protection

[stiff gate]

unsure tbh

[acoustic sparrow]

the IP one could be pretty impactful

[coral dew]

Yeah that caught my eye too

[strong forum]

3.1k overall dps

in DHT FeelsGoodMan

[chrome falcon]

vectis is

interesting

take away everyone magic mitigation then make a boss with a magic dot

[sick sentinel]

yeah its kinda high damage

bosses are easy tho spread stack kill adds repeat

[chrome falcon]

how many people are in your group

and how many omega vectors do you get on the pull

[chilly brook]

So you’re telling me they made pre patch hounds 2.0 @chrome falcon

[sick sentinel]

we getting 1/2 random @chrome falcon

[chrome falcon]

really? lol

how many people in your raid

[sick sentinel]

moving together with group except guy with the stun thingy

[chrome falcon]

we have 14 in the raid and we get 3 omega vectors on the pull every time

[sick sentinel]

10

[chrome falcon]

and it just insta kills us

[sick sentinel]

we had 10 now 16

i will check now again

[chrome falcon]

so what you just have the raid stack up

and then spread when gestate happens

or what

we have 2 stacks go on the same person and it's like an instant wipe

[sick sentinel]

yeah it happened to us now in second phase

we have raid stack up when gestate happens we move to other marker just like vari

but when omega happens like 3/4 stacks its wipe

but mechanic-wise easy boss just need better gear then what we have right now with better traits

[ember arrow]

is there a sheet of boss damaging abilities in m+ for prepatch?

or nah

or m+ scaling rather

[subtle fable]

I can't find a list, but it is significantly lower than it was prepatch

[frank mantle]

there's a great list. its called the dungeon journal 😃

[subtle fable]

I don't think that shows the +% per keystone level unless I just haven't seen it

[ember arrow]

@frank mantle it odenst show dmg scaling

or numbers on anythign but m0

[chrome falcon]

well the only thing i learned from that testing

is that i can't play this fucking class in bfa

yikes

[wispy tapir]

yikes chat

[teal jolt]

guys pls help me out with this scenario : Halls of Valor M+ 16 ; My ilvl is only 228! ( it may be abit low for this instance) but im running with guildies. so on the 2nd boss HYRJA ,she casts "Shield of Light" and so its a knockback mechanic which pushes me to the otherside im struggling to even survive that hit. so as shes about to cast i use my DEF CD's such as LAST STAND then REFLECT directly after but to no extent i just end up dying straight up?

if someone can provide me some insight on this, maybe im doing something wrong or its prob just my gear>?

[somber dragon]

i highly doubt that is a reflectable spell

and if last stand isn't working, perhaps shield wall, or last stand + demo shout

[chrome falcon]

SR will still reduce the damage you take from it

so you should use it for every cast

[somber dragon]

that is true

hitting any of those after the cast goes off is going to not work as well, after that, it could just be a gear issue completely

[teal jolt]

i keep demo shout up as much as possible before she casts i make sure i use demo + IP the use LS with reflect at the end

[modern brook]

if its any consolation; my guildies ~235ish monk gets one shot through fortifying brew. same level on tyranical

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[teal jolt]

so is it a tyranncial thing

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[teal jolt]

ok i see tnx guys

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[somber dragon]

cues up a misfits song

[modern brook]

Another super elite strat is to stack cool downs to survive the first and 2nd; die to the 3rd and get battle rez'd

but at that point i think your dps will start dying to the thunder rotation

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[somber dragon]

cues up an ac/dc song

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[modern brook]

i fucking hate lower

oh my god

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[modern brook]

if its tyrannical: im not doing morose. if its fortified; i get to be blamed for ppl standing in pennies

lose lose. bad dungeon.

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[tiny sphinx]

there are people who swear up and down lowerkara is nicer/more convenient than upper, it's pretty hilarious

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[tiny sphinx]

too much trash, too much running around; maw is the perfect dungeon- it's short n sweet and doesn't waste your goddamn time

[merry cave]

This week's affixes make lower one of the hardest

[silver condor]

can someone explain to me how block currently works?

[somber dragon]

as in?

enemy rolls to attack, there's hit/dodge/parry/block as possibilities

if you block it, you reduce the damage by the amount located in your block tooltip

also, if you block, it then rolls again to see if you critically block

which will double that amount with a cap of 85% reduction (just like armor cap currently).

[somber dragon]

I think 😂

[green elbow]

No

Enemy rolls to attack, there's hit/dodge/parry as possible

If hit, roll for chance to block

If block, roll to see if you critically block

Block is not additive to your defensive first roll, hence it being called a 2 roll system now

It used to be Dodge + parry + block + miss, and the remainder was hit

(or crush if you wanna go into the wayback machine)

Now it's just dodge/parry/miss

Then a second roll to decide if it gets blocked or full damage.

[somber dragon]

oh shit, yeah that's right

i forgot it went 2-roll 😄

does winds of war count any damage taken?

not sure it would be able to stay at 10 stacks, but it would probably be decent?

[dark junco]

Danb the azerite changes are in

Still bad lol

They really buffed the ignore pain one, but I,m still not sure its good enough anyway

[somber dragon]

change to bloodsport doesn't seem enough.... oomph at 120???

[silver condor]

but like the block tooltip says reduces dmg taken by 890%, clearly that isn't correct

does it just increase my armor by that amount on a block? is it flat dmg reduction like it used to be?

[somber dragon]

your block tooltip says reduces by 890%???

[silver condor]

okay 867.00%

[somber dragon]

are you targetting like a lvl 1 critter? 😄

[silver condor]

raid tanmking dummy

[broken kite]

it matches your shield block

its broken

[silver condor]

ah yea its just deja character stats

[somber dragon]

mine says chance 23.69% and reduces by 42%, 32% against current

[silver condor]

yea its fine after disabling that, anyone know the math behind it though?

is it just adding block value as armor?

[somber dragon]

block amount comes from the shield itself, same formula and constant as armor i believe

[silver condor]

gotcha\

[weary notch]

if I'm reading the change to Callous Reprisal right, enemies do MORE damage to you when you hit them with revenge

[deep spade]

About how much health will we be starting with once we reach 120?

[tardy otter]

is there a better guide than icyveins? It says to get 4pc t21 cause its op but it lists a 2pc bonus that isn't in game any more. Also doesn't say much about trinkets only mentions a few and no ranking

[undone sun]

the IV guide in the pins is for the prepatch, trinkets are a non-issue atm and will be mentioned in the final BFA guide.
also made just before 2pc got "fixed" to now give armor, 4pc is still very strong and worth useing.

[tardy otter]

so using the fury trinket that drops str orbs is fine?

I thought we needed to get ones with active mitigators. honestly stam would be nice i seemed to get 1-2 shotted in a 14 last night

[undone sun]

DPS trinkets from raids are nerfed by 50% proc rate and damage, if you have nothing else it's fine
you also don't need defensive trinkets

it entirely depends on your goal

[waxen cradle]

It truly is hilarious if you go anywhere but here how bad most people think Prot Warriors will be for BFA

Its toxic as hell reading what some people have to say about prot

[somber dragon]

we need more scopoints 😄

[waxen cradle]

Just goes to show you how many people choose to be sheep and listen to the words of "popular" streamers rather then form there own opinions

[somber dragon]

they also forget that the "progression game" is a totally different game than 99% of us actually play 😄

[waxen cradle]

I honestly doubt its so much them forgetting as very likely its easier to do as others say then it is to learn for yourself

I.E. Play this, Do this, so on and so forth

[cloud bone]

anyone know why prot warrior was ignored on the sims for the PreRaids sims?

[undone sun]

the APL and module wasn't up to date when it was pushed

[cloud bone]

ahh ok so simming is still busted for us then I take it

[undone sun]

for the BFA variation, yes

it's being worked on though

[cloud bone]

is there an ETA on it or just it's done when it's done?

[coral dew]

Hmmm

x3 Brace for Impact seems like it would make shield slam hit like a fucking freight train

assuming you spec into shield slam talents

[somber dragon]

are the skull mobs in the class hall still tuned to 120?

[waxen cradle]

I am more interested in the affect the nerf to Iron Fortress will have

[coral dew]

wait what

what nerf to Iron Fortress

[waxen cradle]

gives less block from the trait

[coral dew]

where does it say it was nerfed? Sorry a little confused

[waxen cradle]

It did give 228 block and now it gives 181, and also deals less damage as well

[coral dew]

the effect of azerite traits are dependant on the items ilvl tho

couldnt it be that youre just looking at a different piece?

[somber dragon]

looks like all the tanks had some re-tuning in their traits downwards 😄

[coral dew]

Oh I see

still pretty strong if stacked 3 times

[somber dragon]

the IP one was massively buffed

[waxen cradle]

So that being said the damage and block gain came down across all item levels

[somber dragon]

still not sure it's any good 😄

yes

[cloud bone]

so what traits are we looking for a mix of them or stacking one?

[somber dragon]

they just changed values today

we aren't really going to be able to nail that down until the numbers stabilize

[cloud bone]

I didn't realize that the number change was today my bad

[waxen cradle]

Also the leech affect from Bloodsport came down also but it was already so near useless no one cared anyway

[somber dragon]

i feel like they are trying to incentivize not stacking them 😄

[waxen cradle]

Blood sport being the IP one, but its such a small gain I still do not see it ever surpassing Dcrash or IFortress even after the nerf

[cloud bone]

do all the traits stack or are some not stackable?

[undone sun]

deafening crash and iron fortress still look to be the go to

[somber dragon]

some do, some don't, some partially stack

[waxen cradle]

As already stated Brace for Impact could be nice from a pure damage point of view but not past that in my opinion

[somber dragon]

DC + avatar is going to make for a stupidly solid opener with shout

[cloud bone]

is there a way to tell or just testing?

[undone sun]

deafening crash trait damage got buffed, still says 1sec extension per tclap in tooltip, but still actually extends by 2sec

still

[somber dragon]

14-16 seconds?

[cloud bone]

just never tell blizzard then we can keep up demoralizing shout forever

if we stack deafening crash

[waxen cradle]

I have not had a chance to test DCrash stacking lately on beta so all I can do is assume it still behaves the same and the base 2 second extension could be a bug

[undone sun]

positive they're already aware

yes

[waxen cradle]

I suppose I will know for sure in about a little under 2 weeks provided I get pieces with the trait allowing for a attempted stacking

[merry cave]

Does DC stack the time extension or damage or both

[weary notch]

do the traits scale down with ilvl, or will a heroic dungon azerite peice traits have the same power as a mythic dungeon piece?

[undone sun]

pretty sure they scale with ilevel

[weary notch]

makes me wonder what ilvl the stated values on wowhead are at

[waxen cradle]

I would say it is a safe assummption pure base item level

Whatever the lowest base item level they can be acquired at which is what like 280 I think from testing ?

Of course that is depending on if the first azerite pieces you acquire have those exact traits on them, and if they have the desired ones on them, so I assume its 280 but unsure

[weary notch]

so lvl 120 normal dungeons drop 280?

[waxen cradle]

I would have to log on I forget

[weary notch]

wait, it might actually tell me on live

[waxen cradle]

Initial azerite armor granted from testing rewarded gear from quest completions but that could all have been 100% for testing purposes so as I said I will have to look

[weary notch]

yeah, 280 looks right for normal

[waxen cradle]

310 is base dungeon ilvl on beta for normal dungeons

[weary notch]

and yes, on live it looks like the higher ilvl of the same piece has higher azerite trait stats

[waxen cradle]

280 is the base item level we were first allowed to test with as when completing the first quest to acquire your neck you were given a 280 piece of Azerite gear of 3 you could choose from which were the head, shoulders and chest

I will assume that has not changed, but it may have or they may have raised the first piece of gear to 310 or just taken it out completely as a quest reward.

[weary notch]

what seems odd is that looking through the loot in the dungeon journal on live, the normal dungeons show the azerite pieces at 280 but all the other pieces at 210, which has got to be an error

[waxen cradle]

Yeah just a lack of tooltip updates I am sure

[weary notch]

unless all the normal dungeons for each faction are available at 110

[waxen cradle]

Which that would come with the launch and ultimately be irrelevant now as the expac has not launched

At 110 on beta you have a set number of dungeons that are available at 110, and increasing by 1 at level 115, and then 4 more unlock at 120, and of course the 2 mythic only dungeons at 120

[weary notch]

could be the system is just auto scaling all those items to 110

they all say "require 110 to equip"

[astral crystal]

dayum some of these trait changes

[waxen cradle]

So 3 at 110, 1 more at 115, 6 more at 120 2 of which are mythic only

[weary notch]

which are the ones at 115?

[astral crystal]

holy shit staggering strike is nice

[waxen cradle]

Tol Dagor at 115

[astral crystal]

all these buffs Kreygasm

[waxen cradle]

Freehold, Shrine of the storm, Waycrest Manor 110

Temple of Seth, The MOTHERLODE, The Underrot at 120, and Siege of Boralus, and Kings Rest also at 120 Mythic only

[astral crystal]

aw man gemhide was nerfed

[waxen cradle]

Long story short 4 leveling dungeons between 110 to 120, and then 6 more at 120

Yeah Gemhide got the ham fist

[weary notch]

and all have M+, I assume

[waxen cradle]

Well yeah once your at 120

No doubt they felt gemhide became one of those just pick it if its there period traits especially since I found it showed up a lot on Azerite gear pieces early on

Well of course for tanks that being said unless a better or comparable trait was there to compete with it which was rare for me anyway

It could work for anyone but was great for tanks as a leveling trait, and as weak as you felt when you first hit 120 that made it even better

I know leveling as a tank sounds slow as well, but with as long as queues for dungeons on beta could take, queueing as a tank or healer made that a non issue

[frank mantle]

Holy buff to blood sport

[merry cave]

On my dh I just chose neutral traits anyway or ones that worked for both then leveled as dps and dungeon qued. It was stupidly quick

You really don't need spec specific azerite traits for leveling or for dungeons pre 120

[tardy otter]

whats the best tanking lego for mythic 15?

[undone sun]

belt

[tardy otter]

even with demo spec + berker rage 2pc tons of rage?

[undone sun]

yes, and t20 isn't really used unless you have nothing else

[tardy otter]

so belt + handcuffs?

you can have 2 pc t20 and 4pc t21 at the same time i believe

[undone sun]

yes, but it's not optimal if you have to drop ilevel for it

and the original set was t204pc + t21 2pc.
t21 2pc is also no longer what it used to be

[amber siren]

you'll be swimming in rage for aoe and possibly a bit starved for st but it's nothing to drop ilvl for t20 on

[merry cave]

Belt legs

[tardy otter]

im saying maybe the belt isn't the best lego if you aren't rage starved

[merry cave]

Over belt bracers

[tardy otter]

same with the gloves

[undone sun]

belt is a dps increase

granted you take BV, but there isn't a reason not to

[tardy otter]

i want max survivability

[merry cave]

The belt is best irrespective of rage, it's a permanent dps and damage reduction

Thoughout whole run

Belt and legs

Max surv

Max idiot proof

[amber siren]

If you're concerned about surv as Thyme said you'll be running BV and you'll want DS off quicker for DR and 40 rage

[tardy otter]

tgods or rethu?

[undone sun]

thundergod's

[tardy otter]

DS?

[amber siren]

demo shout

[tardy otter]

yeah i've just never felt like i was out of rage

what do you think of ring/belt for veng+bv?

1 extra sb charge too stronk?

[amber siren]

vengenace isn't that good, you'll basically have to be spamming revenge non-stop for it to be worth it

Legs can be good

But something something fight specific

[tardy otter]

i tend to spam renv a lot in mthic for aggro

im talking about for mythic 15 specifically in case you missed the beginning

[amber siren]

yeah i know

but mobs aren't going to live long enough in a 15 for weaving revenge and IP to be any rage benefit

and it's going to suck to use revenge ST as weaving

and you can't change gear in M+ anymore

or is it revenge and SB now

either way

mobs don't last long enough

you'd have to be in a very high key where pulls last a long time for their to be any minimal benefit

[merry cave]

Legs aren't really fight specific the extra SB charge in m+ means when chain pulling you never are without block up, and the extra Sr change is great on a lot of packs now

Vengeance is not worth using

As for the belt the rage is a nice bonus but it can be kept up almost 100% atm which is unreal

[quick rock]

Warrior is just clunky weak and gimpy atm

[solid sun]

Nope

[merry cave]

No it's not

[quick rock]

sure they are

[merry cave]

It's not gimpy in any way shape or form

It's dps is great, it's trash survivability is incredibly and it has 0 issues on bosses when talking about high keys

And raids are tankable by anything

[solid sun]

It's just a troll

[quick rock]

i just dont agree

[solid sun]

You're factually incorrect.

Except maybe clunky. That's more subjective imo

[brazen mortar]

Is devestate pretty much never used?

[undone sun]

on aoe, rarely

[merry cave]

On st a little

Aoe not really

[quick rock]

we are so rage starved its sad our aoe is next to nothing for skatter tanking single target is great tho ,

[solid sun]

Not rage starved.

[undone sun]

not rage starved on aoe

by any means

[merry cave]

Lol our aoe is next to nothing???

[solid sun]

We have great damage.

[quick rock]

well ive been tanking on a warrior for 13+ years and this is the worst ive ever seen them

[undone sun]

that's nice

[amber siren]

UF and Avtar is insane AoE Dmg right now

[merry cave]

If your aoe damage is low your playing it incorrectly

[amber siren]

[quick rock]

yes but you rely on cds to blow aoe rather then pure ability

[amber siren]

Are you running AM and belt rn?

[undone sun]

that's not new, Battle cry has been a thing for a long time

[quick rock]

wrists and belt

i stop playing prot in legion till recently im only 210 ilvl i know im not prime stats but its like my aoe isnt even there

rage is a issue

[solid sun]

Then you're talented wrong or playing incorrectly.

[undone sun]

what is your talent set up

rage isn't an issue on aoe at all

[quick rock]

IP never seems to be up even with only spaming ss and dev

[undone sun]

because of how it's tuned, it's nowhere near how it was in legion

[solid sun]

We aren't meant to rely on IP.

[quick rock]

thats my talent set up

[opaque pagoda]

we aren't meant to use IP

because it fucking sucks

[quick rock]

yah i use block since ip is never up anyway

[solid sun]

Well, I mean, we're definitely meant to use IP.

[amber siren]

Saying we aren't supposed to use IP is wrong

[solid sun]

And I think it works fine for what it's designed for.

[amber siren]

Just

Plain wrong

[quick rock]

how?

[solid sun]

Especially now with our set bonus

[quick rock]

i dont have set bonus

[opaque pagoda]

are we still talking about legion content?

[quick rock]

as said im 210ilvl

yes

[amber siren]

What else are you going to use your rage on? Revenge? You're going to pass up on 10% extra EHP because of your moral stance on what feels bad?

[opaque pagoda]

nothing, just sit there at full rage because the class design sucks

[amber siren]

Yikes ddue

Take that attitude out of here

[quick rock]

hes entitled to his imo

[opaque pagoda]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quick rock]

i kinda agree to a point

[amber siren]

No one is saying his opinion is wrong, many warriors agree that IP on the GCD feels bad, but to suggest it isn't worth pressing because he doesn't like it is bad advice and bad play

[opaque pagoda]

then press it, get that 10% hp absorb shield

enjoy its warm embrace

[solid sun]

Why are you here, my dude

[amber siren]

With the 4p bonus right now why wouldn't I

lmfao

[solid sun]

Everytime I see you you're just shitting on prot warriors. Just let it go, man

[opaque pagoda]

I'm just hopeful that blizzard comes to their senses soon-ish, so I can play the spec I mained for 12 years

and not feel like a fucking idiot

[quick rock]

maybe he is salty like me , when u play a class so long then they revamp it to this over what it once greatness was yah its kinda pretty bad

[amber siren]

Played my warrior since BC, I still like it 🤷

[merry cave]

If you think it that bad go play a different tank and stop spouting incorrect shit in here about things being useless to press or the class being shit

Just saying

[opaque pagoda]

your opinion is noted!

[quick rock]

its not incorrect

[solid sun]

Well, I feel like he was being sarcastic, but telling people to sit at full rage and not hit IP is actually incorrect.

[opaque pagoda]

my opinion is that it's hard to justify pressing using IP over SS, TC or Revenge

since it eats a GCD and gives you very little in return

[amber siren]

All three have different functions?

I don't understand

[quick rock]

im not agreeing with him on that at all if u have rage spend it ,

but i just dont see IP up enough to worry about it

[opaque pagoda]

I really have nothing to add

[solid sun]

Bull, you mentioned earlier that you were spamming Devastate and Shield Slam. If that's all you're doing, you aren't going to play the class very effectively.

[opaque pagoda]

I imagine at some point with some azerite traits IP will have a little more value

[quick rock]

maybe im still trying to play the legion warrior rather then trying to play the old warrior

[amber siren]

IP is very strong with 4p in it's current iteration

Azerite traits again will change that

Plz stop

[tardy otter]

yo i bought the legs per your recommendation

but it broke my 4pc t21

hm

[merry cave]

Probably not worth mate, try to get a dif piece of t21, otherwise bracers may be the next best option

I use sephuz to pump dps on low keys that could be an option for you too

[tardy otter]

ill just spent my essence on belt i guess and return the legs

[quick rock]

do we have a haste soft cap currently?

[undone sun]

no

[quick rock]

ok so heres the issue at hand im having and making me not like playing very much , aoe seems slow and weak , i feel like i get anal gaped i think i figured that out i was infact useing or trying to use IP to much and not keeping block up a 100% feel rage starved and that could be why , also i do not have 4 set , and i think my stats need tuned as im only 210 ilvl

next issue is do i pick IP over SB . since IP is 40 rage and SB is 30 seems like SB should be first on the cast list

[undone sun]

correct, especially if the damage is blockable

[quick rock]

and for aoe , atm its SW/Rev/TC i feel adds dont hold aggro well but again the dps im running with are 40ilvls above me , or should that matter

@undone sun did you see the talents?

[undone sun]

yeah it's fine, generally you'd probably want ITF over punish for aoe

[quick rock]

ok , should i have aoe aggro issues ?

[solid sun]

With Avatar, you can essentially just TC every other GCD

So no, you shouldn't have too many threat issues

[quick rock]

ok see i am , its like theres no control over the adds how much would 30 to 40 ilvls make a difference

also what kinda haste% should i shoot for

[solid sun]

Well if you charge in and then avatar and then TC, you're giving your dps time to attack the mobs before you start doing actual damage.

And if the dps gets to the pack before you do, that'll cause problems as well.

I usually Avatar, then immediately charge and TC on arrival. DS > TC > SB > TC > SS > TC

Some others here have said they charge and hit Avatar while charging. Then TC on arrival.

[quick rock]

so is leap not viable to use on pull anymore or is intercept better due to rage gains ?

[tardy otter]

ok i refunded as suggested got tgods/handcuffs atm with 4pc 21

[solid sun]

I never leap on pull, personally.

[quick rock]

also what legos would be best choice atm , currently run belt/wrists

[undone sun]

that's fine, belt is primarily the best one to use atm

the rest aren't spectacular anymore
gloves lost value with the devastator nerf

[quick rock]

that sucks

and no stats to shot for like haste %

shoot

[solid sun]

Haste is the most important secondary stat, but the secondary stats are also all very close together.

I've seen no information for a specific number.

A lot of this information is in the Icy Veins guide written by Marok for the pre-patch

It's a really good start point.

[quick rock]

current stat weights

[amber siren]

Your stat % really don't matter, like your haste could be 8% and your crit 30% and as long as you're equipping the highest item level armour slots (with some wiggle room for trinks/rings) it'd be fine

something something tier slots right now and then potentially azerite armour later

but that's the gist

[quick rock]

k

Tyvm for everyones input i actually understand what im doing wrong , now to test it

[amber siren]

👌

[tardy otter]

I don't like how the IV guide lists the old 2pc bonus, makes me mistrust it in general

[amber siren]

It was written before they changed it to the armour bonus

But it doesn't matter since you'd stack 4p even if 2p did nothing for the IP bonus

[strong forum]

Mistrusting a general guide because a previous useless 2p changed into a barely noticeable 5% armor buff but it wasn't changed retroactively

OMEGALUL

[amber siren]

I mean, he's not wrong that the guide (despite how minor) is out of date and I'd honestly encourage players to be sceptical and check any source before blindly following it 🤷

[strong forum]

In this case the source is reliable

But any who, are people coming with IP feels bad so I refuse to use It again? That's just players being bad

"I'm rage capped 24/7 but I refuse to use it"

Just stupid imo

That's you willingly creating more pressure on your healer, gj

[merry cave]

The people saying that are probably not playing atm or doing easy content where it's not needed. I bit back but probably better to ignore them

[wispy cliff]

“IP is useless” continues to grind old content 🤪🤪🤪🤪

[strong forum]

well sloot refused to IP aswell on beta... so i hated him there for a moment

[potent peak]

seems azerite traits got number tuning in beta

[sick sentinel]

yeah we got buffed from it

block buff traits looking good

[potent peak]

iron fortress got tuned down what i see in wowhead

[amber siren]

those numbers are going to be going up and down a lot

[strong forum]

alot of useless traits are getting proper values now

so we're almost guaranteed to see a meta shift

[merry cave]

I think at least one DC is going to be mandatory for m+ even if the rest get buffed a lot

[strong forum]

yea thats a given

[pearl sinew]

Hey All, has anyone done some decent high level mythics in BFA Beta? Everything I am reading is saying warrsiors are kind of sucking in M+ because of self heals. Does anyone have an opinion on that?

[strong forum]

not alot of peeps are playing prot warri on beta, but sense from this discord done a couple of 10-14s and seems fine

we definitely dont suck persé in m+

comperatively weaker, maybe, but we dont straight up suck

[pearl sinew]

hmm thats good to know lol

[strong forum]

still very much possible to push keys

[pearl sinew]

I see blood sport as an Azerite train too, I wonder if that leech is any decent for self sustain

[strong forum]

leech build got busted yesterday

the traits' leech got nerfed by 60%

[pearl sinew]

ahhh

[strong forum]

the absorb got buffed by like 700% but the leech is like 95% irrelevant

[pearl sinew]

ahhh ok got ya

Well thats good information, I came to the right person, thanks 😃

[strong forum]

unless they changed the base value for %leech

🤔

[robust urchin]

Gemhide When dealt damage greater than 10% of your maximum health, gain 110 Avoidance and 110 Armor for 10 sec.

Feels bad man

[ember arrow]

that sems good no?

[heavy isle]

It was nerfed, probably what he's referring to.

[strong forum]

didnt get nerfed by much

tbh

oh nvm

was 428 armor-> 110

it was overpowered though for just a single trait

[merry cave]

It was way too good before, and its uptime is ridiculous

im not surprised it got nerfed

[heavy isle]

Does Bloodsport stack well or is there a large DMR on it? In terms of the IP increase

[sick sentinel]

Morning guys

Our so beloved, warrior protection, is this viable?

[strong forum]

no idea @heavy isle

Prot warri is very much viable Ironmaiden, community is making it out WAAAAY worse than it actually is

[sick sentinel]

I have a death knight (blood) and I'm trying to choose between them, I'm in love with warrior, but I wanted an opinion if it's worth it, I feel that it's very weak

[strong forum]

its by no means very weak, you have no self sustain no, but block is amazing

and with the right spec and playstyle you are a midigating god

and the damage is very nice aswell

[sick sentinel]

Yes, I can do a lot of shielding with it, I wonder if it will be very efficient in a mythic + and a Raid, but it remains as fact the greater dependence of the healers

[strong forum]

the damage the blood dk heals, we midigate. take it like that

in short, not 100% but its supposed to work that way

[sick sentinel]

hmmmm

blood dk is reactive while the warrior protection is proactive

[strong forum]

exactly

you dont get hit big in the first place

[sick sentinel]

like a monk

[strong forum]

pretty much

[sick sentinel]

I'm no hardcore player, if I can do heroic and a mythic +15 I'm already happy

[strong forum]

you can still do your mythic raiding and 15s

tanks are very close in terms of difference in power

much closer than in legion

[heavy isle]

Thanks, I'm curious to see how that trait is in fights with high magic damage. Like will we want to stack 3 of them or are other options still preferred

[strong forum]

1 deafening crash will me mandatory at all times i reckon

[limpid lodge]

with mythic raids there will be some fights that other tanks will fit a niche better but warriors always have been and always will be just a solid all around tank

[strong forum]

the increased duration on demo shout is just giga

[heavy isle]

The 3 key is very close to the 2 key... :p

[strong forum]

doesnt matter if you 3 or 2 chest tbh

if thats what youre referring to

mostly depends on the DPS how fast you can go

since kiting is still a thing

[heavy isle]

When I said stack 3 I meant stack 2, I just hit the wrong button lol

[strong forum]

welp

[sick sentinel]

So as I am a casual content player (heroic), I will not be at a disadvantage compared to the other tanks, correct?

[strong forum]

only if you play bad :p

[heavy isle]

That can be said of any tank.

[strong forum]

prot warri is more punishing than other tanks, but besides that you're pretty much gucchi

na since we are proactive

not reactive

reactive, you fuck up you heal back, proactive you fuck up you have to rely on your healer

[heavy isle]

I'm aware, I'm just saying it's possible to play all of the specs badly

[strong forum]

ofc

but warri is harder than others imho

but i've only played VDH, besides prot, so i dont know much

@sick sentinel if you play casual, just play whats the most fun to you, class doesnt matter at a casual level

[heavy isle]

My largest concern with rolling a warrior is RNGesus keeping a solid shield away from me.

[sick sentinel]

my only doubt is, what is the best time to use the shield block, should it be used on the cd, or at specific times?

@strong forum yep, i just do mythic +15 and heroic

i never do mythic raids or +20 keys uahushausah

[strong forum]

in M+ pretty much us it on CD, unless you know you wont get melee'd

use Last Stand ( or rather Bolster ) and Demo shout to fill the gaps of SB

current Prot warri is all about CD management and usage

Bolster, Avatar with Unstoppable Force, Booming voice has insane synergy with Anger Management, so make sure to utilize it

[heavy isle]

The CD management is largely what's drawing me to the spec, that and I have an unhealthy love with the block sound...

[solid sun]

I honestly love everything about prot warrior

[kind urchin]

Prot is love. Prot is life.

[solid sun]

I'm concerned about IP in BfA, but overall I just think it's solid and quite the blasty blast

[robust urchin]

Honestly no matter how good on paper prot warrior is its a bad choice for M+ because of the lack of utility

Blood DK and Prot Paladins are just more usefull

Im speaking of course about pushing high keys

Im sure prot is super fine doing your weekly 15

[sand trout]

Is it still best to use 4pc 20 and 2pc 21?

Causei was generally unstoppable with that before patch

[robust urchin]

Does it really matter now

[sand trout]

Just forthe next week of raiding

[robust urchin]

You are still raiding?

[sand trout]

And levellingup to 106

Its practice

[main vault]

Not really

[sand trout]

Y u so mean pepe =(

[somber dragon]

if yer gonna practice you'll take off leggos and things that you aren't gonna have as a fresh 120 😄

even then the amount of secondaries you have now will make it different than then

[strong forum]

t21 4p is broken

use that if you want to be strong, unless you are literally dropping 40ilvl per piece

[ember arrow]

removing leggos to practice is kinda pointless, since legion content isnt balanced/tuned around not having them

[strong forum]

you will have plenty of time to "practice" the spec

leggos wont affect that, if it does that sounds like a personal problem

[stuck oxide]

That bloodsport azerite trait buff is huge

[strong forum]

the leech part not so much though

was looking forward to testing a leech build

[long mantle]

I'm having an issue with AoE threat in M+, unless I take Dragon Roar. I can't keep mobs on me when pug dps of my level go nuts. Is this normal? Should I take Dragon Roar for an unorganized group?

[ember arrow]

avatar and TC spam

[long mantle]

1.5 min CD on avatar vs 35 sec on Dragon Roar

[steep thistle]

So all things being equal..do we really see the prot warrior being at a disadvantage in comparison to a prot paladin?

[long mantle]

I'm fully aware that I am probably doing things wrong though, so I'm open

[ember arrow]

avatar isnt 1.5 min cd

you're playing AM right?

[long mantle]

ah, that'd do it, i was on heavy repercussions

not a good choice anymore by the look of it

[spare lily]

Well if the dps arent using misdirect and the like its not your fault

[strong forum]

heavy repercussions monkaS

[ember arrow]

wasnt a good choice in legion either

HR

[long mantle]

didn't have a hunter or rogue

[strong forum]

with avatar uf you will most likely even top meters

in aoe

so no aggro issue there

[ember arrow]

prot warr are forced into AM, even more than in legion

[strong forum]

^

[long mantle]

excellent, I had a feeling I was doing it wrong, why I didn't catch this before makes me feel bad

[strong forum]

you did bad and you should feel bad! /s

[long mantle]

lol, at least it was now, rather than figuring it out in BFA 😃

[strong forum]

yea np 😄

and ada, afaik prot pally is only slightly stronger because of their immunities and self heal

[long mantle]

I probably picked HR because I was done doing content in Legion and was soloing darkshore. and then didn't think about it going into a dungeon again

still dumb tho

[strong forum]

😃

[kind urchin]

I had logs in legion running HR with 40% haste with 100% SB uptime. Only used it on a few fights in ToS but the talent was very much good.

[somber dragon]

well, I am sure that 100% sb uptime might make it more attractive down the line if it is attainable

[amber siren]

effective uptime is the goal

but we'll have to see how the raids pan out

[kind urchin]

My point was the talent isn't junk and we don't know if it might have a use at some point. It sure wasn't junk in Legion . In the end AM was more prominent but HR was definitely not bad.

[amber siren]

I wasn't really raiding for EN/TOV/NH so I can't comment for those but even for Argus with mastery meme builds HR still wasn't taken over AM

If you say HR three times in the mirror Nexii hits you btw

[long mantle]

I took HR in Legion, but I never went beyond heroic, so it wasn't a big deal. But that's old content now, I was trying to work out the kinks of the BFA prot warrior

which, for AoE threat in M+s, AM looks to be the better option

[ember arrow]

thats why i said it was better inlegion, even though AM was the better choice regardless

HR was very much bad, to not have cds available when you needed them was a big deal

prot warrior without high cd uptime is weak

[proper pecan]

hey everyone, is there some tanknotes spreadsheet for BFA?

[undone sun]

not yet, it's being worked on

and since it's still beta with often raid testing it's not worth putting out until the raid release is much closer

[proper pecan]

danke, should we expect it being posted here when all be set up?

[somber dragon]

probably shortly after the actual release when tuning is (99%) set.

[undone sun]

yes

the last ones were posted when they were relevent, future ones will be as well

[strong forum]

oh skyhold talk is only arms and fury... rip

[lean robin]

gay

[unique echo]

Hey all, looked through the pins first and guessing this is a constant question. Watched sco's videos ranking the tanks (taking that with a grain of salt), is there any accuracy to his rankings for prot warriors or do they handle themselves better at 120 than projected? Sorry if this is getting tiring to answer

[undone sun]

zero accuracy for the average mythic raider

from sco's video

[junior ivy]

Kitten

[undone sun]

kit kat

[junior ivy]

My sisters new kitten lol

[strong forum]

he didnt even take one of the strongest talents into consideration Medrawr, Bolster

i'd like to react to kitten pls, thyme do something

[somber dragon]

bolter + bv = KISS MY METAL-PLATED-ASS

[ember arrow]

#protection

cats

mfw

[unique echo]

I will be a Heroic/mid-mythic raid tier (not likely to ever clear mythic raid) and doing (legion equalivant) +15-20 keys

[somber dragon]

you'll be fine if you enjoy how prot plays

[strong forum]

yea, his rating is in no way accurate regarding warrior due to him takin indom over bolster so ya

[somber dragon]

might have to be a bit picky with your comp for the higher keys, but that's to be expected.

[unique echo]

Side question, how do we do solo/in wpvp? I played my brew for a bit and got obliterated, bdk could 2v1 people but haven't tried my prot war yet

[strong forum]

Survivability is weak without a healer

[somber dragon]

you just have to let it click that CDs are generally 'rotational' and "OH SHIT" is something we tactically avoid 😄

[strong forum]

so wpvp and solo content isnt as easy as in legion

[somber dragon]

i currently find fury to be my favorite spec to do "daily shit" in

[plain ice]

best legendaries for leveling as prot?

[strong forum]

i prefer arms, fury is only good for tmog runs cuz WW spam

[somber dragon]

i like arms in dungeons if i'm not the tank 😄

[unique echo]

in mythic+ and/or raids, where would you rank prot warriors compared to other tanks? Assuming brew/bear are top?

[twin eagle]

Running AM, + Mannoroths, I have zero trouble beating DKs.

We outheal them, its a long fight, but it can be done.

[strong forum]

M+ bear is arguably the worst

but a definite ranking i cannot say

pally vdh bdk and brew are all stronger

maybe on the same level as brew, maybe a bit better than brew in m+

Juri, you dont have bracers on 120

[somber dragon]

if i was narrowing my choices purely to be "good" in m+ and raids i'd be between prot/prot/blood

personally, brew is awesome, i just don't like playing it at all

[unique echo]

All I ever hear is how BDK self heals were nerfed into the ground, so am bouncing between war/monk.. I love my monk in raid/mythic but out in the world/pvp, I get roflstomped

[strong forum]

every tank got nerfed severely

[somber dragon]

i feel "solid middle ground" in anything that i do on my warrior

[strong forum]

you cant self sustain anymore, with any tank

[somber dragon]

i'm not wed to purely prot though

[strong forum]

and caring about wpvp and world content is... idk

wpvp is garbo regardless

[unique echo]

@strong forum that's usually how it is at the start of every expac.. but is that going to remain the same this time? self sustain wasn't really a big thing at the start of legion either

[strong forum]

they are trying to avoid that

[unique echo]

I know, it's a very very minor weight

[strong forum]

entirely

[somber dragon]

unless the next tier(s) of azerite make tanks self-sustainable, then no

[strong forum]

they want to avoid having tanks be completely healer unreliant

[unique echo]

Hmm.. well that is good news

I hope they're able to stick with that

[strong forum]

only time will tell

[somber dragon]

they should be able to easily 😄

[strong forum]

inb4 buffing crit block to be uncapped

[somber dragon]

they killed the leech on the IP trait just recently (even though they buffed the IP (important?) part).

[strong forum]

100% blocks LUL

[unique echo]

Alright, going to go poke a few things with the warrior.. any build tip/recommendations or just follow the pinned icyveins guide?

[strong forum]

yea they saw the potential of a leech build and killed it 😦 MEANIES

[somber dragon]

pinned guide is solid

[unique echo]

ty

[strong forum]

imagine having 3/3 IP trait and 3/3 blood siphon

with the old leech values

fucking 600 leech

[somber dragon]

i think we'll see a bit more leech in the next tier, not enough to dump healers, but enough to make some things a bit better.

[strong forum]

or just get lucky on ALL your pieces

[somber dragon]

(trivial/daily content)

is it still "bad" to hit devastate/tc/rend if there's less than"x" seconds before SS comes off cd?

[strong forum]

dont have rend.. :3

[somber dragon]

i kinda wish the reset worked like gore for bear

revenge...

i always fuck that up 😄

[strong forum]

i dont know what you mean with "bad"

if you have nothing else to press, press devastate

thats about it

[somber dragon]

like, bad practice, it just feels bad to get a reset just as it comes off cd

[strong forum]

cant predict that

or prevent that

so...

[somber dragon]

i'll live with the feelsbad and hope they change it to work a bit more like gore 😄

[strong forum]

how does gore work

[somber dragon]

when it resets mangle, the next mangle generates more rage

[strong forum]

huh

that'd be nice

[somber dragon]

yeah, and their rage from damage taken cd is sexy too 😄

mangle has a 6 second cd base (reduced by haste), generates 8 rage + 4 when gore resets it

granted, bears "need" more rage generally for their "baseline" (expected?) rotation

[unique echo]

how do prot war's look on the dps meters compared to other tanks?

[strong forum]

above all

[unique echo]

really?

[strong forum]

atleast in aoe

yea

[twin eagle]

what about st

[strong forum]

not sure about ST dmg

but i think atleast top 3 if not #1 aswell

[dawn fractal]

damn prot is strong now!!

[strong forum]

well the damage is yes

with avatar + unstoppable force

[dawn fractal]

even the mitigation is great compared to leigion

[strong forum]

we are midigation kings now yes

but we have almost 0 self sustain

which alot of people misunderstand as prot being bad

[shut summit]

I'm doing 7.5k low end dps on st bosses atm, that last like 3mins, idk how other tanks are doing tho

At 360 ilvl

[dawn fractal]

just because we're not a healy tank doesnt mean bad lol

[strong forum]

shakib is at like 7-9k dps with 370 ilvl

yes trisial, but many dont understand that

with my 335 ilvl on beta im at 5-7k ST dps without using IP or rather playing full DPS oriented

btw sense, what enchant u using on weapon, the haste enchant or galeforce?

[shut summit]

Vers I think, just using w.e someone gave me

[strong forum]

aight

[tame zinc]

Anyone tested out the new IP Trait buff?

[unique echo]

IP trait buff???

[strong forum]

"Bloodsport" Ignore Pain prevents (was 318 ) 2147 additional damage, and grants you (was 94 ) 29 Leech for 8 sec.

[unique echo]

So big damage absorb buff while nerfing leech

[strong forum]

yea

many absorb traits got insanely buffed

by upwards of 700%

[unique echo]

wow.. just warrior or all tanks?

[somber dragon]

inb4 "farming trait sets" for certain encounter types 😄

[heavy isle]

^ Is literally what Blizzard wants.

[errant cairn]

hey just logged in, are we suppose to not have avatar as prot?

[strong forum]

respec

medrawr not just tanks, almost every absorb trait was severely useless

[errant cairn]

ahh ty ty ty

[strong forum]

they are doing alot of azerite trait changes recently, buffing the so far "useless" traits

and nerfing the previously OP / strong ones

[main vault]

2k is still pretty meh

[strong forum]

its the base version

like 310ilvl

[main vault]

Good cause that's like 1% absorb lol

[strong forum]

yea

i reckon its more like 7k on 385

if not higher

sense posted a screenshot of his 385 iron fortress saying 400 block value and 500 damage or smth, on wowhead its only listed as 110 and 140

[shut summit]

385 is 4.8k extra ip

[strong forum]

mh

i mean thats like what, 15% of your IP

[shut summit]

340 = 3.1k

[strong forum]

mh... my IP is 21k with 335ilvl beta so its roughly 10-15% increase of your IP

i'd say thats not half bad

[sick sentinel]

Good. Was hoping to be able to go back and farm appearance sets in Legion.

xd

[strong forum]

dont think you can in BFA, atleast solo

you wont get the dmg buff

unless you are 11 levels higher than the content

[main vault]

So 2% ish at 385

[strong forum]

of overall HP yes

[plain ice]

best legendaries for leveling as prot?

[strong forum]

erm..

[ember arrow]

boots sephuz

[strong forum]

sephuz and bracers?

[modern junco]

i would say gloves/sephuz

[strong forum]

gloves LUL

[ember arrow]

definitely not gloves with how weak devastate is atm

and how infrequently it is pressed

[strong forum]

you will NEVER use devastate while leveling

not even once

i guarantee it

[modern junco]

i was using it vs bosses/rares

if ur mass pulling id use belt

[strong forum]

with warmode you will drown in rage

[dark junco]

seems like bracer + sephuz

[strong forum]

belt will be useless with warmode

since demo is on 15sec CD regardless

[modern junco]

oh, havent really messed with warmode idk what that does

in terms of CD's

[strong forum]

in warmode you get more talents, you can chose a talent that reduces demo shout to 15sec cd

and 10% more xp

[modern junco]

ahhh ok, is it gonna be warmode or bust for leveling?

i personally feel like 10% xp isn't worth the headache if ur focus is leveling and u get sidetracked by a ton of pvp

[strong forum]

for the first few weeks yes, until other faction comes in your leveling zone for WQs

no one will wpvp in the 1st week unless they are being a cunt

[modern junco]

loool, tru

well for ow pvp definitely sephuz/bracer id agree with

[strong forum]

its only until 115 anyway

thats like 5 hrs tops

WF 120 will be in ~4hrs

[main vault]

I wouldn't wear bracers

Speed will be better than any healing/dps

[strong forum]

boots are so minimal in my eyes

its 20% speed for me

exactly 20%

[sick oriole]

Which race is best race, HornyTaurens or Orcbois

[strong forum]

Dwarf

[astral crystal]

Tauren if you insist on horde

They thicc

[crimson quarry]

Black Rock mahgar orc eyecandy tho

Esp w/ heritage armor

[strong forum]

gl getting that heritage armor anytime soon LUL

i aint getting heritage armor for like 6 months or smth

[signal nebula]

Are all the allied races getting heritage armor? If so, think they'll have anything for the previous entries. I feel like I want Goblin Heritage armor, lol

[undone sun]

just the new ones afaik

[signal nebula]

Oh well

💔

[flat brook]

hello

so how protowar tanks are going to be in 8.1 ?

and further ?

[undone sun]

we don't know how blizzard is going to tune the classes and specs for 8.1, so it's very hard to say

[broken kite]

hold on let me just

[copper lion]

is 4 pc still broken?

[strong forum]

that question is like... how will the stock market be in 2019

LUL

[broken kite]

@sick sentinelhazzikostas

shit there

is actually an ion

[strong forum]

rip

[broken kite]

sorry buddy

[strong forum]

just delete it quickly

before he notices

[broken kite]

committed now

[flat brook]

I have prot war 215 and prot pal in about 220 and I have some expiriense when I can't do most thing by protowar what i'am doing with pally

[broken kite]

pally does seem quite cool

if only orcs could be pallies

[flat brook]

only what I could noted it that what war can do quite more dps

[broken kite]

120 will likely be different

no idea if it'll make the gap wider

just keep in mind we're playing past expac content on not maxlvl chars anymore

[strong forum]

@flat brook what do you mean with "i cant do most things with prot warr"

also big question, are you running the right talents and using CDs actively

[dusky sentinel]

fuk it man. Im so tired of ppl seeking whats the best tank. Just say druid and be done with it. Its just to logical. U cant predict prepatch stuff. Whats a common thing tho is that warrior is a class u need to work with. So just that alone probably makes it the worst tank. Signed and delivered

[strong forum]

well someone's triggered

but i agree with the "seeking whats the best tank" part

its stupid and annoying

or rather in general "whats the best x" if you cant make it out on your own its not gonna matter anyway

[dusky sentinel]

Thats what am I saying. Im not triggered. And I dont mean to be rude. But like. If you dont invest time in trying to understand the mechanics of how a class works + checking the current state of the game. It wont matter. Anyways. Ignore me :p

[ember arrow]

Mfw reading prot chat

[broken kite]

🇳🇿

[ember arrow]

@flat brook care to elaborate?

[flat brook]

what exacaly do you mean ?

[ember arrow]

I think you meant, some things are better on pally than warr, but didnt quite explain what, so the statement made me curious

[main vault]

Some things are better on War too

[flat brook]

yes as I also said in above - they do more dps while tanking packs

[main vault]

And have more cooldowns

[uncut hawk]

What do you think we have to do to get IP taken off the GCD?

kidnap a senior exec?

[ember arrow]

Wait for next exp

[main vault]

Realize ip isn't that important

Then it won't matter

[uncut hawk]

yeah who wants to mitigate damage what a tryhard

[ember arrow]

Thats.. not what nexii means

[main vault]

The. You should use the tools you have instead of crying about one that isn't meant to be used like that

Learning your class, what a tryhard

[uncut hawk]

not liking IP on GCD = not knowing how the class works got it

[ember arrow]

IP isnt spammed nor does it stack

[main vault]

And not meant to be used like it has been

It's a defensive rage dump, which warrior is the only class that has one still

[ember arrow]

Isnt DS def rp dump too?

[uncut hawk]

that's not entirely true

DS yeah

[ember arrow]

I.e. If youre capped

[uncut hawk]

although optimal DS use isn't preemptive

I tihnk that's the point

[main vault]

You are dumping the rp for dmg

Not for more overheal

[ember arrow]

True

IP on beta is what 20% hp?

[main vault]

Not eveb

Like..13%

Ish

[ember arrow]

Hmmm

Yra thats not impressive

[main vault]

And the traitnow add about ...2-3%

[frank mantle]

its adding a trivial absorb to a trivial absorb

[ember arrow]

I can hold aggro well enough without revenge so i usually use rage on IP

[frank mantle]

you still get a trivial absorb

[ember arrow]

16% isnt really that trivial

[rare terrace]

Still find all the warrior specs more fun than the other tanks and their respective specs so I say warrior is in a pretty good spot right now in terms of fun. Still could use changes; i.e. IP off the GCD

[ember arrow]

Well that wont happen 99.9%

Its clearly intended, even though we may hate it

[frank mantle]

it just needs a bit of a buff in value

to be more worth it being on the gcd

[somber dragon]

IP off the GCD is quite possibly the least likely way they'll adjust the class going forward, i'd like to see it around 24% if you stack 3 of the traits, that would give it some "oomph" with how it works, that seems reasonable to my pleb brain 😄

[main vault]

I feel to make the absorb bigger they would have to make the % bigger as well

[somber dragon]

plus ap/str procs are going to be interesting, and i wouldn't complain about the % being larger either

[main vault]

You can't leave it at 50% but then make it 1/4-1/2 the hp

It would have to be something that made it a choice

If it was able to last 3-4 white hits per use that's kinda strong

So whatever adjustments they made it has to only last 1-2 gcd or so

[somber dragon]

so like absorbs 75% damage,?

[main vault]

Right

[somber dragon]

so it gets munched up faster

i can get behind it

[main vault]

Where more of the absorb gets eaten

[somber dragon]

i'd feel sturdier against magiks

and i'd like a slightly shorter cd on shield block plox

[frank mantle]

i like it at 50% for smoothing

[main vault]

If it stayed at 50 it'll never be any stronger

[frank mantle]

but atm it can definately get eaten up by one melee in more difficult content

[main vault]

Yeah, it honestly feels pretty balanced for what it is to me

[somber dragon]

fine, just gimme a shorter cd on SB k 😄

or make part of HR baseline 😄

[ember arrow]

Warr would be stronger then. I already hear the sirens

[frank mantle]

itll be interesting seeing how tanks scale with gear, i definitely think both prots will scale the best with gear

on the opposite way to look at them though, they will be cucked big time if we get unlucky with good shield drops

[somber dragon]

i really tend to look at IP as either a rage dump or a way to bolster another cd

[frank mantle]

ip needs to go back to how it was at the start of EN ok

lol

[somber dragon]

and realistically, if it is an encounter that is frequent bursts of magic, that might actually give impending victory a chance to shine 😄

[frank mantle]

its interesting to have warrior be 2nd in terms of magic dmg reduction

historically warrior has always been shit

[somber dragon]

oohhh, instead of changing HR, shield slam during shield block should reduce the CD of sb by like .5-1 second 😄

[astral crystal]

Late to the party, but revenge does fuck all threat

Only good when free basically

[void quail]

What spec do you think is fastest for leveling?

[somber dragon]

revenge does "standard" threat which has been reduced across the board in bfa

i like fury

arms isn't bad either

[void quail]

Was playing around with fury as well .

[broken kite]

I'd go prot or fury for leveling 😃

[silver pagoda]

Is it possible to block Shared Suffering? with either spell reflection or shield block/bolster?

[undone sun]

no, it's blockable nor reflectable

[ember arrow]

you can run away and he wont hit you

[stone imp]

heroic leap is your best defensive.

[vocal nimbus]

Or intercepting a ranged

[stone imp]

If you do it a little early, sometimes he gets over there and a poor ranged gets killed. I usually put a skull marker in one of those open areas (like where the chest spawns) and just tell people I'll jump there during shared suffering, so they may not want to camp out there.

[weary notch]

nice. I'm always looking for more ways to kill raid members

[silver pagoda]

alright thanks guys

[stone imp]

If you time the jump late, you'll fly through the air as a corpse. If you do it too early, he moves while he casts and can kill someone else. Just takes a tiny bit of practice.

[main vault]

Best defense is not logging til BFA

Can't die then

[stone imp]

Good thinking.

[main vault]

:smart:

[weary notch]

:smrt:

[astral crystal]

Idk about standard threat

Tclap seems to generate more threat than revenge

Outside of UF also

[kind urchin]

It deals more damage so it should produce more threat.

[tiny sphinx]

i think revenge has a slightly higher modifier for threat, but im operating on vanilla era numbers

[amber siren]

i don't think any ability has 'this produces more threat' tagged onto it anymore

it's just the tank threat modifier

[weary notch]

Heroic Throw does

[amber siren]

Oh shit it does too

Time to remove that from my sick dps rotation

[ionic berry]

What is the best race to roll for Ally prot warrrior?

[sick sentinel]

Tuskarr

[undone sun]

dark iron dwarf

[ionic berry]

Thanks

[dusty dock]

How's everyone feeling with the current state of prot warriors?

[tiny sphinx]

Val'kyr playable race plz

[fickle kiln]

got a problem with my mouseover intervene macro

works if I mouseover a player but it doesnt work if I mouseover party frames/raid frames

#showtooltip Intercept /cast [@Mouseover, help, nodead][@target]Intercept

[amber siren]

That should work, it works on mine, it might be an issue with your unit frames

[tiny sphinx]

use this one instead:

/cast [target=mouseover,exists][] intercept

it will prioritize mouse over, then target, then self, in that order

[fickle kiln]

I use default blizz frames

[amber siren]

Try Jokan's and see if that works

[tiny sphinx]

and mine will work with any or no addons

[fickle kiln]

hmm doesnt work

think its tooltip addons fucking it up?

[tiny sphinx]

shouldn't, altho i do recommend adding #showtooltip above that line

[fickle kiln]

tried jokan's and it doesnt work so it must be somethign on me side :/

"Don't bind mouseover macros to mouse buttons. Unit frames eat mouse clicks. They're designed to respond to them (targeting, menus, etc). You have three options."

from forums.. thats weird it used to work. I have the same macros and binding since vanilla

[tiny sphinx]

oh yeah, no mouseover will work when bound to a mouse button

(anymore)

[fickle kiln]

it works if I use a bar addon

[lone umbra]

do enemy(raid boss) spells have hit modifiers or anyhting for hitting us in the back?

[tiny sphinx]

you can't block or parry from behind, and non tanks can get crit and dazed off their mounts

[lucid bough]

Man what a shit show is prot, i off spec tanked all expansion and while i didnt feel we were top tier, was at least bearable

but this...

[sick sentinel]

What seems to be the problem, Astra?

[strong forum]

probably playing wrong

[sick sentinel]

Ceteribus paribus, I feel more reliable now

I feel stronger, rather then relying on IP spam

[strong forum]

prot feels indeed terrible when you play the wrong talents and dont use them properly, thats whats happened to astra i guess

[lucid bough]

proaby not used to the new prot

i was used to vengeance swing

[sick sentinel]

I thing that every class is shit when played wrongly

[strong forum]

vengeance... LUL

[lucid bough]

Fr - revenge Ip

ya xD

[strong forum]

if you want and in depth guide astra

will explain a lot

[sick sentinel]

says

[lucid bough]

i read it after writing that 😄

ik thanks

[strong forum]

aaight

[lucid bough]

not a fan of tclap spam thou lol

[strong forum]

wha

[sick sentinel]

I like it

[strong forum]

its amazing imo

[sick sentinel]

CD

[lament sky]

^

[sick sentinel]

*XD

[lament sky]

its awesome

[sick sentinel]

Spam me some TC, feel dem rage coming

[strong forum]

not to mention topping dps meters

[sick sentinel]

And that is what matters

[lucid bough]

well my tclap was on my aoe keybind for years, just move it to 1 key lol

[sick sentinel]

Avatar + TC spam, bye bye adds

1 is charge

[strong forum]

X is charge 1 is TC 3 is revenge

[sick sentinel]

3 Revenge as well

X is DS

[strong forum]

only character where i actually use "1" keybind

2 is usually my main button

[sick sentinel]

I should use voice activated abilities

[strong forum]

LUL

[sick sentinel]

Scream to mic: THUNDER CLAP

charge!!!

Run

[strong forum]

THUNDER CLAP - REVENGE - THUNDERCLAP - IGNORE PAIN

best streamer EU

[sick sentinel]

10/10

I would actually watch something like that

For the lolz

[strong forum]

gl getting SB and a 2nd ability off in the same gcd

Shield Sla-Block-m

[sick sentinel]

Have sexy GF there with you

Extra views

"Madman Prot Warrior screams abilities + Sexy GF (gone wrong, gone sexual, LEAKED)"

Best stream ever

[strong forum]

well that sounds more like a yt video

[lucid bough]

ok the spec doenst feel so bad

but sometimes u are surfing on rage and with nothing to spend it

[strong forum]

thats only in legion

in bfa itll be less

[sick sentinel]

Thunder Clap feelsgoodman. My 7 'button' on my mouse, ez contact by thumb. better spam than devastate that does piddly damage.