protection

[dark junco]

^

[regal island]

granted real raid tanks will lvl multiple tank class due to fotm

[dark junco]

More like encounters strats

[grim prism]

Or they'll just play prot and be fine

[ember arrow]

Fine

[grim prism]

What is a "real raid tank" anyway

[ember arrow]

I want more than fine

[regal island]

but thats not a bring the class bring the player, that's more of a bring the guy that plays wow nonstop with all cha's maxed.

[ember arrow]

Yea

U get rewarded for putting time into the game

Go figure

[grim prism]

Do you? Lol

[ember arrow]

What?

[grim prism]

I thought you got rewarded by having sheer dumb luck

[main vault]

Sheer dumb luck doesn't down bosses

Preparation does

[ember arrow]

What are you talking about

Not u nexii

[main vault]

And the more times you roll the dice, the more "sheer dumb luck" you have

[grim prism]

The new gearing and loot paradigm

But yeah, more dice rolls = more shit

It was kind of a joke guys

[ember arrow]

I prepare for fights. I dont play multiple tanks to roll one randomly for specific fights

[main vault]

People can get lucky with tf in lfr and etc

But those won't out gear someone pushing content

The people farming heroic and mythic, or pushing the highest keys, will always have the best gear

[sick sentinel]

As we should?

heh

[grim prism]

I don't have a guild lined up and will primarily be slamming keys

But even that turns into fishing for TFs fairly quickly

[ember arrow]

That wasnt the point

[main vault]

It does

[ember arrow]

U wont outgear m raiderz with random lfr TF

[main vault]

But the more you push, the more dice you roll

And you can clear heroic minimum easily

[sick sentinel]

Easily. Hmm. You haven’t seen the average guild do H Agg. 😂

[grim prism]

Keep in mind

"The average raider" is pretty shit at the game

[solid sun]

Can confirm

[grim prism]

Hence the move toward mkre casual-friendly raiding

[solid sun]

Am one

[main vault]

The average raider can clear heroic

Hell below average raiders downed mythic

[uneven mason]

Trying to reintroduce Warlocks and Hunters to their CC spells for HAgg made me start drinking again

[grim prism]

Carries dont count for purposes of tbis discussion imo

[main vault]

Not talking carried

[uneven mason]

he's talking performance

[stark sage]

i dont think you have seen the true average player

[main vault]

I'm talking raiders parsing below 50-60% because they are below average

[grim prism]

Statistically speaking, if you "clear mythic" you are well above average

[solid sun]

A below average raider who has somehow managed to clear mythic Antorus was carried

[uneven mason]

Average player != Average raider

[stark sage]

okay raiders parsing ~50% are above average players

bya lot

[grim prism]

Compared to the total population

[main vault]

I'd call a raider parsing grey or green below average

[grim prism]

Parsing 50% in mythic makes you an average mythic raider. It also puts you in probably the top 5% of all players who participate in raid content lol

[stark sage]

average players are people who parse ~50% in normal

[uneven mason]

% of folks that cleared mythic argus is around 2%~ right?

[stark sage]

people who struggle to beat a +15 at end of the expac

etc

[grim prism]

More or lless @uneven mason

[main vault]

3.8% of guilds on wowprog have downed it

[uneven mason]

So if you are a 50% parser, on MArgus gratz

you're the 1%

[grim prism]

The ~2%*

Lol

[uneven mason]

kj

[sick sentinel]

We are the 1% :D

[uneven mason]

Its not even splitting hairs to point out that avg player != avg raider

since the avg player doesn't even raid

[smoky oak]

what does that make abrodus 😮

[uneven mason]

on average

[main vault]

Right

[onyx radish]

Hi all. Is there any anticipations about upcoming changes for prot wars after go-live? I know the block rating on shields currently will eventually have warriors with a crit block of like 90+% so I'm thinking that will change? I'm really hoping for Ignore Pain to change mechanically seeing as it really feels clunky in the spec.

[main vault]

Same anticipations as weeks now

[sick sentinel]

Avg player battle pets and lfr

[grim prism]

If you're "the average participant of this discord" you are probably above average in the first place relative to all raiders

[ember arrow]

I do pet battles

Fight me

[uneven mason]

Not me man

I'm shit tier warrior

[main vault]

I wouldn't compare anything to the average player since that's irrelevant

Average raider sure

[grim prism]

Average raider doesn't do mythic

Average raider struggles on heroic

[main vault]

But the 38 year old father of two that does mog runs and has 700 pets idc about

[uneven mason]

and average mythic raider doesn't clear mythic

[sick sentinel]

Damn @main vault don’t care about me

[wheat bronze]

What if he were 37 and a father of three?

[uneven mason]

I only have 480 pets Nexii

[main vault]

I have like uh

[uneven mason]

and Mog is wht its about

[main vault]

80?

120?

I'm also talking ONLY mog runs and pets

Not raiding and etc

[uneven mason]

Oh

yeah well I do LFR thats raiding right?

[sick sentinel]

Raiding heroic after getting 3 kids in bed and working all week and household maintenance is a legit accomplishment lol

[smoky oak]

raiding heroic=que up for a pug

magic 😮

[sick sentinel]

For some of us pagans we do it in these guilds

[main vault]

Obviously a young one there lol

[sick sentinel]

Me? Yeah, I’m 38. Father of 3. I’ll be all gray soon tho. LUL

[regal island]

idk i've done mythic on my warlock have mythic tier etc but my heroic guardian has higher lvl tier and about the same overall ilvl

content =/= ilvl

with bfa the non forging azerite pieces should help

[sick sentinel]

I’m pretty hype for Monday tho. The rep grind for Mag’har orcs begins

[solid sun]

I don't have kids, but I'm newly married and just moved into a house. Work as a tradesman and have house maintenance, so I feel you on the time restraints and fatigue, Tobit

[sick sentinel]

Yes! Man. Ever fallen asleep at the keyboard?

[solid sun]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

My man

My people

[uneven mason]

No amount of manual labor, will ever equate to the struggle to get a kid in bed before raid time

especially

[solid sun]

We out here

[uneven mason]

once they figure out that you're trying to rush bedtime, because you want to go play a game (that they enjoy watching you play)

[grim prism]

tfw dual income no kids

Get rekt nerds

[uneven mason]

DINK

[sinful basin]

Hey, guys, any suggestions on where to look for bis Atherite traits for prot? Can't find anything special

[grim prism]

@sinful basin the guide in pins

[sick sentinel]

Balsaq living that best life

[grim prism]

Has pretty much all the basic Qs answered

[solid sun]

I didn't think there was a bis list yet

Traits still being tuned

[uneven mason]

Its not a BiS list, its just a list and what gear has em

erm

[solid sun]

I think the best thing about prot warriors are the mainstays of this channel.

[uneven mason]

That is a really low bar you're setting for prot.

[solid sun]

Perspective

[ember arrow]

xd

[sinful basin]

@grim prism May be Im blind but I can't find any mentions of the Atherite traits in the pinned guide. It's just a pre-patch guide and there is not much BfA related topics

I'm looking at https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
And it's last updated on Jul 17

[grim prism]

Yeah thats my bad

[fierce juniper]

The guide will be updated in the next few days with BfA stuff

[grim prism]

I think they are still working on it

[fierce juniper]

including an azerite section

[grim prism]

Oh hey look at that

[regal island]

Looks like for warriors it's going to vary on what's hitting you

low dmg hits the block is traits are gonna be bis

high dmg hits the armor/str traits

[sinful basin]

Yeah, Im counting on it, but for now I was wondering if there are some other sources I could dig into )

[fierce juniper]

Not really, unfortunately

This site is really good if you just wanna look at azerite stuff

https://azerite.info/

but theres nothing as far as analysis goes yet

[sinful basin]

Yes, Im looking at it right now )

[regal island]

if Callous Reprisal stacks it will be pretty nice

[sinful basin]

I'll check on the guide when it'll be updated then, ty

[regal island]

3% less damage stacking upto 3 times for 3/3 traits, 9% less dmg and it's aoe

Bury the hatchet looks interesting for m+

[astral crystal]

callous reprisal is pretty bad

it's not 1% dmg reduction

it's .5%

[regal island]

scales with ilvl

at 350 it's 1%

[astral crystal]

last i checked on beta anyway

[regal island]

the calculator might be off.

yeah looks like wowhead has it right and only the revenge damage scales

[dark junco]

Is brace for impact any good ?

trying to get a general idea of what to farm

[regal island]

i'm thinking reinforced plating 250 str @ 350

but deafening crash honestly might be the best

[astral crystal]

defeaning crash is generally thought to be the best, yeah

[regal island]

Extending demo just looks juicy, especially if you can get it to cover say 2 big boss hits of whatever

and it works on all damage so yeah

deal more damage if you're talented for it too.

plus synergy with avatar

yeah i cant see any reason to use anything but deafening crash

[signal plover]

Didn't wowhead just release Azurite trait guides?

[wide juniper]

Yep

[signal plover]

Just read through the prot one, seems to agree with the discussions ive seen here. Also lists the armor pieces with the traits.

[dark junco]

are each azerite power managing their own stakcs ?

Like I could have 3x 3stacks of callous reprisal ?

whats the formula for bloc now ?

[regal island]

block rating

warrior gets base 18% block chance

[dark junco]

yeah but is it strait the bloc rating ?

[regal island]

block / (block +k)

k = 6300 atm

[uneven mason]

block chance scales on mastery

block reduction scales like armor

block rating is a stat that is currently 1.5* your shields armor value

[dark junco]

so brace for impact is alright, but not outstanding

[uneven mason]

right, its not going to win any awards

[dark junco]

at that point callous seems really realy better

even more so if the NaN% is really a scaled %

[hot locust]

It's not.

[grim prism]

NaN is my favorite (not a) number

[uneven mason]

When you find an exception in the spell data and print it raw.

[solid sun]

NaN?

[grim prism]

Its what happens when you break a computer

Divide by zero or have similarlt undefined results

[uneven mason]

unless its javascript in which case it gives you a smartass remark for trying to divide by zero

[grim prism]

ah-ah-ah, you didn't say the magic word

[uneven mason]

shit, can't remember what thats from

Jurassic Park?

[ember arrow]

pfew

31 stacks on class dummy

[uneven mason]

wellthen

[solid sun]

Yes, Jurassic

[vapid folio]

I need help

Im thinking about reroll to protect

Protect is good in arenas??

Can protect kill a caster??

[grim prism]

If disc didnt just have their damage gutted i'd say prot was good in arenas

But idk what all they can do now that a DPS cant do better

[main vault]

@vapid folio #223972896219856896

[grim prism]

High-level PvP bores the shit out of me though so I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable

Used to have great synergy with disc priest since you were both basically half a DPS and pretty much unkillable between bubbles and safeguard

Maybe there's still a niche, but you'd have to be exceptionally good at arenas to capitalize on it

[solid sun]

Would one of you like to come over and watch me Warrior and tell me what I do wrong

I'll pay you with steak

[grim prism]

Just post logs during the tier

Logs OP

[uneven mason]

make sure advanced combat logging is turned on

[solid sun]

I've never logged before

[uneven mason]

and remember to purge your log after every raid

cause warcraft logs gets pissy

if you have multiple raids

you /combatlog on

and after the raid is done

you turn it off

and then upload your combat log to warcraft logs, ez

[solid sun]

I assume there's a combat log addon?

[glacial flint]

ill read that tanks are faster in leveling... why ?

never read this xD

[stark sage]

@solid sun pretty sure DBM has an auto log function that turns it on during raid

[grim prism]

You can pull a whole quest worth of mobs at once and nuke them all down in AoE. You are harder to kill in general. Also helps you find a group to anchor for, to offset the fact that individual mobs die slower.

There are pros and cons tbh

I'm not sure it's objectively better

I prefer it thougj

[glacial flint]

yea sure u can pull more.. but if a dps use CDs they can handle more too^^ and they kill faster than tanks ^^ so its same speed ill think

[grim prism]

Probably about the same, yeah

Less punishing to overpull as tank though

[solid sun]

I've been using Bigwigs since watching Sloot. Is there an alternative @stark sage

[grim prism]

@solid sun DBM or a premade WA suite for the tier

[stark sage]

you dont really need an addon to use logs

[grim prism]

Oh derp

[stark sage]

you just enable them and upload them after raid

the auto log function just adds some convenience

[solid sun]

Oh, it's part of the standard wow experience?

[stark sage]

yeah

you have to go into your wow settings and enable advanced logging

then in game you type /combatlog

you will need to download the uploader from warcraftlogs.com

[uneven mason]

which uses adobe air

If your doing progression you make the logs private and live log them...

so you can see where everyone screwed up after ever pull

[solid sun]

Without having wow in front of me right now this sounds complicated

[uneven mason]

its not

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/

[solid sun]

What does setting them as private do?

[uneven mason]

Make an account, download the uploader

makes it so no one else can see it, thats only if you're balls to the wall hardcore progression tho :p

Sorry, I did a too much info

[stark sage]

yeah private logging doesnt really matter unless you have a reason to hide them

[solid sun]

Lol

[strong forum]

to hide the amazingness that is bfa prot warri

duh

[uneven mason]

dig around on WClogs for a bit

[grim prism]

Always public log

[uneven mason]

to familiarize yourself on how to read them.

[grim prism]

You have literally nothing to lose by having them visible to others, unless you have some weird pride issues

Log review is the single most important tool to getting better at WoW imo

[uneven mason]

Or your working on CE (which they probably have better parsing tools anyway)

like world 1st races etc

[stark sage]

some guilds keep them private so pad monkeys dont ruin progression trying to parse

[grim prism]

If youre working on CE then you arent asking how to log lol

[uneven mason]

right

[grim prism]

Hah good point Kel

[solid sun]

No pride here. Self deprecation is my specialty

[grim prism]

I assumed it was to keep their strats private

@solid sun then you are in the right discord

[undone sun]

poaching and that are the two main reasons people private log

[uneven mason]

Well Rhino if you're going to be raid leading, turn that frown upside down, you'll be depreciating others in short order...using logs as a weapon.

[solid sun]

Lol

[grim prism]

I got recruited by a fairly solid mythic guild just by having good pub logs

[uneven mason]

Yeah

Its like a resume

[grim prism]

Granted, tank DPS is a bad metric for performance

But as I've mentioned before

[uneven mason]

Never

[grim prism]

I love to cheese lmao

[stark sage]

ah yeah forgot about poaching

[uneven mason]

#tankdamagematters

[grim prism]

#alldamagematters

[uneven mason]

Oh

[stark sage]

:X i was poached in wod, went back after tho

[uneven mason]

You went there.

[grim prism]

Also, cant get gold parses if you die mid-pull

Orange*

I wasnt THAT good

[solid sun]

Do y'all still look at your action bars

[grim prism]

Kinda.

[stark sage]

to check timings yeah

[grim prism]

I dont IGNORE them

I dont lazer-focus them either

[solid sun]

I've found even with WAs my eyes auto go to my bars

[grim prism]

Having good WAs helps more than anything

[uneven mason]

its a rough habit to break

setup WAs around your characters feet (but don't occlude your feet)

[wide juniper]

Best thing I could do is hide my bars

[grim prism]

As long as you're not looking at them to watch where you are clicking...

[uneven mason]

like all the information you need should be within easy glance of the "are you standing in shit"

[grim prism]

Yeah I had all my shit centralized in the lower-middle of my screen

[main vault]

Honestly, if you can't keep your eyes off the bars

[uneven mason]

setup WAs to track important debuffs on you and your co tank as well

[main vault]

Just set up a bar as a 6x2 and out the main stuff on it

[grim prism]

WAs center, with my target windows flanking my character to the left and right

[main vault]

And put that under your feet

[uneven mason]

never rely on the basic UI (or even elv UI)

[main vault]

And make the boxes larger

[grim prism]

Ive been using basic UI forever lol

[uneven mason]

I mean for debuff tracking

[grim prism]

I only look at my bars to check my CD times

[uneven mason]

Like, the bsic UI debuffs are microscopic at 4k

[solid sun]

I was planning on using Sloot's WAs

[uneven mason]

that is a good place to start

[main vault]

His does look good

I'm not gonna lie

[uneven mason]

just gotta configure it so it fits your screen and your "view point"

like not everyone has NASCAR driver level attention

[wide juniper]

F1

come on

[main vault]

I'm a pretty basic bitch though

[wide juniper]

NASCAR DansGame

[main vault]

I just have mine around my toon

[uneven mason]

so you gotta make sure the stuff you need to see is right where you're looking

F1 driver even better

[grim prism]

I wish I still had a gif of my old WA setup

Man it was pretty

[solid sun]

Is there a WA person y'all trust for raid specific things? Or did y'all figure out how to WA yourself

[wide juniper]

👍

[uneven mason]

somthing like they notice details 32x faster than the average person

[blazing dirge]

Interesting. 41% haste with choice 370 gear and a lvl14 neck at 120

[grim prism]

@solid sun little of both. Its pretty easy ti make WAs for boss mechanics

Generally speaking

[charred vigil]

Chesder has a tell me when add on for warriors. The Prot one isn’t terrible

[uneven mason]

Yeah WA that track debuffs/buffs are really easy to put together

its when you start trying to logic them out

that they can get complex

[solid sun]

Maybe uli should just focus on one thing at a tine

Time*

[grim prism]

For stuff like stacking taunt mechanics it's pretty piss-easy to just make one

[main vault]

@solid sun Reloe

[grim prism]

Especially since DBM calls taunts at timings that your group may not use

DBM loves to scream at you

Part of the reason I switched to BigWigs

[solid sun]

That's one of the reasons I like bigwigs

[wide juniper]

😮

[uneven mason]

like, htye both do the same thing, DBM just has more options "On" by default

[main vault]

^

[uneven mason]

I was looking at my wifes setup (she uses BW, I use DBM) Literally the same # of options

[main vault]

They literally both have the same shit

[uneven mason]

just DBM is more in your face

[grim prism]

When it says "HOLY SHIT TAUNT NOW RUN AWAY LITTLE GIRL" across my whole screen on the second stack when my group swaps on six stacks

[uneven mason]

so it comes down, is it faster to turn stuff on, or turn stuff off.

[grim prism]

It's a little obnoxious

They are basically the same thinf

[main vault]

https://wago.io/ByyBK8vpG @solid sun

[grim prism]

BW is just less obtrusive by default

[uneven mason]

Right.

[strong forum]

oh shit nexii grew old

[uneven mason]

I mean, I've been using DBM, because I've been using DBM since like, uh...I dunno 2006?

[main vault]

I've always been old

[solid sun]

Thanks Nexii

[main vault]

Don't use it yet

[strong forum]

Please do not import this Aura yet, unless there is more Beta testing you are participating in.

[main vault]

Since he is still working on it

But he will update it

And there are cotank auras and etc

[grim prism]

People planning on using Uldir WAs immediately may need to invest in a calendar

A simple swap WA for a stacking debuff is as easy one trigger for auras, self, stacks >= x, and a second for auras, target:[cotank], inverse

Only shows up when you have more than X stacks and your cotank doesnt have a debuff

Takes 30 seconds to make

Obviously there is more than one way to do it as well

Just giving an example

[solid sun]

But I'm not a computer wizard

[grim prism]

If you installed WA in the first place, you have the skills necessary to make one

[uneven mason]

WA is easy to learn, and very easy to do esp if you're used to stuff like JSON and scripting langs, if you're new to if/else logic you might find them a bit overwhelming at first.

[grim prism]

They even have templates for you

[uneven mason]

but there is some really good tutorials on wowhead

[grim prism]

Even if you have no scripting knowledge whatsoever, the baked-in triggers just work off simple dropdown menus

Minimal effort, maximum reward

WA is the single greatest addon in WoW history

Facts

[uneven mason]

that is true, like I said though, its mostly sorting out the if/else logic on them hehe.

what about Power Auras

I liked Power Auras

First power aura I made was to track my shamans Maelstrom Charges

[grim prism]

I've never used it QED it's not important

[uneven mason]

Power Aura was the precursor to WA 😛

many times ago

[stark sage]

power auras good times

i look at my old wotlk ui and throw up a little each time

[uneven mason]

yeah

[grim prism]

Are you going to print it on a sweater

[uneven mason]

first version of PA didn't have clickthrough

[grim prism]

I would rock a cancer UI shirt

[uneven mason]

WoTLK UIs would make great ugly sweaters

all the healthbar colors

esp for like, DKs

[stark sage]

i played elemental in wotlk, and i had PAs for all my totem buffs and flame shock

it was a colorful mess

[uneven mason]

4 Colors of runes, 4 CD bars, 2 resources

[grim prism]

1 cup

[wide juniper]

2 girls

[uneven mason]

The days when Enahnce use spell hit

ahhh don't miss that.

[strong forum]

the days where prot pally used caster weapons for spell power instead of strength weapons

[solid sun]

Another question I had based on some comments about Warrior in NH.

Did all of you feel the name to swap out your tank characters for NH?

Need*

[grim prism]

Nope

Just rammed my fucking head into the wall until we got kills

[uneven mason]

Oh man...Nomeratur, Prot paladins stealing Mp5 gear cause, they could OOM while tanking...

[grim prism]

Honestly our problem on Krosus was less to do with tank damage and more to do with DPS dying to mechanics

[strong forum]

good shit

mp5 sockets

[stark sage]

@solid sun really there was only star agur, and krosus to a lesser extent that shit on prot during prog

[uneven mason]

Balsaq - Soaking puddles right?

[grim prism]

Augur was pretty hard but again, it was raid-wide pronlems

[stark sage]

most guilds just solo tanked augur with a druid anyways

[uneven mason]

raiders running back to soak puddles, get 1 shot by the 🖕 beam

[grim prism]

Not focusing adds in time or leaving too much unsoaked, yeah

[uneven mason]

was the issue iwth Krosus

[grim prism]

Or our demon hunter dashing off the side of the fucking bridge

[uneven mason]

Our Mistweaver

made a regular habit

[grim prism]

Once we got the swaps and CD timing down it was pretty much autopilot

[uneven mason]

of rolling sideways

[grim prism]

I think the problem was overstated

[uneven mason]

+++ Bridge isn't that wide

[grim prism]

No it is not, and it does not have a railing.

Whoops

[uneven mason]

better than the time my BrM co tank on Imonar to decide to roll diagonally to dodge a ball

[grim prism]

And on Augur we just had terminal Grand Conjuctivitis

[uneven mason]

never beat Star Augur myself, we gave up until mid ToS, and yeah, we Bur/BDK'd it

[grim prism]

I quit before we downed it lol

[uneven mason]

hardest part on Star Augur is getting people to look up

[grim prism]

But it wasnt tank issues stopping us, at that pont

[uneven mason]

THE EYEBALL

"I don't see it"

How the fuck

[unique echo]

Any chances of them adjusting prot warriors on bfa launch? Or did this recent class adjustment show they like where we're at?

[uneven mason]

Eyeball the size of a moon above your head - can't see it

[stark sage]

we still have a few weeks of adjustments to go @unique echo

[grim prism]

I would not anticipate major changes.

[wild atlas]

I would think things are fair game for tuning until a couple weeks into raid

[stark sage]

yeah nothing game changing, just number tweaking

[wild atlas]

Small tuning

[uneven mason]

@strong forum Worst part of TBC when they gave paladins the idea they were viable, was the fact that after benching the GMs girlfriend who wanted to be prot paladin for months, we got to Hyjal and I had to actually gear that dumpsterfire of a tank so we could deal with the add waves EZmode

[solid sun]

Are you raiding again, Balsaq?

[strong forum]

lel

i was 11 back in the day and wanted to be a good ret pala....

can imagine how that went

[uneven mason]

It went fine, I mean, we got Archimonde

ALthough by the time we were done in BT I had given up on the prot paladin being any good, and gone back to having our Arena junky Holy paladin Add tanking using PVP Gear and Righteous Fury and spam healing himself.

[strong forum]

hahaa

furthest i'd gotten in TBC was SSC

[solid sun]

The first guild I was ever in was in TBC. They never killed Curator

I played a holy paladin

[strong forum]

lemme check what raids i actually cleared, my char from back then didnt even make it to 80 LUL

Kara once, Magtheridon once Gruul twice and Vashj once

god damn was i hardcore /s

LUL

[uneven mason]

I was a yell at my raiders type raidleader.

[strong forum]

but damn 6.8k honorable kills

[grim prism]

@solid sun i'll probably focus on M+. I'd like to raid but I don't have a group to run with since I left my old guild

I'll likely end up doing heroic with a guild that isnt primarily a raid guild

[solid sun]

You can join my group

[grim prism]

Maybe pug mythic when it unlocks

[strong forum]

Netherwing
Exalted on TBC Character.... FeelsGoodMan

[uneven mason]

I recently went back to my vanilla/TBC main, still has the most HKs and exalted reps out of any of my characters over the past 12years

[solid sun]

We can tank together. After all the questions I've asked, doesn't that sound perfectly enjoyable? :)

[uneven mason]

Back when AV lasted minimum 6 hours

Best way to learn how to tank is get a co tank who knows what they're doing

Tanking is almost 100% rote

[grim prism]

Hahah

If I were committed to really playing out the tier then I'd say sure

I dont know how much I'll be on in practice

DM me if you want my battletag anyway. All my toons are Horde side atm

No plans to roll alli

[solid sun]

I'll leave the light on. Come when you feel the itch

[grim prism]

Double Prot OP

So much command

[solid sun]

Masterful

We can have our own masterclass on that website for tanking duos

[uneven mason]

Double prot tanking is a thing of beauty, leaps and intercepts is like a ballet @dusk cloak

[half tide]

What's the engage rotation in a pack (M+) with prot War? ty for answer guys

(without rage before engage)

[strong forum]

avatar -> charge -> DS + SB -> TC

thats what i do

[wide juniper]

IP in there

I type gud

[strong forum]

IP is like the 4th cast or smth

[ruby berry]

I try to tclap slightly earlier to compensate for dps being stupid but yah, that's about it.

[strong forum]

after TC

[uneven mason]

like, generally whiel doing large packs, TC iis every other GCD, hit IP if you didn't proc a SS reset, keep DS up in between TCs

if you're not taking deadly amounts of damage, hit revenge

between TCs

You can also engage with LS going, to give yourself 100% block which allows your first ball of rage to be spent on IP rather than SB

If its a nasty bunch

[solid sun]

Is the Uldir elevator boss still solo tankable

[jovial forge]

What % of vers do you guys recommend ?

[undone sun]

there's no required amount nor minimum, it's not even the best secondary stat atm

[strong forum]

200% vers would be ideal

[jovial forge]

currently sat at 31% haste 28% mast

[half tide]

haste haste haste ❤

[strong forum]

need that 100% dmg reduction

[vapid folio]

I need a answer

Can warrior protect kill caster easy?? Protect have dmg?? Or only hard tank??

[strong forum]

prot pvp is bad

[grim prism]

^

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[grim prism]

No kill, only tank

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[uneven mason]

Prot was gonna be awesome in PVP vs Casters, but they nerfed that.

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[uneven mason]

Well our honor talents are pretty good for being a pain in their ass distraction

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[uneven mason]

AE Roots/Stuns/Knockbacks

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[grim prism]

I dont think he speaks english, he asked the same shit above and we gave similar answers

[strong forum]

rip

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[uneven mason]

But yeah, did a WSG as prot

I just irritated people until real DPS showed up

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[uneven mason]

We had stances

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[jovial forge]

should i use a leech enchant ? orrr

[strong forum]

what

[jovial forge]

beta

[strong forum]

theres a leech enchant? since when

oh 32

thats nothing

dont bother

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[strong forum]

mh

[jovial forge]

its like 3%

[strong forum]

thats like what 3%

[jovial forge]

for me

ye

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[strong forum]

since they nerfed leech azerite build

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[strong forum]

yea i dont think its worth

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[strong forum]

either armor, haste or atk spd are going to be meta

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[jovial forge]

You can currently buy 120 gear on beta

for the raid testing

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[strong forum]

what

no

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[strong forum]

you get all gear

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[jovial forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412310798019592202/477200011193483274/unknown.png

[strong forum]

beta is literally a buggy version of whats going to be live

with some minor differences

[grim prism]

^

[strong forum]

if you didnt know, people did up to m+17

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[grim prism]

It's called beta TESTING for a reason

They are testing content they intend to launch on live for balance and stability

Hence, pretty much everything is inckuded

[strong forum]

ima try and create a leech build real quick on beta

to see whats the max possible with azerite + enchant

yea no way

6% leech

with 1x Bloodsport and 3x siphon trait + weapon enchant

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[uneven mason]

cause while your farming your real gear, you might get it?

[signal plover]

You're

Bahahahaaj

[errant ledge]

When can we expect a BFA trinket guide? Darkmoon card is looking pretty strong atm

[undone sun]

relatively soon and afaik the tank dmf trinket is shit

[vivid charm]

how is prot looking in BFA bois? 😃

raidwise/ m+

[frank mantle]

Average to below average in both

[solid sun]

Personally, @Smokkan, I believe that our tmog selection is top shelf

So we will be looking very good

[signal plover]

@vivid charm viable for both except for bleeding edge progression

[vivid charm]

ah damn it 😦

[opaque pagoda]

Leslie Knope is optimistic about the state of protection warriors!

[vivid charm]

i wanted it for progress but i guess im fkd

[solid sun]

I'm sure Sense will warrior raid bleeding edge progression?

Why would you be fucked

[crimson quarry]

Imho prolly just gear is the cockblock

Warriors soo geardependent

[vivid charm]

i guess i ganna play it anyways because i like warrior tanks

😄

[crimson quarry]

Notorious for being shitty at start but being baller once geared

@vivid charm same

[frank mantle]

Imo monk and pally are what I’d put at the top combo at the moment

[grim prism]

So DONT upgrade my immortality deck

Got it

[solid sun]

Where does "bleeding edge" stop being bleeding edge

[signal plover]

The point of my statement was that's it's perfectly fine for progression

I'd consider bleeding edge like world first race

Opinion tho

[frank mantle]

Trickle down effect is always a major thing tho

[signal plover]

Doesn't change viability

[tiny sphinx]

reaganomics don't really apply here or anywhere

[frank mantle]

Right but people see that for example monk and pally are top for the cutting edge guilds, the plebs in their average paced mythic guilds will be tempted to roll those for the slight boost it gives even though for them it really doesn’t matter

[grim prism]

That doesnt mean they are correct though

That just means they are incapable of independent critical thought

And some 3-night guilds really value that in their members

[hot locust]

Some 2 night guilds do too 😉

[solid sun]

Can confirm. I like thinking

[jade socket]

@hot locust

[frank mantle]

I’m just saying that’s what happens.

[wide juniper]

I just know I'm excited for BFA 😃

[grim prism]

If it happens in your guild, you are in a shit guild

99% chance

[hot locust]

@jade socket

@jade socket

[undone sun]

[jade socket]

@hot locust

[hot locust]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

raid testing is pretty fun so far

[crimson quarry]

Think it comes down to a raid force doing it a couple times and understanding strats

Some classes have more room for error

Albie even if it's not yours

[heavy isle]

Is there a Prot War pov of the current testing?

[crimson quarry]

Heals fucks up a bear work last longer

[hot locust]

I'll post mine in #promotion @heavy isle

[heavy isle]

Ty

[hot locust]

❤

[ember arrow]

what did i miss

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly grotto]

anyone know of a good prot youtuber who would have some videos up from bfa beta? im primarily looking for m+ guides

[hot locust]

Not really guides but I think Sense might have some key runs up

if not he has vods on his twitch for them

[errant ledge]

I'm not sure where people are getting these opinions saying that paladin and monk are top. If your referring to a YouTube video, or sim that is completely inaccurate information...Most of those videos are purely opinion based on which class is more fun/easier to play. Not survivability, and if they are going off survivability its based off what THEY can perform, someone just brought up how sense will always be doing top end raiding as have i since WOTLK. Your going to tell me some random youtuber is going to know how to play every tank class to the ability that pro prot warriors play at? Please..And sims are not accurate because they have yet to develop an accurate sim formula for both tanks and healers. Think im wrong? In legion warriors were super OP at the start because of ignore pain, then we got nerfd and redone and ended up being the top tank but people still keep listening to these dumbasses in method thinking whatever they play is top. So then we get these "player of the month" people that play whatever people say is best without doing any research on their own. Look at the logs before pre patch and find me a tank that can mitigate more dmg, self heal more and do more dmg then a prot warrior. You can not sir.

You all need to watch sense more

[hot locust]

I almost want this to be a copypasta tbh

[stark sage]

u okay bud

[opaque pagoda]

I just think warriors feel bland as hell to play right now

[errant ledge]

Thats YOUR opinion

And this is what peopel fail to understand when watching youtube videos

people*

[opaque pagoda]

Correct, I can’t prove it mathematically

[errant ledge]

Thats my entire point people need to understand

You guys need to put in the research yourself

Dont let some dumbass on youtube determine the state of your class

Stand up for yourself

[jade socket]

monkaS

[undone sun]

uh, ya 👍

[spice crystal]

🍿

[grim prism]

🍝

[remote saddle]

o_O

[astral crystal]

lmao

a pasta is born

[ember arrow]

ima use this as a new copypaste. Sorry bro, i love warrior too, but we're currently weaker in sokme areas than other tanks, surely you cant deny that

no one is claiming that a "youtube video" convinced them

[grim prism]

I agree with the sentiment but yeah this is maybe taking it past the extreme

[ember arrow]

the nature of prot warrior is that its morep unishing than other tanks, while this can be good to feel good, it means that theyre generally less reliable than others

[grim prism]

The problem with sims was never the lack of a unified formula that tells you what is best for tanks, healers, and DPS

It was that meaningful tanking metrics are surprisingly hard to come up with

[ember arrow]

if you play perfectly, that just means people will see you perform "as you should", because other tanks generally dont require the effort

[final mist]

I mean

Warrior is good

But it's not Monk

But that doesn't matter

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Warri is a lifestyle

Warri is love warri is life, fuck the meta

[final mist]

All of them are reasonably "close", but some of the tanks are just flat out better than the others at certain things. That's just how the balance in this game works.

[grim prism]

Theres INTENTIONAL shitposting, and then....

[final mist]

For most people, the different strengths and weaknesses will not matter.

[ember arrow]

i play monk, dk, war and paladin atm, im not claiming its bad, nor should everytank be the same, but some tanks are better than others at certain things

[opaque pagoda]

There’s good, there’s bad, and then there’s IP on the GCD which is just fucking dumb

[grim prism]

LOL

[red sequoia]

idk why people care that much about whether their class is "the best" at something because most of them aren't going to be playing on the cutting edge of the game where class differences DO matter. play what you enjoy. WARRIOR FOR LIFE!

[ember arrow]

ofcourse thats how it works in wow, but if those "things" happen to be the content i enjoy most (m+) then its kinda hard to pick warrior over somethingelse

[grim prism]

I agree IP on GCD is dumb, but it's not the end of the world

[ember arrow]

i hope i made myself clear

[grim prism]

I mean this isnt the first time we've had this exact convo, even within this same prepatch period

[opaque pagoda]

I think they should put interrupts on the GCD too, just to shove our faces in it

[grim prism]

Careful what you wish for

[ember arrow]

everytime you autoattack, that shoudl triggera 1.5sec cd

[red sequoia]

@opaque pagoda those were dark days

[grim prism]

They may start suddenly listening to prot feedback

[charred vigil]

just like they did in legion

[opaque pagoda]

“YOU DIRTY BASTARDS WILL PLAY ANYTHING AND LOVE IT, WHO’S DADDY’S LITTLE BITCH, THAT’S RIGHT IT’S YOU”

[final mist]

All of the tanks have some shitty shit about them. I hate LotP being on the GCD, I hate DPS CDs in general being on the GCD, etc. They all have their good points too - Stagger is just flat out retarded (as usual), Paladins' sheer number of utility CDs is flat out retarded (as usual), DKs / DHs M+ utility is flat out retarded, Warriors' upfront mitigation is flat out retarded and so is their DPS, etc, etc.

And yet, for most people, this shit doesn't matter. Play what you like. End of story.

Also chill with the memeing.

Too much of that lately.

[grim prism]

[errant ledge]

The reason its more punishing is because our mitigation is stronger, that's why people have always struggled with prot because you cant smash your face into your keyboard and win. You have to make logical timed decisions.

[opaque pagoda]

I understand why they didn’t want major offensive and defensive cooldowns to be instantly stackable, zero idea why they applied that thinking to other areas where it doesn’t fit at all

[grim prism]

Honestly @errant ledge we covered this pretty in-depth about 3-4 hours ago with all the same people in the channel

I think we are all more or less on the same page

[errant ledge]

Oh im aware its an ongoing battle for you poor guys here having to constantly repeat yourself, i have allot of respect for the mods here. I was just replying to a msg someone said about me.

[red sequoia]

question about the prot warrior review on wowhead. why is into the fray better than punish. haste levels on 120 gear? (i only leveled to about 117 on beta) 3% damage reduction 100% uptime seems pretty good imo

[hot locust]

punish is effectively 6% vers equivalent of damage reduction

so even if you only have 2 stacks of ITF at all times

haste > Vers in the idea that haste gives you control of your damage reduction

so its worth more

[red sequoia]

ah maths, that thing i dont like lol

i guess 6% haste from just standing there is actually really powerful huh

[final mist]

ItF isn't quite 3% Haste per stack.

It scales like how Spriest's Void Form Haste stacks work, so it's actually more.

[grim prism]

Far be it for blizz to code an accurate tooltip

Can you elaborate on that for us non-spriests Sal?

[hot locust]

it's multiplicative with your base haste

so if you have 10% haste

it's multiplying by 1.1

[red sequoia]

yeah, i guess without seeing decimals its hard to tell

[grim prism]

So it's adding 15% to your numerical haste value?

[hot locust]

another example would be if you have 25%

you'd multiply by 1.25

kind of?

[red sequoia]

yeah im getting 19% on my stat block from it, 28% up to 47%

[final mist]

What Lala said.

It's correct in that it increases your Haste by 3% per stack.

But it's not just a flat 3% per stack, if that makes sense.

[grim prism]

Its just not literally adding +3% to the stat modifier

Got it

[final mist]

So the tooltip is "correct", from a certain point of view.

[red sequoia]

thats why it didnt look as strong as i thought

[final mist]

Oh, talents are always full of trap talents like that, every spec.

Indom looks good to the average player who doesn't know any better, HR looks better than AM, BSC sounds really good, etc, etc.

A lot of times, talents are looked at individually, in a vacuum, without taking into account how they interact with each other.

[red sequoia]

damage increasing talents are always really tempting

[final mist]

Ex. Both in Legion and in BfA, our best talent setup takes the talents that maximize our Rage generation and then couples it with AM to reduce those CDs.

So it's just a fast cycle of CD usage that lowers our incoming damage and increases our DPS.

[solid sun]

Is that Joey person a prominent warrior?

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid sun]

One of his messages said he was responding to something someone said about him, but I didn't notice anyone even talking to him

[chilly brook]

@final mist I disagree nothing is “shitty” about BrM lol

You could try making an argument for guard being shitty since it’s on the gcd but then again you also literally have a free global in your rotation sooooooo

[hot locust]

I think BrM is just boring.

[final mist]

You have no DPS CDs as BRM, and your DPS was just massively neutered because Tiger Palm was removed from the game. M+ utility is also shit unless there's ways to cheese shit with Dave or Ring of Cheese, which is not exceptionally useful outside of a handful of dungeons.

[undone sun]

same lala

i don't find it enjoyable to play in the slightest

[final mist]

And wowwee, it's almost like I just said immediately before and after that, that these don't effect 99% of the playerbase and that having fun tanking is subjective.

Case in point, I enjoy BRM - Lala and Thyme (whom are both close friends of mine) do not.

Thank you for ignoring my entire point and simultaneously proving it at the same time.

[undone sun]

👌

[final mist]

[solid sun]

Can I be your close friend, too?

[undone sun]

what else am i here for sal

[final mist]

@solid sun no sorry, my friend list is full

To Parrot me ofc, Thyme

[undone sun]

tru

[solid sun]

That's why rhinos are endangered. No room on the friends list for us

[chilly brook]

When did they remove tiger palm

Pretty sure it’s still on my bar

[half rapids]

Does prot have an off-hand swing?

[solid sun]

it's an empty shell of what it once was

[half rapids]

asking for a friend of a friend

😛

[chilly brook]

In terms of damage sure

In terms of what it actually does for you no

[half rapids]

Alright

ty

[final mist]

Face Palm, Tiger Palm, I get them mixed up, whatever. You're still ignoring my point.

[chilly brook]

The only “shit” that BrM has is “weak utility” in M+ which is nothing new

[final mist]

Yes, which is still a shitty, subjective thing about the class.

[sweet kettle]

monk has weak utility?

[chilly brook]

Still going to probably be a popular pick for M+

[final mist]

Arguably they have more utility than they did in Legion, but they still have less than a significant number of the other tanks, which is a "negative" point.

[chilly brook]

Less than 2 tanks really lol

[sweet kettle]

yeah but there utility is pretty strong

[stark sage]

i think this is a case of grass is always greener.

[final mist]

It's strong situationally, yes. Most of the other tanks have a baseline amount of CC and utility that will outweigh the occasionally Ring of Cheese cast or Dave Taunt meme.

[chilly brook]

Hmmmmm 🤔

1 stun check

1 kiting ability check

Aoe fear nope

[final mist]

DH and DK utility is bonkers, Paladin utility isn't as overtly prominent, but their group utility is incredibly powerful, and Bears have a nice balance of group utility and enemy CC that is generally always useful.

I'm not talking specifically about Warriors.

[chilly brook]

Oh so you’re just talking about the 2 retard tier tanks that continue to be retard tier

Bears don’t have much that nothing else can do

Outside of sooth which surprise surprise a healer can bring

Paladin’s group utility is same as it’s been

[topaz vapor]

Quick question regarding Prot in BFA,
I'm trying to decide between BrM and Warrior. I've tanked heroic with both since the Pre-Patch. At the moment Warrior feels... odd with Ignore Pain on CD but works fine with the current 4 set bonus. I can stack Ignore pain up quite high in anticipation of a big hit. So between BrM and Warrior, Warrior seems stronger to me and my healers. But in BFA with the 4 set gone and the ability to stack Ignore Pain. Would Warriors just.... squish?

[final mist]

Again, you're taking one part of my entire statement and just cherry picking parts, which proves the whole other point that you cherry picked from to start this.

[stark sage]

IP is not your primary defensive, shield block is @topaz vapor

[chilly brook]

No not cherry picking, addressing the points you’re making

[charred vigil]

Dk utility is pretty good

[chilly brook]

Of course it is

Grip is the single best utility you could give a tank

[charred vigil]

i do like ring of peace for sanguine though

[final mist]

Which is, what? That BRM have negatives like I said they did, just as all tanks do? And that players like to cherry pick or hard focus on single statements in a vacuum which they then spread like gospel?

[chilly brook]

Hence why I said what he’s really saying is that when he says “monk utility is worse than other tanks” he really just means DH and DK

It’s literally a wash between the rest

[final mist]

I would argue that Paladin's utility outweighs, again, the occasional Dave or RoP cheese.

For reference

That's all the utility each tank has.

[chilly brook]

Amount of abilities=/=usefulness

Freedom for example rarely all that useful outside of very specific situations

[sweet kettle]

it all comes down to who is the easiest tank to perform cheese in a high m+ scenario
outside of that everytank works

[uneven mason]

But when it is usful

Basically

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t call 75 tier “utility” unless you’re picking hand of the protector

Blinding light on 45 is meh

Repentance meh

[sweet kettle]

final stand is pretty good

[uneven mason]

Blinding Light???? AE Interrupt?

[chilly brook]

90 tier, aegis of light is the only meaningful utility

[uneven mason]

literal wat

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason you realize a lot of “need to be interrupted” mobs can’t be cc’d?

[sweet kettle]

Conc ground is good for kite

[chilly brook]

Same value as ROP tbh

For kiting

And kiting requires a lot more group wise now

[stark sage]

why are we arguing about the m+ viability of monks vs paladins

[hot locust]

Because we're warri-.... uh...

[undone sun]

warriuhs is my favorite tank

[hot locust]

same tbh

thats why IP is on GCD clearly

they are stammering and trying to figure out what to shout

so it slows you down

C L A S S F A N T A S Y

[undone sun]

👌

[solid sun]

I thought it was because we accidentally bite our tongues when we heroic leap

And there's no ignoring that pain

[jovial forge]

Xalzaix's Veiled Eye seems to be a strong trinket for those hard hits

[wet jungle]

Quick question, How do you all think Prot will hold up in Prog Raiding?

[sick sentinel]

Man I eat dinner with the fam and @final mist calls Tiger Palm “face palm” and literally makes my night. I love this discord 👌😂

[uneven mason]

Ignore pain is on the GCD because it involves reaching into our belt pouch and grab a handful of PCP to snort, I'd say 1.5s is amazingly fast for this.

[viral adder]

Again war tank will be a meme for bfa

[sick sentinel]

I won’t be a meme, thank you very much. I will be a magnificent Mag’har orc

[viral adder]

XD

[charred vigil]

I have children,,i dont know what "meme for Bfa" means

[viral adder]

change class hurry up !

[sick sentinel]

shiiiiiiiidddd

Me and Joe asking the kids to turn it down and get off our lawn

[somber dragon]

does the phrase "dicks out for harambe" mean anything to you @charred vigil ?

[sick sentinel]

🍆

[charred vigil]

I do know that one

thats right Tobit

[somber dragon]

ok, so you can eventually develop a translation for this younger generation's speak as I have 😄

[charred vigil]

get them kids that mac and cheese so i can make raid

[sick sentinel]

nods

I might slip my 3 some of Lynchburg’s finest Monday night

[wet jungle]

How do you all think Prot will hold up in Prog Raiding?

[somber dragon]

with the usual raid timings, i have to use the "break" the raid groups i've been in to feed my cats 😄

[sick sentinel]

“Chirren this is Uncle JD”

[somber dragon]

in raiding? absofuckinglotely fine

[charred vigil]

not sure, i'm trying to decide between prot warrior or blood dk

[uneven mason]

If you're asking, it doesn't matter.

[final mist]

Oi, get back on topic or take the memeing to #off-topic.

[somber dragon]

with the "team" of a raid behind you, there's virtually no difference between the tanks in survivablity outside of monks being stupid strong and DH being stupid paper last time i checked

[final mist]

This is not the channel for it.

[somber dragon]

at least at generally shit gear levels when i give things a whirl on them 😄

[sick sentinel]

I figured some meme time was better than the “how is warrior for prog raids” again 😞

[sacred yarrow]

I mean it is a class discord to help and discuss things...

[uneven mason]

Prot warrior at 120 - Have good shield? No: NOT THEFACENOTTHEFACE; Yes: "Thought they wanted the healers to have something todo?"

[sacred yarrow]

Not be morons

[somber dragon]

just for future reference, approximately what ilvl does "good" shield begin?

[sacred yarrow]

Not everyone is around when a question is answered so they get asked multiple times

[uneven mason]

I dunno, you'll know it when you see it.

[tiny sphinx]

wonder if weapons/shields are going to have unique stats/passives or if they are going to be like diorblo3 when it first launched

[uneven mason]

Kidding, basically a shield of the item level of the content you're doing will be more than enough to feel "Good"

[somber dragon]

there's already a few proc weapons, and i think the "usual suspect" secondaries/sockets can happen to weapons too?

[dire oasis]

@errant ledge plz refrain from inflating sense's ego anymore, i've been raiding with him for like 10 years and can't handle it growing anymore

[uneven mason]

So its really only until you get your first M0 shield drop that you'll feel a bit squishy

[stark sage]

yeah it will be like upgrading your weapon as a dps, biggest impact to your performance but not going to completely destroy you if your shield is a little behind

[somber dragon]

but it's not gonna be a rngeezuz lootfest of random stats on a boss drop

[uneven mason]

Like hitting 120, the first few dungeons mightb e rough unless you get a shield of 300+ off the deck

once you have a Mythic dungeon shield you're probably ok to walk into the raid

[somber dragon]

like i was going through bank bags on some old toons that had weapons that had procs on them as part of the basic "list" and i had a moment of reminiscing of like "that's smeggin awesome"

[uneven mason]

*pending final tuning

[sacred yarrow]

Do you guys think our block scaling is going to get overpowerd? the numbers make it seem like it is going to be super strong.

[stark sage]

well bliz can adjust the K value for block to stop wild scaling

[sacred yarrow]

True

[somber dragon]

i think it is something they are going to definitely have to adjust

unless we're supposed to have low variance between the dmg absorbed by a block and a crit block

[sick sentinel]

It got crazy in Cata, didn’t it? Couldn’t War and Pally block all white melee boss swings by the beginning of Firelands?

[uneven mason]

our high block compensates for the lack of 'pillow" that the other tanks enjoy in larger health pools more or less.

Cata worked on a single roll system

[somber dragon]

you could totally defense cap in cata

or wotlk for sure... cata is fuzzy

[uneven mason]

Parry/Dodge/Miss/Block were all a single roll and our Block % could "overflow", anything beyond pushing hits fully off the table would turn into Critical blocks for us

[somber dragon]

jeesus christ it just hit me that wotlk was "3" and we're on "8" 😄

[stark sage]

defense cap was just a requirement for raiding, expected of every tank

[stiff gate]

being able to buy azerite traits finally feels good, i tried a kind of meme build of azerite veins/impassive visage/IP buff traits to see how much healing it was and it felt like a lot

[uneven mason]

So Warriors were like, unhittable/60% Critical block

[sick sentinel]

I remembered it being insane

[uneven mason]

Back in TBC you could become unhittable through massive block rating, (thanks ZA gear, you give me rage)

[stark sage]

avoidance cap was probably what you were referring to, back when you could stack parry/dodge/block super high

[somber dragon]

being unhittable was part of what made threat matter, since a dps that ripped it was gonna get a fist up ther poop chute 😄

[uneven mason]

But block stopped far less damage and more or less serveed as the basic way of not being Crushed (150% damage hits)

since you had to push every other option off the table

[somber dragon]

skulls could still "crush" as a normal hit back then i think too?

[sick sentinel]

Man stuff disarmed you back then. I’m so glad that’s not a thing anymore

[somber dragon]

AUCHENI DUNGEONS IN BC BITCHES

[uneven mason]

Slaytanical, true story, many guilds used a Rogue to tank Illidan because they could reach "unhittable" levels earlier than warriors.

[somber dragon]

the fucking horror

i remember those days

i was a massochist healer back then

FUCK HERDING CATS

it is scientifically impossible without food

[uneven mason]

I forced my guild to give into my whims and managed to defense cap my Enhance shaman and tanked Heroic Shattered Halls with him.

[somber dragon]

or tazers

😄 😄 😄

[uneven mason]

I did it once

[somber dragon]

that is fucking awesome

i had a guild that let me really farm up gear for DW frost tanking and blood tanking before it got super easy to be a badass with it 😄

[tiny sphinx]

rogues were originally going to be a tank class in the pre alpha, with a different shield class- bucklers

it was scrapped as you might imagine, blizzard opted for the watering the beer down approach as it has since the game's inception

[somber dragon]

it's fun digging into wow/everquest history and finding the ttrpg-influenced mechanics again

yanno what, i'm going to accept that i'm a mediocre/average warrior tank at best right now, but i'm gonna be at least a "mild" badass by the time bfa is over 😄

[sick sentinel]

just save shield block for Shear and it never applied smh

[somber dragon]

?

[sick sentinel]

on Illidan back in TBC.

Shear was one of the abilities if you parry/dodge/blocked it, it never applied. fully negated.

[uneven mason]

Since he dualwielded there was times he'd eat both charges right before shear

But yeah TBC was all abot the gimmic tanks

Holydin tanking adds, Warlock tanking demon withins, Mage tanking, Resto druid tanking..

[somber dragon]

warlock tanking had another moment on mimiron 😄

(in wrath of course)

SL tank yo

[tiny sphinx]

mage tanking for high king was neat

but I am glad boss parry hasting is gone, that shit was goddamn infuriating and caused aneurisms on brutallus

[sick sentinel]

shear had a cast time (I think 1sec) to allow predictable shield blocking. he also did a specific animation for it.

[onyx vessel]

In legion warriors were like whats damage taken now they like well shit i accually need heals

Our 2set should be while avatar is up ignore pain is off gcd

Lul

Never gonna happen but i can dream

[somber dragon]

pssst

tier sets are gone 😄

maybe we'll getone like "reduces gcd of IP by 50% (static) and has a 5% (stacking) chance when casting IP to cause the next IP within 10 seconds to cost 50% (static) less" 😄

[astral crystal]

10% chance to automatically cast IP

like bears who have 10% chance to get a free stack of ironfur

[somber dragon]

i like how this leaves the "timing" in my hands

but i see how they could just copypasta the code (or gasp pass variables to a function!) for us

just out of morbid curiosity... is the garrison tanking dummy a skull or a "100"?

[somber dragon]

O.o does SB push anything above 100% into critical block chance by any chance? 😄

or is 123% with it up just as useful as 100.0000000001%?

[fierce juniper]

going over 100% block doesn't do anything

[somber dragon]

so it's probably just an easy way to code it to "always work" no matter what your inherent block is at 😄

[opal coyote]

Hello is anyone online to answer a question for me

I just boosted a level 110 warrior tank. I want to get the hidden apperance for Tank spec. I have seen multiple videos of how to get it but all 2 years old and different. Is there a certain way i need to do it now we are at 8.0?

If anyone could answer my question will be much appreiciated

[astral crystal]

it's random

one of those guides should provide a script you run that tells you whether or not the shield spawns that day

you can find it in that one cave you helped ebonhorn at in highmountain

i forget the name

[opal coyote]

I understand how it works but some people are saying it isnt daily and you can just log out and log back in again and keep doing that

[astral crystal]

that's how it was at the beginning

[opal coyote]

Since i was hoping to get it before the new expansion or im not even going to attempt it

[astral crystal]

but that was patched out shortly after it was discovered

and changed to a daily chance

[opal coyote]

So even now it is daily? that sucks but it is what it is

[astral crystal]

ye

[opal coyote]

Ok thanks

Time to not play this character for a year until i level my alts to 120

thanks for the help

[junior ivy]

HOW DO I AVOID DYING TO DESTRUCTOR TENTACLE 😡

[undone sun]

reflect the dot or use a cd

[astral crystal]

Spell reflect as soon as you pull it

[junior ivy]

I AM REFLECTING

😡

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral crystal]

Eat its ass 😤

[junior ivy]

I LITERALLY CANT SURVIVE IT

im so confused help

[tiny sphinx]

at what levul?

[junior ivy]

its +21

😦

[tiny sphinx]

resort to blaming healer

[junior ivy]

😦

healer is nice

i had spell reflect up.

how can i possibly survive that

[tiny sphinx]

rename game directory folder to 7.3.5 or 7.5, dealer's choice

[waxen cradle]

Or play a DK or DH >_>

[junior ivy]

but seriously guys

what do i do

[waxen cradle]

jk

[junior ivy]

we wiped so many times now