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kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 AM

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Crit doesn't effect block because it's our mastery.

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:33 AM

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crit is displayed as chance to deal double dmg and/or healing

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critblock isnt in there

weary notch Jul 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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right, but I could see how that could be confusing to someone brand new

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Yeah

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It's still crit so someone could think it would work

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Should've called it MEGABLOCK

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:37 AM

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someone's lack of knowledge justm eans they have to do research

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:37 AM

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It does effect parry though. At a less diminshed rate now than in Legion.

stuck oxide Jul 28, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Does anyone know if the token roll at the end of a mythic + dungeon will be able to give an azerite piece of gear

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 2:33 AM

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But why would you want to parry?

final mist Jul 28, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Parrying is quite good, in terms of damage reduction (since, y'know, you take no damage at all).

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It's just unreliable.

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 2:37 AM

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And yields no rage

final mist Jul 28, 2018, 2:37 AM

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Except we don't generate RFDT anymore in BfA.

shut summit Jul 28, 2018, 2:38 AM

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@stuck oxide azerite armor doesnt drop from m+

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 2:38 AM

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I’m being lied to by wowhead then

final mist Jul 28, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Rage isn't gained as a percentage of damage taken - you lost out on 3 Rage from a parried or missed attack.

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In return for not taking damage at all.

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There's a difference between bad and unreliable.

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 2:40 AM

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I can't believe blizzard is stealing my 3 rage

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When will this bad company shut down

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 2:40 AM

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I mean that’s still rage from damage taken

final mist Jul 28, 2018, 2:41 AM

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No, because it's only melee attacks. Anything else doesn't give us Rage anymore, hence RFDT has been removed.

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You could argue that it still "exists", but it's quite different from it's Legion incarnation where Rage was gained as a percentage / proportion of each attack, and in BfA, the Rage lost as a result of a parry isn't actually all that much since we get 100% DR (effectively), as well as a free Revenge / Shield Slam reset chance.

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 2:42 AM

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It does

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An auto attack is still damage

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Saying that it’s changed is an accurate statement

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Saying it doesn’t exist isn’t

final mist Jul 28, 2018, 2:43 AM

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But it's not RFDT, it's RFMT. It's completely different in how it works.

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Regardless, I'm not arguing semantics. Parry is perfectly good and fine, it's just unreliable.

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Acronyms skyhold

shut summit Jul 28, 2018, 2:45 AM

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https://puu.sh/B4mwC/a32ecbb6b8.png vs https://puu.sh/B4mwT/c9414320e1.png

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🤔

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 2:52 AM

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It does end up giving you more free revenges which increases your damage output and save rage for more defensive abilities.

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I think I saw someone say a coupke days ago that parry haste is no longer in the game. It would have a lot more value especially with devastator if parry haste was still in the game.

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Couple*

fresh idol Jul 28, 2018, 2:57 AM

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amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 3:02 AM

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I don't get it

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I mean I think I do

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But I don't really

torn ice Jul 28, 2018, 3:06 AM

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i don't get why we are talking about parry we cant really control how much we get for the most part. I comes from str so unless you are wearing int gear your gonna have it. With trinkets we are gonna go with what ever has the best survivability on it wither it has str or stam or what ever.

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Crit gives parry too.

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Yeah the conversation on parry was more of a segway from the crit block question, no one was really advocating to stat crit to parry more

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 3:40 AM

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ravager

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confirmed for really good by blue names

crimson quarry Jul 28, 2018, 4:31 AM

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\[99]

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 4:33 AM

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@kind urchin parry haste isn't in the game anymore?

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Where did you hear that?

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@kind urchin free revenges does not save you rage, unless you are using Vengeance which you ordinarily won't be

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Because you can just cast Devastate instead

tiny sphinx Jul 28, 2018, 4:35 AM

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last i heard it was removed from pve encounters, so bosses couldn't parryhaste mollywhop you like fuggin brutallus or magtheridon used to

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Free revenge just means extra damage, not saved rage, if you don't have devastator and you don't have vengeance - and you shouldn't have either

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Ah. Enemies had parry haste removed ages ago. But as far as I know it is still in the game for players. It certainly was in Legion

tiny sphinx Jul 28, 2018, 4:37 AM

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but the DR to parry and dodge made it far less valuable as a mechanic

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does it even apply during die by the sword?

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because if not, i want retaliation back instead

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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Yes it did apply during die by the sword. It is/was a DPS increase to taunt the boss with 100% parry to get a few extra melee swings in

tiny sphinx Jul 28, 2018, 4:38 AM

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crazy min-maxers, you're all nuts!

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 4:39 AM

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@flat oracle's favourite

crimson quarry Jul 28, 2018, 4:58 AM

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the whole str raising IP being dumb thing, i think preach said it best- this is paraphrasing but blizz is so wrapped on babying the casual player because of the DERP DEE DUHR to secondary stats, they just eliminated secondary stats (so not to confuse them) and made str a stat that will be given exponential more on gear in bfa and hence they shouldnt be confused on which is the upgrade

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which i think is dumb by the way, because some casuals were gearing wrong- lets just take secondary stats away

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 5:07 AM

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Classes having to use 880 arcano crystals instead of 970 trinkets is not good game design in any shape or form

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Fury having to use a trinket from nighthold with a busted proc that was nerfed and changed and yet still remained BiS is not good game design

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Prot was fortunate that ilvl was for the most part was best simply because it was that str was just too important

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And won't change in BFA

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 5:36 AM

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@undone sun haha didnt you use to have like 6 action bars

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 5:37 AM

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haha

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 5:37 AM

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haha

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 5:37 AM

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out of combat

📎 Wow_2018-07-25_19-43-26.jpg

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still technically do, just out of combat

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 6:11 AM

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I mean let’s be honest

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That’s a problem with titanforging not with secondary stats

crimson quarry Jul 28, 2018, 6:14 AM

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i agree its dumb, more options always better but ive seen it with all the classes, bliz is going to center everything around your primary stat

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why bdks are so mad, no haste no rune regen- bad times

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i hope blizz has an ace up its sleeve in azerite armor 😛

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 6:29 AM

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i dont understand the hate towards tf/wf

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i would do much much less content without it

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something goes from "well there's no point me doing this beyond some weekly reward i might get" to "might get a tf/wf that makes doing this worth it"

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but thats just me 😄

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 6:36 AM

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I like it, only reason why I still run Antorus 🤷 Getting good gear is fun, idc if some LFR guy gets a 980

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 6:37 AM

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i think increasing the potential cap to tf in mythic content could solve a lot of peoples issues with it

merry cave Jul 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Because some people tie there self worth to there ilvl and can't handle others being as high

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Because God forbid there precious internet ego can't be stroked

gentle raft Jul 28, 2018, 6:39 AM

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if you do mythic you do have much better gear than people who don't. it makes no sense to envy people because of random tf procs. Anyway, I have thought about leveling and good legendaries for it and due to stats depeciating during it aggramar's stride should lose value and give less and less speed boost as you do - contrary to rethu's. Does any of you happen to know how the stats lose value up to 116?

eternal roost Jul 28, 2018, 6:52 AM

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id imagine that its disabled at 116

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

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he knows that

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hes asking how useful the boots will be up until then due to secondary stats decreasing in value

gentle raft Jul 28, 2018, 6:58 AM

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Exactly. I am trying to assess what will be better for my plate wearers. All the crafted ones are surprisingly good for leveling. Healing which reduces downtime & gives speed -- optimal.

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 7:13 AM

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im not running with boots, i really dont see the point to it

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heroic leap and mounting will be enough

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ima use sephuz and prob KJ

merry cave Jul 28, 2018, 7:26 AM

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I found the apposite I could take down any mob or group as arms with almost 0 effort the move speed was way more valuable

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And kjbw got nerfed by 50% last tested on betw

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 7:35 AM

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i really dont see the point to boots

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its hardly 30% movespeed

merry cave Jul 28, 2018, 7:50 AM

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I just plan on wearing my speed set from m+ which is 152% it feels great lol

tender berry Jul 28, 2018, 8:24 AM

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📎 speed.png

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my speed set

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 8:27 AM

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@broken kite I wasn’t complaining about wf/tf. All I was saying is it is the main reason why we saw things like arcanocrystal being so prevalent even into Antorus. Now it brings its own balancing issues clearly but on the other hand it also brings in a whole lot more options for the player and the BiS list is no longer so set in stone because anything might be an upgrade. Everyone at some point has benefitted from wf/tf and while I hate that it’s so random I also wouldn’t want blizz to take it away either.

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Anyways RIP secondary stats

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 8:30 AM

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change is scary

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thats all

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 8:32 AM

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GCD change is scary
Ftfy

rapid trench Jul 28, 2018, 8:33 AM

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More than scary

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 8:33 AM

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no i mean literally

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people are afraid of changes

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thats what it comes down to

chilly brook Jul 28, 2018, 8:33 AM

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I know what you meant 😜

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WTB execute in prot again plz

merry cave Jul 28, 2018, 9:46 AM

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@alf that's impressive

tender berry Jul 28, 2018, 10:57 AM

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it took some time to pice together but it speeds transmorg runs op a lot

vague abyss Jul 28, 2018, 11:19 AM

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@tender berry you should also get the rivendare sword for 10% move speed.

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 11:25 AM

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two xD

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 11:56 AM

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LUL

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just solo tanked aggramar nm

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ez

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

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That's pretty nuts

quartz tulip Jul 28, 2018, 12:08 PM

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is a random respawn hidden skin prot war?

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never see this sh**

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:11 PM

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you can spam log out and relog

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check the guide on wowhead

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took me 30 mins of spamming relog and the macro

tender berry Jul 28, 2018, 12:14 PM

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@vague abyss yer i solde it last time it drop >< but i still need the mound so i might get it 😃

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think is fixs the log in and out thing

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but im not a 💯 %

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 12:19 PM

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doing NL 24, people die to toxic puddles, i get kicked becasue bad tank

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?????????

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 12:23 PM

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@strong forum recently?

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:26 PM

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keys are so boring to me now that bfa is comin out soon 😦

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:27 PM

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yea 20min ago

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@undone sun

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OT was retarded and fell off at the pull

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so i just winged it

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

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sorry, i was referring to the hidden skin.

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

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oh

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xD

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no i did the hidden skin on release day ( as in when it was made available )

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

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ah okay, 99% sure that method was fixed within the week or so

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:28 PM

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oh

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rip

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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is there anything fun to do while waiting for bfa

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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i just raidlog

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waiting for bfa doing things other than wow

quartz tulip Jul 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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ty @strong forum

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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farm tmogs

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thats mostly what im doing

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:29 PM

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omg wait is the tmog loot situation for old raids fixed

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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yes

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legacy loot is active

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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so i can farm dragon soul raid finder?

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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yes

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you get 6 pieces per boss

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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how does the spine work in dragon soul raid finder?

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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just like normal

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i think

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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k then i cant do it

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cause it makes me wanna die

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:30 PM

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LUL

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 12:31 PM

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true

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:31 PM

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fairly ez if you do it like asmon

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just kill 1 tentacle

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and sit in the pit until you have like 10 blobs around you

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:31 PM

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i need hellfire citadel raid finder

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okay okjay okay they changed something on the appearances set page

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they changed somethijnhg and made it terrible

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and now i need an addon to fix it and make it normal again

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i dont like this

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📎 unknown.png

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it terlls me i completed battle gear if iron wrath right?

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but really ive only completed mythic

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i still need to finish heroic and normal

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but it doesnt tell me that anymore unless i click it and selec t the dtop down

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:32 PM

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depends of the difficulty you chose

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:33 PM

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yeh but it used to display that info on the set itself in the list

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:33 PM

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it counts as completed as soon as you have 1 set of all of em

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:33 PM

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now you gotta click it and see

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i dont like this change

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:33 PM

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change is scary

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:33 PM

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yes

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it is

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bad change 😦

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how do i queue for raid finder hellfire citadel?

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anyone know?

silk portal Jul 28, 2018, 12:34 PM

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Talk to your blind orc buddy in your garrison

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:34 PM

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google

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:35 PM

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you guys are my google when it comes to wow questions.

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 12:36 PM

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We're all enablers 😢

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 12:51 PM

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@junior ivy HFC lfr always shows as a separate list

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📎 unknown.png

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:52 PM

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I dont see those 8/8 numbers anymore @broken kite harg that's my big complaint

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Whydo you see them and not me

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 12:52 PM

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ohh sorry 😛 yeah that's an addon

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:52 PM

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well thats an addon isnt it

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you dont see those numbers without an addon

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 12:52 PM

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i think it's can I mog it

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:53 PM

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Omg one of the ones titania got me to delete lol

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Looks like I'm re-downloading lol

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:53 PM

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🤦

broken kite Jul 28, 2018, 12:53 PM

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it's a good addon, can impact performance a bit tho

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:53 PM

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well cat is the addon guru

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Yup I used to have that addon and didnt realize it had that feature

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Thought that feature was default ui

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 12:59 PM

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thats what happens when you install 156 addons

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ma dude

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 1:05 PM

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should be a default feature anyway

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:10 PM

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k so back to 84 addons 😦

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 1:23 PM

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👀

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:24 PM

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is prot warrior any good

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can't be any worse then prot paladin can it?

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:24 PM

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no its shit, the whole game is shit and every spec in the game is bad

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:24 PM

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well yea

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the combat global thing they did is pretty shit

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honestly it's made me want to quit the game for something else

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:24 PM

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cya

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:24 PM

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I don't find it enjoyable at all anymore

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honestly

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I probably should lol

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:25 PM

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well thats just sad

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and prot pally is not bad

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:25 PM

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isn't what it used to b e

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:25 PM

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change is scary

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:25 PM

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it never was good lol

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hasn't prot pala been one of the worst tanks every expansion

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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tldr no

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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wat

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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❓

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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I remember prot paladins being called the kings of trash

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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its THE lazel Pog

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:26 PM

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I don't play prot paladin

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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lazel wouldnt know its not like he is one of the best tanks in the world or anything

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youre right everything is trash

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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tried it in legion and it was a pretty nooby clas

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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go play roblox

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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there wasn't much to do

fervent goblet Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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well if u dont PLAY it then why do you argue if its bad or not?

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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thyme

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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roblox is lame man

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not even pewds plays that shit anymore

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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prot warr in EN btw

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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this lazel guy is pretty edgy and hostile

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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He was in arms channrl aswell said the same things for arms now its just prot. In a new account.

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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when I was saying it was simple I didn't mean it was a good thing

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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@blazing dune

fervent goblet Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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ye fuck lazel

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what a noob

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:28 PM

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guys can we have some positive vibes pls

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this reminds me of back home

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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if you dont enjoy the game dont play, idk what to tell you man. every spec in the game is viable right now

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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maybe it's the world of warcraft and anime pics lol

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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if you dont enjoy it then maybe its not for you

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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^

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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alrighty guys

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I'll take the paladin stuff to the paladin discord

fervent goblet Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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@sick sentinel u actually have a negativ iq

blazing dune Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Ye alright, you go do that

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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👌🏻

blazing dune Jul 28, 2018, 1:29 PM

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That's what I get for giving a second chance :(

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:30 PM

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FeelsBadMan

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:30 PM

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:(

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:30 PM

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saying paladin is trash will probably actually go over even worse in paladin discord, just to save you the time

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:30 PM

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i think hes gone

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I already told an admin in pala.

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:31 PM

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can i get focused rage back

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:31 PM

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idk man, i dont see myself getting enough rage for that in ST 😄

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in bfa

unreal star Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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@foggy sonnet

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i can get your back

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:mafre:

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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what skyhold memes did i miss

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tldr

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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o_o

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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tldr everything is bad why bother even playing

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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wow is dead

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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+1

foggy sonnet Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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tldr people with anime pictures are bad edgy players

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:32 PM

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< playing world of warraft

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its not an issue saying smt is bad, but just saying "its bad lol" and not giving reason

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is just ehhh

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:33 PM

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wow = weeb trash confirmed

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:33 PM

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how about saying something is the worst in the game and admitting you dont even play it 🤔

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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👌

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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i would know guys, i leveled one to 20 in MoP

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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i heard about someone reading a guide of noxxicthat warr is bad

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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well thats just what we warris are getting

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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so it must be true

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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xd

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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prot warri sucks cuz streamer x said so

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same thing

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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its just the usual prepatch jitters

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this has been every tier tbh

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:34 PM

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Prot paladin was only unviable in Vanilla. Since then its been able to tank just fine.

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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at least since i've been here

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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idk whats wrong wit pala

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the heal on gcd isnt that bad

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u only press it once every 12-15 sec at most

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its not like IP

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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the gcd argument is just lazy at this point

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its just people refusing to accept change

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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u mean caring about others?

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LUL

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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yes it feels bad, but ffs no reason to flame about it

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:35 PM

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u dont take light of protector anyway

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at this point

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Oh right. Preach got globaled trying to cast LotP one time so now Paladin is trash... Got it.

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:36 PM

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oh

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thats what i mean

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u take the cdr reduction if i read correctly

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:37 PM

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if every tank spec got sweeping GCD changes, a stat squish, and a self-sustain prune, that means A) all tanks are in a similar spot or B) every tank is unviable and all content will be impossible? hmmmmm

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:37 PM

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how about both

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200iq

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:37 PM

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SHIT

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meh

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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early prot 😢

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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IP shield is smaller than my hopes and dreams

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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its a little different but its not like its gamebreakingly awful

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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how it feels is subjective

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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so i dont worry about that that much

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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you get used to it Demo and IP is both on GCD

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:38 PM

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but, arguably it's not in a great spot

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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@undone sun yesterday ppl areuge we are

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now they arent

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which is it

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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im saying about how it feels

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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ah ye it feels garbage

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actualy gcd

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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it's on real gcd

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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It is on the gcd

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:39 PM

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IP feels like u get 500ping for 1 gcd

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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pins

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btw

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Lol

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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well everything is explained there

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oh

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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lucky you

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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U should lazel

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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implying u cant jsut say fuck it

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and not play it

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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tell fsy u wanna prot war

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xd

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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ppl pretend like its their job

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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🤔

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:40 PM

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na lazel is fotm monster >:)

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good ol' times

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:41 PM

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No no no... WoW is life. Not work.

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:41 PM

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if your friends cant understand that you dont wanna play a certain role, then theyre not good friends

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:41 PM

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focused rage plus IP just makes me think of 7.0 devastate

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:41 PM

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now its TC

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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#2 being autoattack

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or #3

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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4 mil slam crits

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kappa

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Better than golganneth's vitality being 30% of your damage done

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Or autoattack

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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toe knees promise

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50%

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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seems broken atm eh

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Knees is nerfed now tho feelsgood

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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hi macro

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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it is?

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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ye

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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what'd they do to it?

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i dont actually have it, i jsut saw ppl in my groups

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:42 PM

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last night i think

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Crippled it, I assume - see hotfix notes

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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I had a guild try to snipe me and recruit me as dps. I told them there wasn't a chance in hell of that happening.

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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soo, the #1 prot log with it is now unbeatable

grim prism Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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would you say it's been kneecapped?

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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on agg

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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🤦

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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It's prepatch

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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logs on prepatch

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xd

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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xd

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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i dont care, just asking

stray wedge Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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/shrug

empty terrace Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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ez 100 logs xd

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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i guess it is

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but it doesntm atter

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Gold baby

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:43 PM

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my point

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:44 PM

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well agg 100 is ez af

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:44 PM

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If you're not first you're last.

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 1:45 PM

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if you're not last, you're first

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:49 PM

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whatgives me into the fray stacks? isnt it supposed to be # of enemies around?

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:49 PM

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everything

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everything that has a healthbar

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:49 PM

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enemies and friendlies

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:49 PM

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They changed it to enemies and allies.

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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is 15% the max stacks?

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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ye

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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yes

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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so basicallyh

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i ALWAYS will have 15% extra haste?

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cause there are always friendlies around

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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most of the time

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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i wouldn't say always, but probably majority

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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like in m+ or raid

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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fights like argus and agg it's not exactly easy to get cap

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king as well

kind urchin Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Mythic plus is pretty easy to keep 5 stacks most of the time.

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:50 PM

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who is king

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 1:51 PM

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just examples, think there's a few in uldir that are similar

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kin'goroth

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 1:51 PM

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ohhh

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lol

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 1:52 PM

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are there even invasion happening anymore?

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feels like i havent seen em since reset

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nvm google

prime kernel Jul 28, 2018, 2:58 PM

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yo guys, wasn't catching up what's going on for the last 5 days, but i see now in logs, that lots of ppl take devastator again did blizz change smth ? gotta check all the hotfixes from the past week

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 3:05 PM

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i thought devestator was still a definite no but maybe im wrong ive been busy all week

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 3:20 PM

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devastator only works out because of gloves and giga high haste levels

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thats the reason why

prime kernel Jul 28, 2018, 3:26 PM

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ummm what haste values are we talking here about ? more than 35% ?

timid jay Jul 28, 2018, 3:27 PM

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The bigger reasons why devastator isnt really picked is the loss of rage per auto attack and the reduces SS reset chance

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 3:28 PM

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so we still use BV right?

timid jay Jul 28, 2018, 3:29 PM

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yup

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 3:30 PM

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kk just makin sure

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 3:35 PM

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im sitting at 50% haste with itf

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but even with 50% haste its not worth alone to take devastator, its only working out because of the gloves

prime kernel Jul 28, 2018, 3:39 PM

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k just checked my ST dps setup (which is the only 1 i see in logs ppl take devastator for) and i have 51% of haste there with itf at max stacks, guess i wont be taking it for any cleave or aoe/m+ runs

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meh, how much i hate to click devastate again....

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 3:40 PM

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well in aoe you wont

cinder bridge Jul 28, 2018, 3:45 PM

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random question, all the ppl in group finder who are like "4x maw of souls weekly", they expect you to have a maw key right? regular mythic dungeon is once a week?

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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You can only get loot from a mythic dungeon without a key once a week, but you can run them repeatedly for quest completion

cinder bridge Jul 28, 2018, 3:49 PM

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ah

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thanks

amber siren Jul 28, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Yw

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 3:55 PM

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What gems should I be using?

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Wowhead is saying quick lightsphene but I though mastery was better than haste?

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 3:58 PM

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yea

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who told you mastery is betteR?

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it wasn't all of legion and im pretty sure haste is still ahead of it, even with the reduced importance of those

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in bfa

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 4:00 PM

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I just thought mastery would be better for tanking

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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more haste>more rage gen>more cds with AM>more defensive/offensive abilities>

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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ah

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cool

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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also haste helps agaisnt all dmg indirectly

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by having cds up more often

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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yeah

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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while mastery is only vs blockable dmg

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Thanks

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 4:01 PM

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np

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 5:53 PM

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just did eoa 22 without leggos

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to get a feel for it

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was, not that different tbh

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 5:53 PM

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skyhold

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 5:53 PM

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why skyhold

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 5:54 PM

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Doesn't really make sense

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Legion timing/tuning for bfa ideology.

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 5:55 PM

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i mean, m+ will always have similar mechanics

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use cd here, kick there

undone sun Jul 28, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Ikari mentioned it the other day and I 🤦

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 5:56 PM

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i mean all leggos does is reduce CD of demo and give some stats here and there

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 5:57 PM

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ye i dont see the problem

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 5:59 PM

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no real need to "train without legion gear"

signal plover Jul 28, 2018, 6:03 PM

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U gotta b rdy bruh how else u gonna b rdy

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O yeah just play

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 7:02 PM

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the dungeons feel massively different tbh

rocky gust Jul 28, 2018, 7:12 PM

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hey guys

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i just logged in for the first time into the new wow

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is the new prot warrior weaker than before ?

weary notch Jul 28, 2018, 7:17 PM

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all tanks are weaker than before. Prot war is not really weaker than the other tanks at the moment

rocky gust Jul 28, 2018, 7:19 PM

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😢

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i just built my weak auras about 3 weeks ago

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took me a day and half

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D:

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i need help catching up

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i want my warrior to be awesome 😐

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no artifact traits

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no rage generation

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talents changed

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the put booming voice and devastator in the same row D:

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 7:26 PM

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you didnt have beta, @ember arrow ?

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could've just trained there :^)

rocky gust Jul 28, 2018, 7:28 PM

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they nerfed ignore pain so badly

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god damnit

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makes me want to switch off prot warrior this is BS

lusty grotto Jul 28, 2018, 7:35 PM

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OKAY

modern brook Jul 28, 2018, 7:41 PM

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what honor talents are ppl running for prot wpvp?

broken cedar Jul 28, 2018, 7:42 PM

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i dont feel like prot is in a particularly bad place?

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Sword and board, shield bash, and the demo shout one

strong forum Jul 28, 2018, 7:50 PM

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@rocky gust well yea, pins for in depth information

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 7:51 PM

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ignore warrior

lapis gazelle Jul 28, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Is that the replacement for ignore pain in the next expansion?

vocal nimbus Jul 28, 2018, 8:15 PM

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does anyone know if tidyplates work already?

old sail Jul 28, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Hey guys, sure this question comes up all the time but I've literally just resubbed after dropping out at the start of Antorus, how's prot warrior looking for bfa?

dusty warren Jul 28, 2018, 8:19 PM

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according to Sco, inot good for plus and raid.

old sail Jul 28, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Aww, I just want a proper prot warrior expansion. Cheers dude

dusty warren Jul 28, 2018, 8:20 PM

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but it seems that the people here are enjoying it with some exceptions.

vocal nimbus Jul 28, 2018, 8:24 PM

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dmg and surv are decent

silk mortar Jul 28, 2018, 8:25 PM

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Well people dont wanna play what is decent for some recent

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they want the top 0.1%

vocal nimbus Jul 28, 2018, 8:26 PM

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the same answer as always, if you are asking how is X class you wont need to play the top 0.1% class

silk mortar Jul 28, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Yeah but people dont know that

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and dont believe how that is

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:36 PM

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idk why bring sco up at all if someone asks that

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 8:36 PM

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i dont understand those questions anyway. every spec is viable

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even if warrior tanks arent good, you can still get 4k+ .io score

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you can still get cutting edge

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you might not be top 10 in the world

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or world first

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but you can still do the content..

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Personally I think the whole "if you're not top 200 it doesn't matter" response is way too elitist

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People aren't asking what spec they need to play to be able to get cutting edge

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They just want to know which tank is best suitable for the content to get a little edge

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Which is understandable

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:43 PM

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what is elitist about telling people what they like instead of playing what the top players say for the top end?

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Sure some "edges" that tanks have may not exist if you're not a very good player, but still

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:44 PM

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if you dont do content difficult enough, then it doesnt matter

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Because it's very often the knee-jerk response

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:44 PM

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its true though

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u can do arcway +5 without any cc

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u cant do arcway 25

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Like what if someone asks stat weights and you just go "doesn't matter, just get the stat you enjoy"

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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if the content is easy, then it doesnt matter

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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"You can clear the content with ehatever stats"

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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playing the class you like is better than playing the "best" class UNLESS youre looking to be top 200 though

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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"What legendaries are best for Argus?" "Just play whatever you enjoy it's still possible"

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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cause even the "not best" classes are still viable

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:45 PM

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u can clear lfr without gear, talents

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u cant clear mythic that way

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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u can go 100% crit prot warr on a +5

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not on +20

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Yeah but obviously a lot of the people that come asking what class is theoretically the best at the content actually want to know

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And enjoy playing what is "best"

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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what is "best" isnt a fact

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it is decided by poular streamers

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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It's not decided by popular streamers lol

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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"have u seen sco;s bid, i heard war goinna suck in bfa "

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m+ today

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Like I very much preferred tanking Argus on my druid than on my dk. And we killed it top 400

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Sure, could have done it on DK

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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But it made a huge difference

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:47 PM

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nneither of those were good for argus

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why not play brew then

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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That's not the point lol

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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it is, u said ppl wanna know what is the best

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then u come with an example of u playing a tank thats not the best for that situation

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Yes, I didn't say I was one of those

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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same way people play prot warr

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I just said there was a difference between tank classes and how good they were, and it mattered even at this level

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:48 PM

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it doesnt

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how will tank class matter ona +5

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:49 PM

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So when people ask what is best, and you tell them it doesn't matter cause they have to ask

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:49 PM

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or normal

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:49 PM

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That's just denying them information for no reason

crimson quarry Jul 28, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Kinda hard today what's best this expac without knowing full I'm packing if azerite

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:49 PM

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people also still dont seem to understand that taking 100 dmg> reducing 60% is not worse than taking 100>healing back 40

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:50 PM

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the situation is the same

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thats the point

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for raids, self heal is irrelevant, it all came for m+

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and there, all tanks need healer focus now

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:52 PM

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its not babysitting if u have alot of dr

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:52 PM

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:52 PM

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no

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:52 PM

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if u dont take dmg as bdk

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u dont heal shit

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so if u use oine DS

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thats it

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Self heal is very far from irrelevant in raids lol

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cmonBruh

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:53 PM

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7%

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such heal

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saying healers must babysit you without self heal, implies that tanks without self heal take tons of dmg

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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before prepatch warr was self healing

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like a mofo

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but now no tansk do

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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no

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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if you think you can fully self-sustain as dk

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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u need a healer

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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i have some bad news for you

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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u cant

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ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:56 PM

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u heal back 50% of dmg on average

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so u need to be healed

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reducing dmg u take by 50% then being healed

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same result

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 8:57 PM

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cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 8:57 PM

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lemme give you an example

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CJ8NxmcF2Apwbgk1#fight=16&type=damage-taken&options=130

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the dk external healing required wasn't much lower than the monk

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 8:59 PM

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dk metigated slightly more

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but stagger makes monks ez to heal

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so its even

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 8:59 PM

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(tbh the dk here is a good player and the monk is some random pug)

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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stagger takes care of it

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xd

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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DK took a lot more unmitigated damage though there

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As in raw damage, before mitigation

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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because dk has no metigation

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proactive

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Meaning he probably was tanking more than monk, and still required less heals

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No

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Raw damage

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 9:00 PM

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yeah checking the log better the monk was indeed bad, ironskin brew wasn't 100% while alive

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anyway

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the point still stands

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a dk needs external healing in bfa

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unless it's trivial content

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and it's not a lot less than others

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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in legion u needed no healing until like 22

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23?

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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it's maybe a little less

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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or mythic

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now hell no

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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A lot more damage was thrown at the DK over the course of the fight than at the monk

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And still required less heals

cosmic cargo Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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even on mythic you didn't on some bosses tbh

south yarrow Jul 28, 2018, 9:01 PM

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You'd have to normalize that

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To get any meaningful results

junior ivy Jul 28, 2018, 9:51 PM

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is sindragosa bugged

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:09 PM

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figured id pop in and ask... is ignore pain still shit in BFA?

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:11 PM

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the shield is as tiny as my hopes and dreams

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but it gets miles better with gear

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:13 PM

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oh nice so its dogshit until you outgear the content anyway

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:13 PM

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no

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if u get gear

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the shield gets much more useful

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but it has not same function as in legion regardless

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so it wont be a 70% of ur hp shield at any point

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i didnt say it gets better if u outgear it

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:15 PM

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i wish they had found a replacement for it before bfa launch, blizz definately hates it and i dont mind it, but tuning wise its either broken op or fairly shit it seems

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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it was neither after NH

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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i imagine in 8.1 they will have a solution

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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it was shit at all times, 1.9 mil be4 squish

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but u could spam it

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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that first week or 2 on EN tho 😛 we were virtually unkillable

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:16 PM

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THAT was the problem

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i had 9.5mil hp, IP was 1.9 mil, so thats around 20% now i got 46k hp, IP is 9.6k, thats also around 20%

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it just cant be spammed anymore, and it is on gcd, that is why it feels bad

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i dont think its actually weaker relatively

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

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the gcd is why it is now garbage effectively

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

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if u need it for defensive purposes, u use it for that

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SW,LS,and SBare off gcd

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:18 PM

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they just need to power it up to compensate

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:19 PM

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now u must make a choice between IP and doing dmg

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im not a fan od it, but its in line with their design choices for bfa

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:19 PM

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not to a crazy level, but if they leave IP the way it is they need to make it a bit stronger for it to feel more worth spending

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imo

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 10:21 PM

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i think it would be better to let it cost more

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but be off gcd

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that way u cant spam it, but it wont be stacked million times like legion

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that way it would serve similar purpose to dk's death strike, but instead of healing for % dmg taken, you would get a 25% hp shield

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so it would metigate some dmg, but oyu would stil require a healer

frank mantle Jul 28, 2018, 10:25 PM

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yeah that'd be fine, my point is mainly if its gonna now be on the gcd, it damn well better be powerful enough to make it worthwhile. if your saying % wise its about the same power level as it was for most of legion, going from not on the gcd to be being on the gcd makes it feel shit

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 10:47 PM

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IP feels fine in ST situations to me but it’s really difficult to use it in trash AoE because I need the rage for DPS to keep threat

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

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how? revenge is fast nasty garbage

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

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u revenge for aggro, then IP if needed

astral crystal Jul 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

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all you need is UF/avatar/tclap

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i just revenged when it was free on beta

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didnt have issues

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 11:14 PM

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ye same

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aggro si last of warr problems

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i had never ever aggro loss

lime elk Jul 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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Does prot really feel like garbage, or does it just feel different?

vocal nimbus Jul 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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different

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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IP on gcd feels not so good, but otherwise different

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but IP isnt spammed like be4

lime elk Jul 28, 2018, 11:21 PM

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yeah, the one dungeon i ran it was weird having IP on the GCD, but it was just a regular dungeon so I didn't even need to press it

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is it more like a in the moment priority system that you follow vs just mashing IP when you have the excess rage?

sick sentinel Jul 28, 2018, 11:38 PM

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I wonder if my gear is a problem. I’m 225, which I assumed would be fine in most key situations. But if I don’t have Avatar up for a trash pull, DPS usually rip as I tab target through the pack

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I’m also in the process of swapping to warrior as my tank main, so I will freely admit some user error is involved

ember arrow Jul 28, 2018, 11:43 PM

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excess rage i dump into revenge

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IP if im taking spike dmg or when ill need it basically

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:03 AM

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prob just gotta get used to it Tobit

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havent had any issues so far

sterile socket Jul 29, 2018, 1:20 AM

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hey guys i got a question about the hidden artifact is it possible to still get it now?

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for a fresh account

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toon*

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 AM

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@strong forum I just ran two 15’s and didn’t press revenge like a mongo.

Zero issues.

Sigh. I’m a bad. 😂

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 AM

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skyhold

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if u dont press the damage button, you dont gain threat

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thats solved then

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 1:35 AM

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The discussion was also involving my though that IP was hard to use in trash pulls

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So, I mainly just need to keep practicing and get a feel for when I can rage dump. I’m having a blast, just gotta perfect it

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:36 AM

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use IP when u need to, otherise revenge to dump rage

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unless in avatar u can alternate TC>anything else> TC

primal crypt Jul 29, 2018, 1:51 AM

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why are all the logs showing Devastate over BV??

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wat

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:56 AM

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i beleive deva does more dps

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but BV is better for surv

primal crypt Jul 29, 2018, 1:56 AM

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ugh

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I hate pressing deva

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lol

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I've been trying so hard to live with it, can't find a good keybind for it

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:57 AM

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its not really pressed often

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i use revenge as filler in aoe

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in ST once in a blue moon its used

primal crypt Jul 29, 2018, 1:57 AM

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yeah

buoyant inlet Jul 29, 2018, 2:14 AM

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i thought BV had the edge over devastator. I'm surviving fine right now , and would LOVE to get devastate off my rotation as i learn the changes to the spec. is devastator a DPS +?

amber siren Jul 29, 2018, 2:16 AM

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It's a single target dps increase with no survivability attached to it. I don't know the math about how much the gloves and haste levels affect it so that might not be true at 120.

north dove Jul 29, 2018, 3:34 AM

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Legendaries lose effect at 116 i think

lofty acorn Jul 29, 2018, 3:50 AM

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so thats the reason why ppl suggest to do the "hard" zones first ?

amber siren Jul 29, 2018, 4:18 AM

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Yep

wanton sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 4:33 AM

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The Ally zones all felt pretty much the same to me.

signal plover Jul 29, 2018, 4:48 AM

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I'm the biggest downside to devastator is that there's no rage gain associated with it. It still does great dps with gloves but that's about it.

spark hamlet Jul 29, 2018, 5:59 AM

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Just getting back from small vacation anything major i need to know about prot played some after the 8.0 patched dropped

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 7:12 AM

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spark hamlet Jul 29, 2018, 7:34 AM

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I would say dont break you 4pc but im not the best judge on that one

waxen talon Jul 29, 2018, 7:36 AM

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Devastator does have survivability attached, can still proc shield slam which is techically a gain

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vivid orchid Jul 29, 2018, 7:38 AM

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you can item restore them

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 7:39 AM

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waxen talon Jul 29, 2018, 7:41 AM

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it did since launch of wow, in the past u just had to contact GMs.

merry cave Jul 29, 2018, 7:41 AM

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4pce is still ridiculous unless your gaining a lot of ilvl dont drop it

waxen talon Jul 29, 2018, 7:43 AM

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4pce is 0 dps tho 😉

merry cave Jul 29, 2018, 7:44 AM

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I mean in M+ it is 🤷🏻

spark hamlet Jul 29, 2018, 7:54 AM

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I still hate that eye boss at the end of upper Kara not use to that eye beam eating through my IP 😦

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 8:00 AM

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spark hamlet Jul 29, 2018, 8:02 AM

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what lego's are you using?

sick sentinel Jul 29, 2018, 8:03 AM

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spark hamlet Jul 29, 2018, 8:20 AM

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sephuz can help you get a bit more haste and now that shockwave is baseline its not a bad choice at times

vocal nimbus Jul 29, 2018, 8:28 AM

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i use sephuz/belt in m+

torn rover Jul 29, 2018, 9:45 AM

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So if im ilvl 200 and up whats a good raid build for prot?

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Im 212 in prot rn

fossil spindle Jul 29, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Hey dudes. Is it me or prot is a clsuterfuck? Even as 249 it feels clunky, slow

torn rover Jul 29, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Yea idk

fossil spindle Jul 29, 2018, 9:49 AM

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The playtyle seems.. bad. Cant really enjoy it at this point. In DPS section prot is amazing but in defensive I feel like tanking a +20 is a death sentance now.

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Rage gain is slow as a snail.

torn rover Jul 29, 2018, 9:52 AM

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Yea not really enjoying it

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Try arms if you want something fun

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Its really fun now

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 9:54 AM

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I have tanked 20+ the only problem is the Gcd that makes the spec not fun

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Most of the time I precast avatar and start a pack

silk mortar Jul 29, 2018, 10:18 AM

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Rage gain isnt slow in dungeons tbh, got plenty of it. Also been able to tank +25s no problemo

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:20 AM

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^^

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into the fray is so freaking good

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:30 AM

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why would tanking a +20 be a death sentence 🤔

cinder bridge Jul 29, 2018, 10:31 AM

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DOOMSDAY

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delete all your warriors

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:41 AM

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fk it reroll

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go dk we going braindead boys

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:43 AM

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skyhold

fossil spindle Jul 29, 2018, 10:45 AM

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@ember arrow because I feel its super slow and I need to relay on my healer alot which in a pug group is pretty shit if we're honest about it.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:45 AM

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all tanks need to rely on healers now

fossil spindle Jul 29, 2018, 10:47 AM

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not as much as warriors, i did multiple 18s as rshaman and dks and dhs still dont need that much compared to a warrior

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:47 AM

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ye but at 18s u dont take dmg

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as a tank

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neither my warrior, pala, or dk does

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warrior requires planning of cds vs abilities, if the ones u healed didnt od that

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then its rip

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:55 AM

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well warriors dont have any healing so if you dont have ignore pain up you will take alot of dmg

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:55 AM

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not necessarily

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again this obsession over self healing

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:56 AM

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well its good

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to have some form of healing

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prot is more like blocking then absorbing

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:57 AM

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healing back 25% of dmg = metigating 25% of dmg

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:58 AM

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having a tank that can hold his own is good

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:58 AM

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no tank can full self sustain

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:58 AM

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dk can

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:58 AM

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no

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u still live in legion mate

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 10:59 AM

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so dk doesnt have healing now?

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 10:59 AM

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not enough to self sustain fully

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they need a healer

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or they jsut die

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

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dont know about that

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

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i did every dungeon 21-23 on dk

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u really need healer

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try it

molten rivet Jul 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

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As a warrior, I selfsustained my way through molten core the other day! o/

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:01 AM

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u actually did dk on keys bugatsa?

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or u just assuming

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:01 AM

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my friends play dk

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and it is still stronger than other tanks

hot locust Jul 29, 2018, 11:01 AM

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< have played DK, still need healing.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:01 AM

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if u doa +5 u dont sure 😛

hot locust Jul 29, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Legendaries are a big reason why DK is strong right now comparatively.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:02 AM

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artifact

hot locust Jul 29, 2018, 11:02 AM

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Shoulders are kinda crazy.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:02 AM

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losing traits

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is super rip for dk

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also boneshield not being absorb anymore

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alot of YIKES

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also comparing tanks tuned for level 120 bfa in legion dungeons is kinda futile anyway

hot locust Jul 29, 2018, 11:03 AM

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Yup, they feel really similar at 120.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:03 AM

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i didnt play beta, but i read the dungeon journals, and info, seems alot of bosses have some form of "i will now do moire dmg with autos" or "u take more dmg from autos"

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which seems good on warrior

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:04 AM

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yes but that isnt the point of bringing a warrior in a m+

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prot warrior doesnt have that insane group management as dk or dh has (massgrip)

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:06 AM

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GG has smaller range now

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ST grip is on gcd

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:06 AM

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its still good

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:08 AM

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idk what to tell you man, if u dont wanna play warr then dont

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prot in bfa has significantly more utility aswell as one of the few remaining aoe stuns, metigates alot of dmg

cinder bridge Jul 29, 2018, 11:11 AM

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also cds all day

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besides I could never play a 0 mobility tank

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but that's personal preference

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:12 AM

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never said that all i said is that warrior has no self healing and even if that is not as strong as it used to be its still a nice thing to have

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:13 AM

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saying everything else is better in every way implies strongly that you do

sweet kettle Jul 29, 2018, 11:13 AM

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well they are better

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doesnt matter if they are 10% better or 1%

cinder bridge Jul 29, 2018, 11:15 AM

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just go brm

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they have to get nerfed in some way right? right? 😟

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 11:16 AM

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probably

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dh got gutted in soem ways

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now brm turn

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unless one of bliz designer's gfs is playing brm ofcourse wadner

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 11:30 AM

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I don't know where people get this idea that prot has no self healing. I get VR procs all the time. Even if I don't get procs I don't require much attention from the healer because I barely take any damage. Maybe you just need to learn how to play it instead of saying it's bad.

cinder pasture Jul 29, 2018, 11:37 AM

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I would rather mitigate the damage in the first place than to take damage -> use an ability to heal myself back up.

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 12:02 PM

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that depends on the tank

hollow pine Jul 29, 2018, 12:26 PM

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I like a smooth damage intake, getting too old for this spiky shit giving me a heartattack at times

waxen talon Jul 29, 2018, 12:29 PM

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smooth is op in legion tho

hollow pine Jul 29, 2018, 12:30 PM

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^^

cinder bridge Jul 29, 2018, 12:31 PM

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all hail monks

stray wedge Jul 29, 2018, 12:39 PM

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You can't reliabily get VR procs in raids. I don't think it's a problem that prot has low self healing, though.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:40 PM

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prob mostly talking bout m+

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 12:43 PM

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Yeah. Thats for M+. It doesn't really matter for raids because you should have healers on you anyways.

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:52 PM

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in raids and even in m+ its all based now for bfa, not for legion thats key to remember. The whole concept of tank and healing partnership is being rewrote to work on that idea. Tanks lower damage but are meant to be healed with more decent intensity

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:53 PM

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nobody was talking about legion though skyhold

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:53 PM

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its why selfhealing, absorbs, all that stuff across the board was changed, its also why the tanks now are way more about increasing their armor and more steady damage intake, cause they want to up the standard mob melee against tanks, and even out a bit the monster uber magic destroyers that bosses were throwin out

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right but self healing and lack of it was and i'm trying to just restate its by design so considering it as big a deal as it has been in the past needs to go also

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 12:57 PM

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I like the move they've done. Tanks actually require external healing on a more regular basis. Instead of being able to do a M+ invitational without a healer. That was absurd.

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:57 PM

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no i agree, it is a good thing is just something people need to get used to

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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thats the entirety of it

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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its actually going to make our jobs less boring

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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people refusing to accept change

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well i think tank is literally the most engaging

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followed by healer followed by dps

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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In BFA of general?

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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in general

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:58 PM

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let me rephrase that, it will make it more "engaging per second"

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Because until now tank has easily been the least engaging and easiest role

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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more consistency of engagement

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Depending on the encounter of course.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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i think dps is far easier

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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well at least in raiding the big problem is offtank, making that engaging

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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and least engaging unless you play shadow or affli

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Not if you wanna do well

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 12:59 PM

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well thats a given

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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the problem with dps is not enough stuff is happening to them to interrupt the "press 1 press 2 press 3" pattern they get into

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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im defo not going back to warri dps

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its so boring compared to tanking

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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the problem is to fix that you have to make more stuff "happen" to them and you have to have casuals be able to live through that

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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It's much much harder to be an above average dps than above average tank

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But their viewpoint on tanking does help that

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Actually have to pay attention again

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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well thats just because not a lot of people play tank

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:00 PM

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It's not though

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:01 PM

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well yeah cause the difference between their brains is less when their is a more constant rotation of things happening

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:01 PM

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and bad ones at that

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bad tanks made me play tank

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cuz i can do what they do better 🤷

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:01 PM

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It's because the mechanics in the game don't require above average skill

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They have spent years gutting the tank role

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:01 PM

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True story.

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:01 PM

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basically you need to have each roles have sort of a base "rotation" of things they do but only do that 60ish percent of the time and do something else in the other time

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for dps it has been becoming more and more 90% dps 10% other shit going on

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Trying to make it so a below average player can be passable and not hold his group back

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:03 PM

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well in that the dps are the same

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:03 PM

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They have pruned them sure

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:03 PM

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you can tank stuff in legion with 200k dps

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or be a good tank and deal 800k+ dps with same gear

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Argus was actually a pretty good fight to separate good tanks from bad tanks. Having to cycle mitigation at the right time and the right ability to not screw yourself.

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:04 PM

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But if you wanted to be a 75% do or a 75% tank, the tank has it much easier because there's less to do

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Maiden had that too

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That doesn't raise a skill cap

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:04 PM

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true but i still think we should mitigate first dps second with a much larger ratio, meaning making the survivability aspect more constant with less downtime so you can't go nuts with that

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:04 PM

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I don't mean parses

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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it was becoming not dangerous enough tanking per 5second periods of game time with how it was going imo

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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And having CD checks like Maiden and Argus don't really judge tank skill

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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the danger needs to be resonable but more constant, then insane but infrequent

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Make it dangerous again and I'm happy.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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well nexii

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Every discord and website has lists of what to use when

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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you have to once keep in mind, im talking about m+

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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Tanking in m+ is easier though

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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well also it makes dbm basically tell you what to do, not enough suprise across the board

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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since raiding in general is ResidentSleeper

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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Tanks get to a point they just kits the whole dungeon

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While dps and healer still deal with mechanics

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:06 PM

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only at +23 and higher

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Well you can't judge the toughness of roles at low levels

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:07 PM

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Hopefully the threat change makes us actually have to tank instead of kite all the time.

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Prepare to be disappointed

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:08 PM

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i'd just rather it be 50% dangerous to a tank 50% of the time, rather than 90% dangerous 10% of the time

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Kiting is still very much a real thing

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:08 PM

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thing is though, at 23 or higher everybody is expected to know what they're doing

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:08 PM

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Right, but that doesn't change how hard it is

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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honestly the problem with the threat design change is its blizzard, if it becomes something you'r supposed to deal with the forums will get it changed very quickly even though it shouldn't be

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Everyone can know 💯 what they are doing and things still be easier or harder for an individual

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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mob rule is the killer of design changes

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fuck the mob

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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yea

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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I second that.

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:09 PM

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I mean im ok with tanks being the easiest role since we are also meant to have more raid awareness

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Awareness

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thats the keyword

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:10 PM

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but honestly to get these things to stick we need about another 3million people to stop playing the game lol

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:10 PM

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I do expect them to walk back the threat a little

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People will definitely QQ

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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as dps you can just spray in and do moderatly something, as tank if you blindly do shit you just get fucked

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thats the point im getting at, not top level play

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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its also ALWAYS your fault 😃

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always

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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You mean it's always the healers

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Not the tanks

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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always the ninja pull

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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no thats what we say in response 😃

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Always blame the dps

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:12 PM

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no that's just the unwritten true record 😃

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:12 PM

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The rule has always been blame healers

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:13 PM

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honestly 90% of my group killers are always ranged dps, sorry to them but its the truth

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:13 PM

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Unless the dumb warlock bodypulls everything in CoS. Stupid warlock.

forest fern Jul 29, 2018, 1:13 PM

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that always seem to unleash some borderline insane stupidity

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at least if melee do it i can slap their hand and fix it cause they are standing right beside me

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:30 PM

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How does the Deafening Crash azerite trait stack?

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does it increase the extended duration of stuff? or just the damage on Tclap?

fossil spindle Jul 29, 2018, 1:31 PM

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Someone said Argus seperated bad tanks from good tanks 😄 😄 😄

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If you got that far, you probably have an idea how to tank. And warriors had it extra easy there, lets be real.

undone sun Jul 29, 2018, 1:33 PM

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only the damage stacks afaik @crystal night

main vault Jul 29, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Idk at this point even casual guilds with average tanks have killed him

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:33 PM

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@undone sun aww damn 😦

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ty sir

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is that still going to be one of our best traits for fortified weeks?

undone sun Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 PM

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likely

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 PM

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1x deafening is mandatory imo

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 PM

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is 3/3 deafening a good idea for fort weeks?

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:34 PM

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na, rather take 2x iron fortress rather

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the damage alone i dont think is worth saccing the block value of fortress

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Oh I havent looked up that one ty for sharing that info Nomeratur im gonna look that trait up and where I can get it from in dungeons

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so your thinking 1 deafening and 2 iron fortress?

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:37 PM

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ye for general purpose

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2 weeks boys, literally cant wait

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so fucking pumped

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:39 PM

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Yes dude me too!

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:39 PM

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I've got the itch too Nomeratur.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:39 PM

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have had the itch since beta D: its so stressful

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:40 PM

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So I saw on the iron fortress triat that is " Increased our block by 250" when i hoover over the stat on my character pannel it says "reduced damage of an attack" so dopes that mean block is a flat damage reduction from physical attacks?

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:40 PM

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I've been ready since the cluster that was the opening of the presales.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:40 PM

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yes, when blocking

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Where do I see my likleyhood to actually block at attack?

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:41 PM

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mastery

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or rather

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mastery increases your blockchance

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but you should see a block stat in your character panel

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Yeah I see that

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:41 PM

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the % oft that displays your block chance

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without hovering over it

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:42 PM

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OH

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26% block chance

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:42 PM

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and Shield Block and Bolster give you 100% block chance

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:42 PM

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is that just a manifestation of my mastery then

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Yeah

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whatever % is showing there is just how much my mastery is giving me?

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:42 PM

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no thats your overall

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50% of mastery is increasing your block chance

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ish

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:44 PM

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20% mastery is 20% chance to critblock a melee/blockable spell

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it also gives blockchance outside of SB

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but when u need AM for something, its ofc more reliable to sue SB

crystal night Jul 29, 2018, 1:44 PM

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Yeah SB does 100% from what i see

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so does that mean that we can combine our critical block chance and our regular block chance to figure out how much we will be blocking without AM up?

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maybe thats incorrect

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im bad at statistics 😛 haha

somber dragon Jul 29, 2018, 1:46 PM

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i think it's a separate roll

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crit block roll happens after the block roll

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:46 PM

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i have 37% mastery, and 29% block chance, 37% of the 29% is a crit block

kind urchin Jul 29, 2018, 1:46 PM

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No. The chance to critically block gets calculated after the chance to block gets rolled.

strong forum Jul 29, 2018, 1:46 PM

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outside of SB

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so within of SB i have a 37% chance to crit block

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outside of SB its like 7% overall to critblock

ember arrow Jul 29, 2018, 1:47 PM

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critblock is same chance as mastery %

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regardless if SB is up

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u must roll block first