rumbling earth is nice yea
#protection
strong forum
chrome harbor
And outside another mage tower storm bolt seems odd to choose
strong forum
and stormbolt is nice for a single target stun
junior igloo
Booming Voice gives a lot more rage.
Devastator is higher dps, at least for now with gloves.
muted holly
Anger management is OP @-= )
strong forum
its literally the talent that makes us viable
chrome harbor
Anger management is good because of synergy and lack of competition
muted holly
Gloves?
strong forum
Kakushan legendary
junior igloo
AM is op indeed, which is kinda sad, because it also locks in the other talents that improve cooldowns (they are balanced by themselves, but with AM you get their benefit twice as often), UF, Bolster, BV.
chrome harbor
It’s also adds an interesting element to the warrior class
I think at least
I remember years ago they said that staple talents should become base, I wouldn’t mind seeing that happen to prot at least with AM
slate obsidian
Quick question, how do you guys deal with the treeboss in DhT in higher keys, I barely got it down on 23 running titanguard and belt+SW ring for max CDs and it consumed 2 CRs
warm plinth
Are you using Spell Reflect? It won't be as helpful as before but it's still a free 20% reduction for every grip.
muted holly
usae it often
slate obsidian
ofc, but as you said, you can't just take a grip with SR anymore
and the breath hurts like hell as well
warm plinth
I was just making sure 😃 Probably one of those abilities that should be tuned down now, if you had to use that much to get it down.
slate obsidian
don't know if they tuned anything up on that
slate obsidian
yup, I saw that, no clue how he did it though^^
warm plinth
Is there a video? Might learn something from that.
slate obsidian
if the highest a warr did was like 24/5 I wouldn't have bothered asking 😄
warm plinth
I was actually wondering that myself.
Or if you can leap away and not get grabbed or something like that (though he'd probably still grab you, or at least recast it once you were back in range)
Or worse he'd grab your highest DPS lol
slate obsidian
you can use sth like DoS or smoldering to prevent the throw, but that's it
it shows that he's wearing a 1k aggramars conviction, is that a tooltip error or is there an abuse?
warm plinth
I'm sure it's a tooltip error
slate obsidian
tried asking him but he was afk/busy or didn't want to answer^^
sb here who can translate into french? 😄
junior ivy
i can speak a little french lol
slate obsidian
I managed to get my french friend to do it for me^^
strong forum
thats just how it is
muted holly
but ui supose if ignore pain is up it dont matter
slate obsidian
well, he basically just told me to use SR and CDs as much as possible, that helped alot 😛
muted holly
how do i log into discord it says clai maccount but i already have an account lol
little star
looks like you're already logged into discord
ember arrow
xd
broken kite
@sick sentinel it's you! :D
sick sentinel
😓
junior ivy
whats this iu heard about new old reps?!?
arctic sorrel
I'm sure this is asked. do prot warriors have avatar or what?
junior ivy
yup
arctic sorrel
Im a potato. I dont see it in my talents or my spell book.
I have anger management though
subtle widget
or that
arctic sorrel
let me try that. macro /cast avatar does nothing. spec swapping..
subtle widget
huh, worked for my brother
arctic sorrel
ding ding ding! winner. swapping specs put it in the spell book
go figure. haven';t logged on this toon in a while. thanks discord warriors
subtle widget
I assume it's an issue with the talent becoming a learned spell from leveling, so anyone above the level never "learned it"
and respecing probably forces it to check what spells you should have in your book
arctic sorrel
👍
warm plinth
@muted holly Discord does this weird thing in the web app that will sometimes put you logged in to an unclaimed account. I'm not sure why. If you go to the web app and log out, then log back in with your regular info, you should be good.
strong forum
i asked this yesterday but i dont think i got an answer, what exactly is the benefit of using dx12 over dx11
if anyone knows
junior ivy
who do i talk to in desolace
to get exalted with an old faction
nm i got it
do these new factions have quartmasters?
little star
if u google centaur rep u will find your answer
fallen oyster
is there a bar version of the ignore pain WA in the pins?
junior ivy
does my war mode status affect groups i can join?
junior ivy
thats stupid
strong forum
yea should be forced out of warmode if 1 member isnt in warmode
ember arrow
while waiting for m+
slate obsidian
get rid of them
strong forum
it should literally be you get phased out of warmode if 1 member of your group has disabled it
junior ivy
im gonna find out if my friends are usin war mode or not
strong forum
porting is cancer with having a split party outside raid and being forced to go back to SW
slate obsidian
CATfriends friends are all pussies
junior ivy
ember arrow
yikes
junior ivy
where does it say if hes pvp or not
chrome harbor
That’s from a raid? That looks killer for M+
opaque pagoda
anybody think that maybe SLI took a performance hit in the patch?
muted holly
44k hp
opaque pagoda
frame rate feels a little clunky
spark hamlet
Did we ever figure out whats a good lego to go with the belt for the time being?
timid jay
warm plinth
I thought SLI never really worked that well with WoW. I never noticed a difference personally.
muted holly
can anyone link the armour traits?
spark hamlet
was thinking of sephuz and belt for m+ with shockwave being base line now
muted holly
/p ty for the heals
oak ermine
I actually find the bracers heal quite alot and are rather helpful for m+
they are healing about as much as ignore pain absorbs on average
overall that is
spark hamlet
Hmm belt and wrist combo again i like it as well plus might not feel as soft
oak ermine
yeah did a 23 votw in time earlier wasnt struggling much at all really getting more used to post 8.0 now :p
spark hamlet
I did a 15 upper and had a healer ask what happen to my warrior cause they healed one in a 5 who was struggling with agro and taking all the dmg
candid vine
I think the 50% ignore pain nerf will make us a lot easier to heal
In situations where we actually take a lot of damage
spark hamlet
I really tried to play my DH and monk but I still love my warrior after all these years i know some ppl are putting the monk as the top tank for progress raiding and the DH and DK for m+ but to me the warrior is still just a lot of fun
warm plinth
Then you should absolutely play warrior.
ashen trellis
I'm only using the gloves when I run devastator. If I run booming voice I go wrist. It's working nice for me
junior ivy
dont use devestator
astral crystal
uhh that definitely wasn't my experience
you ever put up SB with your IP, fam? Kappa
warm plinth
If you're speaking from experiences more recently, there wasn't really a time where people wouldn't have IP up unless they just didn't press it.
astral crystal
the meme is returned to us
warm plinth
Especially once you had 2pc T21 and belt. The rage generation, requirement to press IP for Renewed Fury, etc. made it so you pretty much had IP going 99.99% of the time.
sick sentinel
bear?
ember arrow
it actually is
warm plinth
I was referring to Sco's ranking, not my opinion
topaz hedge
Tbh, my warrior feels like shit atm. Constantly GCD locked, gotta not do shit to have time to react and press stuff.
sick sentinel
ahh i think dh then monk for m+ well i didnt played dk in legion and in BfA aswell
warm plinth
I haven't really read up on monk tanks yet for pre-patch/BfA, but unless something changed, Idk why they would be ranked that highly. I know Ox orbs got nerfed. He ranked them high on mitigation just because they still have constant magic mitigation, but considering most tanks don't have shit for magic mitigation, I would think Blizz is going to tune dungeons around a lack of magic defense.
topaz hedge
Stuff did change though
astral crystal
how the hell does monk get a 3/10 in self sustain fam
ember arrow
because they barely got any
warm plinth
Monk got equal self sustain ranking to paladin, which I think is silly
topaz hedge
Stagger does stagger magic damage at a higher rate. So they sort of have the talent
astral crystal
3/10 is a little generous
topaz hedge
Paladin healing is way less since you prob won't be running with the talent to increase the uses
warm plinth
But their magic defense is not higher than before; it's lower. And that's not a good enough reason to rank them that highly. Like I said, I'm sure dungeons will be tuned around the distinct reduction of magic reduction available to tanks.
topaz hedge
and since its on GCD now
fiery remnant
anyone have some weakauras i can use?
ember arrow
so its not the go to
warm plinth
They still have a much higher ability to self-sustain than a monk, regardless.
topaz hedge
Yeah, but arbitrary numbers are arbitrary 😛
astral crystal
gift of the ox is pretty badly nerfed
astral crystal
but really
warm plinth
😉
astral crystal
warrior/pally/monk are essentially in the same spot
ember arrow
its 2.5 points more
warm plinth
As of now, I really think it's gonna be DK/DH fest continues
But we'll see what happens by the time a good number of people are doing M+ at 120
mint owl
dh/dk is clearly the 2 best classes for m+
sick sentinel
i think prot pally and monks going to compete aswell
topaz hedge
warrior/pally/monk are similar, but not equal i would say.
ember arrow
prot pally got best kiting
mint owl
but its nice to see monks getting up there again
sick sentinel
prot and guardian will be lower but 4 other tanks can compete with each other in decent level
warm plinth
Why do you say pally kites better than monk? They still have keg smash snare
sick sentinel
maybe dk and dh will be best but other 2 can go up good
topaz hedge
Guardian gets bad grades cause its not interesting. But its never lost anything really.
Just some dps
ember arrow
and its AM dont interact with grtound anymore
and talent slows adds in ground by 50%
topaz hedge
Pala does interact with consecrate
ember arrow
not their AM
ember arrow
ye its op
warm plinth
DnD snare is pretty hardcore too but not spammable ofc
topaz hedge
I don't think talking bout AM matters 😛
warm plinth
And you lose grip reduction talent
warm plinth
Oh, that's not too bad then; pretty gradual
mint owl
grip cd reduction was overrated anyway, you took the talent for the slow
obsidian crystal
Hey guys. Haven't played Warrior since vanilla. What legendaries would you recommend for leveling Prot in BFA (mainly solo)?
ember arrow
ye the talent was for the slow
and now that dk got Deaths advance
wraith walk isnt needed
@obsidian crystal boots/sephuz secret
obsidian crystal
@ember arrow Thanks mate
warm plinth
Oh shit I took Wraith walk. I forgot they have Death's Advance now D:
sick sentinel
sephuz is good helped alot with belt
obsidian crystal
Yea that's what i was after. All the guides were pointing to tanking ones. Thanks
sick sentinel
i pulled big and destroyed
ember arrow
@warm plinth dk can now ignore roots, slows, snares, stuns, and cant be slowed below 70%
when u use skills at right time
finally they make dks slow but unstoppable
actual classfantasy
warm plinth
Death's Advance works on stuns? Or you mean IBF?
ember arrow
ye i summed up the cc bereaking skills
warm plinth
I just looked at the tooltip; "forced movement" meaning what?
warm plinth
Oh nice
ember arrow
in dht its funny
u walk like its a sunny day on the street
on dresaron
while rest is struggling
warm plinth
Wait what? Winds don't do anything? 😮
warm plinth
That's freaking crazy
warm plinth
Even rage of the sleeper wasn't that awesome :p
I'm guessing that's just during the actual buff of DA though right? Not a passive thing?
ember arrow
IBf breaks and makes immune to stuns
thats buff ye
but passively
u cant be slowed
to less than 70% of ur MS
warm plinth
That's pretty awesome
warm plinth
Yeah that's pretty sick.
ember arrow
its really a great addition
warm plinth
I like that DA is a pretty long duration too, from a movement speed standpoint
warm plinth
Idk though; I think with my typical level of play, warrior will still suit just fine. And it's still fun to me. Did a 14 Vault and I didn't find it difficult at all except the large teeming pull before Tirathon, and that was mostly no one interrupting furies. I ended up finishing the pack off alone XD
ember arrow
typical
prime kernel
was there a bug or shield block no longer mitigates any magic dmg attacks , that should be mitigated (or are supposed to in tooltips) ? -> ofc i know that's what we had IP for before the prepatch
ember arrow
SB metigates melees and magic abilities that are blockable
or soem magic melees (which are rare) like the worms on mistress szazzine
oak ermine
also 20% dr not 50
ember arrow
on 25 sec cd
warm plinth
It's not a nerf though really
ember arrow
other tanks dream of that
warm plinth
Just back to pre-Legion state
warm plinth
😉
ember arrow
ppl eem to forget that
warm plinth
In all seriousness though, that was the one trait I wish had stuck around.
I loved not having my reflect get sniped by some weak ass cast when I was trying to reflect something bigger.
prime kernel
yeah im talking about that magic abilities that are blockable (as it says they're in tooltips) , but for some reason SB was not mitigating some skills it was b4 when i was playing on my prot , or maybe i didint feel the dmg cuz of broken number from IP that we had b4 ;/ meh i dont know now
numbers*
warm plinth
What abilities say they're blockable in the tooltip?
warm plinth
Well, just because an abililty asked for active mitigation doesn't mean it was reduced by Shield Block
warm plinth
For example, Molten Crash was reduced in damage because it passed the AM check, not because you blocked it.
warm plinth
Yeah
prime kernel
well ive been doing some m+ , like mos/NL/lower kara
ember arrow
except in some dungeons
warm plinth
Not sure with Darkstrikes. It might have been blockable shadow melees like Sasz'nine or whatever her name is. But the AM check just prevented the shield.
ember arrow
its blockable
warm plinth
MoS doesn't have anything negated by Shield Block
warm plinth
Dark Slash was always Spell Reflect. Same with bleed on destructors.
prime kernel
remember dragul for sure and horseman , died from shit i was using only SB on b4
warm plinth
Which I imagine you can only reflect one stack now
ember arrow
dargul u use SR
for olten crash
horseman u run away
then he misses u
no need to soak anything
oak ermine
yeah leaping out makes shared suffering so easy to avoid :p
ember arrow
or u literally
alk out at a slow pace
like my dk
horseman using SB does nothing
mortal strike is blockable
but the shared suffering sb is worthless
junior ivy
my addons are being annoying 😦
warm plinth
Are you back up to 832?
junior ivy
noo but addons keep interfering with community stuff
broken kite
time to delete some addons
fiery remnant
does undead male or female look better as prot?
undone sun
subjective, we don't know your tastes
fiery remnant
just whatever shows off gear better
brave quail
junior ivy
i wanna do m+s 😦
hey so i tried hov 19
tyrannical
i said id pull first 2 packs together
so i get first pack
charge into second
and died instantly
what should i have done
wanton sentinel
Have you run high level M+ before? AM up? Last Stand? Impossible to know what you did “wrong” without logs or video; can only offer generic suggestions
junior ivy
highest ive done in time was +20, highest not in time was +22
3069 score
so pretty averagr
e
just trying to get used to the prepatch changes 😦
i feel squishier
brittle timber
@fiery remnant UD females do a cool frontflip on devastate
brittle timber
Devastate is the ability that they kept the original animations on
most specs have something like that
junior ivy
but why only UD females
brittle timber
like...belf males do their back spin thing
ummm....nelf females do a different type of spin...
junior ivy
what do female gnomes do?
brittle timber
old racial animations...idk them all
junior ivy
😦
brittle timber
you can see it in the dressing room...the animation is special1h
junior ivy
nah gnomes dont do cool jumps 😦
brittle timber
yea...it's looks like a rising dragon upppercut w/o a weapon equipped
inland mesa
So they nerfed everything but left antorus still stupid overturned?
junior ivy
is antorus overtuned? im about to pug heroic argus
inland mesa
Mythic felt like reprogression levels and wasn't fun, people getting 1 shot again by things.
cinder nova
I'm not sure this squish was necessary.
jade socket
junior ivy
UM i kinda like whatever is reducing the cd on demo shout
amber siren
AM?
raw echo
guild needs me to tank M dogs and i havnt touched prot since prepatch, quick, halp
winter bone
Am new to protection warrior played a bit before prepatch , it feals now am squishy . How are you using the new ip ? Are you keeping it always up or only if you have extra rage to spend ?
amber siren
You put IP up if you need the damage absorbtion and revenge if it's free or if you need to rage dump
azure dock
how?
i can link screen shots
p2, the laser beam hits me when Im clear across the platform
azure dock
not really the issue here
junior ivy
it was a DHT 19
azure dock
6 pulls of laser beams with a ultimated hit box
junior ivy
but yewah i dunno whats up with upper
azure dock
yeah I trield eveything
got knocked off the platform everytime on the p2 run across
im behind him, still, off the edge
oh derp just read that you wrote DHT 19, not upper 19, thought you did it
wicked salmon
whats avg dps for prot warrior
main vault
Mfw people learn in the prepatch to not get hit by breath
vapid elk
What 2 legendaries should prot Level with?
main vault
Sephuz + Aggramars
round vortex
concensus on M+ trinkets now?
about to get in the drivers seat for first time since patch lol
wicked salmon
?
dense flame
Probably just use diima and pantheon since so much bonus armor from str no?
cinder nova
Honestly
I like how gloves play atm
It gives me a reason to hit devestate
At least on ST
Weaving it in so I can get those thicc 10K TCs.
sick sentinel
Booming voice or Devastator? for Raid Tanking?
main vault
BV
sick sentinel
and im guessing Bolster over Indomitable
broken kite
Always
fiery remnant
what should my haste be?
cinder nova
Don't matter
undone sun
there is no requirement
cinder nova
@undone sun Think Punish is worth for agg/arg?
undone sun
probably not
cinder nova
I wish we had NF back
queen sapphire
Hey tank friends. No questions, just saying hey. Glad you're all here.
ember arrow
👋
fiery remnant
should i take into the fray or punish for a raid?
hot locust
In most cases ITF is better, unless you cant keep it at 2+stacks most of the time.
cinder nova
Depends on the fight
bleak sentinel
HeyGuys waht do you think about sco BFA tank ranking ?
undone sun
ember arrow
craggy furnace
for me as my other tanking character is brewmaster I see a clear difference between the 2.
with the warrior it feels more fragile
especially if you get hit without shieldblock up
craggy furnace
And die by a skill of the boss then
for me with Felhounds with monk I could keep them stacked whole fight now after patch
with warrior no way
ember arrow
because an overtuned raidboss from previous expansion is the best way to compare classes
forbfa
craggy furnace
if 1 class can do it without much of an issue and the other can not says enough
main vault
No it doesnt
craggy furnace
I just hope things balance out at 120 with the new azerite armor
main vault
Comparing classes built for 120 at 110 always makes for accurate assessments
craggy furnace
see my message above yours ....
craggy furnace
Well lets see at the moment I would not say the prot warrior is not in a good position if it stays like this
main vault
They gave us toolkits based on BFA damage profiles and content, so it won't be a good representation in Legion content
You can't compare BFA classes when doing Legion, scaled content
craggy furnace
like they did in legion and how many prot warriors cleared mythic
ember arrow
yikes
main vault
A ton of Prot warriors cleared mythic
main vault
Are you intentionally memeing?
craggy furnace
on progress, it was all druids, monks, DKs
main vault
There are only 1500 fewer prot parses than monk
Druid and DK we're the only stacked classes the rest are fairly even
Argus is the only boss that skewed that
craggy furnace
So let me ask you this then how things are now you feel the warrior is in line with the other classes ? have you even played as them?
I have all tanking classes maxed and tanked on them all and I feel a large difference between them
some clearly better
main vault
I've tanked at least a 10 on 4 classes and an 8 on the other 2
Yes there is a difference, but that isn't the issue
amber siren
There's going to be some disparity ofc but none you can tell by tanking antorus with 120 scaling with 110 stats and legendaries
main vault
Your argument was there's a difference because hounds felt better
craggy furnace
no
ember arrow
yea
craggy furnace
that was my example
main vault
Don't just come in here spewing bullshit and expect people to stay quiet
ember arrow
you said we get wrecked withotu SB, then said felhounds
chilly brook
The biggest difference between all the other tanks and Warrior is that Warrior got cucked with the GCD
craggy furnace
yes
chilly brook
Barely affects druids
undone sun
wrong
amber siren
I mean paladin with hotp GCD doesn't feel good either
chilly brook
doesn't touch monks at all
undone sun
every tank got affected heaivly
undone sun
hotp on gcd is massive
Fr on gcd is also massive
chilly brook
TBH hardly notice FR being on the GCD seeing as most of the time it's not worth using unless your healers are slacking
Gotta have a fairly sizeable chunk missing to actually prevent overhealing
Bristling Fur though? You notice that shit
Bottom line though is the GCD changes have no real rhyme or reason and are complete bullshit
Especially when some classes don't have to worry about it
glares at monks
undone sun
chilly brook
If I'm being honest if they took the current t21 4 set bonus and rolled it into warrior baseline I wouldn't even mind IP being on the GCD
main vault
Monks and VDH definitely feel it the least
chilly brook
That's assuming you don't receive any external heals
main vault
As weak as IP is it doesn't matter if it's on the gcd or not
And with current mitigation uptime the days of IP all the time are over
undone sun
that's a brief interaction we wont see for a long time
chilly brook
I'm not implying we'll have it at 120....
main vault
Legion does not matter at all. Classes do not play right now like they will
IP feels strong because it isn't intended for 110
chilly brook
I'm just saying if they baked it into the class I really wouldn't care about it being on the GCd it would feel like it was worth using at that point
main vault
It sure doesn't feel strong when you press it and it does 10%
ember arrow
strong?
chilly brook
10%?
main vault
That's about how much of your hp the absorb is
chilly brook
Not with current interaction.....
main vault
In BFA it is
chilly brook
Which is what I'm talking about
main vault
Current interaction doesn't matter though that's the point
chilly brook
My guy
I'm not talking about what it is at 120
I'm simply saying IT WOULD BE NICE if t21 4 piece got baked in somewhere
Reading comprehension is hard
undone sun
it would also be nice if devastator wasn't shit
it would also be nice if ip wasn't shit
it would also be nice if ......
chilly brook
Literally the only thing I said was it would be nice and dumbass over here starts talking about something completely unrelated
ember arrow
🤔
main vault
the unrelated part of sitting here talking about Legion mechanics on BFA toons
You cant be this stupid
chilly brook
Clearly you are
fringe marten
Have the bonuses that are going to be on the legion..? Necklace thing...been released?
main vault
Why stop there. It would be nice if they fixed the rage change by making T19 baseline
@fringe marten What do you mean by bonuses? The traits?
fringe marten
Yeah the 'new' relic weapon essentially
main vault
the neck itself doesnt have bonuses
fringe marten
it unlocks them on other pieces of armor right?
main vault
Yes
fringe marten
..similar deal
main vault
Yeah, most classes only have 1-3 that are worth looking at
cinder nova
BFA might be WOD 2.0
cinder nova
I mean so far they've been talking it up big with a lot of huge lore swings
fathom marten
No way can't be that bad
fathom marten
You just have ptsd from it
main vault
Its ok I have a feeling itll be equally as bad
Like Im not excited about BFA really at all
cinder nova
I think the biggest issue for me atm is that they promised Azerite gear could change our entire playstyle
And it doesn't
lol
It's obviously rushed
Just like WoD is obviously rushed.
main vault
Tbf WOD wasnt rushed
fathom marten
I never got the feelings it was washed. I just got the feeling they didn't know what to do next
main vault
It just had such shit reception they cut alot out
fathom marten
rushed*
chilly brook
Should have kept legendaries and just not have a retarded way of acquiring them
fringe marten
I liked WoD ..but I also skipped years of wow's tiers, I played in vanilla...then come back briefly to see Pandaria...then played a good amount in WoD solo (just did heroic raiding in pugs) then played in a 'normal' fashion in Legion.
fathom marten
^^
fringe marten
They were never going to keep legendaries, they proved to be nothing but a headache for devs. Anything like that gets scrapped
main vault
They were a horrid idea
chilly brook
Plenty of people disagree
fathom marten
Well I like leggos but I just didn't like the rng bs way to get them
fringe marten
Not really they're a very neat idea, but they should have been acquirable through like questing..so you had your complete list of legendaries. and classes and content can be balanced around the assumption you had all of them. Instead of balanced around the assumption that you likely have none.
chilly brook
Items were fine, acquisition was bad
ember arrow
it was balanced around having them
thats why if u had not the bis ones
u got fucked
fringe marten
Yes but not having 'specific' ones...which is why things like the warrior healing bracers gave us sustainability that might not have been intended.
main vault
The old system of having legendaries the raid worked toward was much more "legendary"
chilly brook
Which is why you have to draw the distinction between the item and what they actually did and how you acquired them
main vault
Any system of "everyone gets one" is pointless
chilly brook
I mean you don't have to call them "legendaries"
fringe marten
No the bis ones just gave the class the performance that the community 'expected' or was pushing for.
chilly brook
And they certainly lead to a lot of customization and optimization for different content and situations
something people have been clammoring for for god knows how long
fringe marten
The problem with this and every other mmo I've ever played is that class balance is not the MOST pressing thing for developers to tackle. (and it never will be) So the player base is constantly unhappy with various interations of their classes due to grass is greener syndrome.
chilly brook
Used quite a few tbh especially in M+
fringe marten
And developers use their own internal tools to judge classes, IE stats gained from a huge slice of the player base where terrible players get averaged in with strong players, and their view of class balance is not accurate.
fringe marten
Again..the utility/mobility/etc legendaries..they're fine...simply give access to all legendaries so you can build around the assumption everyone has BiS stuff all the time. Instead of finding out "oh noes..fire mage op..gotta' nerf that bracer.."
main vault
Or make it a talent lol
fringe marten
Or "hey no one uses the breastplate with the bonus to intercept for warriors..let's change that.."
chilly brook
Our talents have been gutted enough or replaced with legendary affects already and that's not the ideal
Like Dadugan said it's best to have things like the item but actually have a much better way of acquiring them
fringe marten
However their 'content release schedule' demanded a breakneck pace of them trying to work on and roll out new content. Which means new problems will get piled on top of old ones faster than they fix them. I don't blame them they're trying to keep the game exciting and keep people subscribing and playing.
All that boils down to is that some classes will have balancing issues that will remain untouched for too long. IE when it came time for tank balancing their LITERAL response to why they wouldn't nerf bears was "people are too used to relying on the class" literally..they said that. Because the top guilds were relying on bears to progress and tank...nearly every guild was; and they were afraid it would stagnate progress and cause more whining to be leveraged at them.
You gotta' admire the fact that they at least admitted they were too lazy to fix an overpowered class...because everyone was using it and they didn't want to deal with the fallout from it.
chilly brook
If only they'd admit that the GCD changes are retarded and they know it
main vault
Idk after playing with then for the last 4ish months, they arent THAT bad
fringe marten
Well...IP was good because you could keep filtering it into your rotation while doing everything else. Having it on gcd AND it being a weaker version of itself means you're not halting every other action to put up a ...kinda' crappy active mitigation mechanic. ? so it needs to be off gcd or more powerful.
main vault
theres a few things that still bugs me but thats it
chilly brook
Avatar feels shit on GCD
main vault
IP is only meant to be something you push if you cant push anything else
chilly brook
Dunno if IP is actually worth touching outside of dumping rage
main vault
I mean we may not like it, but its doing what it is intended to do
chilly brook
If it's gonna take a GCD it SHOULD be worth it
fringe marten
yup. ...hitting heroic throw, charge, avatar...and them having to MASH demo shout to get it up before you actually start into your active mit rotation and dps...feels super clunky at best..when it used to be an effortless opener (if you even had avatar before)
fringe marten
it's fine..when you're doing your normal rotation but during your opener and you're trying to get a lot of gcd's out fast to dig into the encounter...it feels really crappy; where it used to be just fine.
fringe marten
What I don't like now is how starved we feel for shield block at certain times.
chilly brook
But I still hate it
fringe marten
Did a 19 HoV, and took some uncomfortable spikes from hymdall because after 2x shield block, last stand, 2x shield block.....there's a huge gap with no shield block.
chilly brook
It's like you take a pay cut at your job and then change your budget and be like "well it's not THAT bad"
fringe marten
if IP is going to mitigate half damage..and only small amounts...shield block is even MORE important. To have gaps in it that large is trashy
chilly brook
I honestly liked the first iteration of IP they came back with in beta
chilly brook
12 sec CD with no absorb cap
fringe marten
The 4pc bonus occassionally spiking up to insane amounts of IP is going to simply be gone soon, so that doesn't even count.
fringe marten
Of course I used all of our abilities.
main vault
You can get almost 100% mitigation coverage at 20% haste
chilly brook
"Did you turn it off? Did you unplug it and plug it back in?"
fringe marten
The point being if shield block is even more critical now we shouldn't hit times when we can have a complete lack of it (minus 30~% passive block) for more than a few seconds.
steep condor
Because I took a 10 year break from wow I still hesitate to use cooldowns. They used to have a 30 minute cooldown haha 😃 It's the single biggest thing i have to change in my game
especially with talents like bolster
main vault
lol
main vault
times are changing lol
fathom marten
Yeah def not a fan of the last stand thing
slate obsidian
why not? it feels like a much more versatile CD now
rapid trench
If im using it on cd its not particularly versatile is it
fiery remnant
lmao
fathom marten
Well the way it is now is because it has to be like this since IP is trash
It's not like they made the tool in itself better to help us overall. They made it better because they made something else worse.
main vault
Its perceived as worse, when in reality its just a smaller part of our mitigation
People are looking at IP like its supposed to be some spammable, large mitigation, and it just isnt
fringe marten
It is worse compared to how it was...it's still a useful part of our defensive rotation.
main vault
It is worse
And Id argue Legion was a worse version since it was so strong
And thats the reason everyone in here is so sad about it
It shouldnt have been that strong in Legion
fathom marten
I guess I'm in the minority here because I liked how IP worked in legion. I admit it became really strong but now its just ....yuck
fringe marten
It was for a month, then they took 30% off it...weakened us for 2 raid tiers, realized how much they damaged the class..and reversed 2/3 of that nerf.
fathom marten
and to top it off.. they make up for it by making last stand a halfway rotation mit ...meh
rapid trench
Just make pressing ip do something other than waste a gcd for a kinda bad shield
fringe marten
Towards the end of legion with various set bonuses it got the point where we were flooded with rage and could be constantly dropping 60 rage IP's, and it became a strong mitigation tool again..finally.
main vault
Which it shouldnt have been
fringe marten
And it was off gcd...you were just tapping IP whenever you wanted.
main vault
When your secondary mitigation is better than your primary, thats a problem
nocturne herald
Did you guys lookt the azerite tiers at the Uldir Set Pieces. One of them gave IP with Lifesteal
fringe marten
Why..not? Are we supposed to have one viable active mitigation ability?
onyx vessel
technically IP isnt active mitgation
main vault
Im not saying from a strength standpoint it wasnt good
Im saying playstyle and mechanics in the game
onyx vessel
they making it less auto pilot
fringe marten
It's a pretty disgusting thing when warriors are so conditioned to suck when we have something good people apologize for it.
onyx vessel
cuz that is what it felt like in late legion
fringe marten
I'm not interested in other tanks being good, I want warriors to be vanilla again..and be the ONLY good tank. and every other tank to delete themselves.
main vault
Sunder Armor was so fun to hit 354138138513816381 times in a row
onyx vessel
not^
fringe marten
That's how gameplay was before devastator
where you were fluttering devastate non stop
ember arrow
no
onyx vessel
only reason warriors were good is cuz pallies were unplayable
ember arrow
???
fathom marten
I'm actually not as doom and gloom as you guys are about this but I seriously hate the idea the way LS is being played. It feels like they nerfed the living hell out of IP and was like uhhh where do we make this up... lets just buff LS and they g2g
onyx vessel
shield barrier?!
fringe marten
Levko before Tclap and revenge had a chance to reset shield slam...devastate was the only ability that did it. When Heavy Rep was the go to talent...we were fluttering devastate permanently if not hitting something more important.
fringe marten
But anyway that's just a tangent...my point being that warriors are constantly clawing upward finding ways to compete with other tanks. ANY TIME warrior is the top tank it lasts like 1 or 2 weeks.
onyx vessel
only in super early prog it matters
onyx vessel
and even in hard pushing keys warrior are still solid
most ranking is hating on lack of healing we have in bfa
which if you remember all of wariors we never had true healing
fringe marten
Not the point; everyone should wish they played a warrior..always. From the start of WoW to now..I've had 1 toon on my account, although it's changed factiions a couple times. One toon..One spec...forever. You aren't allowed to have alts..and you can't sellout and go FOTM tank.
onyx vessel
boring
fathom marten
That's a pretty dogmatic approach
ember arrow
every person that considers themselves a good tank player must have multiple tanks
fathom marten
^
main vault
^
onyx vessel
atleast 2
fringe marten
Of course it's boring...of course I get burnt out on pulling people through M+ and stuff..doesn't matter. You do it.
main vault
If you only paly one, you are only limiting yourself to being weaker
fringe marten
So you're telling me ..that you can play 2 toons at once in an encounter?
onyx vessel
reported
main vault
I can play all the tanks so I know how they play, strengths, weaknesses
fringe marten
I used to do that in everquest a decade ago.
main vault
And I know how it interacts with my tank
fringe marten
Doesn't matter; you can only bring 1 tank to a fight...whatever one you're playing.
ember arrow
so u pick the one that fits best
fathom marten
^
fringe marten
And your job is to find a way to make your warrior work in every encounter; not log in another character that's better suited for it.
fathom marten
There's alwasy going to be a tank thats better
main vault
How do you get a working knowledge of all tanks if you dont play any of them?
fathom marten
It's just not possible for everything to be completely balanced
onyx vessel
^
fringe marten
Of course; but you smash your face into your desk and be stubborn and keep playing warrior.
(thrav I've mentioned that before..there will never, EVER be perfect parity class balancing..not possible)
ember arrow
i love warrior as much as the next guy, and want hm to be good, but i wont be pushing a seat 25 with him
fringe marten
Then you don't push a seat 25...or you find a way for your warrior to do it.
fathom marten
So idk why you would want to take that black and white aspect of ONLY playing one tank class.
ember arrow
being a burden to my group isnt exactly optimal
especially if i can do something about it
main vault
He is ok crippling his play, simple as that
fringe marten
Whenever I play any mmo, I choose a role I want to play...I pick the toon. I never change.
ember arrow
i understand your loyalty and passion towards warr, but you are jsut limiting yourself, unless youdont do content where it matters
main vault
That isnt a good thing
fringe marten
No..you started X game, you picked Y class...that's what you play. period.
main vault
You cant be a great Warrior if you dont know the other classes too
fathom marten
I met a guy with that exact same personality on mmo champ forums
onyx vessel
levko pls we know you have no life with prob 6 or more characters at 260ish
fringe marten
No I don't...I did up to 22's and such previously...when it got to the point where another tank was basically needed...I just didn't go further.
ember arrow
got 3 tonks
main vault
I have all 6 at 245+
fringe marten
Nexii..you can know the other classes just fine through self education and group play; I don't have to play a mage to know how double ice lance works.
ember arrow
dk war pala
main vault
You cant learn everything just by reading
ember arrow
same way u only know encounters really after soem pulls
fathom marten
It's just with that view, in an competitive mmo, you'll be unhappy most of the time.
fringe marten
If another class has something that I need to know about; i'll learn it because I need to...because it effects me in some way.
main vault
Its ignorant to think you can
fringe marten
I'm always unhappy...it doesn't matter.
fringe marten
I wanted to quit raiding months before my guild finally stopped and fell apart....but I kept showing up, kept tanking..did my job.
ember arrow
but legion thats what it was
main vault
having blind loyalty is a fault not a strength
ember arrow
dadugan, sounds liek a break from wow is needed
fringe marten
I had a 6 month break, not entirely sure why I'm coming back.
onyx vessel
i only play warrior but i dont push anything major
fathom marten
Yeah I can't really take him seriously. Seems very close minded.
onyx vessel
cuz filthy casual
ember arrow
if your unhappy playing a game, that is optional, its best to drop it
main vault
lol nothing wrong with being a filthy casual if thats what you choose
onyx vessel
wait wow is a game WTF
fringe marten
It's very simple thrav; when I start an mmo I choose a role I'm going to play...that is MY role, my class..that's IT. period.
main vault
You keep saying that
ember arrow
y tho
main vault
It doesnt make it sound better
steep condor
i have a reallyu dumb question
ember arrow
you dont get bonuses for having 1 class
steep condor
i mean REALLY dumb
ember arrow
ask away
main vault
Oh thisll be good
steep condor
gulp
fringe marten
I played an ogre warrior in EQ for 13 years, a ranger in EQ2 for 7 years...etc. I don't role alts...you just don't. that's weak. You've said "I'm bored with this..I want something different.." then go play another game.
main vault
Weak is playing only 1 class
ember arrow
having alts is not only for viability
main vault
And limiting yourself
ember arrow
it also keesps u playing game longer without burn outs
even if all u do is questing
surely its fun spicing it up
fringe marten
If you can't push through burnout you're just weak.
fathom marten
lmfao
ember arrow
i think
fathom marten
its weak to roll alts
fathom marten
I'm done
steep condor
so shield block mitigates physical damage right? do you save your IP's for magic damage or do you use it to further mitigate physical damage too? or what?
fathom marten
You have to be trolling at this point
warm blade
Can we talk about literally anything else besides Dugan's 1 character choice.
fathom marten
^
fringe marten
No..I did. if I can hate the game, but keep logging in when I'm supposed to and do my job...why can't everyone else?
main vault
Who is weaker? A player who can clear mythic on only 1 toon, or a player that can clear on multiples?
fringe marten
Rendang yes block is for physical (generally) only...there are..very few blockable magic damage abilities. Generally speaking it's physical strikes only.
ember arrow
it doesn metigate physical dmg per se
steep condor
so what do you use IP for if you have a block up
ember arrow
jsut melees and blockable physical abilities
fringe marten
Yes..there are physical 'spells' that aren't blockable as well.
main vault
You only use IP for rage dump
ember arrow
it wont reduce dmg from Horn of valor for example, which is physical
steep condor
ok
main vault
Or for very minorly reducing magic
fringe marten
It's generally melee attacks, and only in a cone in front of you.
ember arrow
was not a dumb question at all tbh
steep condor
so use shield block on cooldown.. and then when i have excess rage dump in to IP?
main vault
no dont use on CD
steep condor
i was using IP jsut before a boss did an ability thinking it would help me lol
main vault
You want to bridge other abilities between SBlock to get max coverage
steep condor
so dont shield block and IP at same time.. do one or the other to extend coverage
main vault
More like
onyx vessel
use last stand with talent bolster to fill in gaps when you have no shield block charges
ember arrow
or for unblockable abilities
onyx vessel
if you run it
main vault
If you know a blockable raid mechanic is coming up and you only have one charge, use something like Demo for the white hits and SBlock for the mechanic
ember arrow
as nexii said, u dump rage in to IP
SB is smt to keep track of
IP alone wont do much vs tankbusters
so its best used as a rage dump in additin to your cds
onyx vessel
we have alot of cds to use
ember arrow
warr cant take hits and be like "oh shit let me recover real quick"
with IP not being a second healthbar anymore, the margin of error got smaller i think
main vault
.>
onyx vessel
good point
onyx vessel
good ol timewalking with 100k absorb in warth dungeons
i think you wouldnt run without belt
it is kinda stupid in m+
main vault
Gotta learn to leave Legion sometime
onyx vessel
atleast we dont have that shit artifact ability
never used it
lel
to be fair there isnt too much good legos for prot warrior right now other then belt
ember arrow
Nf was broken if it worked
onyx vessel
meh
ember arrow
Not meh
hollow veldt
Hey guys is it worth to drop the t21 2 piece for the legendary gloves ?
main vault
Well assuming he only has 2 if he didn't say 4
strong forum
NF was crit block, LS is block
strong forum
i surely wont miss NF
fresh dragon
as much as blizz hates warrior im quite happy
strong forum
im content
main vault
I hated War in Legion
fresh dragon
i used NF oftern
main vault
I actually like how it is in BFA
fresh dragon
to reset SB cd or in Argus MM for scyte
strong forum
i used NF only when i had no block up + not enough rage for Revenge + TC on CD + SS on CD
so hardly ever
cosmic cargo
so the aoe of this spec with devastator and gloves feels pretty broken
silver bobcat
Hey guys, I'll get build from IcyVeins, but for M+ what would be best leggys?
I guess it will all become obsolete soon, but still. Got sephuz from random and can choose one now.
cosmic cargo
depends what you are going for
for dps gloves + something else
for survivability yeah belt is king
strong forum
Belt is 100% for everything
cosmic cargo
belt does nothing for dps
strong forum
what
cosmic cargo
with devastator
strong forum
who plays devastator in m+
silver bobcat
Thanks then, will go for belt!
fresh dragon
frost dmg enchant?
strong forum
thats why you use oldschool weapons
ember arrow
i got 2000 minutes
jade tartan
so its not AoE dmg, its not AoE threat
strong forum
no
jade tartan
its only having no self heal capacities
strong forum
yea and maybe some utility
jade tartan
like grip or chain sigil ?
fiery pendant
if we had a talent that gave us leggo bracers we'd be so fkin good
fiery pendant
between that, decently low CD last stand heal with bolster and AM and our mitigation i think we'd be fine
not that its the case :/
maybe not quite as good as dk/dh, but probably close
strong forum
2.5k overall dps... mh decentish i think for hov +14
melee on fucking 2nd place
feels so weird
merry cave
Bracers are still great even with lower rage gen
In m+ at least
I got rid of the gloves for them, gloves are shit now
silk mortar
When did they change the t21 2p?
strong forum
like 2-3 days ago
fickle geyser
diima does frost dmg?
ember arrow
yes it says in its description
subtle fable
Bracers belt is what I'm using