protection

[uneven mason]

Like in general

[signal plover]

Warrior felt pretty good. Bolster covering the majority of active tanking windows is awesome

[uneven mason]

Well Yeah we're badasses

esp running bracers on Fury +++

[signal plover]

Lol

[uneven mason]

dropped hat kept legs since I have like 33% Crit now

[signal plover]

Fury during hero is fun

[uneven mason]

Fury Self sustain through that dot

on Agg

only had to use ER when we popped two at once to keep up with the 2nd intermission

[signal plover]

Furious

[uneven mason]

extremely

I offered to tank

but since this is a fresh war

they're like "well have the mythic geared dude do it"

[runic linden]

@kind urchin oh ok. I’m using that macro for 2 ability on 1 button.

Before patch the macro work good

[uneven mason]

Yes before the patch Intercept was off the GCD

now it triggers a 0.5 GCD, 2 abilities on the GCD cannot be macro'd together

you can, do a cast sequence though

in theory as long as you're within melee range of your target the SS will go off, and it doesn't take more than 0.5s for charge to close the gap..generally

[merry cave]

JFC medivh is horrid atm

why the shit does spell reflect not cover all of AM

[deft mason]

any1 have problem with upper last boss ?

he cast beam just on me i cant dodge it

[uneven mason]

Leap

intervene to your friends (they'll love you for it)

[amber siren]

It's a known issue UK the bosses can only target the tank

[deft mason]

well thats wow leap doesnt work

theres no path avabilite

lul

[merry cave]

how did you even get past medivh

im dying instantly

[deft mason]

just burn him

xD

[merry cave]

20k ticks is horrid -_-

[uneven mason]

should be fixed now

they nerfed his damage

on AM

[merry cave]

doing it right now taking 20k ticks -_-

[uneven mason]

what +

[merry cave]

24 lol

its not possible

[chrome harbor]

christ the 15 medivh made me nervous

dont think id want to do a 24 one

[uneven mason]

Oh yeah fuck dude at +24

Like, the only way you survived BEFORE 8.0 at +24 was because Spell Reflect was OP

cause it'd eat the entire cast of AM

[chrome harbor]

yea those arcane missles and the single reflect is a bad combo

[uneven mason]

Well more or less it would aso dunk the damage by 50%

[merry cave]

yeah SR not doing the whole cast of it, is really awful

gave up, 20k a tick is too mcuh

[uneven mason]

you'd have to stack a CD For every one and an external

bbut yeah Tyrranical

medivh at +24 is a nope

[fiery pendant]

You guys seen sco’s video ranking tanks for prog raiding?

😛

[chrome harbor]

but also fights atm aren't balanced for our magic-crushed asses that they want tanks to deal with going forward

[uneven mason]

can't tell if Rehbero is trying to trigger or just doesn't know 🤔

[merry cave]

yeah we called it. disc isnt great for that fight to begin with but it jhust wasnt doable as war. then we tried with bdk/arms instead and was just as bad

not worth

[fiery pendant]

I’ve been away from tech for a couple weeks

[uneven mason]

Yes, we've seen the vid

[fiery pendant]

I’m curious as to your opinions lol, I assume not good

[uneven mason]

we've determined he's either intentionally trolling

[amber siren]

tl;dr the sco vid is click bait for the average raider

[uneven mason]

or actually doesn't know how to play a warrior anymore

[calm cove]

I rate warlock 3 squares /orange

[fiery pendant]

General consensus on eco last time around was memeworthy

Sco

Last time I was in here we were fairly confident about warrior, still the case?

[uneven mason]

"Warriors feel very week" 👀 @ Shield Wall off CD for over 45seconds while he's getting trucked

Warriors are doing great

[fiery pendant]

I just found his point about not having 100% uptime on shield block being the end of the world for warriors

[uneven mason]

I mean, we take damage now

[fiery pendant]

Good shit

[uneven mason]

but all tanks are getting wrecked

[fiery pendant]

That much was expected haha, heard horror stories about dogs

[uneven mason]

we haven't had 100% uptime on shield block since mists?

[west kayak]

What are peoples thoughts on the "new" Tier 21 bonuses? Getting something on the 2p is nice and the 4p is giving me higher IP than it did yesterday. Problem is I can spend rage fast enough it seems.

[uneven mason]

Dogs were melting all tanks

[fiery pendant]

Ye

[uneven mason]

we 4 tanked it

cause, 3stacks were just destroying us

[fiery pendant]

Oof

Is the t21 2pc like 5% armor now?

[uneven mason]

yes

we have lots of armor

[fiery pendant]

I admit, I still don’t like having to cast devastate again but I’ll get used to it if I do play prot

It’s between prot warrior and brewmaster for me now, don’t like the other specs all that much tbh

[uneven mason]

I hardly have time for Dev

tbh

only tim I hit it is if Rev doesn't go free

[ashen trellis]

I rarely ever Dev

but its because we all have a dick ton of haste atm

Come bfa we'll be casting it more

[fiery pendant]

I think it’s mostly the different keybindings I’ve got now

Maybe I should just put dev on my old nelfs fury keybind haha

[ashen trellis]

I wish dev did more then just dmg

Gave rage or something

[young oasis]

Any solid weak aura setup?

For BFA

[shell night]

bit of a vague question. what are you looking for?

[fiery pendant]

Anything really

+5 rage :/

[shell night]

remove dev, reduce the cost of revenge

[uneven mason]

make devastator baseline, reduce the CD on TC

😉

rather have that

I mean Devastator is solid QoL

[shell night]

👍

[uneven mason]

it sucks because BV is really strong

replace Devastator talent with something that provides rage from free Revenges

or

on avoidance/block events

[robust urchin]

Sco isn't really that big of an authority on warriors

I mean he is no Kungen

👌

[waxen talon]

devastator is amazing

dont replace is with some stupid passive gains

[astral crystal]

lol nanomachines

[arctic sedge]

i wish devastator was amazing again

gonna miss not having to use devastate

[waxen talon]

it mostly sucks ass cuz youre pressing devaste so little anyway

that u would by default devastor 10 times more

but yea it needs tuning for sure.

[lethal plaza]

using devastate feels weird

[tawny panther]

Feels bad. You mean it feels bad

I would eat 10000 veggies to have default devastator

[signal plover]

Damn that's a lotta 🍆

[brave mauve]

🤔 🤔 🤔 😤 👌

[uneven mason]

wait

Frattp explain that to me

"Devastator is amazing - don't replace it with some stupid passive gains"

🤔 Devastator is the most passive gameplay neutral talent in the row

[merry cave]

Am i right in saying were the only tank with a resource cost to our AM atm?

[uneven mason]

I mean, do you mean, Don't replace devastator with gains?

Deathknights use RP to cast Deathstrike yes?

runes to cast Marrow?

[timid jay]

Iron fur costs rage as well

[uneven mason]

As does FR

Paladins uh, technically use mana??

or not even a "pretend" resource

[timid jay]

It doesnt cost mana

[uneven mason]

nm yeah that got nixed

[timid jay]

Its just free

[tawny panther]

Some tanks are special rather than just us use resource is fairer

[uneven mason]

Back in the days when paladins had ot balance mana and holypower

[tawny panther]

Actually. It's just paladins isn't it

[uneven mason]

DHs don't have a resource on their spikes

[tawny panther]

Doesn't it cost fury?

And brewmaster have charges but not sure it costs resource per se

[knotty ermine]

I know devastator is worse than the other talents in the row, but damn do I like the playstyle far more using it.

[merry cave]

oh yeah i forgot about ironfur

[timid jay]

ISB for monks, demon spikes for DH and SoTR for paladins is completely free

[cloud bone]

right now because of leggos and stuff you can generate a lot of rage so much that you rarely press devastate which makes devastator look nice until you realize you'd be getting rid of booming voice

[knotty ermine]

#MakeDevastateGreatAgin

[uneven mason]

Like that 15% damage and 40 rage from BV

can't beat it

in dungeons belt + AM DS is up like every 3 GCDs

[cloud bone]

it's so good especially with the thunder god's vifor

[uneven mason]

its our primary rage generator

[primal crypt]

I barely touch dev right now

The occasional slap

[uneven mason]

I don't think I cast Devastate once in the 15 EoA last night

[cloud bone]

I cap on rage a lot in aoe situations cus on how quickly I get DS

[faint steppe]

do you guys think prot warrior will be viable for mid-tier progression raiding? like not world class raiding but still making headway on mythic bosses? seems like we have to dump ALL rage into IP now and depending on the bosses i fear we may take more damage than what we can mitigate/absorb because of gcd changes plus the 50% IP change.

[uneven mason]

Warriors are amazing

[knotty ermine]

Viablewut?

[primal crypt]

Warriors will be good in raids

Acceptable

[knotty ermine]

Warriors are gud yo

[primal crypt]

Just don't die

[uneven mason]

Yeah sorry (cough) warriors are shit, totally you should go let Blizzard know how badly we're doing, so we can at least be made "Viable" for 8.1

[primal crypt]

And everyone will love you

[cloud bone]

we're definitely not that good at mitigating damage outside of shield block tho

[main vault]

What

[faint steppe]

yeah against magic damage im not sure how to mitigate damage very well. SR is 20% only...

[tawny panther]

Demo?

[main vault]

You can have 💯 uptime on mitigation

[uneven mason]

🤔 We have a continuous stream of CDs to use, and upwards of 60% uptime on block

[main vault]

Warriors are good at mitigation outside of SB

LS, Demo, Wall

[uneven mason]

If me and Nexii agree on something it must be true

[main vault]

^

💙

[tawny panther]

We have kinda low health and devastate is a pos. I also dislike current IP. But I'm happy playing it rn. Hoping it just gets better with azerite

[uneven mason]

Dan go read the azerite trait that extends DS from Thunderclaps its giggleworthy for a dungeon trait

[tawny panther]

Does it ever drop?

[uneven mason]

not really

I mean

the mobs die

before you run out of DS generally

[tawny panther]

I mean it's a short cd if tc extends it then. Lol

I've been kind of deliberately avoiding reading about azerite too much yet, for that fresh new smell to the expansion

[uneven mason]

I mean, it'll probably get nerfed

[faint steppe]

maybe i need to put more work into it, but i took both warrior and BDK into +15 mythics and the BDK barely needed healing while the warrior spiked quite a bit and sometimes had to blow big cds (like wall) on trash pulls. im just not sure what warriors offer over BDKs. the need to barely heal a BDK vs needing to heal a prot warrior full time (have a tank healer) seems huge.

[uneven mason]

like they did for Fury's CoF replacement

Nakieon

[ember arrow]

15s are a joke

[tawny panther]

Just make victory rush free and no cd. Sorted.

Also ogcd

[uneven mason]

Warriors whole Niche is cycling "Big CDs" like they're candy

Outside of waiting for a known damage spike

you should have every CD on CD as much as possible

[knotty ermine]

Only issue I was having on my warrior yesterday (first I've played since patch so be kind) was I seemed pretty squishy just on the pull, but that was likely due to focusing on establishing aggro and not survivability

you know, that interesting choice blizz is advertising

[tawny panther]

Just demo shout after charge

[uneven mason]

Avatar before you pull charge - TC (hit SB at this time) tadaaa

then you DS

and then hit TC again

[signal plover]

Demo before the first TC if you have time

[tawny panther]

And X and TC and X and TC ...roar

[uneven mason]

^

I was close to the WW in damage on some pulls

cause TC is a beast

[tropic phoenix]

Whats DS :x

[signal plover]

Ya with UF it's dope

[tropic phoenix]

deaf shout?

[uneven mason]

Demoralizing Shout

[signal plover]

Demo shout

[tawny panther]

Rdemoralizing shout

[tropic phoenix]

oh

[knotty ermine]

yeah, didn't realize at first just how often DS was going to be up. Settled in a bit more by the second dungeon

[uneven mason]

Yup

[tawny panther]

Just make yourself use CDs liberally and everything gets tastier

[uneven mason]

reduced CD and AM, then throw in Belt and you'll have DS up like multiple times per pull

[signal plover]

DS and avatar are pretty much up every pull with Am/bv

[uneven mason]

That is the hardest shift from other tanks

[knotty ermine]

Felt pretty good by the 3rd and final run, but there were still pulls now and then where I felt like I was taking more dmg than I probably should have

[uneven mason]

getting out of the mindset that "cooldowns are only for O SHIT moments"

[tropic phoenix]

I mean
War is good at mitigating damage

[uneven mason]

and just using them on CD

[tropic phoenix]

but once we get hit without mitigation, it hurts :p

[signal plover]

Don't hesitate to blast off bolster to recoup SB charges

[uneven mason]

You should never be hit without mitigation

[tawny panther]

I still like to hold wall because my brain wants an oh shit button. If I can.

[uneven mason]

is the point

Shield Wall

isn't an o shit button

Last Stand is an O shit button

[signal plover]

^

[tawny panther]

I know. It's a pre shit button

[uneven mason]

If you're using SW as an emergency button

you're fucked already

[signal plover]

I would say last stand with bolster isn't o shit either

[uneven mason]

Yes save SW for predictable large hits

[knotty ermine]

as a side note though- with war mode on and out in the world, prot warrior is probably the most fun I remember the spec being in the last 2 years. Demo shout being available every global is stupid and has to be an oversight

[tawny panther]

Im holding it to please my brain in content I can :P

[uneven mason]

like Foebreaker mechanics

[faint steppe]

i'd imagine bolster LS is great on phys pulls though. that 100% SB...

[tawny panther]

Not for a serious reason

[signal plover]

T21 2pc prot warr was a lot of fun imo

[tropic phoenix]

wait what

DS available every global? xd

[uneven mason]

Yeah Bolster turns LS into a rotational gap closer for your SB uptime

every other

[knotty ermine]

war mode talent to bring base cd down to 15s

[tropic phoenix]

lol

thats awesome

[knotty ermine]

pull everything in the area

bingo bango boom

[signal plover]

Reduced by belt and am

[tawny panther]

Just remember bolster LS best used on 0 SB charges to not clip the cd

If poss

[tropic phoenix]

Do you use IP as a sort of mitigation then?

[signal plover]

I still fuck that up even with weak aura up

[uneven mason]

Yes you LS when you've used the 2nd SB charge (and the buff has faded)

[signal plover]

IP is rage dump

[tawny panther]

IP is my irl rage generator

[signal plover]

And to help SB

[uneven mason]

So you hit LS before the next auto attack

[tropic phoenix]

ye

[uneven mason]

it lasts long enough to let both charges come back up generally

and LS will be available again in about 40s after it fades

[signal plover]

At current haste yeah

[uneven mason]

faster with how much rage we can generate on live right now

[tawny panther]

Be more of a gap at 120 I think

[signal plover]

I think so yeah

[tawny panther]

Since our haste is mega rn

[uneven mason]

LS is avail every 55s at 120 on beta heh

[signal plover]

In pre raid gear

[uneven mason]

on the low end anyway

avg is more like 1min

but yeah, its nice

[tawny panther]

Spicy stand

Since last is a huge misnomer

[uneven mason]

They should change Last Stand to be called "Indomitable"

and change the talent to be called "Not Bolster"

[merry cave]

Got convinced to try 23 upper again

i regret it

[uneven mason]

Neversurrender could be "Worse Than you think it is"

[knotty ermine]

rofl

[uneven mason]

because of how the server update operates

on avg you'll have to be sub -2% before the 100% effect kicks in

[tropic phoenix]

try playing ffxiv

If you want to see shit server ticks

[uneven mason]

Everquest

[tropic phoenix]

ffxiv ticks every 3seconds

[uneven mason]

you'd literally watch your mana regen then drop back down for another tick, because it didn't push the update to the database before the tick timer

EQ was 6

[tropic phoenix]

lol

[uneven mason]

6 second tick

you could literally sit down (to regen mana with meditate) cast a spell that took less than 4seconds to cast

and be sitting again before the server tick happened

never lose mana!

I used to sit between slowed NPCs auto attacks on the server tick to get a full resting tick of regen

[waxen talon]

i thought this chat was about prot warrior

[uneven mason]

I'm talking about my prot warrior

From Everquest

dick

[merry cave]

New awesome thing ive discovered tonight, spell reflect no longer works on the last boss of BRH

23 tyranical shadowbolts suck

[waxen talon]

you mean the volley?

[uneven mason]

😉 But seriously Folks who are having a hard time on warriors right now is because it was a rather jarring slow down for us especially.

[waxen talon]

of all places why wouldnt it work there

[tawny panther]

Isn't that boss borked with the buff not working

[uneven mason]

It doesn't reflect the bolt but it does reduce the damage by 20%

It just REALLY hurts

[merry cave]

Yeah 20% isnt enough when you expect a reflect to work 😛

[uneven mason]

it hurts THAT BAD on Tyrannical

[waxen talon]

u can reflect tentacle slap at helyra but not a shadowbolt

[nocturne plover]

Make prot great again 😭

[tropic phoenix]

Hang oin, I can solo raid finder now to get maximum loot alone, right?

[waxen talon]

im mindblown.

[uneven mason]

Dunno Tangman

try it out and tell me if it works

[waxen talon]

you should get loot as if

[tropic phoenix]

Need the LFR dragonsoul plate set

[waxen talon]

25man raided it

[tropic phoenix]

even for LFR?

[uneven mason]

since LFR has been personal loot since uh, MoP?

[waxen talon]

i heard something about a gold farm abuse in LFR

but its like

"25man raid, u solo, u get loot as if there was 25man"

so i would consider LFR legit too

[tropic phoenix]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

I miss those days

[tropic phoenix]

IM going now

[tawny panther]

How do you even enter it as a 25 man raid without it queuing you

[tropic phoenix]

theres an npc

[uneven mason]

soloing heroic 25m Firelands and netting 3000g in 45min

[tropic phoenix]

outside of raid

u tell him let me go in dickwad

hes like K boss

[wicked salmon]

lol

[uneven mason]

same for the moP LFRs

[tropic phoenix]

y

[waxen talon]

mop has like

[uneven mason]

there is someone up with Chen

[tawny panther]

Tbf killer of space Satan, you do what they damn well ask

[waxen talon]

this NPC in vale

who can take u to all LFRs.

[uneven mason]

above Mogushan

[waxen talon]

so u never even have to leave ur comfortzones.

[tropic phoenix]

Really frattp?

did I just go to fucking cavernms of time for this shit

[waxen talon]

yea at archaeology place.

[tropic phoenix]

and I could have done it there

[waxen talon]

nono

thats cata

im talkin mop

[tropic phoenix]

oh

ok then

[uneven mason]

MoP has all the LFRs in one spot

[tropic phoenix]

im not totally retarded

just mostly

[uneven mason]

which is nice

DragonSoul was the first LFR

[waxen talon]

would be rude to put a npc at both places

it shud be more like

put a npc or a sign

saying lFR guy is at all the others then 😉

[uneven mason]

It should be like, just put it into the damn menu

so I can be lazy

[tropic phoenix]

https://gyazo.com/b21cee1e6273956076e0259198ed7af0

[tawny panther]

Wonder if that works for ICC increasing shard drops

[tropic phoenix]

Im here

[waxen talon]

oh right, cuz people just like sitting in ur garrison queueing for stuff

[uneven mason]

Remember when you had to go to the entrace of the BG to queue? Pepperridge Farms remembers

[waxen talon]

i dont think it does

since ICC is a quest item

[tropic phoenix]

Lets see if this bitch is 25man

[waxen talon]

working as if 25man had the quest would be stupidit

[tropic phoenix]

Throne of Thunder LFR gives the same rep as Heroic, right?

[tawny panther]

I am so unlucky with them though. I can dream

[tropic phoenix]

I just wanna cap out rep and get that jijkkun mount, and afaik that drops in LFR too

[waxen talon]

idk ive been exalted for nearly a decade*

didnt even know tot used to give rep.

[tropic phoenix]

does jikun drop bird in normal?

[uneven mason]

yes iirc

[merry cave]

@tawny panther buff works again 😃

[tropic phoenix]

lfr i meant

[waxen talon]

LFR i doubt.

[uneven mason]

no

[tropic phoenix]

kk

[waxen talon]

they started that in Legion onward >

[tropic phoenix]

https://gyazo.com/494add336ed7f806a2d167d65ce4229f

LFR confirmed OP

goham bois

[tawny panther]

Wait they buffed shard drop?

[sick sentinel]

Any recommended prepatch/beta Prot WAs?

[timid jay]

That's actually so nice for old LFR transmogs

[tropic phoenix]

https://wago.io/Sklqqyzbm

I use these

[waxen talon]

:pin:

[tropic phoenix]

for arms

[uneven mason]

OH SNAP

[tropic phoenix]

they arent bad

[waxen talon]

[uneven mason]

You can do LFR

and get loot like 25 folks

[tropic phoenix]

yep

[uneven mason]

KNow what I'm doin tonight

[tropic phoenix]

helps complete those sets

[waxen talon]

well

[uneven mason]

I mean

[tropic phoenix]

I gave up farming the yellow dragonplate set

Id run in there

get 0items

[waxen talon]

sets were nearly impossible with like

[tropic phoenix]

on 7bosses

[waxen talon]

casual 20% drop rate on bosses

[uneven mason]

not like I want the LFR Yellow Sherbert suit from Dragonsoul

[tropic phoenix]

like ok fuck u too

[sick sentinel]

They aren’t in the pins which is why I asked @waxen talon 😃

[tropic phoenix]

yeah

[waxen talon]

and then u would get a shity trinket

[uneven mason]

but I like the TOT LFR gear

[tropic phoenix]

idd fratt xd

now its ez as fuck

get 5items per boss

IZI

[waxen talon]

@sick sentinel Balsaq is returning to wow, ive heard. so new sick WA inc.

otherwise stick with IP and sb 😉

[timid jay]

There are 2 WA's in pins

[tropic phoenix]

balsaq

nice name

my kinda guy

[timid jay]

🤔

🤔

[tropic phoenix]

BOOM

[sick sentinel]

I should have specified- I used Ipse’s in legion

[tropic phoenix]

tier gloves unlocked

[sick sentinel]

So I meant a full set of WA’s that included rotational stuff and CD’s. My bad

[waxen talon]

Balsaq had that

its currently outdated tho

[timid jay]

Most of my WA's broke 😢

Most of my WA's broke 😢

[tawny panther]

Descended old balsaq auras

[waxen talon]

@grim prism we need you

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, I’ll check the new ones and just continue to hang loose until the WAs are updated/working.

Ipse’s still work, but Avatar isn’t there, for example

[grim prism]

Hi guys

[waxen talon]

go make a new wa for us ❤

[grim prism]

My WAs are from like 7.2 and are probably not going to work worth a shit at all right now

[waxen talon]

well i used it for whole legion altho it didnt work with 2set

we need a updated version 😄

[grim prism]

I actually re-subbed for pre patch and I'm going to look into putting out a new suite

Its going to take me a while to get back into the swing of things

[tawny panther]

👍

[waxen talon]

can wait, as long as i get to experience true epic WA again 🦑

[sick sentinel]

WTB a WA that tell me when I can race change into a beautiful Mag’har boy

[waxen talon]

theyre already in game

u just need to get requirements

[sick sentinel]

Yeah on beta my warrior is one

[waxen talon]

which are unobtainable now* ofc

[uneven mason]

which is exalted with them in BFA 😉

[sick sentinel]

Yep!

[uneven mason]

BE A BIT LONGER

[waxen talon]

what is the achievement?

[sick sentinel]

I WANT IT NAO PLS

[waxen talon]

it listed achieve + the rep grind

mag'har orcs are so swag

[sick sentinel]

it’s the war campaign and exalted with the horde war rep. So I figure it’ll take a week, maybe?

[waxen talon]

im so sad their racial abiltiies are so shit.

[sick sentinel]

🍆

[waxen talon]

noo

[tropic phoenix]

I dislike orcs

😭

[waxen talon]

u need to make it a shattered hand

[tropic phoenix]

Moose or go home

[waxen talon]

moose is legit

like

[grim prism]

Anybody else want a flail model thats just a big fucking spiked ball on a stick?

[waxen talon]

worst racials ever

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[grim prism]

The HAA flails were a letdown

[tropic phoenix]

isnt moose bis tank for horde? xd

[waxen talon]

@grim prism you mean like that tbc hammer on a chain

[sick sentinel]

Moose might be bis, but as a Mag’har Imma bring sexy back

[waxen talon]

nah moose is shit racial

Dark iron gonna outperform them so ard

its like

reduce each hit by 10

and ur like

[tropic phoenix]

HORDE

[waxen talon]

fuuuuuu

[tropic phoenix]

racial

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[waxen talon]

tbh

charge is shit

reduce damge is not noticeable at all

and versaility is meh

[sick sentinel]

aLLiaNcE rACiaLS

[waxen talon]

i'd argue going Troll or regular tauren is better

[tawny panther]

Racials really aren't all that hot anymore so the amount of sexy in maghar far outweighs everything else

[waxen talon]

dude

[sick sentinel]

Min maxing racials can go kick rocks. I wanna be sexy. @tawny panther understands

[grim prism]

I mean like a big metal ball covered in little spikes, with a chain on it. Some Braveheart-tier shit

[waxen talon]

i regen 0.1% every 2-3sec in combat

and u cant do shit about it

cuz im a troll

[tawny panther]

You can theme transmogrification sets based on clan from diff skins

[tropic phoenix]

ok so hagara just dropped tier chest, lootguide says shoulders

gg

[sick sentinel]

But you fugly troll ass ain’t turning heads

😂

[timid jay]

I thought that meme died years ago

[tropic phoenix]

Im going Zandalari once added

[waxen talon]

i cant wait to see zandalari racials

[tropic phoenix]

Probably something about gold

[waxen talon]

well

we know the texts

[tropic phoenix]

10% of gold in inventory added as armor

[waxen talon]

just not the effects.

[tawny panther]

I reckon they will try and match strength to dark iron

[waxen talon]

LOL

that would be so wack

[tropic phoenix]

xd

[sick sentinel]

LUL

[tropic phoenix]

golden plating

bis racial

[tawny panther]

Not for me

[tropic phoenix]

ezfix

sell tokens

for 100euros youll be a monstrous tank

[waxen talon]

Dark iron seems like the best race regarding racials by far

[sick sentinel]

Dude they’re all over the chronicles. Cool history

But you’re still a dwarf if you’re dark iron 😫

[tawny panther]

Dark iron have racials as lit as their beards

[waxen talon]

i played dwarf for a decade

dispel myself etc is awesome

[sick sentinel]

Doesn’t make it right

😅

[tropic phoenix]

How do you start LFR Ultraxion

[tawny panther]

History is written by the lit

[waxen talon]

its another whing

[tropic phoenix]

I did hagara, cant talk to anyone to start the rp

[waxen talon]

oh

wait for dialogue

it takes like 20min

[tropic phoenix]

theres none, they just afk

[waxen talon]

have fun

u sure?

[sick sentinel]

History is written by the lit

[waxen talon]

even thrall?

[sick sentinel]

Ded

[tropic phoenix]

they are all afk

[waxen talon]

u broke it

too good dps

[sick sentinel]

“Brb bio”

[waxen talon]

go for a cig and see if anythin happens xD

@tropic phoenix u sure its not cuz ur supposed to go to next LFR whing?

[sick sentinel]

It sucks seeing Ysera there 😭

[waxen talon]

LFR isnt zoned as 1 go

[tropic phoenix]

Coudl be indeed

[sick sentinel]

Stupid Xavius

[waxen talon]

Xavius is a legend

[tropic phoenix]

lets try wing 2

[waxen talon]

would make sense to put 4 bosses in each, huh?

[sick sentinel]

....:a legend? What are you on about?

[tropic phoenix]

its blizzard

[waxen talon]

Xavius is so fucking swag man

[tropic phoenix]

never assume logic works

[sick sentinel]

WutFace

[waxen talon]

malfurion is the prick

[tropic phoenix]

ok black dragon of death is flying around now

[waxen talon]

"SO SAYS THE SHADOW OF XAVIUS"

"TYRANDA MY LOVE, WHERE ARE YOU"

[tropic phoenix]

K, I told kalec we were successful

[waxen talon]

"OH DRUID WHAT IS THAT YOU'RE HOLDING"

[tropic phoenix]

shit happening

[sick sentinel]

I always liked “SACRED VINES”

It makes me giggle every time

[waxen talon]

npc voices in farmable content is the best thing ever

[tropic phoenix]

Im surprised xavius didnt die by a lightning strike, again

hes been hit by lihttning so many times

i feel bad for the eugy

[waxen talon]

xavius in legio nwas quite sad tbh

like big bady

and easiest boss in raid, fml.

[sick sentinel]

I like when he juiced up for the boss fight

He did reps with Ivan Drago

[tropic phoenix]

easiest boss was ilgy

tbh

[waxen talon]

no

[tropic phoenix]

enter, 1shot done

xd

[waxen talon]

no

ily was so hard

[sick sentinel]

“If he dies, he dies”

[waxen talon]

i wiped on HC to some priest doing knockbacks

[tropic phoenix]

I mean before they fixed it

[honest mantle]

are we completely fucked in lower kara now?

[waxen talon]

and autist dps killing blobs too soon

[tropic phoenix]

you just 1shot eye

[waxen talon]

fuck that shit man

[honest mantle]

cuz coin dudes throwing coins in melee range now?

[waxen talon]

kite them?

stun them

fear them

[honest mantle]

good joke

[waxen talon]

pretty sure ur not supposed to face eat that mechanic

[honest mantle]

the moment I charged in with shieldwall I just died instantly

[waxen talon]

doesnt coins have like

1-2sec cast time

• land time

😮

[honest mantle]

don't think so

[white glade]

Yes

[ember arrow]

coins can be blocked

[honest mantle]

hit me for like 15k each

the next pull I charged in and used titanguard

I died through titanguard

[waxen talon]

never had problem with those guys since week 1 nightbane farming

[ember arrow]

charge in wit LS

[merry cave]

I did a 22 lower before. You just need to rotate between stuns and CC

[ember arrow]

block the things

[merry cave]

it was rough but it wasnt too bad

[tropic phoenix]

i actually failed ultraxion

roifkl

[honest mantle]

I tried with LS as well

[tropic phoenix]

I cant spawn it

[honest mantle]

there was NOTHING I could do

[waxen talon]

well stip their cast or run away

[merry cave]

what level, i definately did it alright before

[honest mantle]

when I run away they still throw coins

[merry cave]

unlike upper. Id love to know how upper is possible atm

[tropic phoenix]

cant taunt enough

[waxen talon]

they throw coins at like

[honest mantle]

and if I am not in LOS they kill the others

[waxen talon]

ur previous location

oh

not sure we talk about same npc anymore

[honest mantle]

I had problems with upper, but it's not ultra hard

[ember arrow]

they got 2 coin throws

[honest mantle]

did upper 18 I think

[ember arrow]

one is the telegraphe one

other is direct hit on melee range

if the aggro target is out of melee, trhey will attack closest targets

basically what NL pelters dont do

[merry cave]

I tried upper 24 then upper 23. Medivh feeels unkillable on the war atm.
But as for lower. Make sure IP is up and block is 100% up then rotate between demo > ls > demo > wall

you shouldnt die with that running

[waxen talon]

its those dudes on your way to 1st boss, aye?

[merry cave]

yes, the coins hit real hard but its not impossible

[waxen talon]

i dont even remember a direct hit tbh

oh

RIp Mediev with SR nerf.

no more reflecting missile

[signal plover]

They nerfed him last night

On a 23 tho that nerf prolly isn't gonna change much

[strong forum]

current #1 m+ prot warri is running a mastery build and devastator monkaS

stats seem misleading though since he has a lot of haste on pieces yet only has 15%...

[merry cave]

Paw the nerf wasnt eenough lol

23 = 20k per missile

[uneven mason]

Nomeratur competitive folks swap stuff before they logout to not give a way their secrets!

[strong forum]

idk the others are using normals specs, so idk

but yea for now prot warri is #1 world LUL

#7 world in all of score and didnt even finish 2 of them so hes missing 1k point for ez #1

[tawny sphinx]

Rip

[strong forum]

its better than nothing

[merry cave]

why is that a rip?

Most people expected it to remain broken

[crimson sentinel]

Did they fix the dogs yet? in antorus

[weary notch]

wait, OP IP is not worth a few less ilvl score?

[strong forum]

its fixed

aswell

[prisma crane]

they're referring specifically to 2p in that post

also ^ from Nom

[weary notch]

they fixed OP 4pc?

[strong forum]

yup

[weary notch]

boo

[prisma crane]

might as well ruin fun that lasts for like 4 wks

[merry cave]

4pce was working for me not long ago

[strong forum]

yes but it was OP

it went beyond the cap

[merry cave]

mine was definately going above the cap as of hour or so ago

[tropic phoenix]

Neat, whats the fastest way to the thingythingy

Throen of thunder

is it fly out to mopland and shit?

[prisma crane]

it could always go above teh cap, even in normal content, the amount it could go above the cap was likely changed

@tropic phoenix pretty much, unless you have the challenge mode portal to the dungeon right near the portal

[tropic phoenix]

I dont

Problem is I dont even remember how to get there, lol

[strong forum]

do the intro quest, its really fast to get

google it

[tropic phoenix]

Is it townlong steppes place

[worthy yoke]

did they hotfix Dogs yet? I was getting trucked last night...:(

[strong forum]

yea, but it starts at the main city in mop

[tropic phoenix]

I mean Ive gotten 10k revered rep with it

ive done it during mop

[strong forum]

so use the portal then

[tropic phoenix]

I just dont remember how to get there, but I never did challengemodes

[strong forum]

at townlong steppes

[tropic phoenix]

ye

[strong forum]

its before the bridge to the island thingy

[tropic phoenix]

to throne, then run to the other portal to get ported to raid

ye

[merry cave]

Anyone know if first boss of maw how spell reflect is working since patch

is it absorbing full hit or just 20% redux

[tropic phoenix]

People are actualyl camping nalak

wtf

oh right all these troills are afraid of stomkar

[strong forum]

morg, it reflects

behaves like always, just only reflects 1 time instead of everything over the 5sec duration

[young iris]

Is there any plan to make a similar discord group in the wow social thing?

[undone sun]

No

[young iris]

I suppose that would fragment the community to much

cheers

[timid jay]

If it was cross region and faction it would probably have been done

But as it stands its just going to fracture it too much yeah

[uneven mason]

the communities are basically cross server guilds RIP

was excited when they announced it but its really just being able to join multiple guilds

[undone sun]

Also with a severe member cap it'll be pretty exclusive unlike discords

[uneven mason]

Yeah

Warrior discord is one of the larger wow ones

more active anyway

would be hard to squeeze this much awesome into a roster that small

[young iris]

oh, wasnt aware of a member cap

[uneven mason]

Yeah Blizzard has this hard on for limiting the amount of folks who can squeeze into a single community for some reason

like there was guilds who had 4000+ members or something crazy

and then blizzard was like "NOPE CAPPING AT 1,000 SORRY"

like wat?

thankgoodness for Greenwall.

[young iris]

im guessing some sort of server back-end optimization with databases and what not

[uneven mason]

yeah

which is really um

well pointless now

they've streamlined their database amazingly well since WoD

I dont doubt they could undo the guild roster cap and be just dandy

But communities

and the PVP PVE flip

are moving toward supershards

[young iris]

but hey, we got bigger bag storage lol

i guess thats the tradeoff

[uneven mason]

The amount of gimmicy programming they had to do to get the 4 extra bagslots

they didn't make the backpack larger

they created 4 more inventory slots and fused them to the backpack in the UI

they STILL don't know how to make the backpack larger

without breaking stuff

BUt still kudos, finding a way around spaghetti code is quality work

[junior ivy]

i just 3 chested a votw 15, i had been scared to do m+s cause theyve been so hard since prepatch

im happy !!

[grim prism]

Honestly the fact that this shitass engine can function at all with how much theyve piled on is pretty impressive

[uneven mason]

actually

they've redone the graphics engine

and the file systems

and the database

but there are some core pieces

that are still just "there"

that is why they can hotfix a boss mid pull

Like, wow we have now is a fairly modern piece of work

its just s afew little tidbits that are sticking around from the initial builds

they COULD probably rip them out and may very well, the bags issue will be done when they decide to revise the AH

which is more than likely some time in the next 2 years

The optimization that they managed with 8.0 over 7.0 is astounding tbh, my "fairly new" system when Legion was released choked at so many spots

Even thought they upped the requirments in 8.0, my FPS has gone up to over 90 in all locations, even suramar with the settings at 11

[young iris]

Yeah from DX11 in Cata, to DX12 now in BFA, theres been lots of tuning

[uneven mason]

I'm on windows 7 still

so its more than just the DX shift

they actually like, I dunno stopped storing unrendered shadow vertices in memory

using system resources for graphics that odn't need to be drawn was one of my biggest pet peeves that they did in Legion

Seems to be fully fixed now

[tropic phoenix]

Sir

I think youre too smart for this discord

[signal plover]

Bahahahahahhah

Good joke

[undone sun]

[sick sentinel]

anybody have any idea's how to take on the dogs in Antorus heroic?

[onyx vessel]

skip em

[west kayak]

4 tank and swap on two stacks.

[onyx vessel]

^

[opaque pagoda]

Wait until blizzard does a tuning pass on current raid content

[astral crystal]

anyone know what was in the most recent BFA alpha patch?

i just updated

as in it was a mini patch that dropped today

[kind urchin]

Anyone else feel unbelievably solid now or is it just me?

[grim prism]

Go tank a dummy and come back to me

[uneven mason]

Make sure you clarify not the 123 boss dummy

Cause if you think you're squishy on dummys its because you're getting crushed by a mob 13 levels higher than you

[opaque pagoda]

...solid?

I don’t know what solid would mean in this context

[olive fiber]

Firm and stable

[lucid ginkgo]

Solid. Like a rock.

[lusty grotto]

well solid is a state of matter, in which things are consistent and have 0 fluidity

iirc

[ember arrow]

ok

[gleaming thicket]

@grim prism great name

im currently an black tuaren named Incognegro and was formerly Buttgrape UD male

but balsaq may take the cake

[grim prism]

All three have been flagged for rename so its moot

[lusty grotto]

calling the PC police

[olive fiber]

My war is Smorgasm

Definitely flagged

[lusty grotto]

🚓

[olive fiber]

Had to change my monk from meatgag to meatwhad too

[gleaming thicket]

i actually have not been flagged as Rawboner and Fannyballs

they got me with Buttgrapes though so i took out a "t"

and rallied

[lusty grotto]

your nickname selection resembles blink 182 songs, are you proud?

[grim prism]

Balsaq was fine until Timeless Isle came out and people got mad I was killing them

Also LMFAO nim

[gleaming thicket]

whos name nim

[grim prism]

Rawboner and/or fannyballs

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[olive fiber]

Hahaha

[gleaming thicket]

lol

was going to say, this was not my original discord name

[lusty grotto]

i said that just as Happy Holidays, You Bastard played on spotify

haha

the nim part of my nickname is because i stared at Nimrod when creating my EQ char

im a pop punk poseur

[gleaming thicket]

mine was r/incest

[lusty grotto]

oh yes, quite classy

[gleaming thicket]

but there were some priests in the warrior discord the day i made it

[lusty grotto]

ROFL

[gleaming thicket]

so i was asked to change it

[lusty grotto]

i can see why

[gleaming thicket]

some skirt wearing priests

[lusty grotto]

poor priests

[gleaming thicket]

yes indeed. in their spirit i made one in game named fathertouch

[lusty grotto]

what race is it?

[gleaming thicket]

human of course

[lusty grotto]

haha

[junior ivy]

i got a question about prot rotation since prepatch

am i supposed to only use ignore pain when i need it? instead of just clicking it constantly every second?

[uneven mason]

That would be correct

[junior ivy]

thats hard to get used to

also what do i do during avatar and demo shout?

first, do i even use them together?

[uneven mason]

Yes

You TC - X - TC - X - TC - X

cause TC hits like a truck that hits things with smaller, but no less heavy trucks

[junior ivy]

wait wait wait

what is c

[uneven mason]

Thunderclap

[junior ivy]

no i mean x

sorry

lol

what is x

[uneven mason]

X is whatever you are filling

AE you'll probably be hitting IP or Revenge (free)

[junior ivy]

im so confused i dunno my new rotation at all lol

[uneven mason]

ST you'll probably be using IP and SS

[junior ivy]

my current st rotation is: SS, thunderclap, waiting for free revenge, thunderclap when revenge and ss arent available

actually thats basically my aoe roation too

waoit i mean devestate when revenge and ss arent available

[uneven mason]

amazingly

[junior ivy]

devestate is just when nothing else cna be used

[uneven mason]

right

and you don't need to hit IP

[junior ivy]

but mostrly its ss first priority, free revenge second priority

[uneven mason]

whats so confusing :p

[junior ivy]

then thunder clap then devestate

ok so my question is

[uneven mason]

TC > Revenge always

[junior ivy]

lets say i start a boss. we got hero. i got my prepot. i decide to use avatar and demo shout

usually ill use dimas next

but then what do i do to make the moist out of those buffs/cds?

most*

[uneven mason]

You should have avatar'd before the pull, charge (get block up) Shield Slam (with Taunt) Demo shout - TC - X - TC - X - TC -X until Avatar fades

[tulip arch]

Your normal rotation priority of ss > tc > free revenge > dev will be correct

During Avatar that rotation effectively turns into a TC every other buttons press since the cooldown becomes 2x global

[uneven mason]

free rev > dev

[junior ivy]

i avatar before pull?

[proven sandal]

Keep SB up and use IP if you are going to Rage cap (lol) or you actually need it. Use Demo on CD if you're running the booming voice talent.

[tulip arch]

Sorry yes Ikarikaze is right

[uneven mason]

revenge hits harder than dev

[junior ivy]

ok wait

i avatar before pull?

[uneven mason]

gives you 20 rage

saves you a GCD on engage

lasts long enough it won't matter

[junior ivy]

when do i demo shout? cause that iuncreases my damage too. before the prepatch i had battlecry and demo shout macroed together

[uneven mason]

after you establish aggro (with a SS or TC)

[proven sandal]

^ our dps has fallen off now that we don't have god like two piece. RiP endless SS You are missed.

[uneven mason]

our aggro is low enough now you need to get an initial shock in

[junior ivy]

so..

let me get this straight.

[uneven mason]

you demo the 2nd GCD after you have engaged

the first should be an aggro generating ability

you COULD in theory hope taunt holds it long enough, but you're missing out on the aggro multiplier during taunt

[junior ivy]

we're bout to pull. i prepot. we hero. i use avatar. i charge in. i SS. i use demo shout. i use dimas. then my priority is SS, free revenge, TC, devestate like normal?

[uneven mason]

so getting a tanted SS in

will do the trick

don't hero before engage?

wat

[tulip arch]

no TC is still above free revenge

[hot locust]

TC before revenge

[junior ivy]

is tc always above free revenge or only during avatar?

[hot locust]

always

[tulip arch]

always

[uneven mason]

Cat revenge is very low in priority

[signal plover]

Prepot at 3 avatar at 2 charge right after 1

[uneven mason]

only just above devastate

for ST

[junior ivy]

i thought revenge was soo good 😦

[uneven mason]

Revenge is hot garbage

[hot locust]

It's good in AoE

[tulip arch]

nope

[junior ivy]

so my alwauys priority is SS, TC, F-R, D

[uneven mason]

Revenge is a big cleave

[tulip arch]

yes

[uneven mason]

for ST it does more damage than devastate

[junior ivy]

what about for aoe, like m+ trash?

[uneven mason]

But yes SS > TC > FreeRev > Dev > Rev if about to cap rage and not in danger of dying

Then its the same

[signal plover]

In m+ it depends on damage intake

[tulip arch]

Generally the same but you probably want to start with TC instead of SS for initial aggro

[uneven mason]

I mean, if you're not in danger of dying

[junior ivy]

okay

[uneven mason]

you can dump rage with not free Revs (not likely that it wont be free tho while AE tanking)

[junior ivy]

i did 3 m+s since prepatch. first one was.. just constant panic, had no idea what i was doing, didnt make timer but didnt wipe either

[uneven mason]

welcome to being new to tanking :p

[junior ivy]

second oen was a +17, went okay then wiped 8 times on last boss of COS

3rd one was +15 votw. EASILY 3 chested

so my experience has been all over the place

[uneven mason]

VoTW is one o the least "tyrranical" dungeons

[junior ivy]

votw is my fav dungeon of legion

my first ever timed 15 was votw.

[uneven mason]

Court of Stars last boss is nasty on Tyrannical (not as bad as many others tho)

[junior ivy]

my first ever timed 20 was votw.

i hate cos. so much.

[uneven mason]

if the fight runs too long you just run out of room

[junior ivy]

i hate the trash though. i hate how.. non-linear it is

i hesiate and am never sure what to pull next

hesitate

[young iris]

VotW isnt so bad except for the eyeball dude, but even then if you stand directly under him as melee he will eat all of his own orbs. You just have to move for linger

[junior ivy]

i need a prot weakaura

for rotation.

cause its gonna take me a bit to get used to it

i keep using IP as soon as its available even when im taking like no damage

[wicked salmon]

prepot?

[junior ivy]

cause im used to it being a rage dump

[young iris]

Less of a rotation and more just prioritizing abilities

kinda like whack-a-mole

[tulip arch]

Still a rage dump, but we have a lot less rage to dump

I plan to pretty much always keep enough rage pooled for the nest SB, so I've just been using IP at over 70 rage

[wicked salmon]

whats priority enhancement

[young iris]

You shoulldnt have to use IP much anymore between Bolster+Last Stand and shield block. Unless youre gettting hit by ranged attacks or magic damage. Even then Spell Reflect reduces magic dmg by 20% for the duration

[tulip arch]

If you really aren't taking damage just use the non free revenge instead of IP

[young iris]

yeah

im really suprised how many prot warriors dont use SR for the magic damage reduction outside of a simple reflect

[chrome harbor]

they dont?

[young iris]

Not when I heal, especially fights like dogs in antorus

evreyone just relies on IP

[tulip arch]

That's surprising

Especially for dogs

[junior ivy]

i rarerly use SR

i never use sr on dogs, just sb

[chrome harbor]

i mean 50% is pretty good. Thats like half according to my calculations

[junior ivy]

i thought that was correct

[wicked salmon]

what should i stack most enhancement ?

[tulip arch]

Yes 50% is close to half

[wicked salmon]

crit?

[tulip arch]

;)

Crit is our worst stat defensively

[wicked salmon]

whats the best

[tulip arch]

Haste is best to improve shield block uptime

[wicked salmon]

haste thanks

[young iris]

With booming voice and TC belt, its stupid easy to rage cap constantly. I dont find myself starving anymore for haste

But I agree haste then maybe versatility after

[tulip arch]

I almost don't want to get used to that, lol

[solid junco]

Thinking about tanking for the first time since wotlk, how do bfa dungeons and uldir look from a tank pov

[signal plover]

You should use IP to dump rage during SB/bolster to help smooth the intake

[chrome harbor]

I've only been doing keys but yea my rage feels fine atm, want to try and get some raid bosses done this weekend tho to get a feel for boss tanking

[young iris]

IP on the GCD feels clunky, but I macrod Victory Rush to it to free up some space, seems to work well enough

[signal plover]

?

[undone sun]

Both are on gcd

[signal plover]

^

[young iris]

I mean its a castsequence with a reset condition

[signal plover]

But y

[sick sentinel]

[chrome harbor]

Is this guy on to something I missed or is devastate some hard hitting ability now that I just glossed over?
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765757512?page=3#post-49

[young iris]

it works for me, what can I say

[signal plover]

Well for one u said "shouldn't have to use IP anymore between bolster+last stand and shield block"

Which doesn't make sense

[young iris]

for physical attacks

[kind urchin]

They reworked the Dr on critical/Parry so it's not bad anymore.

[signal plover]

Because IP is strongest when used to supplement SB for ANY dmg

[grim prism]

Devastate was trash because it served no purpose, like the quoted guy said, and then Devastator was hilariously OP compared to the other shit on its tier

But now the latter is no longer the case

So filler is back on the menu

I think the guy who wrote that post is maybe a little too gung-ho about it

[undone sun]

I remember when I liked having a filler

[grim prism]

But with the GCD changes i havent really been bothered by devastate being back

Before it felt like the only goddamn button i ever pressed

[young iris]

in TBC sure lol