 sec cd reduced by spending rage... yeah no contest.
Since they are brining back class buffs. Kinda wish warrior would get sunder back instead of dev.
hearty sphinx
impossible
wild atlas
Back in my day
uneven mason
It would give Devastate a purpose beyond "Well I'm not doing anything else, might as well fish for SS"
wild atlas
We didn’t need devastate because we had devastator
uneven mason
You're a youngin than
wild atlas
Lol
wide juniper
Me when mashing dev, "please proc please proc please proc please proc please proc please proc please proc "
uneven mason
that was what, 2.5 tiers of content that Devastator was a thing?
uneven mason
If you're pressing devastate more than once every 6 - 10 GCDs something is borked bro.
wide juniper
Right, I don't spam the ability, but that button gets hit a bunch.
regal island
I'd prefer if it generated rage but had a change to proc a free SS that did not generate rage.
Little less rage RNG
wide juniper
I press buttons in anticipation of them coming up while still on CD.
Gotta wear the buttons down.
regal island
mousewheel bro
wide juniper
Mousewheel is a dif ability
wild atlas
All I know is...
wide juniper
Gross.
wild atlas
If you’re not clicking from your spell book, you need to git gud
uneven mason
mine is ctrl + Revenge button
wild atlas
2018 you need Battle Shout into your rotation too
uneven mason
which is uh...#5 on my HexV2
wide juniper
lol
using the naga, not the hex v
which I enjoy a bunch
Took some work to learn how to use a few of the buttons in the middle
kind urchin
I use an orbweaver. So 1-4 are short cd defensives and am. 5-8 are main offense rotation.
wide juniper
Some thumb training
wild atlas
I have it bound to my Roll Left on the tracker ball
wide juniper
I like talking binds because I get good ideas. 😃
wild atlas
Sorry I’m done. The troll show is over
coral dew
Does anyone with some beta experience know how exactly the azerite trait Brace for Impact works? It says "multiple applications may overlap". Does that mean whenever you shield slam, the block and shield slam damage effect stack as well as refresh the buff duration?
uneven mason
it overlaps, like, you get 1 charge which has 9 seconds duration, 3 seconds in you get another stack, 6 seconds into the 2nd stack, the first stacks duration ends, so you go back to 3 seconds remaining on the 2nd stack
so it will stack, but each stack has its own duration
coral dew
Okay I see, and while they overlap, the damage and block effects stack?
cosmic cargo
yes
coral dew
Makes sense, ty
sick sentinel
I was hopeful for a few tweaks with these latest tuning hotfixes. I don’t think any tanks were touched
wide juniper
🍿
kind urchin
Working as intended. No need for changes.
kind urchin
Warrior nerf incoming... We're too stronk.
dapper copper
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like theyre going to struggle with prot warrior rotation/mitigation once they drop their T21 bonuses
kind urchin
Same
cosmic cargo
warrior is in a safe spot atm for raiding
kind urchin
Plus after 8.0 dropped I stopped wearing it.
cosmic cargo
good enough to not hinder your progress, not good enough to get smashed by nerfs
monk for example is most likely getting nerfed
strong forum
our dmg will see some nerfs
regal island
class nerfs will come right before new races are "released" like usual
strong forum
unless thats our niché / compensation
regal island
nerfed DH make a Zalandari warrior instead etc.
wild atlas
Just a PSA, if you’re expecting/hoping to see “IP removed from GCD,” then don’t hold your breath 😂
uneven mason
there isnt anything on the warrior T21 that complicates the rotation?
strong forum
its the "i dont take a lotta damage LUL" part
uneven mason
yeah
void quail
Do you guys think he heal on this will be worth using at level 120? Right now it feels like an instant full heal in M+ that persists for 10 seconds.
uneven mason
There is that, but I mean, even without the set bonus I wasn't casting IP a whole lot heh
strong forum
will be downscaled 100%
uneven mason
Trinkets are deactivated at 120
void quail
Ah okay thanks 😃
regal island
IP honestly just feels like a rage dump
uneven mason
That is the intended purpose
regal island
and not a good one
uneven mason
its a small mitigation bump to smooth incoming damage, or to help with magic damage, and spends a lot of rage in one shot
which synergizes with AM
wide juniper
Yes
regal island
5k shield at ilvl 220 is pretty much nothing lol, but it's better than rage capping.
prot spenders are meh besides sheild block
solid sun
But the CD's your reducing via IP is a big deal
wide juniper
Big spenders are good with am
uneven mason
🤔 5k shield = ~15% of your health not nothing.
wide juniper
reduce the CDs of Ava and DS
uneven mason
at 220 ilvl unless you're stacking stam (don't do that) you have around 35k health
wide juniper
makes ip fun
uneven mason
so a 5k shield isn't nothing *shrug
strong forum
that sounds wrong
uneven mason
funny because at 240 I have less than that.
uneven mason
probably indom and Stam trinkets
strong forum
ugh indom
uneven mason
RIP
strong forum
yea
regal island
nvm logged in my fury
but yeah same exact gear barring wep and i'm at like 44k
was using indom though
wide juniper
🤢
strong forum
indom in 2018 LUL
and also using best served cold
dude what you been reading
2 of the strongest talents completely missed
uneven mason
I FOUND THE NOXXIC USER
strong forum
thats what you wanna use, mind the pvp ones
slate obsidian
anyome knows if hyrjas spear is affected by avoidance?
strong forum
wont matter in 3 days OpieOP
jade tartan
Do you guys think Blacksmith can be a viable profession on BFA? Since we can actually craft raiding gear.
Thing is.. they become obsolete as soon as the next tier drops..
ember arrow
Thats like saying flasks become useless when next expansion comes out
jade tartan
Its not actually.
strong forum
kinda is though
jade tartan
Would you rather buy a PC that you'll need to replace 10 years later
or one that you'll replace 1y after?
Is it the same for you?
You must swim in cash then.
strong forum
all professions are viable
depends solely on what you wanna do
cooking and alchemy will always be the most proficient since they dont bring out new food / flasks but thats about it
uneven mason
I'm sure blacksmiths will have an item that makes them money......through the expansion
until they make it so its no longer needed (thanks flying)
Jewelcrafting week 1 money
5% XP gems
omnomnom
regal island
everyone is going to flood the market with inscription/ach so i'd probably avoid that
Just gonna stick with engineering myself. freebie 340 helm, gliders, battle res, usual random fun stuff
uneven mason
I forgot about bres
erm
its not a bres tho
its a out of combat res
I remember hunters being able to do the /feign jumpers thing
shut summit
regal island
Idk why people hate on indom. There was a paper on HP vs MIT that explained how stacking more HP at a certian point was more valuable than adding more mitigation.
ember arrow
Marok wrote that
uneven mason
Like I said earlier, Indom isn't "Bad" Bolster is just that good.
ember arrow
Idk where the doc is
uneven mason
its on Skyhold.gg
stark sage
a big part of it is AM is OP
uneven mason
yup
stark sage
and you want as many CDs reduced by AM as possible
uneven mason
Its the synergy
and Bolster (which reduces LS cd by 33% off the top) just makes the reduction from AM even stronger
that and a 15s window of 100% block chance is just hnnggggg
regal island
Idk about that tbh, Bolster is a BAMF cd no argueing that +30% HP and auto block. But indom has 100% uptime. I think of it as just trading healer mana to have a 10% HP shield.
uneven mason
Balsaq has some napkin math that says that Indom and Boslter are in a vacuum approximately equal
ember arrow
I want real math
stark sage
there is real math, they are within like 1% EHP of each other if you dont include AM
uneven mason
But Indom does nothing with AM
while Bolster is exponentially enhanced by it.
and since Bolster "Plugs into" AM that means it has synergy with BV, and ITF and UF
wild atlas
Don’t forget to carry the 7
uneven mason
I think the enginerring helm is an azerite piece?
jade tartan
Oh really?
regal island
yeah it has some eng specal az stuff only eng got
jade tartan
n1
regal island
some interesting tank traits
a 1 min huge shield buff and another like full heal buff that removes bleeds
which if blizz is making special eng az traits odds are it will be upgradable past ilvl 340
regal island
if mythic 0 drop 350 i might be better off to just pick the one from Freehold though
sick sentinel
W/ AM, BV/Demo etc
regal island
that has Crash so argueably better
strong forum
m0 drops 340 azerite
and from m+ you can only get azerite gear from the weekly chest
regal island
ah so i mean even the eng helm barely saves you some farming for what would be a better helm anyways
hm so dumb question here but rares would become epics in mythic 0 still right? if yes do the az pieces get 3 traits then?
nvm looks like they do get 3. wear i read somewhere that the lower pieces would only get 2 traits.
plain vapor
only noticed the other day but 4pc is hilariously broken on aggamar
just non stop melee hits to build up that ignore pain
fun while it lasted
strong forum
the blue azerite pieces only have 2 traits + 1 upgrade
epics have 3 traits + 1 upgrade
would be interesting to see 5 trait pieces later on in the expac
sick sentinel
there should me more traits and features with azerite along the way just like artifacts
otherwise they should come up with one interesting trait after another because 4 traits will become boring after a while same playstyle all xpac
uneven mason
Well, with what they said during the beta Q&A, that may very well be their approach.
To make a baseline, and not have any funky changes throughout the expansion, means they can spend less time worrying about rebalancing each time the item designers sneeze
sick sentinel
legion was fun with different tier sets and legendary combos you could have entire xpac hope they will somehow make gameplay bit different every tier
uneven mason
Fun is relative I guess
sick sentinel
you could even combo different tier sets which is great
uneven mason
I also gathered that their goal is to make gameplay vary by having the encounters vary
if they know how all the specs work without adding variables to the mix, they can make encounters more engaging
at least, thats my opinion
regal island
You know i honestly miss the resist sets
sick sentinel
yeah thats another way of making gameplay different
regal island
entire guilds crafting stuff together to get everyone in resist gear really gave the game some setup time before just login, get pots/flask and raid
uneven mason
Ugh, yeah, my main tank during SSC progression took off with our Frost and Nature plate set we had made for him 2 weeks earlier
sick sentinel
i think "if it aint broke dont fix it"wont ever work in game such as world of warcraft people will want gameplay changes one way or another
uneven mason
night before reset whole guild logged on and farmed enough mats for 2 sets of each,
sick sentinel
i liked legion cause of that good content and good raids except NH PS:fuck nighthold
regal island
apparently resists still work in legion
idk about bfa
but there were a lot of resist items that actually still functioned vs that damage type.
which with the new dungeon manual on boss abilities i'd think adding damage "type" there and brining back resist gear would be fun and add some complexity to raids vs "link aotc"
uneven mason
I think it was left behind because it creates an artificial barrier to raiding
plush notch
Hello, i'm wondering why we should delay DS for Avatar ? cf icy veins ?
regal island
i'd prefer a crafting gate to a rep gate i guess
uneven mason
I prefer a skill gate
regal island
seems like since they removed that stuff crafting is just kinda second tier useless junk
regal island
maybe there's a lot more LFR wow casuals than i think
uneven mason
Each TS has some usful stuff, just not nessisarily "endgame" useful
there is
Put this in perspective, only ~4% of accounts cleared Mythic ABT
regal island
seems like a waste of money designing mythic content then to accommodate 4%
remote thunder
mythic raids adds value beyond the 4% actually participating
ember arrow
where you put out games to accomodate the lowest comon denominator, and shit out same ... shit.. every year
remote thunder
still
uneven mason
Battlefront/Call of Duty etc..
ember arrow
regardless, "i dont like it/its only played by minority therefore its pointless"
is very bad way of thinking as a gamer
for the gaming industry
uneven mason
They produce low iq content that is identical year after year. WOW is an Esport platform, raiding is a competitive aspect, it brings in A L O T of money
ember arrow
divinity original sin is funded by kickstarter, yet is 100 times more complex than any game
pty much every possible choice is donsidered
not the garbage guiding in a linear path
thats the kind of games we need more of
its not bought nearly as much as cod/BF, but its good that it exists
i had alot of times where i was like "wow they thought of that"
just as i was about to joke aboutsomething
oh im being offtopic, well back to the state of prot in bfa
uneven mason
So yeah, speaking of things that everyone can participate in, warrior tanking is not it.
Trying to convince a few elemental shamans to join me for M0 spamming next week ><
rather trying to convince shamsn in my guild to go elemental (shields)
finding a 5man team to farm shields that first week
Holy paladin is a shoe in
ember arrow
elemental has no shields
or has it
oh nvm
the ranged spec has the shield
makes sense
ember arrow
they should let you set loot spec beforestarting m+
i think its unfair u need addons to change it mid run
too complicated
uneven mason
I got it..I just decided it wasn't quite preach level
Changing loot spec mid run, COMPLEXITY
jovial smelt
Is warrior the best tank in BFA?
jovial smelt
I believe nothing
Just gathering opinions cause I’m super confused about what tank to chose
vivid sage
Will I be able to clear most of heroic uldir using a warrior tank
raven kernel
warrior is a good pick if you're doing M+ and Raid as tank
jovial smelt
What about early mythic progress? I mean, HC is doable by everyone
raven kernel
has no real glaring weakness
vivid sage
I don't need all of it just most
raven kernel
warrior across the board averages ~3rd in most categories
of the 6 tank specs
only dead last on self heal
but if you understand how warrior mitigation is designed, its not really a big deal
sick sentinel
We have fucked Protection Warriors for the 1000th time because we don't like them. We have made it so every other class can do what they do, but better. If you want to succeed as a Protection Warrior, you must play to the highest skill level and gear so you can be on par with everyone else. -> Blizzard's official stance on Prot Warrior
Make your mind as you wish
grim prism
@vivid sage you will be able to clear all of heroic as any tank spec withoit disproportionate difficulty
@sick sentinel QQ moar
uneven mason
So like, all the tanks are fine for all content. whether warriors will be the "Meta" and used in the world first races who knows.
But there is nothing stopping warriors from completing mythic raids as well as any other tank.
or doing high M+ keys
grim prism
Tank "tier ranks" are only relevant if you are pushing the highest-level endgame content, and if you have to ask in the first place, then that probably isn't you.
sick sentinel
^^^^
grim prism
And even if that is the case, they are still just subjective opinions
uneven mason
"Shield wall didn't save me at 5% health, Warriors worst tank" - metabois
raven kernel
tank players that push that level of content will have pretty much every tank class levelled and switch as appropriate anyway
uneven mason
^^
sick sentinel
Are you sure? I think they commit to one and only from day one 😮
jovial smelt
Leveled is one thing, geared is another
grim prism
Depends on the player
uneven mason
I think the better question is. "How is the perception of warriors in BFA and will they get me laughed out of +15 groups cause raidio lemmings?"
sick sentinel
If they, for some reason, chose the wrong one, its the entire expansion to the shitter
raven kernel
the people pushing that level of content WILL get their chars geared
uneven mason
Sagif I think you need to script a /s to append to everything you say!
sick sentinel
I think so too
grim prism
The tier doesnt open for three weeks, all the "world first" types will have multiple 120s with at least one of them geared and ready
A lot of people who do mythic will still only have one tank leveled
jovial smelt
Ofc gearing one is easy, but 6 is a different story
raven kernel
majority of players in world top 100 guilds will have 2 chars even
jovial smelt
Leveling is fast anyways
grim prism
They'd probs have 2-3 on deck for the raid opening
raven kernel
im planning on at least 2 as well, 3rd if i have the time
grim prism
If they are no-lifing it
But "the average player" will probably have one raid-ready spec when the tier opens, judging by how blizzard is treating the community
raven kernel
cant decide on DH or DK for my first alt tho 🤔
grim prism
Do you enjoy being able to move?
jovial smelt
^^^^
raven kernel
dk mobility isnt an issue for me
uneven mason
going from "any other class" to DK is basically like kneecapping yourself
raven kernel
i mained dk for 2 expacs
uneven mason
it feels just as fun
grim prism
Especially going from prot war to DK
uneven mason
that was actually the primary reason I didn't volunteer to be the BDK for progression, the loss of mobility vs warrior is just nails on a chalkboard
raven kernel
at least DKs have deaths advance now
uneven mason
I lose my shit when I swap out from using Aggramar's for a Xmog farming run and have to wear my real gear.
grim prism
Playing warrior ruined my enjoyment of DK
smoky wave
Deaths advance is awful, and feels awful, until there's a blowback mechanic. Then it feels like God mode.
raven kernel
i played DK in wotlk and cata
ember arrow
deaths advance is the best ability ever
what feels awful about it?
it has no drawbacks
nor is it on gcd
uneven mason
except for gorefiends grasp
I mean, we can all agree, gorefiends is the best ability ever (Assuring BDK raid slots since 2014)
jovial smelt
Massgripping norgannon’s adds onto a raid member “for the lulz”
uneven mason
^^
That is almost on par with running through an annoying DPS as a tank.
during Golganneth
jovial smelt
Maybe it’s my own bad experience with BDKs, but I’ve seen that ability more damage than good during the course of legion
uneven mason
Fury + Prydaz was my favorite tho
Yeah folks that fat finger it on Aggramar ++++
quality vids
like I'm sure there is a blooper reel of a BDK just chain wiping his raid by being a DERP with Gorefiends
uneven mason
I think my favorite blooper with grasp was when a Druid Typhooned at the same time as grasp
it was like a TPK but for the druid and DK standing there
cause they got pulled THROUGH the raid, and everyone was like OMG DUCK FOR COVER
and the Druid sent em out like poolballs the other way
left that pug...
on Norgannons
jovial smelt
Rng of peace can also shot the adds flying like crazy
uneven mason
Thunder (who plays Elemental tho)
crystal night
I play ele as a main alt
wild atlas
wide juniper
Time to put together a new transmog, bored with my current
ember arrow
thats how it usually goes
primal crypt
@ember arrow you're back
signal plover
the incident
ember arrow
yea
signal plover
I'm glad u survived
strong forum
the incident monkaS
signal plover
3 more days lads.
strong forum
\o/
signal plover
I think I'ma change the mog up too
signal plover
Challenge skin may be coming off
wide juniper
then the uldir prep begins
signal plover
I think I'm going blue hidden arti + the spiky boi rhino Kaiju blue PvP set
signal plover
The one with the rhino horn helm
strong forum
arena
signal plover
Ya
strong forum
yea that works
signal plover
Honor is the horny spikes
wide juniper
#TeamNoHelm
strong forum
#mightydwarfbeard
signal plover
If I was still tauren it's b no helm
I think I'm finally gonna race change to DI tho
(once they're available)
strong forum
yeees
wide juniper
Stand up orc here
strong forum
well you need to unlock them
strong forum
get exalted with 7th legion to unlock
wide juniper
hmt druid is ba
solid sun
Did someone ask for me
wide juniper
No leave
strong forum
hah
wide juniper
Be gone, thot
strong forum
i see what you did there
patent pasture
Hi all,it has probably already been spoken about but how are you feeling about the Azerite traits?
solid sun
I feel like I hope I get the strongest ones and become mighty
tawny panther
One was giving us like 5% damage but it was nerfed. Iron fortress I believe it was
sick sentinel
They won’t let us have nice things
somber dragon
I blame garrosh
ember arrow
lets see if i can link it
- Offtank 2153
- Draixo 1918
- Kabahl 1799
- Arkaangyaal 1666
- Arcsibald 835
im offtank
this is the bottom of the meters
this wasST vs fire coven maiden
somber dragon
. /dance
somber dragon
that's like my 191 prot st damage on a dummy
coral dew
Potentially odd question: would the extra damage from Brace for Impact (Azerite trait) be modified by damage multipliers like Heavy Repercussions, Shield Block etc? Or just added as a raw number on top of the shield slam damage after those modifiers?
In other words, does the extra shield slam damage go before or after all the damage modifiers
👀
opaque pagoda
hahaha, after buying all the 370 azerite gear, I have 199K health, and my ignore pain absorbs 50% of the next 32,600 damage taken!
less than 10%, I love it!
ember arrow
less than 10% of what?
opaque pagoda
total health
round vortex
He is say 50% of 32k = 16k is less than 10% max hp
opaque pagoda
nothing else, just supposed to suck apparently
coral dew
How much would x3 Bloodsport add?
ember arrow
luckily it has no cd, is readily available, and can be used often, since we have only SB as rage spender defensively otherwise
opaque pagoda
boy, that is lucky
ember arrow
8.1% ehp every time u use it
opaque pagoda
if you press it 12 times, it heals you to full!
ember arrow
WOTN, a dk talent adds 19% ehp
FB adds 10%
while this is a button you can use every few seconds
opaque pagoda
yep, while doing literally nothing else
ember arrow
its a shame warr has no cds to cover gaps in our metigation, or ways to reduce it.
IP isnt a rage dump or anything
u expect it to be a death strike
opaque pagoda
it's true, you literally HAVE to press the useless button to get any benefit out of anger management
so there's that
ember arrow
waht use does pressing any damaging ability have defensively?
generate rage
what can you spend rage on?
SB and IP
woa
opaque pagoda
I mean, as far as I can tell you're just identifying flaws in the class design
ember arrow
its almost like we're playing a tank
opaque pagoda
but I feel as though YOU feel you're defending the design
ember arrow
the design makes sense for what IP is
you want it to be what its not
you want it to be a spammable AHR
opaque pagoda
a useful button to press? yeah, I guess
ember arrow
shield wise
idk what to tell you, if around 10% ehp doesnt sound good for a rage dump, then idk what to tell u, its not our AM
in legion i had 9.6mil hp. IP was 1.9mil
that was 20% hp shield, diff was it was spammable
opaque pagoda
ALSO NOT ON THE GCD
ember arrow
now its not
yea so you had permanent uptime on essentially an absorb equal to your hp pool
that sounds reasonable
im still curious what IP issupposed to be? i costs only 40 rage, has no cd as mentioned
opaque pagoda
take it off the GCD or make it do damage
ember arrow
you generate rage t ospend it, IP is one of few spenders
opaque pagoda
literally anything