Say stupid shit get stupid responses
#protection
main vault
tepid oar
Bolster will give you the uptime for your first rotation, what about the 2nd?
final mist
https://i.imgur.com/t9Kbw4W.png you tell me.
strong forum
Keion, you have a cotank yea and multiple cds
main vault
Considering you can get 90% uptime on total mitigation
strong forum
its SB SB LS SB SB SW LS SB SB
main vault
What's your problem?
strong forum
pretty much i think
shut summit
It's a 2min cooldown when combined with AM is roughly 60secs
ember arrow
even if u dont have SB, u can use DS/SW to buy time for it tocharge
main vault
but tell me more about how War has low uptime
final mist
You're supposed to chain CDs, unless you need them for specific points, in which case you chain them anyways because that's what AM is for.
ember arrow
always
main vault
Don't worry I'll wait
ember arrow
i dont see how we're trolling now apparently, since we're gicvng you factual esponses about what prot can do and how it should be done
main vault
If you don't agree with him you are trolling
ember arrow
if we were to call him names or whatever, sure
but we are just laying out the info available
junior ivy
ok let me see if i understand. im supposed to be using my defensives constantly when available
like IP, last stand, SW, demo shout
jsut keep using stuff
strong forum
if needed
junior ivy
k i wasnt surew what chain them meant
tepid oar
Without using a CD, you have no mitigation 60% of the time (besides passive block, parry etc)
junior ivy
i used to feel okay just having SB and IP up and using CDs in "oh shit" moments
strong forum
we have CDs to use them PROACTIVELY
junior ivy
but i guess its different now
strong forum
not reactively
tepid oar
Fair, if that is the intended design, but then you rely on placing them in your rotation
strong forum
whats bad about that
shut summit
Whole point of anger management is to use CDs
junior ivy
what does anger management do?
crisp slate
If anything I feel like non mitigated damage actually hits less hard in BFA than in Legion bc of Vanguard
shut summit
Sitting on them is a waste
strong forum
oh come on cat
junior ivy
i dont have wow open
strong forum
such a troll LUL
junior ivy
i cant check
strong forum
na girl, at this point you are trolling me 😄
crisp slate
Could very well be serious. I highly suggest you take a look at the Protection Warrior Guide Marok has pinned in this Discord @junior ivy
strong forum
she is a mythic raider and 3k m+ score
crisp slate
Oh ok. Nice troll then lul
junior ivy
ive been active in this discord since beginning of legion im not a troll lol 😦
junior ivy
just trying to wrap my head around the new play style
its very different from before
it took me a long time to get good at the old play style
and now i have to change everything
its hard
strong forum
so you're a slow learner then
junior ivy
just very set in my ways and have trouble changing the way i do things
junior ivy
and im not terrible. ive been 1 chesting 18s/19s since prepatch
but i wanna be good enough to sell +15s in BFA
strong forum
thats often the case with autists
junior ivy
casue thats how i make gold
strong forum
like not even kidding
ember arrow
<insert nervouspepe emoji>
ember arrow
youre a cloud with sunglasses
junior ivy
k thanks for the discord diagnosis
ember arrow
what medical perspective 😛
strong forum
NO i mean
😦
i dont know shit
just being honest here
but i often heard that autists have problems adjusting to change
and only function in their set way
and so on on
strong forum
monkaS
lapis gazelle
yee
ember arrow
yes ty
main vault
Wait did he just ninja call someone an autist
strong forum
Keion's been silent for some time again
main vault
That was really humorous to read
gleaming blaze
Okay so i just got back to WoW and im playing Prot, just done some heroic raiding and the down time of Shield Block is literally killing me. Is anyone else feeling like a twig when shield block is down?
main vault
...
ember arrow
this is beatiful
shut summit
Use CDs to cover the gaps
shut summit
Read the pins / icyveins guides for help
gleaming blaze
Last stand is a 2 minute cd
ember arrow
1min*
onyx vessel
15 second uptime
gleaming blaze
Ofc
ember arrow
bolster as well
gleaming blaze
and the legendary ring and Devastor and HEavy Reprocussions
onyx vessel
No
onyx vessel
Prob
ember arrow
no heavy rep
gleaming blaze
and bolster yes. The down time of shield block is still ver prevelant
shut summit
Use AM
ember arrow
i feel a deja vu
ember arrow
@gleaming blaze what talents are you usign exactly? can you screen it, or name them (122... etc?
onyx vessel
Stuck in a deja vu
gleaming blaze
so weird that LAst Stand is a rotation ability now and not a mitigation cd
it is called LAST STAND... Not "Stand Every Minute"
onyx vessel
Hey levko ge may be running the new player tank build on icey veins
ember arrow
Last Stand's use is mostly to extend shield block's uptime
onyx vessel
It does very well at that
ember arrow
@onyx vessel what do you mean, new tank build?
ember arrow
yes i know
but what is your point, im confused
i read the whole thing when marok posted it
ember arrow
ohhh HR
@gleaming blaze talents should look something like this, except the utility rows may vary more often
fresh dragon
hi. there is something strange happening with Into the fray. every stack gives me 3.98% haste
and not only 3%
ember arrow
shhhhh
lapis gazelle
Just ignore it
fresh dragon
lol?
lapis gazelle
If it ain't broke don't fix it
fresh dragon
lololololol 😉
ember arrow
25.09 with 1 stack>21.45% without
ember arrow
ye slightly less
fresh dragon
32.56 without -> 36.54 1 stack
fresh dragon
52.45 with 5 stack
fresh dragon
3.978% each stack
finite cairn
blizzard math memes
fresh dragon
LoL
junior igloo
@fresh dragon
Do you by any chance have about 33 % haste? 😉
fresh dragon
unbuffed?
junior igloo
without ITF
fresh dragon
32.56% with dg set. raid set is
ember arrow
why is it 3.64 for me then?
fresh dragon
35.56%ù
junior igloo
Ok, jokes aside, different sources of haste are multiplicative.
fresh dragon
lemme try change set then wait
junior igloo
So, for example: with 33 % haste and 3 % haste from ITF, you get
1.33 * 1.03 = 1.3699 (36.99 % haste)
fresh dragon
ill put my "run haste set" that i use to "run" with boots on legacy istance
without ITF is 46.02% haste
5 stack is 67.93
so...wait..calculator
ember arrow
wtb
fresh dragon
4.382 haste per stack
lapis gazelle
Oh right
junior igloo
1.4602 * 1.15 = 1.67923 (67.9 %)
lapis gazelle
I get it meiffert
fresh dragon
@junior igloo so.... in the end... it work as intended or is a bug?
ember arrow
seems intended then
junior igloo
working as intended
fresh dragon
so i have to put my "run" set and get 68% haste permantly in dungeon lol
ember arrow
its not +3% per stack but x 1.03
junior igloo
It's the same with heroism and other sources of haste (such as talents)
fresh dragon
SB cd 10 sec
btw i want a petition to make IP without deadline
popup doesn't show a deadline
ember arrow
what do you mean by deadline
fresh dragon
expiry
ember arrow
ohh
fresh dragon
time
fresh dragon
and i hate it
junior igloo
With Antorus 4set IP just goes up and up 😄
fresh dragon
coz with 4pc tier 21 after 12 sec i have more IP than HP
and when expire i have to restart the IP + 2x SB
junior igloo
The 4set wasn't squished properly
somber dragon
waitasecond, it's multiplicative!?!?!?!?!?!?!
fresh dragon
if it was permantly up my IP can goes up... FOREVER ❤
ember arrow
good morning to u 2
fresh dragon
ys slaytanica
@junior igloo and i hope they dont squish them
_< at least not that
junior igloo
Oh well, it's 2 weeks and the set will stop working as you level
ember arrow
^
junior igloo
So not a priority I reckon
fresh dragon
and btw in 22+ M+ the ip doesnt last so long coz u dont have so much time to build up che IP
somber dragon
that's a gorgeous little thing happening there
and btw... do any of the streamers have a vod up of the tank panel?
ember arrow
IP doesnt stack like it used to
only 1.3 times
so pressing it twice without taking dmg is inefficient
u press it when it expires or it gets removed
junior igloo
The the 4set isn't limited by the cap
ember arrow
elaborate
fresh dragon
azerite traits r not so "WOW! MUST HAVE!"
strong forum
maybe the good shit comes later
somber dragon
current "tier" of them are not
fresh dragon
at least not the mythic drop i have seen up to now
somber dragon
i honestly feel like the str->armor passive is really going to end up shining in interesting ways, in terms of making str procs interesting from both an offensive and defensive use
strong forum
i just love iron fortress
blocking = dmg sounds amazing
cant wait to have it 2x in a dungeon and see how much damage it did
somber dragon
nobody is looking amazeballs against magic though
fresh dragon
and as always SR works randomly
fresh dragon
sometimes last for 5 sec even when u take magic damage
somber dragon
sure bdk/vdh can counter it a bit stronger, but they are going to take it hard to the face in order to do it that way
fresh dragon
sometimes it expire
fresh dragon
oh btw... serious question
fresh dragon
some1 here have problem holding aggro
fresh dragon
no?
fresh dragon
i was in a M+ and the mage opens with 40k dps
somber dragon
as in... right as you charge they open?
ember arrow
bad dps
somber dragon
tell the fucktards to wati for TC
ember arrow
if thats the case
fresh dragon
ofc they will. its a pug m+
ember arrow
???
somber dragon
let them tank and die ¯_(ツ)_/¯
it's a pug, yer a tank, you usually wait far less time
fresh dragon
prepatch
somber dragon
realistically, even pugs should be not stupid fucktarded enough on skittish to pull for the tank
ember arrow
well its not skittish now is it
strong forum
skittish reduced aggro by 15% overall now doesnt it
ember arrow
grievous/fortified/sanguine
strong forum
it was literally mentioned in the tank panel 2 hrs ago
that the aggro changes arent really noticable
somber dragon
are there any vod's up for that yet
ember arrow
well i odnt watch that
strong forum
yes should
ember arrow
so idk that
ember arrow
huh
strong forum
dude if we all tell you theres nothing wrong it it
ember arrow
avatar and Tc spam
strong forum
it might be you
ember arrow
if u loose aggro during that
strong forum
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/290691516 panel starts at 26min
ember arrow
TC does alot f aoe dmg
strong forum
for anyone interested
its about 1.5hrs long
general MDI talk
but now i seriously gotta go to bed 😠
waxen cradle
Sleep is for the weak... you can sleep when your dead 😛
Jk
Or between/ during discussions about Warriors tanks have low uptime
fresh dragon
and BTW the second boss of NL "divide" ability (not sure if i have translated it correcly) overkill
fresh dragon
it literrally oneshot me if i dont use SB
fresh dragon
every 25 sec
fresh dragon
but well... pants legs its a must have
hot locust
you also would have lived that sunder if you were topped up
rain hare
Why I can't find Avatar on my spellbook?
hot locust
so /shrug
vivid orchid
respec
hot locust
respec and change back @rain hare
rain hare
ty guys, much love
hot locust
depends on how high a key you are in
and what your pulls are like
For the vast majority, yeah belt is better.
hot locust
I think you seem to not understand what "depends on how high a key you are in, and what your pulls are like" means.
It's no surprise at all that legendaries are situational.
hot locust
you can run belt just fine in a +22
fresh dragon
so its not situational
hot locust
I don't even know why this pre-patch M+ stuff even matters.
It's done in 2 weeks.
Not like you gain anything at all for the M+ you are doing right now with legendaries and trinkets you won't have at 120.
hot locust
then play better.
fresh dragon
u know what it means to push in a pug?
hot locust
yeah I do
it's called not doing it and getting an organized group
With people I trust
hot locust
it's also an annoying lottery of players who may or may not properly play or understand your pulls.
Completely not worth it compared to just organizing a group.
hot locust
No one said it was.
fickle geyser
its impossible to retain ur sanity when doing pug runs
fresh dragon
a beer save ur sanity
fickle geyser
theres not enough beer for that
ember arrow
I pugged all dungeon 22-23 tthis week
Dont inv shitters
@fresh dragon dont
Belt and pants for maximum SR and DS uptime
In nl u reflect the worm boss toxic retch, last boss magma crash
fresh dragon
ok levko
and thats why i dont understand this guy
always use bracers
i was curious about it
ember arrow
U cant see talents used for a run on raider io
Unless it got changed
Wit less rage gen wrists arent as good
fresh dragon
u can see the gear weared
ember arrow
U could spend 100 rage in 1 sec in legion
Now not so much so wrist healing isnt that ompactful.
They dont prevent oneshots either
DS and more SR do
hot locust
I wouldn't sell it that short.
Wrists are similar in strength to how they were in EN.
fresh dragon
guessing....warcraftlogs doesnt have a Dungeon sheet for character? only raid?
ember arrow
Since u cany swap gear u must gear up vs oneshots @hot locust
fresh dragon
i was trying to search his M+ logs on warcraftlogs
ember arrow
Even if its only 1 ability
hot locust
I mean, you have enough CDs for everything you listed.
Giving up belt for bracers is just fine.
fresh dragon
ok i think i can found his personal log 😄
ember arrow
the leggos also depend on what peopel hes playng with
waxen cradle
Personally I prefer when doing M+ to always try and run the belt just because of its affect on DS, what I switch between mostly for very punishing magical 1 shots is running gloves or leggs if I know the damage is coming in often enough that I cannot survive it with CD's but having DS up due to the belt makes that not so much a issue anyway
Bracers might deal some healing but with the overall less rage to dump into IP especially on ST I prefer belt/gloves
or leggs when I might need the second SR
somber dragon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fresh dragon
ok technically i can scan all the calendar from warcraftlogs and make a DB with Character Name / ID / CalendarID
with a php script 😮
and get finally his personal logs >_<
fervent cairn
hi guys, someone know what is the best enchant for a weapon, haste or armor?
fresh dragon
beta or prepatch?
fervent cairn
beta
merry cave
Pants are needed for some stuff, I use belt and bracers a lot because it's more damage for me. although I've fallen way behind haven't done a key in a bit
Belt/bracer does fine in 24/25 keys
somber dragon
so two questions: 1) this is a MDI panel first, tanking second? 2) that stilly ass mention barely of prot warrior having "glaring issues" is that all the "tank vs tank objectively mechanically" discussion?
because lord there are so many chicken littles out there already 😄
main vault
Well all the chicken littles can't play at a level where it matters
somber dragon
that kinda felt like a waste of time, i shoulda realized it was mdi-focused earlier 😄
junior ivy
i just pick the ones that wont give me any extra buttons for my action bar
casue my action bar is already exactly how i liek it
probably not the best strategy
sick sentinel
x)
shut summit
morale killer / sword n board / shield bash
shut summit
more dps for leveling / wq, not actual pvp
sick sentinel
and which token ?
broken kite
For leveling? Doesn't matter. I use relentless orc
plain ice
can threat be shown with KuiNameplates?
sick sentinel
prot owns
main vault
@plain ice yes
delicate sequoia
guys
i'm sorry i've been bringing this up constantly but
it's been the 67th day hidden artifact cave bullshit hasnt spawned for me
and i go check the cave everyday using both macros, so not doing it wront either
all i wanna say is fuck this game and fuck rng
thank you
ember arrow
Some people waited 3 months
delicate sequoia
yeah but its just retarded when some classes get theirs with literally killing 4 random mobs in suramar
or falonaar
somber ether
And then there's stupidly lucky people like me, who got it the first and only time I tried looking for it.
ember arrow
The mage tower/honor ones look better to me anyway
delicate sequoia
i wonder if it was the same guy who designed all hidden artifact obtain methods
because it just doesnt click for me if its the same guy
okay fires mages go kill 4 mobs
you prots you wait 3 months
because fuck you
unreal fulcrum
Yeah... I wasn't even interested in getting it. My buddy asked to check it for him on my realm and I got it on my first try. He is still trying I think
Not every day, though
So, I've read a lot of what u guys mentioned. Currently don't have access to the game or good internet, so gonna ask here. SR will be only for 1 spell, right? Good days are over? Or they will add it to the traits again? I mean full duration reflects
ember arrow
It reflects one spell. If magic dmg isnt reflectable, it will last full duration
So far no SR improving traits as far i can tell
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, sad.. legion was kind to give a good trait for SR
ember arrow
Raidboss and most dungeon boss' abilities werent reflectable in the first place
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, I know all that
ember arrow
So sr will serve similar purpose without much difference
unreal fulcrum
Asking, because got so used to full duration reflects in legion... that it pains me to go back to 1 spell reflect
What about channel spells?
Like arcane barrage on medievh
ember arrow
It redlects one tick
unreal fulcrum
Sad(
ember arrow
Since every bolt is a seperate spell
unreal fulcrum
And what about new dunges? How much of the dmg is blockable?
ember arrow
But dont look at bfa classes in legion content for comparison
unreal fulcrum
More or less
ember arrow
Idk personally, im sure our TCs will come up with a sheet of blockable dmg like the one in legion
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, well.. with that nerf to sr I hope they will not make smth like arcway
ember arrow
Arcway existed so did votw
The latter was great for us
I dont expect a tank to excel at all dungeons equally
unreal fulcrum
Well, all dungeons were good for us in legion
ember arrow
No lol
unreal fulcrum
Seemed to me, at least
ember arrow
Seat and arcway at the very least werent
unreal fulcrum
Why arcway? With full duration reflects it was ez
ember arrow
Ever pushed fortified arcway?
undone sun
An updated spreadsheet is being worked on
ember arrow
Niiiice
Thyme is just in thyme
Idk if you found arcway forti easy on prot then you played a diff game then i
All im saying
unreal fulcrum
Nah, dont think I went there on forty
ember arrow
well ofcourse it was ez then 🤦
unreal fulcrum
These los abilities were a bit too much for my friends yo handle
ember arrow
Pull the pack infront of corstillax
And dont get murdered
I just took my dk to high arcway/seat
I couldnt be arsed
Also dk can grip kick the seers
unreal fulcrum
Anyway, that wad not my initial question :) not really going to argue about stuff of the past
Just willing to know how it will be now
Probably no more full mastery builds, right?
ember arrow
They werent a thing in legion
unreal fulcrum
Depends where to use them
ember arrow
Nowhere
M argus was only place where it would be considered
Blocking more often with less sb cd (haste) > blocking more dmg with more critblock chance
unreal fulcrum
??? Legion offered 100 prcn uptime of sb, didn't it?
ember arrow
No
unreal fulcrum
When u get to 28-30 haste. Which was easy
ember arrow
30% haste meant nothing
unreal fulcrum
Well, it certainly did for me, somehow
unreal fulcrum
Cannot brag about mythic, but tanked hc argus solo
ember arrow
If u used AM u couldnt have 100% uptime
unreal fulcrum
For full mastery
ember arrow
To do that u needed 116% haste
Then u played the spec wrong
AM was miles better
Still is
unreal fulcrum
Depended for what purpose u need it
ember arrow
??
unreal fulcrum
I mean.. it was ez to get heavy reps on argus with mastery set
And have 100 sb uptime
ember arrow
More DS>more dps>more rage>more healing from wrists>less dmg taken
100 uptime was not needed for anythint
unreal fulcrum
Well, dmg was not higher
U get extra SS dmg from geavy reps
So thats about eveb
Even
ember arrow
No
unreal fulcrum
U wanna say, that dmg on Argus, ST with AM was much higher than heavy rep?
unreal fulcrum
Hard to believe that tbh. Dont see the reason
amber siren
DS, BV, AM and BC all worked very well together with 2 t1pc
HR wasn't needed to survive any fight
ember arrow
Even before that
ember arrow
After AM got buffed HR got unused till now
hr made a cd based tank not use cds often
ember arrow
Rotate cds
unreal fulcrum
Are u god of luck?
amber siren
unreal fulcrum
44?
unreal fulcrum
300 = 140, 140=50, 50=40, 40 with. Ds = 30
ember arrow
Stacking mastery was never a thing
unreal fulcrum
Thats the best u can go without crit block, when not using sw
hot locust
stacking mastery was definitely a thing.
unreal fulcrum
So, then it was up to luck for u
hot locust
I did it for our first Argus kill.
hot locust
Well, you are talking about that exact boss...
hot locust
I loved taking 19+ scythes with mastery set too. :^)
unreal fulcrum
Well, there were like plenty m+ bosses where it could be used as well
ember arrow
No mate AM was especially im m+ superior
unreal fulcrum
2nd and last in NL
hot locust
Ones that are worth being locked into that set the whole run? None.
ember arrow
So where does mastery come into play then?
unreal fulcrum
All dmg neglected from mastery
undone sun
?
hot locust
Yeah im not following.
undone sun
those don't correlate
mastery has no relationship with spell reflect and it's reflected damage
ember arrow
Mastery doesnt interact with SR
unreal fulcrum
What are u talking about
ember arrow
unreal fulcrum
Forget about sr. You reflect abilities, only autos remain
And u neglect it by mastery
ember arrow
Autis arent a threat
undone sun
autos aren't a problem on any M+ boss
ember arrow
Autos
hot locust
would rather have dps at that point...
hot locust
No.
hot locust
Haste/Vers/Crit are all better options for dps than mastery.
ember arrow
I dont belive for a sec u did 23 arcway with HR and mastery build. And found it easy
U said u did 22-23
unreal fulcrum
Man, are u reading or only writing?
When in the world I said I did arcway with hr and mastery
I was talking only about situational bosses
ember arrow
U said we dont stack mastery "anymore" implying we did before. You said u used HR
unreal fulcrum
Or u weny in the dung with 1 set only?
unreal fulcrum
I was saying, that there are raid bosses, where HR seemed like a better option to me
ember arrow
Wrong
amber siren
where's a sco emote when you need one
unreal fulcrum
I was saying that there were places, where mastery was the best choice
amber siren
Like?
hot locust
Can confirm, still ran AM
ember arrow
^
unreal fulcrum
Or at least I was using it and never cplained
And now I know, that u are too much stubborb to listen
amber siren
Never complained doesn't mean optimal
ember arrow
Being best choice and "i never complained" isnt quite the same is it
ember arrow
Esp since u tanked hc bosses thats not saying much
amber siren
You have 4 different warriors who say your idea of how prot works was wrong and you say Levko is stubborn? 👀
hot locust
Have you tried Ignoring the Pain?
unreal fulcrum
Im using my phone to type, so thats like super slow typing. And no one reads, it seems
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, I was tanking by kiting only. Shoulders and leap like a frog. I happy? I regret I even started to try and explain
amber siren
?
unreal fulcrum
U happy"""
amber siren
I'm out I have no idea what's even happening at this point
unreal fulcrum
That just proves it. Just for info... try and read again. Slowly.
ember arrow
U claimed i.e that HR is best for some bosses, yet you refuse to name the specific bosses. Your stats were wrong, stacking haste was always better, unless it was ilvl upgrade. U dont need 100% sb uptime in legion, only EFFECTIVE SB uptime
unreal fulcrum
U see that.. depends where to use them sentence??
unreal fulcrum
Man, as I said, im using my phone to type, and im freaking slow at that
I cannot catch up
ember arrow
So do i
hot locust
<On phone
unreal fulcrum
U are typing like on a keyboard. I make sentence, three of u reply with double of that
And u jump from point to point
hot locust
🤔
ember arrow
we arent critisizing you for your typingskills
we can wait for a response
discord aint going anywhere
unreal fulcrum
Let me tell u slowly. U take am to m+, and when u reach a dummy boss, u switch your gear to mastery. Get extra dmg from crit blocks and ap. U change back, continue to trash. U see blockable trash, u switch to mastery. Can u follow?
HR is not used in m+ for obvious reasons, but on raid bosses it could be used, because tanks aee not starting at 950-980 ilevel, where u got all u need
ember arrow
1: no bosses require a mastery build, since hteir autos are at no point a threat. 2: critblocks dont give extra dmg by themselves. Trash with blockable attacks, if u run out of cds, u kite. TC is 50% slow, no need to swap gear to tank something that can be avoided, besides, with more haste, you can have SB up for a long time without needing mastery.
im talking legion ofcourse
tight tree
Did tank panel happened yesterday? Any links?
unreal fulcrum
Levko, u lose dmg when u kite. Having more AP from mastery gives extra aoe dmg. Crit blocks give dmg. Read your traits
ember arrow
if ur 980, u can tank bosses without talents, at that point its irrelevant, the choice for AM is specifically for progress defensively
hot locust
more ap from mastery is less dps gain than any other secondary.
ember arrow
read your traits
ye i started warri yesterday
u lose dmg by kiting
clearly u didnt do high keys
u facetank fortified 23 bolstered trash?
youre a braver man than me
unreal fulcrum
Then u know, that crit blocks emit some kind of dmg from your shield? :)
ember arrow
thats why i said "by themselves"
since the trait gave dmg, and wasnt part of the critblock, since artifact isnt part of the class
unreal fulcrum
Yeah. Well. Lets just assume that you are the only person in the world who can adapt
ember arrow
what do you mean by that?
undone sun
useless hypothetical
ember arrow
im not praising my tanking skill, im telling you that if you run out of cds, you start kiting
thats m+
unreal fulcrum
I mean that I am talking not about general +/- of the mastery build
ember arrow
there are no general +/- since, it is never used albeit for 1 difficulty of 1 boss
i feel im repeating myself
unreal fulcrum
But about specific situations, where mastery gives u much higher survivability than versatility with the possibilities to continue making dmg instead of running around
But you kust won't listeb
ember arrow
amber siren
hot locust
Scales is a terrible idea to itemize around. Its only a proc chance, its damage would increase more with crit anyways, and you could force it ( if you reeeeally wanted to) with NF anyways without locking yourself into a bunch of mastery for the fight.
ember arrow
prot warriors didnt need to kite because they got meleed
it was aoe, magic
also u must kite certain mobs because they will murder other party members
the mentalit of "dont kite u can do dmg instead" is just wrong
hot locust
unreal fulcrum
And theh you have situations wheb it isnt
ember arrow
i dont like kitign either, but its how it is
if trash dies so fast, you dont run out of cds, or dont need to use any cds
then it isnt
or if u pull 3 mobs at a time
unreal fulcrum
Like go to BRH. You can kite your ass out, or you can neglect dmg by crit blocking. Yes, it is 4 packs in the dungeon
But it saves you 1 minute.
ember arrow
kite all 4 packs, take no dmg, dps can cleave them down in 1 min
or facetank 1 at at time
unreal fulcrum
Why not abuse?
ember arrow
kiting saves time
ember arrow
go on high brh, and facetank brutal assault
facetank the flame breath
facetank the demons doing 300% more dmg for a few sec
facetank coup de grace
unreal fulcrum
And again u dont listen
Where have I mentioned tanking flame breath with mastery build?
ember arrow
u said facetank and survive
unreal fulcrum
How did u get that idea?
unreal fulcrum
I said, 4 packs. Total. In the dungeon.
hot locust
hot locust
Someones gonna have to explain that one to me.
ember arrow
the ones that are 4 in a row, is in the corridor
smoky oak
If you pull that big in brh that its 4 pulls only, i wanna dps that run
unreal fulcrum
Why did u assume I was talking about 4 in a row?
smoky oak
If u die i dont want to tho
ember arrow
because there are more than 4 total to kite
amber siren
I'm getting the feeling english isn't their first language but like 🤷 idk what's even happening
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, it is not mine native
ember arrow
what does this have to do with mastery build? again, blocking more attacks with more haste>blocking bigger% of the dmg
weary notch
oh hey, it looks like they fixed the dummies
unreal fulcrum
But I believe that I am not saying that stuff which he gets from my messages
weary notch
I survived twice as long just now as I usually do
unreal fulcrum
Try getting mastery build and tanking last 2 ladders fully
May be you will understand
Oh, I mean... not anymore, sorry
hot locust
No, we wont.
ember arrow
u mean the stairs to last boss?
ofc u pull everything
then kite
no need for mastery build at any point
unreal fulcrum
And I am saying tgat you tank it, and make some dmg
hot locust
and kill your dps
unreal fulcrum
Why kite, wheb you can tank it?
hot locust
because the mobs dive the shit out of them
amber siren
sic bats
unreal fulcrum
Dps does more dmg
ember arrow
why kite? kiting means you can pull more mobs, saving time in m+, while not risking dying and wiping
unreal fulcrum
When pack is still
hot locust
dps does more damage when they are ALIVE
unreal fulcrum
And tank makes decent aoe dmg, higher than when u kite
ember arrow
dead dps does exactly 0 dmg
unreal fulcrum
Yeah, that is if they die
hot locust
Which they will if you sit there and tank.
unreal fulcrum
Except u lose dmg when u run around with these nice los all over
smoky oak
Your dps will be on the floor so will you
ember arrow
he wont, he has mastery build
unreal fulcrum
Erek, read above
smoky oak
unreal fulcrum
I was never implying allround tactics
hot locust
unreal fulcrum
For all m+ all paxks
ember arrow
if u run outta cds, u kite, until then u can facetank if the mobs allow it
its not difficult
smoky oak
Arent you saying you should just facetank?? Thats what youve said for like 15 minutes
ember arrow
he did
unreal fulcrum
Then read 16 minutes back
Whev I said that it is only for the 4 packs in brh
Not all dungeon
You kust dont read, and reverse my words
smoky oak
You kite multiple packs in brh
ember arrow
you say 4 packs total, which si false
you bring up info that is incorrect, its not opinions
amber siren
I mean, say you facetanked a 25 BRH in full mastery gear, it's so niche and specific that kiting would be the safer option anyway?
smoky oak
2 of the corridor packs, spiders right after first boss, bat pack in 3rd boss room or run up and pull them down, and the jumping guys in the 3rd boss
unreal fulcrum
Omg
autumn pendant
20 mins of flooding discord with nonsense and confusment 🤔
ember arrow
i mean, if he asks questions, and gets corrected, or we show something thats no problem, but now yhes acting like we're bullying him smh
smoky oak
You know one of the reasons affli lock was best spec in keys? They made kiting extremely easy
amber siren
I don't think you're going to get the answer you want no matter how many times you rephrase yourself my dude
ember arrow
you put out incorrect info, that we tell you is wrong, based on all legion
for highest keys, and highest log dps, mastery sets werent used, if u try it out, u can see why
unreal fulcrum
Levko. Just understand. For 5 minutes we discussed last boss corridor. I was saying that you can tank them in mastery build. You were saying that better kite them. I pointed out, that if you stack them nicely with timed mechanics, then your dps can avoid it easily all at once. And you will not die from the packs. You suddenly brought up archers. Why?
amber siren
Wait are we talking about the bats or the jumpy raven dive guys?
unreal fulcrum
Both, tbh
smoky oak
Ye go facetank those in your mastery set in a 25
ember arrow
you will die if 2 of them coup de grace you, while 4 are meleeing
kiting is always the safer option, even if u facetank, u stop facetankign after ur cds run out
you didnt invent some "secret op build". mastery builds have been tested and found worse than ilvl/haste primarily
hot locust
I love the mastery build. I have a 100% set and used it to mess around all the time, as well as using 90% +T19 2P on Argus. Its just not a viable strategy to do this in any M+ @unreal fulcrum .
I would love to see logs of runs with you using it.
unreal fulcrum
Lala, I was never implying full m+ runs. Just putting it on on some packs
But they just dont listen, I dont know
hot locust
It still isn't worth it.
Thats what I am saying.
The alternatives are stronger options, especially the higher a key you do.
ember arrow
we're listening, dont play the victim
fierce halo
You can't switch gear during a run anymore, @unreal fulcrum
autumn pendant
He was most likely talking about pre pre-patch stuff anyway
undone sun
was in regards to legion content, yes
steep escarp
My guild wants me to lock my choice of main this week. The choice is between warrior and paladin. For HC level play, does it matter that much what I pick? Won't warrior be fine?
vocal nimbus
for hc it doesnt matter at all
cosmic cargo
and warrior should be more than fine for mythic too
steep escarp
Sounds great. I like the warrior playstyle more than paladin, but doomsayers had me worried
cosmic cargo
the only thing to worry would be a high sustained magic damage fight or something with hard hitting bleeds
but even those things should be fine on hc
steep escarp
Thank you. I feel better now 😄
velvet tartan
can someone convince me to play prot warrior over fotm such as monk / dh in bfa?
sick sentinel
you do lots of screaming and slamming shit
velvet tartan
Same boat as diawo, so much negativity towards prot warriors. I'm not really a great player so if i'm a scrub + playing a weak class that might end in a disaster
i do like the screaming and slamming!
velvet tartan
i do have a paladin too but my warrior feels 10x more badass, at least until i run into a pack of mobs and die
sick sentinel
kill them before they kill you 🤔
velvet tartan
i will probably due to time constraints and not having a guild play more m+ than raids
robust urchin
the more i play prot on the beta the less i wanna play it in bfa
jade tartan
Guys, what are you usually pressing to mitigate magic damage? 🤔 timing demoshout ?
why @robust urchin ? 😦
robust urchin
Because it doesnt feel fun to play anymore
velvet tartan
@robust urchin this is not the kind of convincing i was looking for 😰
robust urchin
I hate the new rage system it just sucks
ember arrow
learn to play it, i did few +20s and hc antorus so far, no big issues
manage cds, make use of AM
robust urchin
I liked warrior for its fast playstyle with the rage gain but this is just boring i am enjoying my paladin a lot more on the beta
strong forum
Well then play paladin. That's all there is to it
No convincing needed if you no longer enjoy it 🤷
robust urchin
I'm just dissapointed thats all
strong forum
I guess
I love the block changes and can't wait to get my hands on iron fortress >:)
robust urchin
Been playing him since wrath alway enjoyed him even if he wasn't top notch but always fun to play
velvet tartan
quick question... Bloodsport azerite trait... grants 31 leech. How much is 31 leech exactly in %? where can i find info on that?
i'm also finding inconsistent numbers on the azerite traits. Do they scale with level?
robust urchin
Maybe it plays so unfun because i only habe 9%haste
strong forum
It scales with ilvl of the azerite piece yes, 31 is like 2% leech
iirc
Well you HAVE to play ITF nano
No point not to
broken kite
haste is that one stat that vastly increases enjoyment of a class
strong forum
Well that's just Dh cuz double crit chance
velvet tartan
why are the values different here http://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=279193/bloodsport and here https://beta.wowdb.com/spells/279172-bloodsport is that because one source looks at a lower level azerite?
strong forum
Yes
cosmic cargo
vs both the traits that give more block amount
velvet tartan
yeah i was hoping it might be able to provide some meaningful self sustain
strong forum
And see how it'll go
cosmic cargo
or the one that extends demo shout
strong forum
Therese quite a lot of pieces that grant leech so a build might be possible for m+
velvet tartan
considering that traits can be stacked too...
velvet tartan
yeah :/
cosmic cargo
also the dps we do compared to our max health is lower nowadays
which makes leech even worse of a stat
velvet tartan
Stat Ratings per 1% at 120
Critical Strike – 72
Haste – 68
Mastery – 24
Versatility – 85
Leech – 41.4
Speed – 14.4
Avoidance – 19.8
is this accurate?
that'd make it even worse... just 3%
strong forum
It's not the only talent that grants leech
And no doesn't seem accurate
Crit scales much better
Than haste
I have more crit % with 300 crit than 500 haste
velvet tartan
is there maybe some % base crit going on without the 300 crit compared to haste?
i found those values above on several sources now but got no way to confirm
strong forum
0 crit = 0 crit
velvet tartan
strong forum
I have 12% haste or smth on beta with I think 800 ish haste
I could be wrong though
Haven't checked in a while
velvet tartan
what's your dps roughly on beta?