protection

[main vault]

Yeah

16k world

"Plus"

[sturdy willow]

took them almost 2 months between ad heroic agra and heroic argus kill

[little star]

what is wowplus?

[sturdy willow]

exactly

[main vault]

The GMs names tho, crisp

[sturdy willow]

it is a really big meme as of recent

[main vault]

He is on point with that

[ember arrow]

They didnt beat hc bosses in legion so they must drag all players down

[main vault]

I mean they beat all the HC bosses

[sturdy willow]

@little star wowplus is a website that is claiming its gonna be the next icy veins or class discord, to find guides on, but every one of there guides is terrible

[main vault]

Just not mythic

[fringe marten]

? whom?

[velvet steppe]

noxic v2 then

[sturdy willow]

not even noxxic v2

[coarse jay]

what the fuck is going on here

[sturdy willow]

noxxic was ok for awhile

[main vault]

They are so bad Noxxic looks like EJ in 2010

[velvet steppe]

wow

[little star]

ok i guess i was asleep the day ppl found about this

[sturdy willow]

you didnt miss much

[fringe marten]

Found out about what?

[velvet steppe]

first i've heard of it too

[sturdy willow]

because they are getting no traction

there guide writers are nothing but defensive when u ask questions

[little star]

if they are that bad its a good thing

[main vault]

He tries to say they aren't guides, but "class discussion" on "another way to play"

[sturdy willow]

and they have no logic behind most of what they say

[main vault]

And that the elitists in Discord can't control the game

[coarse jay]

elitists fml

[amber siren]

Wowplus is the anti-vax equivaleent of theorycrafting

[ember arrow]

To bring out the big guns

[amber siren]

Alternative damage exdee

[sturdy willow]

wowplus is gonna be like the occupy movement, they are just gonna get laughed at for awhile and disappear

[main vault]

I tried to leave a comment on his website, which btw they screen so only the ones they approve get posted

He found me on discord and messaged me about it

[broken kite]

are the current K values available anywhere?

[sturdy willow]

wait the scensor the comment?

[main vault]

Yeah
\

Mine never got posted

[sturdy willow]

i thought u were just talking to him because u found him lol

[main vault]

Nope, it started cause I commented on one of those update posts on his main page how shit the work he did was

So he found me on Discord

[ember arrow]

Off to the gulag with u

[sturdy willow]

its like that guild that said they were gonna beat method

[main vault]

Serenity?

[sturdy willow]

and didnt finish the tier

[main vault]

lulz

[sturdy willow]

the wildstar guys

remember that crap?

[main vault]

I member them

[sturdy willow]

i forget the name

[main vault]

you member

I member

Cause WS raiding was harder

[undone sun]

Invective

[sturdy willow]

oh hey

its @undone sun

hy buddy

[main vault]

I really wish that game had taken off, I loved leveling in WS

[undone sun]

[main vault]

Yes! Invective

[sturdy willow]

havent pinged u in a few days

so @undone sun hi

[undone sun]

It's was a peaceful few days

[ember arrow]

Hehe

[sturdy willow]

thyme you know what wasnt a few peaceful days? argus reprog !!!!

now come back to me bby

[ember arrow]

Avatar + still best aoe dps right

[fringe marten]

I hope they add the shield slam damage boost to last stand if you have the shield block talent spec'd. It makes me want to still cast shield block while it's up lol.

[ember arrow]

U do cast sb

Its just tc is used every other gcd pty much

Ss

[cinder nova]

He's talking about LS's block. It doesn't give SS the 30%

[little star]

any1 know if the dispel glyph for shield slam will be coming back anytime soon?

[fringe marten]

If you have last stand running you would only cast SB for the boost to damage on shield slam, otherwise a waste....I hope they add the damage boost to last stand 100% block.

[ember arrow]

Oh it doesnt?

[fringe marten]

nope

[ember arrow]

Ohhhhh

[fringe marten]

I tested it earlier.

[cinder nova]

Honestly I wish LS increased the duration of your shield block per use when you have bolster

That'd be more engaging.

[fringe marten]

It..kind of IS extending the duration of shield block LOL

that's really it's utility now

Burn 2x charges of shield block...hit last stand as block fades.

I see what you mean though.

[main vault]

It really is the same

[fringe marten]

Not quite...what he's suggesting would alter how you'd use it...you'd literally use it instantly..on cd, every single time. Unless you were timing blocks to specific boss mechanics.

and it would give the shield slam damage bonus a longer window

[main vault]

you will want to try to use it on CD unless you need it for a specific mechanic

[fringe marten]

You'd probably use 1 charge...pop it...have the second charge be extended to wrap around to the first charge coming back...then the first charge extending until the second refreshed again...etc.

[main vault]

since it has such a short cd with Bolster you dont want to lose a use

[fringe marten]

But as it stands now..you just burn your block charges..then use it when block fades.

[main vault]

It would only change how the mechanic is done, wouldnt really change the defensive coverage

[fringe marten]

Warrior doesn't feel a ton different other than feeling 'slower' due to everything being on gcd. What I hate is my opener...trying to get avatar off first, then demo shout...feels so clunky due to them on gcd. You can slide in shield block once you have the 30 rage at least.

since it's still off gcd.

and ATM we have to wait until our 4pc bonus is done maxing out our IP before casting another, or you'll kill all the bonus IP.

[little star]

in m+ i avatar just before i go in since thats a gcd where u would take the most damage and not have anything up

[fringe marten]

aye...but since IP only blocks 50% damage now..even if you're covered up in IP (like most M+ trash pulls) you're still taking 50% damage

But that whole dynamic will disappear in BFA proper...so...? bleh

[little star]

you probably wont be getting IP up in bfa until atleast the 5th/6th gcd

[fringe marten]

oh hell no...Avatar, (probably take a hit....hit shield block) Demo shout, Shield block (if not already up) Now use the 40 rage from demo shout for your first IP

and I try and hit avatar while charging in but it's? so clunky feeling...does charge feel weird to you guys now?

I used to always try and use a mouseover/target macro for heroic throw..charge (same time as throw) and then start in with gcd's..

but it's like you can't use a gcd until charge is done casting? it feels odd

[little star]

intercept is on the cgd

that'll be why

[fringe marten]

well..that 'is' charge'

right but it's a short .5 sec gcd.

and I swear you can't pop avatar until it's DONE casting...IE you've arrived at your target.

maybe I'm just slow and suck at this game.

[little star]

it is on the 1.5s gcd

[fringe marten]

isit? hmm

[main vault]

charge isnt a 1.5 gcd

[fringe marten]

I'm gonna' change a keybind and see how quickly I can spam the 2 together.

[amber siren]

it's .5 gcd

100%

[little star]

ok fair enough, i can't login to double check atm

[amber siren]

i can't believe this fake news

[fringe marten]

yeah I thought so

I read it was on .5

anyway swapped the place of abilities trying it now.

btw anyone else kinda' hype to have a legit raid CD?

ok cool...just made the mouse keybinds a bit more friendly to my thumb...can get the avatar off while charging in....I was just being slow by having my thumb move further before.

[main vault]

Raid CD is nice

Im honestly excited about having so many defensives

Makes me actually think of maining War

[cedar turret]

guys, I had an awesome wa script that showed a castbar of a target and if the spell is interruptible (greenbar), interruptible but pummel on cd (orange bar) and non-interruptible (red bar). Anyone knows where I can find it again?

[winged marsh]

i have one that just says the words Interrupt on your screen if what your targetting is casting an interuptable spell and you have pummel up

little simpler than yours, but I can send it to you if you want

[main vault]

Yeah tons of WA like that ^, thats what I use

[cedar turret]

thing is the one I used had also the description of the spell casted with a litle picture

I have have a verison but i messed a orund with the dynamic triggers and cant get it to woprk anymore

I think i found it in an old warr guide here

ah well i screwed up, thx though

[merry cave]

Anyone know of the top of their heads, those 1h polearms that were in beta for a while did they get reverted back to being 2h ?

[main vault]

Well theres no such thing as a 1H polearm

So probably a bug

[merry cave]

Well there was such a thing for quite a while on the beta and it looked awesome 🤔 🤔 🤔

[main vault]

Not saying you are wrong, just was saying it doesnt exist in live game

[broken kite]

lol just tried to tank a 20 lower kara

throw coin does 18k damage = )

[merry cave]

Just roll cds with block and IP up. You'll be right

Or have healer invis down and res :)

[broken kite]

yeah uh

coins arent blockable

[jagged bay]

is the cos ring which increases our autoattack damage decent for us now?O_o

[merry cave]

No they're not but there's plenty of mobs auto attacking if your doing the proper pulls there so all damage reduction helps :)

[sick sentinel]

@broken kite it’s you 🤔

[eager nymph]

I'm leveling a second warrior for funzies, but Im level 54, and I noticed avatar isnt in my spellbook at all. Not in the learned section or the unlearned section.

oh wait nvm switching specs to arms and then back to prot made it show up

[ember arrow]

👌

[sour wigeon]

roughly how big is a single cast of IP at 120? percent health wise

[main vault]

10% ish

On my 354 War at least

[spark hamlet]

ok are we really that squshie or is it bad players?\

[fossil basalt]

no blue post still

tanking is dull

damn ignore pain useless

and fuck that gcd

[main vault]

If you are expecting a blue post you are going to have a large wait

[sour wigeon]

ty for reponse nexii! that feels pretty bad tho

[spark mortar]

So what are folks go-to for Legendaries now in the wake of the 8.X update?

Sorry - I'm a little late to the party here, been out on a business trip.

[vague belfry]

are we gonna be trash in m+ like everyone is saying? or have they just not tested a geared warrior

[little star]

we will be fine for m+

[primal crypt]

@vague belfry you'll be able to complete your weekly chest don't worry

[strong forum]

typically IP at 120 is around 13% give or take 1-2%

depending on trinkets and vers

i've got 144k ap and my absorb is 21k

[little star]

does IP scale with dmg taken since pre patch like it did before?

[strong forum]

so thats a little over 15% if i mathed right

[little star]

i dont think it did when i did my keys this weej

[strong forum]

IP scales with AP and vers

[topaz ridge]

I just figured I can't solo CoS M anymore 😠

[little star]

ok but not dmg taken in last 5 seconds like before

[strong forum]

it never was

you must confuse that with BDK

[cloud bone]

is ignore pain uptime going to go up or down?

[strong forum]

down, depends on playstyle aswell

[cloud bone]

ok

[strong forum]

if you play purely defensively you will hardly use revenge and spam IP when you get the chance

if you play offensively you dont use it a lot

so its all about playstyle and situational use

[cloud bone]

gotcha

[junior ivy]

i find it so hard to get used to not spammking revenge

😦

[earnest sand]

Put it on a different keybind

[junior ivy]

i dont even keybind i click

lol

[gritty cipher]

hi guys, may i ask you in wich spot do u think protection warriors will be in Bfa for m+? Thank you all

[topaz ridge]

I really don't care. I play prot warrior for fun

[junior ivy]

^^

[sick sentinel]

Prot warrior will be trash, complete trash

You must unequip all items from other tanks to be able to compete

And even then

[cloud bone]

complete garbage 😛

[sick sentinel]

It might not be enough

In all fairness, you have 3 options:

1. Play it regardless because it is fun (a priori)
2. Wait for Sco's ranking and decide upon that
3. Play all tank specs and then chose the one you like the most (a posteriori)

[undone sun]

2 shouldn't be valid for the majority of the player base

[spark mortar]

So what are some of the better War Mode talents we're using now?

[amber siren]

Unless you're doing world first mythic raid pushes

Sco doesn't apply to you

[junior ivy]

^^^

i wish people would understand that

every spec is perfectly viable for cutting edge, 4k io scores, etc

the vast majority of people are not gonna be getting world firsts or 6k io scores

so who cares? play what you like..

[main vault]

Literally only applies to 4 people, and none of them are you lol

[ember arrow]

i thought he was memeing

[balmy narwhal]

I dunno about you guys, but if you know how to play and use ur defensives correctly, you are gonna be an amazing tank with warrior. We might not have self healing but we are a freaking turtle

I have a 250 warrior and a 251 dk

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy i think ( not 100% sure) #1 raider io had like 7k score

[junior ivy]

yeah there was a 7k person

[balmy narwhal]

warriors baseline armor is higher and with shield block up u take waaaaaay less damage

[junior ivy]

but doesnt change my point. most people arent even gonna reach 3k

[balmy narwhal]

magic damage is another story but thats the same with other tanks

[ember arrow]

most people cant do +15

:)))))

[spark hamlet]

Ok guys i need some ui suggestions i was using the ui preach from preach gaming set up but after the pre patch i lost my party frames and tidyplates isnt working

[junior ivy]

shadowed unit frames

you can do anything with them

it cna look however you want

[undone sun]

I use elvui

[junior ivy]

its sooo customizable

yeah elvui is an option too

[balmy narwhal]

elvui is the best for me

[junior ivy]

but if you dont want a complete overhaul

id say try SUF

[ember arrow]

if i show u screen of my ui

peoples eyes

start bleeding

[spark hamlet]

im using elvui but it seems be giving me errors after errorrs

[junior ivy]

i love showing off my UI

[balmy narwhal]

yeah keep uptading ur addons

it will stop

[balmy narwhal]

and make sure u have elvui 10,75 so u wont get errors

[sleek crane]

hey guys, wanted to test prot warrior on pre patch, can you guys tell me a good combination of legendary during pre patch if anything have changed ?

[strong forum]

btw, any reason to use dx12 over dx11? whats the point to it

[junior ivy]

i th ink people use wrists and belt now? or gloves and belt? i forget

[tranquil sand]

Does anyone here raid from Florence in Italy?

[junior ivy]

i stilkl use wrists and gloves

[strong forum]

belt is a must now

rest is personal pref imo

[junior ivy]

wait

@undone sun how important is belt

do i use belt and wrists or belt and gloves?

[ember arrow]

for leveling boots/sephuz

[undone sun]

Top priority

[strong forum]

^

told ya

[junior ivy]

with what other legendary?

[strong forum]

im trustworthy come on 😦

[junior ivy]

sorry its not that i dont trust you nomeratur lol

i always make thyme verify things

[strong forum]

😄

[junior ivy]

or cosmo

or krotosthetank

[ember arrow]

CUSMU

[amber siren]

catfriend's toxicity showing feelsbad

[junior ivy]

omg im not toxic 😦

[ember arrow]

cosmo ascended our mortal ranks

to TC

[strong forum]

\o/

[junior ivy]

but really what leggo goes with belt @undone sun lol

[strong forum]

gloves, archimonde, fells wall

[astral crystal]

you really could just beat your face against the keyboard and eventually hit 120, i wouldn't worry too much about priorities when it comes to leggos lol

[primal crypt]

@junior ivy so toxic

[sleek crane]

hum think i'll go belt and wrist i think for now for mm+ testing

[undone sun]

Hard to say for the second, gloves did lose value with the drop to devastator and how infrequent we press devastate.
Though it's hard to say with certainty without working sims

[strong forum]

anyone know Mentoos from Thrall EU? he just randomly spat on me in skyhold wtf LUL

[junior ivy]

well which do you use thyme

[ember arrow]

@astral crystal peopel wanna speedlevel

[astral crystal]

rekt

[undone sun]

I hVwnt raided in two weeks, definitely not during prepatch

[junior ivy]

oh ok

[astral crystal]

tfw my guild wants to keep clearing antorus during prepatch

end this suffering

[junior ivy]

levko which do you use

[primal crypt]

belt/KJ

op

[junior ivy]

for soem weird reason i kinda trust you too

some

[ember arrow]

i use AHR and belt

[junior ivy]

oh i dont wanna use ahr

[ember arrow]

gloves are not very stronk

[junior ivy]

isnt ahr a trinket?

[ember arrow]

and wrists dont heal much

yes

[primal crypt]

GO KJ @ember arrow

❤

[strong forum]

for ST im using sephuz LUL

[primal crypt]

AOE ALL THE THINGS

[junior ivy]

k im playing safe and uising wrists and belt for now

[strong forum]

but i just like sephuz

[junior ivy]

waoity which belt

wait

[primal crypt]

sephuz is so reliable

[strong forum]

thundergods.

[undone sun]

Yeah, sephuz is fine

[amber siren]

thundergod

[junior ivy]

ok ty

[primal crypt]

....................

.....

..

[amber siren]

rethu new bis confirmed

[strong forum]

we doing ascii emotes now

[primal crypt]

LUL

[strong forum]

@primal crypt

[primal crypt]

it's braille

[strong forum]

RIP

[ember arrow]

200iq emotes

.....

[primal crypt]

shit I just spit coffee everywhere

LUL

[strong forum]

haha yea good one

[primal crypt]

memed myself

[strong forum]

but ................... is better

[junior ivy]

ok now i have 5 tier pieces on

i can rem ove one

but which one

[primal crypt]

...............................

[strong forum]

woa dude chill with the hard R there

[primal crypt]

@junior ivy .....................

Chili

would be good right now

[strong forum]

well idk what you're rolling cat

i recommend chest cloak shoulders helm

[junior ivy]

i exchanged pants cause my non tier pants were 10 ilvls higher

[strong forum]

probs

[junior ivy]

and had haste

and tier pamnts ahd no haste

WE STILL LIKE HASTE RIGHT?

[strong forum]

yea haste is bae

[amber siren]

haste is 👍

[strong forum]

i wanna get more into crit though

gotta get dem deeps rolling

[primal crypt]

gross

[junior ivy]

i th ink my ilvl stayed the same

[strong forum]

crit is also best stat for arms warri currently so its kinda worth

WAIT A SECOND

i lost 10% vers

what

[undone sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

seems solid

[primal crypt]

it's all about the walls fell

instead of sephuz

[junior ivy]

this belt seems stupid why is it so good?

[strong forum]

yea im either rolling wall or sephuz w/e i feel like

3 sec CD off of a 45sec CD

per clap

[primal crypt]

......

[strong forum]

mixed with UF

[primal crypt]

we getting trolled?

[junior ivy]

im still gonna use the belt

i just liekd gloves 😦

[strong forum]

do you cast devastate a lot

[junior ivy]

question though

[strong forum]

literally a lot

[junior ivy]

am i supposed to mostly use demo shout as offensive or defensive?

ive never understood

before pre patch i used it exclusively as an offensive CD

[strong forum]

i just spam it off CD

[junior ivy]

id had it macroed with battle cry

[strong forum]

open with it

[junior ivy]

and used it at start of fight

okay

ill keep doign that

[strong forum]

i pre avatar->charge->demo->SB->TC spam with w/e

[junior ivy]

where would i fit dimas in there?

[primal crypt]

@strong forum how much time you losing on avatar for pre cast?

[strong forum]

idk i dont use defensive trinkets

nothing

[junior ivy]

i use dimas offensively 😦

[strong forum]

since you pre avatar

or do you mean off of the 20sce

its like 2sec you lose

[primal crypt]

2 gcd ish

depending on travel time

[strong forum]

well you can shout mid charge

use SB mid charge

[primal crypt]

yeah

[strong forum]

and use TC as soon as you can hit

dont forget taunt

[junior ivy]

can i macro t hat all together somehow

[primal crypt]

When do I cast ravager?

[strong forum]

not really no

[primal crypt]

LUL

[strong forum]

Kappa

on lust

[primal crypt]

Lust 10 seconds before pull

with ravager

[undone sun]

Don't macro them together

I'm pretty sure we've told you this before cat 😅

[strong forum]

macros are bad

[junior ivy]

thyme ive already macroed /pull 3 with /cast avatar

is that bad

lol

[undone sun]

Yes

[junior ivy]

but why

[strong forum]

thats 3 sec lost

[junior ivy]

i gotta pre cast avatar anyway

[strong forum]

for nothing

[primal crypt]

LUL

[undone sun]

Can't you send a pull timer in combat

[junior ivy]

my problem is ikepe forgetting to pre-cast avatar

[strong forum]

only avatar once per fight 4Head

[undone sun]

👌

[strong forum]

practice

[primal crypt]

Make a weak aura

[amber siren]

You could get a WA that reminds you to cast it

[primal crypt]

that reminds you to press that shit

how do you forget a major CD

Kappa

[junior ivy]

ive been using this 😦

[primal crypt]

oh naw

delete the /cast

[strong forum]

way too early to pop avatar

[primal crypt]

and just manually pop avatar

[strong forum]

you avatar and charge asap

no 3 sec wait

[primal crypt]

or do a /pull 1

macro

[strong forum]

Keepo

[primal crypt]

and just go in immediately

[junior ivy]

actually /pull 1

doesnt sound that bad

[primal crypt]

other than your group will rage

about prepots

[junior ivy]

they shgould be thankful theytre getting a pull timer at all

[amber siren]

lmao

😆

[primal crypt]

😐

so toxic

[junior ivy]

ugh ill eventually get a good prot weakaura to use lol

cause im so bad at my rotation right now

[primal crypt]

use the new hotstack WA

the micro one

it's not too bad

it's not the best thing....but it's usable

[junior ivy]

i deleted msot of my macros 😦

[primal crypt]

yeah, macros have become useless

[amber siren]

eggs

[primal crypt]

eggs

[shut summit]

🥚

[junior ivy]

eggs is for um , some faction in MOP

[undone sun]

Eggs

[primal crypt]

eggs

[junior ivy]

lmao

[primal crypt]

eggs?

[junior ivy]

eggs

[amber siren]

EGGS

[primal crypt]

EGGS

[astral crystal]

e g g

[undone sun]

Lol

[primal crypt]

mmmm

now I think I'll drop WF/Sephuz for Prydaz

ez stats

no thinking

and more haste

Kappa?

[strong forum]

the insecurity Kappa

btw elvui 10.77 is out so get that measly 10.75 out

[primal crypt]

gg thanks

just dropped?

[strong forum]

na just checked

[primal crypt]

well done

now if they would update some of my other addons

I would appreciate

[junior ivy]

which ones

do you need updated

[amber siren]

cat is a connoisseur of over 140 addons

[junior ivy]

yes i am

[spark hamlet]

wait im not supposed to be pressing devastate that often 😦 rip i need to learn this new warrior

[strong forum]

only the finest collection of exquisite addons

only if you have NOTHING else to press

besides Pummel and CDs ofc

[spark hamlet]

Yeah im not feeling this whole GCD thing atm dont think i will get use to it again

[strong forum]

thats a lie

and you know it

[spark hamlet]

ok ill get use to it and like it cause watcher said its better for me

im sorry

[strong forum]

:^)

[spark hamlet]

@junior ivy what ui is SUF cause i just tried tanking a mythic and not being able to see anyones health bars is not going to work for me

[junior ivy]

you might have to turn on party and raid frames

heres my SUF set up, unlocked so you can see

on the left is my party or raid frames

theyre kind of overlapped right now

casue i only ever use one at a time

[strong forum]

ah, shadow unit frames... good ol times

[ember arrow]

hope dungeons in bfa will be less magic spam

just did seat 23 on bdk

last boss was spooky

[junior ivy]

heres my party frames

[lapis ruin]

Do u guys have info about blockable damage on Uldir raid?

[junior ivy]

thats raid frames

[spark hamlet]

ok thats not a pain to see then

[junior ivy]

everyone should use SUF

its relaly good.

[quartz tulip]

guys, a question

any w.a working for current patch?

[strong forum]

all

[ember arrow]

all of them

[strong forum]

just gotta edit em properly

[ember arrow]

download ones for 8.0

[junior ivy]

most of my weakauras work now

i want a good prot weakaura though

i hate that you cant auto update weakauras like addons though

and what bugs me is ill download a weakaura i like, and customize it more

but then whe ni update it

all my customization is gone

😦

[strong forum]

well WA's are just simplified addon packs

an addon within an addon

instead of having to code everything yourself you have a user interface n stuff

[junior ivy]

yeh i just wish there was a better way of updating them

[ember arrow]

twitch app

[strong forum]

cant

[ember arrow]

u mean specific was?

[strong forum]

since the WAs themself dont update themself

yea

[ember arrow]

ahhh

ok

[junior ivy]

yeh specific ones

but yeh i need a good prot weakaura for my rotation

[strong forum]

gotta hope for the creator of you WA pack to updatge it

or just do it somehow yourself

[junior ivy]

nah i suck at weakauras

[strong forum]

im extremely slowly gettin into them

[junior ivy]

i can do super basic stuff

nothing that involves custom code though

someone in the weakaura discord fixed my favourite weakaura that hadnt been updated

i was so happy

[strong forum]

yea i can add glow condition and change timers... thats about it xD

[junior ivy]

https://wago.io/BJnEbpvVZ

this weakaura

is best weakaura ever made

[strong forum]

"sadly broken since 7.2.5"

[junior ivy]

yeah, but i wrote a comment saying how to fix it

and it works with that fix

[strong forum]

dont really need it though, know most mounts by the look of it

[junior ivy]

usually but not always

you click a persona dn it prints a little msg to chat window says what mount it is

where to get it

and whether you already hvae itr

have*

[strong forum]

eh

🤷

[edgy mango]

There was a video going around in the bfa prot channel where a demon hunter tanked mythic argus with default UI and clicked his spells

Anyone has a link for that?

[junior ivy]

omg

i wanna see

im a clicker

that would give me hope

i have 75 pulls on mythic argus as a clicker. but definitrely dont have default UI lol

[fluid parrot]

What are the best racials for prot warrior as alliance or where can i look it up? could not find on icy veins

[junior ivy]

gnome is pretty good

[strong forum]

dwarf imo

[main vault]

Clicker

[strong forum]

or maybe human

[fluid parrot]

as i saw dark iron dwarfs has -1% phis damage income

[strong forum]

oh you mean passive

[fluid parrot]

is it good enough

[main vault]

If you have to ask it doesnt matter

[strong forum]

the active on dank iron is giga strong

i dont care about passive racials

but yes the 1% physical DR is ... something

[fluid parrot]

i thought preciously icy veins said the best racials for each spec

[undone sun]

They're at best marginal differences, situational as well

[junior ivy]

thyme do you still wear t1

[fluid parrot]

idk, NE has 2% dodge, 2% Movement speed, 1% haste/crit wich looks solid, Dwarfs have active 10% Phis. Res., Dark Iron dwarfs has acrive +Str and 1% Phis. Res passive and 4% speed indoors, Humans have 2% secondary stats and active trinket ability

[steep condor]

everyones favourite warrior just uploaded his best m+ tank rankings 😃 Sco... lol

[junior ivy]

ugh, where are we on the list?

[fluid parrot]

isnt everyones favourite warrior Kungen? 🤔

[steep condor]

just started it.. but you know we will be bottom surely.

[crimson sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxIZ8YZRoc kappa

[steep condor]

@fluid parrot i was being sarcastic

[fluid parrot]

#metoo

[steep condor]

im a noob..sorry

[junior ivy]

and then the discord wil lbe full of people coming to complain that warriorts suck and arent worth playing and asking what tank to switch to

[steep condor]

<-

[crimson sentinel]

The people that ask for that just suck at playing a prot warrior

[steep condor]

M

<-

[fluid parrot]

why would you come to prot warrior discord to ask what class to spec to? 🤔

[steep condor]

yup - tier 3 is druid and warrior 😃

@fluid parrot you like shields.. you like the mobility.. you return to wow after 10 years.. you remember tab sunder tab sunder tab sunder.. and then you hear we are the worst tanks.

[fluid parrot]

i think that if you play at any lvl worse then top 500 pve guilds, class doesnt really matter, your skill does, but it's my opinion

[steep condor]

warrior 7/10 active mitigation 7/10 magic reduction 7/10 utility 0/10 self sustain..

[fluid parrot]

so better to chose a class that is comfortable for you to play

[steep condor]

tier 2 he says paladin 6/10 active mitigation 6/10 magic 4/10 self sustain 6/10 utility.

tier 2 he also has monk

[fluid parrot]

Doesnt warriors have Victory Rush in BFA or why 0/10 self sustain?

[steep condor]

tier 1 obviously DH and DK

[crimson sentinel]

cause victory rush is not reliable

[steep condor]

look at least we are not tier 4 lol

[crimson sentinel]

unless u talent it

[somber dragon]

the only thing i had to change leveling a warrior in prot vs my bdk ever... is that i just have to remember to focus-fire targets for those victory rush procs....

i just wish it wasn't triggered only on "my" killing blows in dungeons 😄

[strong forum]

Still not talking about bolster eh

[somber dragon]

for the talent... might end up op as hell then 😄

[steep condor]

he does say ranking tanks at beginning of expansion is not easy and this is just his opinoin. but fact is every streamer says same thing.

[somber dragon]

i'm glad i'm taking the time to futz with all of them somewhat (:

[strong forum]

How does he rate Monks self sustain anything other than 0

Why does he give monk a 3/10 but warri 0

[steep condor]

dunno.. all i know is that the more people say we ain't good.. the more i wanna just stick with my warrior.

[strong forum]

If he considered the bolster heal + block it would rate higher than pally and monk according to his rating

[somber dragon]

of the tanks i've given a decent whirl so far (druid, bdk, veng, prot pali) I'm enjoying my warrior the most, i'm not going to bother trying hard with the monk, because i just don't like it.

[steep condor]

i did log my VDH.. but i just look like a matchstick/topless strippper compared to my big boy cow..

[strong forum]

However I like this rating more than the raid ones

Warri is mega solid even according to him

It's only the self sustain that bugs him I guess

Or rather the public eye

I reckon disc and resto druid are gonna be best with warri

[somber dragon]

i'm very happy to be in the position to relly get to "play what I want" since i'm not trying to join a progression raid team, it's kinda helping make the game fun again (: that and i'll have the best pocket healer ever (my gf) 😄

[junior ivy]

so what did sco rate us?

[strong forum]

5th

[undone sun]

[junior ivy]

5th out of how many?

[undone sun]

6?

[junior ivy]

thats not good..

😦

[robust urchin]

Monk Druid Paladin Blood DK Demon Hunter Warrior

[junior ivy]

wait

hnunters are tanks now?

hunters

[robust urchin]

Yeah

[undone sun]

Demon Hunter

[robust urchin]

Demon Hunters

[undone sun]

[junior ivy]

oh hahaha

[robust urchin]

[junior ivy]

lmao

[robust urchin]

Well i guess if sco says warriors are shit better delte this discord and reroll

:^)

[junior ivy]

this is best class discord.

[undone sun]

Rip skyhold is falling

[junior ivy]

i hate every other class disfcord

discord*

[robust urchin]

Thats

Classist

[undone sun]

Dreamgrove is top notch

[junior ivy]

none are as friendly and nice and helpful

rogue one is so mean

lol

[robust urchin]

Duh

[junior ivy]

pally one was dead last tiume i tried it

[robust urchin]

I like the Memeron

[distant sleet]

Unless you are high end mythic raiding like sco, warrior is fine

[junior ivy]

warrior is better than fine 😦

[robust urchin]

I am high end LFR raiding

[distant sleet]

Im just salty demo shout is on GCD

[undone sun]

Lol

[robust urchin]

And i need the best tank possible

Cant do LFR without playing what Method plays

Also fuck the the guild panel

Shit sucks

[distant sleet]

does Skyhold have a community?

[robust urchin]

Yeah

This discord

[junior ivy]

but no blizzard community in game?

[hollow gorge]

And once again people are still convinced Warriors are in a good state

Lmao

[junior ivy]

WE ARE.

[hollow gorge]

LUL

[robust urchin]

In game community is only 200 or 1k people

[white siren]

thunderlords vigor look sstronk

perma demo shout pretty good

[hollow gorge]

Yesterday when I brought up warriors being in a horrible state for BfA people got triggered

So when top raiders also rate them bottom tanks for most content, and you're still convinced they're good

Where are you getting your info

[junior ivy]

we are best tanks.

#1.

[undone sun]

👌 #1 in my heart

[junior ivy]

and thats all that matters.

[steep condor]

the bear druid discord is fun 😃

[undone sun]

Indeed

[opaque pagoda]

I’m alone in crazy town I guess, since I feel like they basically ruined protection by putting IP on the GCD

Blood and pally prot both feel basically the same as before

[twilit comet]

hey guys, i just got back to prot warriors since 8.0. I see block is not a flat 30% anymore, and the pinned comment says it's based on the 'block stat' but I dont see any gear with a block stat on it, so hows that gonna work? how do you get more block?

im looking on the loot table for bfa content and I dont see block stat there either

[junior ivy]

mastery increases block right?

[strong forum]

Shield has block value

Mastery increases block chance

[twilit comet]

correct

I just dont see any block value stat anywhere

[strong forum]

Shield

That's all

Maybe 1 or 2 trinkets but it's 100% shield

[twilit comet]

ah I see

[strong forum]

High ilvl shield is gonna be most important piece of armor for warri

Or gear or w/e you wanna call it

[twilit comet]

makes sense

[strong forum]

@hollow gorge if warri is in such a terrible state how come warris still clear 24s - 27s on live

Tell me

[main vault]

Wait

Did I miss another bad player bitching

ffs

[strong forum]

Yea

[undone sun]

Yeah, sco

[strong forum]

Ah yeah, forgot bolster once again

[main vault]

Nice

Did he put out a new meme?

[undone sun]

M+ tanking

[main vault]

Oh the best memes

I need a drink for this

[strong forum]

Monk has 3/10 self sustain, warri 0/10 apparently

I don't understand that logix

[hollow gorge]

What don't you understand

Do you know what self-sustain is

[strong forum]

I don't see Monks healing

[hollow gorge]

You don't ?

[strong forum]

Orbs, sick

[hollow gorge]

check their talents

[strong forum]

Healing elixir, not picked

[main vault]

I have to leave a comment on this one

[strong forum]

Afaik

[main vault]

1300 m+ score talking about m+ tanks

[hollow gorge]

self-sustain is self-sustain

doesn't matter how much it is

it's better than none

[main vault]

Monks pretty much have none

[strong forum]

Yeah

[main vault]

If War is 0, Monks are 1

The only real self sustain they had was corner-monking, and thats gone

[opaque pagoda]

Did I miss something? DK’s seemed to be overwhelmingly powerful for M+, and if anything warriors received much more of a nerf than DK’s

[main vault]

You mustr have

[opaque pagoda]

IP is complete garbage now

[main vault]

Because DK lost just about everything

[opaque pagoda]

Okay, well if you say so

[strong forum]

Every tank got severely nerfed

They are no longer completely unreliant on healers

If you missed that, idk

[main vault]

They lost souldrinker, leech, smaller grip range, lower self healing

[opaque pagoda]

They can get a ton of leech with talents

Every tank has lower self-healing

And I didn’t personally care for soul drinker, but to each their own

I don’t know, I guess I’m less I’m concerned about numbers and more concerned that the playstyle sucks

You build a bunch of rage that you can barely even spend, because IP is basically worthless and doesn’t even fit into the rotatiob@

Rotation

The numerical nerfs to IP and rage gen probably would have been fine on their own, putting it on the GCD just ruined everything

(Imo)

[strong forum]

well with thundergods we have a little too much rage at our hands

will change with 120

[main vault]

Never said War was better than DK

Just that DK lost more from Artifact

[midnight flare]

When you are sitting at 50% haste it’s hardly noticeable

[main vault]

I also assume you mean you didnt care for Blooddrinker

Because souldrinker was stupid fucking op

[strong forum]

random question, i have never had a DK, but was blooddrinker at any point aoe?

[main vault]

No

[strong forum]

cuz for some reason i think so.. mmh

[hollow gorge]

No

[strong forum]

weird

[main vault]

All 3 itterations were drain life from target

[fresh dragon]

did u notice that EVASION now scales differently?

now we need twice the amount to cap it to 20%

[main vault]

Avoidance?

[fresh dragon]

avoidaince

yes

[opaque pagoda]

Yeah, I guess that’s blooddrinker, as a warrior main I wasn’t super clear on all the names

[fresh dragon]

i had a set for argus mm b4 patch and was capped to 20%

now same set gives 11.18%

[undone sun]

Yeah, that's likely.
The changed how stats scale with their respective ratings in the stat squish

[strong forum]

yea i had 30% haste before, now i have 27% haste with the same gear

just how it is

[fresh dragon]

ok but

HALF

[hollow gorge]

Hm, I have more haste than before 🤔

[fresh dragon]

now i need 6 pieces

how the hell do i found it...

[sick sentinel]

i wouldnt bother lol

[strong forum]

worrying about legion gear LUL

[sick sentinel]

but my haste is %10 lower aswell

[hollow gorge]

Nah I wouldn't bother when it's gonna be gone in less than a month anyway

[finite cairn]

anyone got a weak aura for avatar CD? something to obnoxiously let you know its off cd?

[strong forum]

glow

🤷

add condition if on cd false then glow

does the trick for me

[thorn barn]

Been watching a bunch of beta m+ streams. Anytime prot is mentioned they're cast to bottom of list as far as m+ tank. This warranted or just lack of representation?

[strong forum]

bit of both, but mostly lack of rep

we're not amazing, but not bad

[undone sun]

M+ is all about utility and self sustainability

[fresh dragon]

so war is a no no 😄

[undone sun]

Unfortunately we don't really offer a whole lot, it's still viable for 20s but not really for pushing keys

[fresh dragon]

(if they invite u in 20s)

[strong forum]

dont pug

[undone sun]

^

[strong forum]

i sure as hell wont try to

[thorn barn]

Gotcha. So not unusable but not vengeance.

[strong forum]

did a +15 this week, thought it would be smooth, boy was i wrong

[undone sun]

I've never pugged a full group throughout the entirety of legion

[fresh dragon]

happy to be you thyme

we normal human must have done it..

[junior ivy]

wow really?

i have a lot of m+ friends but i still pugged soo mnuch

[thorn barn]

on same note, you guys aware of any resources that help with finding m+ oriented groups/guilds?

Or just good ol wowprog

[undone sun]

I put DPS spots
Granted I don't do keys that often

[junior ivy]

theres a m+ discord

[hollow gorge]

Imo DK's and DH just have too good of a kit for m+ compared to other tanks?

[timid jay]

I have pugged a m+ once

[junior ivy]

once jeez

[timid jay]

Theres a reason it only happened once

[thorn barn]

Oh true ill have to find the m+ discord I forgot about it

[junior ivy]

lemme get you the link

https://discord.gg/BFBjq9

[timid jay]

Alliance m+

😦

Probably NA as well 😦

[junior ivy]

😦

[full spruce]

I’ve done my 15s on both horde/alliance on warrior. Zero issues super smooth. Didn’t feel like doing a 15 at all. More like a 10.

[hollow gorge]

That's because it's a 15

[full spruce]

I have a 21 arc key sitting but I’ll run that later tonight. Seem to have better luck with the OCE kids when running higher keys

[steep condor]

we may not have self sustain but we have the best mitigation

[rapid trench]

I wouldnt mind if prot was bad but the playstyle fun

[hollow gorge]

That is true, if you don't do higher content anyway it doesn't matter

[warm plinth]

@thorn barn mythicplusfriends.gg is the link I think. It's for both factions and has both NA and EU

I believe the wowhead discord has some lfg channels too if i remember right

[thorn barn]

nice ty

[main vault]

f all that

join the m+ discord

[copper lion]

which is?

[ember arrow]

https://discord.gg/mythicplusfriends

that one?

or is there a better one

[strong forum]

https://discord.gg/PZRyuJ

theres an NA version aswell

[fresh dragon]

bug? they wont move :V

[strong forum]

wait a bit

[thorn barn]

is icc still annoying to clear?

[strong forum]

you can taunt and attack the left one

on the very edge

[fresh dragon]

YES IT IS. im doing 25 normal and it take times to kill bosses

before was oneshotted :V

[strong forum]

thats just how it is

still invincible

[undone sun]

You can clear up to last boss on alt and save the lock out weekly for your main

[fresh dragon]

how?

[undone sun]

Requires a few loading screens to log onto different toons but... Clear up to last boss on alt, list group in lfg, apply to group on main, accept invite on alt then kill last boss on main, the lockout is saved to the alt but last boss on alt as long as your alt isn't in the raid/group when it dies

I did it for icc and ulduar till I got the mounts

[proper plume]

How is Prot right now and it’s expectation for BFA

[strong forum]

[main vault]

Expectation is that it will clear every raid

Im confident with this guess

[proper plume]

I’m just asking for peoples anecdotal opinions nomeratur

[strong forum]

well thats literally the purpose of the emote

[main vault]

try searching the words "how is prot"

youll find a million answers

minimal

[white siren]

i think its fun

so ill play it

ez

[timid jay]

Hmm, what second legendary are you guys using now that gloves are gutted

🤔

[strong forum]

sephuz

or walls fell

[timid jay]

Sephuz is actually a great idea

I was rujnning TFW

[undone sun]

Yeah, Im definitely leaning towards sehpuz

[warm plinth]

I would think Sephuz when you can proc it, or Insignia (maybe I'm wrong but seems like a no-brainer that Insignia would be bettter than TWF for DPS)

[undone sun]

Pretty sure I recommended it early in here ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior ivy]

ughh seriously sephuz? i hate that

[kind urchin]

I've been running the legs/wrists with t21 4 PC and it's amazing.

[timid jay]

Implying I've been readint this chat Thyme

haHAA

[junior ivy]

im using wrists/belt right now

but should i try TWF?

[strong forum]

its not bad

more rage

[junior ivy]

i hate that theres no consensus on which 2nd leggo to use

[warm plinth]

2 extra rage gets you a "free" Revenge every 15 Shield Slams, or you can just have a flat 2% extra damage

[timid jay]

Wont matter for too long anyway

[undone sun]

Just meant that was my opinion since gloves lost a lot of value
Tbh I forget what I say a lot

[junior ivy]

am i ok just using wrists?

[undone sun]

Yeah

[strong forum]

ofc

[timid jay]

Yeah should be fine

[junior ivy]

ok ill stick to wrists

they make me feel safe and protected

[strong forum]

dont get too used to it

[warm plinth]

I'm still using gloves/waist for now because my only replacement for gloves are super low ilevel t20 gloves

[strong forum]

as long as you use belt you're fine tbh

[warm plinth]

Legendaries stop working once you hit 116, so you'll definitely be less and less safe and protected as you near 120 :p

[main vault]

TC, in here asking the Discord casuals what to wear

🤔

[strong forum]

monkaS

[warm plinth]

Probably busy theorycrafting on actual important things, rather than legendary choices for a raid that's basically over and won't matter in 3 weeks. :p

[timid jay]

^

[undone sun]

Lol

Implying anything actually happens

🤣

[errant ledge]

For defensive options Bracers/Prydaz seems like the best single target option , Bracers/Belt for aoe fights and Bracers/sephuz for m+ or Belt/Sephuz if your ballzy and trust your healer enough

[timid jay]

I can pretend Thyme

[undone sun]

I can also pretend to be a mod

Doesn't mean it'll come Tru

[errant ledge]

Prydaz+ burning wish is supposed to be the best lvling combo

[warm plinth]

You are a mod Thyme.

[strong forum]

best is sephuz and KJ / stride

[warm plinth]

StorMfOrgeD

[undone sun]

Lol

[timid jay]

I am TC thought Thyme

Marok said so

[undone sun]

haHAA

[strong forum]

Marok said so

[warm plinth]

[main vault]

Implying Cosmo TC's at all

:p

[warm plinth]

Maybe he comes up with alternate theories for the lore in Dark Souls

[west kayak]

Just for my info, are y'all rage dumping into IP. Revenge only when capped or free?

I ask as I am capping constantly it seems.

Sephuz/Belt.

[strong forum]

you will cap regardless

cuz of haste levels and belt

really hard not to cap atm

especially during avatar

[main vault]

Lulkz

[warm plinth]

Yeah Demo being at 45 sec CD prior to belt makes it pretty freaking close to 100% uptime; even on ST during Avatar it's pretty close.

[main vault]

Cosmo runs WoWPlus, Worldcrusher said

[strong forum]

sounds reasonable

[undone sun]

Yikes

[warm plinth]

Phew. That's one hell of an accusation sir.

[main vault]

You said Maybe he comes up with alternate theories

Thats what WoWPlus' goal is

Not one way to play

[warm plinth]

Well shit you got me there.

[ripe cypress]

Any way to bind Avatar and Demo Shout to same button?

[strong forum]

macros

[junior igloo]

You'd need a castsequence macro because both of them are on global cooldown now.

[ripe cypress]

FeelsBadMan

[warm plinth]

Did they happen to share their logic at any point, as far as why they put all these things on the GCD?

[ripe cypress]

Think it had to do with pvp if I remember correctly

Like how it should be more clearly telegraphed or something

[muted holly]

anyone here use devestator i cant tel lif it better or not

[strong forum]

"its to increase the skillgap"

"you have to make decisions"

[muted holly]

it feels like i must have into the fray but i cant do without impending Victory

[strong forum]

ITF is a must

and so is Booming Voice

[muted holly]

but i need heals

[strong forum]

for what

[muted holly]

u cant have devastator and booming voice

[strong forum]

thats why you dont play devastator

its really bad now

[muted holly]

and how do you heal without impending Viictory

[strong forum]

you have more of a damage and defensive gain from booming voice

you get a healer

tanks are no longer supposed to self sustain without a healer

[muted holly]

but still i need to heal in 5 mans for the big pulls

ok

[strong forum]

well then you and or your healer is just bad

[muted holly]

questing gunna be hard then

[strong forum]

not really no

[muted holly]

no i pull a lot lol

[strong forum]

so do i

up to 20+ mobs

[muted holly]

why is booming voice bette rthan Vengence

[strong forum]

more damage

[chrome harbor]

More rage

[strong forum]

thats about it

[muted holly]

45 sec cd

[strong forum]

anger management

• belt

= 10 sec cd

[muted holly]

oh i see

[strong forum]

without belt its roughly 20sec cd

[muted holly]

and u take dragon roar

[strong forum]

no

Unstoppable Force

so you have literally played all the wrong talents then 😄

but you did take bolster yes?

and actively use Last Stand

[muted holly]

Crackign thunder

[strong forum]

well thats just utility

thats up to you

[muted holly]

Indomitable

:- )

[chrome harbor]

Crackling thunder is my fav, just makes me feel better Incase shit hits the fan

[strong forum]

wow

are you sco

[chrome harbor]

Lol

[strong forum]

Level 30 and 75 are up to you

but thats the build you wanna use

[muted holly]

i like rumbling earth

[chrome harbor]

I feel like 9 times outta 10 rumbling earth is better tho

Idk when I’d use menace

[strong forum]

you dont

no reason to