Sephuz aint that bad anymore tbh
#protection
waxen talon
onyx vessel
id use sephuz but not gemmed
waxen talon
after they buffed it like 4 times
onyx vessel
plus my healer is prob trash
wooden lark
is 2 set no longer working
arctic sedge
onyx vessel
not gonna lie i think they should just make devastate a passive not a talent
warm plinth
You're not alone in that regard.
halcyon sparrow
Devastator was the best thing in the last expansion. then make you not get a good talent to take it
tropic phoenix
Well, I mean
What do you want?
If we get all these things passively, whats the point of talents? ;x
tropic phoenix
Y and thats why you use devastator?!
halcyon sparrow
i tried a dungeon yesterday and felt very clunky
onyx vessel
it is
vestal heart
The reason we need talents is because most classes in BfA feel unfinished even with our talents because of the legendary and artifact removals. Honor talents with war mode help, but we've been significantly dumbed down after BfA hit us
onyx vessel
yes and no
tropic phoenix
I mean
I feel this conversation is held at each and every expansion
Have people not learned that expansions = change how stuff plays
final mist
Nope.
tropic phoenix
sometimes its better, sometimes its worse
onyx vessel
prepatch for legion during wod wasnt
tropic phoenix
Imagine if all classes are the way they were since Vanilla
thaat'd be dull as fuck
onyx vessel
it was like WTF this is busted
final mist
It was busted because IP was overtuned.
onyx vessel
yup
final mist
Not because the spec was complete or anything.
vestal heart
Because that's pretty much the only way I can see why you'd think wow classes aren't stripped this xpac
tropic phoenix
Oh, really?
ember arrow
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tropic phoenix
You mean losing things we had means the classes are stripped down?
final mist
Let's not insult people now.
onyx vessel
in combo with the class trinket prepatch legion was jokes
final mist
Play nice, kiddos.
ember arrow
artifacts were not technically part of our classes
finite cairn
on that WA for IP that Marok made, mine has a CD tracker over the absorb amount to where I cant see the absorb amount? any ideas on how to fix
ember arrow
that was the whole point
tropic phoenix
They weren't, they were a thing they tried and it went soso
Now they are trying azerite traits, which in some ways are artifact traits, in other ways its just random memery
vestal heart
I never insulted him lmao. We have half baked legendaries and artifacts in our classes and to put legendaries into our trees, we had to lose other talent options
tropic phoenix
But if you don't want things to change, go play a vanilla private server?
final mist
"I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you must raid at the lowest level you possibly can because your opinion is wrong."
That's an insult.
tropic phoenix
If they keep adding and never removing, the game will simply be too complex
onyx vessel
not a whole lot is changing with warriors
weary notch
you implied he was an LFR raider and then accused sal of projecting
onyx vessel
just gcds added
calm cove
I like the current way of just removing
undone sun
calm cove
and adding nothing
vestal heart
I want things to change for the better. I think everyone that plays this game wants it to be better. GCDs and losing talents is worse for the game.
onyx vessel
can you call lfr a mode
tropic phoenix
Well akmandor, we get azerite traits back
and we dont know how that will evolve later on
calm cove
its gonna be NLC
onyx vessel
blizz thinks those will fix anything
calm cove
:^)
tropic phoenix
Maybe
vestal heart
I don't think the argument of "If you don't like shit making the game you genuinely enjoy unenjoyable, then go fuck yourself" is a smart one
tropic phoenix
But they will improve it over time
vestal heart
Azerite traits are a joke, have you read them?
finite cairn
oh nvm i fixed it, i'm a dumbo
tropic phoenix
Im not saying its the best shit ever happened to this game
onyx vessel
lord nunu change your name to disco nunu
vestal heart
But you're defending it
onyx vessel
LUL
vestal heart
When it doesn't need to be defended
final mist
90% of the traits are jokes, but a few of them are pretty good.
tropic phoenix
Defending? Im saying let them try their stuff
calm cove
that sounds exactly like NLC to me
vestal heart
But the overall trend for our classes is down
onyx vessel
nuff said
tropic phoenix
Traits were mostly +x% damage
vestal heart
Why is that defendable?
tropic phoenix
if thats engaging to you, go for it
tropic phoenix
why not bring back old talent trees
20points to get 20% parry
then 20more to get 20% crit
wooden lark
man prot warrior seems so shit now
tropic phoenix
engaging.
undone sun
Don't take prepatch results seriously, it's not representative of BFA results
onyx vessel
LUL
crystal spire
what happened to my favorite channel #bfa-protection ๐ก
calm cove
I think BFA pre patch is very representative of how BFA will turn out
wooden lark
atleast 4 set is broken af
tropic phoenix
I mean I understand peoples frustration
and Im tilted that weekly M+ chest gives 1-3items per week
undone sun
vestal heart
Pre-patch is the major implementation of class changes and I've been playing beta for about a month now
tropic phoenix
and they can always change it
warm plinth
What's wrong with M+ chest giving 1-3 items?
tropic phoenix
Its silly
final mist
There's a lot of stupid shit, there's a lot of good shit. Prot feels better at 120.
tropic phoenix
cos 1 person can get 12 items
vestal heart
it's shit on beta and shittier pre-patch
onyx vessel
to be fair if the 4set wasnt broken then warriors would be in a real bad spot
undone sun
Not true at all
vestal heart
Prot feels great for damage at 120, but we lost some shit we didn't need to
NAme some good ways it's "busted" in
warm plinth
Isn't doomsaying still against the rules smh
tropic phoenix
new?
final mist
calm cove
its not legion anymore 
vestal heart
New block system
signal plover
doom was a good game
tropic phoenix
Doom was a phenomenal game
undone sun
tropic phoenix
Almost as good as quake.
And 50times more entertaining than this retardation going on in chat
weary notch
yeah, @vestal heart, come into someone's discord and insult them and others. Good call
tropic phoenix
Why is there a need to insult people because they dont share your view
I know its 2018 and stupid is rampant, but comeon
warm plinth
There's so much stuff to check out; I don't know where to start D:
onyx vessel
basic disco nunu players run in down mid then procede to talk shit to everone
vestal heart
That's me baby
tropic phoenix
I like popcorn with nutella, does that make me weird? well, probably, but certainly no reason to start flaming me for it
onyx vessel
@tropic phoenix thats hot
ember arrow
Wtf is going on?
vestal heart
Getting basic facts wrong is not the same as having a strange opinion
final mist
The block system as we have it now isn't a 1-to-1 copy of the old system. That's why I said, "new". It takes inspiration from some of the old systems and combines them together.
tropic phoenix
What basic facts?
tropic phoenix
All Ive seen you do is insult people at no other basis than your own view
final mist
And chill with your attitude, I've been here for 10 minutes and I'm already sick of it.
vestal heart
I can give my car a polish but that doesn't make it a new car lol
ember arrow
Artifacts werent part of our classes
vestal heart
Oh fuck he's sick of it
tropic phoenix
I mean
vestal heart
Kick me lmao, this shit is nothing but lfr players and harstuck 1400s
onyx vessel
atleast they didnt add in our artifact ability l
vestal heart
Actually fuck it I'm out of here
final mist
This is meant to be an open space where people can discuss the class and game in a friendly manner - if you can't do that, your time here will be short lived.
warm plinth
Oh good grief. How old are you man?
tropic phoenix
We get it, youre a big internet thug who dont give no shit
weary notch
wow
ember arrow
Talking about projecting
tropic phoenix
AINT NO COPS GONNA SLOW YOU DOWN SON
final mist
Alright, move on lads.
onyx vessel
^
warm plinth
Lev, I missed you sweetie โค
undone sun
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weary notch
no, he's just a jerk
tropic phoenix
So, does commanding shout get negated by mortal strike effects?
warm plinth
Is that little human pet a new thing from PvP? Because watching him follow you on his little horse is actually hilarious.
tropic phoenix
I used one earlier, but it gave 0hp, and thats the only time I used it
yes, I know
but it was weird
tropic phoenix
May have just been wonky, there's always that, or lag or whatever, yday was pretty hardcore on lag
onyx vessel
if it did wouldnt it give 7.5%
ember arrow
I member getting him
onyx vessel
not 0
warm plinth
Ah...it took all my characters to get just that reward. That's how much PvP I do XD
tropic phoenix
I thought I was a big boy with my rank 51
then a guy logs on and gets 125
Im like K, I said nothing
tropic phoenix
Ever get that feeling when you've got nothing to do at home but you stillr ather not work a friday?
earnest sand
I like how I have a big number (~14000 HKs) right next to a small number (level 1? 5?) for the PvP screen.
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ember arrow
Artifacts were not part of our class. If u uneq them then their traits got removed and their benefits. It was a way to experiment. Since we had to hand em in, it feels bad but strictly speaking, removing artifact benefits was not doing anything to classes. We just got used to them and some forget they were an item
tropic phoenix
Hah, I got like 90k HKs on my main, but its been a pvp nerd char for a long time
earnest sand
I've barely touched PvP since Wrath. I'm looking forward to playing some prot pvp again ^_^
tropic phoenix
72k I ahd when vanilla ended, but I did take pretty long breaks on my war guy
warm plinth
I've been playing for 12 years and I probably have less than 50,000 total HKs
tropic phoenix
I was a menace of gromgol base tower
warm plinth
Less than 20,000 probably...I wonder if you can check somehow
earnest sand
Does the 'lifetime history' on the armory only go back to like 2010 or something?
warm plinth
That's just for that toon though right?
warm plinth
Oh okay, let me check then
earnest sand
Apparently I've only played 26 games of WSG in 10 years of playing?
tropic phoenix
lol
warm plinth
Wait, that can't be right.
Well, actually, maybe it is. I don't play on my original account anymore.
warm plinth
I still have it dork. Just don't play on it XD
tropic phoenix
YOU LIE
I GOT DISCORD PROOF
Anyway my dudes, keep the warrioriong real and if youre a moose lady, more power to you cos they are the best. Bed time cos work tomorrow, yay.
tropic phoenix
stronk
warm plinth
Have a good night sir
tropic phoenix
Im pretty sure a lot of people aren't playing their original characters
My rogue and war were my vanilla chars, rogue is still 60 on some forsaken realm
warm plinth
My warrior was actually created in like 7.1.5 in Legion lol. I've had one in other expansions but I didn't do anything on it except half-ass level it
tropic phoenix
see, my point precisely!
Power to everyone palying their vanilla chars!
now bed for real xd
warm plinth
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fringe marten
Am I missing something? When I shift right click my artifact it doesn't bring up the socket window?
warm plinth
It should. Works for me.
If for some reason it's not working, you should be able to right-click on a relic in your bags and it should pop up
little rain
Anyone have a good WA for AHR showing remaining hp and CD when the shield is gone?
humble schooner
so many of my mods are still broken, many might not even be updated ><
undone sun
Better
hidden axle
hey guys with maroks ignore pain tracker how do i disable the big cooldown number that appears over top of the icon (so all i wanna see is the current IP amount and the clockwise time animation)
cloud bone
the big cooldown number the the time animation are linked so you can't turn just one off
hidden axle
fuck i can barely read my IP amount behind the big ass cooldown number
meager blade
^
hidden axle
one last question in regards to the same IP wa, it stays perma on my UI how do i make it so it only appears when i use IP?
it disappears when im not in combat but when im in combat and it just stays there at 0 and greyed out
ehhh fuck it i'll just deal with it but if anyone figures out a way to remove the cooldown number whilst keeping the time animation that'd be dope
ok i figured out my cooldown number / timer animation problem - it was omniCC being a cunt
meager blade
what setting?
junior ivy
i found my new favourite addon, it lets me put my friends list in groups
cloud bone
during avatar if you're going to rage cap should you prioritize IP or revenge?
little star
probably revenge if you already have IP up or if its about to run out use it again idk
seems like somit you would just know to do to me
topaz ember
just a heads up if you use warmode and take the pvp talent Morale killer your demo shout only has a 15s cd. that and anger management makes world content really fun
chrome harbor
fuck shade of medivh
warm plinth
I'm not into dudes but if that's what you're into! ๐
sick sentinel
Does Skyhold or this warrior discord in general have a community in WoW going yet?
this prot warrior discord*
chrome harbor
def not into that fight lol
warm plinth
This warrior discord IS Skyhold. I have not seen a mention of a community yet. I doubt many Discords will have one until they raise the cap on people back up. It's limited to 200 people per community right now.
sick sentinel
yeah i realized my MT after i hit enter (oof) and i didnt know they had a cap on 200 people! (double oof!)
warm plinth
Yeah it was 1000 before they took them down, but I'm guessing the cap might have had something to do with the stability issues they were having with it.
Even 1,000 members might be a stretch for a class Discord tbh. We have 20,000 people online at any given time.
sick sentinel
yeah that makes total sense, was just curious if we would have something in game to reference for us 1 monitor fullscreen playing plebs (maybe im the only one)
warm plinth
1 monitor ๐คข
sick sentinel
mhm 1 monitor and a laptop, could hook the laptop up to the other monitor but this PC is way more powerful xD
hollow bolt
Argus stil l buggy?
inland mesa
did they fix aggramar or any of the raid? guldan was still stupid overtuned and as hard as progression again lol D:
astral crystal
gul'dan dmg was ridic
inland mesa
and I like how they made us take devastate again, to barely ever hit it
astral crystal
also no
they're going to release a """""""""balance""""""""""" hotfix in a few days
inland mesa
so what is actually killable atm without it being stupid waste of time
astral crystal
most of antorus is alright
inland mesa
dogs fixed?
astral crystal
havent tried
inland mesa
seems you have to tank swap with the color swap and push before stacks get too high on tank
rocky tiger
We did an 11 last night with our regular m+ group as a bit of a "OK, how bad is it"... I topped dps, took bugger all damage and generally felt like a warrior god. 18 tonight.
broken kite
i did a 17 last night
pretty relaxed
did get 1 shot by dark slash with an overkill of i think about 800
๐ค spell reflect wasn't up "this wont hurt that bad will it"
broken kite
if you have SR up it reflects 100% of it
rocky tiger
Legendary pants necessary for maw atm I think
broken kite
you can cycle other CDs instead now i guess
just could get dicey on super high tyranical keys
rocky tiger
Proper last stand timing, try and kill it before 4 slashes I guess
broken kite
i think the tentacles on helya are bugged though, SUPER high damage
both the dot from the destructors and the ones that pop up
broken kite
delete this gnome
rocky tiger
Hah yeah, I watched 3 people just instantly die from 100-0 from the pop up ones
broken kite
junior ivy
dont say to delete gnomes
broken kite
yeah they seem to one shot you now
rocky tiger
Ah. But finally shoulders to go with the mace and shield from dragon soul!
junior ivy
wait is legacy loot in effect now?
inland mesa
3 stacks of the debuff on dogs, it starts ticking for 27.6k
broken kite
you already could
junior ivy
yeh but it was messed up loot
broken kite
just now you're actually getting loot
junior ivy
id do 10 bosses and get 1 piece of loot
broken kite
I was 51/51 before pre-patch ๐ฆ
junior ivy
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hot locust
Can confirm T19 2p + 90% mastery set works wonders on Argus still :^)
broken kite
cool
inland mesa
you killed agg and argus?
hollow gorge
Hmm, am I the only one that really don't like Prot war so far
valid trout
I'll get used to it, but I don't like what they did to it, no.
inland mesa
i don't like how thunderclap is higher priority than devastate, i can't get it out of my head yet
valid trout
::Grumbles:: I don't even like how I have to even press Devastate . . .
I legit forgot it was a button, RIP
warm plinth
Idk I just did a 14 Vault. I didn't feel like I had to hit Devastate that much. I can tolerate it.
What I'm having trouble getting used to is how fast Demo Shout is coming up with the belt lol
And for some reason my brain doesn't want to press IP because it's on the GCD now x_x
hollow gorge
yeah the IP on GCD is legit the worst i've seen
I really cannot see any reason to play prot war in bfa
I know people are saying " oh its pre patch"
That's what they said in legion pre patch
Look at Prot warriors throughout Legion
Don't feel like it's worth the struggle hoping it will get better
warm plinth
Idk. It wasn't that bad. Just an adjustment period is all. I guess it depends on what type of content you're used to doing.
warm plinth
I could see that being a pain I guess. I don't really raid, and only do up to 15-16 keys
hollow gorge
Yeah prot was great fun, specially with 2pc 21.. Was awesome while it lasted at least ๐
ashen trellis
warm plinth
@junior ivy It's really not that much different. I jumped right in to a 14 and it was really not that much of an adjustment. You still have Demo Shout up all the time. The main adjustment was from Battle Cry to Avatar and getting used to IP being on GCD
I didn't take nearly the amount of damage I was expecting to
junior ivy
hmm im still scared
hot locust
@inland mesa yeah, sorry for late response.
junior kernel
I dont know if it has been addressed here or somewhere else, but is there any mention of the 2 piece tier bonus not working due to not having battle cry anymore?
hollow olive
2pc getting fixed
Juggernaut Battlegear 2-piece set bonus has been changed to increase Armor by 5%.
broken kite
cool
junior ivy
awesome!
merry cave
broken kite
tbh at this point who gives a shit
weary notch
wait, those hotfixes are active now?
amber siren
Yeah my 2p rn is 5% armour
junior kernel
oh man i hadnt checked since this morning but youre right, its now 5 percent more armor
junior ivy
what is a good ilvl?
tranquil sand
sorry if you are bored of hearing this question: i tried the skyhold tank dummies and it hurt a lot, i am afraid to tank a m+, are tanks a lot more dependent on healers now?is the feeling of the prepatch mentioned somewhere so i can read it there instead?
amber siren
@tranquil sand The dummies aren't scaled right now
weary notch
the dummies aren't quite scaling correctly
surreal stump
@junior ivy what add on are you using to show the number of collected for each set on the appearance tab in your screenshot? I cant find it
tranquil sand
ok. having healed a bit i felt other tanks also were getting hit too much, is it bias/anecdotal?
junior ivy
surreal stump
yeah i have to click on the set and look at each difficulty to see what im missing
amber siren
A lot of legions abilities right now aren't scaled correclty and are either hitting too much or not enough but in general for BFA, yes tanks self-healing as been reduced
junior ivy
weird
junior ivy
so it is an addon?
surreal stump
wow lol
amber siren
weary notch
orderhall commander is still really borked for me
junior ivy
i dunno what that addon even does
weary notch
it's the one that figures out the best followers for a mission
junior ivy
oh, i hate that addon
i mean i sort of hate it and sort of dont
i like that it makes it quicker
but sometimes itll say i cant do a mission
but i really can
surreal stump
thats cause of the settings, i find phone app easiest way to run missions. but no need to run em now a days lol
rip gold
weary notch
still run em for wakening essence for leggos
empty locust
Has anyone worked out how the ignore pain value changes with an increase in base stats?
Trying to get my head around how well it will scale with gear
slim verge
Can you thunderclap while silenced now?
I was silenced while in pvp just now and i'm pretty sure I was still able to thunderclap
weary notch
I think PvP is acting weird. A rogue killed my mage through Ice Block. Some talents aren't working at all
amber siren
@empty locust Wowhead lists the IP formula as; [(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)]"
So str will naturally increase your AP
hollow gorge
I think removing IP from GCD and make devastator baseline passive, would be pretty nice
empty locust
Hrmm i thought stam had some effect on it...will have to have a play around with it later on
weary notch
no, they removed stam from the formula back in legion beta, I think
sick sentinel
I definitely struggled to hold AOE threat tonight unless I had avatar up. Our fury warrior was pulling between 4-5.2k pretty regularly and I just didnโt have a prayer
slim verge
Same. Was doing Mythic High Command earlier, and I couldn't keep the adds of the range.
sick sentinel
Glad it wasnโt just me. I actually really enjoyed the 15 maw we did- surviving the first boss on tyrannical took a lot of planning haha
empty locust
I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on a new shield, they look amazing and have some great armor
next goblet
so now i have a reason to put my juggernaut cape back on? my ToS cape was 5ilvl higher lol
junior ivy
i just purged like 50 people from my friends list cause i didnt know who they were and didnt have notes on them.
so much work
next goblet
lol
weary fog
Now that Battle Cry is no more, what's Prot warrior's stat priority for DPS purposes?
junior ivy
WHERE IS IGNORE PAIN
amber siren
It's still there?
earnest sand
DC'd twice?
weary notch
hello! Can I help you?
stray moss
Found out they changed block back to the Alpha version
I WAS planning to main swap to warrior from paladin
Is it time to rethink?
weary notch
which alpha version?
weary notch
yes and no. It's technically been that way since WoD
ember arrow
???
main vault
Block is added to armor
stray moss
Yeah that. I'm tired
main vault
Its just calculated like armor
stray moss
Do I panic yet or
weary notch
live 8.0.1 block is back to the 30% dmg reduction on block / 60% dmg on crit block
main vault
and multiplicative with armor
weary notch
with scaling to account for block value
main vault
Its stronger, why panic
weary notch
no bottom line is block is really strong
stronger than it was for most of alpha/beta
ASSUMING you have a decent shield
main vault
you def feel it on beta when you get a mythic or up shield
stray moss
That's the thing, Brun
it looks like it was changed back to ( Armor rating + Block rating ) / ( Armor rating + Block rating + K )
On live
At least for Paladin. So why different formulas?
weary notch
like changed in the past 24 hours?
weary notch
the formulas are different because 1. we can crit block, and 2. SotR gives armor
we only get armor from trinkets/pots/STR conversion
so Marok's guide is correct unless they changed something in the last 24 hours or so
stray moss
Wouldn't surprise me with all the hotfixes been going on.
fierce juniper
It either works as it has, that is, Block is a separate DR from armor, calculated like Armor based on your Block stat. Except the order at which that block DR is applied has changed. Specifically it's multiplicative with Armor DR.
Or, block is back to being an Armor increase, so it would follow the formula Krinovast posted.
It's not clear (to me) which is the case. But I think it's the former.
stray moss
Which is the formula applied back to Paladin right now.
Melek found it out, and I assume it was back to warrior by chats
@chilly hemlock
Melek help
This was, as I said, undocumented.
And if each has a seperate formula.. Fucking RIP Prot paladin
Crab will actually become the legit damn build
final mist
There's no way Block is back to the 30% / 60% DR it used to be.
It's fucked, but it's not 30/60
chilly hemlock
HELLO
final mist
I've seen logs that are low, I've seen logs that are high
chilly hemlock
I was writing an essay
stray moss
Oh.
chilly hemlock
check HoW's protection pins ๐
stray moss
I didn't know
main vault
cinder nova
So, wait.
cinder nova
Is the sky falling? Did we lose our good block>?
stray moss
Look you were close enough Mel
fierce juniper
Mel did you read what I wrote above. Specifically the first point. Are you sure it doesn't work that way?
chilly hemlock
haven't yet ๐
junior ivy
so question, is ignore pain something i'm supposed to only use when i need it now?
chilly hemlock
Had two pings to answer ๐ผ
junior ivy
instead of using it constantly whenever i have nothing else to click?
chilly hemlock
@stray moss ๐
Not sure actually marok
from what Sal said and what I understood from kihra's tweet, we're back to the first bfa iteration
main vault
Is that the intended or just the most recent prepatch build and possibly didnt have the current beta iteration ?
chilly hemlock
so non-blocked is armor / (armor+k) and blocked is (armor + block) / (armor + block + k)
We don't know what's intended
because blizzard doesn't communicate at all on this
I don't have numbers to back this up though ๐
And i'm not subbing back to check that ><
fierce juniper
Or wait, maybe it hasn't changed at all. And Kihra is simply saying that logs are reporting it incorrectly.
In other words, you have your DR from armor armor / (armor + k) and your DR from Block block / (block + k), and the way it works is that those two DRs are applied multiplicatively (before damage penalties).
weary notch
if SB is providing extra armor in game, it's not showing up in the character sheet (or I misunderstand this entirely)
final mist
The way it's worked on beta, it wasn't adding armor
It was adding block, which was another, separate "form" of "armor"
So you had armor-armor, and block-armor from block rating on your shield
And the two together would reduce attacks (our mastery then further deciding if you block-armor did more DR based on your mastery for the crit block)
Marok explains it on skyhold.gg, IIRC
stray moss
There was something I noticed, but I need to recheck after I get out of this BG.
waxen cradle
If there was a actual change it is for certain not being displayed via any type of tooltip so I would imagine a safe bet is to wait and see if a list of specific data mined hotfixes show up soon reflecting a change
And see if a tooltip hotfix goes live to have the tooltip itself display the change if it was indeed a stealthed/undocumented change
waxen cradle
Not only that it is not like we stood out as a ridiculously OP tank class at this point anyway, or for that matter even on the Beta so I fail to understand why they would push a change through on live pre patch servers that is not active on the beta unless the beta formula has changed there as well and we were unaware of it
stray moss
and misread the retweet
weary notch
wait, so nothing changed?
weary notch
HELP
waxen cradle
Careful I will come at you will a crab legg cracker I use when I eat seafood
Butter and all
waxen cradle
I know
weary notch
you still haven't fixed our door
kick down the door, scare us half to death, then threaten to pinch us. good heavens!
waxen cradle
watch he will just hang some beads like a hippy
SEE I told you
Made of crab shells that will never work... where is the door knob dude and don't point down
ember arrow
Wtf is going on
stray moss
Memes
weary notch
Krin is wrecking the place
waxen cradle
Well Krinovast came in and kicked our door down, and scared us half to death with the Prot Warrior going to crap, and then did not fix the door, but he made a new one of crab shells AFTER he threatened to pinch us all
A very good likeness Krin but no Mace so I rate 9/10
strong forum
So t21 2p is now a 5% armor increase.
strong forum
I guess ย ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Too bad my t21 pieces are ilvl 200
Well head is 235, but I ain't losing that much ilvl for 5%
waxen cradle
Literally 200 or 225
waxen cradle
yeah in that case agreed 100% no point
tender imp
strong forum
I would have to restore items to get my 4p
stray moss
I can't even 4piece
strong forum
Don't care enough for it. And I would lose 40ilvl per piece so fuck that
final mist
Alright boys, move along, nothing to see here, WCL just isn't reporting correctly or isn't pulling from logs correctly, or logs aren't reporting to WCL correctly or something, who knows.
TL;DR SHIT BE WACK, FAM.
We gucci.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled doomsaying.
strong forum
\o/
undone sun
waxen cradle
strips down to his underwear and runs around screaming the sky is falling with his tin foil hat on his head
paper flower
will prot warrior be any good in Uldir ? Since i'm stuck at tanking in my guild and i wanna do it on my warrior
stray moss
Unless you're going bleeding edge? From what I remember on beta?
waxen cradle
Well you have a bonus you can go underground
stray moss
You're fine
waxen cradle
Well under sand same thing and under water
ionic fern
Fucking hell @stray moss Is there a non crab class somewhere? ๐
stray moss
@ionic fern Considering I'm not raiding in bfa?
No there won't be
I have too much free time in wow
undone sun
You have too much free time. Period.
stray moss
I won't soon.
ionic fern
Gotta finish those 10 crab commandments asap for all classes then.
strong forum
Thyme unimpressed as usual
ember arrow
Robots dont have emotions
sullen jay
What are people's thoughts on Into The Fray? I did a test tanking run of Antorus last night and found myself constantly trying to adjust my position to get the full benefit
OTOH I don't want to spec into Punish because I'd much rather than the 15% haste over 3% dr
junior igloo
ITF is strong, at 2 stacks it's already very slightly better than Punish.
sullen jay
My guild mate seems to think that Punish will be the preferred raiding talent. This doesn't seem right to me.
ember arrow
Its not
amber siren
I don't see how 3% DR can compete with 15% haste defensively and especially not offensively
tawny panther
How does the haste stack up offensively compared to the SS buff. Could be ones offensive ones defensive
ember arrow
Unless ur fighting literally 1 enemy without any allies nearby
sullen jay
Well, I don't think it can, the question is will you be able to consistently get required stacks
undone sun
Think of punish as a set amount of verse, then it'll be haste vs. verse
undone sun
In dungeons, 5 stacks is easy
In raiding it's definitely dependent on the boss but isn't impossible by any means
sullen jay
10 yds is a fairly short distance, it will require positioning awareness of both myself and other melee DPS for me to get the benefit
Not a problem for me, but constantly yelling at people to remember not to move too far away from the tank will get annoying
undone sun
Unless the bosses hitbox is like kingorath it's not an issue
sullen jay
Ok, thanks everyone, good to know I wasn't completely off on preferring ITF
mint locust
Please ping me if someone makes an 8.0.1 version of this:
https://wago.io/IgnorePainBar
amber siren
@mint locust @wanton sentinel Made this one https://gist.github.com/elithrar/721f0a799abed313c2376c76ffc70317
civic holly
Guys please help
mint locust
@amber siren I love you
amber siren
๐
civic holly
Today i tried out all my tank classes and none of them feel fun anymore and im really upset
Why warrior always nerf so hard
mint locust
@amber siren Bah humbug. Iโm looking for one thatโll also count down the timer on IP too. I fixed the UnitBuff errors in Hamsdaโs one but cannot figure out the other stuff.
civic holly
This one time, blizz made warrior amazing tank and then nerf nerf nerf until worst again
mint locust
@civic holly Druid plays a lot more fun than it did pre-prepatch.
civic holly
Yeah?
I tries it tonight
Felt fairly same same
Just not worse like everything else
undone sun
Bear, vengeance and I think monk changed the least going into BFA but with that being said.... Don't take what you get from prepatch as final BFA results
mint locust
Yeah. Itโs likely going to be running Pulverise at 120 as Rend and Tear wonโt give you as much mitigation because you wonโt be running legs for the extra 2 stacks of Thrash.
civic holly
Yep yep
mint locust
I am also really enjoying running Bristling Fur to get more Ironfur stacks pre-damage.
civic holly
Does anyone know...who played prot war on beta at 120
Does it seem fun or still clunky
copper path
@wanton sentinel Possible in sharing that UI? and WA ?
ember arrow
@civic holly worse? What?
cosmic cargo
druid plays literally the same as before pre-patch but with less procs, if that's your definition more fun then sure
mint locust
@cosmic cargo Having dome Mythic Argus on Wednesday night (AU time), I can say I very much disagree.
mint locust
The way we had to play for Argus with Bristling Fur was VERY fun.
cosmic cargo
I guess a little more gore procs thanks to haste benefiting thrash dot, but GG as less procs
mint locust
To survive the 2nd stack without cooldowns youโd have to prop Bristling Fur just before the 1st scythe so you had enough rage to have 4 stacks of Ironfur for the next Scythe.
cosmic cargo
bristling fur was always a thing though
the way it works didn't change either afaik
mint locust
Ye but it was never used
cosmic cargo
it was still the best defensive by far you could just get away with brambles
strong forum
@civic holly I have played beta and adjusted to the new prot, it doesn't feel clunky to me, it's just a matter of getting used to it. It's highly subjective anyway
Playing a new spec for 5min will always feel weird
crimson sentinel
hollow pine
i enjoy it quite a bit
subjectively the least boring tank
haven't tanked on a war for ages though
before prepatch
tight tree
Warrior and monk was 2 most fun tanks to play in Legion. Maybe monk even more fun, just feel so fluid. But warrior have this oomph when you hit stuff.
waxen talon
idk my problem with current stat of prot is how they decided to turn everything upside down 2 expansions in a row
why cant they just build upon a spec instead of start over everytime.
hollow pine
ye i mained monk in legion, thing is it's mostly the same and that can get boring
tight tree
Ironically i played druid, just because it was so strong and i feel like a brick wall, dont think i ever died on druid unless we was wiping.
@waxen talon they dont know what to do with the spec really
hollow pine
they ran out of dev time for it
waxen talon
yea but like
they even removed it at one point giving us the armor bolster
feels like they had no clue what they were doing to be honest.
tight tree
Probing for reaction
waxen talon
problem with all these changes is
tight tree
Everyone was so excited wht they will come up with instead we got shittier version
waxen talon
like if u decide to play rogue u wanna be a sneaky backstebber
if they turn it upside down and u suddenly become a warrior
strong forum
How was monk fun in Legion what
waxen talon
it just ruins everything
waxen talon
better than shield slam > revenge (when its availble which it never is) and then fish with devaste.
strong forum
I boosted a monk and never have I regretted anything faster in my life
hollow pine
monk felt fluid
tight tree
It felt silky smooth without gaps, everything flows
waxen talon
i think monk tank is one of the coolest specs
tight tree
Couple with great mobility
waxen talon
i'd definitly reroll if it wouldnt cost me all my character progress.
weak marsh
Dont worry
I probably stop playing the game since I hate leveling and dont want another main than the warrior but the tank is 0 fun
But WoD was boring after Focused rage aswell ^^
ember arrow
Ok
waxen talon
Changing main? impossible
weak marsh
I meant legion ^^
hollow pine
try playing a pala, bubble hearth and logout is all i can think of playing that
weak marsh
^^
waxen talon
thats what they do everytime i try to gank them
hollow pine
i'll gladly gank myself
weak marsh
But we shouldnt forget. Warriortank should be pretty viable though
waxen talon
summon ur horse and ride off a cliff
hollow pine
haha
tight tree
Well these times i just play whatever benefits my guild best. Except paladin cause they pink.
hollow pine
cast judgment in front of a mirror to lobotomize yourself
sick sentinel
haha
waxen talon
well balance aint based around maw 24.
ember arrow
My bdk got to 10% on +18 slash
ember arrow
After lovely "no magic metagation" changes
strong forum
Have a warlock pet taunt the slash
sick sentinel
I was busy with work for the past year or so, and didn't play WoW. What's the most fun / challenging tank in BFA? Before the legion dumbing down I really enjoyed Prot Warriors, even though they were not nearly as strong as other tanks. Any input here?
strong forum
Idk 24 tyrannical lives quite long
ember arrow
It was no issue in legion mind u
24
Just worried bit wit prepatch
If that'll make a difference
waxen talon
well ur cds are signficiantly weaker and on longer cd ๐
strong forum
What
ember arrow
How are they weaker
strong forum
Every CD is the same
strong forum
Booming is 20% reduction LS blocks now and heals
So what's weaker in that
Shield wall is literally the same
ember arrow
LS i had 90%
waxen talon
u dont need 100% block for it
ember arrow
In legion
waxen talon
LS was such a godlike CD in legion
waxen talon
idk theres that shity ring
walls fell
it might squish shield wall cd long enough
to get it twice*
to get it twice*
cinder roost
SR isn't enough anymore or is it for when it's down?
ember arrow
Yes but thats not enough
waxen talon
or have your paladin taunt and sacrficie
strong forum
Taunt bubble
waxen talon
2 charges doesnt help that signficiantly, as far as i remember i can use it on cd more or less
healer external
gaunt coyote
5 % armor DansGame
cinder roost
Absorb trinket?
waxen talon
Dont think ymirion is gonna be the hardest in a +24
gaunt coyote
Arats blood mirror makes ymirion trivial tho
strong forum
Will Legion m+ still be a thing when bfa launches ๐ค
Imagine doing Legion m+ at 120 pushing keys like crazy
native shore
How bad is prot warrior compared to the like OP Demon hunter I keep hearing about? Speaking in regards to M+ only
dapper swift
any1 else feeling like the new prot rotation is chaotic? >.<
amber siren
How do you mean chaotic? For most people it's slowed down a bit if anything
cinder roost
Isn't it the first time we have no rage dump Off-GCD ? Having IP on GCD feels idiotic to me
tawny panther
My warrior is definitely chaotic. But that's because he's busy hulk leaping everyfuckingwhere, not his rotation.
ember arrow
Sb is off gcd
cinder roost
Yeah but it has charges
ember arrow
Ip has diff function from legion
waxen talon
same as before?
the GCDs are a game breaker
i find myself spending so many gcds just pushing IP
meanwhile i see shield slam come off cd and stuff
its chaotic for sure
rotation went from being like do 2 rotations same time, defensive and offensively
and now its just a huge mess
cinder roost
Well the thing is, sometimes a big hit is coming and you won't have rage until ~1s of it and you'll be GCD locked so can"t cast IP
You can try to plan ahead by pooling
But you can't always do that
waxen talon
not like the 20% HP ignore pain is gonna be a signficant difference anyway tbh
blocking is the most important
cinder roost
Sometimes you need to use that rage to survive before the big hit
waxen talon
IP is more or less a recover tool
dapper swift
I feel like if they wanted to make block so important again, IP needs to go. It just doesnt feel right in the rotation anymore
dapper swift
its so clunky ;_;
waxen talon
indeed
its like
u often feel like ur better off just clciking thunderclap on that GCD
ember arrow
If u know when boss will hit
gaunt coyote
On avatar its pretty much TC every other gcd
ember arrow
U must not use gcd before it
dapper swift
and somebody correct me if im wrong..? using revenge over devastate, but i still feel like devastate hardly gets used?
ember arrow
Dk has am om gcd in legion
gaunt coyote
I just remembered that devastate is still an ability, and its not on my bars
idle hazel
where is Avatar?
idle hazel
ty
dapper swift
I never realized how fuckin lazy devastator made me, pushing devastate feels terrible
sick sentinel
I miss the old devastate sound ;_;
shell night
debating if its even worth keeping devastate on my bars tbh
sick sentinel
yes, I was hoping for the 2set to go to demo shout/avatar but oh well... when did prot warriors get something usefull ?
is the 4p any good ?
gaunt coyote
I havent even noticed not having devastate on my bars
I havent had many situations where I had the empty gcd to use it
fossil jay
Hey guys, anyone got any insight on how prot looks for m+ in bfa?
warm plinth
You could probably get a decent idea by watching some M+ videos.
I haven't played on Beta or PTR personally
Though of course, things could change between now and when it actually releases for real.
dapper swift
Whats everybodys rotations looking like? Just curious since some people dont even have devastate on their bars lol
forest fern
someone was saying earlier that the bugged 4pc has been fixed now though, just not listed in the notes
forest fern
rotation varies i guess, SS>TC>devastate/revenge/IP rotating
amber siren
Wasn't stacking IP anymore for me earlier
forest fern
it was basically a scaling issue i believe, the little extra you were supposed to get was still stuck on the old scaling so it was huge chunks, basic scaling fixes which they are not listing in notes for obvious reasons has repaired it it seems
same as how the MoP level consumables didn't go down in the scaling, a bunch of stuff across all areas game wide were still stuck on the old scaling, which you'd know instantly if you went and poked a boss target dummy the other day ๐
robust bronze
@forest fern mhm, seems wired my tooltip says 9k was priviusly 8k so i dont know
on 4pc that is
forest fern
well it scales related to your current AP and stuff aswell maybe you had one at the time
or rather scales now off your weapon damage which is enhanced by multiple things
ivory elbow
can anyone link the hotfixes?
ivory elbow
thank you
blazing dirge
np
wild sandal
what legos should we go with now? i just find myself hardly ever press devastate , so im gussing i should lose the hands for something else
tawny panther
Belt shoudlers for me, but that's half for the luls
cinder roost
I like Belt/Legs - Belt/Bracers
wild sandal
ok, thank you guys, i like the shoulders leap indeed
tight wolf
i have a question about devastator talent, the icyveins guide says to never use it. yet all the top prot logs are using it?
forest fern
wasn't logs down meaning the logs you are reading about are before the patch which was when its the opposite of current live
tight wolf
logs are from today/yesterday
amber siren
the top logs are because of UF/AM, devastate is barely finding room in the rotation currently
That won't be the case at 120
forest fern
i would assume once decent gear starts happening it will again though if you get haste levels that high again
cinder roost
65% BV vs 33% Dev for 99th % in MM
white adder
Haste right now is just bonkers
Sitting at 52% haste pretty permanently in raids and dungeons is just retarded
forest fern
true but in raids ITF and even assumedly haste levels from tier 1 raiding in BFA will probably get you up into the 40's already again
i mean not being gcd locked with UF won't last for long at 120 and it will happen again
white adder
Iirc on beta in normal dungeon gear I was at about 20-25?
forest fern
granted an 8.1 patch will probably fix all of that with nerfs/changes
20-25 even with 5 stacks of ITF?
tight wolf
fair enough, didnt realize the guide was written for 120. thanks. @amber siren
amber siren
๐
finite cairn
Devastate just feels like the worst ability to push in the game rn, I wish theyโd do something with it
Like combine it with revenge somehow or just make devestator base
white adder
Personnaly the thing that feels worst is devastator not generating any rage but yeah the untalented devastate feels so bad when you have to fill a gcd with it
junior igloo
@tight wolf
Devastator is strong for dps, but Booming Voice is a lot better defensively (because it generates more rage with Anger Management).
(Also, haste has pretty much no effect on how many of your GCDs are empty.)
runic linden
1 question: some1 got problem with macro? i use this:
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast Intercept
/cast Shield Slam
but now doesn't work
suggestion?
civic holly
2 buttons
kind urchin
Intercept on gcd won't work.
cosmic cargo
isn't the only reason devastator is good now the gloves?
civic holly
devestate base ability doesnt have chance to reset SS anymore?
junior igloo
I'm not sure if it's the only reason, but the gloves have good synergy with Devastator, yeah.
vocal nimbus
devastate proc chance is 30%, devastator proc is 20
junior igloo
Devastate does have 30 %, autoattacks with Devastator 20.
But you do a lot more autoattacks than Devastate casts
runic linden
@civic holly @kind urchin ok, go to 2 buttons
cosmic cargo
you probably don't want to use that macro anyway
since after intercept you want to use demo shout if it's up
civic holly
tanking boss dummy kills me so fast now
i feel like i flew too close to the sun and my armor melted
strong forum
How many stacks
strong forum
Well, scaled to 120
sand trout
Unless they fixed it recently
Lol i remember in the legion patch trying to invade stormwind only four the guards to be 110and destroyed or lvl 100 asses
uneven mason
That happens every prepatch tho
the dummies are at the next Xpac cap heh
Same with guards
Like, don't start PVPing in a goblin city right now, cause the bruisers are 120
ember arrow
already on prepatch?
uneven mason
should be
I mean I didn't poke them
but thats how its been every other prepatch
is stuff is scaled up
signal plover
I mean just look at their fuckin levels guys
uneven mason
like Faction leaders should be scaled to 123
At work
so I am unable
How about that 2p set bonus tho guys
just saw it
5% armor
signal plover
In order hall big guy is 120+ little guy is 112
uneven mason
yeahbb
signal plover
We ended up 4 tanking heroic dogs last night lol
signal plover
Lol
uneven mason
Warrior stacking CDs held both dogs for the last 3%
signal plover
2 stack dot was ticking harder than 7 mythic stacks (before pre patch) lol
uneven mason
But Warriors are shit ๐
kind urchin
@runic linden I was responding to him. If you're going to two buttons for a two ability macro then what's the point of using a macro for it?
signal plover
Medivh and ivarest tho
signal plover
Tbh after doing the full heroic raid last night I think I'm done with legion pve cept the pre patch quests.
uneven mason
yeah
Argus was a joke
had more trouble with Aggramar
due to some folks not having CC
signal plover
We one shot both but we had strong CC for agg
signal plover
Two locks hunter druid monk and dps dk
uneven mason
Folks still adjusting to how squishy they are too