Would it be shield slam centric?
#protection
coral dew
stark sage
4pc is kinda op, 2pc is broken
hot locust
It only reflects 1, even if the interpretation is different.
sinful tangle
@stark sage Ah - I misheard them then. Thank you!
waxen cradle
Well to be honest I think both of the set bonuses are broken unless they knew they were not going to fix our T21 2 set and just let it be as it is since we cannot use one gear set affect, and as they are retiring set bonuses for BFA anyway that may have just added to them just being of the mindset of just screw it.
I mean the 4 piece set bonus would be OP for like a little over 3 weeks, and they may have just decided why bothering fixing something that in a few weeks will be completely irrelevant. Of course that is suggesting it is not already kind of irrelevant. Which it kind of is, but it is nice to have one OP bonus since one does not work at all.
Looking forward to Iron Fortress trait stacking and Deaf Crash stacking
upper spoke
Does the legion companion follower mission phone app still work? Mine can't connect
shut summit
after getting 3/3 DC traits, noticed it wasn't extending by 3sec on demo shout - tested and the extend portion of trait doesn't stack, only the damage portion
baseline trait is bugged and does 2sec per tclap no matter how many traits you have
instead of the stated 1sec on tooltip
so rip
waxen cradle
So do you think it is a bug or intentional that we cannot stack past 2 seconds ?
worldly adder
excuse me , im new to prot war can anyone tell me what the best survival leggos for raiding?
weary notch
check the bins
waxen cradle
AH ok that suggests a bug yeah unless they are going to change it to where it cannot be stacked and its a temporary bug until that change goes in rather
But I would kind of doubt it and certainly hope not
Because that would make getting multiple pieces with same traits useless and make me π¦
On the subject of Spell Reflect is anyone in here going to make a list of spells that can be reflected once raid opens ?
I mean there are ways to figure it out yourself from well just trying it out and finding out, but just wondering
hot locust
That makes me so damn sad.
fresh dragon
mythic boss now do TONS of damage :V
waxen cradle
I mean I doubt they will change it to where we cannot stack traits or that trait
hot locust
I think that is likely to end up making 1x deafening and 2x Iron Fortress our best combo for traits ideally.
fresh dragon
do some1 has the same problem with Mythic?
waxen cradle
It would be ridiculous to do that as gearing up with the new forced personal loot is even more of a situation of time sink as its very possible you will come across Azerite gear with same traits
hollow kite
is there any working addon now that tracks how big your ignore pain is? was using shield maiden and its not working now
hot locust
Welcome to RNG the game , errr I mean WoW.
fresh dragon
so with 8.0.1 we have RAID+ ? π
waxen cradle
If they make it to where certain traits do not stack then getting Azerite gear with same traits will effectively make those gear pieces instantly useless
hot locust
That's not entirely true.
You can take the zone specific trait instead of the spec trait.
waxen cradle
I mean obviously not completely true
hot locust
Or even the secondary/tertiary traits can be useful.
waxen cradle
Yeah I worded that poorly
I meant to say that if you get multiple Azerite gear pieces with same traits it would make those pieces more of a forced situation of what traits you pick and not a actual choice
livid tendon
argus mythic BrokeBack
hot locust
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
waxen cradle
And using there own words we are supposed to be able to choose what traits we use not be forced to use certain ones. So they would just be BSing us if that were the case.
calm cove
undone sun
Unheard of
waxen cradle
Say you had 3 gear pieces that in one trait section all gave the DCrash trait, but per gear piece because of traits not stacking you could only use the shared trait on one piece of gear. That forces you to use the other trait choices and takes choice away entirely. Now of course I have played WoW for a VERY very long time so I am not foolish enough to think they would not simply go back on there own words yet again, but still it would be yet another foolish choice in a long line of foolish ones they have made in the past.
mild oracle
uh.. am i the only one who doesnt have Avatar on their spellbook?
dull wagon
I saw a stream a week or two back which was saying that stacking the trait was not working on AOE but was stacking correctly with single target.
undone sun
Respec
dull wagon
mild oracle
oh, thanks!
silk mortar
thorny laurel
question: is there a weak aura that shows the percentage of your ignore pain shield, as in 100% is fully stacked and not worth it to cast ignore pain again? Or something close to that
waxen cradle
I have also been looking for updated Weak Aura's I just go to Wago.io daily and check it out to see what has been posted personally.
lusty grotto
i thought you could reroll traits @waxen cradle
humble oar
Anyone got a good WA suggestion for prot?
waxen cradle
One question I do have and maybe I missed it as I have not been on here long this afternoon, but what are the suggested Leggos were running now ? I imagine the belt is a no brainer
lusty grotto
azerite reforgers imo
waxen cradle
I would also gather the leggs are pretty good
waxen cradle
Yeah for like Upper Kara and what not
lusty grotto
seems reasonable sure
waxen cradle
Or super heavy magic M+ dungeons
Arcway comes to mind for me
Well at least the demon area
lusty grotto
it's too bad you can't change gear in m+ anymore
waxen cradle
True
lusty grotto
but sure 1 extra charge might help you out, though i'm not sure if its needed other than upper kara
waxen cradle
Yeah
lusty grotto
4pc and all
i could be wrong, so hopefully someone else can chime in
i couldn't log on yesterday and currently @ work
waxen cradle
Yeah the 4 piece I think is being left OP on purpose with our already broken and useless 2 piece. I mean why make us throw it out entirely unless it was all the highest item level gear you had
lusty grotto
welcome you are
soft yew
what legendaries do you guys suggest? i love Tgods but kakushan seems a bit whack now that i dont use devastator
signal plover
(can hear the triggering from degobah)
I'd say bracers and belt are pretty good now
Also use 4pc
soft yew
nice
lusty grotto
jump jump jump run, i'll be your backpack while you run!
waxen cradle
- In best Yoda voice* Hmm Hmm yes yes
tiny pilot
hoo ha, hoo hoo hoo ha!
wicked trail
currently have 35% haste - I'm assuming regardless of this devastator is still worse?
undone sun
Yes
wicked trail
riparooney
waxen cradle
35% haste with Into the Fray ?
soft yew
im at 55% w fray, 40% without
fresh dragon
i have 64% haste :V
warm plinth
What does that put SB cooldown at?
waxen cradle
Yeah well over 50% with ITF
soft yew
12 sec recharge
warm plinth
Not bad
fresh dragon
64% = 11sec
soft yew
i ahve an apoc drive trinket which im not using
sick sentinel
just one thing bothers me with the changes
the gcd on ignore pain
really off throwing
warm plinth
π
wicked trail
someone have a working ignore pain wa aswell?
kind urchin
I'm at 35% and using punish.
lusty grotto
but why
pastel blade
Our 2p T21 bonus, what is the adjustment for that? tooltip for me still reads "On Battle cry... etc"
is it off of Avatar now? or Demo shout?
soft yew
nothing feeder, but the 4pc is op it seems
pastel blade
to proc the shield slam spam
soft yew
doubles the effect of ignore pain
pastel blade
Ok thanks!!
soft yew
when you block
waxen cradle
They adjustment is the 2 piece is broke and not working
half jewel
tank dummy too stronk
waxen cradle
Because they do not want to be too hasty I guess @lusty grotto
As to why 35% and using Punish I guess
half jewel
I can only seem to last for 6 stacks on lesser tank dummy. Am I doing something wrong?
vocal nimbus
He cant be abortus
primal crypt
gaunt coyote
why is 4pc op again?
waxen cradle
Really do not think its just us
fresh dragon
Antorus Mythic boss are literally destroing my war prot π
Portal keeper damage is absurd lol
and LEAP.... doesnt work.....
on her platform :V
@gaunt coyote coz u DOUBLE ur IP value
brave quail
I thot I read that the 4 pc was broke for prot as well with 2 pc. That's good to hear.
north dove
No more battlecry lol
merry cave
The 4pce bug at least makes IP last more than one hit on difficult content π€
wheat bronze
It's a consolation gift for breaking 2pc
hasty sapphire
i dont know, i played Prot Warrior since MoP and always liked it, but this last patch man... i could deal with everything except IP being on GCD, it feels so stupidly arkward being locked behind globals for mitigation. i hope they revert this again, not having fun atm with my Warrior
sick sentinel
IP honestly for me has been the single most awkward and awful feeling ability prot warrior has gotten since vanilla. I'm happy as a pig in filth that its significance has been reworked
grim prism
honey im home
merry cave
If you don't like it fill the class Dev forums with posts. Nothing can change from here even with sensible discussion unfortunately
warm plinth
If anything, I would say IP is more significant than it was previously. Having it at 90% and basically being spammable meant it was always up. Now you have to use it more intelligently in order to gain maximum effect, and it's far far easier to waste rage when using it too.
shrewd knoll
Any longstanding warriors have an opinion on what the tank ranking will look like for BfA/ are prots getting the shit end of the stick with the new balance changes?
kind notch
Can anyone help me with a theorycrafting math problem I'm having. I'm trying to back into the math on Ignore Pain and it isn't addint up while Scale of the Earth-Warder is equipped.
warm plinth
What formula are you using to calculate IP?
kind notch
[(0+AP3.5)(1+Vers)], except when I did that all values were off by 10 when not equipping the artifact, so I changed the 0 to a 10 and it works 98% of the time
[(0+APx3.5)x(1+Vers)] the asterisk got dropped by discord
warm plinth
(attackPower * 2.5) * (1 + Versatility) is the formula being used on live. That might be your issue.
kind notch
No, I'm pretty sure its 3.5. If I change to 2.5 the error on the artifact gets worse, and every other calculation is now in error
warm plinth
Hmm, that's odd. Wowhead does show 3.5 for this build, so you're likely right. But there's no real reason that it should be wrong based on whether your artifact is equipped or not. Trying to think if there's any sort of hidden effect that would mess with it but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe a miscalculation on AP?
kind notch
Yeah I was thinking there has to be some hidden effect. I don't think the AP is being miscalculated for 2 reasons
- I'm using elvui shadow & light armory which displays AP (using that as a reference)
- on my spreadsheet, I have done 34 different gear combinations and the AP I math to equals the Shadow & Light every time
In Prot our AP is multiplied by a factor of our mastery. I used Weakauras to pull that number to 15 decimal places for my math on AP. I alsu used 15 decimal places for Versatility to calculate IP
whole locust
does anyone know of / have a working IP text tracker? Ive tried my old one and a few others but none seem to track existing IP or next IP cast amount.
inland mesa
how tankable was the raid last night, i could never actually get on, any boss just not worth the time atm?
whole locust
i just did aggarmar and argus, wiped at 2% on argus
feels ok but clunky atm either god mode 76k IP with 4 set or taking a ton of dmg
where as before it was an easy 4-5 stacks of scythe with minimal CD's
inland mesa
so 4 set is worth putting on? which 4
warm plinth
The 4 that are highest ilevel
inland mesa
i'd have to lose gloves
whole locust
it has its benefits, but ofc casting an IP by accident when you sit at a high stack seems to reset it back down to 1.3 times the base IP so i went from 74k to 14k by pressing it at the wrong time
warm plinth
Yeah you definitely have to press IP at the correct time now. Very easy to screw yourself with the stupidly low ap
cap*
Or waste rage
IP tracker is basically mandatory
inland mesa
is there a good one?
whole locust
ye hence my asking as all mine dont work now bit annoying
grim prism
so are the skyhold dummies harder to tank since the squish? or am I just trash now
uncut marlin
@shut summit What talents you running now?
whole locust
https://wago.io/BJ5Hpr27Q seems to work for IP tracking
grim prism
haven't ruled it out yet
merry cave
Did a 21 arc ivanyr isn't fun +_+
kind notch
@whole locust That is what I am working on right now actually
fierce juniper
@kind notch
IP formula is the same as ability damage formula for tanks.
That is:
(strength + weapDPS * 6) * (1 + apMastery) * (1 + vers) * 3.5
its not the formula stated in the tooltip
lavish gale
is it not *7 now
shut summit
@uncut marlin https://puu.sh/AZ7df/25d674f2ea.png
kind notch
@fierce juniper thanks for the update. Am I correct to assume apMastery = the mastery multiplier for AP ?
fierce juniper
correct
kind notch
That would explain why my math was getting broken when equipping the artifacts
fierce juniper
Also, I finished my IP WeakAura. It tracks current absorb and tells if you're going to cap/clip IP.
lavish gale
You can grab the IP size from the spells tooltip as well
fierce juniper
I'll release it shortly
It's pretty much exactly the same as the one we recommended in Legion
whole locust
nice thanks
uncut marlin
booming voice? π RIP devastator you will be missed
uncut marlin
π
Tooltip still wrong and everything
this shit makes me wanna reroll brewmaster
sick sentinel
yo we thinking bolster or neversurrender
undone sun
Always bolster
shut summit
always bolster
sick sentinel
im saying bolster but a buddy is saying never surrender
undone sun
Ns is trash
whole locust
ye bolster seemed the best for raiding tonight
kind notch
@fierce juniper Naked I have this caalculation, (365+0x6)x(1+.08)x(1+0)x3.5
that comes out to 1,379.7. My IP naked applies for 1,389. do you know where I'm getting it wrong?
stone mirage
hey guys
fierce juniper
Nah you're probably doing it right. When I've tested it it's off by like 1-5
stone mirage
I was just wondering how you are dealing with scythes without nelths fury
fierce juniper
i have no idea where that variance is coming from
probably some weird rounding things with the way blizz has implemented it
but who knows
whole locust
@muted mauve easiest is P1 2-3 stacks swapping, using SB then LS for 2+3 with IP
stone mirage
p3 though
lavish gale
you can grab what blizzard says it is on the ability with GetSpellDescription(190456)
stone mirage
just LS is enough?
whole locust
i found it was fine
stone mirage
you lucky bastards
whole locust
but no reason to not run a good trinket or put in SW / external somewhere
whole locust
we've run two warriors and a DH for soaking for a while now and before pre patch it was too easy. Now you have to think alot more
i saw that π
whole locust
π
marble oak
anyone know of a working Ignore pain tracking WA in prepatch?
fierce juniper
yeah ill post one soon
if you need one now others have posted a working one (i think) above
whole locust
if u need one now i posted one up a bit till marok does his
high folio
ugh i see devestate spam has returned
marble oak
wdym @high folio
fierce juniper
oh 4 set is even more broken than i realized
there's no cap on the absorb that it adds
if you get a lot of stuff to melee you your absorb can be like 5x your hp lol
whole locust
replace SS and IP spam with devastate spam feelsfine
high folio
unless im doing something wrong then arent we not taking devestator bck?
marble oak
@fierce juniper yea I found out that 2p broken but 4p op af
whole locust
ye marok i was sitting at 76k ip earlier
until i pressed IP out of habit and reset it all to baseline :9
marble oak
does that ignore pain WA track how much you are obsorbing @whole locust
high folio
what talent setup are you guys running, i find myself using devestate quite a vit
bit
marble oak
I like Punish Bolster Veng anger manage
for raid bosses
in prepatch
Thinking Never surrender for m+ content. Booming voice or Dev or Veng if you need more survivability and Heavy repercussions for m+
tender imp
bolster is mandatory
marble oak
for me it depends on what content/what affixes
whole locust
into the fray, UF, bolster, BV and AM
marble oak
wouldnt you get more utility pushing higher keys with never surrender?
plain ice
never surrender for m+ content πΉ
tender imp
how is that more utility
whole locust
id say the impractical nature of NS is massively outweighed by bolster
tender imp
u take the talents that buff your cds (UF bolster BV) then u take anger management to reduce all ur cds
sick synergy
whole locust
LS is extremely strong and having that at a reduced CD is massive
plain ice
have you considered the utility from indomitable though?
marble oak
Wb vengeance vs Booming?
tender imp
with leggo belt u can have 100% uptime of it easily
in 5mans
okay not on bosses but the rest
whole locust
still with avatar and the TC CD can be reduced ST a fair amount more than it already is
fierce juniper
Ignore Pain Tracker
Tracks current absorb and whether or not you're going to cap or clip Ignore Pain.
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
Please read the description on wago, particularly the "Known Issues" section.
whole locust
cheers man β€
tribal shale
how is our opener now?
do i have to pre cast avatar?
i'm feeling like playing a turn based game
prisma oracle
Anyone able to direct me to where the best talent tree is for survivabilty?
amber siren
You can check the pins up top
merry cave
That makes sense based on my m+ runs marok large groups of melee mobs were trivial. But anything that did magic ripped me to shreds
balmy narwhal
So the dogs in ABT hurt a lot
merry cave
Or I fucked up gcd order and just exploded which happened a couple times in archway
lethal plaza
anyone having threat issues at all? is a threat meter worth?
balmy narwhal
is it just me or did u guys feel the same?
tender imp
dogs are overtuned
balmy narwhal
ok cool
tender imp
no threat issues
brittle timber
threat issues against dps or a better geared tank?
brittle timber
i have to get used to not getting too close to charge during my avatar GCD...everything feels so awkward right now
astral crystal
prisma crane
nice, healed for 10.57x the dmg
merry cave
The dumb thing about having devestate back is you still barely use it because your gcd blocked. You've just lost devastator
Should of just canned the ability and made devestator baseline
prisma crane
pretty much
it's just an awkward filler that i find myself forgetting about
and it'll get worse when my haste is worse relative my level
i know atm its just growing pains, but
wtb deva baseline
surreal stump
putting deva back on my bar is giving me cancer
prisma crane
give us the pvp talent Morale Killer on that row
could be a sick raid CD
prob too OP tbh tho
surreal stump
would need a bit of a nerf prolly
fierce juniper
okay its fixed now
https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
fossil kettle
What would be the best talents for single target dps?
I might do a normal run later to see if i can get some #1 on warcraftlogs
On another note is it possible to sim tanks? I ran a raidbots sim which ended up only using autoattacks and on-hit effects
amber siren
The prot dps sim might not be working rn
As for best talents you can find them in the pins
fierce juniper
Prot sims are not working at all at the moment
eager phoenix
How good are Unbending Potion (159 armor for 25 sec) as pre pots compared to Prolonged? Since Prolonged "only" give 113 str/sta right now. I noticed both Draenor and Pandaria pre pots provide more than Prolonged. I assumed that will be fixed though.
fierce juniper
Even if Unbending is better for survivability (don't think it is), I would use Prolonged for the DPS anyway.
amber siren
How's old war with the new scaling anyway?
storm slate
Challenge artifact appearance seems like its lower now?
sitting in the ground for me
dont remember that before pre-patch but maybe I am just going insane
vague mortar
anyone done mythic aggramar and argus yet? wondering how hard it is for prot warrior
amber siren
Argus is overtuned and bugged rn, Aggramar hits like a wet noodle
hollow bolt
astral crystal
aggramar is pretty overtuned too; he doesn't hit hard, but everything else hits like fucking crazy
and people are cheesing him
with the darkmoon bug
grizzled compass
Darkmoon bug?
astral crystal
darkmoon promises or w/e makes some caster abilities free
shaman and idk what else, check logs
wheat bronze
Which one is that?
wheat bronze
I like that it filters to the current zone automatically
wide juniper
best horde prot race.......GO
junior ivy
no just be alliance and be gnome
wide juniper
π€’
odd fiber
Tauren-either kind
wide juniper
Moving servers and factions
sick sentinel
I want to be human so badly cause of transmogs, but want to play horde :-D so orc and later mag'har have to do it :-P
warm plinth
Doesn't belf transmog pretty well?
junior ivy
ok how come some racial abilities are like super useful things you can use in m+
and other races jhave like
heres 15 extra engineering points
how is that fair
warm plinth
Every race has an ability.
junior ivy
but theyre not all equal
sick sentinel
Yeah, but I can't get into them... This pose...
warm plinth
They're all mildly useful at this point, with Arcane Torrent being nerfed to the ground
junior ivy
gnome one is dumb π¦
amber siren
I like escape artist for the root in EoA near last boss π¦
warm plinth
Is there that much purging required in BfA?
main vault
Yes
warm plinth
But don't all of the old purging classes now have purge again?
main vault
3
tender imp
u can also purge the raging affix
warm plinth
Warlocks, priests, mages, hunters
amber siren
Shamans
main vault
Some have a shield for 5x their health
serene jackal
so the going stat priority is Haste>Vers>=Mast > Crit ?
warm plinth
So then for some dungeons it's required; others not so much
Yes @serene jackal. Ilevel is still king though.
main vault
Every dungeon has something to purge
serene jackal
what about on rings?
warm plinth
Idk. Then I guess it's still pretty strong. Even so, the rest of the racials are fairly even and are mostly situational.
Frankly the void elf one disappointed me. It's basically useless considering the travel time of it.
It's a very neat idea but other than for fun, you'd never really put it into practice.
junior ivy
the gnome one is just unroot yourself
oits useless 90% of the time
i always forget i even have it
main vault
Yeah I'd say the rest are fairly even. But AT is a clear winner for m+ and that's what people played it for in Legion
warm plinth
I actually love Escape Artist. I use it frequently on my gnome characters.
junior ivy
what for
warm plinth
Root from the channeler in EoA at the end, Torment in Vault (from the jailer miniboss) to name a couple
Granted you don't get hit by torment if you're tanking
amber siren
There's a few things that deal damage with a slow attached like curse of isolation in DHT
warm plinth
Yeah, if it slows your character down, you can remove it, even if it's a DoT. Pretty sure you can use it on that thing in Seat too
That does damage if you move
timber nest
that feeling when you forget to press devastate cuz its been 2 years
amber siren
I have it on my bar but I'm barely finding any gcd's to use it anyway
junior ivy
oh yeh i gotta put that on my bar
i havent done anyhting on wow since prepatch came out
ive been too annoyed at addons
warm plinth
Yeah the general consensus is that Devastate doesn't see much use. It's basically for filling in the odd empty GCD.
junior ivy
i got a mosquito bite right in between 2 of my fingers tonight π¦
warm plinth
That's an unfortunate place
I don't think I've seen a mosquito in a couple years π€
full spruce
Joined a heroic PK pug tonight, oh boy that was painful
wide juniper
Oh well shit
Created a community yesterday before they went away. Now I can't faction change.
I need to leave the community and can't. Sad day.
junior ivy
omg my weakaura hat tells me "dont move youre eating" doesnt work
and i just wasted a food
by moving before i had buff
sweet kettle
Maybe don't move?
junior ivy
i was relying on my weakaura π¦
amber siren
π€
undone sun
astral crystal
anyone gifted in the ways of WA wanna update NameplateAuras? FeelsBadMan
junior ivy
WE LITERALLY DONT HAVE BATTLE CRY ANYMORE
ruby berry
That is correct.
signal plover
Man I really fuckin love bolster
sick sentinel
Why canβt I be a Magβhar orc yet? PepeHands
astral crystal
spec indom like sco expertly advised
sweet kettle
Bolster all the way
sick sentinel
sweet kettle
Oh snap
sick sentinel
Someone has the power to make our memes dreams
junior ivy
im kinda freaking out
at these changes
ui have 45k health
bersreker rage doesnt give mne infinite taunt
i dont have battle cry
i dont have warbringer
brave quail
well tanking +14 lower kara was pretty easy. Was expecting some squish shinninigans
plain vapor
atleast heroic leap resets taunt still
ashen trellis
Spell reflect reflects 1 tick of medivh's Arcane missle and goes away. Nice
undone sun
Lol
junior ivy
i did top dps on dragon boss
in dht
ok i just did a +15 and i have a lot of issues
.
first things first
do prot warriors just NOT have a 2pc bonus?
ruby berry
Correct.
undone sun
T21 2pc is obsolete, yes
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
ruby berry
nobody said it would be fair though.
tender imp
4pc being op makes up for it
junior ivy
i dont have 4pc
cry
ok i hvae many more issues
i have 45k health??????????????????????????
tender imp
so?
junior ivy
i do 2200 dps ?????????????
π¦
ok i guess its just squish but i hate it
ok one more emergency
no more battle cry..........
so i dunno how to do good dps :/
tender imp
avatar
undone sun
Avatar
undone sun
Yup
junior ivy
i dont wnat initmidating shout
i want it to go away
thats another issue
i dont want rallying cry either
i dont have room o nmy action bar for them
thats about it, except yeah berserker rage not givjng my free taunts
thats sad
oh and i have shockwave apparentlky..
im very overwhelmed
π¦
does rallyingh cry give me the health too?
tender imp
yes
junior ivy
does demo shout still make me do extra damage?
tender imp
if u take booming voice
amber siren
Can't, GCD
tender imp
both are on gcd
undone sun
Gcd locked
undone sun
Β―_(γ)_/Β― doesn't really matter as long as it works for you
junior ivy
ok i think im okay with the changes now..
wait lemme make sure igot right talents
these okay?"
tender imp
ya
amber siren
Yeah looks fine
junior ivy
is the guild tab coming back someday?
undone sun
Legion private servers XD
ember arrow
tbh i like the changes
i also like on the paladin that u can use shield of the righteous without hitting something
ember arrow
what did you mean?
undone sun
Sotr hits multiple targets does it not
ember arrow
logging into my level 46 pala
lets see
seems like it "slams enemies in front of you"
ember arrow
i got 35% haste on warrior after squish, pty much same as before
will that stay similar when bfa comes out or
ionic fern
I miss swirly hammers on paladin. π¦
Also...Booming Voice + Waist on like 10+ mobs..wtf is this i can use Demo Shout every 2nd GCD o.o
ember arrow
i hated hammers
undone sun
Lol pretty much
ember arrow
its like you hit air
ionic fern
Idk, still better than what we have now
Also, has anyone done UK now and felt like they getting cucked on Medivh cause the missiles hit for 10k+ every 0.5s and he casts them like twice as often now? π
warm plinth
Oh yeah blessed hammer isn't a thing anymore huh
Blessed Hammer was a pretty meh ability visually and audibly imo. Felt very ineffective (even though I know it wasn't lol).
@ionic fern Yeah that's a known issue with Medivh. We especially feel it more on Prot because we can only reflect one tick of it now instead of the entire cast, so you have to eat the first 3 ticks and reflect the last one to avoid the debuff.
ionic fern
Jeah, i get that.
I know warriors are cucked there due to magic damage but i was more thinking that maybe Medivh is bugged since over the 5 wipes we had on a +18 he casted missiles like 3 times in a row
warm plinth
Yeah, I was saying that it is a bug. He's not supposed to do 20% of your health per tick. That's unsustainable, especially with the increased frequency of his casts of it.
ionic fern
Ah, aight.:D
warm plinth
Some bosses just got messed up in the patch. Dargrul is messed up too; none of his abilities follow his timers at all. Sometimes he'll do Landslide and not do Molten Crash after it.
ionic fern
I've only done Medivh on my paladin and there it's like he gets no casts off cause you know..AS.
warm plinth
Yeah, β€ Avenger's Shield
ionic fern
I got wrists yesterday ..i wish i never gotten them since i can only use them for a month but they feel soooooooooooooooooo good. π¦
In m+ specially.
merry cave
If IP did damage like sotr it wouldn't feel so completely shit -_-
Also didn't realise medivhs AM didn't count as 1 spell that's pretty awful
mortal carbon
good morning my tanky bois
warm solar
heelo
merry cave
Tanky(ish) bois π
ionic fern
Not sure about Prot azerite traits but is there anything related to self healing like the lege bracers?
hot locust
We've done that forever o_O
Used to do it on mythic for every combo to break up the boredom of farm.
I imagine the second one is a bit of luck though without NF to guarantee crit block.
undone sun
EZ crit blocks
next goblet
i mean i didnt drop very low after the second foe either
and with these changes.. im actually enjoying my warrior a little more O.o
hot locust
What CDs did you have up?
next goblet
Shield wall and last stand
hot locust
Yeah
hot locust
Last week that would have done about 10% of our HP with LS/SW/NF.
next goblet
oh
well then
normally i've been dpsing ABT for my guild on my warrior and tanking on my monk just cuz of our healer comp, it was actually easier to have me monk tank
undone sun
I took foebreaker with 24 stacks, that's also fun
Never really bothered to try the double foebreaker strat like Cosmo does/did
sick sentinel
So i get that were going BV over devastator now (I read the pins!) but have we factored in the new weapon enchant? "Gale-force Striking: chance to increase melee attack speed by 35% for 15 seconds". Would that change things or think not?
hot locust
Its pretty silly Thyme
next goblet
so far how do you guys like the warrior change? also if you have a super duper pooper moment, you can pop rallying cry with last stand i noticed
@sick sentinel i think you'd have to test the PPM
to see if it even possible to outweigh it, and BV = more rage gen
undone sun
Even then, devastator is really bad now
You can have high haste and bv still beats it
next goblet
since our rage pool is much lower than what it was
sick sentinel
Yeah... i was just tryin to find a sliver of hope for devastator lol
undone sun
Devastator doesn't innately generate rage
next goblet
i want devastator to get a buff so i can have to choose between BV and devastator, but right now without BV our rage gen is so pooper
sick sentinel
exactly
hot locust
1 extra rage per auto xD
next goblet
give me 2 rage per auto and i bet it could compete
sick sentinel
ya anything really, going back to devestate spam feels so bad
granted with some haste we really done "spam" it like we did in WoD lol
undone sun
You honestly don't spam it that much
sick sentinel
ya
undone sun
On AOE it's almost never
hot locust
2 rage per auto would put it at similar RPS to BV
slightly less
well actually... thats assuming no haste and a 2.6 speed wep
we obviously have haste
little rain
New +10 str gem vs +11 haste gem, how we feelin
hot locust
wont happen anyways, maybe they buff 
instead
sick sentinel
even if they did i feel like AM is just too strong with bolster
were never going back to HR or ravager lol
sick sentinel
but the increase in health is gonna be great with how the new magic damage is being handled
so the reduced CD is what were after in magic dmg heavy fights
next goblet
bet it does
ember arrow
Its not that strong imo.
sick sentinel
probably :/
ember arrow
Its either or
next goblet
bolster + am = stupid small CD on last stand
next goblet
AM alone makes the CD pretty short
sick sentinel
i'll still be wearing bracers next tier. don't work past 115? don't care gonna wear them and pretend π¦
weary notch
no, shorter, since bolster reduces CD on LS to 2 min
ionic fern
It feels so dumb that they take away all warriors self healing. π Bracers make the spec actually playable in m+. π
ionic fern
And make me actually heal for something as of yesterday.
ember arrow
War doesnt need self heal to be playable in m+
tiny sphinx
it was nice competing with the healers AND dps simultaneously while it lasted
next goblet
well @weary notch i meant w/o bolster, back when IP could be spammable
ionic fern
Idk, i diddn't have them before yesterday and they made m+ a ton easier.
Especially with the IP changes since there's almost no self healing now..or atleast feels like it.
Talking specifically about m+ atm btw.
winged sage
Morning at all
sick sentinel
lol
next goblet
im about to leave
winged sage
Does someone tried myth argus as Prot warri ?
sharp acorn
Maybe itβs opposite day
sick sentinel
just missing Dragons Roar for thew whole kit!
rapid trench
At least you can finally go indom devastator :GWseremePeepoGGERS:
next goblet
no they went unstoppable force
rip
π©
i cant wait to see how bad they fuck up aggramar lol
rapid trench
Eh at least flame rend does 0 dmg
forest fern
Is it just me or if they wanted to rain in ignore pain more why instead of putting it on the GCD why didn't they just make it like the old shield barrier. Not in function but with a short term cooldown, off GCD. Would feel a hell of a lot more comfortable to use and at least could get some reactionary feeling back to it if you need it quick smart.
weary notch
I would 100% love that.
carmine cobalt
In beta warrior feels better than on live atm for me atleast when i got new shield and azerite armors
carmine cobalt
Not that high with 5 stack buff around 28%
weary notch
that's not awful. On live in antorus with 5 stack and heroism my GCD was too fast. UF made TC straight up spammable during heroism
waxen cradle
With the correct gear pieces I managed to get around 32% myself but that was with a lot of M/M+ running
Also a couple traits that buffed haste also
The gear that was being given out as 355 from Arathi had some traits that buffed haste so it helped a fair amount
carmine cobalt
But still something feels better in beta than live might be that there is not that many magic based attacks there
unreal flume
I hated devastator when it was introduced but fuck I donβt like using devastate now
weary notch
I prefer it slower, honestly. I'm probably in the minority there
unreal flume
Doesnβt flow well with extra gcds
waxen cradle
Yeah @carmine cobalt I can agree. My only comfort is that we are not alone in magic damage smashing us
forest fern
i think the idea was in the design philosophy hence the changes to other tanks is to make that shift away from so much magic anyway, prob why it feels more decent on beta
hence all the armor increase abilities and reduction in magic mit and healing, bosses prob will wreck you with standard melee across a long fight rather than insane magic damage as some are now
like the old days
carmine cobalt
Did hc antorus yesterday in live and man those dogs... the debuff at 6 stacks oneshots tanks :D
forest fern
yeah wasn't fun
i mean its also the issue of healers adjusting, they have stated many times they want healers to spam the tanks more and thats just part of the design rather than what they are so used to right now which is ignoring us and laughing once in a while when they have to throw a heal out
waxen cradle
Well they have a maintenance that is coming to live servers soon, I imagine there are going to be some hotfixes
carmine cobalt
Yep
old zephyr
Dogs have always been trouble for me but with the changes.... Man they hit hard
carmine cobalt
We had to do dogs with 3 tanks :D
forest fern
eh its whether they care with 4 weeks left to make scaling changes to it, they will probably do it in the future as "general changes" when the expansion it live and active and no one is watching
waxen cradle
Dogs only felt a issue up to a point, but they hurt like a bitch now that is for sure
weary notch
LOL. There's a bug with pyroblast right now that makes it disappear halfway through it's flight and reappear coming from the opposite direction
carmine cobalt
Other bosses were not problem tho
Have you used beltbuck for that sweet socket in legendary belt
:D
forest fern
wait beltbuckle is back?
amber siren
yeah the ilvl requirement dropped below the maximum we have currently
carmine cobalt
Yep up to ilvl 600 and works for now
carmine cobalt
For sure
forest fern
oversight
carmine cobalt
But is fun till it lasts :D
deep wind
i tought it already was?
forest fern
well makes me wonder how they will hotfix remove it if you already applied it
might get away with it
deep wind
carmine cobalt
In eu it was possible 11 hours ago
deep wind
Item needs to be lvl 85
deep wind
Yea
carmine cobalt
Well lets see if i still have socket when i go home
deep wind
True
tacit coyote
belt buckle doesnt work, even tho im applying to something thats 235 lul
green jetty
Maybe tooltip will be updated after realm restart
junior igloo
More likely a client patch actually.
Tooltips are local, they are not changed on the server side.
copper cedar
Trying to get the IP tracker working, but the text does not show with the absorb value. Possibly due to German wow client, but I donΒ΄t see the problem... Icon is showing.
Did anyone have the same issue?
Got it.
quaint berry
prot feels awful now imo
mainly due to gcd changes
feel like it is the worst affected spec in that sense
undone sun
Hotp on gcd for protadin is definitely worse
quaint berry
thats true
theres just so many buttons in the prot war rotation that should not be on gcd
like demo shout
and IP
feels awful to play
ionic fern
I pulled the first 2 packs yesterday in Votw...Charged in...Avatar->Demo...and i died since i couldn't SB/IP. π
ionic fern
Just needs a bit of preplanning i suppose.
quaint berry
because for the first two gcds you wont have aggro
you need to open with thunderclap or shield slam first
which sucks when they arent buffed by your offensive cds
copper cedar
Well, you could Avatar prepull
ionic fern
Ye, ofc. Just feels wasted.
copper cedar
Not so much if timed properly
ember arrow
war feels pty good, did a hov 17
copper cedar
Infact, using the GCD for an offensive CD prepull is less of a waste than using it infight
ionic fern
Yes, i understand all that. I'm just comparing to live and complaining about the GCD changes.
Just gotta re-think the gameplan.
π
copper cedar
of course it is not better π
smoky oak
Sb is not on gcd tho? Or is it
copper cedar
no, it is not
celest arrow
nope
ionic fern
No.
But atm DPS are mongos so they start DPS'ing as soon as you're in
but if you are there spamming demo+avatar
You are losing agro.
π
copper cedar
Not being able to immediately SB on pull is something to get used to.
For the healers as well, as you suddenly get a bit trucked. It was always nice to know, that the first seconds of a pull are buffered.
And having your first shield slam buffed by SB
On a raid pull with avatar prepull you still have that
cosmic cargo
why would you not be able to immediately SB?
copper cedar
But in dungeons you will not have avatar every pack, so you need to save some rage from the last one
Intercept does not generate the rage a SB costs
copper cedar
I covered that, just read π
stiff fiber
Last stand on pull with bolster is an option...
copper cedar
It is, but it is a waste of SB uptime
stiff fiber
If you take anger management that maybe the go-to plan
little rain
Old War > Prolonged in pre-patch now?
copper cedar
You ideally want to have a charge of SB on CD, before you go into LS, so that that charge can recharge during LS
stiff fiber
Ye but SB is now 40 rage, charge doesnt give you SB right away
It just feels shity AF
copper cedar
aye
But hardly a solution to that. They want a high rage cost for SB, and they clearly cant have intercept generate 30 rage, that would be insane.
stiff fiber
Fury charge was 40 before prepatch, anything is possible π
copper cedar
wasnt that 20?
stiff fiber
40, there was an artifact trait -> history now
lime hull
Had to ask hunter for MD in raid. Completely a first.
copper cedar
ah
merry cave
I could live with demo shout on gcd and remove IP or vice versa. Both feels rough at times. Definitely something about beta made it feel nicer at 120
Also wasn't trying super high keys on beta I guess
lime hull
Think the issue is because of gear + charater level as to why some of us are having a harder time?
merry cave
Arcway 20 definately felt rough though where we would of stomped it last week. Ivanyr was horrid
junior igloo
Charge only incurs a 0.5s GCD, you can use another rage generating ability pretty much as soon as you are in melee range and then Shield Block is off the GCD.
nova vapor
I felt that 4t21 became quite useful. Even tho IP is only 50% now.
merry cave
It's bugged and making ip go way higher than it's meant too if your getting constant blocks :)
mental nest
But does the "bugged" ip actually absorb anything? Whenever mine gets bugged and I get a 26k damage shield I don't absorb shit
sick sentinel
@silent pagoda this is yours right? https://wago.io/IgnorePainBar
merry cave
Yeah mines definitely absorbing, just only prevents 50% now so you'll still take damage
undone sun
Yes it is @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
is it broken for BFA?
undone sun
Yes
merry cave
I really like it this way tbh, but without 4pce or on caster fights IP feels shitty again
sick sentinel
feels bad
thx thyme
marok aura i think its not working 100%
Red: Your next Ignore Pain cast will cause you to lose or gain no absorb amount.
User Options:
Glow (Default: Off) - Makes the aura glow when casting Ignore Pain will grant its full absorb amount.```@fierce juniper It glows, and if I press it goes yellow not red
i think thats not intended
hot locust
It shouldnt go red unless it adds 0 absorb at all or would cause you to lose value because the next cast would make it weaker.
double cast it without taking damage and see if it's red then?
fresh dragon
yo! question: whats ur mastery rating value?
sick sentinel
@hot locust yes it goes red
hot locust
Then it is working correctly.
hot locust
Is it glowing otherwise?
hot locust
I'd just turn off the glow effect then for now.
Probably a weird interaction with overlapping when it's capped.
robust urchin
What are you guys rolling with right now? Punish or Fray?
sick sentinel
fray atm
hot locust
ITTF
robust urchin
I wanna use punish but fray is the only reason i haven't deleted the warrior yet
π
fresh dragon
250 mastery and 250 versatility its ok?
robust urchin
It gonna take time for people to adjust to how tanking works now
Was tanking a 5 yesterday for testing out and before i even charged i saw fireballs and arrows flying
Could barely get aggro
robust urchin
I've sold my tier pieces already
fresh dragon
generate rage with shield slam
robust urchin
Not gonna bother with it since 2piece if worthless
fringe marten
I played a bit post patch today, you definitely want punish
brisk shore
Felt good yesterday, our damage is still decent and with a demo shout build rage regen is solid.
Didn't have any aggro issues in heroic antorus or the +16 EoA I did though I was bursting with Avatar and having a hunter tricks me.
fringe marten
Fray is the..haste buff right?
hot locust
You definitely don't want punish if Fray is staying at 4-5 stacks.
fringe marten
Well I'm looking at this from a raid tanking perspective; where you're mitigating a strong target.
hot locust
You still want ITTF because of block uptime and rage generation.
fringe marten
Buf if you're doing a lot of M+ trash..fray could be sexy. But you'll be tanking bosses as well..so if the bosses get strong enough, punish will still be go to.
hot locust
The only time you want Punish right now is if you have extended periods of time where you cannot be at 4-5 stacks.
fringe marten
Yeah for 5man and normalized content fray is good because it now procs from friendlies; but as BFA actually progresses you'll see most people tanking with punish
fringe marten
Are enough targets that close to you, that much of the time?
IE are bosses that small?
hot locust
Most of the time, yes.
fringe marten
AH...the value of that is going to depend heavily on mob size. On large mobs generally you, and possibly your cotank are going to be the only things within range to proc Fray stacks... and a lot of (older) bosses didn't have the tanks standing near each other...but if the first raid tier has small mobs then you'll be close to your melee dps and cotank a lot.
hot locust
I'm well aware of the conditions of it being good or not...
I'm saying having tested those conditions it's pretty favorable for ITTF right now.
fringe marten
I guess I didn't spec it due to how it used to be; I didn't notice the new condition of friendlies also giving stacks. that talent used to be awful.
robust urchin
Times change
junior igloo
@sick sentinel
The glow means that casting IP is "good" because you will not over-cap. You gain the full value. That doesn't mean you will reach exactly the cap, in fact, it is very unlikely.
lime hull
why would you pick punish over into the fray?
fringe marten
after noticing fray procs onf riendlies and pets, you wouldn't...unless you're tanking a large hard hitting single target.
tawny panther
Solo content punish would be better, not all purely raid I guess
rustic fractal
Why would we play Protwar after what Blizz did π’
tawny panther
?
fringe marten
Because we aren't bitchmade cowards who roll alts.
junior igloo
Punish is 3 % DR, which means it is pretty much 6 % versatility.
Haste is arguably better than versatility, so 2 stacks (6 %) of Into the Fray is already slightly better.
In most situations you will be able to keep at least 2 stacks on average, so ItF should be better.
rustic fractal
By that I mean IP gcd and rage cost
tawny panther
I thought beta had the rage drain damage reduction currently, but not on it myself. So might change soon if anyone can confirm I'm not living in the past
junior igloo
TWF warrior is my alt π
hot locust
Living in the past you are.
lime hull
could you go into more information for 'rage drain dmg reduction' ?
hot locust
It was an old version of IP that just gave you flat DR % but drained rage based on the amount of damage you took.
It's not a thing anyways so not a big deal.
lime hull
Following now
tawny panther
Well I really hope IP gets reworked in 8.1 don't like it currently
Everything else I'm actually rather happy with
fringe marten
I Just don't like the overall flow/feel...since so many things are on GCD now it just feels like I'm doing 'less'
well, it doesn't feel that way..I am doing less.
tawny panther
That's everything tho
hot locust
Everybody gets to feel that way.
tawny panther
Not an us problem
fringe marten
Right; if it's balanced that's fine....just how it used to feel as opposed to how it is now.
hot locust
Went to play holy today on my paladin and cried when I went to pop all my CDs to do damage in M+ and that stuff was on GCD.
fringe marten
Just the opening of combat it slower..etc....charge just doesn't feel quite the same now? I don't know if they messed with the range or if it's just 'cause everything is on gcd.
tiny sphinx
the gcd thing was a lazy solution to a problem blizzard perceives in 'balance' that never really was a problem
hot locust
Charge is definitely a little funky again.
fringe marten
Yeah stacking avatar and demo shout is ....2 seconds instead of instant =\
Yeah I knew it wasn't just me..something was feeling wonky...more than just the gcd crap.
..oh at least heroic throw has high threat again~ yayyy... =\
junior igloo
Assuming you have a friend standing close enough π
lime hull
beauty is it counts for friend or foe
sick sentinel
Sco said the complete opposite...sometimes i wonder those #1
hot locust
Sco is rather face-value about things with his judgement...
sick sentinel
Anyones knows if the lock pet the big guy with swords has a taunt? Did a rdf hc and the guy always stealing threat
carmine cobalt
Well sco only ranks tanks in perspect of doing world 1st race i think
tiny sphinx
just do the math for 20% shield slam damage over x minutes vs minimum stacks of haste from ittf over x minutes
fringe marten
The doomguard? I think doomguard does have a taunt
fresh dragon
btw im still wondering how 4pc and IP works with 8.0.1
i cast IP then in 3-4 sec my IP goes up to 100% of my entire HP life
π
sick sentinel
Shouldn't the taunt be off in parties automatically?
fringe marten
I wouldn't lose sleep over it, all legendary and set bonus abilities will be obsolete soon.
tiny sphinx
then we get to make non choices for lazily thought out passives in armour slots
fresh dragon
@fierce juniper
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fringe marten
You know, as powerful as bracers and belt and gloves etc etc were...you know what I'll miss the most? ...
Triple leap shoulders, and the crafted run speed legendary belt..
and or the run speed boots
World questing with those on was so much fun.
sick sentinel
speaking of leggos. any tips on which free (1k wakening essence) legendary to get for prot warr to move into bfa?
carmine cobalt
I'm using shoulders for sure
3 leaps and pvp talent that stuns all leap hits for 3 sec
And handy for skipping some terrains
robust urchin
Some guy posted a video on how endlessly leap with shoulders and furry pvp talent barbarian
I might level up as fury in bfa
carmine cobalt
So for me lvling leges are most likely shoulder + one of trinkets
lime hull
Timeless Stratagem + Opus
lime hull
yeah not amazing but I think it'll help till gear starts to come along
cosmic cargo
"gear starts to come along"? you realise you're gonna feel weaker and weaker while leveling
if anything equip it at 114 or 115
lime hull
yeah but every expac is like this. We were geared, get nerfed/buffed, throw into new content, get our asses handed to us while we gear up for better items. I'm hoping to be somewhat stat happy by the time I'm 120.
cosmic cargo
that's not how it works
fierce juniper
@fresh dragon Are you using a non-English client?
cosmic cargo
also prydaz is a neck so
carmine cobalt
Ye didnt even think of that :D might be hard to use it
ruby cloud
What leggys should i play atm in ANT?
robust urchin
Are secondary stats gonna play a big role in bfa? I thought there were pushing the main stat mentality
light fulcrum
They Said seconds wont matter much
shell night
more that there isn't a massive jump in 2nd stat numbers between ilvl increases. They will matter but an ilvl upgrade should always be better
lone cobalt
it is the unfortunate follow up to the fact that new players shouldn't be exposed to difficult mechanics, otherwise they drop the game
because it seems somewhat counter intuitive that something 'lower' might be better
due to 'number magic'
shell night
The change is a product of the player base crying that they couldn't equip their higher ilvl stuff because of stats and tier set bonuses. So blizz removed that as an issue
cosmic cargo
you will mostly go for ilvl in legion for tanks tbh
fierce juniper
@fresh dragon Found the error. Yeah it was a problem with non-english clients.
It's been fixed in the latest version. https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
tawny sphinx
NL last boss is so f*** bugged. All walls spawn on the tank. You have to move the boss around asap................ thanks blizz, never spawned on the tank before, why u make my life hard? ><
robust bronze
i had that problem yesterday too, tought it was me being bad
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze No, it's a bugg. ALWAYS spawned on range before. Now u need to turn boss around asap asap asap. -.-
robust bronze
and, it only spawns 2 walls, before it spawned 3 i am quite sure off and i think magma wave comes to fast after molten crash
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze Ye. Before, it was some buggs to. But not this hard ass big.
robust bronze
like the tank need to move asap after molten crash cuz of magma wave else you dead, atleast after my experience
tawny sphinx
I remember after the 3rd boss, i jumped down in water on bdk and got dc, dc dc dc dc. And you could spell reflect landstride so the last boss so the boss respawned.
Ye, it was not like that before. always walls on range
robust bronze
i lost all confidence after that run, so havent tanked since xD
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze Ye, i can imagine. But its a bugg.
I dont think blizz changes before exp π¦
robust bronze
Good to know, have you reported it as a bug?
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze they never fix bugg. Never fixed that when u spawn on a pixle in water, you get dc dc dc dc and can not come online.
Rip dreams
robust bronze
have people in here made their mind up on whats best to use currently? like 4pc or ilvl
burnt tusk
Hey guys, I'm trying to get my ignore pain weakaura working. It only displays the duration, but not the absorbed amount. Any solutions yet?
hidden axle
there's a dope one by Marok