protection

[astral crystal]

the raid is irrelevant now

[uneven mason]

Like I died on Shadow dog because I stepped out of healing range to dodge a fire puddle

[astral crystal]

only matters for leveling gear and mounts

[uneven mason]

but overall the DOTs seem totally manageable like they were before

[junior igloo]

Then don't do it, @astral crystal

[astral crystal]

chill homie, im just expressing my opinion

i do it because my guild wants to

[uneven mason]

It matters for learning your specs, YOU THINK ULDIR WILL BE EASY?

I've been tanking sans legos

to get used to it

[astral crystal]

damn

that's spooky

[uneven mason]

course its not like the prot legos are a huge survivability boost unless you're popping archimondes

but yeah I Went stat sticks and sans legos lastnight

[astral crystal]

yeah wrists took a huge hit

[uneven mason]

Wrists have always been somewhat of a gimmic for raiding

95% overhealing from them most fights

cause we were either full HP because of IP

or dead

Now they have a minor impact

better than nothing when we're outside of healers range

[junior igloo]

I'm really not quite sure why there is a perception of the raid being hard now or something.
Pretty sure we killed the bosses we did faster than before the patch.
There were a couple of abilities that weren't squished properly and have been hotfixed by now.

The only real increase of difficulty is in healing throughput which is intentionally lower across the board. Bring an extra healer and you should be fine.

[astral crystal]

very minor, was healing for ~2k when i cast IP

[uneven mason]

Yeah Meiffert

Tank survivability and healer throughput is lower

[astral crystal]

well meiffert im not talking about bosses being harder

just dogs being ridiculously overtuned

and it's a fact that aggramar had pretty broken damage too

[uneven mason]

like I said I'm intentionally going sans legendaries and no flashy trinkets because I'm just getting used to the pace

[astral crystal]

ok, not dogs, the dog debuff

[undone sun]

🤦

[uneven mason]

Dogs have always done more damage than other bosses tho

like, they had double the DTPS as Aggramar and Argus

I Mean the dogs were killable prior to the fixes

[astral crystal]

there's just no need to get touchy about it fam, bring an extra healer is a fine solution for most situations, bring a bunch of extra tanks is not really where a fight should be

i m o

[uneven mason]

without 3 or 4 tanking them

but that made it easier

So that is what most did

What the major issue on dogs was, that singe was one shotting the DPS and healers it grabbed

so you lose a healer or 2 to that

suddenly the fight is worlds harder

and thats when the tanks would die

[dusk locust]

i feel like i'm having more trouble holding threat than old skittish.. you guys doing anything beyond thunderclaps during avatar, maybe alternating TC/revenge without avatar, tab targeting for each shield slam?

i'm competing pretty well for overall dungeon damage. might be a timing thing

[signal plover]

Are u beating the DPS to the mob packs?

[dusk locust]

we get there at the same time i suppose

[signal plover]

Try to get there a few GCDs before em

It'll help

TC and tab SS should be enough after that

[dusk locust]

hm part of the issue then might be that i'm letting my healer catch up on grievous

so dps has a chance to sprint ahead

[signal plover]

Also nameplates that show when you're losing threat, not just when you've lost threat

[dusk locust]

that i do have (elvui nameplates)

[signal plover]

That's a communication issue

Dps are mongoloids

[dusk locust]

heh can confirm

[signal plover]

I mean I turn into a mongo when I fury too

Can't blame em

[dusk locust]

i hadn't had this trouble before, so i thought it was something i was doing wrong

[signal plover]

You could probably do better but threat is nerfed to the BFA multiplier now so it is actually possible for DPS to rip

Especially on pull if they're there ahead of you

[dusk locust]

IP on the gcd makes it harder too. that's one gcd i'm not using to hold threat with dps

just learning to work with the new kit

[wanton sentinel]

+900% -> +350% threat & some extra GCDs on mitigation (all tanks, to be clear) definitely stacks up. Mostly a problem with PUGs.

[grim prism]

Yeah, you need to have threat before the DPS goes im

If they are hitting a pack before you on skittish, then you are pretty much hosed for that pull

[signal plover]

U can recover with Avatar TC

But

If that's on cd GG

Also pocket rogues

(for skittish)

[cosmic cargo]

that's why you avatar before you go in

[dusk locust]

so it's not all that outrageous to ask them to wait a couple gcds before rushing in?

[signal plover]

They won't

If it's a pug

[grim prism]

Lol

[signal plover]

You have to play around it

[cosmic cargo]

i haven't tried warr but on pala, dh and monk i didn't really have issues

[dusk locust]

pugs yeah dps is often hitting first, especially if i'm waiting for the healer because it's grievous

[grim prism]

If they are pugs and it's their key, just let them die tbh

[signal plover]

It's not too bad on warr tbh

We do sick aoe dmg

[dusk locust]

it isn't as bad as i'm making it out. i just lose aggro here and there and feel like i could do better

[signal plover]

Just sounds like they're getting big dmg ahead of yours

[cosmic cargo]

yeah the damage i saw myself do in raid with warr was higher than the pala

but pala has more frontloaded damage though

SoTR aoe off the gcd

is so good

[junior igloo]

Eh, it's not like you suffer any consequences if someone else overaggros

[cosmic cargo]

the pack lasts longer cause he's dead on the floor?

[junior igloo]

SotR has 33 % multiplier though

release and run back? threat reset to 0 😛

[cosmic cargo]

multiplier for what?

[junior igloo]

damage

[cosmic cargo]

compared to legion you mean?

[junior igloo]

No, it does 33 % of your attack/spell power of damage.

TC and revenge hit harder

[cosmic cargo]

oh like that

[junior igloo]

Although I guess with armor it's close

[cosmic cargo]

i think the main issue with warr is that IP is more pro-active than reactive

compared to LoTP

so it's a "wasted" GCD early into the pull

[cold wren]

IP is just a weak way to smooth damage

if your healer is struggling

[kind prairie]

4pc seems really strong right now.

It doubles your IP

[cold wren]

if you got plenty of aggro

its worth it

yeah

but doesnt exist at 120 does it

so no matter

[kind prairie]

True... Might as well have fun with it now?

[cold wren]

ofc

but

if you have too much fun

it'll hurt your soul more

when you hit 120

and you get shafted up the bum

[uneven mason]

Tank heroic no set bonuses legos or fancy trinkets

get used to that balsawood thong now

our selection of tanking trinkets thus far looks uh

well

[main vault]

Shitty

Fucking shitty

[uneven mason]

stat sticks STAT STICKS FOR EVERYONE

[main vault]

Stat sticks with stat procs

Only ones worth anything

Oh, or stat on use, sorry

DMD:B is garbage too

[signal plover]

Dark Moon Deck: Boobs

[somber dragon]

we ❤ boobs

[uneven mason]

yeah

def not boobs

[somber dragon]

i mean, most 1st tier trinkets are garbo

EN was stat sticks for dayz

[signal plover]

And dmd

[uneven mason]

yeah we at least

had the DMD

[main vault]

Sure

[signal plover]

Dmd and the tw trink

[uneven mason]

the str haste one?

[main vault]

But dungeons had ones to makeup for it

[signal plover]

The armor on use one

[main vault]

No the str armor

OP as fuck

[uneven mason]

o rite

[main vault]

And yeah EN trinkets were bad

But we had dung ones

Now those are trash too

And there wrote trinkets like Statuette and the vers proc one

Goblet

[somber dragon]

i mean, hopefully they just aren't putting the bells and whistles out in this tier

feels wierd calling it a tier without tier gear....

[uneven mason]

tier is just another way of saying level

[signal plover]

Uldir is like EN tho

It's kinda sorta a tier

[uneven mason]

its "pre-tier"

[junior igloo]

Why is DMD bad?

[signal plover]

Pre teen

[uneven mason]

The new DMD?

So yeah we're following the MoP patch system

[junior igloo]

yeah, strength + stamina; boring, sure, but bad?

[uneven mason]

wasn't its budget like complete garbo

[signal plover]

To ikar boring = bad

Cuz he's spicy

[uneven mason]

Nah, its more or less last I looked at it

[junior igloo]

maybe, I don't know

I know that all the crated items are pathetic item level, I thought they might be upgradable

[uneven mason]

It was generally on the low end of being useful. although with the str buffs to Vanguard

it might have merit now

[main vault]

Last I saw it the amount of Stam is gave was uninspiring

And it's uh

300?

[junior igloo]

yeah, it's 300, maybe there is some obliterum system

[uneven mason]

but its no immortality

[junior igloo]

because the other crafted items are also 300

[main vault]

Has to be

And the basis, Stam proc

You can't count on anything but an average

[signal plover]

I haven't seen anything about an upgrade system yet

[uneven mason]

actually its below average

[signal plover]

The salvage stuff doesn't work the same

[main vault]

If you want to survive you can only count the value on the minimum

I still think I'ma wear the engi helm for early prog

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[astral crystal]

crafted items can forge too i think

let me check my dude on beta, im sure i had a forged piece

nvm i scrapped my old stuff, rip

[somber dragon]

tit's mcgeee! 230 shield from a darksore

[ornate sky]

eu?

[astral crystal]

oh shit a shield

les go

[somber dragon]

NA

[ornate sky]

sadface... they rotate every 8h or 24?

[somber dragon]

had two of them up today

24

it's day 3 for us

[astral crystal]

looks like every 24 hours

[somber dragon]

had a 2h and a 1h day 1

maybe ya'll follow the same pattern?

[astral crystal]

i dont see a shield FeelsBadMan

oh nevermind there it is

sick

[somber dragon]

one is way up at the top for me today

like almost outta darkshore off the map up there

[somber dragon]

maybe i'm thinking too far ahead, but for a ticking magic beam (krosus-esq) that we'd have to eat as a tank, pooling up rage and keeping IP up would basically be a 50% DR if we could keep the IP up for the duration of the channel?

[stark sage]

odds are the damage would eat through the shield faster than you could build rage for it

but i also dont think there will be heavy sustained magic damage in the future

[somber dragon]

i agree, i just do "what-ifs" a lot 😄

[stark sage]

unless its a mechanic designed in such a way that it is on the burden of the healers or something instead of AM

[uneven mason]

RFDT returns - for magic damage only

I'd take it

[somber dragon]

future azerite trait 🤔

[earnest sand]

Why two shields in WQ rewards Blizz

2x 1H sure I can see that

2x shields? 🤔

[grim prism]

full tank build

gotta doublefist em

twice the slams

[earnest sand]

Nice. Take Devastate off your bars again.

[astral crystal]

two shield build WHEN

[signal plover]

Plz blizz we need

If blizz is planning to make snakemans and foxmans playable they can give prot warrs 2 fuckin shields.

[coral dew]

So are there azerite traits that aren't listed yet in the database?

Lioe higher tier ones dependent on higher ilvl gear or somethibg?

Or are the ones available to look at all of them

[main vault]

That's it

That's all you excitement you get

[coral dew]

Well I'm not saying it's not exciting, I actually think it adds a ridiculous amount of build potential

Given that a lot of shit stacks too

[weary notch]

I think I'm going to skip the azerite armor

[coral dew]

lolwut

[astral crystal]

i remember when blizz devs talked about azerite armor being this huge gameplay changing system

beware ion's lies

[strong forum]

gameplay changing LUL

[weary notch]

yeah, not thrilled with the azerite stuff. Going to pass

[astral crystal]

lol

[weary notch]

"There is a lot of depth with Azerite traits." - Ion, literally a week ago

[strong forum]

theres interesting stuff

nice passives

passives

passives aint game changing

[stark sage]

i mean depth is mostly just a buzzword

[strong forum]

yea, as in "theres a lot of traits"

but thats pretty much it

so far

[stark sage]

i think azerite has potential to be really cool, but atm the bonuses are a bit lackluster or not impactful enough aside from a few good ones

[strong forum]

nothing class changing, nothing meta changing like 1button DH helmet

maybe that stuff has yet to come, who knows

same as trinkets

[stark sage]

for instance, crushing assault for arms. the free slam proc trait is an amazing design

but a lot of the other ones are very plain

[weary notch]

yeah, it's okay, I guess, but I think I'll just raid without the neck. How bad could it possibly be?

[stark sage]

🤔

[strong forum]

OpieOP

yea same as legion, i just skipped artifact and leggos

[weary notch]

same

didn't use Shield Block, either

[strong forum]

invasion weapons op

[dusk locust]

i ignored ignore pain

[weary notch]

lol, "I blocked Shield Block"

[strong forum]

hah

[dusk locust]

i put a wall between myself and shield wall

[weary notch]

I made a last stand against Last Stand

Demoralizing Shout made me so sad I couldn't use it

I did a chargeback against charge

[dusk locust]

i leapt away from heroic leap

[weary notch]

on my druid I swiped left on Swipe

[somber dragon]

totally unrelated, but WPL is a great zone if you have fast riding 😄

[stark sage]

@weary notch get out with those

[signal plover]

Guys...I saw the cutest pic of a dog ever and I can't function.

[weary notch]

LOL

[signal plover]

I won't meme it here but I rly hope more of u stumble upon it holy hell I'm melted.

[weary notch]

put it in #off-topic

[signal plover]

Oh oops I had those minimized and thought they got deleted

INC

[compact mirage]

hmm...I just got a lvl 210 shield from the world quest. I put on a hammer that has a max damage per hit of 1 (smithing hammer). the damage difference compared to the artifact is not even 30% on shield slam and the artifact has 80 avg damage per hit.

is weapon damage obsolete?

[somber dragon]

outside of mele i think so?

but mele is a larger part of damage from what i'm seeing in arms/fury

[compact mirage]

which prot warrior abilities factor in weapon damage atm?

or do they all scale with AP now?

[weary notch]

I think everything scales with AP now

[junior igloo]

everything scales with weapon damage

but it's additive with strength

[stark sage]

^

basically dont worry about it

[junior igloo]

(strength + weapon dps * k) * mastery * versatility * ability coefficient

[weary notch]

so in other words "stick your highest ilvl weapon in your grubby little hands and hit things with it"

[stark sage]

pretty much

[compact mirage]

ty

[burnt hazel]

so.. how many are going prot warr for HC and Mythic BFA raiding

[hot locust]

Prot every time baby, doesn't matter the tier.

[uneven mason]

I just got Voluntold the other night that I'm tanking for the HC and Mythic teams

I thought they were gonna do Monk Pal

but the MOnk decided he wanted to be a warlock

[burnt hazel]

monks always do

[uneven mason]

and the GM is the other tanking option out the gate~

So I'm getting my Paladin and Monk on that server ready

just incase

Altho

after tanking on the war a bit more

using no legos or tier set

I think we'll be just fine for BFA progression

I mean, I was only 227 and took less damage than the 248 pal I co tanked with lastnight

so~

[hot locust]

damage taken does not equal external healing attention.

I understand your point, but don't use that as a base.

[main vault]

It's also legion dmg patterns

[burnt hazel]

well.. we are at 250+ ilvl and tanking.. seems like we take a bit more dmg but not much

[main vault]

So any comparison done talking Legion content is worthless

[kind urchin]

As always I will main warrior and keep all 6 tanks raid ready for bfa.

[burnt hazel]

just hoping spell refelct will be enought.. we are going to get more magic dmg in bfa

[main vault]

How do you know

[hot locust]

have you actually looked at fights?

[main vault]

I feel you just made that up

[burnt hazel]

looked at the bosses abilities yes

[hot locust]

Having tested I'd say it's less... but what would I know. 🤔

[main vault]

It is less

I was just curious how he thinks it's more

[burnt hazel]

compare all the abilities and attacks.. its around 30% more than legion

[hot locust]

Because coming to baseless conclusions with no actual context or testing is the proper way to determine damage type variance.

I'm sorry

but you're just making shit up.

[main vault]

Now you made up a % for it

Now it has numerical value

It's not more magic btw

You can't tell by dungeon journal either

[burnt hazel]

sure.. lets se what you say after doing a HC run.. then you can come and say sorry.. omg..

[main vault]

Well

I've already tested the bosses

So

Fuck me right

[strong forum]

LFR is so fun LUL not even dropping 1 IP over the entire duration

[main vault]

LFR

[strong forum]

tmogs boy

[hot locust]

@main vault I love testing and it not actually meaning anything! 🤔

[strong forum]

gotta get em

[main vault]

Yeah

I wonder which is more magic

[strong forum]

LFR ToS mog is actually cool

[main vault]

A 10k attack casted 10 times or a 15k attack 6 times

Probably the second because it's more magic in the journal

Right?

Did I win?

[strong forum]

not sure what that question is about

[uneven mason]

No Nexii

[strong forum]

10k*10 is 100k

[uneven mason]

thats still 50% more damage!

I mean

[strong forum]

15k*6 is 90k

[uneven mason]

look at the base value /s

[main vault]

Haha

[uneven mason]

All in all Warriors would prefer the 15k 6 times

[main vault]

@strong forum you got baited so hard

[strong forum]

dont know where you were going

yea

[uneven mason]

over 10k 9 times even

cause we deal REALLY well

with times big magic hits

[main vault]

just hoping spell refelct will be enought.. we are going to get more magic dmg in bfa

[strong forum]

feel like i missed part of the question 🤔

[uneven mason]

Yeah dude Nexii was arguin at wasn't me this time

he seems to have

stepped out

[main vault]

compare all the abilities and attacks.. its around 30% more than legion

I just like arguing

[strong forum]

saying theres 30% more magic dmg than in legion?

[main vault]

Yes

[strong forum]

🤦

[main vault]

Cause journal said so

[lusty grotto]

we are going to get more magic dmg in bfa 🤔

[strong forum]

monkaS

[ebon gorge]

@ him to bring him back

So we can lol

😃

[hot locust]

Or don't.

[lusty grotto]

what encounters have magic dmg?

[strong forum]

we no bully here

[main vault]

Only boss with scary magic is Ghuun

He is a bitch

[hot locust]

There is explaining differences contextually, and then there is just being an asshole.

[lusty grotto]

let me check this out

[main vault]

The rest doesn't look bad

He hits so damn hard

[kind urchin]

Oh he's not so bad. Let me just pet him with my sword.

[ember arrow]

200 iq conversation in m+ "tank why did u die?""because i was low hp"

[uneven mason]

Nim almost all encounters in BFA have magic damage

for the most part

its very nicely timed

and bursty

[main vault]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

so we can slap it down with a DSSR combo

[kind urchin]

Because I used every cooldown at my disposal while praying for a heal from the amazing healer we have in this party but he appeared to be busy doing damage.

[main vault]

It's pretty easily dealt with by most tanks

[uneven mason]

40% + IP Magic reduction suckit

[stark sage]

they dont want another like star augur problem, where its like 90% consistent magic damage

[uneven mason]

ALthoug nNexii Ghuun should be scary

fuck that fight

[main vault]

Yeah dude

Blobs

[stark sage]

so magic damage is being more closely looked at with encounter design

[uneven mason]

Star Augur I meant

Ghuun should be interesting

[main vault]

It'll be fun

[uneven mason]

I think I'ma beg tobe llowed fury for that, let the monk deal with that crap

[main vault]

I may be playing Monk lol

Or Bear

[lusty grotto]

as long as its not fucking spammed like yeah Star Augur

[main vault]

Man that hurt lol

[lusty grotto]

honestly i kind of like this approach

it sounds reasonable

in theory

[uneven mason]

The worst part of Star Augur

progression

was you'd always hit him late night

unless you were extending lockouts

and folks would be totally colorblind

WHAT DO I HAVE RED OR ORNAGE NEEEEEEEEEEE

[main vault]

Colorblind

[lusty grotto]

lol or they were like me and forget to turn off F.lux

[main vault]

Odyn runes

[kind urchin]

When everyone's tired and cranky.

[uneven mason]

Odyn runes was epic trolling on blizzards part

[lusty grotto]

"guys why is this alliance dude grey?"

[uneven mason]

lets make these runes yellow orange and red

[lusty grotto]

"TURN OFF F.LUX"

[uneven mason]

on a ornage yellow and red floor

at least Star Augur you could see them

cause the floor wasn't color coordinated

[lusty grotto]

yeah but that's always been a stupid problem in virtually every single raid

[uneven mason]

green beams on portal keeper

[lusty grotto]

blizzard logic lets make the fire the same color as everything else

[uneven mason]

"did the floor change color a bit?"

"I think it did I'ma move over here - directly into the beam cause contrast"

[stark sage]

if you cant see beams on PK then you should get your eyes checked tbh

[uneven mason]

Storm

[astral crystal]

damn, i missed the frog fight

[uneven mason]

nah I adjusted my contrast

they're easier to see now

[kind urchin]

Like the spikes on Gul'Dan. If your camera was at the wrong angle it would't show up.

[uneven mason]

I think Storm of Darkness

was the worst tho

before they made the circles easier to see

[main vault]

IDK void bolts in Seat is fucking cancer

[ember arrow]

or ivanyr

miss me with that shit

boss basic attacks shouldnt be magic bolts

[errant ledge]

You guys might just have a shitty monitor too. A monitor upgrade is a better graphic upgrade then a Gpu. Unless ofc your Gpu cant keep up

[ember arrow]

or

[lusty grotto]

breh i have a 1440p Gsync monitor

[main vault]

Lol no

[errant ledge]

New monitor does wonders

[ember arrow]

the game isnt optimized at certain moments

[uneven mason]

it is rather low

[main vault]

I have like $2500 in two monitors and a gpu

It's def not that

[uneven mason]

however I had the brightness/contrast lowered because I play in the dark

[kind urchin]

I have an Asus vg248qe 144hz.

[uneven mason]

so I turned it up

and have a lamp behind me now

so I'm not burning my eyeballs out

[lusty grotto]

i have a dell s2716dg and my 2nd monitor is a crappy viewsonic but i dont use it to game

[main vault]

Dell

[lusty grotto]

its a great monitor

[errant ledge]

Trash*

[lusty grotto]

uh ok

[errant ledge]

Asus/predator or nothing

[lusty grotto]

rofl okay

[main vault]

Not for that price

[lusty grotto]

have fun with your freesync

[errant ledge]

Asus or predator, not and

Most asus are g sync

[lusty grotto]

they are now

[ember arrow]

minotor wars

[main vault]

You can get the Asus Swift PG278QR for the same price

[ember arrow]

monitor also

[main vault]

G sync and all

[lusty grotto]

dell have always made great monitors

shrug

[ember arrow]

implying it even matters that much

[lusty grotto]

their brand is trash but their monitors are great

[uneven mason]

Dell buys the same IPS panels that Apple charges 4000$ for

So

I mean, they're the best monitors you can buy

[main vault]

Dell?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[uneven mason]

yeah

Dell

[main vault]

No they arent

No way in hell

[uneven mason]

Their TN is garbage

[main vault]

Just because apple overcharges doesn't make them great

[uneven mason]

but their IPS monitors are some good shit

[lusty grotto]

i use their IPS @ work

so good

[errant ledge]

Dell monitors dont even have a 90%rgb rating

[astral crystal]

my best monitor experiences have been with ASUS

[errant ledge]

No wonder you cant see mechanics

[ember arrow]

lol

fanboi

[uneven mason]

I don't have a dell monitor

[astral crystal]

???

[lusty grotto]

jesus lol

this guy

the one person that agrees with you also has problems with mechanics

[somber dragon]

i have an old-ass asus laptop with a 560m graphics card and i'm pretty fucking good at staying outta mechanics.... i think this argument is tomfoolery 😄

[errant ledge]

Asus,evga,corsair,msi are the only brands that should be in near or around your pc for optimal pc gaming. Plain and simple.

[somber dragon]

OH

[main vault]

Who has problems with mechanics?

[somber dragon]

and i'm running wine/linux for my wow

[lusty grotto]

you nexii

[astral crystal]

it's epeen measurement on a cantonese voice cryptomining program

[main vault]

No i dont

When did I say that?

[lusty grotto]

you said

[uneven mason]

Like,

[ember arrow]

saying u cant have good pc gaming exp

[uneven mason]

I'm not even sure why folks are arguing about monitors

[ember arrow]

if u dont buy certain brands

[lusty grotto]

i mean ???

[main vault]

Does that mean I've had an issue?

[errant ledge]

I said for optimal

[main vault]

Purple on purple is bad

[ember arrow]

doesnt matter

[uneven mason]

when I specifically said - I had trouble seeing green on gree, cause my brightness/contrast was down (nothing to do with the quality of the monitor)

[main vault]

Doesn't mean I've fsiled

So ???

[lusty grotto]

that's obviously what i meant

[ember arrow]

wtf is optimal exp anyway, if i see wtf is going on with good fps

thats optimal

[lusty grotto]

my point is, the problem is not the monitor

[ember arrow]

i dont need to see khadgar's testicle in 4k

[astral crystal]

lol

but you do

[lusty grotto]

hell this whole argument started because we were talking about late late late night progression

[main vault]

You need to see everything in 4k

It's 2018

[ember arrow]

nope

[astral crystal]

furry RP outside of goldshire in 4k

[ember arrow]

also current year

[main vault]

I didn't spend 6k on my computer to see it in 1080p like some pleb

[uneven mason]

Ok I'ma convince my wife to let me setup in the living room, 65" UHD monitor here i come

[main vault]

Do it!!!

[errant ledge]

Incoming ms latency

[lusty grotto]

4k World of Warcraft

[uneven mason]

actually its not that bad

it has a gaming mode

[main vault]

It's so big who cares about latency lol

[uneven mason]

good enough to beat battletoads

if I can beat battletoads on that TV

I can deal with the input lag

[main vault]

Besides

Tanking in 2018

Latency may make it better

[uneven mason]

^^

GCD removes input lag issues

I mean right?

[lusty grotto]

hahaha

[uneven mason]

IP is my input lag

[main vault]

Won't notice gcd if the screen doesn't react

[ember arrow]

200iq

[lusty grotto]

wp sir

[ember arrow]

how about playing without monitor

for ultimate gamer experience

[uneven mason]

There was a blind dude who raided

he has a item in game

[kind urchin]

VR ftw

[somber dragon]

he and his friend have helms

[main vault]

On a rogue too

[somber dragon]

i linked them earlier in fury i think

[ember arrow]

i talk about gaming

not VR

haHAA

[astral crystal]

VR WoW... the dream

[main vault]

Cleared raids too

[stark sage]

vr wow would be a disaster

[uneven mason]

Daredevil: Gamer Mode

[astral crystal]

will i finally be able to get milkies from mommy Whitemane and die crushed between her enormous muscular thighs

[main vault]

Only way to make Tanking better is to make it VR

[stark sage]

[lusty grotto]

lol

[uneven mason]

As someone who tanked first person view in other MMOs

Making tanking first person

or VR

does not make it better

[ember arrow]

FPS tanking

not like thids

[uneven mason]

it just makes you stare at monster balls

[lusty grotto]

there's an audience for that

[ember arrow]

rule 34

[somber dragon]

here's an article about those:

https://www.cinemablend.com/games/Blind-World-Warcraft-Player-His-Guide-Honored-By-Game-Items-47483.html

[ember arrow]

blind dude can raid

ppl on wow forums

cant do mage tower

ok

[somber dragon]

i mean

how much do you have to interact with the general public daily 😄

the average is quite dismal 😄

[ember arrow]

how ironic

Kappa

[lusty grotto]

hold up, you guys lied

that's a plate and a mail helm

OP rogue wears plate or mail

[somber dragon]

he went to rogue for MoP i think:
https://www.engadget.com/2013/03/07/blind-player-ben-shaw-on-raiding-and-wow-for-the-sightless/

[lusty grotto]

oh, i see

why wouldn't he go DH though

[ember arrow]

???

[lusty grotto]

could be just perfect

[ember arrow]

dh in mop

yes

[lusty grotto]

no i mean now

[main vault]

Such meme

[ember arrow]

oh because dhs are blind

[lusty grotto]

thanks for ruining that Levko

[ember arrow]

yea

[somber dragon]

ya'll too much

😄

[main vault]

Way to catch up

Ruin it for everyone

[ember arrow]

its what i do

kingarotgs"ruiner" was named in honor of me

fun fact

[main vault]

There's an all deaf guild that cleared mythic in Legion

[lusty grotto]

y'all missed a great joke guys, i'm sorry

:p

[main vault]

And some people can't clear LFR

[ember arrow]

thats surely a meme

right??

[somber dragon]

"I can't hear your complaints about LFR..... and even if i could, I'm too busy clearing mythic"

[main vault]

Lol

No im serious

[somber dragon]

I believe it

[main vault]

https://www.pcgamer.com/how-a-guild-of-deaf-players-conquered-world-of-warcrafts-toughest-raids/

[ember arrow]

i play withotu sound always

so same thing

[somber dragon]

i'm fucked without auditory clues personally, but i can see how something like WA could compensate

[main vault]

No it isn't

No way you are dumb enough to think it is

[ember arrow]

i just have WAs flash screen till i am dead

[kind mirage]

I play without skill anyway. Where is my article ?

[main vault]

Lol

[somber dragon]

no sound, no voice, just text, and typing during a raid is a bitch 😄

[waxen talon]

how is being deaf a huge handicap

[ember arrow]

^

[main vault]

Can yell for cds

[waxen talon]

voicechat is 90% morons yellin anyway

[main vault]

Taunt swaps

[waxen talon]

macro whisper spam

[ember arrow]

WAs, bigwigs

[kind urchin]

And then leave a funny message on your screen when you mess up and die?

[somber dragon]

not sure where you've done progression raiding, but i tend to stick to places that keep voice pretty fucking clear during attempts then 😄

[lusty grotto]

we play warriors, where is our article: "worst tanking class in BFA according to people that randomly pop up on discord after watching Sco's rankings, clear some hard shit"

[waxen talon]

i played with same healer for a while and i had a macro spammin him "piss my face" when i needed a pain sub

[uneven mason]

You can run Dragon Naturally speaking and type into an overlay

[ember arrow]

playing wow deaf is essentiallt playing without voice and sound

[main vault]

People in here asking how it's hard

[uneven mason]

But I mean

[main vault]

Can't clear mythic while hearing

[uneven mason]

but I mean, there was raiding before VOIP

*shrug

just setup macros

to flast keyphrases

[ember arrow]

cant

gcd

[astral crystal]

i remember raiding with smoke signals and discreet ethercasts into the psychosphere

[uneven mason]

to trigger other folks WAs

[astral crystal]

those were the days

[waxen talon]

text message is still off GCD.

[ember arrow]

it soon wont be

[waxen talon]

luckily.

[ember arrow]

every letter u type

gcd

make it happen

[somber dragon]

too OP in pvp, will nurf

[waxen talon]

nerf all the idiots macroing their bladestorm to yell some shit

[ember arrow]

have the game freeze for .5 sec every 3 sec

for the ultimate gcd experience

[somber dragon]

BONESTORM!!!!!

wrong class 😄

[waxen talon]

no

just make wow turn based

even better

[somber dragon]

or a ttrpg!

[ember arrow]

already feels like it. Levko used Avatar, mob used melee, Levko used DS, mob used spell

[waxen talon]

levko also swings his weapon here and there

too bad it hits like a noodle, huh?

[ember arrow]

ye

on bdk its #2 or #1 dmg source

[waxen talon]

to counter the gcd crap im like

[ember arrow]

pinnacle of skill

[waxen talon]

"pop avatar > chare in"

charge*

atleast it feels funner

[lusty grotto]

😢

i cry everytiem

[waxen talon]

warriors dont cry

go reroll wheelchair

[kind urchin]

2 hours later..." Levko uses Shield Slam"

[lusty grotto]

no, i only cry on my paladin

RP crying

[waxen talon]

jokes on you, i dont even do world content as prot cuz i fijnd it so unplayable

[lusty grotto]

casts thunder clap

[waxen talon]

At least theyve made arms good so we might have a chance of reaching 210

120*

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[fresh dragon]

some1 know if the 10% damage reduction on ANTORUS is applied also to BOSSES?

[signal plover]

Creatures bro

Whatever that means

[dusk locust]

are players creatures 🤔

(kidding don't hurt me)

[fresh dragon]

mmmmm

[coral dew]

Avatar + Tclap spam is a pretty stronk af combo inn mass pvp

Oh my

[crimson quarry]

Crackling thunder+avatar+tclap is God like. I absolutely destroy parses

[kind mirage]

Parses ?

[wide juniper]

Found the old EQ player

[crimson quarry]

You bet.

[kind mirage]

Wath is that ?

[crimson quarry]

Bfa brought me to wow- glad I finally gave it a shot

[wide juniper]

Parse being the damage meter stuff

[crimson quarry]

All that the hate in prot- we're gonna show them

[stark sage]

parses are generally the term related to warcraft log percentile ranks

[crimson quarry]

Ah, gotcha

[weary notch]

part of me is tempted to level with Punish / HR / Sword and Board / BV and leggo gloves for the massive SS hits

[ember arrow]

movespeed: wheelchair without wheels

[lusty grotto]

lol

[weary notch]

I have Heroic Lump

and Interschlep

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[fresh dagger]

so how is it

warrior in bfa

[lusty grotto]

bfa is out?!

😱

[crimson quarry]

Thanks think it's safe to say it's out, just needs the flip switched to unlock content

[lusty grotto]

😱

[fresh dagger]

so

how is it prot

as a main tank in legion and previous xpac i was sad after 7.1 and the nerf bat

[ember arrow]

the best part wasn after NH

[clear sapphire]

I was not much a fan of NH but I enjoyed the "criticisms" of prot and the revolving door of the second tank spot for ToS and abt.

[stark sage]

the NH tier was nice, but there were a couple dick punch bosses in that raid

when they added devastator, the class felt much more complete imo

even if it was super OP in EN

[clear sapphire]

It was open for part of en.

Op*

[somber dragon]

PROT NEEDS HATE

WE RAGE LIKE MOTHERFUCKERS

[clear sapphire]

I thought that was Fury?

[somber dragon]

all warriors rage

[clear sapphire]

We are the steadfast and calm ones :0

[wild sandal]

i see a lot of warriors still go devstator talent for Antorus with hands lego, is that better than booming voice , or its good only in ST ?

[somber dragon]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i don't like devastator, or the similar dh talent

like... at all

[stark sage]

@wild sandal no, any1 still using devastator just doesnt want to let go. or they havnt been keeping up with balance

[clear sapphire]

Now if they added decent rage gain back.......

[wild sandal]

ok, and the hands lego still one of the best, i hardly ever press devsate since i dont really have the gcd for it, or a m i doing it wrong ?

[stark sage]

nah you are fine

[wild sandal]

ok thank you

[long phoenix]

is the 4 piece worth using or is it still garbage?

[fresh dragon]

no

its BIS

a MUST USE

u use IP than 2 x SB

and ur shield become more than ur health 😮

when IP expire u restart with that

thats ur rotation

for defence

then use TC + SS to generate rage

avatar + DS too

and LS when needed (100% block (not crit))

SW if needed

devastate when u dont do anything of this (never?)

thats war bfa up to now

@long phoenix

[somber dragon]

one could argue better to get rid of it and start learning the new ways sooner rather than later 🤔

[ember arrow]

No

Legion content isnt tuned for no leggos runs

So better keep em on

[fathom lagoon]

Hey guys, ive heard people saying prot is bad in bfa, is that true? I was considering rerolling, but now im not sure, what spec would you recommend instead?

[undone sun]

It's more than fine for a mythic raider.

Pushing high dungeons(25+) is still reserved for the meta specifics whichever it'll be at the time

[solid sun]

So I've been practicing M+, and I have to say that I'm really struggling with threat management when I open on a pack, depending on how many targets there are

[ember arrow]

avatar + DS + TC

[north dove]

Idk how i feel about Demo shout being on the GCD

but not Int

and Battle Shout is on GCD as well..? Lol

[sweet kettle]

Well battle shout doesn't really matter unless someone dies mid combat in a boss encounter

[broken kite]

Defensive abilities on gcd KEK

[north dove]

that's what i mean. Like Avatar sure.. GCD

but abilities that keep me alive..

[kind urchin]

But Last stand and Shield wall aren't on the GCD.

[north dove]

i'd almost prefer those are

and have shouts not

[empty locust]

Totally disagree with that, you want major defensives not on the GCD .

Some fights you have limited time to use an ability to stay alive through some massive spike.

[sweet kettle]

The massive abilities are the oh shit button and since you don't press them that often putting them on the Gcd wouldn't make sense

[empty locust]

Demo is really strong in aoe pulls in mythic + and i find i use it more for dps burst to get agro on packs than as a defensive CD. The DR is just nice in addition

[sweet kettle]

New demo shout with belt is so nice

[empty locust]

Trying not to get too attached to it...we wont have it for too much longer!

[next goblet]

quick question.. stand your ground buff.. what is that from?

[tender imp]

4set

[next goblet]

23.5k boost to IP?

so prot war is not good in m+

[somber dragon]

says who?

[amber siren]

If you hear someone say 'x class isn't good at m+' they're talking about very high keys that require meta comps

All classes and specs are fine for normal/heroic/mythic/reasonably high level M+

If they say otherwise they probably watched a tank ranking video taking 30 second intervals to hit their head on the desk

[spice saddle]

Anyone know if shields have the warforge cap too or is it just weapons?

[jade socket]

weapons can tf not sure about shields

fairly certain the only thing that cant is azerite gear

[somber dragon]

my darkshore one tf'd

[spice saddle]

weapons only warforge now

max +10

[jade socket]

they still tf

[somber dragon]

wait

what's the difference

[jade socket]

blizzard got rid of the wf only

[spice saddle]

u sure?

[jade socket]

yeah

seen it multiple times in beta

[spice saddle]

last blue post i saw was a weapon TF cap

[jade socket]

if you mean the q and a they said their current thinking was to only let them wf

but they changed their minds

I dont recall a blue post

[main vault]

You must be lucky then lol

Most I had a weapon wf was 10

[spice saddle]

same

entire guild reports the same

[somber dragon]

i'm.... recopying over data... the joys of linux... or i'd log in and check my shield, i know i got a 220 weapon, i think the shield is 225 or 230.... but i have CRS

[topaz ridge]

I would like to to have this one but sadly only the Axe dropped

[broken kite]

Shame they aren't new models

[main vault]

Also don't know if those count as BFA gear

[somber dragon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

would be silly of them to code it legacy style at this point?

[next goblet]

my personal experience prot war just isn't quite as stronk in m+, i shouldn't have said not good

wrong choice of words my bad

i love my prot war

but in mythic+ especially in certain ones like halls of valor i just dont feel that powerful like i used to 😭

[astral crystal]

sblock is still pretty stronk

[waxen cradle]

Yeah my experience is also certain instances such as HoV and Arcway do not favor our particular toolkit as much as other tanks. We need to rely considerably heavily on IP in HoV for the the 2 big packs leading up to the first boss. It gets easier after that but if dps do not interrupt its very punishing to us.

If dps help interrupt its not so bad but in pugs at least people like to hurr durr just about everything so thats likely my own fault there.

[next goblet]

yeah i noticed it in HoV real bad

versus like my VDH, i really have zero issue

[waxen cradle]

It's more a issue of people in pugs thinking they can power through things and not pay attention to well really anything, and that is what you get in pugs

The answer would be don't pug but sometimes that is not a easy answer if you do not have people on who you can run stuff with

[somber dragon]

as long as you don't have a braindead healer, reports from beta are prot warrior is solid in m+ not FOTM, but solid.

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I assume Fuzzy is talking about live though

[broken kite]

solid bottom of the pack

[waxen cradle]

Which hardly matters in truth but if your bored and do not want to stay bored people like to run dungeons to take away from the boredom

[next goblet]

yeah def live

[waxen cradle]

On live rather

[main vault]

I just don't log on WoW, helps with boredom lol

[broken kite]

🔥

[undone sun]

same

[spice saddle]

Rocking that ffxiv to cure the wow boredom

i swear wow is copying their tank mechanics...,

[main vault]

Just have no interest in prepatch

[undone sun]

same

[broken kite]

farming those MoP lfr sets

[waxen cradle]

I mean if you have beta you could log on beta but now with BFA live launch so close also it feels pointless to log on there as it will be over very soon

[main vault]

Sure. Farming + or raiding is equally as pointless though lol

[broken kite]

i mean if you do it for fun

[spice saddle]

yeah i stockpiled mats to lvl all my alts professions up.... but yeah thats useless now.

[broken kite]

or to practice your new class changes

wow is pointless from that PoV i guess

[main vault]

Most people have played them on beta and live is dead content

[waxen cradle]

And its not like feedback on the beta holds a lot of merit at this point as class changes are certainly moved to the back burner so not point in that either. However when I talk about the point of it if you have decided what you want to play and have already spent months getting used to the changes to your class then its either log on live and gear up alts or find something to do until BFA launch

[spice saddle]

sooo bummed over 1500 primarl sarg and nothing to do with it

[waxen cradle]

Never hurts to gear up alts and what not during pre patch and that is what has consumed most of my live play in the past week or so

[spice saddle]

guess i could make an enchance.

it's soo bad you know they are gonna buff it

[waxen cradle]

Ultimately how we "feel" in M+ is not a representation of how we will play or "feel" at 120 when BFA launches

How we feel on live I mean

While most Azerite traits are passive and not as "game changing" as we were lead to believe they do and will make a difference

Well gameplay changing to be exact

[spice saddle]

yeah none of the az traits are that cool or fun. More just gap fillers.

[waxen cradle]

BEEP BEEP Fun detected Kill it... Kill it with fire

[amber siren]

Deafening crash and keeping DS up as long as possible is fun to me 🤷

[waxen cradle]

Yeah agreed was just a little slight on how subjective a term fun can be

I agree as I find DCrash fun and how it extends DS duration a fun trait

[eager phoenix]

One thing prot is lacking is the ability to group mobs up. Now, I'm not saying warrior lacks utility in other aspects but I think this is a Big One when it comes to perceived usefulness/viability of prot warriors in dungeons. People have grown accustomed to the one man army that has been Blood DK in Legion with group leech, battle res and mass grip or they look at protection paladins and see spellwarding, lay on hands, sacrifice and protection and just 1:1 compare this to a warrior. I was thinking we should get back AOE taunt nanner from MOP to get something more but i think it won't happen as blizzard has basically said they dont want to give every class the same tools.

[west vigil]

inb4 vacuum effect on leap azerite trait

[eager phoenix]

✌🏾 😄

[waxen cradle]

I can agree, but also @eager phoenix they also stand behind they want certain classes, and obviously tanks to excel at certain things and not so much at others so there is that.

By they I mean Blizzard, but you knew that I am sure

[west vigil]

it's kind of weird to think like "yeah we dont want to give everyone the same tools" when the gameplay literally calls for those tools

the M+ gameplay in specific really wants tanks to be able to group mobs up fast for destroying them asap

[somber dragon]

the ironic thing is that bdk isn't that uber anymore... gorefiend's nerfed radius, no more leech aura, and not nearly as sturdy as it was in 7.x

[amber siren]

Any mass grip is going to be strong in M+ even if the radius is small

That's just how it is

[west vigil]

in my opinion the differences between tanks shouldnt be "oh this tank is good in m+ while this other one is great in raid boss tanking"

i feel like each tank should have their own desired toolkit for multiple types of content

[somber dragon]

and unless yer doing MDI/pushing keys to the max, and/or mythic progression, that's really the case for bfa from all the non "chicken little" reports i've heard

[main vault]

You are correct

[waxen cradle]

I think maybe they tried to make Menace attractive as utility to make up for the lack that we have, but honestly it does not and will not compete for a shorter cd on a stun in my opinion

[amber siren]

I liked the small niches we had like shield slam being a purge

[tiny sphinx]

I miss disarm in pve

[somber dragon]

i do miss when heroic throw could interrupt/silence casters 😄

[eager phoenix]

I agree that it is super relative. Like, what is your ambition level? What does your group really need? I mean, perhaps your healer/dps covers most utility needs and all you need is a tank that can do damage or your running with dps that lack immunities so the relative value of commanding shout shoots up. Besides: come 8.1 and suddenly blizzard buff the shit out of warriors and there we are with our warriors ready to juice it out.

[somber dragon]

my ambitions? casual everything 😄

[main vault]

Buffs won't do it

[eager phoenix]

8.2: azerite trait gives us back lego bracers or non-gcd IP 🙏🏾

[somber dragon]

but i'm gonna be that casual that people go like "holy shit that was awesome" 😄

[tiny sphinx]

about 90% of the azerite traits are garbage lazy passives that clearly had little thought put into

[waxen cradle]

The real irony I find is that our PvP talents contain multiple things that could significantly give us greater control or more utility in M+ content, but that can be said for many tank classes

[somber dragon]

in these days of gorfiend.... people forget the easiest way to group shit up....

LoS baby

[west vigil]

honestly though if you have to cover up the lackings of a tank class by taking a dps class with utility you need isnt good design either

[spice saddle]

eh gorefiend 15 yards and 1.5min cd (talented) are kinda meh now.

[west vigil]

then you're stuck with "well if you have a warrior tank then you're gonna need this and that"

[main vault]

That's the point of the game though...

[eager phoenix]

that makes non sense eikka. we ain't playing chess of course classes can and should offer different things.

[main vault]

That's why you build a comp

[spice saddle]

i feel like blood dk was just gutted, the self healing feels worse than a dh now.

[waxen cradle]

Using LoS in a pug is funny as shit... now granted the answer there is don't pug, but you can tell in pugs really fast how used to DK's dps are when you try and LoS and they stand there and hurr durr

[somber dragon]

mythics were not really intended to be pugged LFD style, hence the group finder letting the leader pick/choose

[main vault]

Blood will still be top m+ though

[somber dragon]

blood and DH are going to be the pushers for m+ so if yer MDI-aspiring, go that direction for sure

[west vigil]

my point was that if there's other tanks that arent handicapped in such a way it's not really good design

leads to "why would you ever pick tank x"

[somber dragon]

blood has shit mobility, not as bad as legion, but it's still garbo

[spice saddle]

i kinda like the monks mix for raid/m+ but just cant stand the throw a keg stupidness...

[waxen cradle]

For MDI M+ you never would is the point @west vigil

[somber dragon]

i don't like monk or druid due to the "mandated" 100% updtime stuffs

[west vigil]

yeah, for sure. i'm just troubled by the fact that there'll be a ton of mdi wannabes who follow the "meta"

[somber dragon]

and i don't like frost or unholy, and holy pali/bdk doesn't seem like a strong 2s team to me 😄

[eager phoenix]

the reality is 90% of players probably haven't picked their class based on fotm but what they've played throughout the years and its basically happenstance if their classes are strong or not any given time in wow. so the question for them isn't whether what classes on paper is the strongest and how shitty it feels when if they didn't end up with current meta top choices but how the fuck they can make prot warrior/2x feral + ele shaman and disc priest work in practice for their m+ adventures.

[somber dragon]

so, i started hunting around and warrior fits my needs the best

[waxen cradle]

That is just a vicious cycle though because then you just run with guildies or friends

[somber dragon]

i'd rather run with guildies and friends any day over pugchamps....

or should i say pugchimps? 😄

and unless they do something really bad

[west vigil]

i guess i'm just being overly cynical

and pessimistic

[somber dragon]

warrior will be fine, without having to bring along x,y or z to general mythic stuffs

[spice saddle]

idk i used to love prot warrior back in vanilla. bfa prot war feels like a dps class that just generates extra threat and tries not to die.

[somber dragon]

people were getting 90% + coverage between CDs and SB/IP during active tanking time, in early raid level gear as a warrior

that's fucking rock solid damage reduction

[waxen cradle]

To be honest its why for well the past 2 expansions my first alt has always been and will always be a BDK because if I want to really push M+ I go to my DK

[spice saddle]

well pushing keys fast = better raid tanking = better raid progression and it snowballs

[somber dragon]

i just "main alt" my bdk because i like it thematically, still can't stand frost or UH though overall, between the "feel" for frost, and the fucking petshit for UH 😄

again, if you are in a progression world, you can't ever go in thinking "play what i like"

you play what the team needs

that's how progression has always been

from vanilla on

nobody approaching raids/m+ as something fun to push a little and challenge them, but still remain casual, will have to sacrifice "play what you want" unless your guild doesn't need more tanks/healers/dps

[west vigil]

"man i really want to progress in m+ but my only tank is my prot warrior and everyone's picking dave and his sickass blood dk for their m+ push runs"

[spice saddle]

eh people pick good tanks.

[somber dragon]

then run m+ as a dps with dave to get the gear

[spice saddle]

a noob dh vs a good prot war in a key matters

[somber dragon]

there's always options

[spice saddle]

a pro dh vs a pro warrior. pro dh wins m+ atm

[eager phoenix]

yeah but if you dont have a "pro dh" what then

[spice saddle]

the fotm spec always gets noobs.

[somber dragon]

or is the general wow-populace so fucking brainwashed by youtube drivel that nobody thinks for themselves?

[west vigil]

i feel like it is

honestly

[eager phoenix]

doesnt matter if there always is a theoretical "pro dh" to choose from unless you actually have a person playing "pro dh" in guild or group of friends

[main vault]

People are too stupid to think for themselves

[west vigil]

people go on wowhead and see method's m+ ranking and form a team based on that

[eager phoenix]

obviously i want to play m+ with Jesus to always win and be saved but he aint always available

[somber dragon]

99% of the players watching videos like sco's will never be in a situation where that shit that came out of his mouth could even matter, if he was even accurate to begin with.

[spice saddle]

My gf plays havoc so i'm thinking monk just for the perks of double buffs.

[main vault]

I can guarantee you 10% of this discord left when Scos tank rankings came out

[west vigil]

rofl

[somber dragon]

good riddance

[spice saddle]

honestly if shields get massive titanforges still i'd bet on Paladin

[somber dragon]

wheelchairadin?

[main vault]

Bye Felicia

[spice saddle]

blocking spells with TF shields

strong stuff

[somber dragon]

15% rnjeesus

[main vault]

How do you know you'll block

[spice saddle]

+15% block

my beta pally was ~45% block

[somber dragon]

that's right

[spice saddle]

at 120 anyways

[main vault]

You willing to be progression in a coin flip?

[somber dragon]

still rng, still not gonna block boss baddy spell things (just plain shadowbolt shit i think)

[west vigil]

am i the only one kind of excited on getting weapons as loot again

[main vault]

Cause if you don't block that spell it doesn't matter if your shield is TF to 9000

[spice saddle]

^ true

[waxen cradle]

I know I already stated this, but has anyone looked over our PvP talents and prot and got nostalgic to the good old days when our talents did that anyway. At least got that feeling lately I mean. I know this is not really our discussion at the moment but I do for one get the good ole days feel.

[somber dragon]

i'm very excited for a lot of things in bfa

all the pvp warrior talents make me nostalgic for days of the past alting on my warrior for funzies

[spice saddle]

i miss the old talent trees tbh

could really play the spec you wanted

vs pick 1 of 3

[somber dragon]

no other class has the same amount of pvp talents that make me like "hmmm, i might actually enjoy this shit"

[spice saddle]

specing for just enough to get hit cap etc