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hidden axle
burnt tusk
I got this by marok
hidden axle
its sexy
burnt tusk
Doesn't work, unfortunately
burnt tusk
Yes, it is
https://puu.sh/AZmyS/06d4fe3a8a.png looks' like that, all the time
Got WA 2, version 2.6.0 for game version 8.0.1
fierce juniper
are you on an english client?
burnt tusk
yes
Is it possible, that is has something to do with my level?
Usually the spell shouldn't change, but my warrior is level 42, maybe it has something to do with that?
burnt tusk
Excuse me, NS means?
burnt tusk
okay
burnt tusk
Which value do you need?
fierce juniper
the 4th
burnt tusk
[4]=false
burnt tusk
damn
tulip arch
Could the IP be low enough that the comma is not matching?
fierce juniper
yeah thats it
tulip arch
Damn edge cases, lol
burnt tusk
Aaah so as soon as it hits 1k+ it should work?
fierce juniper
yep
fierce juniper
pretty much π
burnt tusk
yea, most people don't use WA on this level, so why implement it for them, makes sense
burnt tusk
Oh nice, thx
robust urchin
I was about to ask how is it possible ur ip only goes upbto 881
burnt tusk
Level 42 π Haha
fierce juniper
i think they're doing rolling realm restarts
burnt tusk
Restart your wow, you might have an update queued
Had the same prob yesterday, showed me the realms are offline
fierce juniper
burnt tusk
Dont have that notification on my Launcher π
robust bronze
Different region prob
burnt tusk
y, true
carmine cobalt
Eu?
burnt tusk
I'm on EU, US realms some are down
robust bronze
How much hp dose people has as prot currently?
rapid trench
45.5k
robust urchin
I think i have about 42 or 43
robust bronze
i am around 45.3k myself, but it seems kinda low compared to other tanks
signal plover
47.7 at 250ilvl
robust urchin
Well warriors always had a smaller pool
I mean you could take indomitable
π π
burnt tusk
Make warriors great again
robust urchin
I'd like to see Genn as high king
He already build a big wall
And made the others pay for it
signal plover
Man after some higher keys last night im so in love with bolster I'm gonna have some shirts made
Maybe send out invitations to our wedding.
amber siren
Send me one
junior igloo
It is the pre patch π
cosmic cargo
warr is no longer lowest health pool though
monk is
(ofc monk's ehp is really high)
burnt tusk
Do you expect much from Warriors in BFA?
astral crystal
junior igloo
Of course, warriors are now mandatory in every raid group because of Battle Shout π
exotic rapids
IP is such a joke atm
8.5k absorb
medives piercing missiles hit fΓΌr like 15k every 0.5sec
strong forum
Yup, vs magic dmg we're fucked
burnt tusk
Wasn't warrior fucked the whole legion addon?
signal plover
No
strong forum
No
We could literally reflect the entirety of medivh missile cast
And make him go fuck himself
exotic rapids
ah and the tank gets the inferno dot
everytime
even if the target is 100000y away
junior igloo
Warriors have higher up-time on cooldowns than other tanks, so arguably better equipped to handle magic damage.
strong forum
Yeah but still hard hitting
Did the caster guy in arcway yesterday on +15 fuck he hit hard I tell ya
signal plover
Ya devastator tentacles in mos were spanking me gud
strong forum
Like 30% hp every cast
signal plover
I will thought I had the SR timing down too but guess not
strong forum
Does the 20% magic DR disappear after we reflected a cast or does it always stay the 5sec but the reflect wears off
signal plover
Ya I mean if there's magic Dmg even happening.
strong forum
Well doesn't tentacle for example always strike first with his thingy
Or like watch for dark slash timer etc
On ymiron
stuck oxide
Anyone raided yesterday? Any bug with aggramar/argus mythic of course
signal plover
Both were kinda iffy last night tbh
strong forum
I'll try to get myself to push some keys to get some score for bfa to show off
signal plover
Was a lot of fun tbh
stuck oxide
Can you be more specific ?
signal plover
Fuzza talking about m+ sorry
stuck oxide
Oh sorry
signal plover
We haven't done mythic agg/arg yet after patch
Most peeps still reworking UI. Doing heroic tonight for lols
I'll say this...WW touch of karma is broken lol
high pilot
Fuzza, I did garothi/agg yesterday and it was pretty shitty. It doesnt seem too overtuned its just that people are not optimal on their classes yet. Also, losing our artifact makes it harder for argus scythes
stuck oxide
Ya but with bolster we can use last stand for 2 back to back scythe ez
high pilot
Foe breaker isnt too bad if u have SB + IP
The thing that tilts me is that our tier 2pc doesnt do anything
Yeah our problems in raid were not really tank related tbh.! But it feels like shit hits way harder than it used to (scythe and foe breaker)
strong forum
@signal plover my experience last night was same as always when pugging. People not knowing basic stuff dying left and right and getting carried by me... Annoying as always
fierce juniper
Can someone on a non-English client take a screenshot of their Ignore Pain ability tooltip pls
wanton sentinel
@fierce juniper Are you checking for the comma vs. period?
You could just gsub both out of the tooltip before you call :match
fierce juniper
that, and if "50%" always comes before the absorb amount
wanton sentinel
local currentIP = tonumber((GetSpellDescription(190456):gsub(",", ""):match("up to (.-) total damage prevented."))) * NSPerc
Chain a second gsub to remove periods too
True
wanton sentinel
Can you get the TT desc from wowhead?
primal crypt
Ivanyr in Arcway 14....overtuned and decimated us
Wow
I am definitely getting hit way harder
vocal nimbus
@fierce juniper try es.wowhea....
wanton sentinel
It's 502'ing anyway
strong forum
Yeah, hit me for 30% hp on +15 yesterday @primal crypt
vocal nimbus
And search for Ignorar Dolor
wanton sentinel
^ nice, @vocal nimbus
vocal nimbus
Im not home so i cant take a look directly
primal crypt
DK no issues so I hop on the warrior and start panicking
Why we getting hit so hard lol
vocal nimbus
@fierce juniper did you find anything?
fierce juniper
wowhead is down
vocal nimbus
Im home in 1h30 if you dont mind waiting
burnt tusk
After that dungeon I could swap to german client for a sec
depending on the download time
primal crypt
Are we not supposed to be at the levels before 8.0?
signal plover
Correct
primal crypt
Doing 22s no problem
signal plover
Prepatch is a weird time
primal crypt
Then bam 14 is God tier lol
vocal nimbus
There are things, undertuned, tuned correctly and overtuned
signal plover
Everything you're doing was designed with your old class kit and artifact in mind.
vocal nimbus
HoV is the same as before for example
signal plover
Maw honestly didn't feel all that different except that some timers felt funky
full spruce
@signal plover the tentacles in maw you can reflect the dot they put on you FYI. Soon as DBM alerts I just spell reflect on my way in
vocal nimbus
Because SR only.mitigates 20% now
So the reflects of dark slash and tentacles hit harder
signal plover
@full spruce I know I just did it a sec too late
exotic rapids
normaly they nerf everything to the ground with a prepatch. So you can have some fun and learn the new playstyle
signal plover
There's always been some outliers
exotic rapids
atm it just feels clunky and it even gets boring to get instagibt by trash
signal plover
What trash was instagibbin ya?
Just curious cuz even in a 19/20 intake was decently smooth for me
Had to use bolster pretty often but I think that's intended
vocal nimbus
Trash feels really good for me
exotic rapids
I did cathe 20 NL 16 Lower 9 and Upper 20
signal plover
Cath I could see some issues
exotic rapids
the 1st pack the casters in lower killed me 3 times
vocal nimbus
We do insane dmg on big pulls too
wanton sentinel
@fierce juniper 50% comes before the absorb total in the Spanish localization
primal crypt
Definitely feel the need to use CDs more often
wanton sentinel
exotic rapids
the female demons on the 2nd las boss in cathe hit me for 28k with their knockback each
fierce juniper
sweet, thanks
signal plover
Oof
exotic rapids
and we didnΒ΄t get past medive
signal plover
Was the DPS in the group's decent?
exotic rapids
I would say so yes
wanton sentinel
Strip 50%, strip commas/periods, then tonumber the captured match. I was hacking on your WA last night by sheer coincidence as I wanted a progress bar (current out of casted IP) instead of an icon
exotic rapids
ofc you can cc etc but atm you have to learn to handle a lot of stuff anew
vocal nimbus
Ifeel like bolster is going to get nerfed
Last stand on 2 min cd being reduced by AM and blocking everything for 15 sec?
I felt really strong while dungeoning
strong forum
We need it to be strong lul
It literally answers everything a tank needs, and what warri lacks in some departments
If we didn't have it as we do we would be considerably weaker
livid tendon
I tried yesterday during argus and i think it did count but does last stand with the talent count as AM as in can you crit block the scythes or w.e
strong forum
Yes
It's the same as shield block but 15sec
Your block rate gets increased by 100% flat
vocal nimbus
Its a block with chances to crit
The tooltip says that it just blocks
If you were to critblock for 15 sec that would be too broken
strong forum
π€¦ your block chance increases by 100%, you can literally check it on your character panel.
So why would it behave differently
vocal nimbus
He asked if those blocks were guaranteed crit blocks
vocal nimbus
Managing cds trusting that a block will crit during a fight its pretty reckless, I would not use last stand hoping to crit
strong forum
So... You don't want to use last stand on the off chance you get a lucky block instead of at least 100% block chance
vocal nimbus
I dont want to only use last stand if i would survive only if its block from the bolster talent would crit
uneven mason
0_o
strong forum
That doesn't make any sense
amber siren
Wtf is going on
strong forum
Last stand = Shield Block
uneven mason
WTB Cataclysm rollover block?
strong forum
But longer
vocal nimbus
If i know that i will only survive with a crit block if i only pop LS how it doesnt make sense not using LS only?
uneven mason
That would be nice
strong forum
You can't guarantee critblocks anymore
uneven mason
If you're low enough or in a situation
strong forum
So what's your point
uneven mason
where only a crit block + 30% Heal + 30% higher health pool would save you
strong forum
Every critblock is random
uneven mason
someone fucked up
cause you're about to take 50% of your normal health pool in damage
vocal nimbus
He asked about using LS as AM to crit block the scythes
uneven mason
through a block?
strong forum
Yes
uneven mason
Yeah
strong forum
If SB is on CD you use LS for blocking those
vocal nimbus
Iwouldnt use LS as AM to crit block the scythes
uneven mason
You'd want to use it on the latter end of your scyths
amber siren
????
uneven mason
You use your 2 charges of shield block for the first 3
vocal nimbus
I would use LS with something else
uneven mason
combined with DS
strong forum
Why
vocal nimbus
Because maybe he wont survive with a bse block
uneven mason
I mean on mythic you're only going to take 4 scyths anyway
strong forum
Well ofc then you use smth else
vocal nimbus
That was what i was saying
strong forum
He didn't ask if LS was enough
vocal nimbus
Not to use LS hoping that the blocl will crit
strong forum
He asked if it worked LS as AM
Yes it does
That's it
He didn't ask if it was enough for 3rd scythe
vocal nimbus
He asked it crit blocks tho π€·
vocal nimbus
If it*
uneven mason
Ah...
vocal nimbus
His question was not clear about if he was asling if the blocks were guaranteed crits or not
I just said they werent
strong forum
It was in my eyes
vocal nimbus
And you started picking on me
uneven mason
So 1. yes, it counts as AM (because block is our AM) The blocks from Bolster are the same % chance to critically block as any other block we perform
strong forum
Which exactly what I said
uneven mason
We have no way to force Critical Blocks
unless we find some jewel of a massive mastery on use trinket in BFA
vocal nimbus
π
cinder nova
@fierce juniper Thanks for the IP WA super chief
fierce juniper
np
upper violet
π
fierce juniper
@burnt tusk Alright, should be fixed. https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
pattern matching makes me want to die
strong forum
I'm amazed you can even do any of this WA stuff with coding or w/e it is
signal plover
Don't be mean to marok
strong forum
What
burnt tusk
@fierce juniper wow thanks, sounds like that was some work?
strong forum
It was a compliment 
uneven mason
Paw, you leave Nomers alone
fierce juniper
little bit, but im glad i did it
it fixes potential future issues as well
uneven mason
Don't be all jealous because he's like, liked here
signal plover
I just wanna be cute again
uneven mason
Someone needs some bear memes
signal plover
Thank for IP WA tho
fierce juniper
i plan to add a couple options eventually
one that only shows whole number values for the absorb
and another that just shows the percentage of the cap you're at
vocal nimbus
Btw bolster doesnt give bonus damage to SS right?
fierce juniper
nope
vocal nimbus
Has 2p been fixed?
strong forum
No, it won't be
burnt tusk
@fierce juniper yeah buddy, it works https://puu.sh/AZpiu/84f71adb6f.png
fierce juniper
sweet
native shore
Is it looking like prot is doing okay for m+s?
tulip arch
Are you planning on just continuing to pull the castIP from the tooltip in the future, or go back to trying to manually calculate it?
I've been trying to make an IP bar for myself and it's been a headache to try and get the exact numebrs
fierce juniper
I think I'll just pull it from the tooltip. Azerite stuff can be calculated on top when/if necessary.
tulip arch
This certainly seems easier
fierce juniper
yeah
trying to calculate it is a pain
only concern is that they'll change something and the tooltip will be incorrect
but for the moment it seems accurate
uneven mason
Well
isn't there a missing value in the IP calculation
its not perfectly on the dot with what the spell data says, theres like a < 1% variance π
programmers love miniscule variance
cause its hard to find whats causing it
uneven mason
chances are some where in the scaling data from before the squish there is a value that is being truncated at a smaller decimal value than the others
silk mortar
@native shore We are doing great for m+
modest notch
am i dumb or does tier 21 2 piece do nothing now?
livid tendon
i asked if it can crit block not if its guaranteed crit block ??
modest notch
ok so 4 piece still worth it over ilvl upgrades?
amber siren
Depends on ilvl difference but currently 4pc stacks IP when it shouldn't
So it's p good
silk mortar
4p is op
modest notch
nice
silk mortar
not really good π
amber siren
π
fierce juniper
If 4 set remains as it is we'll probably be wearing it in BfA lol
amber siren
Next expansion CoF
uneven mason
you mean like the T13 4p?
going into Mists being the warrior asked to use that ftw
30% damage reduction for the whole raid!
molten radish
Isn't 4pc tied to battle cry?
molten radish
Ah lol
uneven mason
in that it ignores the cap on IP stacks
so you cast IP once every 12 seconds and have perminate 50% reduction
primal crypt
I keep forgetting to cast devastate T.t
uneven mason
me too
molten radish
Yeah I switched off devastator also
primal crypt
Would it be devastating to just not use it?lololololol
amber siren
π€¦
compact sigil
prot does feel good in mplus tho
compact sigil
lol, when pre-patch first hit, i was like, lets go try this bad boy out
went to the bigger tanking dummy in the orderhall
sick sentinel
in dungeons is fun
compact sigil
guy like 3 shot me
signal plover
Yo that WW needs to touch of karma better
primal crypt
Oh nah
compact sigil
I had a funny lower kara experience, it was a 14, tried to solo the shared suffering with Shield Wall, Attunesman was like nah b, not today
primal crypt
What is that dps
sick sentinel
that is overall dungeon
primal crypt
That ww needs to learn to press buttons better
signal plover
Ya but WW should have no issue
primal crypt
^
signal plover
We have spicy dmg
primal crypt
They're stupid good
signal plover
But they have Indian spicy dmg
primal crypt
Monk/fury/rog
compact sigil
the gauntlets and belt along with avatar make thunderclap feel pretty good
primal crypt
Should have zero issues
vocal nimbus
If thats overall damage those 3 dps kinda suck
primal crypt
This is indian spicy overall
vocal nimbus
Prot warr does fine in m+ but mass grip will still be the strongest i guess
Tank meta is more about improving the group's damage and healing
swift willow
WW aoe got gutted tho
signal plover
I think it's more about it being like ppls 1st real day of playing changed classes
crude pond
"
Avatar should be cast on cooldown as well. It is worth delaying Demoralizing Shout by a few seconds if Avatar is about to come off cooldown. Do not delay Avatar for Demoralizing Shout.
"
Does it mean that I can delay DS for seconds and use DS right after Avatar?
Only for damage? I don't see any survivability gain from it..
primal crypt
Add control is just so important in m+
signal plover
I would use DS before Avatar so u don't waste a GCD
signal plover
Well DS is damage reduction so that
vocal nimbus
Its only for damage gain @crude pond
If you are going to die without ds alwys cast ds
signal plover
I guess DS in avatar does make sense too
crude pond
I mean
delaying DS for seconds seem to decrease survivability, not increase it
vocal nimbus
Delaying DS is to increase damage
signal plover
It's for damage gain
vocal nimbus
Its like DS and BC in legion
You could cast DS before having BC
Because you would still get a full BC inside DS even if you casted it beforehand
Now if you cast DS beforehand you waste some GCDs without avatar
crude pond
yeah I got it
vocal nimbus
But if you only want to survive just cast DS on cd
crude pond
thanks guys
uneven mason
it lines up almost perfectly with Avatar most times anyway?
45s/90s
casting avatar first because it has the longer CD (and thus will be available first in the cycle) makes the most sense
uneven mason
right
primal crypt
Lol wtf....i had no idea demo shout was part of our rotation now
primal crypt
That cool down is so short wtf
vocal nimbus
Demo is a 45 sec cd reduced with AM
uneven mason
AM~
solid sun
I really got pummeled in a 14 maw last night. It did not feel good. :(
primal crypt
I literally just noticed the demo cd
uneven mason
Tyrranical is rough when your healers are used to tanks not taking damage
vocal nimbus
Downside is that SS doesnt generate extra rage while DS is up
I can live with that tho π€·
primal crypt
Yolo? That 40 rage
solid sun
I made plenty if mistakes myself, though. So I gotta own some of the fail
uneven mason
but you're going to be doing TC/SS/TC/IP/TC/SS/IP any way...
liike during avatar is the only time I come close to capping rage
so its a defensive CD because it lets us just dump into IP pretty regular
crystal night
Anywhere we can see where specific azerte traits drop? Wow head?
primal crypt
My demo shout is up every 10 sec ahahahaha
vocal nimbus
Still cant be looked up
primal crypt
This is crazy
vocal nimbus
Azerite gear will drop from m+0, weekly cache, pvp caches and raids
solid sun
I've gotten used to the increased DS usage and the GCD changes are starting to feel more familiar.
Avatar is what throws me off the most. For some reason not being accustomed to the icon is just making me forget about it
It's like my brain just remembers no more BC
And it's like welp okay that's it
brave quail
yeah i agree
primal crypt
I mean, i didn't know we were supposed to have 100% uptime of demo shout
silk mortar
Make so your avatar has a battle cry icon ;3
solid sun
Lol I was actually considering it
silk mortar
π
crystal night
@primal crypt there's a trait that makes our T-clap extend demo shout debuf durations
primal crypt
@crystal night but I'm saying the fact that we're able to cast demo again almost 4 seconds before the debuff falls off feels crazy
I'm swimming in rage even without taking any hits right now lol
tawny panther
@uneven mason so you don't really bother with SB?
primal crypt
π€
tawny panther
I'm..trying, but, what?
primal crypt
π€ π€
next goblet
oh this IP on the GCD sucks dick
solid sun
At first, but you get pretty used to it.
next goblet
eh im doing a H toS on my lower geared warrior alt
next goblet
and im gettin shredded
solid sun
^
uneven mason
nearly everything is overtuned
primal crypt
^
next goblet
goroth is raping me lol
primal crypt
Wait until you get to inquisition
solid sun
Like legit nearly everything is overtuned? The first and 3rd bosses in Maw were hitting me SO HARD
tawny panther
I didn't realise it's not on gcd , didn't get much time yesterday and not at all today. And your little rotation. Makes sense if it's ogcd. Which is super obvious since it's AM now I've thought for half a second...
primal crypt
The add below doesn't spawn balls right now
So you can't come back out
And on KJ if you die you can't rez
You have to reload with the help I'm stuck
And it kicks you out
solid sun
loooooool
primal crypt
Can't release lol
The inquisition is the best part
You just stuck inside forever
Can't hearth cause you getting beat
So you just have to die lololol
solid sun
Pretty solid patch
uneven mason
We had to 4 Tank dogs in HC ABT last night
cause they were just melting our tanks
we even stacked an extra healer for more externals
and we still had 2 of the 4 die around 20%
these are 250+ geared folks
primal crypt
@uneven mason yup
uneven mason
getting wrecked by HC ABT
primal crypt
Everyone is getting dunked
crystal night
@primal crypt it's amazing man
next goblet
okay so its not just me having issues lol
uneven mason
Portal Keeper was another one
that DOT
just pure pain
we called iat after 2 hours got to Vari (but didn't engage yet)
I can't wait to try Coven
tonight
mebbie they'll have it fixed
hard wyvern
Anyone done mythic Argus on prepatch yet?
primal crypt
@hard wyvern there are logs up
uneven mason
We were going to do mythic lastnight
next goblet
i do like how rough tanking is now lol
primal crypt
So people are doing it
uneven mason
but after we heard about heroic dogs
w e figured we go easy and get everyone acclimated to who inflexible they are
hard wyvern
Yeah, I mean anyone here do it yet. I haven't even logged on since last week
uneven mason
I think every oen of our 3 restro druids interrupted Tranq at least once a fight
because you can't move while Tranquing anymore
primal crypt
@uneven mason LOLOLOL
hard wyvern
Wanted to see if 4 sycthes is still doable
primal crypt
My wife was raging
solid sun
Ikarikaze, do you not tank for your group?
primal crypt
Because of tranq change
uneven mason
I was going too
but after we saw logs on doggos
we decided to let the 252 Warrior do it
hard wyvern
Dogs still stackable on mythic?
uneven mason
nfc
haven't done mythic yet
that'll be next week
I'm only 238 on my current warrior
since I faction swapped and decided to dust off my original warrior from back in Vanilla - WOTLK
I felt too squishy to even attempt to hold the dogs for more than the time for the DOT to drop
thats how bad they were tuned
spice mortar
robust bronze
When do you guys think 4pc bonus will get nerfed btw?
chrome harbor
Probably not, prepatch content in an old expansion? No one cares about that enough to balance
signal plover
@spice mortar idk what you're looking for as far as improvement because the spec is different now. Tanks in general have changed but prot remains a pretty solid performer. The prepatch is a weird time because all of the content you're doing was balanced around Legion design
We lost the massive rage gen IP spam battle cry SS blast off playstyle.
signal plover
But imo we're in a good spot outside of a few gripes (ST rage gen, IP on GCD)
Demo with warmode and open world is pretty silly yeah
ashen trellis
Stay away from Upper karazan fyi
primal crypt
medivh?
ashen trellis
everything is bugged. All boss abilities target tanks
to matter who they cast on
it hits the tank
lol
runic hare
All according to Blizzard's plans. First they nerf the shit out of our magic mitigation, then they make all the magic damage go to us :^)
olive fiber
Anyone having issues importing new WAs?
Iβm using updates strings but itβs not showing anything loaded in game
Iβm fairly WA inept
mighty yarrow
Anyone have an ip absorb amount WA thats working? mine isnt anymore
amber siren
wanton sentinel
Inspired by Marok's WA, I made it into a progress bar (top bar)
https://gist.github.com/elithrar/721f0a799abed313c2376c76ffc70317 - will put it on Wago.io soon
jagged bay
ty for the awesome stuff marok!
cosmic cargo
nope
junior ivy
why not π¦
timid jay
Block is calculated just like armor now but it uses block rating instead of armor
Basically, get higher block rating and you'll block more
olive wigeon
nowadays its ~35% on non critical blocks?
timid jay
Depends entirely on your shield ilvl
timid jay
It doesnt matter since all DR's are multiplicative
cosmic cargo
actually nvm
timid jay
Its the same end result
cosmic cargo
you're right
olive wigeon
so roughly math is RAW * armor * block?
sick sentinel
@wanton sentinel is that the marok IP? and btw how do you do that black stroke around all the things
cosmic cargo
yes
timid jay
Raw damage * armor DR * block * versa * any CD's * avoidance if applicable
olive wigeon
ty
timid jay
Basically Raw damage * (1-DR%) *(1-DR%) *(1-DR%)and so on
Where you just plop in all the % dr
uneven mason
Block is last in line basically, so uh it stops the lowest "value" but because its all multiplication it doesn't matter in the end.
If it was first, you'd see block stopping 189,000 but the damage in the end being exactly the same
I mean, if you had 40% block
crude pond
my block rating is 33% and I can reduce damage by 44% when blocked. I think it's same as 7/7 bastion before
uneven mason
yeah it has the same scale as armor now
with Block rating being 1.5x your shields armor (i think)
timid jay
Block follows the same as armor now block rating / (block rating + K)
uneven mason
k being some assinged number given to NPCs
timid jay
Crit blocks being double dr ,not rating
uneven mason
thank god
timid jay
With a cap on 85%
uneven mason
that was a mess
timid jay
The K for legion bosses is roughly 2109
olive wigeon
Anyways cant understand how block on 3th scythe which hit for 320k without SW and other's CD can block only 23k?
olive wigeon
320ΠΊ * (1-55% armor) * (1 - 70% critical block) seems more than 12k
uneven mason
you had shield wall
so yeah
that'll take another chunk out
like I said
block is calculated "last" in the redundant order
throwing shield wall up
took another chunk out of play
timid jay
Shield wall wasnt up for the one at 4:47
olive wigeon
(B: 23318) very weird number
uneven mason
thats a crit block
thought you were asking why you took less on the other 2 after that one
timid jay
Cant say I've looked into the conversions for rating to % at 110
Without those numbers its a bit hard to make the calculations unless you tell me the % of versa DR and avoidance
wanton sentinel
@sick sentinel yes, same underlying calculations as Marokβs, but adapted to be a progress bar. The black outline is just a border display setting.
I also share the calculated state so itβs CPU friendly
olive wigeon
@strong forum its not me, just looking logs
strong forum
oh
crude pond
Is Kakushan still powerful leggo without Devastator?
uneven mason
So yeah I mean that log doesn't look that unusual
crude pond
and bracers suck?
uneven mason
they're not the best
strong forum
yup
uneven mason
I mean, they do "Something" but since we don't plow 6000 rage per minute anymore
strong forum
good for world content, but any situation where you have a healer they dont do alot
uneven mason
we can't self sustain them with
uneven mason
yes
IP is precious
the 4p bypasses the stacking limitation on IP
not sure if its still broken tho
strong forum
i'd say play without it tbh
you're gonna get a wrong impression on warrior going into bfa
uneven mason
Oh even with it
overtuned bosses are melting tanks
gives quite the right impression
strong forum
yea well
crude pond
lol
uneven mason
If you're sacrificing a ton of ilvl no
strong forum
wait what, orderhall missions that reward order resources... LUL
uneven mason
Just like they did in WOD!
uneven mason
ilvl is a numbe on your gear
strong forum
230 is heroic gear
uneven mason
it tells you the "Budget" for that piece of gear
uneven mason
higher ilvl = more stats
since ARmor and stam and str are goodies for Protection warriors, we generally want ot use the highest ilvl pieces we have
regardless of what they have
however, the 4p with how it WAS working (dunno if they fixed it) would probably be worth a 5ilvl drop avg to use
mebbie 10
crude pond
isn't 4pc pretty overpowered now?
uneven mason
Yeah
uneven mason
but I wouldn't expect it to stay not fixed
crude pond
so you're pretty sure that it's some sort of bugs
merry cave
I don't think they'll nerf 4pce just like they aren't fixing things like our 2pfe and multiple legos that are use spells no longer in game
crude pond
4pc breaking the IP cap
uneven mason
use the 4p
junior ivy
ok ty i will use it
merry cave
Just don't go bragging on official forums
uneven mason
I'm pretty sure its a bug
although
they've "bugged" things before
to bandaid
what they knew was broken
merry cave
It sure feels nice though
crude pond
I agree with Morg. I don't think they care
plain vapor
did mythic guldan last night again. holy moly you actually have to do the strat now lmao
uneven mason
"3 stacks I NEED AN EXTERNAL" - 250 Protadin on Doggos lastnight
plain vapor
cant just burn through him
merry cave
Prot with 4pfe baseline and IP not on gcd is the spec id have happy dreams about :P
uneven mason
Gul'dan is harder now than he was when he was current
merry cave
Oh really that's not good
uneven mason
Mmhmm
merry cave
We got one guy needing mount still lol
plain vapor
if you know what to do its not that bad
uneven mason
I think orbs were bugged too
plain vapor
justeverything hits harder
uneven mason
But yeah you can't bully him before 2nd wind anymore
plain vapor
the guldan eyes seemed to spread farther
merry cave
Stopped using gloves in m+ and went back to bracers. Made a huge difference
For anyone doing higher keys
junior ivy
is 245 a good ilvl?
plain vapor
yes
if you get a 100 parse on day 1 does it stay on your profile forever
because my 100 parse on agg is still there
junior ivy
what is considered good dps (as a prot warrior) in m+ ?
plain vapor
even though its really a 59
plain vapor
merry cave
Cat aoe I keep up with our frost dk and lock, st I'm about 60-70% of their damahe
Don't know numbers sorry
round hornet
not like it matters tier is over lol
round hornet
I believe kihra said when next tier comes out he will revert the page to show pre artifact stuff as default
waxen cradle
My real hope is that they do not remove stacking of Azerite traits because 3 stacks of deafening crash ERMAGURD the TClap damage
round hornet
and not prepatch or empowered
junior ivy
should i turn on warmode? whats the benefit in trurning it on before bfa?
waxen cradle
More death also if your on a pvp server
strong forum
but that doesnt mean every horde has to attack me
plain vapor
pvp servers dont exist anymore
waxen cradle
true
strong forum
but still everyone attacks me just cuz i have it enabled, poor kids
merry cave
I've had more luck as fury with lack of pro heals
strong forum
DansGame fury
junior ivy
im gonna enable it
strong forum
atleast play arms like a real man
merry cave
Although if I see healers especially disc I just walk away
junior ivy
and after 5 mins ill probably disable it
merry cave
Not worth
waxen cradle
What tank @strong forum
strong forum
everywhere
junior ivy
like even in dalaran?
strong forum
no ofc not
undone sun
No
junior ivy
oh ok
strong forum
prot ofc
strong forum
you will get phased with warmode
uneven mason
Prepatch means your CRZ'd
junior ivy
oh ok
uneven mason
Your CRZ'd with uh Stormreaver and Kel'thuzad
olive wigeon
@timid jay you mean Antorus bosses K is 1422,9 ?
waxen cradle
Yeah I like the HA I will attack him and the initial OH shit they must get on there faces when they realized they just attacked a tank
uneven mason
I know this, because I'm on Stormreaver and thats the main 2 servers I have to murder alliance from
junior ivy
i feel liek i should have known this, but i cant make groups for wqs anymore?
or join them?
timid jay
Checking it out atm
junior ivy
ok one last question, i dunno what my rotation even is without devestator..
do i use thunder clap on single target ever?
how about revenge?
waxen cradle
Definitely use TClap on ST as it resets your SSlam now and grants 6 rage
junior ivy
its been s olong since i played without devestator π¦
junior ivy
so SS is priority, then revenge, then thunderclap, then devestate?
waxen cradle
Revenge when its free and that's about it, and like Nomeratur said if nothing else to use devastate
sick sentinel
i would only use revenge if its free or im about to cap
junior ivy
when is it free
crude pond
ss > tc > free revenge > devastate
junior ivy
isnt that a talent
a talenht that makes it sometimes free?
do i even have that talent?
waxen cradle
No
junior ivy
how do i know when its free?
plain vapor
it will have a yellow border that glwos
crude pond
it has some effect on screen too
crude pond
no you can clearly see them
plain vapor
your screen will have an effect
junior ivy
i dont pay attention to my screen
timid jay
These numbers make no sense
waxen cradle
If your gonna cap then you can use revenge not free but with the bugged/OP 4 piece that will not be a issue
timid jay
π€
junior ivy
im a clicker π¦
i look at my action bars
so i guess if it glows
thatll be enough
plain vapor
yes when you look at your bar youll see
junior ivy
but i still want a weakaura cause i like weakauras
strong forum
o.o
round hornet
cat is a addon collector
junior ivy
ok wait what is vengeance
isnt that the talent that makes revenge somerimes free?
sometimes
plain vapor
no
waxen cradle
I watch my Weak Aura's and play with one hand because now with the GCD change my other hand is "busy"
waxen cradle
just kidding
timid jay
Blocking is roughly 26.8% DR and crit blocking 72.2%
plain vapor
when you cast revenge it makes the next ignore pain cost less rage. and when you cast ignore pain it makes the next revenge cost less
timid jay
π€
uneven mason
Revenge is free after a parry or dodge, no talent needed
plain vapor
so you weave the two together like a combo
junior ivy
so what was vengeance?
uneven mason
What Krook said
waxen cradle
A thing as in you "can" use it but booming voice is WAY better
plain vapor
its a talent
with demo shout being a 45 second CD booming voice is just way too good
uneven mason
Vengeance is situationally equal to BV, but in all situations BV is better, if that makes sense π
plain vapor
when paired with anger management
junior ivy
but even without vengeance.. revenfe is sometimes free?
junior ivy
has that alwyas been the case?
uneven mason
Yes
junior ivy
i have never paid any attention to revenge sometimes being free
i used it when i felt like using it
uneven mason
π€¦
waxen cradle
plus with the Thundergods Vigor leggo Demo shout is off CD so much there pretty much no reason to not use it
junior ivy
wait am i supposed to be using different leggos since prepatch?
plain vapor
gloves/belt will be the goto
coral dew
Returning noob question: what does leggo mean
plain vapor
cant really make much use of the bracers IMO
used the pants last night for the extra shield block on argus lol
waxen cradle
I use Gloves and Belt because extra damage and rage from using devastate why not ? and the belts interaction with demo shout keeps its already short CD pretty much at damn near no CD
^ that would be why
plain vapor
playstyle is more slower
plain vapor
sure but i found that the self healing rate is a lot slower than it was before
because cant spam ignore pain as much
waxen cradle
Wrists are helpful in higher M+ as heals are less purely focused on you, but for raiding use the gloves and belt
timid jay
Either they changed it with prepatch compared to beta or theres a bug somewhere
waxen cradle
You have my attention
crude pond
@coral dew leggo = legendary gears
coral dew
Ty
uneven mason
do you have a mastery trinket?
timid jay
no
waxen cradle
enemies of matching level ?
timid jay
Mastery is only supposed to increase block chance anyway, not block value
junior ivy
omg i hate when all the trianing dummies are busyt being used in skyhold
timid jay
Gonna run some testing and see if I can figure it out, I have some theories
junior ivy
where can i find others?
plain vapor
argus scythes did seem inconsisten yesterday
timid jay
1135
strong forum
well my block value is 1020%
plain vapor
garrison cat
waxen cradle
I only ask because the system adjusts it based off enemies of matching level and as there is no enemies in game yet beyond 113 it should not go down
grim prism
@timid jay what are you thinking is the problem? Improper variability in the block chance, or being at one value which is inaccurate?
Oh I see
Block values not chance
timid jay
Gonna run some values to test it
waxen cradle
What are you testing the value against Cosmo ?
grim prism
I just came back yesterday and got shrecked by the minor dummy
So I'm pretty curious to know what the tuning issues may be
waxen cradle
The minor dummy or the elite one Balsaq
timid jay
Random 110 mob
waxen cradle
The elite one rekt the shit out of me
uneven mason
so you should be around 35% block mitigation
waxen cradle
the minor one hurt as well though I agree
grim prism
The minor lol
junior ivy
ok sorry for being annoying but what prompts free revenge? i havent seen iut glow yet
after attacking a dummy for a while
strong forum
dodge / parry
junior ivy
can i dodge a dummy?
uneven mason
When you dodge or parry
strong forum
if he fights back
uneven mason
Not the ones you attack
the tanking ones yes
but right now they'll just wreck you
cause tanking dummies are tuned kinda silly
waxen cradle
I am thinking it is just a bug I cannot say for sure, but I also do not think they would break our block value now of all times. I mean what else do we have
grim prism
IP 
waxen cradle
True but come BFA if they break our block value IP will not cut it
strong forum
i mean block works fine on beta
waxen cradle
IP might be OP because of the 4 piece right now but I can assure you it is not OP on the beta
It feels horrible to even press
But its not like you have a choice
junior ivy
i found a weakaura for free revenge on wago io π
and it was made by @shut summit !!
and its perfect
and i love it
and i added a punch sound to it
so now i will always use revenge when free
waxen cradle
So yes saying what else do we have for now is a incorrect statement to make, but come BFA it will not feel awesome to press IP anymore
shut summit
strong forum
okay so on the lesser sparring partner i got to 11 stacks before i died
with bracers and warmode though
and offensive trinkets since i dont have defensive ones
strong forum
29.43%
uneven mason
did it vary
crude pond
are there other skills that can replace battle shout?
crude pond
I love that
uneven mason
in BFA
waxen cradle
There are scrolls
waxen cradle
I think inscription makes them I am not sure but yeah its like using Drums of Fury instead of lust as a compare
uneven mason
thats what I recall
waxen cradle
Yeah it was @uneven mason
strong forum
k died at 11 stacks again, block value / chance didnt change at all
waxen cradle
Its clearly a situation of take a scroll if you cannot create a group that supplies all the buffs like dungeons
But in the last Q and A I think they said after adding back class buffs they had already decided they did not like the feel of it again so class buffs may not survive BFA
strong forum
and died at 3 stacks at greater sparring partner
waxen cradle
Well after BFA to be exact
waxen cradle
Targeting Lesser Sparring Partner my block value reads : Block value of 43.87 % , and that lowers to 36.48 % against current target
strong forum
my block value displays 1020% all the time