protection

[strong forum]

well if i block 100% of attacks

[ember arrow]

only then can u critblock

[strong forum]

yea, like i said

with SB up my Crit block chance is 37%

outside of SB its much lower due to general low block chance

basic math

[crystal night]

so if I have 10% block chance and 30% crit block chance

[ember arrow]

ahhh

[strong forum]

which is mathematically impossible

but continue

[somber dragon]

you'll block 10%, and 30% of those blocks will be crit blocks

[crystal night]

i get hit by a melee hit, game rolls 10% chance for me to block, I hit the 10%, game rolls again to see if I hit the 30% chance after that to critically block?

[strong forum]

10% chance to block

if you get the block

theres a 30% chance to critblock

[crystal night]

nice nice okay thats what I was trying to ask but i was wording it shit Ty ty @strong forum

[strong forum]

yea so i misread

what you said is the same what i said yes

[crystal night]

so 10% block x 30% crit block is our raw chance to crit block both of which just go up with mastery so get your hands on mastery and haste 😄

[strong forum]

yes

[crystal night]

So i actualy have a slightly low chance to crit block

[kind urchin]

So if you had a 100 sided die and 1-20 (your chance to block) and 1-25 ( crit block). You roll for the block. If you get it then you roll for the critical block.

[strong forum]

outside of AM

[crystal night]

does that mean I should be statting for mastery over everything then? even haste?

yeah outside of AM

[strong forum]

no

[old zephyr]

Nah haste is King

[strong forum]

you need the haste to get AM up as much as possible

[crystal night]

Oh yeah i forgot it scales that stuff up

[strong forum]

Haste is still king

[crystal night]

and SS and Tclap right?

[strong forum]

SS TC SB

and rage gen

[crystal night]

samn son

and that helps with anger managment

nice synergy ther

[strong forum]

exactly

without anger management we would be dead class

[crystal night]

omg yes. i love how it works with bolster too

[strong forum]

mind blown

[crystal night]

poof

[strong forum]

so cute

[kind urchin]

Bolster is love

[crystal night]

Ok I have another question 😄

[somber dragon]

42

[kind urchin]

Lol

[strong forum]

pretty much

[crystal night]

So in Legion a guildy told me that the more of a stat you had the less it increases your % in that stat such as like crit and haste. Does Block do the same thing?

[somber dragon]

ehhhhhhh

not all stats have built-in DR

[strong forum]

dont forget math DR

[somber dragon]

but some specs make other secondaries more valuable once you have a shitload of another

like bdk in legion

[strong forum]

Math DR always applies

[somber dragon]

you wanted haste to 30ish percent then everything else became "stronger" but before that, they were like "fuck... no haste"

[old zephyr]

For prot primary is King

[somber dragon]

for most specs/classes primary is still king (thank god)

[strong forum]

a 10 increase from 100-110 is a 10% increase but from 180-190 its not an overall 10% increase

[somber dragon]

that as well

[crystal night]

damn so block does DR hard then?

[strong forum]

we dont know when yet

but haste we know for sure is going to be valuable for quite some time

literally beyond 50%

[crystal night]

holy shit

okay so iron fortress will be our best trait for the forseeable future

[somber dragon]

it reduces the CD on everything important 😄

[crystal night]

Yeah and that feels awesome.

get them open AM downtime windows as short as we can

so we dont get cucked by melees. our STR and flat block should help with that though

I could see it being rough in early game M+0s and M+ though.

[strong forum]

well CDs

keep those in mind

and Demoshout is a defensive

so we can have 100% uptime at some point

[somber dragon]

yeah, keep cd's rolling between AM if you are actively tanking something "big mad"

and while it isn't uber anymore, IP on top of SB is pretty fucking solid

[strong forum]

yea

in most situations i had in legion thus far it rarely got eaten up tbh

and im not running 4p

so IP is still useful

[somber dragon]

i see IP as a way to buff SB really, not something i'd pop on it's own

[crystal night]

SB seems to protect my IP bubble it feels like lol which I love

[strong forum]

SB + IP is mad DR

[crystal night]

or make it stretch

[somber dragon]

well it does

[crystal night]

what about Demo + IP for when SB is down?

[somber dragon]

since blocking reduces the damage going into the IP

that's another valid option

that's how warrior plays right now

is creative use of our CDs

[ember arrow]

@crystal night LS and DS for SB downtime

not at once

[somber dragon]

LS should have a pretty short CD with AM and Bolster talented

[crystal night]

shield wall too? or not really?

Yeah its like 1.1 minutes right?

[somber dragon]

SW is the OH HOLY FUCKS

OH GOD NO NOT THE TUBESTEAK SANDWICH!

[crystal night]

OK so keep SW in back pocket for OH shit

use Last STand as active mitigation in a way during SB being down

[ember arrow]

not for oh shit

LS is oh shit

SW is preplanned

[crystal night]

i see.

yeah taht makes sense

[ember arrow]

LS used as SB increase is used if u wont need oh shit

[somber dragon]

note to self: you've been doing it wrong honky

[ember arrow]

if u get hit for 80%

then use SW

u wasted it

SW isnt a death strike

[crystal night]

So if its an encounter where I won't need an OH shit or saftey net, use LS as a shield block in a way cuz of Bolster

[somber dragon]

SW isn't reactive for sure

[ember arrow]

@crystal night yea

if u plan cds righ

t

there wont ba a oh shit

keep that in mind

[undone sun]

i mean, ideally neither should be for oh shit moments

[somber dragon]

i think out of all the tanks, we've got to have the most knowledge of damage patterns

[junior ivy]

i need to start keybinding 😦

and i dunno how

[undone sun]

yes

[crystal night]

Lets say its a smooth encounter of consistant damage constantly requiring some sort of mitigation, what would be an ideal rotation for keeping the least amount of holes in our damage reduction

[ember arrow]

depends on encounter

[somber dragon]

demo, sw, LS would be my "order" initially

[ember arrow]

there isnt a cookie cutter def cd order appliccable to all fights

[somber dragon]

for like a patchwerk style "main tank"

[junior ivy]

im still confused about people using LS whenever its off cd

i still use LS as a big "omg im gonna die" CD

[ember arrow]

no

[crystal night]

Yeah not all fights, but lets say like an aggramar style where we need something up most the time

[ember arrow]

use it when ur out of SB

[junior ivy]

so whatgs my "omg im gonna die" CD?

what's*

[ember arrow]

that shoudnt happen

[junior ivy]

but it does

[ember arrow]

if properly played

[junior ivy]

lol

im still learning BFA warrior tanking 😦

[ember arrow]

@crystal night DS for first 4 stacks, then SB for last

then SB+SW for foebreaker

something like that

but aggra is legion boss, so its not really a valid ocmparison

[somber dragon]

we (hopefully) aren't going to be seeing the same kinds of (nearly ridiculous) damage patterns in bfa, since everyone has been kinda cut off at the knees

[crystal night]

dude i LOVED using my artifact ability for foe breaker

on M agg

I would take 0 damage

the one encounter i used it on haha

[ember arrow]

i used ravager + avatar + BC for maasive aoe dps @undone sun

did i do it right?

[crystal night]

holy shit that is a ton lol

if only we had both 😦

[undone sun]

[crystal night]

BC and avatar

[ember arrow]

BC=avatar now

it basically replaced it

[final mist]

Levko, if you're saving LS for "Oh shit!" moments, you're doing it wrong.

[crystal night]

Yeah

[ember arrow]

RF was better in legion than avatar, because avatar lasted 20 sec, while RF was up 100%

[final mist]

You should never be in that situation to begin with.

[crystal night]

I love the Tclap CDR and avatar build

[ember arrow]

oops

sal did i say i was?

[crystal night]

all good.

[ember arrow]

i said specifically that LS is used for SB extention

[somber dragon]

with a team you know, "oh shit" doesn't happen... but when you are a casual pugchamp like me.... it's just a way of life 😄

[crystal night]

Yes

[final mist]

[ember arrow]

well compared to SW

LS is for oh shit

that was the context

[crystal night]

Yes

that makes more sense 😛

[somber dragon]

context is so very important, i keep trying to teach people that in another community i'm in for ttrpg games 😄

[final mist]

Neither should be OS compared to the other, because you should be using both proactively to reduce damage so that there is no oh shit

[crystal night]

STOP SCREENSHOTTING ME YOURE MAKING ME LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT. ( i am an idiot )

[somber dragon]

dude

this village only has room for one idiot

[crystal night]

😛

[ember arrow]

your eright sal, but my point was that SW was not for OS at all, while LS was comparatively

[somber dragon]

and it's me

[crystal night]

Yeah shield wall has to be before

[somber dragon]

everything except LS has to be before

even LS can be after since the heal won't be "wasted" (I think?)

[ember arrow]

ironically, an ability named "last stand" is used first

for SB uptime

[somber dragon]

also, if the raid/group isn't going to need it, RC isn't a bad CD either 😄

and don't forget to keep BS up to buff IP 😄

[crystal night]

So if I have to have extended amounts of time for active mitigation, lets sayyyy a +15 fortified pack of adds that take a minute and 30 sec to die. Would it make sense to use last stand first as active mitigation, then use my shield blocks and let anger management bring my last stand back up while I use Shield block x 2, demo shout + ip, shockwave, to be able to use Last STand twice?

[ember arrow]

in m+ RC should not be used that often for others, unless m+ will have more groupwide unavoidable aoe

which i thoguht they wanted to reduce

[hollow oxide]

Frustrating as fck. I guess i will play Monk or paladin

[ember arrow]

👋

[somber dragon]

that wasn't a useful comment

[hollow oxide]

👋

[ember arrow]

@crystal night use SB first, that way LS will be used while charges recharge

if u start with LS, u waste SB recharge

[somber dragon]

also, don't count out random victory rush procs 😄

[ember arrow]

u still use IP/revenge during LS

so AM is still being reduced cd

even though TC will take up most of the casts

[somber dragon]

it would be nicer if VR was like "hit the baddy in the last x % of it's life" instead of "killing blow"

[ember arrow]

assuming u start with avatar too

[strong forum]

idk that would be somewhat op

but more availability would be decent

[ember arrow]

do u have to do killing blow, or participate in kill like war machine in legion for fury?

i havent really checked

[somber dragon]

KB for VR

[strong forum]

last hit

[ember arrow]

oh then its not that good

[strong forum]

literally the last hit

[crystal night]

@ember arrow Ty so much man that makes a LOT more sense

[somber dragon]

yeah, you want to always be burning rage if you can be

[ember arrow]

also, most mobs dotn start with their most damaging attacks, so delaying LS for some time will let u tank those easier too

WHILE rechargign sb charges

[strong forum]

yup

just gotta keep in mind to not use SB while LS is up 😄

[crystal night]

Yes thats what I was looking for

[somber dragon]

i wonder if i should go back on some toon and try to get draenor pathfinder before i fucking try and level through that shitstorm on the new warrior

[strong forum]

that will take some getting used to

[crystal night]

I made weak auras to track all their CD and when they are up on me so I hope I dont overlap that ( that would be bad )

[strong forum]

level new warrior

DansGame

[ember arrow]

i see LS duration

[strong forum]

transfer or boost

[ember arrow]

dont press SB during it

[somber dragon]

i wanted the heritage newcow armor damnit 😄

[strong forum]

welll

true

[somber dragon]

probably gonna be running my orc warr as my main

[strong forum]

🤔

ima race change

and level whenever i feel like

to get the armor

[junior ivy]

i feel like i ask this a lot but i still dunno the asnwer. is demo shout an offensive CD or defensive CD?

[somber dragon]

i boosted a nelf mage, because i didn't have a mage on this server

mostly defensive

unless yer farming

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy with BV, its usedon cd, so offensive, without BV, its defensive

[strong forum]

im dreading the days where i "have" to level for heritage armor

[junior ivy]

hm

okay

im still trying to learn this new rotation

but i get confused

i do okay, i did some +18s, chested them

but scared to try higher keys

[ember arrow]

grievous is quite annoying on warrior

i noticed

[strong forum]

grievous in general is quite dangerous RN

since healers are much weaker

[ember arrow]

dk also hates it, since it doesnt count to dmg taken in last 5 sec

[strong forum]

cant just insta fullheal

[ember arrow]

so its much more an issue than be4

in legion all tanks cud ignore it

and be 100%

not anymore

[strong forum]

yup

thats why people on beta run double healer

for grievous

[ember arrow]

that seems excessive

[strong forum]

nope

[cloud bone]

is grievous one of the affixes that's going away in bfa?

[strong forum]

no

[ember arrow]

is it NECESSARY

[strong forum]

yes

[ember arrow]

how they gonna complete intime then

[strong forum]

disc

dps op

[cloud bone]

disc andd normal heals

[strong forum]

2 discs

[somber dragon]

disc is stupid OP right now >.<

[cloud bone]

or that

[junior ivy]

whenb do i use IP?

[ember arrow]

whenever u need to reduce dmg taken

[strong forum]

does 18s

[somber dragon]

to burn rage and/or ontop of SB for a mini-CD (IMHO)

[strong forum]

asks when to use ip

what

[crystal night]

Is there a way to put my weak auras from live onto beta?

[strong forum]

copy paste

[ember arrow]

18s arent that high tbh for really minaxing tanking

[somber dragon]

if you can do 18+ without knowing how to IP, can i haz your gear 😄

[strong forum]

if you pug it is 😄

[junior ivy]

okay my point is like IP is a big CD that i can rarely use now

so i save it for cases where im getitng big damage?

and not just when i have nothing esle to use?

[somber dragon]

no

[strong forum]

thats just bad

cant explain when to use IP

[kind urchin]

I use it as a maintenance buff mainly.

[somber dragon]

if you have excess rage, and are taking damage, IP is solid

[strong forum]

i just know it

[somber dragon]

it isn't "OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA NO DAMAGE" anymore

[junior ivy]

okay

so its not really a CD its just use it when its available

[somber dragon]

but it still will smooth nicely

[junior ivy]

but with all this GCD stuff it becomes more complicated

[somber dragon]

and when stacked ontop of SB, it is actually pretty stronk

[junior ivy]

does it take priority over SS

[ember arrow]

not complicated

delayed

[junior ivy]

or TC

etc

or SB

[ember arrow]

u use it when needed

it isnt a prio system

[strong forum]

revenge isnt so potent to not use IP

[somber dragon]

it isn't rotational like the above ones

[kind urchin]

I try to make sure I use it before I cap (or over cap) rage.

[ember arrow]

also SB isnt on gcd

so thats irrelevant

[junior ivy]

sometimes ill wanna use IP, but thats a GCD and SS is also availabvle and so is SB

so which do i use

oh

i didnt realize

but still what if SS is available too

[strong forum]

WHAT

[somber dragon]

if you aren't going to rage cap

[strong forum]

if you have 70 rage why use SS over IP

[somber dragon]

i'd hit SB/SS and then IP

[strong forum]

just use IP and then SS

LUL

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy SS generates rage

[strong forum]

if you dont have IP up use it

[ember arrow]

if u have capped rage

then SS is just dmg

[strong forum]

how can you do 18s honestly

[junior ivy]

i never know how much rage i have

[strong forum]

im baffled 😄

[junior ivy]

tbh

[somber dragon]

if yer capped, hit IP then SS/SB 😄

ummm, then fix your UI 😄

[junior ivy]

i only know how much rage i have in the sense that certain abilities only light up to be used when i hgave 40 rage

my rage showsd on my UI i just dont look

[ember arrow]

????????????????????

[kind urchin]

At 70 rage I'd still use SS. Then IP.

[ember arrow]

how can u not know how much rage u got

[junior ivy]

but i will start looking once i learn to keybind

[strong forum]

so lemme get this straight, clicker, doesnt know when to use IP, doesnt know how much rage he has. Still does 18s

HOW

😄

[junior ivy]

im good at +18s

ive chested +20s

[somber dragon]

i'm going to go shower, i must be in some sorta wierd dreamscape

[strong forum]

im baffeled

[junior ivy]

and i have 75 pulls on mythic argus

[strong forum]

yea

[somber dragon]

i need your team cat 😄

[strong forum]

thats... amazing

im not even mad thats amazing

[junior ivy]

i have 3k m+ score

[somber dragon]

i don't get mad, i get medicated 😄

[strong forum]

im at a loss for words

[junior ivy]

https://raider.io/characters/us/sargeras/Kats

[strong forum]

literally 😄

[junior ivy]

see i am good.

[strong forum]

yes i believe you

[junior ivy]

im literally just trying to learn new rotation since BFA prepatch

[strong forum]

but you sound like someone who just hit 110

[kind urchin]

I think Cat's trolling us.

[strong forum]

thats actually funny

[junior ivy]

lol i'm not trolling

[ember arrow]

cat is memeing

[junior ivy]

i just literally feel like i dunon how to play waRRIOR anymore

cause of prepatch changes

[strong forum]

you did a +18 with a 226 healer

wtf

[kind urchin]

Oh yeah... That did happen didn't it?

[junior ivy]

is 226 good

i dunno the new ilvls

[strong forum]

BRUV

[junior ivy]

what would that be in old ilvl?

the healer was a guildies alt

[strong forum]

like 940

[junior ivy]

oh hahaha

uyeh i figured he was low ilvl casue he was an alt that isnt played much

[strong forum]

i really have to get a guild

this woulda been impossible for pugs

[junior ivy]

is there any point in pushing my m+ score right now?

i assume itll reset for bfa right?

[strong forum]

ofc

its just for show off

[junior ivy]

maybe ill do some keys

while i practice keybinding

[strong forum]

huh

i did a +16 with a 195 pally

so we basically 4 manned it

huh

[junior ivy]

ive 4 manned lots of 16s cause ive sold some

[strong forum]

well yea but thats wasnt pugging was it

[junior ivy]

lol, i pugged a lot of +15s i sold

id jsut go in trade chat and say "LF people to sell +15s with"

and people would msg me

and we'd forma group and advertised we are sellin 15s

usually didnt even use discord

[strong forum]

well yea before prepatch that was ez

[junior ivy]

yup

so easy

[strong forum]

didnt even need a healer

[junior ivy]

i used to do double carries

with strangers

and no discord

and 2 chest them

[main vault]

I'd hope so, it's a 15

[junior ivy]

now i find keys weird. soemtimes since pre patch ill do a 15 and it seems hard

then ill do a 19 and it seems super easy

[strong forum]

all depends on your dps tbh

[kind urchin]

What Nom said.

[junior ivy]

yeh i guess so

[strong forum]

if your dps is shit ofc it feels harder

which is literally my lifes m+ story in legion

shit dps everywhere

[junior ivy]

i got a section of my friends list

for m+ [people

that i know are good

so i always try and bring someone from there

[strong forum]

you have more friends in that specifc group than i have on my entire bnet list

[junior ivy]

lolol

[strong forum]

#antisocial

[lapis gazelle]

Who needs friends lol?

[strong forum]

well ever since TBC i've played this game with only 1 friend

never really acquainted people

[lapis gazelle]

I've made a few raid friends

Hopefully they come back for BfA

[strong forum]

ill actively try to find people

never done that

[lapis gazelle]

They were just the people who actually spoke and helped out during raids

Then we all just kinda banded together

[junior ivy]

i add too many people just cause they are gnomes tbh

like half my "randoms" section is just random gnomes

[lapis gazelle]

oof

[strong forum]

oof indeed

i aint addin randoms

specially bad ones

[lapis gazelle]

tbh most of my friends are probably bad but so am I so it doesn't matter

[junior ivy]

my friends are mostly better than me

[strong forum]

i wish i had friends that are good at games

but all of em are bad

😦

well except 1 but he has a life now

[junior ivy]

2 of my IRL friends came back to wow for BFA and i was so excited

then they went horder

horde

😦

[strong forum]

uugh

[lapis gazelle]

What's wrong with that?

[strong forum]

i have a couple of peeps trying to win me over for horde

NO

i regretted playing horde before

i wont go back

[junior ivy]

its wrong casue im alliance so i cant play with them

thats all

[lapis gazelle]

tru

[glacial sage]

goblins are horde gnomes

but green bois

[strong forum]

with weird faces and animations

[glacial sage]

Yeah, but gnomes also have weird animations

and faces

[strong forum]

not as bad as goblins imo

goblin caster okay

but not melee

[junior ivy]

i dont like goblins

[glacial sage]

They got huge ears

[junior ivy]

theyre not cute

[strong forum]

i'd rather play pand-- no i wont

[glacial sage]

Nobody would take that

[strong forum]

who likes playing fat guys with tiny shoulders

im a proud dwarf

[junior ivy]

my horde warrior is a blood elf

but i barely play it

[strong forum]

i was tauren for like 1 month, hated it to death, played b11 for 3 weeks then swapped back to alliance

[junior ivy]

yeh i dont like horde

i only like being gnome

[sick sentinel]

what a real man

[strong forum]

im starting to think that cat might not be of the male gender

trying not to offend anybody

[sick sentinel]

did you just assume her gender?

[strong forum]

trying

[junior ivy]

hahah

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/92mphn/for_those_of_you_who_dont_know_what_class_to_pick/?utm_content=thumbnail&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=wow

i was kind of offended when i saw this

and you can only get to warrior by saying you';re not a girl

[strong forum]

#protection btw

[junior ivy]

yeh sorry back to prot stuff

[strong forum]

😄

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior ivy]

i am determined to learn keybinding

im signing up for an EoA 19

and im gonna practrice keybinds

maybe 19 is too high for practice

[glacial sage]

You're gonna practice in a 19?

[junior ivy]

yeh i might try a 15 or 16

[glacial sage]

thats better

[eager cairn]

My guild told me they weren’t going to climb M+ with a prot warrior the other day

[junior ivy]

im only practicing 4 keybinds

[strong forum]

HERESY

[junior ivy]

SS, devestate, TC and revenge

are my only keybindds

besides heroic leap an d taunt

[strong forum]

thats just ignorance tbh scaredrabbit

[eager cairn]

#feelsbadman

[strong forum]

i asked ciralliou from kjells angels today about how different warri feels on beta to heal

he never played with a warrior

so he doesnt actually know

[main vault]

Sounds like you are in a shit guild

[eager cairn]

That’s what all the really good m+ people say

[strong forum]

and thats applicable to the entire community tbh

[eager cairn]

“I never played with a warrior on beta but they are shit”

[strong forum]

exactly

[junior ivy]

we arent even that bad 😦

[strong forum]

we arent

but the top m+ players dont know

becuase they refuse to try

also

in 3 hrs tank panel

with naowh, slootbad, shakib, i believe divinefield and someone else from MDI

[main vault]

Where

[eager cairn]

Oh shit that happened

I mean.. happening

[strong forum]

twitch.tv/ciralliou i think

[lapis gazelle]

I still need to find a guild

Oof

[glacial sage]

Why would someone need a guild? Pugs are the way to go

[eager cairn]

Do you guys pvp as prot too ?

[strong forum]

prot pvp

[glacial sage]

no, I like winning

[strong forum]

get out of here

heresy

[main vault]

*pvp

[undone sun]

i dont pvp haHAA

[main vault]

Lulz

[eager cairn]

Hahaha

[strong forum]

if you like winning dont play prot in pvp

[eager cairn]

Really? They butchered it?

[strong forum]

what

[junior ivy]

som,eone told me prot was good at pvp once

[eager cairn]

Wasn’t prot amazing in legion for pvp?

[glacial sage]

I do world pvp as prot because I like killing 970+ people in 5 seconds

[strong forum]

Tanks dont belong in pvp

[junior ivy]

i like being hard to kill though

[eager cairn]

I looked at the arena rankings and prot was always on there in the top 2-3 pages

[errant wing]

for rbg you need tanks to flag carry

[strong forum]

ofc there was the rbg bullshit coming

RBG is garbo imo

real pvp is arena

[glacial sage]

^

[strong forum]

the only acceptable kind of pvp

[junior ivy]

i jsut wanna do enough pvp to get mounts

ialready for my 4 prestige mount

[glacial sage]

Swap to fury

[junior ivy]

got*

[eager cairn]

Alright but for real ya’ll are a good bunch. How are you guys enjoying prot right now in general? Does the “rotation” feel good?

[strong forum]

a tank in pvp is like being a turtle in a race

you will get there

you wont get hurt

but dont help anybody

i enjoy prot

[junior ivy]

the rotation still confuses me a bit sacredrabbit

bvut i do enjoy it

[ember arrow]

@strong forum beinga cc bot is bis

[eager cairn]

Is it the shield block that’s confusing?

[strong forum]

i dont have a bad feeling about it, if you played legion apparently a lot of folks need to adjust to it... i didnt need to adjust, i just did

[junior ivy]

everything about it is confusing to me lol

[strong forum]

most people are confused about is IP being on GCD

[junior ivy]

but i do okjay enough to be doing +19s

so im happy

[strong forum]

they cant make up their mind where to use it

[eager cairn]

At least you have a guild that will take you on +19s

😂

[strong forum]

🙌

[junior ivy]

true but tbh i pug a lot of m+s

[ember arrow]

if u got a guild that refuses to even try pushing with a certain tank with a guildie

thats a shit guild

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/AngelsKjell/status/1022935239541313536

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@main vault

[ember arrow]

is this Scopoints 2?

[strong forum]

no because these are m+ tanks

[eager cairn]

Isn’t Naow a healer?

[strong forum]

what

naowh was #1 tank on rio for the longst time

[glacial sage]

For any high keys/content my guild has me bring my brewmaster

[eager cairn]

Or wait nvm

[strong forum]

he had WF 28 and 29

and all of em have extensive knowledge about beta

so its gonna be interesting

and all of em are MDI competitors

[eager cairn]

All those guys say prot is shit from what I understand

I’m not sure about Naow

[strong forum]

naowhs memes the most

about prot

so dont expect anything good from him about prots

[eager cairn]

They all do

[strong forum]

shakib doesnt

and sloot is analytic

unlike naowh

[heavy isle]

Sloot says it's, "Viable, everyone's favorite word."

[eager cairn]

Hahaha

[strong forum]

its gonna be a bit more than that tonight

[eager cairn]

I actually hate that word

[strong forum]

but my guess will be prot will hardly be spoken about

since none of those actually played prot on beta

or prepatch

[eager cairn]

Ya exactly

You nailed it Nom

[strong forum]

so techincally itll be scopoints 2.0

[eager cairn]

Yup!

[heavy isle]

Uh, Sloot leveled a Warrior to 120 and did a good amount of M+ on it

[strong forum]

did he?

[heavy isle]

Yes.

[eager cairn]

He didn’t do high keys with it though

If I remember

[strong forum]

thought sloot only played pally

[heavy isle]

He plays all the tanks

[strong forum]

i know he plays all of em

[heavy isle]

Has for quite a while.

[strong forum]

but i only see him on pally on beta

literally all the time

[eager cairn]

I’ve honestly only seen him play pally the last month

[heavy isle]

Because he prefers it over Waarrior

[strong forum]

having leveld prot warri in beta week 1

and then never touch it again

is the same as having not played at all

so idk man

[heavy isle]

It wasn't week one

It was back when Bolster was changed

[eager cairn]

Are there any good streamers that actually play warrior besides Sco?

[strong forum]

sense

[heavy isle]

Because he talked about how broken bolster is.

[eager cairn]

Sco did actually play one right

[main vault]

Sco good streamer lulz

[strong forum]

but thats about it

sco isnt good though

[undone sun]

[eager cairn]

I know you all will bash him bc of his shit talk

[main vault]

And because he isn't that good

[eager cairn]

But he’s the only streamer I know that at least tried it

[strong forum]

his arguments arent good

[ember arrow]

gottem

[strong forum]

and doesnt take bolster

[ember arrow]

that you know of

[strong forum]

that alone desevers hate

[ember arrow]

thats the kicker

[eager cairn]

True true

[strong forum]

him not taking bolster makes his opinion invalid

imo

[eager cairn]

Do you guys think Warr will be good on grevious?

[kind urchin]

He doesn't take bolster?

[strong forum]

nope he doesnt

he took indom

[ember arrow]

no tank is "good" on grievous

u must be healed

grievous doenst count towards dmg taken

[eager cairn]

They nerfed self healing?

[ember arrow]

for DS

[strong forum]

alot

[ember arrow]

alooot

[eager cairn]

Oh shit

[kind urchin]

We're all "viable" on grievous.

[strong forum]

no tank can self sustain anymore

every tank needs a healer

[eager cairn]

So prot should be beast then

Can we mitigate any of grevious or is it 100% reliant on healing?

[kind urchin]

We are beast if you ask me.

[strong forum]

in my head prot is comperable to monk

tbh

cant midigate grievous

it does a flat amount %hp

[strong forum]

you can prevent getting grievous yes

but not midigate it

[glacial sage]

For the majority of legion I was doing like 1 mil hps through ignore pain and I wasn't really reliant on healers, now its crazy having to ask for heals

[strong forum]

well its not 20% anymore

its 7% at 5stacks

wasnt it

[eager cairn]

Wait where does IP fall in?

[undone sun]

oh indeed it is, even shows under the changelog

[eager cairn]

Does that block any grevious?

[strong forum]

IP? is a 50% absorbtion

idk

[eager cairn]

It doesn’t say anything about absorbs

[strong forum]

i actually dont know

[kind urchin]

I though ignore pain gave a little buffer to grievous damage.

[eager cairn]

If we can IP grevious that might be OP lol

[kind urchin]

Thought*

[strong forum]

pretty sure it goes through

too lazy to test btw

[eager cairn]

Stop being lazy

So that the rest of us can

Ty 😃

[undone sun]

quick look at logs, looks like it is affected

[strong forum]

so we can midigate grievous with IP

[eager cairn]

Opposite

[kind urchin]

Pretty sure it did before pre patch.

[eager cairn]

Thyme you meant it can’t mitigate right?

[undone sun]

yeah, i remember grevious being a non-issue in early legion

it can

it is affected by ip

[eager cairn]

Oh shiiiiiit

Well there you go

Perfect reason to bring warr

[kind urchin]

Ip is just less effective now.

[strong forum]

well still 1 IP = 2-3 ticks of grievous

thats big

[kind urchin]

Because its smaller and only 50%

[strong forum]

still stronger than nothing

thats huge imo

[somber dragon]

any damage reduction means faster pulling generally

[strong forum]

you can midigate 50% of the entire affix

the only tank that can

[kind urchin]

Oh yeah. So we should take 10% health per tick until ip runs out.

[eager cairn]

The more I think about it the less of a big deal it is bc other tanks can just heal themselves anyway which probably mitigates just as much as IP if not more

[strong forum]

as mentioned before DS doesnt take the dmg from grievous into account

guarok

grievous is 7%

at 5 stacks

not 20%

the tooltip thyme sent was incorrect

[kind urchin]

Oh

[strong forum]

you get me now

[somber dragon]

DS doesn't take it into effect, but if you are in a pull, taking damage and slinging DS, you should be "ok" as a BDK/DH with their healing model

[strong forum]

1 IP = 2-3 ticks of grievous

[kind urchin]

So 3.5% per stack

[strong forum]

yea

[eager cairn]

@somber dragon exactly

[strong forum]

what no

[kind urchin]

Easy game. Easy life.

[strong forum]

its 7% with 5 stacks

[somber dragon]

but, they are still a lot squishier than they used to be

[strong forum]

idk slay

[eager cairn]

It just means that IP is not necessarily better than other tanks when it comes to grevious

[strong forum]

it is

[eager cairn]

Apples and oranges

[somber dragon]

at least my bdk felt that way to me

IP is better as it is the only way to reduce the damage from it

[strong forum]

say you take 60% dmg in the last 5seconds

[somber dragon]

the other tanks might be able to counteract it somehow

but not nearly as easily

[strong forum]

and 14%of that was grievous

[eager cairn]

You can reduce the damage but bdks and DH can just heal

[somber dragon]

they can heal but not enough to keep up with it

[eager cairn]

Not a LOT of healing

But just as much as IP

[strong forum]

you will only heal 46% of the 60% on bdk

so its quite punishing on bdk i reckon

[somber dragon]

you'll only heal for 25% of that 46%

😄

[strong forum]

yea

[somber dragon]

so yeah, it's not horribad

but i feel IP will be stronger in terms of damage prevented from the affix

[eager cairn]

Hmm

[strong forum]

so you take 60% dmg and heal what 15% of that 60%

back

idk man im just rambling

[somber dragon]

without the artifact and inflated stamina, DS isn't the uberheal it was

[eager cairn]

What does IP equate to in healing?

[strong forum]

13%HP

[eager cairn]

50%?

[strong forum]

• -1 %

what exactly do you want to hear

[eager cairn]

You said those tanks can heal 15% of grevious back roughly

[strong forum]

its a 50% absorption shield over roughly 13% of your HP

[somber dragon]

do you want to hear that warrior sucks? cuz... it don't... it's just a bit higher skill floor than bdk/bear 😄

[undone sun]

haHAA

[eager cairn]

No not at all

If anything I’m saying they are just as good

I’m just curious now if IP is stronger than other tanks on grevious is all

[somber dragon]

as long as you aren't MDI/Mythic Raid progression, you can play whatever tank you want and probably be able to not piss anyone off if you have the skills to do your job (hold threat/not die) 😄

[strong forum]

what specifically do you mean by "what does IP equate to in healing"

[somber dragon]

in a vaccum

IP is stronger

but in terms of whole kits

i'd say it's a smidge stronger against greivous

but it won't be like "ok, nobody but warriors grevious week"

[eager cairn]

Damn was hoping we would be meta. Kidding 😉

[strong forum]

na

meta will still be BDK

since VDH cant sustain as good in ST

[somber dragon]

meta is gonna be vdh/rogue/disc +brez +bloodlust 😄

[strong forum]

but tank panel tonight will answer alot of questions

[somber dragon]

hopefully someone records it so i can watch it later 😦

[strong forum]

twitch does

automatically

[somber dragon]

ok, so hopefully someone can pin it so i can be a lazy shitlord and just click later on 😄

[strong forum]

meta will be VDH/BDK,affli, rogue, disc

and maybe boomy

maybe an arms warri here and there

[somber dragon]

i'm glad i'm not mdi or mythic prog, i mean, i don't wanna be sub 10+ keys my whole bfa, but i'm in no rush to be amazeballs

[astral notch]

I would assume most groups would prioritise the buffs. Monk and DH seem likely to me. Maybe a mage for the extra 3% intellect for the healer.

[strong forum]

i wanna clear +10 day1 m+ release

at the very latest atleast in week 1 of m+ release

[somber dragon]

i'm a hardcore theorycrafter/casual player 😄

[cosmic cargo]

dont underestimate monk and pala

they can compete with dk and dh for dungeon tanks

[astral notch]

I'm curious if the best m+ team will be vdh, mistweaver, mage, arms/fury, rogue/hunter

[cosmic cargo]

specially on such a kite heavy meta

[kind urchin]

If its a melee heavy group or with hunters warrior would amazing.

[cosmic cargo]

mistweaver over disc, doubt

[astral notch]

I'm thinking about the 5% melee increase

If you go full melee you don't need a dh, and can use brew

[strong forum]

5% dmg from mistweaver

or dps from disc

disc dps is giga rn

tbh if blizzard wanted to kill kiting

they shoulde've just made it so mobs cant be slowed more than 20% baseline in dungeons

CC yes, but slows no

[sour wigeon]

what is the tank panel tonight?

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/AngelsKjell/status/1022935239541313536

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[sour wigeon]

tyvm!

[robust urchin]

Anyone tried Prot Paladin?

I feel like i have a much smoother dmg intake on the paladin then the warrior

[ember arrow]

yes

[cosmic cargo]

it is smoother cause higher AM uptime

[ember arrow]

🤔

[cosmic cargo]

the gap is made even bigger in pre-patch if you wear the soul ring

[coral dew]

Better boots for tanking: Adidas or Timberlands?

Probably Timbs right?

[somber dragon]

Doc Martins

[main vault]

I like army boots

[lapis gazelle]

Just rock some vans

[strong forum]

tanking boots

[coral dew]

my god...

[cosmic spruce]

haha

[old zephyr]

It does secure the ankle, and sure footing is key to proper positioning.

[eager cairn]

Question: why do you love to tank?

[main vault]

Because most people suck so bad at it

[junior ivy]

i like feeling kind of invincible

[main vault]

I like being able to control the fights and shot call. Along with bad tanks everywhere

[frank mantle]

So who is hosting the tank panel? Or are they all streaming it

[strong forum]

What nexii said

I'm guessing everyone

Is hosting it

Dunno how the healer panel went, I missed it

[main vault]

Secondaries are so close now it doesn't matter

You want haste, but not at the expense of stats in general

If same ilvl you'll choose the one with haste

Get used to i guess

[robust urchin]

Im having a really hard time deciding what to level up first and or main in bfa tbh

Its either Prot Warrior or Paladin

[robust urchin]

Warlock it is then

Does flaskataur do anything on the beta right nwo?

[junior ivy]

according to this i should be a druid.

[brittle timber]

I qualify as everything but druid and paladin...depending on my level of self denial at the time

[strong forum]

apparently im supposed to be no class

since there is no option to say no to the double jump

[junior ivy]

druid fits me perfectly but im not a druid

if i could go back in time and choose a different class though..

i think id choose druid.

[glacial sage]

we're all overcompensating

[strong forum]

am i? 🤔

i guess

[astral crystal]

sloot talking about prot warr, said it's underrated

thank you based sloot

[strong forum]

tuning in right now!

oh

warri

❤

btw my guess would be best healer for warri would be druid or mistweaver eh

or just plain disc ofc

[fresh idol]

what is the stream link?

[strong forum]

its just sloots stream

www.twitch.tv/sloot

[fresh idol]

thanks brother

[strong forum]

+7 with 338? dayum

[astral crystal]

got a fatty mw monk healing

the BIS

[fresh idol]

warrior is looking fun 👍

[strong forum]

time for sloot to show the world that prot isnt bad

[astral crystal]

"why arey ou playing prot warr" "i'm feeling masochistic"

th-thanks sloot...

[strong forum]

yea.. people will take it way too serious

[astral crystal]

yeah lol

[solid sun]

He said it was good enough but provided some fair criticism.

[strong forum]

ofc

but the masochistic bit

thats what sparks peoples interest

not the good stuff

[solid sun]

I think the people who frequent Sloot's channel will know he was being sarcastic.

😃

He also had an interesting take on secondary stats.

Obviously Haste is high but he has a pretty high opinion on Mastery.

Whereas I've mostly seen Vers > Mastery from a lot of people's opinions.

[strong forum]

versa >= mastery

its pretty much equal since versa is flat dr

[solid sun]

It would seem Sloot disagrees.

I thought that was interesting.

[ember arrow]

all stats will be super close in bfa

secondary

[tender phoenix]

whats the best race for a Prot warrior on ally?

[strong forum]

dank iron dwarf

next to human i guess

or normal dwarf imo

[tender phoenix]

is nelf 3rd on the list?

[strong forum]

i mean its 2% dodge

🤷

[tender phoenix]

and less beard clip then a dwarf

[strong forum]

🤷 is love dwarfs

aight boys

seems like its starting soon

[tender phoenix]

what is?

[strong forum]

tank panel

[tender phoenix]

oh...

[strong forum]

tank panel is starting now, sooo for any tank interested ogog

[tender phoenix]

can i get a link to it plz

[strong forum]

twitch.tv/sloot
twitch.tv/lepanto3
twitch.tv/ciralliouu

twitch.tv/naowh

[tender phoenix]

thank you very much

[slate obsidian]

I mean Sloot playing prot is nice and stuff...

bUT wiLl iT GraNt uS MOrE sCoPoiNTs?

[uncut hawk]

Best Horde race? Tauren? Trolls?

[waxen talon]

i would say trolls cuz haste + regen in combat

[empty nacelle]

i want to see the zandalari racials

[waxen talon]

me too

but gotta wait 😭

[empty nacelle]

since i like them aesthetically

[waxen talon]

i dislike the dino crap

but they got regen so its a good start

imo da voodo shuffle + regen + berserk are the 3 out of 3 relevant and they all feel pretty decent as a warrior

so i think Zandalari is gonna dissapoint.

Dark iron has the dream combo 😦

[ember arrow]

can you outrange the "coup de grace" from mobs in brh

just got hit 3 times 45k each in a 22

[little star]

ye u can

they are rooted while doing it so just run back a bit or something

[ember arrow]

well that didnt quite work, since i was 15 yards away

roughly

[strong forum]

yey as soon prot warri was mentioned everybody snickered...

yey...

[little star]

well its a frontal cleave so just walk to the side or somti

[silk mortar]

Little late but you should be able to dodge the coup the grace no probs

[broken kite]

@strong forum you're surprised? XD

[strong forum]

not surprised

disappointed

[broken kite]

@uncut hawk orc

[earnest sand]

Anyone who uses ThreatPlates know how to modify the style for your current target? Sometimes I have trouble discerning which of the plates is my current target.

[kind urchin]

Seemed like Sloot was defending prot warrior... Then agreed with the other guys that it's not good. I think he just didn't want to be ostracized by the tank community.

[cinder pasture]

@earnest sand in the options, click on widgets then "Target Highlight" and you can change some stuff in there

[earnest sand]

Aha! ty Abusqa

[strong forum]

no they agreed that prot is okay

but not for high end pushing

and sloot also tried to get peeps away from their memes

[ember arrow]

m + pushing ye

[strong forum]

was mostly M+ talk

raiding was hardly considered

[heavy isle]

It was an MDI tank discussion. Makes sense that they wouldn't talk about raiding.

[strong forum]

ofc

[tepid oar]

If it was a discussion about raiding, the warrior would come out bottom

[strong forum]

ah.. another troll

[lapis gazelle]

😦

[tepid oar]

Hardly, I've played prot warrior since vanilla

[final mist]

[tepid oar]

How many prot warriors were in the top 100 raiding kills any tier in Legion?

[strong forum]

whos talking bout legion

[final mist]

Is BfA Legion?

Also, Exorsus exists.

[tepid oar]

How has BfA improved prot? It has made us weaker

[strong forum]

not for raiding

[tepid oar]

Lower uptime on Shield Block and nerfed IP

[ember arrow]

dk lost absorb on BS, lost leech, lost DS healing

how bout that

[strong forum]

for raiding we got stronger imo

[tepid oar]

Please elaborate

[strong forum]

Block is a billion times stronger

and we have very high uptime due to bolster

[ember arrow]

short cds

[shut summit]

If only there were prot warrs in top 100 in legion

[final mist]

Idk Sense, I think there was, but.

I'm not sure...

[shut summit]

[tepid oar]

I agree block is strong, but it is hit or miss. We don't have high enough uptime to make it reliable

[ember arrow]

???

bolster>15 sec>2 SB>12sec>another 2 SB>12 sec

[strong forum]

you have literally 40seconds of uptime

[tepid oar]

Sure you can go Bolster and use the LS to increase your uptime. What's then going to be your "oh shit" button when you go low?

[strong forum]

you dont want to rely on a oh shit button

[ember arrow]

if u need oh shit buttons on warr

u fucked up

[final mist]

You should never need, "Oh shit!" buttons because you should never be in that situation in the first place.

[strong forum]

^

[ember arrow]

thats not how warr works

[final mist]

If you are, that's either your healers not healing you or your own fault.

Most likely both.

[strong forum]

^

i heard people talking about prot being really strong on Ghuun

[final mist]

We mitigate damage proactively, we don't take a huge hit to the face and then rely on Last Stand to help us survive the melee afterwards.

[ember arrow]

LS isnt DS

its hard i know

[shut summit]

uptime sucks
it doesn't cuz bolster
idc

[ember arrow]

perfect ^

[final mist]

Nah Sense, he's played since Vanilla, surely that means he knows better than us, even though BfA's iteration of Prot is vastly different than Legion's - aside from the fact that Warriors did participate in W100 kills across the entirety of Legion's raid tiers.

But what do we know?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[main vault]

So Warrior is bad because you are bad at it?

Logic is perfect

[shut summit]

Had 0 issues with 'top 100' all legion and doubt i will in bfa - take that for what you will

[main vault]

Suck at a class then talk shit about the mechanics

[tepid oar]

Right, so who's the trolls now?