at LEAST 24
#protection
slate obsidian
ah, that's a shame, how many did we get? couldn't really watch the video cause I puked on my screen
slate obsidian
nah, I doubt it, he propably gave us like 3
kind urchin
Guess we're not able to do 24's... Oh wait... That one guy did 27's. Guess someone was slightly off on their calculations of how stronk warrior is.
junior ivy
some boss abilities hit harder though
dragon in dht, his breath was one shotting me
it never used to
but tbh im not very good at my rotation and defensives yet lol
im used to always having so much IP
now i dont
astral crystal
strong forum
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kind urchin
Is it reaction time or geometry that gets you caught in it?
Is it reaction time or geometry that gets you caught in it?
junior ivy
both but mainly geometry
strong forum
lul
main vault
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strong forum
mythic raider btw
junior ivy
me?
strong forum
yea
junior ivy
barely lol
strong forum
you said you had 75 pulls on mythic argus didnt you
junior ivy
yeah
strong forum
mythic raider
junior ivy
but when i first tanked mythic argus, i was 2/11 mythic
eventually i got to 4/11 throuhg a pug
but thats my entire progress
4/11 with 75 pulls on argus
strong forum
1/11 is still a mythic raider
junior ivy
true i guess lol
strong forum
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
junior ivy
it just feels like anywhere i move, i still get hit
junior ivy
i cant get there fast enough
strong forum
the cast is like 3sec long
junior ivy
tiny gnome legs? id unno, it seems to happen so fast
junior ivy
i used to be too embarrassed to even admit to being a clicker lol
but now i don';t care
wanna know something even worse?
strong forum
mh?
junior ivy
yeah she is surprisingly good at it
strong forum
but atleast she can move and attack simultaniously
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but you can type on a keyboad, so why not try the same in wow
junior ivy
i do better at keybinding in fury
kind urchin
Have you tried running straight through him?
Have you tried running straight through him?
strong forum
start with usin 1-4/5 shift 1-4/5
strong forum
ofc
junior ivy
i will try it
strong forum
hes standing still and not turning
but yea use 1-4 or 5, shitft 1-4 or 5 Q E R T F C and the shift version
for starters
and just play around with it
i got into keybinds mostly because i wanted to pvp back in the day and you cant pvp as clicker
so i forced myself into it
kind urchin
My wifi was being finicky with my phone and failing to send messages. But yeah, try going straight through. It might be your best option as a clicker to get to safety.
junior ivy
even with the breath , dht 19 was still insanely easy
kind urchin
Yeah prot warrior is really strong.
junior ivy
so why do people say we suck for bfa then?
strong forum
missing knowledge
kind urchin
Because they think the most important thing in a tank is self healing and not the ability to mitigate damage.
kind urchin
Call me old school but I feel that the important thing in tanking is being able to mitigate damage enough in a certain window of time that your healer can keep you alive.
merry cave
prot is very strong in m+ atm, but dh definately overtakes again at 120
but to say were not viable is a joke
merry cave
we dont need fixing
kind urchin
Also you might think I'm crazy but I've been running a crit/mastery build with the legs and bracers and require almost no healing in m+ so far.
kind urchin
Yeah, they redid the diminishing returns on parry and it gives you a lot more than it used to.
I'm running 24% crit, 20% haste and 55% Mastery.
junior ivy
interesting
strong forum
what levels
kind urchin
15's
strong forum
mh
ember arrow
the strength of m+ isnt determined in being able to do 15s
can you do a +20, then post results
astral crystal
@junior ivy keybinds is all about muscle memory
it's worth going through the failure of losing your step while you get used to it and develop that reaction memory
subtle fable
strong forum
hah
sour wigeon
thats what i did, it also helps to show you what you are missing/need to edit in your weakauras
strong forum
nice just failed a +17 uppr cuz dps kept getting oneshot from disintergrate
pugging is so aids
main vault
I know people meme preach
He actually has a good series of videos for things like this
strong forum
for puggin?
cosmic cargo
as long as he doesn't try to teach people how to play specs or comments on their strengths
he's okay
main vault
No for keybinding and shit
Like he made a series on how not to be a clicker
And his "be a better raider" series is legit
strong forum
ah that
junior ivy
oo i wanna see this how not to be a clicker sreies
main vault
Look it up
It really isn't bad
His guides are obviously meme
But everything else is pretty quality
main vault
That's his get good for Xmas part
But he had a previous series that was all about clickers
Its old but
junior ivy
ty
ember arrow
Idk if i tried to click i would be 10 times slowee
junior ivy
someone should pin that
main vault
lol
main vault
Just spen d some tim e in the videos
Tbh, its probably not a good idea to do it all at once
Maybe put all offensive spells opr defensives on keybinds
Then the other half
sour wigeon
i would prob do basic rotational spells, cds and interupt, then break up utility in some way
silent current
Hey everyone. Is this the right place to ask qs? I have one regarding the hidden artifact skin
tawny sphinx
Any 1 knows if doggies in antarous are fixed? Since NL and second boss in uk got fixed.
tawny sphinx
FeelsBadMan to equip strongest defensive gear and go noob talents to logg grey, just to kill them with 2 tanks ๐
silent current
Is worldbreaker in neltharion's vault on a weekly or daily reset basis?
silent current
Been sniffing gold piles for a while now
silent current
Which?
tawny sphinx
@main vault Ye, much better.
silent current
This one? /run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44311))
timid jay
Still not a very exciting way to get it
main vault
Nope lol
silent current
Yeah, I know
main vault
The purple version is beautiful too
silent current
I just want to sort as much legion content possible before bfa
I'm a returning player on a fresh boosted
main vault
Ah yeah
silent current
there's some painful stuff around tho
cinder nova
mfw I got nelths and the arms appearance same day
ember arrow
oh it does?
strong forum
yea arms is just rng per day
ember arrow
i dont hav arms artifact
strong forum
lul
spark hamlet
I really need to get a new trinket for my prot spec been using Gorshalach
ember arrow
definitely
strong forum
you stand in the orderhall in arms spec and the dude next to the forge just gives it to you "techincally"
spark hamlet
ok were are the gear guys at i have some questions and suck at sim for prot
main vault
use raidbots, you literally cant suck
spark hamlet
didnt think raidbots could do prot
modest crest
Does anyone know why our secondary stat % seem lower than other classes? For example, my main is a prot war and I hover in the 35-50% range for haste/mastery with what used to be 970ilvl or so. But my alt resto shaman and a friend or two in guild have their mastery at 80-90%+ without even trying. How can my 910 shaman have so much mastery % than my warrior, who I have targeted mastery as a somewhat important stat?
vocal nimbus
^
ember arrow
mw monk can ahve hundreds % of mastery
and we have 50 with same
at least in NH that was the case
vocal nimbus
different classes need different amounts of stats to reach 1%
some need X for that 1%, others need Y
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main vault
Attuned stats
Thats how
Specs have a stat where they get more per point
Like Crit for Fire
kind urchin
Tanks generally get less mastery per point because it increases our AP as well as the effect gained through our specific mastery.
spark hamlet
with the gloves not being so great was thinking of seph and the belt any reason that might not be a good combo?
spark hamlet
Just trying to get something working for 5man stuff and questing cause raiding is done for my guild so its just time to get a good feel on things
plain ice
what are the best legendaries for leveling up until 116 looking like? belt + AHR/shoulders/sephuz?
ember arrow
boots/sephuz
wanton sentinel
1000% boots. Go Fury, War Machine, kill shit.
spark hamlet
hmm boots and shoulders as fury could be fun
cinder pasture
Oh god. I just reached dogs for the first time since patch. I don't like it ๐ฆ
ember arrow
hehe'
leaden carbon
Is the any good tl;dr on the changes legion > bfa for prot?
keen lily
Did they already fix the 4tier problem?
robust urchin
What do you mean by that
keen lily
The 4piece tier wasn't working because they took battle cry
robust urchin
its the 2piece
And they fixed that
Juggernaut Battlegear 2-piece set bonus has been changed to increase Armor by 5%.
neat sable
isnt the 4 piece still overtuned as hell? i was tanking 20s last night and dont think my ignore pain broke once
neat sable
idk about that tanked heroic no problem. and if they dont fix antorus ill be one of our 4 goddamn tanks on tuesday for dogs
mythic that is
robust urchin
anything magic dmg eats trough IP like an american trough an all you can eat buffet
spark hamlet
if you need proof get hit by the beam in upper kara once
vast agate
what leggos are peeps using? still the same stuff as before?
I've noticed that prydaz isn't nerfed for tanks anymore
neat sable
gloves belt seems standard now
real fossil
im having issues with the pinned weak aura for ignore pain. no numbers are coming up. anyone have any ideas why?
fresh kernel
what's the consensus on unstoppable force vs dragon roar
wanton sentinel
@real fossil Are you running the latest Weak Auras? v2.6.0
And, when you say "no numbers" - do you mean the WA never shows up at all? Or just the icon? etc. Be precise please
real fossil
the icon itself does not show the ignore pain value, i only have the icon. Im going to redownload weak auras and see if it fixes it
wanton sentinel
@fresh kernel Unstoppable Force. TC damage got buffed, so TC spam during Avatar is NUTS.
real fossil
unstoppable force is loads of fun.
fresh kernel
thanks bro
vast agate
yeah seriously the aoe from tc spam is nuts and super fun
and its more rage gen, so youre tankier too
grim berry
Hello there, i'm raiding on antorus hc and i'm getting rekt on Hounds, is that normal ?
feral mauve
no its heroic
grim berry
ok ty for the answer ๐
sick sentinel
anybody here decent with macro's?
warm plinth
What are you trying to make?
sick sentinel
trying to put demoshout and avatar on one button.
warm plinth
The only way to do that is a castsequence. They're both on the GCD, so they can't be cast at the same time. The macro would require pressing the button twice.
sick sentinel
but since anger management is amazing the cooldowns are wonky, so using cast sequence is kind of a pain in the ass.
strong forum
just use 2 buttons OpieOP
sick sentinel
i don't mind pressing the button twitce. just want one button that will show the tooltip to which ever is available at the time.
strong forum
doesnt sound very smart tbh
you wanna see both
dont forget, DS is an defensive CD aswell
or rather first and foremost a defensive CD
wanton sentinel
Use a WeakAura to show both / appear when they are ready. You don't want to always blow Avatar on pulls in M+ for instance, but DS recycles quickly, so you'll likely use it more often
crystal night
With azerte trait deafening crash u can avatar , demoshout, and extend Ur demoshout debuf on target by 1 second per T-clap
And with that one talent you can use T-clap every other global
sour wigeon
did that azerite trait stack?
timid jay
No, they changed it
astral crystal
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junior igloo
Avatar cooldown is double of Demo Shout, that doesn't change with the trait or with Anger Management, you can always sync every other Demo Shout with Avatar.
The only thing that breaks it is the legendary belt (which is not available at 120).
shut summit
Trait currently can actually cause them to become desynced with enough haste at 120, cause during avatar you keep up demo whole time and it's off CD with the debuff still up
If/when it gets fixed to be the correct 1sec per tclap won't be as much an issue tho
broken kite
How's prot feeling on beta ATM? Saw you been doing a lot of m+
shut summit
Not bad at all, our dps is prolly too high
broken kite
Any issues? Survivability? High DPS sounds nice so threat is less of an issue
shut summit
Nah when I compare some pulls/ bosses to other logs of other tanks our surv is pretty equal if not better - need more logs instead of the few there seem to be
Or premades ๐ฌ
broken kite
Anything nasty that's not blockable? That's my main issue on live with reduced iP effectiveness
Obviously 120 will be a bit better :P
vivid orchid
seems like more things are blockable, generally
if only because auto attacks factor in a lot more than before
shut summit
Nah vast majority of shit is blockable, and it's like 80% blocked autoattacks in dungeons cuz of bolster
broken kite
Awesome
shut summit
Some mobs that are obv untuned doing 95k hits but it's fun to spell reflect those for now
broken kite
Yikes
arctic sedge
How do you think we'd do on raid bosses?
shut summit
Did fine back when they did raid testing, and that was before bolster change / change to block, so finer? Xd
broken kite
If it's blockable I'm feeling positive
If not yikes
Anyone else actually missing guaranteed crit blocks with NF? XD
arctic sedge
I do hope we can be viable on mythic progression
crimson sentinel
Why wouldnt we be
arctic sedge
I just have some doubts atm
crimson sentinel
What doubts
arctic sedge
Nothing doomsaying obv
strong forum
for progress raiding every tank will be fine
shut summit
Is a difference between viable and optimal
strong forum
ofc
plain ice
anything fun to do in game while we wait for 8.0? i already have all legendaries, etc. and am ~243 ilvl
arctic sedge
Achievement hunting is an idea
plain ice
are weekly chests still awarding loot for +15s?
vivid orchid
Im basically just farming old stuff
fiery remnant
Punish or into the fray for raids?
fickle geyser
anyone has working wa for prot 4set absorb amount?
timid jay
Pins @fickle geyser
fickle geyser
thats just ip wa and i dont have skills to pick it apart
timid jay
It does update for the 4p values
fickle geyser
i know
timid jay
It shows the total absorb you have on your current IP
fickle geyser
lets ask it this way, how do i get wa to show absorb amount of buff 254339 stand your ground
fickle geyser
i like things simple
timid jay
Tracking that wont really change anything, cant remember what the cap is at but with the state of 4p once you have IP up basically the only thing that removes it entirely is a massive hit or IP just running out of duration
broken kite
I see
timid jay
Knowing that won't change your playstyle at all though
You're still going to use IP when you need to
Knowing the extra bonus won't matter unless you're going to use it a split second before a tank buster and rely on it being big
Ip serves much more of a damage smoothing role now, when you want to take less damage you'll pop IP, if it doesn't start big 4p will most likely just increase it anyway
fickle geyser
true
still i liked it better when i had one wa that shows my ip amount and one that shows how big next cast will be with current buffs
bfa patch broke this
i dont want 4 different colours etc
hard number x and number y
timid jay
I get it but it feels really redundant to me now with the extreme power of 4p and the shift in role of IP
fickle geyser
cant help my autism ๐ฆ
well i guess ill have to try dissect maroks wa to pieces
ty anyways
timid jay
Might be able to make it work by changing the spell Id inside the code
Haven't checked out the code for the wa though
Could always ask marok though
grim prism
@fickle geyser absorbAmount isnt a baked-in trigger value in WA
You would need to code it yourself
wowprogrammming.com and the WA Discord's resource sticky has a lot of good info. You should be able to grab a snippet and drop in some new variables relatively easily
merry cave
Damn EU people keep overtaking me on prot m+ rankings while I sleep ๐ญ ๐ญ
fringe marten
....Don't they listen to sco? Why would they play warriors~ ๐
gaunt coyote
.Playing with devastate again is cancer lol
cinder pasture
I haven't really touched devastate at all so far. Don't really have an open GCD for it
tired narwhal
I haven't caught up on a lot of the outcomes at 120, but obviously this is in a warrior biased community, but I love prot warrior, how do they compare to the other tanks right now?
I watched the latest sco video and it didn't appear favorable.
gaunt coyote
its just muscle memory for not using it for ages and having it back sucks
fitting it in my keybinds
merry cave
I don't know about raids but I use devestate maybe 10-20 times in a whole m+ run
It's why I ditched the gloves
fickle geyser
make devastator great again
merry cave
Maybe it'll be good again one day, I'm not a theory crafter though. Definitely while we have belt BV is a little op lol
undone sun
after they buff it, sure
merry cave
Or make it baseline ๐
fringe marten
It's going to legit really suck when we can't use that belt in BFA. Demo shout is literally a perma buff on aoe packs in M+
merry cave
Azerite trait makes it pretty good again :)
neat harbor
atm Im tempted to use my 110 boost for a monk and just play brewmaster frankly
the way they can keep their mitigation up with ease feels like a slap in the face to the rest of us
merry cave
Brew is lovely to play, especially if you wanna have some cheesy fun with shouers and chest while you can :)
Only time shield block has caused a headache is those niche am checks like brh or votw
But if you enjoy the monk more should definitely play it. I change toons tons when I get sick of something or enjoy something more ๐ ๐
grim prism
i have not minded having devastate back
fiery remnant
be like me and play prot and brew
grim prism
devastate was dogshit when we all switched to devastator, but it isn't anymore
i havent actually logged anything to see how often i'm pressing it, but it feels much more reasonable than the spammy shit it was in 7.0
there is now a rotational decision to rev for damage or dev to keep pooling
it makes sense to have now
amber siren
It's not that big of a choice. You keep IP up (if you need it) and dump rage with revenge or if it's free. You'll barely find a GCD to use devastate unless you're purposely weaving it in for glove procs right now.
Like if you're going for damage no matter what a revenge or TC is going to do more than devastate outside of glove procs
simple peak
HEY i've started tanking m+'s and i'm wondering if my stats are okay, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228729544813576192/470797884569157632/unknown.png
merry cave
Look fine buddy, ilvl is king generally anyway outside of tier.
Just start at a key level and keep going until you can't go further only way to tell :)
simple peak
i have t16 4pc
jade socket
yeah work towards t17 its pretty strong
raven ore
Tier 22 is p sick
broken kite
... Are you using tusks .. in m+?
simple peak
Yes?
broken kite
You don't have legion gear?
undone sun
why
amber siren
transmog gone wrong
broken kite
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simple peak
I have no reason to be sarcastic..
i vendored my real gear to afford repair
and since the squish it seemed not too far off from normal gear
neon prawn
I feel like I'm having a stroke reading this???
main vault
I guess he thought it was funny?
vivid sage
he's joking
ember arrow
Ascended
vivid sage
eh sorry seemed more serious before you through the ascended in there
i should have guessed the gun wielding teletubby prob would have a decent grip on sarcasm
vivid sage
tachanka howard?
mighty mauve
Do us warriors still hold strong enought to get up in mid to high mythics and or heroic raids? Im a die hard war but still new enough i dont know.
undone sun
yes
sterile sail
with the new threat changes, are we going to have more issues holding threat as the expansion goes on, since non-tank dps will shoot up way higher than tank dps will? or will the threat gen ratios stay close enough that it'll stay relative across tiers
fiery remnant
best leggo combo still belt and hands or should i stick with belt and bracers?
undone sun
afaik the ratio is still the same, so dps pulling threat shouldn't be an issue
at least not on bosses
tight tree
I had threat ripped off me on portal keeper on Vulcanar platform. He had dmg reduction = i do no damage = i do no threat = healer spamming = gets aggro ๐
Yeas our DPS was slow with running orbs ๐
So threat change can have unforseen consequences
ember arrow
taunt then SS
autumn laurel
Having to cast devastate is going to be pretty obnoxious when we have less haste going into BFA
Even now itโs kind of annoying
Kinda wish they did something with it
Baked it into another skill or something
Or just made devastator Vaseline
Baseline* lol auto correct
opaque temple
uuuh, i don't even have devastate on my bars right now. Not enough GCD's to even use it.
autumn laurel
Yea right now itโs an afterthought, but once we get into Early BFA itโll be used a lot more
And itโs gonna be kinda meh
tight tree
I am actually fine with using devastate. I rather have GCD removed from ignore pain ๐ And avatar! Yeah not going to happen.
It is just as swipe on guardian. Or Tiger Palm on monk. Simple filler.
marble iris
Hey what name plates do you fellas use?
marble iris
Thanks, I was using tidy plates but I think he's kinda given up on that, and elvui's plates aren't doing it for me.
tight tree
THreat plates are standalone now
not requiring tidy plates anymore
and updated regularly
marble iris
I never used threat plates, just tidy plates.
tight tree
Used to be plugin for tidy, now standalone yes
marble iris
Ah, I'll give it a whirl, thanks.
tight tree
What i love about them, you can do custom customization based on mob name for example, so you can have critical mobs in pull be differnt color/size etc
Good for m+
wow i cant type today ๐
marble iris
Oh that's neat, like make the fellas that do deadly casts stand out?
tight tree
yes exactly
marble iris
That's extra handy.
fringe marten
YOu guys prefer threat plates to KUI nameplates?
I use KUI atm and hadn't ever tried threat plates.
tight tree
Matter of preference really, i tried kui long time ago, and dislike something, don't remember what
limpid dagger
Kui is good, probably the best options for tracking active target as well. But go with what suits you
fair crystal
I dont mind Plater seems to do everything i need
silk portal
Is it just me, or does Protection Warrior seem a lot slower now?
undone sun
it's not just warrior
weary notch
that depends on your talents. Right now on live, with Unstoppable force, Into the Fray and Heroism, Thunder Clap is literally spammable
silk portal
I guess I'm not used to the Shield Block and Ignore Pain changes
Though my prot is only 211
weary notch
you do press ingore pain less. And it will feel slower in BFA as we gear up and have less haste
silk portal
How do you handle Shield Block now?
Previously I tried to keep it up 100% of the time, but, that doesn't feel possible now with a longer recharge
weary notch
keep it up as much as you can, but be sure to save it for hard hitting moments. Outside of Shield Wall, it's the best defensive tool we have
undone sun
it wasn't possible before hand
silk portal
Thyme, what I meant was that there's a lot more down time now than before
weary notch
Thyme, I thought it was Vacation Thyme. It's 6 AM here
silk portal
Do you guys use the new talent which makes you take less damage from targets you've slammed with shield slam?
tawny panther
Is there something wrong with priests in prepatch?
sick sentinel
๐
undone sun
it should count
cosmic cargo
only primary pets or also guardian style pets?
cause if that counts bring a demo with you for guaranteed stacks 
junior igloo
What about companion pets?
undone sun
battle pets, no.
i remember that getting fixed early on
tight tree
Demo was getting me stacks for imps 2 days ago on live
silk portal
Okkay
tight tree
Not even in my group just warlock near training dummies
silk portal
Am I understanding block here correctly
Block reduces the amount of damage you take by a certain %, based on your block %, but, is hard-capped on 85% DR, right?
If so, how does this interract with Shield Block?
junior igloo
There are 2 separate block percentages:
- Block chance - whether or not you block at all
- Block value - by how much is the blocked attack reduced
Shield block increases your chance to block to 100 % (you block all the hits), block value is not altered by Shield Block and depends on your shield and opponent level (it is capped at 85 %).
As a side note, mastery gives you another separate chance on blocked hits to double the block value (but still capped at 85 %).
silk portal
Is there any way of increasing the block chance? Or is that too affected by the shield you have?
junior igloo
Block chance depends on mastery. (Mastery gives both block chance and critical block chance).
silk portal
Okay, so, is that why Mastery is so valuable for Protection going forward into BFA?
cosmic cargo
it was already valuable
silk portal
I haven't played much Prot Warrior in Legion
undone sun
yeah, it was the second stat in the stat priority for most fights.
cosmic cargo
mastery also gives more AP for tanks which in warrior's case increases ignore pain
though that's not as big of a deal in bfa than legion since IP is pretty small
undone sun
haste>mastery
junior igloo
Mastery giving block chance and critical block chance (as well as attack power) is no different from Legion really, at least in principle.
I don't really think that you can get your block chance very high (it is only 50 % of your mastery and then reduced by diminishing returns). We mostly depend on Shield Block and Bolster to guarantee blocks.
The crit block chance as well as attack power is the more relevant part of mastery in my opinion.
silk portal
So, if you have 50% Block, does that mean you have 100% Crit block?
cosmic cargo
50% block from mastery
junior igloo
Nah, don't think so.
cosmic cargo
which is an unrealistic number
junior igloo
Your crit block chance = you mastery.
Your block chance = 50 % mastery, then reduced by the diminishing returns, then + 18 (18 % is our baseline block chance).
cosmic cargo
btw will block value cap be reachable on crit blocks with a mythic shield?
undone sun
it'll be reachable fairly early on
junior igloo
It will probably be pretty close
cosmic cargo
I was checking how much was needed the other day out of curiosity but wowhead doesn't list block value of shields
and then I forgot about it
it's around 2k iirc
junior igloo
IIRC heroic raiding shield is over 40 %, so mythic is probably critting at cap.
cosmic cargo
and this is not counting traits
is there a general consensus for bis raiding trait?
shell night
a crit block still hits the 85% cap. so if you have 50 block, the crit will still only block 85% instead of 100%
which effectively gives you a soft cap. (soft cap because stacking block higher than 42.5% still benefits normal blocks, just not the crits)
cosmic cargo
we know that, that's exactly what we were taking about
how fast the cap would be hit
junior igloo
Yeah, the soft cap exists, but it's not like you can choose to hit the cap and take something else for the remaining stat budget ๐
Higher item level shields will have higher block value, they will also have more of other stats
shell night
someone mentioned on here before that mythic shields would be around 40% on them. No idea where they got that from tbh
cosmic cargo
also
a crit block is not 2x the % of a regular blpcl
*block
not quite at least
it's 2x the block value which turns into a bit less than 2x the block %
junior igloo
Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + Kn)
(Kn depends on the level of attacker, for a raid boss in first tier of BfA, it's 6300)
Block Reduction = 4618 / (4618 + 6300) = 42.3%
Warriorโs Critical Block doubles the post-DR amount. A critical block with that 4618 block shield looks like this
Block Reduction: 42.3% * 2 = 84.6%```Just noticed someone said something about mastery increasing AP and thus increasing IP. I don't believe that is the case any more since it's just flat for IP now
(that AP affects IP anyway)
undone sun
mastery does increase Attack Power, IP is also affected by AP still
tawny panther
I thought they specifically said removing that, unless that changed? But that's why I said "think"
junior igloo
IP has a limit of 350 % of our attack power (it will prevent that much damage at the most).
undone sun
(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility) is from what i know the used formula
tawny panther
Will double check when I'm home to be sure but thanks
strong forum
Yea that's the formula
cosmic cargo
wowhead lists a flat value for some reason
which is weird
maybe looking at the wrong spell
tawny panther
Could be a beta change removed. I most certainly saw flat value not scaling
junior igloo
cosmic cargo
possibly it's the earlier version of IP that I found
junior igloo
Still shows 350 % to me ๐
cosmic cargo
turn that possibly into definitely
tawny panther
The tumultuous times we live in
Thought it was daft when I saw no scaling. Just means power creeps IP into obscurity!
elder isle
what legendaries u suggest for prepatch rn ?
junior igloo
Belt
elder isle
- wrists maybe ?
junior igloo
bracers are good for healing, gloves are probably best for dps
elder isle
dont see the point of gloves rn tho , without devastator
thats why I was asking if there is something better than them
junior igloo
Not for dps, also Devastator is viable for dps, at least on single target ๐
A bunch of people also played pants in Antorus, might be a decent defensive option with belt, if you don't need the healing from bracers
cosmic cargo
if you want offensive gloves is pretty strong
I tried gloves with devastator the other day and the aoe feels straight up broken
elder isle
I also saw many warriors do more dmg single/aoe without gloves so imma confused ๐
ill try different options thansk all
cosmic cargo
most top logs run gloves + devastator
onyx vessel
Gloves + belt for dps cuz prepatch
If you dying prob cuz healer sucks
Was waiting for levko bb
cosmic cargo
my main for antorus was a lock, was only playing tank on like vari and argus or occasionally when another tank was missing
swapped now going into bfa
sick sentinel
fair enough, was just wondering given the amount of stuff you have stated incorrectly on here
cosmic cargo
also logs on argus most are not going for highest dps
because well it's not a trivial fight anymore
junior igloo
It's not?
shell night
found aggra harder than argus tbh
since the patch that is
but then im not tanking in legion either so easy for me to say
rapid trench
Still hoping ip and or demo shout come off the gcd before release
shell night
even just demo shout
i can live with ip, but demo on gcd makes engage a pain
saving that gcd on engage would just be alot smoother
cosmic cargo
and just double checked on fights where people dps whore, like vari, top logs are devastator + gloves
so idk what you're on about @sick sentinel
what "incorrect information" am I saying
compact mirage
What pvp talents have you guys taken? My setup: http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/cHjz/S28/UBS/UCV/XfF
strong forum
Sword and board or w/e its called instead of taunt is what I'm using
compact mirage
I am a bit rusty. What is the critical hit damage multiplier in WoW?
Is it double the non crit damage?
I just read that it is only x1.5 the damage in Legion PvP? That would cut the talent value in halve.
brazen yoke
by priority, i take morale killer, dragon charge, and sword and board. of those 3, i'd consider dragon charge to be the most potent, on the basis that in the open world, there are always cliffs to exploit, which means that it is potentially an instant kill move on a 20 second cooldown.
compact mirage
shield bash seems amazing too
strong forum
Are we talking proper pvp or just warmode World questing
compact mirage
Both
grim prism
Those are generally two wildly different things
Thats like saying 'what talents do you use for WQs and mythic raiding'
Morale killer plus bodyguard is pretty hilarious for keeping a pocket healer alive regardless
tight tree
There is no "proper" pvp for prot tbh, unless by some gimmicky reason it will be viable for 3v3 arenas and RBGs
And i like this build for world pvp/questing yes ๐
grim prism
There were a couple prots fairly high up the arena ladder last season if im not mistaken
Only a couple
And yes gimmicky
tight tree
Maybe, but i am (and not only me) very sceptical about tanks in PvP in general and warrior in particular. Vengeance will be god for FC still anyway.
signal plover
I don't think I ran into a single tank above 1800 but I mostly did 2s where they would just be a crutch. 3s I guess for lockdown but arms MS is so much better I have no idea why you'd do prot in arena.
tight tree
Glad stance was hilarious in WoD though ๐
tight tree
I remember 1st time i ever qued for Highmaul Arena as glad warrior. I won it, got my Lord of War, and never qued again.
grim prism
This wouldve been in 2v2s
Looks like there were a dozen prots over 2k last season
Lol
I dint check 3s
Thats actually more than i expected
tight tree
So yeah, i'd play prot for solo questing and arms in pvp
grim prism
@signal plover you would do prot arenas because you hate yourself, but hate other people slightly more
tight tree
haha
grim prism
Although with the tanking paradigm changes, i dont think even that would be a good reason anymore
tawdry plover
Long vacation boyz.. How are you? Whats new :)))
next goblet
so devastator + gloves gives more dps on a fight like vari eh?
elder isle
decided to go BV with kakushan and vigor
lusty grotto
?
onyx vessel
@elder isle i find without devastator gloves to be a little poor cuz of devastate being low priority
Id say sephuz and belt for m+ and lvling in bfa with bv and gloves and belt for raiding with devastator
solid cradle
is the Bolster talent working? i've read a few people saying the block aspect of it isn't working at all? :/
cosmic cargo
those people are talking nonsense
solid cradle
this is good news
autumn laurel
It didnโt feel like it was working at first but yea it actually is
robust urchin
Am i the only one who let's people die if they go ahead and pull big groups?
ember arrow
same
the joke is, with current threat, if the mobs scatter, you cant even get them all back intime
robust urchin
I'm not even trying
Im stuck with 290 Ilvl on the beta and everyone just keeps pulling whenever he feels like it
robust urchin
I was doing the underrot and checking boss mechanics while a mage pulled who only did 2k dps
We wiped because no one did the mechanic on the boss
I get blamed and booted
ember arrow
thats why u only do m+
ember arrow
no no, i mean in m+ they cant kick u
robust urchin
Can't get better gear
eager hedge
Im gonna miss this haste going into BFA ):
weary notch
@robust urchin Let them die. The community in this game is awful
grim prism
@Communities
ashen trellis
Cleared Mythic last night again for the first time since pre patch.
I took WAYYYYY less damage then our other tank, demon hunter and by WAY i mean holy shit like half the damage he took.. Bolster is a life saver for agg and Argus.
I think prot is the god of physical damage right now
ember arrow
ofc u take less dmg than a dh
ember arrow
u must look at if theyre easy to heal
how their self heal works
Skada: Damage taken for Total: 17:25 (42 Min 6 Sec):
- Offtank 3.91M (2973.0, 57.3%)
- Miasรขma 1.05M (830.1, 15.4%)
- Rustlord 727.3K (581.8, 10.7%)
- Shaleina 626.8K (498.7, 9.2%)
i took shitload of dmg, on dk, but i was in no point in danger
if you have those numbers on a warrior, then you are in big trouble, so its relative
sick sentinel
Weapons Will Titanforge in Battle for Azeroth After All
cosmic cargo
yeah no
weekly cache showing as titanforge
doesn't mean titanforge
i've heard of that clickbaity vid
it's just blizzard using weird naming systems
a baseline mythic cache item is labeled as "warforged" or "titanforged" because it's higher than the item from the dungeon itself
jade tartan
Guys, was looking at our traits, and I found them pretty interesting!
Reinforced Plating - Blocking an attack increases your strength by x for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.
Brace for Impact - Using Shield Slam increases your block by x and the damage of your Shield Slam by y for 9 secs. Multiple applications of this effect may overlap.
these 2 seem pretty good
Callous Reprisal - Revenge deals x additional damage and reduces the damage enemies deal to you by y% for 8secs, stacking up to 3 times.
this one as well, although no numbers on that % ๐ค
wanton sentinel
Remind me to stop reading the forums. So much naysaying about Prot Warriors from bad players ๐
@jade tartan Callous looks great for M+.
jade tartan
Aye, no doubt !
I'm still so torn between my Prot War and my VDH.. I still think that I'll only make my decision on the 14th..
but these are looking nice
cosmic cargo
i have a feeling prot warr will be third for raiding
jade tartan
DH ones look "okish" but this one competes heavily
Infernal Armor - Immolation Aura increases your armor by x, and causes melee attackers to take y fire damage.
cosmic cargo
unless the magic portion of some fights is too heavy
jade tartan
we just dont have numbers yet
wanton sentinel
I played both on beta. VDH was fun, but also felt rote very quickly too. Iโm almost purely a M+ player too. Still going Prot.
jade tartan
oh ok ! Ty
@wanton sentinel good to hear !
I'm also getting the Prot War vibe back.. since I've played it from Vanilla to WoD
my only fear is getting tired of it too quickly :\
coarse kettle
Can anyone explain why we heal so much off revenge?
cosmic cargo
wat
jade tartan
heal? oO
coarse kettle
I heal with and without the wrists on for about 5% of my health but canโt figure out why
coarse kettle
8% leech but itโs the only ability that spikes like that
signal plover
Revenge has no heal component so it's gotta be something else
cosmic cargo
some pvp talent idk
coarse kettle
Thatโs why Iโm confused and been trying to figure it out but itโs only when I use the revenge ability
signal plover
And the amount healed doesn't change when u equip wrists?
coarse kettle
Works on training dummies too and players
It is slightly more with wrists on but still a large amount without them
signal plover
Do u have details?
wanton sentinel
When you hit multiple targets with Revenge?
coarse kettle
Single
signal plover
If u have details go to healing done, click your name and screen cap that for us
wanton sentinel
if you donโt: install it.
coarse kettle
Iโm on my phone but I will when I get on my pc ... lol thought it would be a quick answer that I was just missing
broken mulch
heej what setup should i run as vari necrotic tank bitch?
onyx vessel
Prot warriors are weaker then before prepatch but so is every tank but i felt warriot was pretty auto pilot before patch tbh
Healer reliant is the problem but they have been for pretty much all wow
silk portal
How do you guys handle Shield Block now?
Do you try and space them out so you're always sitting on at least one charge or do you keep yourself out of charges to keep it up as much as possible?
stark sage
depends on the fight, plan them out in such a way that every blockable mechanic is blocked
extra charges can be used as you see fit
silk portal
How about in Dungeons?
I'm not doing any raids rn and I'm just going to gear through M+
stark sage
keep it up during pulls
arctic harbor
spam demo + some active SB/LS for pulls
onyx vessel
Try and keep shield block up each pack use cds in downtime
arctic harbor
yeah
silk portal
I don't want to rely on Leggos tho
That's why I'm going to get Prydaz and aggramar for leveling
onyx vessel
Use sephuz and belt or dps lego trink for lvling
silk portal
No
onyx vessel
Abuse it
onyx vessel
Not a lot go from big pulls till 116 to smaller pulls
halcyon shuttle
apparently KJBW is nerfed
gleaming thicket
im with this discord on prot being a sleeper
all this vdh hype but i think we will be just fine in m+
and even stronger in raiding
arctic harbor
prot feels tight, and with block changes I think you're right
Avatar just feels amazing
gleaming thicket
i tried it side by side with blood and while i feel like i could sustain myself more for obvious reasons.. and mass grip being great, the mobility i had on prot is something i just cant seem to let go of
feels too good
arctic harbor
yep, so much utility too
halcyon shuttle
too bad we lost leech aura
arctic harbor
I always feel like I am in the right place at the right time with prot
DH has that too tho, but I haven't really messed with it too much
high carbon
gleaming thicket
just dont do them
ashen trellis
Everything on dogs is still crazy over tuned. Was getting hit by decay last night for ~50k a tick
Can kill a titan. But not his pets
lone eagle
Before the first round of nerfs, we just ended up 4 tanking dogs
Said fuck it
Now we might not need to? It feels like they got touched on the tank swap hotfix but not enough
but we were close to 2 tanking it before
inland mesa
Why did they stop the nerf at antorus and not just hit it too, cutting edge is gone no one wants to have a hard time killing shit
blissful pebble
We just had a 3rd tank bouncing between the 2 dogs taunting to take a stack then moving back to the other dog and repeat.
fiery remnant
Whatโs our best legendary combo?
blissful pebble
On another note is there any collective wisdom on how big of an item level hit the 4 piece is worth. I am wearing 2 already but had switched off 4 in favour of some 980+ titanforges before patch hit.
prisma crane
for a while it was a lot since it was broken, but they fixed it so it's probably similar
that said, does it really matter much? all going to be leveling fodder in 3 wks
blissful pebble
Add 30 more weeks and you could say that or similar of any tier. Want to make the best use of it whilst it remains relevant. Was the fix undocumented, I saw the fix for 2 piece but not 4.
bitter girder
testing out my warrior tank for the first time after patch, feeling so week with the low uptime on SB
grim prism
@fiery remnant depends heavily on what you are doing; answer is probably in Marok's guide in the pins
bitter girder
or am i doing something wrong
grim prism
@bitter girder try heavy repercussions at lvl100 for more uptime
signal plover
No
bitter girder
but how do you guys deal in harder content with so low uptime ?
prisma crane
there's a massive difference between 30 and 3 wks. Plus this is a prepatch with classes tuned around levels we do not currently have, which is far different than min/maxing gear that you'll still use going from tier to tier
signal plover
Bolster
prisma crane
but that's my 2c
main vault
Low uptime ๐ค
signal plover
Between boslter and current haste levels you can get very solid effective uptime on shield block in raiding
bitter girder
ok, but in m+? when you are fighting more often?
signal plover
Are u using last stand/bolster enough?
In m+ there will be some gaps
But you should be able to cover em with CDs
bitter girder
okey so you weve the AM with cd's?
signal plover
Yeah
bitter girder
okey
signal plover
U understand how bolster works?
bitter girder
gives 15 sec full block right?
signal plover
It's a bit different but that's how warriors work. Preventative tank not just reactive.
bitter girder
ok
fresh dragon
prot war is exceptionally good @ BRH ๐ฎ
u cann pull 20 adds and take 0 damage in a +20
kind urchin
It was about the same for me in an 18 DHT yesterday.
topaz ember
what pvp talents are you guys using for warmode besides morale killer?
main vault
sick sentinel
guys what are you using for nameplates?
junior igloo
Threat plates
wanton sentinel
ElvUI built-in. Was Plater.
kind urchin
ElvUI here as well.
wide juniper
ElvUI built in here too
grim prism
Been using stock plates ever since they added debuff trackers. If it aint broke dont fix it 
main vault
Threat Plates. Was KUI
fresh dragon
KuiNamePlates (that is integrated in ElvUI)
pure abyss
+1 for Threat Plates
plain ice
is tidyplates no longer a thing?
that's what i was using in legion, but they haven't updated it yet ๐
round hornet
they have updated tidyplates since like 2016
havent
someone forked it and updated a bit for bfa tho https://github.com/AHigi/TidyPlates
earnest sand
This project will be maintained until the original authors don't resume their work on the addon
๐ค
sick sentinel
engrish
round hornet
if you want good maintained nameplates try kuinameplates
sick sentinel
whats the plus of KUI vs elvui
wide juniper
I may check out threat as well
sick sentinel
?
burnt fossil
anyone else feel like the rotation is a bit crowded now?
ember arrow
how so?
burnt fossil
with IP /demo on the gcd
seems like i hardly have time for a devastate - not that its a huge problem
burnt fossil
thats hard to get used to
main vault
Yeah lol
burnt fossil
i will say that AM/BV + belt is a heap of fun, though
wide juniper
Yeah, I find I'm spamming TC more than anything now
Never have time for Dev
or rarely
IP seems to almost max out in one use at 60rage
Just found myself redoing all my keybindings to make it a bit easier
main vault
IP is flat 40 rage i thought
round hornet
@sick sentinel I found kui (and tidy) to be much better customizable than elvui + as anotherb onus you dont need to download that entire suite just for nameplates lol
sick sentinel
i like using block and IP standing in middle of packs with 50 adds
4pc is really good lul
well i use elvui @round hornet
round hornet
tbh I mainly switched to KUI for NH
friendly nameplate
but then blizzard gutted that so it probobly doesnt matter
fringe marten
anyone know the option in Threat Plates to have it show the quantity of IP you have, overlayed on the blizzard resource bars under your toon? It shows a tiny blue tick at the end of the HP bar...but not the actual amount of IP overlayed (Kui shows it right)
delicate sequoia
guys
im using that macro for hidden prot appearance
and it returns false for a fucking month now
it cant be that rng? right?
ashen trellis
that doesnt matter
it returned false for me
i walked in. Saw the emote and got it
earnest sand
I ran the two macros and got true, false - walked in, didn't hear the sound/get the emote, and found my prot hidden appearance yesterday. I assume I missed it previously.
fringe marten
must be missing something obvious here..
been using my own wa's for block and charges of shield block but trying to combine and work in the new last stand buff..which I did already. but how do you get a weak aura to hide itself when a condition is present? (the goal is to show an icon when I have 1 or 2 charges of SB...but that icon to be gone if shield block is active)
round hornet
the daily cave thing was just rng took me forever to get it
grim prism
@fringe marten just add a display trigger to the existing WA for the player buff "shield block" and click the "inverse" checkbox (i.e. shield block is not present)
Make sure "all triggers" is selected as well, as opposed to "any triggers"
If that doesnt work then the answer is more complicated, but probably involves that same step at some point
fringe marten
I think the issue is I have to rebuild the one I use to show charges of SB entirely...and have it queue off of the shield block BUFF and not the castable charged spell.
I think that's the problem..I literally can't do it without remaking it
grim prism
Not necessarily
fringe marten
The issue is I want it to display something different for using shield block charges, and when the buff is active...IE I'm having 2 wa's overlaying each other.
grim prism
Try "charges > 0" as one of the triggers
Those two triggers combined means it will only show if you have charges and SB is not active
fringe marten
O.o? this guy..
plain ice
lol wut
sick sentinel
i want buffs right now or i cancel my subscription
sick sentinel
at least they could change back the shield to 90%
grim prism
@fringe marten did that help at all
If not then yeah, baked in triggers can be a bitch
fringe marten
hmm...not quite; I may just be approaching it wrong. I want a WA to show shield block cast charges, then a different timer texture for when SB is active. Everything works fine except when I have 1 charge of SB left, and SB is active..it shows both..
Is there not a way to make a trigger of Hide WA if X is Active?
fringe marten
right..mine is quite a lot atm
grim prism
You can make that as a trigger but you would have to code it yourself
I'm looking into remaking my old package with handwritten triggers so it is easy to manipulate
I can DM you my old ones if you want to see how I did it
It looks nice on the front end but I'm pretty sure it took like 8 individual icons lmao
fringe marten
I have a solution.
gaunt coyote
should I use dilmas or apoc drive?
undone sun
for what purpose
steady cedar
anyone else seeing that medhivs (sp) piercing missles goes through spell reflect now?
steady cedar
holy fuck thats stupid
vivid orchid
thats just how it always worked without the artifact
vivid orchid
ill pretend i didnt see that
coral dew
old night
have fun on squid guy at the end
dude literally bugged out all day
i got deleted with a disintegrate while I was behind him over and over and over
burned a 15 key, fun stuff
old night
yeah no clue
i had done two upper karas on saturday with no problem
last night he was awful. On proudmoore tho and our server has been taking a dump since the pre patch
so could be server side
wise jackal
I miss WoD Gladiator Prot DPS.
steady cedar
i miss anything other than IP on gcd
fringe marten
ah I hadn't done an upper since patch..forgot about that...so SR won't reflect all of piercing missles now; was there anything else like that where the 'reflect all during buff' mattered..or was it just medievh?
Had it like that for so long I forgot that's NOT how spell reflect base worked.
fringe marten
ah yeah...for the most part you tried to lock the imps down anyway...that shouldn't b e too huge
I'm just trying to make sure i'm tanking a larger target right, been spending the last half hour with the greater sparring dummy.
fringe marten
..that thing don't play now...no more tanking it for like 30/40 mins