calling it, "+1, no warrior tanks"
#protection
fresh idol
sick sentinel
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limber tulip
What would blizzard have to do to fix prot do you guys thing
fresh idol
😢
limber tulip
Think
weary notch
fix?
fresh idol
delete it from the game
sick sentinel
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fresh idol
save us the pain
sick sentinel
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fresh idol
bring back mop prot warrior
sick sentinel
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fresh idol
or wod
sick sentinel
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main vault
I'm ok with getting rid of ignore pain
limber tulip
Okay fix is a bad word
sick sentinel
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fresh idol
wasnt mop prot warrior great?
limber tulip
But to make it more competitive I guess
sick sentinel
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fresh idol
i never played ive only heard things about it
tiny sphinx
give battlecry back and bake in 2pc t21
weary notch
IP is awful, but the idea that prot is broken is ludicrous.
sick sentinel
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limber tulip
Yeah bad choice of word
fresh idol
what about 100% damage absorption
main vault
Sara is such an instigator
sick sentinel
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limber tulip
Only with you nex
fresh idol
off gcd and 100% damage absorb
limber tulip
But I know fuck all about warrior apart from the basics
fresh idol
and double the size of the shield
sick sentinel
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limber tulip
Is bolster still a thing
sick sentinel
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weary notch
and someone should pin this: do you all raid in all greens? Does your whole raid group only use greens? That's the equivalent of what Method is doing. They're pushing the classes to a point where no one else EVER will
limber tulip
Well
sick sentinel
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limber tulip
I wouldnt linitit to method
weary notch
I'm not saying they're literally using greens
limber tulip
But top 10-20 is definitely different than the rest
weary notch
but the equivalency is the same. It's a whole different game. it's like playing overwatch one-handed
limber tulip
How else do I spank it while following widow around @weary notch
<insert creative kappa here>
weary notch
@limber tulip if that's not actually your puppy I'm going to be mad at you
limber tulip
It’s my pup
signal plover
Dis too
weary notch
I'm still mad at you because it's not my puppy
limber tulip
weary notch
d'awwg
signal plover
WHOA OFF TOPIC HOW DARE U
potent peak
doggos are life!
limber tulip
Thyme no ban
signal plover
Don't tell Cosmo he hates doggos
weary notch
WHAT?
signal plover
Tru story
weary notch
Cosmo, please ban yourself
signal plover
Dis is why I don't pop on here at night. Too risky
limber tulip
Dun worry the swede is asleep
signal plover
Do we have a State of Prot Warr bingo board/drinking game yet?
undone sun
signal plover
Dis fuckin guy
limber tulip
👋
tiny sphinx
what kind of psychopath do you have to be to not like doggos?!
limber tulip
Hey thyme
undone sun
👋
signal plover
Heroic strike obv
undone sun
Revert it back to 7.3.5 prot, done.
limber tulip
Ez
signal plover
Well our job here is done
weary notch
tiny sphinx
give warrior polearm+shield and more ranged abilities and a chavalier mount like paladins get that control enemies positions and rename the class to lancer/dragoon/chevalier
limber tulip
Thyme can you convince shan to use my pfp suggestion
undone sun
Lol
ember arrow
More dps
crimson quarry
victory procs off auto attack 😛
weary notch
Shield Slam crit procs free Heroic Strike
ember arrow
Ss crit procs NF
weary notch
BS = Bloodlust
"Your successful blocks proc Bladestorm, drawing all enemies within 100yds to your location"
full spruce
I miss the party of changing discord avatars to your dogs?
ember arrow
BANNED
river otter
Just got Ember of Nullification ilvl 245 from the weekly chest, it is 40 ilvls above my lowest ilvl trinket which is Shifting Cosmic Silver. It does'nt really seem worth to change trinket since I lose the ability to reduce my Shield wall cd by a lot in boss fights
undone sun
it's better solely based on main stat
neither are strong defensive trinkets
ember arrow
SCS has been a pretty subpar trinket throughout legion, and still is
unless you need SW more often for specific mechanics, and that cant be achieved with normal gameplay, and SW will save you from death, only then SCS is useful
cosmic cargo
you were generally better off swapping to ring over using that thing
if you really needed extra SW
plucky night
I'd def use ember in that situation @river otter. not sure where you got the idea to run scs on a prot war
errant coral
hey guys, just wanted to know how many people will be sticking with prot in bfa and who will be changing mains? just curious
strong forum
Not many are switching mains, and most have not mained 1 tank specifically
sick sentinel
Prot is fine. Sticking prot.
old zephyr
Will stick to prot
jagged bay
same
kind urchin
I am prot.
tight tree
Sticking to warrior. Will level Brewmaster/Vengeance in case team need.
Other tanks may or may not have more tools, but what they don't have, is that JOOCY SHIELD SLAM
uneven mason
Hitting people with a car door = best utility.
hollow oxide
Im switching to Monk and Dh
river otter
@plucky night I had the idea because it was better than the statstick I had :p
I am staying with prot, been playing it since WotLK on and off
tight tree
I have bulwark of azzinoth, WoD CM slab of steel, and mage tower shield. That is about enough utility i need.
Goes with any transmog, never go out of fashion.
uneven mason
The world drop upgrade to Azzinoth +++ high res textures
However, I can't use it
It should be renamed Bulwark of Clipping
tight tree
Nah bulwark+t6 = eternal classic
uneven mason
T20+ High Res Bulwark has replaced it
when you play at 4k
those old textures
*shiver
T4 used to be my favorite set until I went UHD
T4 + Kings Defender and the nightbane shield
but them pixels
uneven mason
T19 + Hidden is solid
unique echo
I'm having such a hard time deciding between prot warrior/bdk 😦 I know BDK's are currently looking rough with the low haste and nerfed down self sustain.. how are prot warriors azerite traits looking for filling in some of our holes?
worthy yoke
Have you done any looking yourself?
uneven mason
We have holes?
I mean, the buff to the IP one kind've addresses the whole "IP doesn't feel worth pressing" in some way
unique echo
This is my looking into myself rather than stay uninformed or create my own opinion. Sorry Ikar, what buff did IP get? Been out of town for the past week and now have the next 3 off to get into bfa
uneven mason
Oh, the azerite trait, increases the absorb of IP by a pretty sizeable chunk.
or did they reduce it again...wowhead might not be updated I guess.
main vault
At this point if you have to ask it doesn't matter what you play
So pick what you have the most fun with
frigid pawn
aka pick brm
main vault
Not everyone has fun with Monk
frigid pawn
👌
uneven mason
were you all hyped and ready to start digging into the meth stockpile
uneven mason
Oh
main vault
So I had planned everything from then
uneven mason
🖕 to ya'll who can't swpa your vacation time
main vault
Well I don't work since I moved home
And school doesn't start till the 20th
So I'm good
somber folio
bfa drops next wednesday?
main vault
Depends where you are
main vault
CEST I think is 00:00 Tuesday
So Monday night
Either CEST or GMT
So in my head I was just thinking Tuesday and didn't do the math that really it's like 5pm here
cosmic cargo
it's technically on monday if you're UK timezone
tuesday if any timezone east of that
main vault
So then CEST
cold wren
Hype boys
frigid pawn
and normal mythic dungeons open after weekly reset
opaque pagoda
I see the wowhead article by the method guy has Prot Warrior listed as tank #6 out of 6 for Mythic+
main vault
Tbf
frigid pawn
you mean jdotb?
main vault
He said bear was there only because someone had to be
opaque pagoda
Okay, tied for last, fair distinction
frigid pawn
what i have watched his streams i haven't seen him play with warrior tank even once
frigid pawn
true, sloot did couple +10 with warrior
opaque pagoda
I think I have to conclude that shield of the righteous offering an armor buff makes it basically just better than shield block
Especially since you can still block while it’s up
opaque pagoda
Well, shield block has always had a big question mark as to whether it works on any given mob ability
It’s an arbitrary roll of the dice as far as I can tell
But armor is armor
cosmic cargo
generally every big physical hit is blockable though
opaque pagoda
I don’t know, I’m just struggling to figure out why I should play my Prot Warrior
cosmic cargo
key word generally
opaque pagoda
I’ve invested a shitload of time into getting Warrior transmogs including arena sets
But they feel pretty outclasses right now
opaque pagoda
I really only play plate classes, for transmog collection reasons 😐
I mean, I did all 36 mage tower challenges, OBVIOUSLY
But in general play
uneven mason
I mean, I just don't feel it on the paladin, but Warriors are almost aways out utilitied by the other classes, its kind've our curse, we're warriors, we don't pray to electric windchimes or drink demon juju to fuel our stuff, we grab metal things and yell and hit things
grim prism
In what way do you personally feel outclassed as a prot war? iirc there were not a great many instances of physical attacks being unblockable last expac
frigid pawn
biggest draw for me is the potential damage prot warrior can dish out
opaque pagoda
Just random things here and there, I think like the mortal strike that mobs do in arcway
Prot paladins do ridiculous AoE with seraphim, I’m not sure how that compares to avatar tc spam
grim prism
Those are things you will learn and play around, just as you will find things that require workarounds on another class
ember arrow
the mobs that do mortal strike are ALWAYs skipped
heavy isle
@Krom Seraphim is more or less dead in BFA.
grim prism
Apparently they arent ALWAYS skipped lol
ember arrow
if you pull them you pull unneccesary mobs
for getting 100% they are never needed
on teeming u shroud them
cosmic cargo
@heavy isle not for dps
heavy isle
From what I've read it's considered weaker since Sotr now cleaves.
cosmic cargo
you need a lot of targets for that to be true in terms of raw dps
like 5 constant targets, maybe 6
astral crystal
magic turret
@spice saddle No, Blizzard will likely deem warriors to be fine as we can just pop enrage.
opaque pagoda
It’s interesting that shield of the righteous does AoE damage but ignore Pain is just a pause button
gilded scroll
Pally single target damage is lowest out of all tanks last I checked so you got that
opaque pagoda
I actually think it would feel a lot better if IP did AoE damage (and maybe were renamed accordingly)
young harbor
this may have been covered elsewhere, but how are they doing itemization on shields? will we be competing with healers for shield drops?
gleaming thicket
*explain the feelings behind it
i feel like a turkey with head cut off gathering agro on +8s from the beta
its kind of scary
young harbor
Thanks @spice saddle
gleaming thicket
i wish we could have rend still and spread it with thunderclap like in cata
ember arrow
lol
main vault
SotR is AM and IP isnt
The only logical comparison would be with shield block not doing damage
Not IP
opaque pagoda
It doesn’t have to be a direct parallel
uneven mason
Can't get TF on shields right?
opaque pagoda
The point is that SotR doesn’t have to do damage, and yet it does
Whereas IP probably should do damage, since it’s on the GCD
And right now just feels like an awkward wrench thrown into the combat cycle
cosmic cargo
LoTP is something you use after you get hit, IP is generally before
grim prism
Do IP absorbs, being considered heals, not generate threat?
cosmic cargo
which makes it more awkward in dungeon
grim prism
Not that it would be significant regardless
cosmic cargo
self heals don't give threat
tank ones at least
and i miswrote before
meant dungeon
grim prism
Makes sense
main vault
It does have to be a direct parallel
It's interesting that Survival Instincts doesn't increase HP when Last Stand does
main vault
It's interesting that Colossus Smash gives a dmg increase when Smash doesn't
Warrior is actually the perfect cotank
gleaming thicket
no doubt IP feels like dick to press
main vault
It does
But it's such a small part now it doesn't effect much
If you never push it, it can't feel bad
prisma crane
Why annoyed that indom affect HP instead of Stam?
gleaming thicket
yea but is that the direction we want to go in?
main vault
Why not?
IP was never meant to be main mitigation
It's always meant to be supplemental
gleaming thicket
if we never press it it cant feel bad - thats true but it doesnt solve the glaring problem of atrocious design
its just bad
main vault
It needs deleted tbh, not changed
opaque pagoda
I’d rather they just removed IP and added some other damage skill with a rage cost, if IP is going to be so shitty
It could just give leech for 8 seconds like consumption
cosmic cargo
i'd say make IP a heal but then warriors are just paladins
opaque pagoda
Does doing damage make sense? Do you like doing damage?
main vault
As soon as people quit seeing IP as what is was in Legion then the picture becomes clearer
cosmic cargo
then it's just revenge
opaque pagoda
Because leech is a good reward for doing damage
prisma crane
yes but blizzard very clearly cares about class fantasy, etc, and having a "normal dude" leech makes no sense, whereas shrugging off pain does
cosmic cargo
honestly having IP eat more rage and scale with rage spent like legion would make it a lot nicer
prisma crane
I'm not saying IP is great, but it makes sense at least
gleaming thicket
i agree
main vault
I think the current iteration makes more sense than Legion iteration
gleaming thicket
flat cost feels shit
cosmic cargo
60 like legion would be fine imo, still allows you to do SB after IP from full rage
cosmic cargo
that'd be silly
uneven mason
Why
cosmic cargo
very silly
uneven mason
that sounds horrible
main vault
A free oh shit
gleaming thicket
as long as our damage is high relative to other tanks i dont mind waiting on IP changes
gleaming thicket
im only talking about damage
gleaming thicket
i didnt say we were, i thought the opposite
i just meant that as long as we are top 3 or so
for damage
uneven mason
watch sense run some dungeons
gleaming thicket
ill be ok waiting
cosmic cargo
dh is better in m+ because of utility, not dps
uneven mason
Prot warriors are bulldozers
gleaming thicket
it feels good playing Am booming voice
cosmic cargo
they are probably second in aoe though
uneven mason
mmhmm
I mean, the REAL reason why they don't have IP off the GCD
is because they don't want us to have a "spammable" off GCD rage dump
because AM is powerful as is.
Imagine if we dind't have to burn GCDs to cycle it.
Like ABT
gleaming thicket
more important than all of the things we are talking about - is that I cant name my new character Felchampion because of the word felch
but Buttgrape and Rawboner is ok
main vault
I'm concerned you even know that
gleaming thicket
waiting on live chat to open to ask what felch means
i want to see them say it
so i can ask if they are pervert
sick sentinel
I think that would make you one?
gleaming thicket
the one time im not trying to sneak an inappropriate word in to my name and they tell me no
nah not at all
i want fel-champion
they see felch
thats on them
sick sentinel
But you still knew what it meant?
sick sentinel
I don't think any adult would even know that was a word. 😛
Eminem USED to be good, when I was a kid.
Now he's just a washed up 40 year old.
gleaming thicket
well im an adult and i listen to eminem and thats why i know what it means
me too
im 28 and while i only like his early stuff
i still heard the rest growing up
including his song about felching
main vault
I like eminim and I'm 32
plain ice
wtf is felch
gleaming thicket
ask a gm
gleaming thicket
they are the pervs making these restrictions
main vault
(1) verb. The act of sucking or licking ejaculate
usually out of a butthole
plain ice
LOL
gleaming thicket
or some oraphice
main vault
I never knew that
gleaming thicket
again i just want Felchampion
plain ice
i was forced to change my name back in vanilla because i named my warrior nutbuster
main vault
I must not be young enough
plain ice
😦
gleaming thicket
not Felchampion
plain ice
i want nutbuster back
gleaming thicket
i see Micoxbig and Sugmanuts everywhere
in one minute im opening live chat to ask
why i cant be a champion of the fel, that is - Felchampion
we just defeated the fel and i wan tot be Felchampion
plain ice
especially because an ampion isn't a thing
plain ice
LET US KNOW
grim prism
So far I've won four free name changes from Blizz! Isnt that nice?
gleaming thicket
i apologize
grim prism
Idk, in German that is commonly referred to as "der squigglisch B thing"
dusky rampart
Is IP really that lacklustre? Playing on my 320 beta character the damage prevented is 1/6th of my health pool
ember arrow
Sal. Any tank chat is offtopic
grim prism
Its not great but it's not the end of the world
vestal kiln
I've read quite a lot about war tanks in BFA (this is purely for M+). I've seen the tank rankings / etc. As a newer player, who just wants to do M+ tanking and won't exactly be in a group of 5 all the time, mainly pugging + 2-3 randoms. Will prot be ok or a hinderance? Could it actually be that people wouldn't invite prot
fresh idol
a group that denies you because you play a certain spec is not a group worth joining in the first place
play what you find fun and thats all that matters
ember arrow
Well at some point prot will be outclassed for m+. But unless you push the highest keys it wont matter much
cloud bone
I assume for the usual 10/15 you'll be fine
uneven mason
If you want to do MDI level shit for dungeons you're going to have every tank leveled anyway.
Just so you're ready incase they nerf/buff or certain tanks are stronger in some dungeons
uneven mason
I do, I have 3 protection warriors
ember arrow
Really
ember arrow
Why
uneven mason
I like leveling warriors
ember arrow
3 of same class
uneven mason
28 of same class, 3 that are level capped.
Mostly because I played both horde/alliance at the same time
uneven mason
and then I "catch up" my original main warrior every expansion
I mean, I have a BrM, Guardian Druid, Prot paladin BDK as well
solid sun
Do you have any non-warrior tanks
uneven mason
yeah, I have all but VDH
cause I never could get into leveling my DH
felt like a rogue at a rave
unique echo
I'm in the same boat BL1TZ (not the multiples of same toon) but do a bit of raid tanking as well and am stuck between BDK and prot warrior
solid sun
Do you have a max level warrior that you play fury/arms
uneven mason
but i never really raided/dungeon on him
I play all 3 specs on my horde main, Prot/fury on the alliance (mostly because of dick luck with Relics)
ember arrow
Whats the point of having toons and not doing as hard aa possible content on em
uneven mason
I just didn't like playing the VDH.
about every tank felt better than him, besides druid.
and Druid I played because if I wanted to not think for a raid
I'd load him up
solid sun
I know someone who has a druid specifically to gather mats with
uneven mason
tauren Druid max level alchemy farm
cloud bone
jeez and I thought I was insane for having 15 max level toons
mine are atleast different classes
grim prism
Kind of late to the convo here
But I've always been of the mindset that if you're the type of player who needs to be told what to play, it really doesn't matter in the first place what you end up picking
If you dont know enough about any one spec to make it viable and want to just run FotM, chances are you aren't exactly the type of person who is driven to self-improve
uneven mason
Balsaq with the reality check.
robust urchin
I dunno how much you can trust someone calls Ballsack
astral crystal
im pretty sure the average tank player isn't aware or vocal enough to track and call for externals
so they'd rather just play druid or something
grim prism
Conversely, people who play at high levels generally don't need to be told what is optimal because they have enough experience to make any spec viable, and at higher-level content they will already know the pros and cons of their spec
astral crystal
or*
robust urchin
oh ok
grim prism
Or, know your raid comp and ask for specific externals proactively
astral crystal
yeah
grim prism
EXRT is/was great for tracking your team's coolies
molten radish
Rip prot
astral crystal
it's little things like t hose that would probably improve not only people's play but their perception of what tanks are 'viable'
grim prism
Knowing externals and calling them is a minimal effort that has huge rewards
robust urchin
i hope he wont
grim prism
I would really hope that knowing and calling your raid team's coolies is a common practice at mythic levela
grim prism
Knowing my team's externals is how we got Krosus
astral crystal
bfa launches at 6 EST for me, some real monkaS shit
grim prism
Shit is important fellas
robust urchin
i used to raid in a guild where i would get power infusion as a external
I didnt stick around for long
limber tulip
did you just die right after
grim prism
Lol
limber tulip
makes sense as to why you didnt stick around on that pull
solid sun
@grim prism I'm not a mythic raiders, but I am being asked to take over raid leading and tanking for a F&F guild that wants to try clearing heroic in BfA. What would you suggest to help me keep track of externals and know when to call for them
uneven mason
ert
robust urchin
F&F guild
grim prism
Exorsus Raid Tools (EXRT)
robust urchin
Don't
uneven mason
Nothing wrong with F&F guild..
grim prism
Great for tracking what healers have which cooldowns at a glance
robust urchin
I have been in exactly 3 of them and it just has been horrible all the time
frigid pawn
trick to heroic guilds is to clear content once you have overgeared it all
grim prism
There is also a WeakAuras suite that does basically the same thing. I dont remember the name but it shouldnt be hard to find if it still exists lol
But EXRT, with 5 mins of setup tweaks, shows exactly who has what and how long the cooldowns are
Impresses the fuck out of raid leaders to call a specific external too 😎
robust urchin
i used to intervene my co tank when a boss had a stack mechanich and would blame the tank for fucking up
solid sun
Lol, alright.
robust urchin
Good times
solid sun
It doesn't require other raid members to have the addon does it
uneven mason
I don't think so.
miss me some hermes
preferred that over ERT for tracking externals
grim prism
No it does not
final mist
Check out Tehr's WA for tracking CDs if you don't like / don't want to set up ERT.
solid sun
Alrighty
final mist
You typically might not know when / if your cotank needs a CD.
uneven mason
So, best practice, is plan externals
same with healing CDs
Make sure you create an order of who will use when, leave 1 for wiggle room (for an actual O CRAP moment)
Otherwise you're going to end up with a Revival and 2 Tranquilities going off at once
and then nothing left for the next burst
Best way to assure tank survivability is to make sure the rest of the raid is taken care of, that means pre planning the healing CDs so that healers don't OOM or have to scramble ever.
solid sun
Is watching Fatboss or something similar on YouTube how that's typically figured out? Watch the fight a few times and determine then how you want the CDs used
uneven mason
Fatboss is a quick and dirty generally
they'll tell you the abilities and what they do, most times how often its done
grim prism
Practice, mainly
Just put in wipes and refine the process
Best way to optimize the fight
uneven mason
Yeah, I mean, read the dungeon journal, watch DBM, watch other kill videos
grim prism
Some RLs pre-plan and that's totally fine
signal plover
Fatboss and quick in the same sentence ayyyy
uneven mason
especially with a F&F type guild, no matter how hard you plan, it wont survive until they see it for themselves
grim prism
But you will usually have unforeseen issues once you start pulling
uneven mason
But something as simple as "when I call for a healing CD - Healer A uses their, then B, then C etc.."
is a good preptalk
Like, something to cover before the pulls
it avoids your major issue like I stated above, calling for a healing CD and suddenly 5 go off at once.
Or going "I need an external" and the tank gets 3 at once,
grim prism
Yeah
uneven mason
thus has none left for the next time
solid sun
Makes sense
grim prism
That happens a lot if you dont call a specific one
grim prism
Once you get used to it it's not too hard
uneven mason
^^
grim prism
Ultimately makes it easier on the whole raid
uneven mason
Last time I did hardcore mythic raiding, the #1 reason we downed bosses is because our healers could carry the shit out of the raid heh.
cause we'd all pre plan and know where our weakpoints were
course theres no carrying when the hunter disengages across smart stampers
solid sun
Lol
unique echo
BDK's self heal/rune regen rate is expected to get better as the expansion goes and gearing scales higher, are warriors block/sb uptime expected to climb just the same? Or are we going to be more of a linear progression to survivability?
Haven't had the chance to try one @ 120 or in any bfa mythic+/raids on beta
strong forum
SB cd scales with haste
but we dont have a general breakpoint afaik
i would say BDK and Prot scale about the same with haste HOWEVER i dont know shit about BDK so i can only talk about prot
since haste affects us greatly in terms of rage gen and SB uptime i would reckon so
but you can just look at 110 haste levels and make your guesses around that
at 50% we can have 3 consecutive SBs up if you have 2 full stacks
so thats that
uneven mason
"I Need an External" - gets Bloodlust "Yup, that'll do"
uneven mason
Only if you're a cheap facsimile of the real thing.
strong forum
pah
unique echo
Different question, how to prot warriors hold up in pvp? I often do wpvp and bg's (random, not really ranked) and enjoy being the tank. Do we hold our own or more of just a nuisance to healers?
tribal drum
I also have a question -- I can't seem to find stat-weights for current live gameplay. I know it doesn't mean much atm, but I have a bit of gear that I'd like to optimize via Pawn
I checked the pinned and couldn't see any of this
signal plover
I wouldn't worry about stat weights until BFA tbh, I know our Sims were working for dmg prior to pre patch but I don't think they've been finalized for BFA yet.
tribal drum
damn
final mist
There won't be stat weights, since your stat values fluctuate so wildly.
There's a stat priority, but no weights.
strong forum
^
tribal drum
ah, so Pawn is essentially uselesss?
uneven mason
pawn has been usless for warriors since it was created more or less..
final mist
Pawn is a useful tool for DPS specs if you understand how to use it, and do so correctly.
It's widely misused.
uneven mason
Like, it had some weight for arms
unique echo
Damn, I was hoping we'd be at least decent in wpvp/bg's 😦
uneven mason
but Fury our weights were all over the place.
final mist
Pawn has always "worked" for DPS specs if you use it as it's meant to be used.
Throwing in a pawn string and never changing it isn't using it correctly, because of how stat values change.
uneven mason
Medrawr 1v1 Protection is a sitting duck, throw a discp riest on to us though and we're a massive distraction with our AE stuns/roots/knockbacks
astral crystal
speaking of bdk, logged on mine after decades and it feels a lot smoother to play
strong forum
HERESY
unique echo
Why do warriors have to look so badass and dk's have to have so much more self healing 😦
strong forum
because we midigate
and they self suffocate
i mean heal
its simply because its their class philosophy
graceful cloud
What's the general opinion about Prot Warrior in bfa? I really didn't like Legion, felt like you had to do a lot just to be half as good as a dk
uneven mason
I mean the better question would be "Why do warriors take so much less damage than DKs while DKs have so much more self healing"
strong forum
now you have to be twice as good as a BDK
unique echo
I'd like to bank on blizzard sticking with the "every tank will need a healer" over the entirety of BFA, not just at the start. If that were the case, I'd probably pick warrior so I can mitigate and help healers rather than spike and self heal. But I don't trust them to keep that as gear scales
strong forum
idk why it should change
besides tuning nothing can change much
if you cant self sustain in legion currently you most likely wont be in bfa later on
since stats
unless they bring in the meta changing azerite traits
uneven mason
I mean, DKs spiking and self healing was pretty much how it worked all of Legion too
strong forum
that have yet to surface
uneven mason
when healing I never watched a DKs health bar.
I'd watch his runic power
no runic power - he needs healing
has half a bar of RUnic power - dude can drop to 1% and be full in an instant
strong forum
medrawr are you trying to convince yourself to play BDK or do you want us to convince you to play what you want
uneven mason
Now is like, gotta keep em above 50% health otherwise he's gonna hit the floor faster than a GCD
strong forum
and also stop worrying about the future
if you worry about the future you will never be able to enjoy the present
thats some life advice right there
smacks chest
gleaming thicket
i plan to tank on my warrior and blame everyone else
uneven mason
Chances are you'll be the last one standing
strong forum
thats not going to help our image as a class very much :/
astral crystal
by a lot smoother i mean than before 8.0 also **
strong forum
oh
uneven mason
BDK was very uh...
astral crystal
idk why but bdk has always felt like a really slow playstyle tank
astral crystal
now with the gcd changes they feel a lot more adequate
gleaming thicket
i was going to play one in BFA but guys... how you can you give up our mobility
once youve experienced it
its impossible
uneven mason
Roll a monk or VDH
astral crystal
having to talent into wraithwalk
uneven mason
I Mean
astral crystal
what the HEYELL
uneven mason
thats the only way to give up warrior mobility
When your speed boosts are on CD for paladin/DK
gleaming thicket
i cant play bdk for that reason and ill never play vdh because dh is for gays
uneven mason
its worse than the pain of IP being on the GCD
Whys the gays hate?
Neon Rave tank has his place
gleaming thicket
nah i hate dh's
uneven mason
They're toothy
strong forum
i think VDH is fun AF to play
especially when the Spirit bomb meta came to exist
DA DAMOOGE
jovial forge
Which addons should i use for tanking ?
astral crystal
i'm prejudiced against leather tanks personally
how you gonna roll up on a raid wearing loincloth
uneven mason
EXRT to know what externals your raid has available still
Weakauras to track IP, SB
jovial forge
Something that clearly displays which target i have lost aggro of
strong forum
nameplates
main vault
ThreatPlates
astral crystal
KUI nameplates
uneven mason
tidyplates
astral crystal
or threatplates
uneven mason
although tidyplates has a lot more fluff
strong forum
im using elvui nameplates so IDK what that is
strong forum
well there ya go
uneven mason
as is threatplates
jovial forge
thanks
uneven mason
DBM for timers obviously
jovial forge
ye i got dbm
uneven mason
familiarse yourself with just the stuff tanks need to know
jovial forge
I got a profile for tanking in bfa raids
uneven mason
and turn all the excess noise off
main vault
BW op
uneven mason
DBM > BW
jovial forge
BW ?
strong forum
BigWigs
jovial forge
oh
main vault
not even
strong forum
its personal preference in the end
strong forum
either is fine
main vault
I find it's much more often the other way around
uneven mason
cliqu if you like to be fancy with moouseover stuff for intercept and taunt
strong forum
BigWigs is better when you know the fight and want less clutter
DBM is better if you are not 100% familiar with the fight
thats how i look at it
main vault
They have the same settings tho
uneven mason
I Just trim what DBM has
main vault
And can show the same things
strong forum
yes but DBM tells you what to do
uneven mason
yeah more or less they're the same deal
just depends on who is keeping which one up to date
main vault
So does BW....
strong forum
<- hasnt had BigWigs since Cata so IDK
main vault
Oh it's completely different now lol
uneven mason
I mean if you get down to it, and you remove the bossmods the basic UI generally yells at you now
main vault
True story
astral crystal
i run exrt and dbm, havent used bigwigs in a while
grim prism
DBM is for people who get off on being yelled at
uneven mason
I have a nice lady voice doing the yelling on mine
grim prism
A buddy of mine had his boss UI set up to communicate entirely with clown honks and party horns
He was pretty fucking good too, definitely better than I was
If it works for you, it works for you
signal plover
Sheep noises work best for me
waxen cradle
<---- Totally get off on being yelled at... so I use DBM right now but when I know the fight I use BigWigs I technically use both and turn one or other off or on based on the situation... plus getting yelled at gets me all excited and ready to go... sometimes I have the wife yell at me just because >_>
Jk 😛 OR am I ?
waxen cradle
Well it helps me ignore the pain and gets me all randy all at the same time
slow gull
will you using booming or vegance if your doing m0s undergeared at 120
strong forum
booming voice at all times
ember arrow
BV addresses the problem of low haste
If u generate fuck all rage u wont be vengrance weaving much. Rebenge will be rarely used outside proc
grand viper
Hey guys, what talent should I take to execute argus harder in mythic? Guild is trying to kill it and they say my dps isn't high enough??
cedar tapir
wild cosmos
ember arrow
if the dps of a tank is the diff between kill or no kill
they may want to take a look at their own >_>
wild cosmos
@river topaz 😗
ember arrow
the standard rotation is the best dps generally
grim prism
Lmfao
ember arrow
theres not much to optimize as far as im aware
grim prism
@grand viper if you dont have enough DPS to kill a mythic raid boss, it's your DPS' fault
The tank's job is to pick up adds and keep other people from dying to boss melees
Your DPS, though helpful, is completely incidental
ember arrow
if youre comfortable surviving
wild cosmos
@grim prism that's not the right attitude , any dps matters
ember arrow
it IS your job to do as much dps
wild cosmos
and if your dps are not strong enough you can always carry
grand viper
I agree with chaoly
grim prism
Well I have a shitload of 99 parses from yesteryear's tiers that say I know a thing or two about maximizing tank DPS
And I agree that all DPS matters
HOWEVER
grand viper
Wow! Can you link them to me?
grim prism
DPS DPS matters more
ember arrow
tank dps matters in the context of threat too
i had to stop attacking boss so our trial could keep agro today
thats not ... optimal
grim prism
Murdotron-BWL, go look them up if you really want
timid jay
While tank dps does bring a decent amount of damage in
At this point it shouldnt make or break it tbh
grim prism
Doing enough damage to kill bosses is first and foremost a DPS problem
Thats a no-brainer
strong forum
levko how much dps did that trial do?! like 1k or what
grim prism
I mean... I guess I went into this assuming you were doing reasonable DPS in the first place
strong forum
^
grim prism
If you're sandbagging then that's another story
wild cosmos
guys can I share my minmaxing idea with you pls? I theorycrafted it today and I m really proud of it because I only occasionally play prot warrior
grim prism
Especially since your rage gen and expenditure os tied to your rotation
ember arrow
@strong forum i do 2.8k he does 1.5
quiet arrow
:ree:
grim prism
@wild cosmos of course
ember arrow
that was on my dk though
wild cosmos
is your trial a disc priest
ember arrow
idk about warr
grand viper
Wow hey magearn!! You're the dude that helped me before o/
strong forum
depending on fight
ember arrow
@wild cosmos bear tonk
strong forum
which boss
ember arrow
AHC
grand viper
dps doesn't determine how much threat you generate
quiet arrow
dyldodogen what talent is better for warriors that are a fan of the toronooto mapel lifs?
grim prism
@grand viper yes it does
grand viper
u sure?
grim prism
100% sure
strong forum
please tell me you are trolling with that question dyldo
grand viper
i play dps, i don't know about tanking : P
grim prism
It's a flat multiplier of how much damage you do, it is directly proportional to damage
strong forum
monkaS
ember arrow
dps DOES determine ur threat
wild cosmos
@grim prism my minmaxing idea is the following: Whenever you play "into the fray" you should be using the "tundra traveller's mammoth" or the "grand expedition yak" or the "dinosaur with the auction house" (soon TM ) because the NPCs stay around you for some seconds after you dismount so you get some free stacks for a while. You could also position "jeeves" and "katy stampwhistle" close to where the boss is pre pull to get free stacks (haven't checked the latter yet)
grim prism
Also this is #protection and you only have Fury logs
ember arrow
if one tank does very low dps, it fforces other to play worse
grim prism
So you may be in the wrong channel
ember arrow
since he cant do his rotation
strong forum
totally
wild cosmos
I m trying to minmax everything , from my transmog to my tank dps
grand viper
@wild cosmos I used to do that in VoTW
grim prism
@wild cosmos sure, but if youre in a raid you're fairly likely to have enough entities by you to cap out anyway
Not that ive seen any of the fights next tier, just as assumptiom
quiet arrow
🤢
grim prism
Considering you go in there with 19 other friends
wild cosmos
ye I guess I m just saying if you are feeling alone, jeeves and katy can always keep you company
grim prism
Hahah
quiet arrow
wild cosmos
if there is some boss with a big cleavage ability or sth so the melee can't hug you
because they want to avoid the cleavage
strong forum
thats some next level shit right there
grim prism
big cleavage
strong forum
pets count towards it too though
grim prism
Pets like cosmetic pets??
quiet arrow
cleavage
grim prism
Oh man
strong forum
no
wild cosmos
pets don't count no
grim prism
Oh man you just got my hopes up
strong forum
but hunter pets n stuff
grim prism
Lmfao
strong forum
unless they reverted that AGAIN
wild cosmos
I tried with "Egbert" during raid testing , didnt give me stacks
but then again he is on the "tiny side" of pets
wild cosmos
😉
grim prism
Anyway @grand viper are you sure youre in the right channel? Seems like you should be looking for #fury
grand viper
I'm okay now thanks, Chaoly helped : )
wild cosmos
yes dyldogen you are probably looking for the #furry channel
grim prism
Okay lol
strong forum
#furries out
quiet arrow
how many specs will warrior have in bfa?
strong forum
3.7
timid jay
Same as always, 3
strong forum
na i think 3.7
strong forum
since prot is 70% dps 100% tank
well then again, fury is only 50% of a spec
so was has 3.2 specs
grim prism
I cant help but feel like I just got trolled
grim prism
🙌
wild cosmos
did you get cutting edge?
grand viper
Nope, was heroic
quiet arrow
🤢
wild cosmos
at least you got a birb then
I wish I had the birb but I m always too slow to join "stream birb giveaways"
quiet arrow
argus fight is so boring, very little cleavage
wild cosmos
I think he has sufficient cleavage with the big scythe
strong forum
cleavage Kreygasm
quiet arrow
i mean from argus pov he is like YES MEGA CLEAVAGE
grim prism
Remember guldan? That guy had some godtier cleavage
strong forum
guldan was very protective of his main target
nobody was even allowed to get close to him
he would lash out instantly
guldan yandere #confirmed
wild cosmos
pls dont remind me of guldan tanking, it felt more like "how to train your dragon" for my warrior
I spent more time flying off the platform than on it
grand viper
🍆
quiet arrow
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junior ivy
why do guild names come up green in chat now
ember arrow
not for me
astral crystal
that's either an elv or prat update
it's been like that for a while now
i think it's prat actually
earnest sand
I think Prat too
fierce juniper
ember arrow
which
somber dragon
undone sun
somber dragon
that guild name looks familiar 🤔
undone sun
Guardian and Prot warrior are the smelly kids in the tank meta right now, and I don’t expect to see any serious groups pushing with these classes as their tanks. isn't necessarily wrong
somber dragon
😠
just cuz i suck at my prot warrior right now doesn't mean the class does ok 😄
and by suck i mean "i have to pay attention the most while tanking or i fuck up" 😄
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somber dragon
yes, but in today's world of overtryhard puggers, it can lead to problems with super casuals that have to pug.
sick sentinel
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ember arrow
HAHAHA he makes top 5s when there are6 specs
somber dragon
i will throughout the expansion i'm sure
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ember arrow
i dont understand placing bdk below paladin
but ok
its a list from some guy
he doenst say why some tanks are above others either
whats the difference between #2 and 3
somber dragon
on-topic tangent!
so while i understand that i should be weaving CD's to help during SB downtime, i'm still having a hard time getting a "feel" for the "right" one/when
or are the "top 5" the "5 worth using" and not ranked "against" each other directly 🤔
ember arrow
if you make atop 5, #1 should be better than 4
otherwise you should put them as one category
but TOP 5 TANKS means more ppl click it
ember arrow
even though he basically doenst rank them, but gives individual opinion
somber dragon
although i've been known to get lost in wikipedia and that one that's all "MIB to the extreme" wierdness
SCP
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somber dragon
i'm pretty liberal with demo and avatar, i try to use ls+bolster when the heal will matter, and shield wall i try to keep in my pocket for if things go sideways in the pug i am in 😄
sick sentinel
For 99% of people watching that video the real #1 tank is the tank with the highest i.o score that signs up for your shitty +10 key
somber dragon
so, the desparate prot warriors 😄
sick sentinel
Exactly 😏
somber dragon
right now, thematically/conceptually/fluff i love how warrior is... i just have a much easier time "tanking good" on my bdk (significantly better ilvl/more experience), or monk (same gear, first time really trying it since pandaria), but i don't feel that "fuckyeah" when i'm on them? if that makes sense 😄
sidenote: wasn't it "not" of the warlock world (one of) the creator(s) of wago.io?
also:
in like an extended trash pull, mostly mele damage, but lasting a while, is it better to pool SB and cover while pooling, or generally burn them as they come up and cover with cds in between the singular ones? i can understand "adaptive thinking" needed for an extended combat with varying damage levels, but i'm curious as to if there is a "baseline" approach?
broken kite
WTB account wide rep etc so I don't feel locked to a character
junior ivy
^^^^ yessss
snow nest
Just make commendations for app reps that are like +500%
That way at least you have to talk to the faction lol
main vault
Heroic 🤔
undone sun
prepatch 🤔
tiny sphinx
using HR no less
reef patrol
What’s main focus of Saturday’s Skyhold talks? Or is it just prot in general
main vault
Oh is there podcast now?
If it's anything like DH weekend podcast they just talk state of the spec, spec in raids, etc. A topic usually
undone sun
weary notch
so now that they've nerfed Shield Bash and Dragon Charge, what are folks finding useful for PvP?
earnest sand
Arms? :\
weary notch
I've been trying out warbringer and thunderstruck, and it seems live a decent amount of CC, coupled with Storm Bolt / Shockwave / intercept / Int Shout
sick sentinel
@weary notch how big is the nerf for shield bash
undone sun
correct cat ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quiet crane
Mind the cats lmao
soft kindle
quiet crane
Forgot I was in here reading and didn’t click
Anyway I can delete it? As it’s not related lol
quiet crane
No worries then I’ll just leave it there haha
amber siren
both are good 🐶 🐱
sick sentinel
yeah
main vault
Not true
wheat jasper
dogs > cats. fo sho
full spruce
🐕
tight tree
@somber dragon I agree, i love how warrior sound, i love the theme, but i hate how gcd feels and just feel way safer/more fluid on monk/DH. That is dungeons tho, raids is a different story. But if my healers/me have to work harder for warrior than BM for example, i will reroll in a second, because i find both fun, just for different reasons. It is inevitable to level 2-3 tanks anyway. Also it's no big deal, just play what you feel like playing.
Also cant wait to see all the hate in LFR about warriors, just because Sco/Jdotb made their clickbait rankings
wild cosmos
guys this might sound a bit off topic but i want your opinion cause i was having a heated debate with @grand viper yesterday about it and I want a definite answer. According to my opinion and my eyes (I don't wear glasses or anything so I trust them all in all) the icon resembles a sheep 🐑 engulfed in flames 🔥 obviously trying to "ignore the pain" 😩 from the burning of its wool. However, Dyldogen insists that it's a giraffe 🐆 because of the orange colour but like that doesn't make any sense and has no connection with the ability name / fantasy or use 😒 Pls help!
latent scaffold
I see an open hand holding flames
midnight yacht
^