thi spec is dead at the moment
#protection
lyric vigil
strong forum
fucking weird
uneven mason
Nomeratur in the hits you took, was your block % mitigation 29% vs 58%
for normal/critical
thats what I was wondering
lyric vigil
its soo slow and boring
strong forum
HA
undone sun
If you're using dejacharacterstats, thats been causing issues with stats and tooltips
strong forum
it doesnt display my vs mitigation
junior ivy
really? casue i use that
uneven mason
wat
strong forum
for some reason
waxen cradle
Which is a 112 targeted lesser sparring partner in Skyhold
uneven mason
what meter do you use?
strong forum
im using details as meter, and elvui for character panel
uneven mason
I mean, basic UI tells you how much you blocked :p
...details int' very detailed if it doesn't tell you a breakdown of the hits you take
use Skada
that shit has some detaisl
strong forum
i havent even checked dmg taken
undone sun
Details almost certainly has a breakdown
signal plover
^
strong forum
how though
i only use it for dmg / healing done
never bothered with anything else
uneven mason
damage taken
strong forum
yea i know
uneven mason
should give you a breakdown of the hits you took
and % of damage blocked
raw damage etc
strong forum
no
waxen cradle
Nomeratur you said your block value was 1020 %, you did not mean the added bloock value from your shield did you ?
strong forum
junior ivy
is there some sort of new quest with prepatch that i should be doing??
waxen cradle
I was just confused how your block value could be 1020% as that's nuts and almost certainly a tooltip bug
strong forum
ofc it is
waxen cradle
What UI you running ?
strong forum
elvui
waxen cradle
10.75 yeah ?
strong forum
yea
waxen cradle
weird I am using the same one and mine does not do that
crude pond
I keep using SB as if it has GCD ๐ซ it's too rhythmic
plain vapor
@junior ivy next tuesday the battle for undercity and teldrassil wil be available
plain vapor
nothing now
junior ivy
ok ty
strong forum
so i guess no one knows how to access dmg taken breakdowns in details
waxen cradle
Well either way servers are going offline
strong forum
not on EU
waxen cradle
Just got a message in game servers going offline in 15 mins, which is now 14 mins
strong forum
nop
signal plover
Dios mijo
strong forum
as i've said a billion times over i dont raid
signal plover
U can log m+
signal plover
#shrug
strong forum
took a 7month break after 7.3 cuz i hated the patch
never got fully into the entire scene
but im planning in doing so in bfa
cuz i love fresh starts
new bear animation looks weird
mount*
primal crypt
YASSSS
strong forum
no longer obtainable is it
coral dew
Noob question: is there a way to toggle an "advanced" or "detailed" display of your character sheet
uneven mason
that trinket
so much DPS in WOTLK
used it at 80 cause of how broken SS was with ArP
fresh dragon
@fierce juniper mate. ur WA is still broken :\
fierce juniper
Does it still throw an error for you?
fresh dragon
no ill show u
a screenshot. 5 min i finish EoA
โค
the "?" is ur WA
i just see the value. no icon and no "time"
uneven mason
what language
fresh dragon
italian
uneven mason
Marok how could you miss adding the italian spell name for Ignore Pain to your WA
sheesh
fresh dragon
:V
old zephyr
I replaced the name by the ID somewhere and it was fixed for me
fresh dragon
i thought we used the ID too ๐
junior ivy
im confused about ilvl squish
if we are like ilvl 200 now
what ilvl is wod stuff?
and mop stuff?
and wotlk?
undone sun
Even lower
fierce juniper
oh
oh...
yeah i should not have used "Ignore Pain" for the trigger
whoops lol
oh well ill fix that when i get home
fierce juniper
yep
uneven mason
yeah database IDs save us from all of those sticky language issues since the translation gets done by the client instead of the script
waxen cradle
Hey Cosmo if your still around what did you figure out with how block value was reacting to 110 mobs
Or what did your tests discover
waxen cradle
So yeah watched the Q and A and some of the answered questions were relevant and the rest were eh!!! really DUH!!!
primal crypt
Joined a stream...this lady stated the following: "I've been playing WoW for a very long time, since vanilla in fact. I did quit for 10 years, and now I'm back playing a demon hunter after a long break. I'm what they call an OG player." 
weary notch
Old Grandma?
primal crypt
late 20s early 30s
uneven mason
OG Player - I was main tanking in Everquest in 1999
uneven mason
game is 14 years old now
I mean
if she was in beta
could be as much as 6years she played
primal crypt
I suppose you're right
uneven mason
Also when your in your 20s and you played as a teenager
if they played for 4 years
that would be a long fucking tiem for them
relative
Time passed is subject to perspective right? Like I don't find Prot to be slow in prepatch, but some of these hyper youngins might find it incredibly slow paced
Just like I don't mind waiting 20minutes for food to be served but my 4 year old thinks the world will end before her chicken strips arrive
signal plover
Ya it's prepatch
They don't care
"oops"-blizz.
(they'll prolly tune it a lil bit)
upbeat iron
Not sure why anyone cares about prepatch dps numbers anyways
sharp junco
2 piece is useless rn, or am I missing something?
undone sun
That's correct
vocal nimbus
i dont care about dps numbers, i care about farming the mount ๐คท
steep condor
Just watching kelani's tank comparison - prot warrior gets poo'd on again ๐ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JANHnXghnk0
i know we already have Sco voodoo dolls on order.. better get some Kelani one's too ๐
tulip arch
At least in that video it is much more clear he is talking about his personal feel on the matter
steep condor
this is true. ok maybe we just poke him with a few pins rather than actually decapitate him?
main vault
He doesnt really rank them does he? just kinda explains then
steep condor
he definitely says warriors are likely to be towards the bottom of the pile.. this is ranking ๐
he says monk will be top.. followed by vdh and pala ..
frigid basin
It feels like he just ranked them on what he likes playing
steep condor
punish?
strong forum
๐คท
vocal nimbus
these videos get far more attention than what they truly deserve
frigid basin
and has no idea what he's talking about
strong forum
yea instead of ITF
strong forum
didnt mention bolster or CDs at all
frigid basin
Exactly
strong forum
garbage
steep condor
you are all die hards.. newbies like me do get sucked in to them.
strong forum
trust the warrior discord, or atleast some of us
frigid basin
The goal in life should be to avoid the AIDS, not become it
strong forum
not some youtubers
steep condor
haha ๐
vocal nimbus
the rule of thumb is, if you need to look up what tank will be the best, then it wont really matter what you play
strong forum
but this shows again that the wide majority of players dont even know anything but the "IP is bad now" warrior
and refuse to go more into detail
steep condor
look i can't really be a paladin.. they live in a god damn church/cathedral... i cant be a vdh because they are essentially strippers.... i dont have a top level dk.. i dont have a monk at all.. i hear guardian is boring as hell (although i do have neon bear which is very cute)... so that leaves me with warrior.
signal plover
Or "Shield block has lots of downtime" and don't think about proper bolster useage
strong forum
or AM at all
signal plover
Or preemptive CD use
tender imp
community perception sadly is a big thing, ever since nighthold most people just laugh at warrs
primal crypt
random disconnects again.....
tender imp
even tho tomb and argus we were fine
signal plover
Anyone tried stacking heroic dogs yet?
Hearing lots of warnings
I'm assuming cuz of the ticking dot
primal crypt
@strong forum what did you ask him?
strong forum
"still not using bolster?"
primal crypt
y tho
strong forum
because bad
stuck oxide
Since tidyplate seems to be broken
strong forum
my guess is he doesnt know about it ooooor wants to keep it a secret
stuck oxide
What should i use
stuck oxide
Never
strong forum
well rip
lone cobalt
threat plates
steep condor
what is bolster exactly? i thought it was an m+ affix.
tender imp
talent
steep condor
ah ok
strong forum
and you get 100% block for the entire duration
and last stand also heals
making it the best talent by far on the row, but he uses Indom ( 10 % more HP )
waxen cradle
I honestly think Prot Warriors will be the sleeper tank, or in other words the tank that everyone thinks is bad because a very large majority of players listened to popular streamers and had no opinion of there own
strong forum
same
waxen cradle
Which is annoying because most of the popular streamers have no idea what they are talking about in terms of Prot Warriors
primal crypt
I just wish they didn't get rid of the warbringer stun
that stun was my favorite part
across all tanks
so much add control
strong forum
i get so giga triggered in Naowh's stream cuz he makes prot warri out to be a giant fucking meme
junior ivy
how come im already in a community?
strong forum
shakib atleast is still at the point to say he doesnt know
but naowh just makes fun of warri
strong forum
not with bolster and a proper player
tender imp
even with bolster its pretty low
waxen cradle
Well I will say this for any concerns gear at least one or two other tanks relatively close to your Prot Warrior if that what you main and if that is your concern
strong forum
yea only 97%
tender imp
97% what?
strong forum
uptime on AM
waxen cradle
Bolster has no affect on SBlock uptime
strong forum
counts as AM though
primal crypt
they can do the content, just not at the highest tier of play
warriors aren't competitive
waxen cradle
Yeah it counts as active mit, but if your using last stand on top of shield block your being silly
primal crypt
^this
waxen cradle
Which sucks because M+ stands to matter even more then it did in Legion
steep condor
m+ is my focus.. this makes me feel bad
primal crypt
M+ they're down in the dumps by a very large margin
strong forum
well
steep condor
makes me think im in the wrong class
strong forum
you will be able to do your 15s with your group
primal crypt
@steep condor in raids you'll di great
strong forum
can push higher
steep condor
i dont plan to raid much.. work/family get in way
strong forum
just not as high as VDH, but only a couple of levels i reckon
primal crypt
^
waxen cradle
As I said if you want to do M+ have alts relatively geared because DK/DH will shine there
primal crypt
VDH/BDK still top
steep condor
not WF for sure
primal crypt
yeah, that's the truth
steep condor
but i defintely wanna go beyond 15!
steep condor
and yes i pug.. and i worry i will be ignored
red cave
warrior was able to do 20-25s pretty fine this tier
strong forum
still is
red cave
so i mean, thats still fine for most
strong forum
warris have completed 25s in prepatch already
waxen cradle
Yeah exactly if all your worried about is your weekly +10/15 key then it does not matter what tank you play
steep condor
yeah i noticed that very recently and that's what convince me to stick with my ariror.
warrior
but i know it will be harder for me than if i chose vdh
but at least i get to keep my shirt on
tender imp
i mean warr atm with 100% uptime of demo shout and the broken 4set
primal crypt
yeah, no worries
tender imp
its good, but bfa will remove those
steep condor
weekly is a pretty low bar man!
i mean if m+ is my focus i dont wanna just do my weekly
knotty sparrow
Do we have any obvious "how to survive Scythe on Argus in pre-patch" knowledge yet? Didn't see a pin for it unfortunately ๐ฆ
primal crypt
oh...
waxen cradle
It really will not remove the uptime on DShout
steep condor
๐
primal crypt
then you will always get invited to any group
steep condor
exactly
tender imp
u lose thundergod belt
waxen cradle
Stack 3 Deafening crash traits and it is the same as the belt leggo, but better
strong forum
yea
ember arrow
DS is already 45 sec cd
ember arrow
:2
strong forum
deafening crash increases duration of demo beyond double its time
so its more AM uptime than belt gives you
waxen cradle
3 stacks of the deafening crash trait gives us back the affect of the leggo belt but also adds 3 seconds to DShouts debuff per TClap
Yeah exactly like I said it gives back the affect and more
tender imp
Thunder Clap deals an additional 50 damage and extends the duration of your Demoralizing Shout on affected enemies by 1 sec.
as i read this
if u stack to 3
u gain 3 sec every tclap right
strong forum
yea
steep condor
sephuz + feet for levelling... and bracers + legs for dungeons.. are good choices?
strong forum
so its more uptime on Demo debuff
feet for leveling are useless
and so are legs for dungeons
waxen cradle
Deafening Crash and the Iron Fortress traits are huge
lusty grotto
feet for leveling are good due to move speed
waxen cradle
Iron Fortress adds block value by itself
lusty grotto
not sure why you think they are useless
steep condor
on here the other day just about everyone said feet are good for levelling!
lusty grotto
every little counts
red cave
the big difference between the belt and that trait, is the belt works on your 2nd and 3rd pull, the trait doe snot
waxen cradle
We will be able to block a shit ton of damage, the only hindrance is that it is only relevant to damage that can be reduced by armor or blocking, but really that is a category all tanks fall into
steep condor
so what are good m+ leggos then?
lusty grotto
you can still swap gear while leveling so
strong forum
voyle, its 45sec cd working with AM
tender imp
its a good trait no doubt, but that is not what im saying, its just not better than the belt.
red cave
ya, just re-equip your trinket every 90 seconds
strong forum
you will have it 2-3 times per pack regardless
tender imp
uptime doesnt matter when the mobs dont live that long
casting it more often is way better
steep condor
ahh no loot from weekly chest.. just a load of wakening essence.
red cave
also its only the first like 4-5 hours that your legendary works anyways, even if you pick a terrible one shouldnt hold you back too much
strong forum
^
waxen cradle
the thing is the damage from TClap is so high stacking the DCrash trait that the benefit is equal during ST fights as well
waxen cradle
The benefit from the Leggo is it is only relevant on multiples
main vault
Best leveling leggo is sephuz and aggramars boots anyways
strong forum
idk man i disagree with boots
steep condor
aggramars boost?
waxen cradle
you have to hit multiple mobs to reduce the CD on Demo shout
strong forum
aggramars stride is the proper name
steep condor
ok cool..
chrome harbor
Gotta go fast!
strong forum
i will go with bracers and sephuz
waxen cradle
With the Deafening Crash trait its benefit is shown on ST and AoE
robust urchin
Don't
main vault
You can pull entire quests of mobs already, so no reason to add more dps or healing
So speed will be #1 stat
hot locust
@tender imp the duration bonus on Deafening Crash doesn't stack unfortunately.
robust urchin
Fury and Arms look way more appealing to level
waxen cradle
Which is why its better then the leggo belt I think or well just one reason
tender imp
really?
hot locust
Yes.
tender imp
then its garbage trait
hot locust
Sense figured it out yesterday after testing around.
main vault
Im leveling all 6 of my tanks as tanks
hot locust
It's bugged and gives 2 seconds even if you only have 1 trait.
waxen cradle
As far as I know that is a bug
strong forum
nano i recently tried leveling on beta, and did more dps as prot cuz prot gear, literally oneshot everything
hot locust
So even though we both have 2/3 of it, we only get 2 seconds, and if you have 1/3 or 3/3 you also only get 2 seconds per.
robust urchin
Do you level with war mode?
main vault
Why would you level without it
robust urchin
Because i get totally reckt with war mode as prot
strong forum
however shieldbash's been nerfed
waxen cradle
@hot locust I assume that is a bug
strong forum
yea
waxen cradle
Because why would 1 trait by default apply 2 seconds
robust urchin
Yesterday a squad of total 6 horde were in kul tiras ganking
hot locust
Yes, I said it was a bug.
strong forum
wont have these problems on launch
main vault
they will be busy leveling themselves
main vault
Noone cares about you
strong forum
so its free 10%
waxen cradle
Unless either the duration is supposed to be 2 secs by default and its a tooltip bug
tender imp
i mean as it stands iron fortress is gonna be better probably
last i checked one trait gave 4% damred on block
hot locust
I agree Floody.
waxen cradle
Or it can be stacked
tender imp
so if u stack it
hot locust
I think it's likely with it not stacking that We'll go 1x Deafening Crash and 2x Iron Fortress.
strong forum
^
hot locust
You'll still want 1 deafening.
strong forum
sounds reasonable
hot locust
Even if it is fixed to only 1 second.
strong forum
and iron fortress is giga strong in wpvp ๐
waxen cradle
Yeah that is a possibility
strong forum
or pvp in general
tender imp
iron fortress also does decent dmg in m+
strong forum
yup
robust urchin
What armor is iron fortress on?
waxen cradle
We will just have to see because they did say in the Q and A they are watching the popular traits
strong forum
double dmg on crit block
robust urchin
I mean which piece of armor has it
strong forum
every
robust urchin
strong forum
bruv
steep condor
i will level as tank.. will go with sephuz and boots.. but for now.. i guess i better just ght prot gear for doing m+ until bfa comes out.
tender imp
pretty sure u can get every trait on every slot
waxen cradle
I am at least hoping the bug is intended to either allow us to stack deafening crash to 2 stacks or it is meant to be 2 seconds baseline
waxen cradle
That would make the most sense
strong forum
since itll be uber dominant
waxen cradle
If its baseline duration extension is 2 seconds that would be ideal but I am not getting my hopes up
waxen cradle
You know what they say expect the worst and hope for the best
Ultimately the 3 I am going to keep the closest eye on will be Deafening Crash, Iron Fortress, and Reinforced plating
strong forum
well brace for impact isnt half bad either
waxen cradle
Callous Reprisal and Brace for Impact will be pretty good, but the other 3 stand out
Yeah I agree @strong forum
strong forum
uuh
waxen cradle
yes it does
strong forum
but the haven azerite droplet thingy doesnt right
steel junco
guys am I being dumb, or is Avatar not in my spellbook
strong forum
that boosts HP
undone sun
Respec
strong forum
respec
undone sun
waxen cradle
Yeah the droplet droplet does not but I rarely used it anyway
hot locust
Nah it doesn't stack but it drops more often.
waxen cradle
Well as far as I know anyway
hot locust
It's actually pretty good.
strong forum
sounds good though
steel junco
Thanks a tonne, that worked :D
waxen cradle
Yeah I did not use the droplet too much because I got Azerite gear with better options
Some of the gear I got from Arathi the 7th Legion gear had some nice haste boosting traits on it
which is where I got near 50% haste on beta
well more 45%
but still 45% haste from any means was NICE
and with the traits from the 7 Legion gear at 355 to 370 item level it was possible and the 370 gear will be a bonus from doing the quest to win Stromgarde
glacial flint
does bolster block work ? im at a dummy.. and i get meele hits with last stand
glacial flint
ah ye ^^ sry
main vault
The dummy is level 123, so theres that
glacial flint
not like parry.. reducing hits ๐
glacial flint
2 hot in here for my brain
strong forum
i got to 11 on the lesser and 3 on the bigger
weary notch
think I'm 224, and that's without 4pc
onyx radish
Whats the cap on IP?
acoustic sparrow
the order hall dummies?
strong forum
the sparring partner yea
signal plover
@onyx radish IP cap is dynamic check the pinned guide
onyx radish
I see the WA but I'm just curious how IP works now.
weary notch
check the icy veins guide
onyx radish
There is no artifact ability that increases it. I know the talent "NEver Surrender" can increase it but bolster is better.
OK. Jeez
Sorry I meant ok. Then I read it
and my "Jeez" is in response to the really small cap on it.
1.3 times cast? wow
warm plinth
@onyx radish IP cap is 1.3 casts of IP. The formula is (0+attack power*3.5) * (1+versatility)
onyx radish
Damn.
I'm really curious about the direction they're going in with tanks. I've seen on pally and druid, as well as IP, they moved heals onto the GCD. Nerfed all of them too pretty hard.
signal plover
The cap size is determinedย on cast.
For example, say normally the absorb you get is 10,000. Your cap would be 13,000 when you castย ๏ฟผย Ignore Pain. You take some damage and your absorb drops to 4,000. When you cast that same Ignore Pain again, your total absorb is now 13,000, and you waste 1,000 of it because your cap is 13,000.
Using that same example again, say you drop to 4,000 absorb, but before you cast Ignore Pain again, you gain an Attack Power buff. This is where the "on cast" part comes into play. Say with that Attack Power buff, the size of your Ignore Pain would be 14,000. That means your cap is now (14000 * 1.3) 18,200. So, if you cast Ignore Pain, you will end up with (4000 + 14000) 18,000 absorb. As you can see, you did not waste any absorb because your on-cast cap was large enough.
onyx radish
Pally mitigation switched from % DR to armor now too.
signal plover
That was the main point from the guide
steep condor
Is the icy veins build a good place to start? I'll be doing m+ until levelling is available in bfa:
signal plover
Regarding how cap is calculated on cast
weary notch
my guess it's IP will likely see a slight buff, but after legion launches' "invunerable prot war" weeks (i.e. Disc Warrior), I think they're going to err on the side of caution
warm plinth
So did DH, though theirs was always purely physical.
steep condor
Into the Fray
Bounding Stride
Unstoppable Force
Bolster
Rumbling Earth
Booming Voice
Anger Management
signal plover
@steep condor yes icy veins guides are made by warrior discord peeps now
steep condor
cool
warm plinth
@steep condor All icy veins guides are written by prominent theorycrafters for the spec now. At least in our case, the IV guide is the guide
undone sun
They hired new and better wirters for BFA, protwar is bring written by marok
steep condor
hmmm booming voice rather than devestator?
undone sun
Yes
steep condor
what's the thinking there? those shield slam resets are nice no?
undone sun
Devastator doesn't innately generate rage anymore and it's not just about the gcd
onyx radish
I think devastator got nerfed to 20% proc rate right?
undone sun
Bv generates more rage
undone sun
Correct
steep condor
sorry for the very noob questions..
the fact that you haven't all kicked me out makes me wanna stay in the prot warrior bortherhoood more
warm plinth
If your kind of "noob questions" caused people to get kicked, there would be no Skyhold.
weary notch
folks are pretty chill here. Just don't post any bear memes
fringe marten
How are the new..? allied races for prot? specifically the tauren
vocal nimbus
@onyx radish thats right
warm plinth
In fairness @onyx radish, we don't have to cast Devastate that often.
vocal nimbus
^ I find myself spamming TC
warm plinth
So the rotation won't feel that different. Other than IP being on GCD
onyx radish
True, but the extra timing with TC and Revenge vs autoattack was awesome
fringe marten
aye Tclap and revenge have the same 30% for shield bash reset
onyx radish
I do wish IP was still off GCD, slowed down tanking a bit.
However, warrior is more fun than paladin still.
modest crest
So I got to play with the new stuff last night in a raid setting...few questions if I may. I used into the fray but found myself lacking friends and foes in some fights. I read that punish is a good single target reduction but I thought I read that it stacks a few times. Is it just 3% reduction? Because that doesnโt seem like much vs the haste gain of into the fray
fringe marten
IP, Demo shout, and avatar all b eing on GCD makes our opener feel sluggish
onyx radish
No more damage macros ๐ฆ
modest crest
And for some reason I thought we still had a battle cry or equivalent but apparently not? So we only have avatar and Demo shout to boost dmg? Or did I miss something
onyx radish
Demo with BV.
fringe marten
I didn't even macro them but I could just quickly pop them as needed before...now they're actually part of our opener and it's just..slow..ugh
undone sun
Correct, battlecry / recklessness was removed for prot
warm plinth
But guys we have Battle Shout now. Shouts are better than Cries. ๐
vocal nimbus
During BL+avatar i have enough haste to not have CD in thunderclap
undone sun
๐
modest crest
I felt weaker for sure. We just ran a fun normal antorus to play with the changes and my healers said theyโve never had to heal me like they did last night. We didnโt struggle but I felt squishy
onyx radish
๐ Avatar - "Transform into a colossus..." I'm grey....
fringe marten
uh BRONZE sir...bronze'ish? but yeah..kinda' grey
onyx radish
Wasnt there an actual transformation before?
steep condor
so when do you use devastate? any time thunder clap and shield slam are on cooldown?
weary notch
that why you roll dwarf - so you can macro avatar and stoneform and turn HUGE
warm plinth
My girlfriend was going through her toons' spellbooks yesterday going "oh that's new, and that's new". I look over and she's talking about Battle Shout, Serpent Sting, Recklessness, Rallying Cry
vocal nimbus
you grow a bit and turn into stone @onyx radish
modest crest
Donโt want to beat a dead horse but IP was significantly weaker than normal. My healing on felhounds always was 1M per sec ish and it was 290k compared to our healers still pushing 900k if I recall the logs correctly
warm plinth
I'm like welllll those aren't actually new...
steep condor
i read now that you just shield block and only ignore pain if shield block is on cooldown.. is that right?
i used to keep ignore pain up as much as possible
onyx radish
It's not that intimidating with my xmog:
warm plinth
No IP is used with SB on anything blockable
fringe marten
Should I stay dwarf or do the work to be able to swap over to new tauren?
warm plinth
That's a cute xmog
undone sun
Separate factions
warm plinth
Dwarves are the master race
prisma crane
late to the devastate party but i swear, unless i really start trying hard again, i may just never cast devastate lol, fuck it
fringe marten
There's a new dwarf right? like dark dwarf?
signal plover
Ya
modest crest
I found myself clicking it relatively often (devastate)
fringe marten
will they be any better for tanking than standard dwarf?
signal plover
They're cool too, racials are meh I'm but cool looks
modest crest
Waiting on cooldowns
warm plinth
Nope.
prisma crane
there's so much more you can use than devastate
lusty grotto
"clicking" it?
prisma crane
TC, Rev, any CD, etc
fringe marten
(nimchip caught it too)
junior ivy
it isnt fair
prisma crane
SS, etc
junior ivy
i want devestator back
steep condor
so basically dont use devastate?
signal plover
Use devastate
warm plinth
We're not saying that
signal plover
When appropriate
steep condor
(i have booming voice)
prisma crane
hey cat, remember when you didnt want to swap to devastator a long time ago?
steep condor
ok when is appropriate?
warm plinth
Lol! I remember that Krotos
modest crest
Well pushing my gaming mouse button lol. I havenโt clicked a skill in quite some time. I found myself not using revenge unless free because it ate rage from IP or block
signal plover
Guys take the time to read Marok's guide
junior ivy
okay but seriously by far the abvsolute worst thing about bfa so far is that i have FOUR more abilities in prot compared to fury
prisma crane
mhm and now you're like us, and hate this new shit, so much easier to remove something from a bar than to add it
warm plinth
Also, cat is a 3k+ M+ score clicker tank
junior ivy
and it messes up my action bars
fringe marten
you don't want to..turn around...and...desert devestator???
signal plover
It answers all of this
lusty grotto
yup i know this worldcrusher lol
warm plinth
Were you just afraid we had another one to try to convert? ๐
fringe marten
I thought alliance could be mountain tauren?
junior ivy
wanna see the most terrible thing, here
jhere is prot action bars
n0ow get ready to cry
her eis fury
4 MISSING ABILITIES
robust urchin
using potions
warm plinth
No. All of the allied races go to the faction of the "base race" except void elf and nightborne
robust urchin
Look at this elitist toxic raider
Potions is basically cheating
Don't you read wow forums?
undone sun
robust urchin
๐ ๐
junior ivy
do you guys see how awful the action bar situation is though?????
signal plover
Dat penismans
junior ivy
i dunon how to fix it
signal plover
It's fine cat
fringe marten
Is this channel also going to become meme central? =\
robust urchin
It's not bait it's an actual thread on the official forums some time ago
signal plover
It's more symmetrical than mine lol
No memehammer here is pretty strict
Thyme doesn't sleep or is at least 1.5 ppl
junior ivy
lol look atr my weakauras when i do /wa and they all show up
glacial flint
weee im finish with update my weakauras ๐
undone sun
Lol
junior ivy
i think i literally have over 50 now
vocal nimbus
i use none ๐
signal plover
Kek
signal plover
I can't imagine prot warr without WAs anymore
junior ivy
its looking okay ish
dull wagon
I downloaded somebody's pack yesterday, not loving it. Going to probably keep the couple things I like and blow up the rest.
vocal nimbus
I use blizzard's native resources thing, paw
robust urchin
You're running fast
fringe marten
^^
junior ivy
lol thats so i dont forget to change out of speed set
signal plover
Main thing I redid for BFA is move my HP bar and target bar out of the center and just use a stations hp/power icehud
robust urchin
Might aswell add 2 more waa for battle shout and fortitude
fringe marten
Fortitude is only for arms or fury yes?
glacial flint
@junior ivy grid ui addon name?
strong forum
@modest crest tanks aren't supposed to self sustain anymore, you WILL need a healer that's how bfa will be
Ofc healers will have to heal you muuuch more now
junior ivy
how do communities work?
modest crest
Yeah thatโs what we were talking about in the raid. It didnโt feel bad it just felt different
robust urchin
Like discord
strong forum
Just like a discord channel
undone sun
Well
robust urchin
Expect region locked
strong forum
Well. Same with discord
main vault
They are worthless
robust urchin
And faction locked
robust urchin
Same
junior ivy
i think i might be in 2
main vault
So you will onyl be able to talk to US-Alliance or whatever you are
strong forum
Same, ima join a couple m+ ones in bfa
junior ivy
robust urchin
I bet the first community ever created will be a goldshire ERP one
main vault
Yeah Im not wasting me time with them
grim prism
tfw we're gonna spend all expac convincing Cat to switch back from deva
strong forum
Gonna be exclusive shit
junior ivy
hahaha
undone sun
Lol
junior ivy
took you guys a long time to convince me to use warbringer too
and then i finally did, and LOVED IT
and now its gone.
modest crest
I miss that one already
junior ivy
so d oi
so much
its like automatic reflex i /focus the melee dps when i join a m+ group
for my warbringer macro
but then i remember i cant do it
strong forum
There's prob gonna be communities like 2k-3k rio score 3k-4k score and so on and so forth
robust urchin
Why would anyone use devastator now
grim prism
Not wanting to put devastate on your bars, presumably
robust urchin
I'm actually glad devastator isn't the go to now
junior ivy
im really doing itr
strong forum
HYPERS
junior ivy
im heading to sw
strong forum
Big boi league now
undone sun
Were you on a pvp or pve server before hand @junior ivy
junior ivy
btw i loooove that the warrior discord is super active again. it was like 2 months of crickets and then a few weeks of "MAGE TOWER!!!!!!!!"
and now its fun again
strong forum
Sept 4th heroic week begins!
weary notch
it doesn't matter; the very second we get used to hitting devasate again they're going to buff devastator so it's the only choice
grim prism
I havent played long enough to know, but it seems like devastator just doesn't really add much compared to the other stuff on that tier
robust urchin
For the whole time i used it never took devastate of my bars it was my friend for many years i couldn't abondon it
junior ivy
thyme im on sargeras now which is pvp yeah but thats only past few months
grim prism
I'm sure Marok covered it ad nauseum in the guide
strong forum
So 3 weeks after bfa launch raid will open!
junior ivy
i was always on non pvp until i switched to sargeras
weary notch
I like devastate, too
errant wing
warrior discord, best discord
grim prism
Memehold besthold
lusty grotto
๐
junior ivy
warrior discord was responsible for me switching to sargeras realm
undone sun
So warmode isn't anything new if you were on a pvp or server
pale vigil
Warmode is great and devestator feels bad now. Maybe it is just low haste ATM.
strong forum
Devastator will always be worse than BV as it stands currently
robust urchin
As long as devastator isn't giving any rage its a dead meme
strong forum
Yup
grim prism
You guys should tell Macro I'm back for BfA and see how long it is before he posts here again
pale vigil
So sad because it was amazing for many years
pale vigil
I thought it was 2
grim prism
๐
outer slate
Anyone happen to know why there isnโt a SimC APL for prot? Random question
undone sun
Because it's not up to date
lusty grotto
for dps? yeah
robust urchin
Because everyone decided to not include warriors
undone sun
๐
weary notch
wait, does warmode still give the 10% buff on PvP servers, too?
undone sun
Yes
undone sun
But pvp servers arent a thing
robust urchin
There are only SERVERS no
undone sun
It's warmode on or off
pale vigil
Just normal and rp
weary notch
oh, didn't realize
undone sun
You get sharded with people that have the same warmode settings
wraith ginkgo
Guys here in Prot how's it going?
weary notch
I've always been on PvE
wraith ginkgo
So far so good or?
little rain
+11 Haste gem vs +10 Str gem, thoughts? Haven't seen a comprehensive re-evaluation of our stat weights for pre-patch
robust urchin
It's horrible
pale vigil
Warmode is pvp now and balances horde vs alliance per shard
robust urchin
Reroll now
lusty grotto
๐ค
robust urchin
Btw if anyone tried to sell you a belt buckle dont buy it
undone sun
The IV guide goes over stats
weary notch
BUT MY PANTS
robust urchin
I managed to make 60k on them but they do not work
pale vigil
Each shard should have close to equal horde and ally
pale vigil
I am enjoying prot
robust urchin
Preach is rerolling to warrior
waxen talon
screw preach
robust urchin
So expect an influx of new warriors
waxen talon
he should go bear.
grim prism
I can tell you I throroughly enjoyed my first BG, in which I mistakely queued as damage and ended up topping charts as Fury with half an actionbar and no PvP talents
So that is clearly balanced
weary notch
sco rates warriors low, preach is rerolling to one - the communities head is going to explode
waxen talon
omg is Balsaq back
sour wigeon
LOL
robust urchin
Sco rates tanks on first world races
weary notch
OMG MAH INTERNET IDULZ DISAGREE
waxen talon
rating tanks on first world races is a meme
robust urchin
Preach does whats good enough for mythic raids and is fun to him
waxen talon
cant wait for balance slap
robust urchin
I actually expect a lot of warriors to reroll
lusty grotto
rofl
grim prism
Tanking is a meme Frattp; we are here because nobody else volunteered
Anyone know if theyve hotfixed tanking dummies? I presume it's not high up on their to-do list
grim prism
It's scaled to push my shit right in with no mercy
strong forum
What do you mean hotfix we tanking dummies balsaq
waxen talon
yea ur gonna die in 2-3 hits
lusty grotto
its scaled to 120 yea
hollow pine
Would be nice if indomitable gave an extra sb charge, they can keep the hp...
waxen talon
which feels natural if u were a 90 tanking a 100 dummy tbh.
strong forum
I survived to 3 stacks on big dummy and 11 on lesser
waxen talon
u popped all cds on charge and turtled.
warm plinth
It's actually sad how bad the other two talents in the Bolster row are.
waxen talon
i charged in and exepected to go 5 stacks before i would push a cd and got blown up
main vault
Why would they hotfix what is intended?
waxen talon
@warm plinth its sad how they keep pushijng for never surrender to be a thing but never fix it.
strong forum
Never surrender would need to be 300% based on HP and maybe then it would be interesting
warm plinth
Yeah, like all they would have to do to make it at least decent is raise the base of it. Having to be dead to get 100% more IP is stupid.
waxen talon
having never surrender scale to IP is stupid in the first place
warm plinth
especially in IP's current state where it's really not very lifesaving anyway
waxen talon
it was stupid even with the prioer state.
strong forum
Wasn't good in Legion so why would it be good anytime in bfa
waxen talon
it had its uses early legion
warm plinth
I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm saying that the already bad talent is actually worse now because IP is worse.
strong forum
And Legion IP was as we know 500% stronger as our current one
warm plinth
Bolster is actually very strong
strong forum
Yea
grim prism
Seems like tanks across the board got mitigation nerfs
waxen talon
not compare to old devastor
lusty grotto
they did balsaq
strong forum
Every tank got nerfed yes
grim prism
So i wouldnt really try to compare things to how they used to be
warm plinth
Devastator isn't in the same row though
lusty grotto
helaers have to keep tanks up now
waxen talon
Well
warm plinth
Or are you talking about the old row
waxen talon
never surrender is worse cuz so is bolster and so is indomitable
warm plinth
Bolster wasn't a talent before though. You lost me there lol
sour wigeon
is it safe to assume we will be ~40% haste with ITF in uldir?
waxen talon
but to make it all compareable they nerfed all of the things
sour wigeon
now as in beta correct? if so thats much higher than i expected
warm plinth
We are using gear that is 80-100 ilevels lower than dungeon blues at 120
robust urchin
The future is now old man
red cave
you but your rating to % scales based on your character level, if you dont change any gear, and gain a level, your haste goes down
waxen talon
most likely not
lusty grotto
we arent
waxen talon
starting expansion with this high stats is stupidity
warm plinth
Right, but we will have a substantial ilevel gain over that period too. I would guess that it will even out, assuming you kept the relative equivalent to your current gear.
waxen talon
blizzard obviously wanna avoid ending with like 60% crit
lusty grotto
i will even out, as we level up
main vault
It's just like any leveling
waxen talon
hahahha btw
warm plinth
Heroic blues are 325 ilevel, Mythic epics are 340
waxen talon
have anyone tried prot warrior on world pvp?
main vault
The % will go down each level you get
lusty grotto
^
main vault
You'll be at like <10% at 120
waxen talon
u will probably sit at roughly 20% haste with first raid gear
thats how its been last few expans as far as i remember
sour wigeon
well i have seen people at around 27-29% on stats they are prioritizing on beta
before anything like ITF comes into play
warm plinth
Just depends on how lucky you get with stat allocation on your gear I guess. Just like any other expansion.
main vault
At like 360-370 sure
waxen talon
and then again
if we get a nice haste trinket
or maybe forced to use a crit one ๐
but seriously, has anyone tried to gank people in world pvp as prot in the prepatch? Xd
i havent felt so useless in a while
i litterally just respeced for arms for all world content
warm plinth
I guess it was super fun for a bit to attack casters/healers with Shield Bash, but then they gutted Shield Bash
waxen talon
ofc they did, theres no way it was meant to override ur rotation and just spam bash
should work as a alternative for devaste spam with a sick effect if anything
warm plinth
I'm not a PvPer anyway, so it doesn't affect me. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
robust urchin
Wpvp is desd for prot
viral garden
Here's a question. With devastate being pressed so little, what are the thoughts on Soul of the Battlelord for BV + Vengeance?
robust urchin
I've convinced a friend to level with me as hpally
Gonna go arms for levelling and gank horde in voldun
warm plinth
I was actually thinking of using Insignia over gloves tbh...seems like 2% flat damage is better than the very rarely buffed SS or TC.
From a pure DPS standpoint, ofc
main vault
wpvp is dead for everyone, not just Prot lol
waxen talon
i just double ganked a ret pala as arms
i like it
but fact gear is less relevant is stupid af
whats fun about mythic raiding if i cant go kill people in greens with my shiny gear ;_;
warm plinth
How did they make gear less relevant?
lusty grotto
bleh
warm plinth
Do you get the PvP template stuff in war mode?
lusty grotto
its perfect
warm plinth
I'm alliance so War Mode is basically not an option for me ๐
lusty grotto
gearing for pve to have an advantage in pvp is absolutely terrible
waxen talon
agree
but world pvp is world pvp
its sandbox
not balance mess
world pvp is never balanced since some classes are based aroudn 1v1 more
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter, just play well and you'll win
waxen talon
not to mention 90% of world pvp is like
"oh u just pulled 3 mobs; lemme stab u in the back"
lusty grotto
i mean, it is now thant it matches you with even number of the opposite faction
warm plinth
Yeah I really don't think the gloves are going to be that useful as of right now, with the low cast rate of Devastate.
waxen talon
unlesss u do ur clap rotation in avatar like
clap > deva > clap > deva > clap
it has little to no use
warm plinth
Anyone have an average CD on Avatar with AM?
onyx vessel
so whats good for legos
waxen talon
talking leveling or m+?
onyx vessel
m+
warm plinth
I mean, if Ava's CD is relatively low in like a M+ setting, gloves are probably still the go-to if you're using Unstoppable Force
waxen talon
tbh walls fell might be decent rn
onyx vessel
lvling id assume is belt and SS
waxen talon
yea but wrist/gloves are shit
so i would wallsfell/prydaz/sephuz 2nd slot probably
or maybe even archimonde.
onyx vessel
was thinking trinket
warm plinth
Wrists are still BiS defensively. They just aren't quite as impressive as they were when we were overflowing with rage.
onyx vessel
dps one
waxen talon
sephuz xD
onyx vessel
prob
onyx vessel
tier slot
waxen talon
tier pants are bad anyway ๐