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kind urchin Jul 25, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Still get a lot more sense procs with devastator.

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 1:50 PM

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If that was the case, it would be a stronger talent overall

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but its not

kind urchin Jul 25, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Shield slam*

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 1:50 PM

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the proc clipping was the major issue

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 1:50 PM

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also

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during avatar

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if you don't have devastor you waste the gloves 100%

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or are forced to press devaste over SS or revenge

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 1:56 PM

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I just don't see where it would be a DPS increase over BV unless whoever is running the logs was specifically avoiding damage while testing the alternative

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 1:56 PM

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i mean its pretty easy to test on a dummy

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which build does more

copper cedar Jul 25, 2018, 2:00 PM

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dps dummy is a bad test, as you get no revenge proccs. and tank dummy....you wont be able to test very long...

tough stump Jul 25, 2018, 2:02 PM

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They should make a trash tank dummy and a cluster trash tank dummy

copper cedar Jul 25, 2018, 2:03 PM

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doubt they would make a dummy just for testing tank dps :X

tough stump Jul 25, 2018, 2:04 PM

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oh I thought he was talking about testing survivability on something that isn't so spiky, mb

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:04 PM

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hah

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Nah, the idea that Devastator is a sufficient enough DPS gain to not use BV is questionable

copper cedar Jul 25, 2018, 2:04 PM

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dummy is not that great of a way to test tank surv anyway, a wet noodle tank dummy would be even less

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:05 PM

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From what I can tell the gain is miniscule at best, chances are has more todo with the QOL change that makes dealing damage easier, rather than having to think about what the optimal button to press next is

copper cedar Jul 25, 2018, 2:07 PM

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I am so used to devastator that during my last dungeons I regularly forgot to press devastate at all, was embarassing

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:07 PM

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You generally wouldn't press devastate

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it doesn't come up that oftne rather

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But

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if you're maximizing DPS from the gloves

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:10 PM

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also lets not forget the 4set is still op as hell and u dont have to press IP very often thanks to it

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so more rage goes into revenge

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:10 PM

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mmhmm

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once every 10 s

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:10 PM

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it really isn't miniscule

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and the logs support that it isn't

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sadly prot sims aren't implemented

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and i doubt all people playing with belt + BV were all bad at optimizing dps

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:11 PM

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also you dont really have 100% uptime of demo on single target

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:12 PM

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yeah

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so it's not

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15% on all vs 20% on some at all

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:12 PM

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in 5mans u can, but in single target no way u have it 100%

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:13 PM

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the main difference is during avatar

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:13 PM

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yes but it falls off after

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:13 PM

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the gain during avatar from gloves+devastor is absolutely imense

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since you can spend pretty much every global doing damage

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and those double buffed TCs hit hard

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:14 PM

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is it a multiplier?

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the gloves

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like

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:14 PM

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yes

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:14 PM

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does tc do 120% with gloves+avatar

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or multiplied

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:14 PM

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1.2

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:15 PM

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it does 1.2*1.2

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:15 PM

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ye thats pretty big

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:15 PM

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*2

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:15 PM

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also gloves are great for aoe burst

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Don't doubt that

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Discussion was never "are the gloves good"

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:16 PM

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*gloves with devastator

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since you can TC->revenge->repeat

uncut juniper Jul 25, 2018, 2:23 PM

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is there a way to skip this boring pre quest for my toons? i just wanna go get some catch up gear through Darkshore WQs :o

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:23 PM

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So far the only really solid proof I see from the logs thus far is the guys with the 259 ilvl who are doing really good damage, use devastator, but once you get outside of the folks who are massively geared more than the other logs, its neck and neck

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So all I can say is having top gear in the world makes you do a lot of damage as prot

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but those are the ones showing up on the top

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so thats what people think is "Best"

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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try it yourself and see

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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perception

merry cave Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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haha wow grevious is pretty awful as war

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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i've tried for myself

merry cave Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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after the joy of last week

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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gloves + devastor definately did more

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Ok

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Its not massive though is the point

merry cave Jul 25, 2018, 2:24 PM

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might actually spec impending

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 2:25 PM

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the massive gap in DPS has everything to do with the 10ilvl gap in the top logs

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and not with devastator vs BV

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I have the same or more damage than tanks that run gloves + devastator, with BV on the log run I did

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And around 10ilvl less

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So my guess would be its incredibly minor, or I couldve gotten rank 1 with gloves devastator idk

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Playing well and having good ilvl are equally important

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You arent going to get big dick parses unless youre doing both

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Well yeah

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:53 PM

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As far as which talents actually do more damage, i think it's probably too early to make a meaningful decision supported by evidence

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Everything is broken right now

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Well in bfa BV will be hands down stronger

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So that's that

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No question there

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Well yeah, if the legendary that procs off devastate is going away then that's pretty easy to deduce lol

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I guess I'm wondering why it's even a relevant question?

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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It's not really tbh

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Just came up

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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It's prepatch and nobody is playing at the level they are tuned for

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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nothing better to do in prepatch but to minmax ur dps

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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So even if the leggo were sticking around, nothing that's happening right now is generating good info

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Na it's just for shits and giggles atm.

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Yeah man, gotta get those orange heroic parses for 7.3.5 :hnnnng:

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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We're hungry for something to discuss about ykno

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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its not about parses, its about killing the boss faster

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helping your raid

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Same thing

tender imp Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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okay then

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xd

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:57 PM

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do you enjoy playing turtle on an easy boss? if the answer is no there's your explanation

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Oh believe me, ordinarily I would be the first person to defend parse culture

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But it's prepatch on a dead tier so it's hard to stay interested lol

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 2:59 PM

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there's not really much else to do so eh shrugs

astral crystal Jul 25, 2018, 3:28 PM

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i prefer defensive play tbh

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not that parsing isn't fun

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if you could weave the two together that'd be ace

fickle geyser Jul 25, 2018, 3:30 PM

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but pushing for ranks is only fun thing about tanking farm

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how do u stay awake if not for deeps

astral crystal Jul 25, 2018, 3:31 PM

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idk, once you got shit on farm you typically clear in a night

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it's not a huge sacrifice

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I assume UPPER final boss beam is bugged?

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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To each their own. I love me some tank parsin

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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sometimes get hit and knocked off sometimes not

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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yeah just keep it facing down the middle and pop cds to tank the dis beam

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the last one its casting after you engage it in p2

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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well its not living through it is the issue

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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will turn to tank

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:36 PM

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hes knocking everyone back

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even if youre behind him

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360 knock back

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:37 PM

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oh never seen the 360 one

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I was even on the edge and he was pointing down line

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bam! knocked away

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monk port wouldnt even help

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:37 PM

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have to tank one beam starting on p2 and sometimes can reset at start of p3 ive seen

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if anyone gets to boss and hits it, it will cast on highest threat target afaik

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Just do more dmg

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:37 PM

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turns too soon

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:38 PM

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well im on my (was) 974 monk and pugging with jajajajs

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sooo it was painful

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:38 PM

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i tend to wait for first beam then get to boss before cast of second to make sure still pointed down center and pop cds to take the hit

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:38 PM

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I just remember reading something about last week everyone avoiding upper due to last boss being bugged

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was curious if thats still an issue

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cause i have a 21 upper on one of my warriors

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:39 PM

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managed it on 20 easy enough with tyran

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so now its forti should be fine, and im not that well geared

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only 240 equipped

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:39 PM

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its not the beam killing

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its a knockback

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thats the bug i was reading about last week

oak ermine Jul 25, 2018, 3:39 PM

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beam does knockback but ive never seen the 360 one and did upper quite a few times last week

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:40 PM

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yeah it was cucking the group...we even sat on the edges while he did a cast to make sure

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someone would ge thit

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fuck it...wasnt my key and just rolling through 7 tanks getting 15s done

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 3:43 PM

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7?

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:44 PM

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yeah

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i have 6 horde and 1 alliance warrior

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alliance was a test cause i kept reading mmo champ posts people QQing about raider io ruins the game...they cant ever get into any groups...so boosted a toon and no help, fresh, pretended to be stupid easily got 15, heroic and did a push with some aussies to 3k. i think I hit 968 before squish

cosmic cargo Jul 25, 2018, 3:46 PM

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ah

full spruce Jul 25, 2018, 3:50 PM

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if I didnt have 2 crazy dogs id prob have rolled all 6 alliance side too just for kicks

jade tartan Jul 25, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Happened to me @full spruce

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Basically the beam was facing the corridor and the group, I'd jump behind it

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and when the cast was over it would 360 and hit me instead

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 4:57 PM

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i think after i get a day or two more of this catch-up gear i'll have a better idea how i like prot, even though i don't dislike it with my shitty gear 😄

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or are we calling it scumbag gear 😄

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Anything acquired prior to level 120 is scumbag gear

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 5:11 PM

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LOL

limpid condor Jul 25, 2018, 5:12 PM

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Playing my lvl 64 prot warrior first time since pre-patch, and the lvl 45 talent Unstoppable Force, increases Thunder Claps dmg while Avatar is active, but i do not see Avatar anywhere in my spellbook or talents

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 5:12 PM

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switch to arms and back

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or fury

limpid condor Jul 25, 2018, 5:13 PM

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wtf how does that work

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thx anyway

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 5:13 PM

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It's just broken

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 5:13 PM

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🍝

sick sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 5:15 PM

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anyone having issues with his mouse cant right click or use mouse macros at middle of screen

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:21 PM

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Uhhh switch to arms and back?

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Or just /reload

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:26 PM

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turn off discord overlay?

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Or you have a hidden WA or other UI element that isn't clickthrough

prisma crane Jul 25, 2018, 5:29 PM

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god dammit @shut summit all that did was make me hungry

lapis gazelle Jul 25, 2018, 5:36 PM

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For Antorus HC would you take bounding stride or crackling thunder?

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 5:38 PM

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doesnt matter

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both do nothing for an actual fight

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Bounding Stride for when the soulbombed healer runs away from you like some half blind flipperhanded spidermonkey

lapis gazelle Jul 25, 2018, 5:41 PM

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lol

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:42 PM

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Bounding stride is almost always better for raiding

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:43 PM

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Yeah, but I Figured I'd present a real world example

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:43 PM

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More mobility or a larger radius on tank dps, hmmmmmm

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Yeah i wasnt disagreeing with you

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Or Bounding Stride, when the other tank keeps taunting the wrong F**King sister on coven and you need to get out of his taunt range before your wife starts screaming about her multidot DPS being ruined.

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Bounding Stride - Because you confuse people when Aggramar doesn't move after his knockbacks

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 5:47 PM

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eyo

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:51 PM

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eyo

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 5:53 PM

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here here to the second.

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the first-- got video?

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lol

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Ugh, I should've been recording all of my PUG coven runs this Xpac

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every one always had at least one winner

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 5:56 PM

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There'll always be the next story anway 😃

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*anyway

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Like the Ret paladin who agrees to offtank Asara

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promptly runs over and starts DPSing Noura while everyone else is in the middle of their CDs

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 5:56 PM

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blinks That has-- undertones

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That's a "you had one job" moment

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Arms warrior who offtanks Asara, keeps charging over and leaping out to reapply rend "Cause multi DOT DPS"

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 5:58 PM

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mmos-- where you can be around thousands of people but feel like the only smart one in the room

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(not hardly, but it felt like the moment)

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Monk who agrees to taunt (I should have been specific) Asara, taunts, DPS's her and she ends up wandering around to the healers because "I thought you meant just on pull"

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:58 PM

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If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:59 PM

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^^^

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 5:59 PM

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(Or in laymans terms, uninstall?)

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 5:59 PM

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I never want to be the smartest person anywhere

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because that means I might actually have to be responsible

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Are you implying there's a kind of stupidity playing mmos?

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reups his sub

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Its not that more than 5% of the people on the internet are idiots

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its just that happens to be the 5% that draws the most attention

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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It just, its only the loud ones that people hear

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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yeah id rather be the average joe instead of the 2 extremes

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Idk have you seen the monk community?

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😬

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 6:00 PM

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what, its not peaceful and tranquil like?

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Not exactly the adjectives I would choose

craggy harness Jul 25, 2018, 6:01 PM

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reddit and 4chan like?

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are those adjectives yet?

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:01 PM

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im on their discord, but i've never hung out

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DK discord seems like the worse one though

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Paladin discord

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Hammer of "How does this make my Slutmog ass look"

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:02 PM

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in all fairness i love their pinned memes

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(dk discord)

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Memehold is a pretty nice place all things considered

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Then they wonder why ♿dins didn't get reworked

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:03 PM

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the most confusing one is DH because there's 2

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:03 PM

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I mean the obvious answer is they didn't have a champion of numbers like Archi

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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fel hammer and mardum

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ok so ill just join both

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Mardum is meh

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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hmm

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so fel hammer should be the one?

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Sometimes I sit and wonder

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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It's the original one but more heavily moderated and less active

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:04 PM

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What happened to Kanga

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And then I realize I should prolly not wonder that

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:05 PM

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🤔

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Balsaq being back brought back memeories

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:07 PM

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well to be fair Munkky is in mardum

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i have no idea what i'm talking about :p

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i remember kanga

halcyon shuttle Jul 25, 2018, 6:09 PM

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kanga

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zzz

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shits on everyone who isn't blueprint

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:11 PM

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iirc the problem is that everyone against any cookie cutter build usually has terrible math to back their decisions

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there's always an exception

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Napkin math

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:11 PM

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but usually that wasn't the case

halcyon shuttle Jul 25, 2018, 6:11 PM

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no i mean

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blueprint the pally

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the god

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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o

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i have no idea who that is

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obviously lol

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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paladins LUL

halcyon shuttle Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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tru

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Hue hue

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Seraphim tho

halcyon shuttle Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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NUT

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mfw gcd now

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and worse

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Cri

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:14 PM

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the only thing ill use my pally now is to heal

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because i love avenging crusader

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gcd and all

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:16 PM

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me, i just want to be a solid fucking tank, and able to be useful in 2s with the gf healing 😄 i'm not really tied to a class, but a good discord community makes life so much nicer, i've had the most luck here, druids, dks, and warlocks.

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priest has 3 discords for what it's worth 😄

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:16 PM

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jesus christ LOL

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three discords

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i abandoned my dwarfette priest in cata

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:17 PM

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one is disc specific

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:17 PM

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never touching that class again

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:18 PM

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i miss my priest at times

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:18 PM

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i only like to play all role classes, but only after warrior

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so pally, monk, druid

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its refreshing just to switch specs and do something different

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the only downside is usually bagspace

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:22 PM

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gf wants to heal on hpal, i want to be able to pvp (2s, etc.) with her, and do well in m+ keys, plus be able to fill-in tank/dps in a raid (up to heroic) if need be on occasion.

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(and have fun doing it! lol)

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:23 PM

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sounds like a plan

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:23 PM

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i love love love my DK, but i don't think i can make it bursty enough to do 2s with her healing well

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and warrior is a lot of fun so far

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because apparantly that's my job is to murderate one player stupid fast

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and then it will basically be a win

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Did somebody say napkins

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:24 PM

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😄

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:24 PM

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i prefer the soft moisturized facial tissue 😄

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:25 PM

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what about pocket square math tho

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:25 PM

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My napkins told me swing timer management was a waste of time well before it was officially determined by upper management

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:25 PM

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haha

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:25 PM

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keeping my quartz installed just because of nostalgia

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It makes me remember a time when Fury warriors used one weapon

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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I might be a crazy old basement-dweller who screeches about WeakAuras, but even a broken clock is right twice a day yaknow

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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and ARms were kept in the cage that was Arena like they should be

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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i'm sure it can make a difference, just not enough for the effort 😄

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:27 PM

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Yeah, the difference was you do less damage

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Lol

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But after taking a tier off I'm back to being a pleb. Disregard most of what I say and take the rest with a grain of salt

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I'm guildless and pretty much just here to help the prot community have a WA suite that isn't tantamount to optic nerve cancer

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Coming soon(tm)

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:31 PM

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i've been kinda working on Khakhan's, if you have something that looks better then i'm interested for sure

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:32 PM

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I dont right now, and I dont plan to re-release my old one

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I'm starting from scratch

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:33 PM

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cool

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oh khakhan updated it

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hmm

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I havent looked at what is on the market recently; when I unsubbed Khakhans was the only other option

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It just struck me as very cluttery

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I use a modded version of Munkkys

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:36 PM

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Which is why I made my own in the first place

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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my biggest gripe with khakhans is that its not symmetrical and i wish sb uptime was front and center

wanton sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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All this Prot Warrior crying on the forums is madness, and driving me crazy 🤯

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@wanton sentinel you can solve that by not going on the forums

wanton sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Extremely over-exaggerated.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:37 PM

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what are they crying about

wanton sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 6:38 PM

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_writes a chrome extension that hides all prot Warrior threads from the listings _

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Why stop at prot war

wanton sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Usual stuff. “Worst tank”, “IP is the worst and why ever use it”, etc.

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Just render a blank page, good idea.

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:40 PM

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The forums are a cesspool and the devs dont read them anyway

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Prot war sadly looks kinda meh still

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Stick to the discords

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:41 PM

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I don't see high end progression guilds using them any more than they did in legion

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Lord Sco strikes again

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🤦

dusky sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Meh. I hope they play another class

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:42 PM

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It has nothing to do with Sco

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I love my warrior, but I'm not blind.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:42 PM

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i like people like this, cause when you go into a group and fucking deliver people are swallowing your hilt about it

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just like they did when i flawlessly tanked KJ before quitting

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Note to self: Don't come to Skyhold discord and say anything negative about prot

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:43 PM

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its not anything negative about prot

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its paraphrasing Sco, that's the problem

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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What has improved for prot war in 8.0?

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We don't have to take dev as a talent?

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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blocking

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for once

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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pins

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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every tank got nerfed

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so whats your point

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:45 PM

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ALL HAIL PROT WAR

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:45 PM

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i feel like prot warrior (after dabbling in all 6) is gonna be the middle ground, just the soild reliable dependable tank

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:45 PM

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Middle ground for sure.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:45 PM

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here's the bottom line: blocking is strong as hell with warriors considering scaling

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and considering damage sources seem to be physical damage, that makes us storng

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:45 PM

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So torn between warrior and pally next xpac

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:46 PM

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obviously this all depends on whatever comes next

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as long as blizzard doesn't go back to magical shit, we have nothing to worry about

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well, to be fair, even if they did

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we have a toolkit to manage it like we did in legion

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but here's the statement that you made

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why does this matter to you?

📎 unknown.png

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are you in a top worldwide guild?

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:48 PM

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No, that doesn't matter if I am or not.

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Did I say I'm not going to play my prot war?

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:48 PM

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that wasn't my question

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Define “high end”

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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nor did i imply it

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Like bleeding edge (aka world first race)?

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Cutting edge?

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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ALL HAIL PROT WARS

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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you still haven't answered my question

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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So uhh, it took only 13 hours, but i purged Skynet out of my PC

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Listen, here's the thing. You'll have people coming here that aren't going to say wars are the best. Deal with it.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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like you?

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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If you can't deal with it, loosen tf up.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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that's fine

wide juniper Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Back to work for me.

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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but you still haven't answered

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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we aren't the best, but our toolkit is probably the most balanced to be able to step in and "just do it"

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Complete side step of the question lol

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:50 PM

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i mean, I want to show you how you're wrong. And maybe you can show me how I'm wrong.

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that's the point of a discussion

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I’m sure we’ll see prot warrior in plenty of cutting edge guilds

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Probably true that at the start you won’t see very many in bleeding edge guilds

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But it could all change in second raid tier etc. it’s all gonna depend on how well that block actually scales as well as everything else and other changes being made

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:52 PM

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We know how block scales..

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:52 PM

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i just think it's absolutely retarded, to judge a class on whether a guild that goes for world firsts ranks them, without taking into consideration their lineups and what not

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everyone wants to be FOTM

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if its not FOTM, it's "not doing well"

chilly brook Jul 25, 2018, 6:53 PM

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We don’t know how it’s going to scale past the first raid

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 6:53 PM

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i want to be "HAPPY FUN MURDER TIMES" for the whole expac 😄

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:53 PM

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0-O

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Block literally fucking scales the same as armor

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it uses the same table

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what we don't know 100% if the k value in the calculation will remain the same

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which will affect both armor and block

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Knowing that it scales like armor, we can solidly assume, because we should also know (somewhere) the budget for ilvl to armor

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Its entirely possible they will change the K value differently for block and armor

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 6:54 PM

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I love Discord. People are stupid.

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:54 PM

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it is Coso

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If block is too strong maybe they'll nerf it

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they have a lot of fine control in how they manage stats now

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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what did i miss?

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patch notes?

eager cairn Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Wow forums follow the herd mentality

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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i see a heated discussion

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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People still visit wow forums?

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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wait, where was the scaling thing

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i missed this

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 6:56 PM

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But when it comes to tank representation for the really high end guilds I still suspect it'll mostly be monks if nothing due to being a lot more reliable in DR

eager cairn Jul 25, 2018, 6:57 PM

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I just hope Prot Wars are good for M+

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 6:57 PM

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ofc any tuning patch can and probably will change any speculations about tank balance this early

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:57 PM

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see there it is right there

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define good for M+

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Prot warriors are amazing for M+

weak marsh Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Well... Some people might say: No selfheal -> bad m+ tank

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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They're not amazing for MDI

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logic that out

weak marsh Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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But I agree with Ikarikaze ^^

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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A lot of folks say, no self heal "garbage for M+"

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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i was hoping it came to "logs and representation show which are good for M+"

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Because they watch the MDI speedruns

eager cairn Jul 25, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Not good for M+ is clearing quickly and staying alive. At least that's what I meant since the meta is fast clear times

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 6:59 PM

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ok then we're on the same page here

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the logs thing was sarcasm btw

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Now scaredrabbit

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Warriors excell at the 2nd part

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but we're not The FLash

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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and do a shit ton of dps

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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that too

weak marsh Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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We should be far better in m+ than in raid content. Atleast thats my feeling

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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We're boss level tank in raids too

eager cairn Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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awesome - then I'm stoked!

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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how do we not bring as much

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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but we don't have mechanics cheese like paladin and monks

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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the biggest problem is Gorefiend's

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if that's what you mean

heavy chasm Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Any recommendations for warmode talents?

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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literally only thing we dont have is aoe grip

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:00 PM

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@ember arrow grats levko, hopefully this isnt an elaborate phishing attempt

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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🤔

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want me to link ticket?

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Actually folks arn't even looking at BDK for master tank for M+ right now

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its all monk

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Ring of peace

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all that jazz

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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hmm

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:01 PM

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monks are spiffy

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Please dont link ANYTHING haha

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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the lower range on grasp makes it less imactful

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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ye haha

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Jotdb just listed Blood Top

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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our DPS is absolutely absurd on beta right now, it actually needs a nerf

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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I mean its still amazing

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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true Ikarikaze

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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I think Sense

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that htey should leave our DPS where it is

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since we don't have Grasp

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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@grim prism still i think its an absurd thing to say

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/CSO9E7Y.gifv
https://puu.sh/B2lDk/3663dd0bb8.gif

Imgur

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exact same pull in exact same dungeon difficulty

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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Yeah sorry, i am a bullshitter

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:02 PM

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why would i use an account i had for years, built contactrs with, been in guilds with, met people from IRL

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use as phishing

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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he is 17ilvl more with 7 more neck traits

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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that war tho

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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but DH is king of tank dps

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im the top warr bar on bottom btw

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not the dps war

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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^

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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17 ilvl diff too

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Obviously it would be illicit bots, not you personally

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Avatar lasting 15 seconds with the TC talent is pretty nutty

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Avatar + UF + BV

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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obviously technically i sent it, but its not like it was my intent or my personal doing

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:03 PM

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HNGGGG level pack clearing

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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interesting Sense

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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But warriors are

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garbo for M+

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if you ask anyone

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cause we can't self heal for 7% of our HP like BDK

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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now imagine that with same ilvl and neck traits

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its ridic

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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what are the changes?

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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Discord has only been out 3 years so saying "using for years" is quite misleading lol

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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but nobody plays warr / plays with warr

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and jump on the bandwagon

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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u can talk to alot of people in 3 years

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😃

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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But we can self heal for 30% with VR if you manage a KB lolol

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:04 PM

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not misleading at all

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

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SHHHHHHHHHHH Balsaq

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they might hear you

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Warriors have no self healing in M+

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let it lie

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I mean yeah we have no self heals

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Our damage is crap too

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Dont play prot

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

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yea dude

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FeelsBadMan

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so bad

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@main vault plural of year is years, and 3 years is more than one, so its completely correct

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:05 PM

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lol

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Ok

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:06 PM

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But yeah that is an oversight a lot of folks have

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and chances are with how hard TC hits

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we're going to endup with a KB

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somewhere in there

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cause that azerite trait

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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With the threat changes having somewhat consistent high dps could be a big thing for m+ as well

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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does Venge has +magic dmg too though?

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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+5% yeah

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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hmm

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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But warriors bring 10% AP

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:07 PM

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right but then

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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In m+ neither VDH or Monk buffs are big

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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ok gotcha

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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new engi item that is a brez too, so thats not even huge deal anymore either

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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i thought they would be

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 7:08 PM

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If it was a party buff or something maybe

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But it'll only effect 1-2 people

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Unless they changed it scribes could do a slightly worse version of the class buffs

torn quartz Jul 25, 2018, 7:09 PM

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7% as opposed to 10

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 7:09 PM

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cool

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:11 PM

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So I just came back and I havent been following PTR at all

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But is there a basis for saying prot would be weak in M+ in the first place?

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Isnt like 90% of overall M+ damage usually blockable melees?

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:11 PM

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ya

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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bandwagon

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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how does DR feel in dungeons, on paper it sounds great! AOE Dmg + Rage Gen + Snare

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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thinking selfheal still matters

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Ah, the usual then. Lol

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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we arent weak, just not as strong due to selfheal

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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The self healing argument has always been a bit odd to me

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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thats about it

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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@arctic harbor snare is the biggest component there, all depends on how important that is

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:12 PM

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EHRPS matters a lot more

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:13 PM

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DK 30k dtps, doing 25k hps, 5k ehrps

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warr 3k ehrps

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but selfhealing is better

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???

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Makes perfect Sense

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:13 PM

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grasp > 2k ehrps tho

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Oh Sense

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don't start talking EHRPS

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it triggers folks

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when you compare other tanks

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using it

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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inb4 we catch the ehrps

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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xd

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

#

<

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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EHRPS is effective health reduction per second or what

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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External Healing Required Per Second

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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hm

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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basically how much attention does your healer have to pay

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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how hard you are to heal

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:14 PM

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yea

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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tbh EHRPS doesnt tell the whole picture either

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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ofc not

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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not the whole picture

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but it is a pretty solid guage on how "hard" your healer has to heal you

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Burst damage vs consistent damage like monks take is also something to take into consideration

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Yeah thats another thing that seems to have gotten way more prevalent since ive left

timid jay Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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But in this aspect when it comes to arguing self healing, looking at EHRPS makes a lot more sense

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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right

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:15 PM

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At least its not comparing heal parses anymore

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Warriors take less overall damage, but we have a lower health pool and can't self heal much

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:16 PM

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We also have buckets of personals for smoothing

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:16 PM

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^ this

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tons of utility

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Idk if thats just the universal tank paradigm now though

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Ive only played war since prepatch

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:17 PM

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not even just burst thought, dtps is hardly ever very consistent. and having a net gain on hps during low damage phases is worth considering

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:18 PM

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Bolster is so good

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I mean, from a healers perspective right?

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I am trying to understand where people are seeing prot as weak

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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misinformation mostly

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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is it only HPS?

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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N O S E L F H E A L

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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that's really all there is?

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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pretty much

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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like 80%

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90

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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dont forget Bandwagon

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:20 PM

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but no tanks can self sustain itself

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even with haste and leggos, dks cant do it in prepatch

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so not in bfa

#

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:21 PM

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yeah

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:24 PM

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they want tanks not to be gods anymore, i personally dont like it since i loved playing that way, but it makes sense and doesnt make tanks tank/healer hybrids

tender phoenix Jul 25, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Quick question is [Into the fray] lvl 15 talent more of a raiding talent?

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:24 PM

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its pty much always on

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allies, pets and enemiesproc it

earnest sand Jul 25, 2018, 7:25 PM

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They don't have to be grouped either

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Like.. it's on when I'm just sitting in Dal

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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if you can get like 3ish stacks its better than punish

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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i thought it was at 2?

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regardless its a significant benefit either way

earnest sand Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Probably depends on haste from gear right?

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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well depends on how good haste is for your own gear

tender phoenix Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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ok thank you 😃

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:26 PM

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and how much damage is blockable

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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isnt more haste > faster ability usage/shorter gcd

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more LS/SW

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and DS

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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yes

earnest sand Jul 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I meant for the where it's better than punish level - 2 or 3 stacks etc

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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ahh ok

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Haste = proportionally shorter globals and cooldowns

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So if your block lasts a fixed number of seconds, more haste means more uptimr

tender phoenix Jul 25, 2018, 7:28 PM

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ok is 21% haste good or can it be better?

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:29 PM

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can never have too little haste, although im not sure how the values of mastery/vers changed in bfa

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:30 PM

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from marok's guide, although in bfa things might be different

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tender phoenix Jul 25, 2018, 7:30 PM

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oh... thank you

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:32 PM

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eh. Seems unlikely that will change

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maybe if you get a sufficient amount of haste from gear, but with azerite having no secondaries I dont think so

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Wish they'd unnerf punish

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but I mean, I get it

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if it was 5% then ITF would only beat it with 5stack 100% uptime

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can't have "competing talents"

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not in this tree

ember arrow Jul 25, 2018, 7:34 PM

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they nerfed punish?

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:34 PM

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yeah, was 5% in beta

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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it was decidedly stronger

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did more damage and negated more

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I mean, they buffed Impending victory too

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Didn't do it much good

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but they did buff it

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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i dunno, i think punish competes with ITF well enough

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Yeah

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I might endup being my go to

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tbh

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so I can have that small QoL

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of not bothing with stacks

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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punish is good in those situations where that extra 3% lets you survive +1 argus scythes or whatnot

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Punish is good because it smooths damage

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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also good when you cant keep stacks on itf up

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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^

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not many situations in Uldir

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that will be an issue hto

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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i wonder how the haste matches up to the 20% SS damage

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in terms of dps

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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not much magic dmg in Uldir?

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:36 PM

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usually you are sitting on top of the other tank in uldir

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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you get a smaller gap on Shield block keladan

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so I'd think pretty well

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I mean, punish probably leads a bit ST damage

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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that and TC damage is arguably more important anyways because of UF.

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:37 PM

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yeah fully buffed TC is like 165% AP

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azerite traits and all

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:38 PM

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with the TC traits its insanely strong

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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TC does more damage than mortal strike while inside of Avatar and is AE, warriors are bad for M+

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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i honestly feel that the "omg prot sucks" crowd forgets that vanguard scales str -> armor

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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The omg prot sucks are because they keep reading these

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ranking guides

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:39 PM

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I think thats the least of their thought process and they forget a lot more than that.

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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like, my guildie just posted one and

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it was like Prot Paladin VDH and Monk are amazing and gave full paragraphs explaining why

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then they're like Guardian Druid and Prot warriors are bad

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Im back from vacation, what did i miss?

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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i wonder how many of these ranking people are ranking them based on current magic-heavy silliness 😄

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:40 PM

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No esssay explaing what thei ssues they faced was

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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way I see prot warrior: its good if you can play it well, therefore its "bad"

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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warriors are verys trong vs magic

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So like, it comes down to yeah, "I couldn't figure out how to cycle my CDs proactively, warriors are bad"

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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We are strong vs magic? 🤔

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Havent tested anything yey

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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burst aoe magic

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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yet

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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specifically

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Tank breaker magic mechanics yes

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every 25s we get to giggle off 40% + absorb magic damage

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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So, SR doing what SR usually does

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Demo shout + SR + IP

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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yep

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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nickle and dime magic hurts tho

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but big boss mechanics

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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and based on 2 days of upgrades (164 to 181) IP scales very nicely 😄

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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just have to remember its not as good against directly targeted spells (reflects one! then kills the buff, if its reflectable)

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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we can take a solid hit

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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If only that could save us from fire dog right now.

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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I guess there are some azerite traits for that extra 20% because my SR says it reduces 20%

arctic harbor Jul 25, 2018, 7:42 PM

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if it's non-targeted spell reflect decreases it, punish does as well and demo shout.... not to mention our big DRs

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Everyone is struggling on dogs tho Lala

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not just us

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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I know

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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I mean shit, HC the other night our monk was like LOL the warrior died!!!! so we swapped it up

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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That DoT ticks for like 45k at 7 stacks. zzz

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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and the monk was like NOPE you can tank nevermind

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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@vivid orchid in a raid environment there isnt really something reflectable casted a lot

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:43 PM

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no, that is true

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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unless there are waves of adds

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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sometimes there is I think, but not normally a boss thing

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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casting shadow bolt or something

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I mean, the legs

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I think the legs for doggos probably the way to go

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that extra SR charge

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probably lifesaver

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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did not save

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can confirm

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:44 PM

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RIP

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So they still 3-4 tank material this week?

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:45 PM

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they fixed one but not the other apparantly

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 7:45 PM

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the PUG I did just skipped em lastnight

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:45 PM

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I mean we 2 tanked and just used a battle rez once.

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heroic I can imagine living ok.

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Assuming healers arent asleep.

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Reading up, are we still strong in aoe dmg?

hot locust Jul 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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fuck yeah, bud.

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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absolutely

vocal nimbus Jul 25, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Feels like that single week we had before (or was it right after) nighthold

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When devastator went live, having revenge hit like a fucking truck

shut summit Jul 25, 2018, 7:53 PM

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single target is fine too

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in beta that is

candid vine Jul 25, 2018, 7:54 PM

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How much worse is devastator than booming voice? I kinda got used to not having to spam Devastate :p

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 7:55 PM

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a ton 😄

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 7:55 PM

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get used to it m8

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its not that bad

tender phoenix Jul 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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if u had the 2 set then u are used to spaming shield slam so switch them about or run a few M+ to get used to it

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 7:56 PM

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That 440% AP revenge :hnnng:

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Doing 80% as much damage as your top DPS through M+

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Balanced af

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Just started doing prot for our guild after being fury all of legion. So I have no reference of how strong/weak we are. But I did have a couple questions about SB and IP, can I assume that stacking SB and IP together is great for a big damage hit coming in?

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:07 PM

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that would be correct

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:07 PM

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And is anyone having issues where people are starting to pull threat off? It never got fully pulled, but I had to taunt a few times to make sure

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:08 PM

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depends on the situation

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if I have some flipper handed DH

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who blows his load the instant I engage

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yeah

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Was during a lust burn phase

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:08 PM

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I'll actually just stand there and let him get melted

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Depends on the gear levels

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But in general our ST damage is really solid

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so you shouldn't have issues

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we can stack so many CDs

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Yeah, I felt fine, was jsut unsure of some things with SB and IP

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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that we're one of the highest damage tanks

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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in the event you are having a problem and you must maintain threat, then throw out a taunt if a swap isnt coming up and use shield slam/tc

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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taunt + buffed SS

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or taunt + buffed TC rather

vivid orchid Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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shouldnt happen,. but thats an option

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I took the TC talent

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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best case

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 8:09 PM

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so nice

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spam that shit

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 8:17 PM

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SB is only going to be worth it if that big hit is block-able, if not, IP and/or other CDs will be better resources spent

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but stacking IP on top of SB in a mele heavy situation is not a bad idea ever (:

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(unless i'm missing something in the question that implied that)

dusky sentinel Jul 25, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Holy f u guys talk alot in an hour :p

stable bear Jul 25, 2018, 8:22 PM

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prot bzns is srs bzns

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 PM

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This is actually slow compared to when the game has real content

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 PM

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^

uneven mason Jul 25, 2018, 8:25 PM

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I think folks are not used to the general prot/fury/arms channels being this busy

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Because since January most of us had been down in the BFA sections

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or whenver they launched alpha

strong forum Jul 25, 2018, 8:26 PM

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makes sense

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 8:54 PM

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it picks up after every major content release

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it will be super busy when BFA comes out

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and especially when people hit max lvl

main vault Jul 25, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Tbf it'll only be super busy with the same questions over and over

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Once the first heroic parse gets posted it'll be all over

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 8:55 PM

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yup

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pins this will be handy

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 8:56 PM

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You will need to turn off push notifications

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If you havent already

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 8:56 PM

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i'm sure the whole warriors are trash thing will become more frequent as we get closer to BFA release

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people are looking for excuses for what to play

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and what to stop playing

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 8:57 PM

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"Play what you are good at"
"But im not good at anything"

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 8:57 PM

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lol

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Takes courage to admit that Balsaq

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I'm proud of u

lusty grotto Jul 25, 2018, 8:59 PM

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oof

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lol

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 9:00 PM

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I was great at getting orange heroic parses

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Doesnt matter how many wipes it took

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If i wanted to live i'd have played a druid

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/flex

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... please dont kick me i have no friends

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Orange heroic life is gr8

grim prism Jul 25, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Just chilling atop my pile of theory napkins

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 9:04 PM

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So many napkins

kind urchin Jul 25, 2018, 9:33 PM

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I upgraded to a notebook.

lost cave Jul 25, 2018, 9:43 PM

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wtf ilvl 210 1h weapon from WQ

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no shield

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 9:43 PM

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bamboozled

dull wagon Jul 25, 2018, 9:48 PM

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We'll probably see other pieces/items over the next couple of weeks

earnest sand Jul 25, 2018, 9:53 PM

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I was thinking about this, and sure it sucks for us and prot pallies, but there's a bunch of other specs that use 1H

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And the quest was up yesterday and today

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So you could reasonably have 2x 1H now if you're a frost DK or an enh shaman etc.

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But also there'll be a shield soon no doubt 😃

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 9:56 PM

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and another 2H hopefully 😄

earnest sand Jul 25, 2018, 9:56 PM

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Oh ya cos fury

somber dragon Jul 25, 2018, 9:58 PM

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i'm kinda stoked that both fury and prot love haste 😄

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helps be a lazy casual 😄

stuck oxide Jul 25, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Anyone have an idea for the azerite trait ranking

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:04 PM

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so dogs... what strats are you guys using for managing the dot? seen a couple suggest 4 tank strat?! Seems ridic

stuck oxide Jul 25, 2018, 10:05 PM

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it has been nerf

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should be ok now

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:05 PM

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have you tried it? I did it last night, at 5 stacks, shit was ticking for 27k

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 10:05 PM

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4 tanking works

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:06 PM

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ok. at least that confirms rumors...

Good on blizz for improving the game!@

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 10:06 PM

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We did it last night on heroic, was still a bitch

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 10:06 PM

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prepatch isnt supposed to be balanced

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 10:06 PM

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purple doggo does less damage

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Only 1 wipe because I was not aware it was mostly magic damage

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:07 PM

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did you 2 tank it infurious?

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 10:07 PM

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yeah, DK tank was on other

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still hit hard

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:07 PM

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so you were on purple?

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 10:07 PM

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he was mega geared back when we were doing mythic raiding

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yeah

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it's a harder fight than before

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but not impossible

steady cedar Jul 25, 2018, 10:08 PM

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no swaps?

rose summit Jul 25, 2018, 10:08 PM

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I used IP way more than SB

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nah

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just stack, the dot falls off over time

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after 5 or 6 stacks, I forget

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but it gets hairy

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I used bolster + last stand a lot

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for that extra hp

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and blocked all attacks when stacks were 4+

signal plover Jul 25, 2018, 10:40 PM

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U can also 3 tank with 3rd tank going back and forth between dogs

hollow kite Jul 25, 2018, 10:40 PM

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how much haste is a good amount to have passively now that into the fray is the thing pushing 50% haste now with the buff and about 45% mast

south yarrow Jul 25, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Is it against the rules to link a WeakAura that you made yourself?

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As in, self promotion I guess?

stark sage Jul 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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#ui-addons-manager

south yarrow Jul 25, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Ahh right, had that entire section collapsed

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Thanks 😄

fresh dragon Jul 25, 2018, 11:43 PM

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question for Officer/GM

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Blizzard removed the MASS INVITE in calendar

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is there a workaround?

weary notch Jul 26, 2018, 12:12 AM

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am I going insane, or have you never been able to heroic leap onto your current position?

little star Jul 26, 2018, 12:17 AM

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5yards minimum

weary notch Jul 26, 2018, 12:18 AM

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I've never noticed that in all this time - I guess it's because I don't PvP and I've never had a need. It sucks when you have warpath and a lot of people on top of you

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 12:37 AM

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it be like that quest out in them thar wastes with the robot thingy

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 12:44 AM

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skyhold

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 12:46 AM

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What does that meeeeaaann

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 12:46 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 12:48 AM

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button three when using the lightforged warframe in the dailies, never used the button one 😄

jaunty basalt Jul 26, 2018, 1:01 AM

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Is ignore pain cap like 140% of 1 IP or is there some annoying math behind it?

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 1:03 AM

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i think it's 130% of one now

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but it is based on what it would be at the time you cast it (so, AP buff tracking for the minmaxing i think?)

jaunty basalt Jul 26, 2018, 1:03 AM

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yeah my math was off

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 1:04 AM

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i think the pinned guide goes over it somewhere, at least that's where i think i read it

jaunty basalt Jul 26, 2018, 1:04 AM

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yeah really only concerned for WA stuff

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thanks though 😃

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 1:05 AM

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It's 1.3

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My phone didn't load the rest of the messages so I'm glad my late input was super helpful👀

ashen trellis Jul 26, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Hm, Has anyone seen Arms pvp talent spell reflect?

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Its better then prots

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reflects all spells

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not just 1

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Purchase a gnome slave to punt before every encounter to activate PvP talents 👌

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 1:41 AM

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yeah... but... it won't matter in pve content 😄

proven jackal Jul 26, 2018, 2:07 AM

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TC reset proc SS even without enemies or combat

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lol

fiery remnant Jul 26, 2018, 2:30 AM

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How much does ip stack?

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 2:37 AM

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1.3 times the original

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also stated in the pins

long plover Jul 26, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Hey all, I am new to warrior. At level 105 right now but i have always tanked, as paladin. How is warrior tanking?

dull wagon Jul 26, 2018, 2:50 AM

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Warrior tanking is focused around cooldown management/usage. Lots of different cooldowns, and using them optimally will give good results.

long plover Jul 26, 2018, 2:51 AM

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So, it is complex? How is compared to paladin tanking?

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I never see warrior tanks is why I ask.

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Plus i am interested.

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 2:53 AM

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i wouldn't say complex, but definitely still one of the most punishing tanks

long plover Jul 26, 2018, 2:54 AM

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So, not great then?

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Or harder per-say.

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 2:57 AM

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higher skill floor

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 2:57 AM

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it's definitely a fine tank for mythic progression

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 2:57 AM

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CDs are mostly proactive, so you have to know the timings on the encounters

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at least these are the things i'm catching moving over from bdk/protadin as a casual

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Is there a good valuation on leech right now? Have a 45 haste, 26 mastery vs 60 crit, 37 leech choice.

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:01 AM

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from my reading my gut is saying the haste/mastery will be better at smoothing/reducing damage than the leech/crit will be (parry/leech).

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Yeah, so hard for me to say exactly how useful the leech'd be. Probably one of those annoying situations where it depends on content/available healing.

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:03 AM

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i'd say with a healer, it's a dead win for the haste gear, leech maybe in pvp/soloing stuff?

dull wagon Jul 26, 2018, 3:04 AM

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I could see leech being valued more highly than for solo/pvp in M+ where you're getting a lot of AOE damage in on packs and such

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:04 AM

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Yeah, was thinking of M+ with the avatar ridiculousness.

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:05 AM

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i'm just not sure how much leech that actually works out to be is all >.<

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:05 AM

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about 3.7%

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:05 AM

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i can see that being non-insignificant in a big aoe situation with avatar/tc/rend spam

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err revenge

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:05 AM

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Yeah, probably...200-250 hps or so?

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:05 AM

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i'm spec-swapping toooooo much for funzies

supple path Jul 26, 2018, 3:06 AM

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Sounds like my current plan of "keep them both in inventory and stare at them in indecision" is what I'm sticking with!

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:06 AM

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i'm undergeared and switching to warr for bfa, so i'm not a numbers person yet, but the percentage seems decent.

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YES!

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#TeamBigBags

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 3:12 AM

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Leech as a stat on armor is almost never worth an ilevel drop not sacrificing better stats for

wicked phoenix Jul 26, 2018, 3:39 AM

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Wats the best talents for prot atm?

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 3:41 AM

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ze pinz, zey haz ze anzerz:
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide

Icy Veins

Protection Warrior Tank Guide (BfA 8.0.1)

This guide contains everything you need to know to be an excellent Protection Warrior in WoW BfA 8.0.1.

wicked phoenix Jul 26, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Forgot about that site

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Has anyone ever soloed SKorpyron as prot warrior? Is this possible?

hot locust Jul 26, 2018, 3:49 AM

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Prior to pre-patch yeah I did a bunch of NH and EN bosses.

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I think it's a lot less likely of a possibility now though.

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:11 AM

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I have 2 wipes so far. I wonder if I have to leave the adds apart and just spank the boss

merry cave Jul 26, 2018, 4:19 AM

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Yeah I did pre-8.0 I would think it's a lot lot worse now

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:23 AM

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Little shitty scorpions killing me almost instantly 😠

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:30 AM

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Hello 😃

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:33 AM

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I received today pieces of ilvl 210 gear but all with Crit and Vers. frrom WQs at Darkshore .On Icy veins is said equip it if ilvl is higher than the gear you have even when stats suck. But I won't sacrifice my haste

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Hey @topaz ridge

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:35 AM

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Hi

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 4:37 AM

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i played a bdk with 17-21% haste for most of legion due to shit gear drops, and tbh the higher ilvl is king rule applied there too, and it "worked" better, if not as "fluidly" in the rotation.

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Crit, Vers is nice option. You can not lose. Haste=Vers=Crit

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 4:37 AM

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plus, secondaries are going to be more scarce in bfa to begin with due to azerite gear lol

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so might as well get used to not having smexy super haste levels 😄

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(note: glad i didn't do much serious with all the artifact goodies for legion on my warrior, since i don't realize what i'm losing 😄 😄 😄 ignorance is definitely bliss)

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:38 AM

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8.01 warrior stats Haste=Vers=Crit>>Spec // Item Level is Best

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Trust Me

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 4:39 AM

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i'm not pushing, just looking to start leveling stronk 😄

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:41 AM

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@jade vigil even if all stats are only Crit and Vers?

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:42 AM

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Yes

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Trust me

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:42 AM

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shudder

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 4:42 AM

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hmmm

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:43 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/pegasiz

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My Gear Link. Im trying to be Crit/Vers

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:43 AM

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ok will equip the crap. I wonder where I will get my haste from back. Now I'm at 34 if I'm equipping this I'm down to 20

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 4:44 AM

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there's no requirement on haste

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:45 AM

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oh

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 4:45 AM

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it's just the best secondary stat per point then any other secondaries.

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 4:46 AM

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just out of curiosity, is there a "threshold" where a crit/vers piece will beat a haste/x piece (i.e. 5ilvls, 1ilvl?)

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or is it "ilvl all day every day as long as there is str on it"?

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:46 AM

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Yes

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 4:47 AM

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sweeeeet

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ezpz gearing

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😄

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 4:47 AM

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5 ilevel difference is negligible, use better stats. 10+ is always an upgrade

jade vigil Jul 26, 2018, 4:47 AM

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haste 30 up => Crit is Best

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haste 30 down => Haste is Best

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but, 8.01 iLv is Best

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If you Wan to Raise a DPS => Crit.

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If you Want to Raise a Defense => Vers.

topaz ridge Jul 26, 2018, 4:52 AM

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So even if I will go under 30 haste I equip it. Ok, let's see where this leads to

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 4:53 AM

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30% wasn't a thing in legion, ever and we don't have working sims for bfa variation to prove either way

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 5:02 AM

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it's probably just a "feely" thing like with bdk tbh

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there is a huge difference in the rotation above x (i forgot how much) haste in legion bdk, but in terms of being a good tank, ilvl was king as long as it had str.

final mist Jul 26, 2018, 5:31 AM

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We don't do feely around here.

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We aren't BDKs.

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I'm not even sure BDKs did feely shit - they were the same as we were, AFAIK.

glacial sage Jul 26, 2018, 5:33 AM

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I'm sorry, what does feely mean?

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 5:34 AM

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feelycrafting, where you feel like x is better than proven results because of personal opinions

glacial sage Jul 26, 2018, 5:34 AM

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kk

somber dragon Jul 26, 2018, 5:39 AM

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they didn't profess it, they just countered the people saying haste is better, by saying it is "feely" only 😄

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numerically ilvl was king in all regards, but it was impossible to deny that haste made it all feel so much better 😄

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realistically, haste was the best secondary until somewhere over 30% before boneshield buff, haste also made the rotation a lot smoother, but despite both of those, from a pure numbers game (and this was the gospel in the bdk channel for the entire expac) ilvl was king.

chilly brook Jul 26, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I mean haste was pretty big for blood DK

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Considering it actually reduced the recharge time of your runes

tiny sphinx Jul 26, 2018, 7:49 AM

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40%+ haste on bdk, can confirm enormous difference in pace of play both before and after prepatch

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 7:51 AM

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I mean, that's a given

junior igloo Jul 26, 2018, 7:59 AM

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I'd never sacrifice strength, stamina, armor and higher amount of secondary stats from item level for "better" secondaries.
(I'm not even that convinced about the stat priority in the first place, but either way it's close.)

tight tree Jul 26, 2018, 8:19 AM

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That is what Blizzard wanted, ilevel>all

tawny panther Jul 26, 2018, 8:21 AM

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True, they didn't want the whole oh great a 10 ilvl upgrade, bad stats. Binned.

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"want gear drops to feel exciting"

cosmic cargo Jul 26, 2018, 8:37 AM

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for tanks it was pretty much already ilvl > all tbh

old zephyr Jul 26, 2018, 9:30 AM

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mostly, but not 100%, pieces like rings , if I lost 5% haste for a bunch of crit for only 5 ilvl (rings had a LOT of secondaries) especially with AM and 2PC wich made BC spammable, i'd keep the haste, the little bit of HPs was not enough (at least for me) to ompensate for all the rage and damage loss.
but we mostly did overgeared HM so wistanding a big hit was almost never an issue

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 9:38 AM

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rings don't have str so 🤷

sick sentinel Jul 26, 2018, 9:51 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DCG06n9x_Y thoughts?

strong forum Jul 26, 2018, 10:12 AM

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I mean he's open about it

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Nothing wrong really

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Except for him liking the old bolster over the new one :D

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Oh so that was preach

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Didn't even know

main vault Jul 26, 2018, 10:20 AM

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I actually can't say too much about the video

old zephyr Jul 26, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Stupid question, does having more than 100% Block chance (via SB and or bolster) increase the critblock chance ?

main vault Jul 26, 2018, 10:27 AM

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No

cosmic cargo Jul 26, 2018, 10:43 AM

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SB did that in like cata i think

main vault Jul 26, 2018, 10:43 AM

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Yeah it's been awhile

cosmic cargo Jul 26, 2018, 10:43 AM

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so centuries ago

old zephyr Jul 26, 2018, 10:46 AM

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I thought so

main vault Jul 26, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Who?

cosmic cargo Jul 26, 2018, 10:47 AM

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^

little marsh Jul 26, 2018, 11:07 AM

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what legendaries are the best for prot warriors during 8.0 prepatch?

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oh wait in the icy veins guide there's a section about it sorry

mint hedge Jul 26, 2018, 11:27 AM

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only me that cant open the Ignore pain tracker link?

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nvm:^) worked now

jagged bay Jul 26, 2018, 11:29 AM

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HeyGuys

old zephyr Jul 26, 2018, 11:36 AM

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hey

fresh dragon Jul 26, 2018, 11:59 AM

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"Creatures throughout Antorus now deal 10% less damage."

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boss included?

winged marsh Jul 26, 2018, 12:05 PM

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pretty sure that refers to trash lol

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theres specific boss nerfs in those notes

junior igloo Jul 26, 2018, 12:06 PM

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I think it includes bosses as well

kind urchin Jul 26, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Was there anything about fire puppy?

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 12:08 PM

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Yep 65% nerf

kind urchin Jul 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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Sweet.

tawdry hazel Jul 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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75*

amber siren Jul 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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Smouldering damage reduced by 65%.

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Wowhead

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skyhold

main vault Jul 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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65%

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 12:09 PM

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https://puu.sh/B3d8B/a9e17bbe8b.png

astral crystal Jul 26, 2018, 12:12 PM

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do "creatures" involve bosses?

undone sun Jul 26, 2018, 12:13 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cosmic cargo Jul 26, 2018, 12:15 PM

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high command and portal keeper definitely deserved a nerf too on their raid damage

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if it does apply

astral crystal Jul 26, 2018, 12:21 PM

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is smouldering the dot also?

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i havent done dogs in months

signal plover Jul 26, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Ya

junior igloo Jul 26, 2018, 12:23 PM

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Yeah, Decay and Smoldering are the dots (Decay was nerfed in the previous hotfix)

signal plover Jul 26, 2018, 12:23 PM

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We 2 tanked it on heroic last night and just had to brez fire dog tank once

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Most of the instance on heroic isn't too bad now. We did it with a "anyone above 210 ilvl can come" 30 man grp for lols

uneven mason Jul 26, 2018, 1:05 PM

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what time did that hotfix go in

astral crystal Jul 26, 2018, 1:05 PM

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lol

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"just had toe brez ethe fire dog tank once"

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better than it being impossible i guess

uneven mason Jul 26, 2018, 1:05 PM

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It wasn't impossible you just had to have a pile of tanks to throw at them

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and taunt swap at 2 stacks

astral crystal Jul 26, 2018, 1:05 PM

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i just wish they'd have swept antorus with a 30% debuff across the board