they just fall over
#protection
uneven mason
So you need Tank A to take Tank Bs mob, and tank B to run over and get Tank Cs
tank C goes to get Tank A
static pilot
tbh if they haven't fixed them we'll probably just skip them this week
junior igloo
Dogs are fine, the only problem was the dot being overtuned and it has been nerfed by 75 %
uneven mason
cause it keeps ticking
KK thats what we were wondering Meiffert
if its "ok now" cause yeah it was totally the dot wrecking folks
junior igloo
Also,
a) you can swap while one of them is casting
b) you don't have to swap at all
😃
uneven mason
that too
Have you seen the coordination 90% Of guilds have tho with timing that
I mean, getting through Aggramar was hard enough, trying to explain that " the don't move while casting"
junior igloo
That's why we don't swap 😄
ember arrow
@static pilot singed is irrelevant
its the dot dps and healers get if they lift up
tanks never get it
so bliz fixed what wasnt a problem
junior igloo
Seems correct, we will see next week how it goes I guess
uneven mason
Well I mean, Levko, Singed was a problem, because it was one shotting healers if they didn't throw defensives up asap hehe
WHich may have been the issue we were seeing
Since healing is a finite pool
could be just tanks died because healers did
not that the tank damage wasn't crazy
ember arrow
well i mean
i thought tanks deaths were a problem
being mythic geared and having to 3-4 tanks a HC boss
static pilot
both were a problem
ember arrow
kinda seems problematic
uneven mason
It is
static pilot
the fire dog grip 1shot DPS and healers, that was an issue
and dog breaths were destroying tanks on 3-4 stacks, which was a separate issue
ember arrow
on mythic i attepted
static pilot
both were bad and in need of a fix
uneven mason
But, we got them to 7% the first pull with only 2 tanks
uneven mason
SO yeah thats an issue
static pilot
that's why I'm asking if anyone has experience with dogs for this week
ember arrow
i can go try now
static pilot
truth be told I cant figure out why they would release the prepatch with Antorus the way it is now
ember arrow
well only dogs and argus are problematic
static pilot
it's the one place you are guaranteed everyone will go to try out their new spec
torn quartz
dogs got nerfed hard
ember arrow
dogs because theyre 100% magic dmg and tanks lost alot of magic metigation
junior igloo
We 2-tanked it in the alt group where I tank on heroic, so I wouldn't say that full mythic geared players need 4 tanks, but the dots were ticking hard, I thought they were nerfed, thanks for the correction that it was singed rather than decay/smouldering
ember arrow
on warrior i needed to swap
strong forum
prepatch has always been the time were the game was fucked
ember arrow
dk could tank hc fine
static pilot
they nerfed a number of bosses I think, not just argus and dogs
torn quartz
argus was harder but still doable
junior igloo
swap because of what?
ember arrow
dot
strong forum
whats it matter really @static pilot
junior igloo
the dot expires while they cast every now and then
ember arrow
ye but till that time
static pilot
first impressions matter @strong forum If your first impression of your new spec is "it sucks balls, we wiped to content we've had on farm for six months straight" that's... an issue
ember arrow
was spooky
junior igloo
on HC?
ember arrow
yea
but i guess i also was inexp on warr then, since i played the bfa warr only first time then
so i was fucking around a bit
didnt have beta
junior igloo
I mean I did die to the dot, but it was because they got buffed by being too close.
Still, I definitely agree that it is overtuned for heroic, way harder hitting than the rest of the instance
junior igloo
Another thing that hits harder now is the aggramar Foe Breaker
strong forum
that is my honest opinion
static pilot
just annoyed by how people in the wow community always seem to fall back to insults
ember arrow
well nomeratur is right, antorus was farm content
returning it to progress
made u feel liek shit
static pilot
that's my argument, not his
ember arrow
and consequently made the specs fel like shit
static pilot
Kudaku: first impressions matter @strong forum If your first impression of your new spec is "it sucks balls, we wiped to content we've had on farm for six months straight" that's... an issue(edited)
Nomeratur: thats just the mindset of a stupid player 🤷
ember arrow
first impressions for people that know the background info dont matter
strong forum
yea but if you base your impression of a prepatch and then imply that your spec sucks because stuff isnt balanced
thats just stupid
static pilot
what Levko's saying
people that havent followed the beta or watched youtube videos (which truth be told is the majority of wow) but raid occasionally will log on and "go WTF happened?!? this class revamp blows!"
ember arrow
many peopel dont have that prespective "prepatch isnt representative of bfa"
they jsut say "lol warr sucks"
u see it in this discord
daily
strong forum
if you miss a prepatch event of wow... you must literally not play at all
junior igloo
I wouldn't call 2-3 pulls on harder bosses to get used to new timings with changed classes "returning to progress".
A couple abilities here and there not squished properly is an issue, but it's unrealistic to expect perfect transition. That's why it's happening a month before the expansion launches and nothing is really going on.
strong forum
you have to actively work against getting any information to not notice that something will change
static pilot
I dont expect perfection, I'm fully aware that prepatches are always janky
but you'd think they'd run through the current raid content at least once and go "huh... so... about those dogs"
steady slate
I've been tanking with my 240 warrior using my crit-based arms gear (because it's what I have). Ignore Pain on the GCD is tripping me up, but other than that it's been fine. I don't hate it.
strong forum
atleast thats my guess
uneven mason
The damage was tuned relative to values that the dogs had prior
strong forum
im not blizzard
uneven mason
What was not taken into accout was the loss of certain things that balanced against that DoT
ember arrow
^
uneven mason
stuff like, IP being massively inflated
uneven mason
SR being 60% Stronger than it currently is
ember arrow
SR
uneven mason
that sort of thing
strong forum
the stat sqiush and everything is a huge objective in itself, just reducing numbers wasnt enough aswell
you have to check literally everything in the game to check its not broken
static pilot
but again, if you ran literally any heroic geared raid through Antorus with the prepatch in effect you'd immediately notice that multiple fights were not on point
strong forum
not easily done
static pilot
again, we're not talking about literally everything in game
uneven mason
It worked for nearly everyone but for tanks, now the chance for the dot to fall off was always a non issue before
static pilot
we're talking about the only current raid
strong forum
which is also why we dont have a LVL squish yet
static pilot
I dont give a flying fuck if some random mob in Northrend is broken
uneven mason
we could soak 9+ stacks before even noticing it
static pilot
but I mean... it's dogs
strong forum
well thats you
but not blizzard
they have to look at everything, not just current content
static pilot
okay, but count up the number of people that log on on patch day
and go do Antorus hc
vs the people who log on to level
strong forum
less people do antorus i reckon
static pilot
obviously both should be checked into but one of these zones should be higher on the priority list than the other
okay, I give up
little star
a very small percent of players actually raid or do mythic+
strong forum
^
little star
i would say atleast 60% login to collect transmog/mounts and level alts
uneven mason
So like, there are a lot of guilds killing dogs with 2 tanks
BLizzard probably considers it to be a non issue
strong forum
a good friend of mine, played several months for 5-10hrs a day, and didnt see a raid nor did he play more than 8 dungeons
uneven mason
I'm also thinking that this next week, you'll see less folks 3tanking them
ember arrow
thursday
little star
gearswapping is elitist didnt you know
uneven mason
gearswapping was to reduce maths for balancing things
ember arrow
E S P O R T S
ember arrow
gearswap will have several consequences
less viable specs
less viable gear choices
avoidance/speed sets are worthless
no need to hope for any of those bonsu stats
uneven mason
right
so it reduces the "farm" window
lowers the wall
but
it also makes it so you don't see extremely competitive gameplay
I mean the folks who are gonna go MDI will go MDI
little star
they are lowering the skill ceiling for sure
uneven mason
removing the gear swapping just means, that the folks who were not doing heavy key pushing
still won't do heavy key pushing
but at least they can feel content
strong forum
4Head
uneven mason
that if they ever do
ember arrow
they cant climb
uneven mason
they won't ever need to worry about needing an avoidance set first
Its like when they made LFR mode raiding
ember arrow
i dont see issue with lfr
though
let people see story if they dont wanna pl;ay
the issue is when casuals start to decide our way of playing
not the fact they dont do the high content
strong forum
ruins the prestige imo
uneven mason
So like, LFR raiding, was so the folks who didn't want to raid, didn't have to, but could still see story bound content in raids
strong forum
LFR literally killed Dragon soul for me
uneven mason
So they could queue up into LFR and get carried by 5 or so raiders who were gearing alts
they still don't have to raid
but at least they can see the bosses now
ember arrow
lfr isnt bad by any means
as i said, the prob is when the casuals start to dictate
for others
strong forum
i saw dragon soul once, and was like... well thats the expac for me
uneven mason
I really liked Dragonsoul
until Spine
HC25 spine was an exercise in "Don't hit too hard, UNTIL WE REALLY NEED TO HIT HARD"
strong forum
back in TBC i had a prog guild friend who showed me illidan, it was an amazing feeling
junior igloo
I don't mind the change tbh.
Changing talents or gear mid-encounter is a bit weird.
uneven mason
Hunters who would break the stuns on the tentacles, and then forget to yank their pets back +++
little star
a dungeon isnt all one enounter though, its multiple quick succession encounters
strong forum
^
signal plover
Not according to blizz lmao
uneven mason
I think
uneven mason
its because in a raid
ember arrow
isnt it obvious
strong forum
Kappa
uneven mason
So, M+ has a timer
ember arrow
hymdall=big pull
junior igloo
That's a matter of perspective.
Mythic+ has a timer for the whole run, so in that sense it is
ember arrow
same thing
strong forum
i take a singular fight as an encounter
uneven mason
IMO they need to just have yo ube in combat the instant you enter the M+
strong forum
thats would explain it ikari
ember arrow
its completely arbitrary
uneven mason
Like, that would have just nipped it in the bud
little star
no to combat all the way through that would fuck the healers
junior igloo
It is arbitrary, of course
ember arrow
trolls op
ember arrow
confirmed
uneven mason
that's probably why they didn't
cause all the MDI woul go from Bloodelves to Trolls
cause 5% Regen
little star
i understand the reason they want m+ to be one big long enounter but when they add one shot mechanics like alot of legion bosses not being able to equip that absorb trinket or avoidance gear for that 1 boss lowers the cap on the key you can do
i havn't tried the beta so i can't comment on bfa dungeons
junior igloo
Also, I don't agree that gear swaps makes more classes viable.
Sure, a weaker class that has gear swaps available could catch up to a stronger class that doesn't, but when you allow the better class to swap as well, it only pushes further again.
uneven mason
I mean gear swaps were a large part dictated by on use trinkets (which no longer stack multiplicatively with damage boosts) and Legos
junior igloo
Not to mention that it will likely not be worse than 1 viable tank, which happened with swaps anyway 😃
sick sentinel
gear swaps kinda sucks but we dont have tier pieces + legos and no more crazy good on use trinkets it wont affect m+ that much
uneven mason
IMO make half the mobs in dungeons summon and Gorefiends only work on the DKs location
Seriously M+ needs Everquest level summoning
"You will not evade me chickenshit monk"
tawdry hazel
Someone can like à War prot streamer ?
little star
not many prot wars stream tbh
uneven mason
à?
little star
sometimes they post in #promotion
junior igloo
Not many played a warrior :feelsbadman:
little star
if they do i don't see them on the twitch page
uneven mason
I'd rather watch Archi's beard tho
stable bear
i've seen marok's stream a few times during their mythic mantorus times...outside of him i cant think of any prot strummers
i'm swapping back to warrior this xpac from brm/ww so will have some pleb status prot actions on my channel at some point
fierce juniper
i plan on using my warr for everything when i raid this friday instead of my monk
ember arrow
👏
sleek trail
Hey Guys! can anybody create me a makro for revenge procc only, That i can press it if only revenge procc is available? thx
uneven mason
you can't do if/else macros
haven't had that option since vanilla
you can make a weak aura which pops up when you have a Revenge proc
you can also write a weak aura that blocks your revenge button to be non visible at all unless you have a buff
sleek trail
i know about wa just wanna have a button for procc only
uneven mason
well that isn't an option heh
sleek trail
im so much into revenge spam that i cant handle it so far
uneven mason
Unsure how you get into revenge spam
uneven mason
Like I dance around not hitting revenge like crossing my back yard a week after being lazy about cleaning up after the dogs
ember arrow
thats specific
uneven mason
unless its glowing that button isn't even registered
Hitting non buffed revenge in todays non rage soaked world feels like stepping in a pile of great Dane shit
signal plover
Use a WA to track the buff and only hit the button when it lights up. That's your easiest solution
sleek trail
i played warrior last time in mop i guess and revenge dealt so much dps that i just smashed the button in m+
uneven mason
So like, hide the hotbar you put the ability on
sleek trail
challenge mode
uneven mason
make the WA
be your queue to press it
if no WA - don't press (you could also make it be like "above 90 rage as well)
sleek trail
enough practise will do i guess. I have an WA for it its just unusual for me thats it
uneven mason
yeah
or
put TC where revenge is right now
and pick a new spot for revenge
cause hitting TC is a lot better than hitting revenge
sleek trail
i will put it on a new spot! I was thinking about that opinion as well
sick sentinel
I did that as well. Swapped revenge and tc keys
wide juniper
Same. Revenge moved down my hotbars
uneven mason
Yeah it was a hard habit to break
after ABT
because one, you didn't worry about the rage cost ever
and two, with the 2p you never really had time to press revenge anyway
coral dew
Don't you still kinda need revenge for aoe tanking though?
uneven mason
Yes
didn't say remove it
just move it
so you're less likely to hit it
with UF during Avatar you won't have open GCDs to press Revenge generally unless you're pushing raw damage
during AE tanking its free for the most part, as well
wide juniper
Yes. That.
So much TC with avatar.
How often do you peoples use shockwave?
Just as an extra interrupt/aoe threat?
somber dragon
on cd in aoe packs unless i know i'll need it
wide juniper
Okay cool. That's kinda how I've been working it in again.
somber dragon
the stun is DR for a bit of a moment 😄
wide juniper
Came back a few weeks ago after playing some WoD and WotLK before that. I remember using it a ton in WotLK
somber dragon
bfa will be my first time maining a warrior (:
fresh dragon
holy sh*t. Moroes's Missiles OVERKILL me
and SR is useless there ç_ç
u guys have a solution?
uneven mason
you use it on the final tick?
so you don't eat the bonus damage?
cause if you don't use it on the last one, you'll eat it all
ember arrow
solution is communicate and have kick order
slate obsidian
is our specc currently simmable? my simcraft produces shit
uneven mason
what part of it?
slate obsidian
well, it doesn't use any abilities... except for avatar and intercept
grim prism
@slate obsidian the APL is still broken as far as I'm aware
slate obsidian
well, that's all I wanted to know, thanks^^
lament sky
Hey Guys im swapping around on different tanks atm and kinda leaning toward warrior currently. Does it look like we will have a solid place in BFA ?
slate obsidian
yeah, we got a decent number of sCoPoInTs
lament sky
wtf does that mean
slate obsidian
it's a meme about the terrible and unneccessary tank-rating system Sco threw on all the current Beta-tanks
uneven mason
"I rate Warriors - Last, because fucking shield wall is invisible"
But yeah, warriors are good and solid
its a proactive tank rather than reactive (like nearly every other tank)
slate obsidian
"I give Warriors 6/12 for their active mitigation as it has a low uptime because I forgot Bolster exists"
rustic flower
I love anger management but its synergy with a few other talents it’s crazy so I’m curious if it’ll stay.
rustic flower
But in legion we didn’t have bolster
uneven mason
it wouldn't take much TBH for them to buff HR and make it better
Bolster isn't really the issue tho is it
its the fact that outside of Bolster and AM our talent tree is a pile of burning garbage
and BV
rustic flower
True but it’s just extra. I love hitting last stand now with bolster.
rustic flower
Lol
uneven mason
So Warriors could be reduced to 3 talents with the rest wiped out
rustic flower
Last stand without the artifact pumping it up is so lackluster
uneven mason
and we wouldn't really notice much
signal plover
ITF isnt garbage anymore
signal plover
And the other two rows are meh flavor utility
uneven mason
its not miles ahead of Punish either
its a bit ahead of punish
in situations you can maintain at least 4 stacks 80% of the time
which is a lot
signal plover
Maximizing ITF could be somewhat engaging for positioning.
uneven mason
but, its not like if they nerfed ITF to 2% per stack we'd have a massive meltdown
we'd just use punish 90% of the time
we have an "option" on that tier
if they shit on Bolster
or AM
or BV
wrekt
signal plover
Ya but I mean the fact that they're close and the fact that punish would be a better choice for a magic heavy fight means that row has meaning beyond garbage tier.
uneven mason
^
that was my point overall I guess
I mean I could say UF is solid
because it is
but I can at least see DR having a USE
situationally
signal plover
So you're saying more choice on talent rows?
uneven mason
yeah it'd be nice
signal plover
It would
uneven mason
if Indom and NS competed with Bolster
and not because they nerf bolster
into the floor, but rather bring Idom and NS Up to Bolster tier
signal plover
NS is such a joke lol
uneven mason
"This talent has been hot garbage for 2 expansions, what should we do with it - MAKE THE ABILITY IT AFFECTS WORSE AND LEAVE IT AS IS" Sounds legit boss
ALthough lets be honest
if NS was "Removes the GCD from IP"
you'd be allover that Paw
uneven mason
It actually doesn't even feel akward to press IP on the GCD anymore tho
strong forum
na, if i need to play defensive i will use IP
however it feels nice to not be forced to use IP
uneven mason
I just have a WA telling me whne I have 70 rage and IP is below 30% or if I have 55 rage and IP has fallen 100% off.
although the 30% Tracking one
still a bit wonky
like the server doesn't quite know
strong forum
well its hard to calc isnt it?
uneven mason
yeah
strong forum
cant just say below 3k absorb = glow or w/e
strong forum
im using marok's
strong forum
the basic icon one, not bar
uneven mason
yeah but you should "know" your range on IP
dusk locust
with colors indicating whether you'll overcap and such
strong forum
well i do know my range, 10.6k is max for me
sick sentinel
I just got a 265 Nerubian husk from my box
strong forum
ah so weekly chest still gives loot
sick sentinel
Yeah- it seems pretty good now that armor is better?
grim prism
The problem is that WA allows for absorbAmount as a variable but it isn't baked in to the standard options
So just making a "how much IP do I have left" bar becomes a fucking chore
wide juniper
Afenar has one as a bar
grim prism
Yeah, there are several out there. I published a WA suite in 7.1 and 7.2 that showed it as a progress bar
It just requires a bit more legwork than picking some things from a dropdown
And when they change the factors that IP scales from, or what determines it max amount, or pretty much anything about the way IP functions, it's fairly likely to break any WA that was created before that change
.. which includes pretty much everything that was released prior to pre-patch
wide juniper
Yeah, the updated bar one is ideal for me.
It's easier to see and understand during a fight
signal plover
@uneven mason sadly I can alrdy feel myself getting used to the GCD change and if I start to hate it I go play fury for a bit
Also not rly playing much til BFA
junior ivy
hey guys g uess how many addons i have now?
strong forum
157
junior ivy
nope
wide juniper
too many like everyone
strong forum
thats almost not much
wide juniper
Give me my medal.
junior ivy
its way better than 156
half rapids
I helped
junior ivy
yes you did lol
strong forum
if you dont count multiple plugins from 1 overall addon im on like 10
dusk locust
when prepatch dropped i reformatted and really evaluated what addons i actually needed before installing them again
winged kindle
guys i just saw the tank ranking by sco of 3 days ago... what do you think about that ?, in your opinion is warrior below almost every other tanks ?
junior ivy
warrior is fine
winged kindle
i mean...will it be in bfa
strong forum
the video is not to be trusted in regards of warrior
ember arrow
110k dmg
junior ivy
i had 156 yesterday
winged kindle
@junior ivy dont know... i just came back after a long freeze, and almost everyone is talking bad about the ip change , plus the other changes, many people are noticing it as a big nerf
astral crystal
remember to consider these changes in context
every tank had nerfs applied to them
strong forum
most people have a misconception about prot warri currently because streamers downtalk them alot
astral crystal
and perhaps not think of them as nerfs but new contexts insofar as gameplay going into a new expansion
winged kindle
yeah, but war has 0 self sustain...and every other tanks has
strong forum
we dont get hit hard in the 1st place
strong forum
so we dont have to heal
astral crystal
man i wish we had something like guard though, that shit LIT
strong forum
to put it simply, the damage other tanks heal, we midigate from the get go
winged kindle
no no no, just saying, that its true that war is the only one who has magic mitigation, but its true to that war is the only one with 0 self sustain... just arguing xD
signal plover
Then u have to understand the counterargument
strong forum
^
winged kindle
nope, i got it, the point its that is just a numbers stuff i think.... if we mitigate more than some other class can self heal, is worth... if not... no
signal plover
Since you brought up the sco vid, I would argue that he greatly underscored our mitigation rating because of the "uptime gaps" in our AM. With proper bolster useage and against blockable dmg, I would say we are much higher than whatever it was he gave us
winged kindle
but its pretty impossible to know until live and new content come
signal plover
Considering ppl have been playing beta for awhile it IS possible to know
signal plover
Warrior has some weaknesses and lack of self sustain is one, but I don't think that alone is enough for ppl to say we're one of the worst tanks. In my experience, well played warriors are very strong in their current iteration.
uneven mason
I mean, the fact that Last stand can crit heal us for 30% of our health every minute or so is pretty solid, but its certainly not a self sustain, I mean, none of the tanks are really keeping themselves alive sans healer
strong forum
sans
uneven mason
This is the warrior discord, we're cultured
lapis gazelle
wide juniper
The cancer of fonts.
uneven mason
Comic sans, the font without humor
wide juniper
Design profesh here. In college there were a couple students that....just shouldn't have been there. Comic sans was the first sign.
uneven mason
Did they at least grasp the differences when you should use serif fonts and sans serif fonts?
I mean
wide juniper
They didn't last long enough.
uneven mason
Yeah, having to proof read Mythology papers from folks who liked stuff like, Century Gothic, because it was "artistic" same sort of person that regurgitates Sco's rankings on the warrior discord I think.
signal plover
Boom roasted
broken kite
🤙
grim prism
A path is not available to respond to your question.
strong forum
what exactly is broken about it
9/10 its got nothing to do with the leap itself but very bad surfaces
or rather poorly modelled surfaces
fresh dragon
A path is not available to respond to your question.
for example
on
Portal keeper
u CANNOT LEAP
no path available everywhere
undone sun
Pretty sure that's just an issue with the instance platforms, since prepatch placements and charges have been fucked
signal plover
Or it's due to the fact that repeated casts of Collapsing World have perpetuated a black hole whose gravity prevents you from leaping
Either one prolly
grim prism
So flavorful
signal plover
50/50 as they say
grim prism
I'm gonna go with "working as intended"
signal plover
Maybe portal keeper is the real daughter of the sea
sour wigeon
does the tc demo shout trait stack?
ember arrow
i see many dungeons bosses have some sort of autoattack buff/phys dmg taken on tan kdebuff
looks good for us
@sour wigeon yes
sour wigeon
i just heard it did, but people were also saying that it doesn't in here
shut summit
demo shout extending doesnt stack, tclap damage done does
bugged right now so every tclap is 2sec extending instead of 1sec stated on tooltip
wide juniper
PepeHands
grim prism
Is the ability bugged, or did they botch the tooltip 
ember arrow
it works 100% of the time 50% of the time
wide juniper
Hopefully the tooltip.
heady beacon
Noticed also some problems with leap indeed, think its the terrain
grim prism
Anyone wanna place bets on it going unchanged through 8.1?
wide juniper
All day
grim prism
Pretty sure Kanga still owes me a pizza
undone sun
lol good luck with that
stark sage
isnt that like 30 less than before
junior ivy
i had 156 yesterday
stark sage
🤢
junior ivy
its great progress!
wide juniper
lol
stark sage
makes me want to play with the default ui just to balance the universe
junior ivy
half my weakauras are gone too
undone sun
nice
empty nacelle
i mean
why not use the default ui at first
then see what is absolutely essential
kind of like how they put everything on the gcd
lul
junior ivy
i started out using default ui in burning crusade
astral crystal
hissss default hissssss
junior ivy
then i discovered addons
it all started with a little addon caleld quest helper back in BC
astral crystal
granted not all of them are on
there's a bunch i just deactivated and never deleted
empty nacelle
quest helper was a game changer back then
prisma crane
@stark sage i play with default, makes patch days nearly stress free
junior ivy
krotos youre crazy
junior ivy
i respect it though
prisma crane
skada/details
junior ivy
but i could never d oit
prisma crane
and um
threat plates
and WA
that's like 90% of my addons
ever since they updated the raid frames with default UI i've really liked it
i just want them to update portrait frames and it'd be perfect
tranquil sand
Great new guys, RSA, the addon that adds quotes to spells, now supports multiple quotes for each spell (it selects 1 at random) so you can have a large selection of rp taunts!
prisma crane
but it's nice when things just work and i dont have to fix things over and over again
prisma crane
@tranquil sand "c'mere boy!"
lol i got on and barely anything changed
i had to update meter and DBM and WA
did it manually
tranquil sand
I'm more the "Your mother was a horse lover" guy
junior ivy
lol titania logged on to his account on my pc, with my addons
it was such a big mess
had to disable soo much stuff
i have mine customized but in their default states they are so messy
hey why are there all different realms in dalaran?
and not just sargeras?
prisma crane
i saw a lot of mal'ganis
uncut juniper
So whats up in the us? Darkshore WQ Items only have ilvl 190?
prisma crane
yea i'd assume they worked like in Legion and scale with your ilvl, up to a point
uncut juniper
if this point is 210 then its not much :(
wide juniper
210 is an awesome upgrade for me. LUL
shut summit
it does
ember arrow
one small "issue" with bolster for me
save LS for oh shit moments
or use it as SB extender
hot locust
ember arrow
when tanking trash most likely the latter
undone sun
it doesn't count as AM though
though idk if am checks are even a thing in bfa
so it likely wont even matter
shut summit
nothing ive seen yet
wet rover
Hey guys, am I dumb or why can't I find the spell avatar even if there are talents enhancing that spell?
jade socket
I believe you have to respec to fury/arms and spec back to fix that
vocal nimbus
^
plain ice
lofty drum
What legendaries do you guys recoomend for tanking M+ now? 😃 (for survival)
prisma crane
it's something, but not the same as before
broken kite
Yee
prisma crane
belt is nutty with how short DS is already
broken kite
Yeah
prisma crane
i havent been on much, but i see ppl talking about gloves and AHR as well
AHR for the extra CD to fill gaps
solid bronze
Just came back after a few months away, looking at the pre patch changes
It feels that we got nerfed into the ground
Oo
molten radish
Yeah we suck
dusky sentinel
Everyone got nerfed tho. Its pre-patch. But we good. Dont let anyone tell u different
glacial sage
@ember arrow What?
prisma crane
wonder if he got hacked or some shit?
cinder pasture
Probably something like that yea
undone sun
hmmm
supple path
Man, fire dog is still crazy - am I missing a mechanic, or does it just still do unhealable damage?
round hornet
Just 4 tank it tbh
prisma crane
they nerfed it like mad right?
neat compass
Hey, best pvp talents for pexing ?
astral crystal
yo what's the beta update monkaS
glacial sage
Anyone else get a message from levko that tried to take my blizz account?
undone sun
lol, people have been getting messaged by him using an scr file
he does seem to have been hacked and is no longer present in this server
as long as you didn't run the file sent it shouldn't be an issue
broken kite
Yikes
But yeah dogs tank abilities didn't get nerfed, just the 🔥 shit that spawns everywhere I think @supple path
supple path
Yeah looked at it more and 80% of my damage taken was the dot, crazy.
Can probably get away with 3 tanking, the fire dot was doing 4x the shadow.
broken kite
We three tanked it
weary notch
did they fix mythic puppers? Heroic fire pupper is NOT fixed
heroic shadow pupper was a GOODBOYE
amber siren
Not even popular enough to phished by hacked levko pepehands
glacial sage
I think it was sent to you if you had messaged him
supple path
Yeah three tanked it and was pretty trivial.
robust urchin
"I think paladin has the highest skill cap of any tank in the game, and I expect the good ones to really shine in heavy damage situations."
You heard it here first fellas
slow cedar
is the character sheet tooltip for block wrong? Mine is showing "Blocking reduces damage of an attack by 1112.00%" but that can't be right, that seems way too high and i'm still taking damage from blocked attacks.
I'm assuming that's my block value and not the actual % of damage reduced
half jewel
Anyone having issues with stupid dog tank debuff still?
Cuz I am getting rekt by the dot on the fire dog
slow cedar
spell reflect and ignore pain aren't cutting it?
half jewel
nope, doing heroic and 241 ilvl with bracers isnt doing shit. After SW and LS are down I am at the mercy of healers cast times
amber siren
They haven't changed the dog damage, you'll most likely need to 3 tank it
half jewel
wasnt sure if that was still the case, thanks
astral crystal
there was a small patch just now
for both live and beta
anyone have any idea what they are?
gray moon
proper scroll
Hey guys quick question - Do Prot Warriors still generate rage when they take damage/meleed? I know it got taken off the tooltip of defensive stance in beta but wasnt sure if it got put back in somewhere else in the kit
proper scroll
Ok - and is it in a passive tooltip somewhere or just baked in somewhere in a hidden aura?
final mist
It's hidden.
merry cave
Sometimes it surprises me that they (Devs) think people don't want to know how that works and are happy to just have it done for them
weary notch
I think the right word is "frightens"
broken kite
strong dislike
amber siren
wowhead patch notes only has shatug's damage nerfed? I thought both dogs were overtuned
undone sun
link notes
amber siren
I think you can skip it after the first toon but I haven't done the first part of the chain yet
amber siren
My guess is that it's an error on wowheads side and that both dogs are fixed
But I mean
Who knows
weary notch
no, dogs are not fixed. Shadow dog is fixed. Fire dog is a bad boy
thorny plume
That explains EVERYTHING
I was just about to ask because I was tanking Fire dog and kept getting popped
weary notch
We actually had the pally swap to the fire pupper and he had to bubble to survive. And still died at the end
this was heroic - don't try that on mythic
thorny plume
Also, do you guys enjoy they took away our self healing??
weary notch
we had self healing?
slow cedar
if you weren't topping heal charts, you weren't doin it right
undone sun
i mean, ip is not self healing... just so happens that absorbs are counted on healing meters
inspiring didn't self heal and was a huge pad
thorny plume
I mean I just feel like I had 100x more sustain than I do now
Plus before prepatch I was toppinnnnnnnnggg
amber siren
All tanks are designed to be more reliant on healers than before, some classes like DK/DH have more self-healing for example but we have better cooldowns
weary notch
we're also prettier
arctic sedge
gonna miss ignore pain + bracers = proper healing, where we could flip off the healers
just gotta get used to what it is now
merry cave
Cloak enchantments from Warlords of Draenor can now only be applied to items with an item level of 151 or lower.
🤦 🤦
How are those enchants only being looked at in prepatch
merry cave
I've been using it for a long time, why bother nerfing now lol
vivid orchid
gottagoslow
undone sun
likely wasn't an issue till the squish ¯_(ツ)_/¯
neat harbor
Im having problems feeling confident warrior tanking now
I just feel like I cant control when I wont have uptime on mitigation
Ive been staggering shield block with IP to try and make it more steady
but even then it feels off
especially if youre IP gets taken off quickly by a heavy hitter spell, and shield block has like 3 or 4 seconds left on its cooldown
those moments just feel fucking terrible
amber siren
You shouldn't be having any issues right now with how quick DS is available
neat harbor
how are you guys dealing with new prot in general? for isntance not against one particular heavy hitting spell, but maintaining consistent damage smoothing
demo shout is nice, I just feel like its a bandaid
and doesnt solve the consistency issues
ionic fern
Idk, i've been mostly doing m+..no serious dmg intake problems except from one particular heavy hitting spells.:D
Can't talk about raids.
You just have so much rage right now with the DS+BV+Waist .
And you can keep DS up 100% of the time in a big enoug pack.
neat harbor
yah Im tanking without the legos as well so Im sure it skews my perspective a bit
just have a set with a good amount of vers
I suppose the azerite traits will affect it quite a bit as well
curious as to anyones thoughts who have played beta at 120
compared to the prepatch playstyle
fiery remnant
what ilvl do i need to be for a +15
fierce skiff
My god every video make out there is hating on Prot so much...
main vault
Well there hasn't been a quality video put out so far so that's ok
ionic fern
@fiery remnant atm you can be quite low..i've been doing +18's at like 225
merry cave
If you'd like I'll make a video of some protection warriors dancing with the leggo mvoie song everything is awesome added. It's probably about as factually accurate as sco's video
ionic fern
Dont forget to rank warrior the lowest at the end of the video tho.
merry cave
Good point
robust hare
just did a 20 DHT, seemed like a nightmare with grevious
subtle fable
what part specifically?
merry cave
Second and third bosses can be a dick with greivoua but it's only fort
robust hare
bosses weren't that bad, big trash packs seemed to be the problem
had 4 seconds left on timer lol
prime mural
Hi
I tried prot in bg and.. it look really good. My weapon is ilvl 152 so my damage suck
Anyone tried ?
main vault
cold pier
Being playing some prot on beta @round mason0 with entry-mid level epics and its not exactly great
some weird frustrating gaps
prime kernel
245 feil-oiled infernal machine :_: rip
strong forum
Didn't do any proper 120 content on beta, only did some heroics and WQ stuff
cosmic cargo
fel-oiled isn't bad, far from it
just there happens to be a lot of trinkets that are broken on pre-patch
prime kernel
indeed ;D im QQing cuz i wanted it so badly for the whole expansion and now when i have my prepatch broken stuff , its no match for them
sweet kettle
Cringe worthy
ornate sky
so how is prot for leveling with that crazy demo shout 15s cd /w bolster+pvp and shield bash?
wanton sentinel
Agree with Morg. It’s “OK” but not amazing on beta. Fury is nuts, and super fun.
cosmic cargo
that'll probably be slower than solo
cosmic cargo
apparently he got hacked and was sending malware so got banned
(just searched levko on this server)
white adder
Does the longer recharge on shield block feel bad for anyone else in raids right now? Mythic aggramar was such a pain to go through yesterday felt like sometimes I just had to take extra damage so that I’d have charges and rage for an incoming combo
I feel like I only survived the fight because of all the extra absorb 4p t21 gave me
undone sun
agg is definitely a challenge, caused a few wipes last night adjusting to the new ability timings
white adder
Even though a lot of the wipes were mostly caused by the new ways to handles the adds and different ccs reacting differently it just felt that I didnt have an answer to some of the questions agg was asking and ended up just hoping for a block on some strikes like 4-5 times in the kill pull and I dont know if thats something I want to keep hoping for pushing for mythics in the first few months of bfa might have to go for pal or monk for prog
white adder
I know I shouldn’t but it just feels more unreliable than it should and unless theres a trait to reduce the cd on shield block that I missed I don’t see how this feeling is gonna change
signal plover
Agg is pretty unique tho since he's always hitting you even when you're not holding threat. Against a boss like that, our AM uptime issues will be highlighted
white adder
Definately
signal plover
I just don't think it's something to stress too much over atm
There's probably gonna be a couple bosses in BFA that warriors get absolutely trucked on
But that's how it always is
white adder
Any boss with a bleed as always 😛
signal plover
I think Ghuun does both physical and magic Dmg or some shit like that so that'll be fun
chrome harbor
we're also fighting a lot of old gods and naga, so expect tentacles and abberations
white adder
Like my plan for BFA is go get 3-4 of my tanks to 340-350 ilvl before raid week which would be warrior pal dh and monk
And from there see how each feel during heroic week going into mythic the week after
signal plover
I'ma just keep a back pocket monk
But I'm not racing for anything with my guilds progression speeds.
ashen trellis
I persoanlly didnt have many issues on Agg.
white adder
What did you use Acog? Talents/ trinkets
main vault
While you can't get 💯 on SBlock uptime you can get 100 on mitigation
So it helps in the gaps
Pally isn't really any better though
white adder
3 charges of sotr and a faster recharge feels more consistent to me at least nexii
Yeah I ended up doing that too acog
main vault
But 4.5 sec uptime
white adder
Not as often as warrior indeed
Which is why I’m still leveling my warrior to test it out more at 120
white adder
Yup
white adder
Thats mostly the range I’ll be at for the first week of mythic
So thats the range I’m going with
If I get higher then good
I’m not counting on tfs in my gearing of 4 characters in the first month
cosmic cargo
that's the range you'll probably be first week of hc actually
ashen trellis
Also btw. if anyone plans on doing imonar. Prepare you ass with lube. He fucking hits way harder now and with no magic reduc its nutty. Harder then argus lol
cosmic cargo
a little over 340
white adder
We’ll definately have a 2nd heroic clear before going into mythic but yeah we’ll have to see how rngesus will bless my drops
main vault
Oh I was talking about from dungeons and etc lol
uneven mason
😕 Acog why does magic reduc matter for imonar?
Dude hits for physical damage on tanks
Its the other folks in the raid that get the fun nature damage cleaves
white adder
The damage that hits random targets from tank debuff is magic so if you get hit while tanking him it might hit you inadvertently
cosmic cargo
bridges
white adder
Green bombs that you clear on bridge I don’t even want to think about
Thank god we’re only doing garothi -> agg -> argus now for mounts
uneven mason
People being bad on bridges tho, not a uh tank problem, thats a general intelligence issue.
cosmic cargo
he specifically meant mythic
uneven mason
I know
Its a process, but its not like its random gouts of damage
no worse than before
Its not even overtuned like doggos
uneven mason
I suppose the point could be made that Imonar was always overtuned
cause he was one of the first walls folks tended to hit
white adder
Losing that IP protoss shield feeling is something to get used to for sure haha
heady bramble
hey all, I don't play prot at all but I've been messing around with it.. I have a problem.. I can't stay alive against the tanking sparring partners
I did the tanking mage tower before pre-patch
and it was easy to sustain against the sparring partners
not sure if I'm doing any thing wrong or the pre-patch has made it much harder
uneven mason
Warriors no longer have a way to completely negate damage (either do other tanks) So prior to the patch you could have 90% absorb up with some recovery in there, now, you have a lot of armor, but only a 50% absorb, so no matter what you'll take a portion of the damage.
Tanks are healer reliant in 8.0
and it is likely to stay that way as nearly all tanks are now built so they cannot become self sufficient, at least not any where close to the level we were prior to the patch
solid bronze
No more DK/Paladin/DH soloing dungeons?
heady bramble
ok thanks, I thought I was missing some key ability or pressing the wrong buttons 💩
uneven mason
That is the theory
I think right now VDH and Paladins might still be able to do it with the right legos
solid bronze
So, what happened to devastator?
uneven mason
They removed the rage generation of it, reduced the SnB proc %
solid bronze
Wat?
solid bronze
Bleh
solid bronze
I liked not spamming a button like a mechanic woopecker :/
uneven mason
so the argument could be made that Devastator was never that super great
just Indom and NS have always been hot garbage
You don't hit devastate that much
Like
with UF BV and AM I hardly find time to press Devastate
generally those GCDs are filled with free Revenges
uneven mason
Its a shift for sure
cosmic cargo
i would put a tiny exception to this
in the pre-patch with gloves
it's still quite good for dps
uneven mason
But still a heavy loss in the rage generation arena
cosmic cargo
but take away gloves and yes it's bad
cosmic cargo
no
cosmic cargo
it's a big dps gain
uneven mason
Devastator
cosmic cargo
check logs
uneven mason
BV right now with belt is basically a 100% uptime 15% Damage buff
you're staying that a 20% buff to TC every few seconds trumps a 100% uptime 15% damage buff?
Yes
but you can't have Devastator and Booming Voice
tender imp
logs show devastator higher
cosmic cargo
gloves are superior for dps
tender imp
idk
cosmic cargo
considerably so
and it's not just SS
during avatar you're a god with gloves
again
signal plover
Irrelevant discussion for BFA but yeah gloves still performing strong (in DPS) with devastator
uneven mason
These logs showing, are there apples to apples, I mean, its a DPS gain when you spec into devastator, but are the apples folks actually pressing devastate over Revenge? Or are they ignoring that portion of the test?
Because math wise 20% to two abilities doesn't mesh vs 15% all abilities + 20% to the same two abilities a bit less.
cosmic cargo
it's not just that
tender imp
they use revenge a lot more as well
cosmic cargo
you still got more SS
and more revenge
with devastator build
so you can't just look at the flat % increases
and devastor itself
doesn't do that little damage
uneven mason
You don't really get more SS, since, we've done the math on this one, the SNB procs provided by devastator clip into a SnB provided by Revenge, or TC more often than it does not.