protection

[lusty grotto]

lol i thought the same thing Mighty

[uneven mason]

🤔 DKs can self sustain?

[stuck oxide]

They cant

[lusty grotto]

he's trolling

[fresh dragon]

the could. they cant anymore?

[stuck oxide]

They can heal themselve

[fresh dragon]

i didnt read the DK forum

i have 4 war prot on my account

[fierce juniper]

@sick sentinel uhh, with the way i made the icon one it would be pretty difficult to make it a progress bar
i dont have time to make it right now, sorry

[stuck oxide]

But self sustain

No

[acoustic sparrow]

yea blizz in their infinite wisdom decided that making tanks a burden on the healers and stripping away any sense of independence for tanks was somehow better.

[uneven mason]

We were tanking before tanks could self sustain

[kind notch]

what's the point of a healer if the tank can fully self sustain?

[static cedar]

HEY

DOES ANYONE ELSE NOT HAVE AVATAR ON BETA

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

indeed @uneven mason

[acoustic sparrow]

healing the other 18 people in the raid?

[uneven mason]

^^

[old zephyr]

didn't found what I was looking for as a WA, can I have a bar that fill according to the Amount of IP I have rather than time?

[stuck oxide]

@static cedar read the pins

[tawny sphinx]

St dps is gone 😦 since set not working, and u need the other talent besides devaststor. = No deva = no gloves. But that aoe dmg though xDDDDD w8 for it. 🤤

[fresh dragon]

the problem is always the same..
if a dps die "oh...well...its ok continue" if the tank die "oh fuck it! Wipe and blast him!""

[uneven mason]

😕 our DPS is just fine

its not what it would be with the 2p

but our damage is not lacking

[tawny sphinx]

@fresh dragon always if You’re prot warr, But never if u go bdk 😃

[fresh dragon]

i dunno the BDK

but i like ur avatar pic so i trust u whatever u say....

[lusty grotto]

bdk can't self sustain

[fresh dragon]

[sick sentinel]

@fierce juniper thx nevertheless 😃

[tawny sphinx]

@fresh dragon i play both 😃 they even defend me if people are ninjapulling, But if it happens om prot warr... lord mercy

[fresh dragon]

are u a girl?

sex discrimination exist in wow...

[lusty grotto]

🤦

holy shit haha

[tawny sphinx]

@uneven mason yeah, But i like to be the highest st dps tank :3 dh does the same 😦

[uneven mason]

K, so play VDH

[fresh dragon]

"its a MALE WAR PROT? Call pentagon for a B-2 stealth bombardment"

[lusty grotto]

i can't believe a discussion has devolved into this

[uneven mason]

What even is that?

[chrome harbor]

idk i just came back to this

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[fresh dragon]

@lusty grotto lol 😄

[uneven mason]

Like, I don't even see humor in there

[lusty grotto]

i can't even

[tawny sphinx]

@fresh dragon lol, if i wanted to get carried, i would reroll healer or dps 😉

[uneven mason]

I'm one of the most snarky individuals in this place, and I don't even get where he's going.

[chrome harbor]

idk the healer forgetting about the rest of the raid I found humorous

trying to catch up

[uneven mason]

I mean

Healers are in just as bad a spot as we are

[fresh dragon]

so... all happy for this new EXP

[lusty grotto]

it's hilarious because it's so different from the usual discussions

yet so familiar... like General channel perhaps

[uneven mason]

Trade Chat?

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

[fresh dragon]

O_o

[chrome harbor]

idk this is a lot more coherent then trade chat, and a lot less whingey then the GD forums

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

@static cedar respec

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

it almost got as whiney though

[chrome harbor]

idk GD can get pretty whiney

[kind notch]

@strong forum I fixed the formula [(0+3651.083.5)+(1+0)] = 1379.7. Tooltip shows 1389 for IP.
If I put on some armor that changes my STR but not Vers or Mastery the difference changes.
@407 STR formula shows 1538.46, tooltip shows 1550
@471 STR formula shows 1780.38, tooltip shows 1792

[uneven mason]

I think I'm just going to every 30s while I wait for this server to figure out if its going to crash or not.

Winflakes, is there a base value you're forgetting?

[lusty grotto]

👍

[chrome harbor]

what if we all change our avatar pictures to a giant pin

[lusty grotto]

i use minimized chat so i don't see avatars 😦

[strong forum]

i had 1538 absorb though

so whats your deal

[kind notch]

@uneven mason Could be, but I'm not sure. Thats why I stripped to naked to get the lowest smallest value

[uneven mason]

I mean that looks like a pretty consistent 1per 10 levels job with rounding.

[acoustic sparrow]

so based on current tuning I feel like guardian druid is the safer pick for prog tanking. Am I wrong?If so, why.

[uneven mason]

[ember arrow]

a

monk

[strong forum]

with 394 AP i have 1389 absorb

[kind notch]

@uneven mason what do you mean 1 per 10? the differences are 9.3 @365, 11.54 @407, 11.62@471, 11.06 @502

[strong forum]

with 434 1529

[kind notch]

@strong forum Where are you seeing your AP levels?

[acoustic sparrow]

I guess I should've said vs prot war

[uneven mason]

sorry missed the first value the 407 and 471

[strong forum]

i check my character sheet

that is with battleshout

[small storm]

Trying to find which trinket i should use in m+, got any tips?

[kind notch]

@strong forum Well, I don't have that line. Do you know what it's coming from?

[strong forum]

terrorbound nexus

do you have shadow and light elvui extension

[kind notch]

I don't think so, just base elvui

[sick sentinel]

so

[strong forum]

under shadow and light, go to moduels, then armory mode, character armory and then display under attributes power

[sick sentinel]

we've got a 2 set

for an ability

[ember arrow]

doenst work

4 set is op

[sick sentinel]

that doesnt exist?

[ember arrow]

next

[strong forum]

god

[sick sentinel]

LUL

[strong forum]

can marok please make a pin

saying it doesnt work

[sick sentinel]

oh i'm sorry i just opened up my laptop u loyal warrior discorders!

[ember arrow]

it works, but battle cry doesnt exist

[sick sentinel]

does it annoy you

[ember arrow]

not really, but its quick answer

[sick sentinel]

next xD

haHAA

[small storm]

what legendary should i run in m+?

[lime perch]

Stat prio?

[strong forum]

gloves/belt

ilvl

[sick sentinel]

and we are bad?

i heared

[strong forum]

no were not

[sick sentinel]

nice!

[lime perch]

What is the stat Prio for Prot now???

[strong forum]

stat prio is ilvl

no jk

[fresh dragon]

haste -> vers/mast -> crit -> dunno?

[strong forum]

yes its exactly like that

[sick sentinel]

best leggo to get?

[strong forum]

but ilvl above it

[opaque pagoda]

Ignore Pain on the GCD is about as awful as awful can be, I just want to state that yet again@

[sick sentinel]

wrists?

[strong forum]

no bracers are terrible

[fresh dragon]

wrist are ridicolous

[sick sentinel]

ggwp

[strong forum]

if you wanna to current content get gloves /belt

[sick sentinel]

ive got chest LUL

[strong forum]

for leveling you wanna juse kil jaedens

[sick sentinel]

chest is a meme right

[kind notch]

@strong forum can you put on all yer gear and tell me your AP and Ip values please?

[chrome harbor]

I still wana try belt/trinket when i get home

wait how do the class rings function atm?

[uneven mason]

I mean Nomeratur you're not wrong

[little star]

they still work fine

[uneven mason]

ilvl > 2ndaries

yeah if I get asked to tank tonight i'll probably be Archimond's + belt cause I like having that extra absorb

closes up the gap in our CD cycle nicely

[strong forum]

its not super thought through

just a simple answer from me

[sick sentinel]

so either hands or belt

[strong forum]

belt 100%

[sick sentinel]

is there one of these 2 better

i can buy one

ok

thundergod's vigor?

[strong forum]

yes

[sick sentinel]

so

booming voice talent?

always?

[uneven mason]

Always

[strong forum]

100%

[sick sentinel]

im very new to this xD

but it makes sense

ty

[uneven mason]

Belt is the best lego right now

[strong forum]

100% build

[red cave]

for aoe that survival is not an issue, devastor + gloves + sephuz seems way better

[strong forum]

no description, just 100%

[uneven mason]

30 and 75 tiers are "personal preference"

[strong forum]

yea

[uneven mason]

but overall that's what you'll run

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if sohuld buy prot legggos tho

prolly wanna level fury

in bfa

[stark sage]

devastator sucks atm @red cave

its a dps loss and less rps than BV

[chrome harbor]

is 75 personal, Id think RE would always be better

[strong forum]

take sephuz or kil jaeden then

kil jaeden is OP for leveling i heard

[uneven mason]

Devastator is a massive RPS and DPS loss vs BV in all situations Voyle

[acoustic sparrow]

talent system is a joke. May as well just bake those talents in and only have "personal preference" talents to choose from

[red cave]

devastor does more damage than BV if you are not hiting devestate normally in your rotation

reading is easy, thinking is hard

[undone sun]

[stark sage]

[sick sentinel]

????

[strong forum]

thats just stupid

[uneven mason]

🤔 BV is a 15% multiplicative damage boost combined with 20% from Avatar and 50% from UF for AE spam?

[strong forum]

you need the rage bruv

[red cave]

you dont need any rage in aoe

[uneven mason]

Devastator is half the damage of a revenge on your auto attack

makes sense

[strong forum]

devastator is bad now

accept it

[chrome harbor]

its the new

[uneven mason]

No

even Ravager looks at it and laughs

[chrome harbor]

while spinning*

[uneven mason]

Cause Ravager officially can retire as the "Worst Talent in the tree"

[red cave]

free damage, why would not want it

[strong forum]

🤦

[uneven mason]

Because you get more damage from Booming VOice?

[stark sage]

its less damage than the buff from BV

[red cave]

half a revenge is higher than normal

no it isnt thought

[uneven mason]

BV is a 15% on everything that has DS on it?

[stark sage]

except that it is

[strong forum]

15% is more than a couple auto attacks

[sick sentinel]

should eye of f'harg be in stam or str mode

[red cave]

15% is hardly worth the global cooldown it spends

[strong forum]

troll

[stark sage]

devastator is only a dps increase when you are GCD locked without pressing devastate

[strong forum]

confirmed

[chrome harbor]

str id think, you get str and bonus armor

[strong forum]

100% troll

[red cave]

@uneven cosmosdin exactly

thats exactly what i am saying

[stark sage]

which that case only happens when you are proccing revenge a TON

[sick sentinel]

this argument is devesatiting

no? :haHAA:

[stark sage]

and on aoe the BV buff is stronger

[chrome harbor]

whoa we only do bear puns here

[red cave]

or have avatar up for your pulls

[strong forum]

which you have for every pull

[sick sentinel]

whats loojking like the best tank un prepatch rn

in

on

[strong forum]

nobody knows

[sick sentinel]

oh

[uneven mason]

All of them Bearly

[strong forum]

pally is the most well rounded

[uneven mason]

We've barely had time to test

[sick sentinel]

dk is snore

so boring

[strong forum]

but thats only beta info not prepatch Kappa

[uneven mason]

That has more to do with the fact that most Paladins are eiterh Blood elves or Dwarves Nomeratur

[sick sentinel]

do u people ever intercept others? where and when is it good?

[uneven mason]

:rounded:

[strong forum]

hah

blood elves though

[chrome harbor]

I intercept ppl for mobility but tahts about it

[uneven mason]

You intercept your offtank if they need an external on something that won't 1 shot you

but

[lusty grotto]

i miss warbringer

[uneven mason]

me too

[strong forum]

i didnt use warbringer

[uneven mason]

intercept allover

AE interrupts for M+

[chrome harbor]

I miss vigilence ( i think it was called )

[strong forum]

it was stronger yes, but i didnt like how it worked

[uneven mason]

hotness

[lusty grotto]

dat intercept stun was so hot

[uneven mason]

you'd just intercept the rogue at point blank

stun everything

[lusty grotto]

yup

[strong forum]

oh

[old zephyr]

the WA for IP in the pin doesn't have the shield value, anyone that mess around with these things could tell me how to get it?

[strong forum]

im stupid

NOW I GET IT

FUCK

i thought you had to leap out and charge back in

never tried it

[uneven mason]

)-O

[strong forum]

didnt know it procced of allies

[red cave]

it went through 3 or 4 different ways the move worked, never documented when they switched it

[lusty grotto]

yeah it did

that's why it was fun

[strong forum]

welp

[lusty grotto]

and you could intercept super close

basically point blank

[strong forum]

ah well

[chrome harbor]

dont feel bad, Id kite with TC then intercept when i had range, i didnt know that either

[lusty grotto]

any melee that were in your mob basically

[uneven mason]

That first pull inside of Maw of souls

[red cave]

you used to be able to pull things from accross the instance, cause it was based off your target rather than the thing you intervened

[sick sentinel]

is the ally compnent of into the fray new?

[uneven mason]

INtercept didn't DR with other stuns

[strong forum]

yes @sick sentinel

[undone sun]

Yes @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

thats sick

!!

👏🏾

[strong forum]

yea thats why its the best talent now

almost always have the 5 stacks

used to proc of hunter pets in beta for some time

[sick sentinel]

it procs with lock pets tho

i tested yesterday

[strong forum]

so they reverted it?

yo nice they reverted it

[coral dew]

I keep missing the answer when I ask but, is it just me or did they need the shit out of shield bash

The pvp talent

[strong forum]

lemme check

[coral dew]

Last night did like 3x SS damage, now it's just normal ss dmg

[waxen talon]

its always been worse

[strong forum]

not it hasnt

[coral dew]

Shield bash?

[strong forum]

mine is worse than SS aswell

[waxen talon]

the spamable -15% ?

[coral dew]

It was hitting for 3x SS dmg last night I swear

[strong forum]

on beta it was 3-5 times the damage of SS

[waxen talon]

it was worse than Shield slam pre BFA.

[coral dew]

I was half shitting mobs

Shotting* lol

[wide fiber]

does the t21 2set now work with avatar or is it a dead bonus?

[strong forum]

dead

[waxen talon]

mustve been a bug with something

[strong forum]

no it was OP

[waxen talon]

its obviosuly not intended to override ur rotation with spammable stuff with a awesome effect.

[strong forum]

i crit for 65k some days ago on beta

with shieldbash

[wide fiber]

so t21 is useless now? and should i still be going for the t20 4set?

[strong forum]

21 4p is OP

[waxen talon]

dont go for sets.

[undone sun]

4pc is really strong

[strong forum]

go for ilvl

sets dont matter anymore

or rather

[waxen talon]

4pc is pretty damn op yea

[strong forum]

nothing matters until bfa launch, atleat for me

[waxen talon]

but then again

probably rather want stats

[undone sun]

ITF used to trigger on battle pets as well

Pretty sure it still does on hunter pets

[strong forum]

yea but it was taken out for some time i remember

guess they brought it back in

[wide fiber]

ok so what im seeing is drop t20 and get the t21 4piece?

[undone sun]

T20 is worth dropping at a 20 ilevel difference per piece

[strong forum]

defensively t21 4p is apparently giga strong

[ember arrow]

i cant actually do anythign yet?

bfa things?

[ancient ore]

what would be the best talent choose for mythicplus

[strong forum]

oh shiiiiit

old school LFR now drops 6 pieces per boss

siiick

[kind notch]

Doesn't for WoD content tho. has to be over 10 levels currently. Don't know if that's intended or not

[strong forum]

yea you need more than 10lvls above

[steep pilot]

Anyone else struggling with getting 1 shot on fel hounds mythic?

[strong forum]

yes theyre overtuned atm

[sick sentinel]

what honor talerntsu guys propose

[steep pilot]

yeah noticed

[strong forum]

sword and board

the demo shout one

and... idk since shieldbash is nerfed w/e

[tulip arch]

I like thunderstruck for actual PvP

Came in quite useful in the open world PvP WQ areas in Legion

[lusty grotto]

i'm going for shield bash, morale killer and sword and board

BV morale killer might be beast

i haven't logged on yet though, so i'll have to test it out

[strong forum]

shield bash got nerfed severely

does less than SS now

[junior ivy]

look what i found

in skyhold

[strong forum]

nice

[lusty grotto]

yea but still the only other damage choice is RfB maybe or Oppresor

[sick sentinel]

can u believe people that lived 10 years ago are still alive

:pog:

[strong forum]

well it is super rare

nonetheless

[lusty grotto]

my actual super casual guild got SL on Arthas, a hunter got it

we were alliance back then

he did something that will not be named with his account though

[solid sun]

Anyone else having weakaura issues? Can't even bring up the menu, but it looks like streamers are able to use their weakauras.

[junior ivy]

i can bring up the menu and my WAs seem to be working

but i havent actually foguht anything since prepatch came out

ive just been hanging out in skyhold

every time a new addon updates on twitch i get excited thinking its kaliels quest tracker

but it never is.

😦

[strong forum]

FUUUUUCK YES

FINALLY

[junior ivy]

grats

why is it so special?

is it a cool transkog?

transmog*

[strong forum]

sooo guud

[junior ivy]

oooh i like it

[strong forum]

time to make a sexy mog

[thorn spruce]

Mister @timid jay what is best dps cooldown? Berserker rage or battle cry? I need to macro it in a castsequence and i need to do it in the right order

Please mister theorycrafter

[strong forum]

for tank?

avatar

[thorn spruce]

Berserker rage or battle cry

😠

[strong forum]

you dont have battle cry as tank

[undone sun]

.....

[strong forum]

and berserker rage is not a dmg cd

[undone sun]

@thorn spruce 🗞

[thorn spruce]

Is cosmo afk? 😦

Not fun then

[strong forum]

oh

sigh

it was supposed to be funny

[undone sun]

Lol

[tulip arch]

Ha...ha?

[thorn spruce]

Well more like it was supposed to annoy cosmo 😄

[solid sun]

Inside joke?

[strong forum]

i guess 🤷

[thorn spruce]

Mister theorycrafter @timid jay

Please respond

[undone sun]

Mr. Woliance, moderator in HoW

Smdh

[thorn spruce]

Hello

[timid jay]

What

Berserker rage isnt even a dps CD

:what

[undone sun]

Nice nitro emotes

[thorn spruce]

So its battle cry then berserker rage then

Thanks

[timid jay]

Battle cry doesnt even exist anymore

🤔

[thorn spruce]

Youre a bad theorycrafter

[hot locust]

I agree.

Riot!

[timid jay]

I also agree

[undone sun]

+1

[thorn spruce]

So whats happening here

[undone sun]

Prepatch shit

[thorn spruce]

Its super active in HoW

I wanna hide 😦

[hot locust]

Everyone is busy crying here.

[timid jay]

Crying or whining about stupid stuff

[thorn spruce]

Lemme join you on that 😃

😢

[timid jay]

But I'm TC so I dont have to be active here anymore

😏

[undone sun]

Lol

[hot locust]

Sco ranked us bad 😢

[thorn spruce]

And thyme is vaaahh...right

Sorry that was mean @undone sun

[undone sun]

Rip

[thorn spruce]

❤

You know i love you bby

You too @timid jay

[timid jay]

❤

[thorn spruce]

@undone sun

😭

I want dead channel back again

Until i nuke prot bfa

[timid jay]

Why not nuke it now?

[hot locust]

Nuke it now

[signal plover]

😢

[undone sun]

We already nuked ours

[solid sun]

What's HoW

[timid jay]

paladin discord

[hot locust]

pretty pink boy home

[undone sun]

Hammer of Wrath

[ember arrow]

guys how do i fix my addons

redownloading them doesnt do anything

or reloading etc

[tulip arch]

Not everything has been updated yet

[chrome harbor]

delete then redownload?

[solid sun]

Has the addon in question been updated to the latest patch

[ember arrow]

just did a maw +14

oh man

its.. quite harder than it used to be

[chrome harbor]

Heyla is a bit scary, but I Think its because that green shit isnt scaling properly

[ember arrow]

soloed her on bdk, on war group actually did stay alive

[chrome harbor]

that and my healer and 2 dps (DHs of course) at the blackwater barrage and died so I had to solo the last bit

thank god for bolstered last stand

[ember arrow]

i tried to change sets but :^)

be4 boss

its one encounter

what was i thinking

[chrome harbor]

cant do that, changing gear isnt fun 😄

[undone sun]

🙃

[tulip arch]

It's too hard, you need an addon for it

[ember arrow]

helya = trashpacks

same thing

no difference

[chrome harbor]

yea if only Blizzard made something that would swap out gear in sets that you could then put on your bars...

[ember arrow]

no

u need addons

for that

dont u know

and pressing keys is tryhard

[junior ivy]

i only learned recently that you could put gearsets on your action bar

it was a life changer

[ember arrow]

so u took a year to get dressed be4 bosses before>

[solid sun]

No

[ember arrow]

year =more than 1 click on actionbar

[chrome harbor]

so thats what the new GCD is, huh no wonder everyones upset

[junior ivy]

i used to just never change my gear

cause it seemed annoying to do

but now i have gearsets and theyre on my acxtion bar

[ember arrow]

but...

[olive fiber]

Lmao

[ember arrow]

ehh

...

??

[junior ivy]

so i can easily switch ourtlegendaries

[ember arrow]

nvm

[junior ivy]

out*&

[olive fiber]

I use opie

[ember arrow]

whats annoying

about making gearset for 10 sec

then putting it on actionbar

[chrome harbor]

I used it all the time for my fishing set... tho i dont think +fishing does anything anymore, I at least looked the part

[solid sun]

I don't change gear

I don't want an armory taking up my bag space.

[olive fiber]

Needed that speed set on my dk

[ember arrow]

what m+ levels did you do

[uneven mason]

+Fishing does things if you're fishing something that has a better % on higher skill

[olive fiber]

Or did fucking kms irl

[uneven mason]

like, getting Lunkers

in WOD

[chrome harbor]

so then it did help. yay

[ember arrow]

@solid sun my bags = armor and trinkets

[junior ivy]

can i still get fishing artifact pole?

[solid sun]

My keys ranged from 10-15

[ember arrow]

ohhh

then u didnt need to

[chrome harbor]

min/maxing is still a fun part of RPGs tho 😦

[ember arrow]

no

its tryhard

[chrome harbor]

I never understood that insult, I think pretending to not care about stuff stopped being cool after highschool

[ember arrow]

same reason why edgy teens spam haHAA in twitch chat

😛

"this is like, so cringe"

[solid sun]

Eh, is tryhard an insult?

[uneven mason]

"I must be bad at this so, anyone who is good must be bad"

[ember arrow]

good players are gatekeepers for content

dont u know

[olive fiber]

Swapping out gear sets with an addon isn’t tryhard...

[ember arrow]

why get better when blizzard can bring them down

[uneven mason]

tha is the one vid that I agree with Preach on

[ember arrow]

it seems my sarcasm is to oadvanced

[uneven mason]

when he made fun of the folks defending the gear swapping nerf

Its like

[chrome harbor]

yea i enjoyed that sass

[uneven mason]

"Gearing macros is not hard, its literally TWO BUTTONS"

[ember arrow]

the 99% of players or whatever that this didnt affect

wanted change

[uneven mason]

I mean back in the day when you had to manually write the /equp slot17 "item name" crap

[ember arrow]

even though they didnt do content

[uneven mason]

and have 4 or 5 buttons to do it

[chrome harbor]

yea maybe im not the target audience, I loved oldschool warrior weapon macros

[uneven mason]

I did too

and trinket swaps

[solid sun]

Why is there an addon to swap gear? Isn't there a gear swapping function on the gear window

[uneven mason]

because trinkets didn't share CDs

not even PVP trinkets

[chrome harbor]

yea thats the joke

[uneven mason]

level 70 horde medallion and level 60 horde medallion

Yes Rhino that is why folks who think it was overly complex to swap gear in M+

is just obtuse

[ember arrow]

literally clueless people complaining about something not affecting them at all

[uneven mason]

^^

[olive fiber]

The addon Opie combines/binds all of your equipment swaps to one key

[ember arrow]

the thing is it is possible ingame without addons, easily

thats the point

[uneven mason]

And yeah, Vanilla warrior weapon swaps

5 stacks of Crusader FTW

[olive fiber]

Lmao

[chrome harbor]

I guess shield swap macros are kinda coming back now that we have weapons again?

[uneven mason]

Nah

You won't change gear mid combat

because why?

[chrome harbor]

well more for pvp

[uneven mason]

Prot can't do anything using a 2h, and Fury can't do anything using a shield

[chrome harbor]

like defensive stance, sword n board it up

[north dove]

Why is Prot so undervalue'd in PvP

[uneven mason]

PVP hasn't even started yet

[north dove]

Oppressor, Demo Shout, Int Shout

BG's

[uneven mason]

K

Well, its one day in

and no one has really tried it

also

if you're ranking for last season

[north dove]

I tried it

[chrome harbor]

TC root with UF avatar might be fun on flag mayhem

[uneven mason]

going into preseason could mess up your rewards

[north dove]

Lol, i dont care

[weary notch]

I'm running affliction warrior

[uneven mason]

Prot PVP from our toolkits

should be pretty fun from a control standpoint

[chrome harbor]

dragon charging ppl off the mid of eots is always funny too

[uneven mason]

^

[weary notch]

Shield Bash is INSANE

[uneven mason]

Dragon Charge, Warbringer..

Did they nerf SB today?

I haven't gotten home to test it

[weary notch]

it's 4x a shield slam, with no cooldown if the target is casting

[north dove]

yea just looked at that

[solid sun]

I read it was nerfed, Ikarikaze

[uneven mason]

me too

but I can't confirm

[north dove]

I personally went with Oppressor, Morale Killer and Mass spell

[uneven mason]

so I'm hoping someone will go slam a target dummy for me

[weary notch]

wait, how did they nerf SB?

[north dove]

might switch out a few

[uneven mason]

and tell me if it hits for shield slam damage

or "WHATTHEFUCKDIDYOUDO" damage still

[river echo]

Hey guys, are warriors still any good because it dosent feel like it right now?

[weary notch]

oh wait, crap, they did nerf Shield Bash

[warm plinth]

Just leave muh Bolster alone

[uneven mason]

Warriors are amazing

[river echo]

Raiding wise yeah ?

[north dove]

Dmg on the tooltip are roughly the same

[uneven mason]

Whats the tooltip say Exodus

[north dove]

not including Shield Block adding

[uneven mason]

snip me a screenshot

[north dove]

bash could put some Serious pressure on healers

[tawny sphinx]

What the fuck is wrong with hounds

[uneven mason]

of the tooltip for both

[tawny sphinx]

XD

[uneven mason]

Hounds needs some fancy tanking

just 3 tank it

you'll win

[river echo]

Hounds just ripped my face off

[uneven mason]

they're overtuned so just roll with it

[undone sun]

Handdul of bosses are still over tuned

[ember arrow]

somethign about small indie company

[uneven mason]

I mean

they're killable

[weary notch]

wait, wait @uneven mason , what spell are you talking about being nerfed? Shield Bash or Shield Block?

[uneven mason]

obviously

Shield Bash

the PVP talent

[weary notch]

ok, yes, it was nerfed

[uneven mason]

its old effect was 319%

[weary notch]

now hits for about the same as Shield Slam

[uneven mason]

fffffffff

RIP Prot PVP

I guess they didn't want to relive the glory days of Patch 3.0

[weary notch]

My SS hits for 1595, SBash for 1580

[uneven mason]

No point to that talent now

at all

[tepid oar]

My Ignore Pain seems to grow up to 60k at some instances during raid

[uneven mason]

Although

[tepid oar]

Anyone else has that?

[uneven mason]

yes Keion

the 4p is bugged

to our benefit

[tepid oar]

Excellent

[uneven mason]

the AP scaling

is wonky on the buff you gain from the 4p

so as long as you cast IP every 10~ seconds

[plain ice]

i feel like.. no one reads/checks pins. idk how ya'll don't get tired of reiterating the same thing over and over that's already widely accessible 🤔

[uneven mason]

Actually my is tired

so its taking a break

[strong forum]

i can take over for some

[uneven mason]

Actually, Shield Bash is still pretty good

it no longer melts anyone

but combined with Moral Killer

[weary notch]

stil good for heavy casters

[uneven mason]

Well

its more

[strong forum]

35% DR

[uneven mason]

yeah they do 35% less damage

to EVERYONE

[weary notch]

15%

[uneven mason]

Moral killer is must in PVP

[strong forum]

🤦

he said morale killer

• shieldbash

[weary notch]

oh, yes, that's correct

[signal plover]

Boom roasted

[strong forum]

boom

[uneven mason]

So literally DS in Warmode

has no CD

[strong forum]

yea

[uneven mason]

jinkies

[opaque temple]

i shield bash not useable in PVE?

[uneven mason]

In world PVE

[opaque temple]

cant seem to use it on a training dummy

[strong forum]

only in the overworld

[uneven mason]

(That sounds so funny to say)

[north dove]

yea if Warmode is on

[opaque temple]

aaaaah

[uneven mason]

We're used to shit being disabled in PVP and only usable in world PVP

and now its the reverse

everything works in PVP

and PVE is where you feel all sad

cause you don't have an amazing charge that AE stuns everything

I mean, imagine if we had Warbringer in M+

[opaque temple]

dear god it hits for 300k

XD

[uneven mason]

Heroic leap AE stuns? WAT

[strong forum]

what hits for 300k

[signal plover]

Stop hitting squirrels with it

[strong forum]

animal abuse

why is there no police whistle emote

[signal plover]

Let's parse on critters lads

[tulip arch]

I think he means the dummy hit him for 300k?

[weary notch]

yeah, warpath is better than Shockwave

[strong forum]

i demand one now

i demand police whistle emote!

[signal plover]

Small indie discord devs

[uneven mason]

Zymo, did you hit the level 60 target dummy, with a level 110 character

cause

you know

🙄 you get a considerable multiplier

[strong forum]

oh sorry, that never usually happens

i swear i never prematurely tell someone to check the pins! i swear

got a little too excited there

[weary notch]

every time someone says , everyone has to actually check the pins

and take a shot

[strong forum]

monka

[signal plover]

Correct

[strong forum]

shots of water~

[waxen talon]

shots of hunter blood

[weary notch]

shots of ouzo

[marble iris]

This isn't mine but for those of you looking for an ignore pain absorb amount indicator this WA has a working one: https://wago.io/SyqN6sh7Q

[arctic sedge]

So, how do we all feel about the spec?

[steep flare]

I love it

[weary notch]

I greatly prefer it to legion

[tepid oar]

Rerolling Brewmaster

[versed viper]

Someone please tell me i'm not the only one that really wants to use devastator

[arctic sedge]

No point in using it I'm afraid.

[weary notch]

do you like playing brewmaster? If so, go for it. If not, probably a bad choice

[marble iris]

Yeah I want to use devastator too lols.

[versed viper]

I know 😭

[sick sentinel]

gonna miss devestator 😦

[steep flare]

It was weird finding a spot for devastate on my bars again

[sick sentinel]

ya lol

[steep flare]

but booming voice is too fun

[versed viper]

I liked booming voice when it wasnt on the same row

[weary notch]

I think devastator was always meant to be the QOL weaker option ever since they introduced it - they just never tuned it correctly

[uneven mason]

It was intended to plug a gap in our rage generation during EN

which it did

[wide field]

i noticed our throne tier is pretty worthless ow since we don't have the ability that triggers it anymore

[versed viper]

But was there a point in killing the talent completely? If they dont really want people to use it then why even have it around

[warm plinth]

4pc T21 is actually brokenly good right now.

[uneven mason]

Its still a QoL improvement

just a DPS and RPS loss

[warm plinth]

2pc bonus is worthless, but the 4pc is great

[weary notch]

you can still use it. It's not a TON weaker, but it is objectively weaker

[versed viper]

I'd rather be miserable than underperform 😦

[uneven mason]

so would most folks

thus the gripes

Devastator is and shall remain, a quality of life lazy mode talent

[weary notch]

you don't hit devastate very often, and if you are, something's not right

[uneven mason]

Its not like Booming Voice demands a lot of attention

[rustic fractal]

Did this happen to anyone else ? I got literally killed in two shot against the "boss" dummy in skyhold. I was formerly 955 ilvl, mannoroth shackles, warlord soul ring, + 35% haste

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435482604280610837/469233240604147752/unknown.png

[warm plinth]

It's not scaled

[weary notch]

yeah, that happens to everyone

[rustic fractal]

Like it's not balanced for Legion content ?

[wide field]

yeah its scaled to 120 now

[warm plinth]

It's not scaled for the stat squish

[marble iris]

Seems like they should just send the dummys out to raid then.

[warm plinth]

I was saying yesterday that it should be the new final boss of ATB

[rustic fractal]

So we are currently facing low ranked demons able to kill us by scratching our arm bcz that squish aint fit for Legion ?

[warm plinth]

No, the dummy can kill you by scratching your arm. Not the mobs.

[rustic fractal]

If so, we can't do any shit for a month

Ah

But

Seems like the hounds in Antorus are hard to kill

[uneven mason]

people are clearing ABT

so

roll with it bois

[timid jay]

Tuning is always a bit fucked after a squish

[rustic fractal]

and many raids have theirs tanks getting OS on them

[warm plinth]

That's just typical scaling issues that come with any sort of change to scaling.

[timid jay]

Its nothing new really

[warm plinth]

the same shit happened with the last squish

[rustic fractal]

Ah :/

[uneven mason]

We're 1 month out from it not being important they have an empty bucket of Fs

[rustic fractal]

Idk, so you think we're still able to LFG for Antorus HM and still do it or nevermind, it's over

[wide field]

i think they need to replace battle cry on our tier with avatar of demo shout

[warm plinth]

You can still clear the raid. There are minor adjustments you might have to make but it's not that serious

Yeah that's what we were saying yesterday. Just have Avatar give the 5 second buff

[wide field]

you think it would be a quick fix

[vast spindle]

is there a good weak aura for tracking ignore pain duration/amount?

[runic hare]

Fun fact: if you mount up on a 2-vendor mount, you get 2 stacks to your Into the Fray

[lusty grotto]

is there anything particularly broken in dungeon content or pvp? i'm trying to figure out what my guildies are crying about tuning and scaling but they won't give me specifics

[warm plinth]

Lol, kinda funny that NPCs can count as allies

[lusty grotto]

because so far I have only seen dogs, argus and training dummies

in here

[warm plinth]

The only two dungeons I've heard complaints about are Upper Kara and Nelth's Lair

Medivh apparently 1-shots tanks (as well as Curator's overcharge, if he lasts that long), and Dargrul in Nelth's seems to do his abilities in random order with no specific timers.

[graceful dagger]

would it be a good idea to macro racial blood fury and avatar together? is this possible still?

[warm plinth]

Are they both on the GCD?

[weary notch]

you can do that

[lusty grotto]

blood fury is still off the gcd imo so sure?

[weary notch]

racials are off gcd

I macroed Stoneform and Demo

[warm plinth]

I thought Arcane Torrent wasn't anymore

[weary notch]

except that one

[warm plinth]

Gotcha :p

[graceful dagger]

cool, thanks fellas

[broken kite]

Dogs was Y I K E S

[uneven mason]

Thus far I've heard doggos are intense

Like, a real "light a fire under your healers"

[lusty grotto]

is it true people are wiping on heroic daily dungeons? or is this an exaggeration?

[junior ivy]

i heared stuff in ICC isnt one shottable anymore

like it takes a lot longer

for stuff to die

[steep flare]

nah I practically solo'd my heroic daily

they're not hard if you're not braindead

[fiery pike]

booming voice is better than devastator correct?

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

haha

i love that emoji

[uneven mason]

I think I'm just going to do that every time it gets scrolled off

[broken kite]

Yes BV is better

[soft glen]

what legendaries you guys going to use for leveling? sephuz /belt?

[uneven mason]

@fierce juniper can we Change the channel names to #Check-The-Pins-Prot, #Check-The-Pins-Fury, #Check-The-Pins-Arms

[lusty grotto]

booties and sephuz

[uneven mason]

[broken kite]

Probably boots/sephuz

[lusty grotto]

gottagofast.gif

[high pilot]

any1 having an issue with avatar?

[weary notch]

/drinks

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

.gg

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[weary notch]

/drinks

[sick sentinel]

You7 guys lkiking siegebreaker?

[broken kite]

No

Don't have it

[random galleon]

all i do is tclap

[junior ivy]

im gonna lose my mind if this addon i like doesnt get updated omg 😦

[lusty grotto]

😱

[junior ivy]

wait omg i read comments on curse

he is updating it today

❤

[runic hare]

Is the Argus scythe really doing 280k

[weary notch]

which one?

[runic hare]

and Soulbomb Detonation 700k on mythic

[weary notch]

I hope not. I have 41k health

[undone sun]

Scythes are hitting for 65k on the first stack

[runic hare]

the dungeon journal is intimidating me

unmitigated I take it?

[undone sun]

Yes

[weary notch]

hmm. I guess I need to take indom

[uneven mason]

wat

[runic hare]

the dungeon journal is a bunch of fake news

[uneven mason]

Dungeon journal gives you unmitigated numbers

[runic hare]

I dont think 280k unmitigated damage from one scythe is not the unmitigated number

or at least I hope so

[weary notch]

all I see in the dungeon journal is dinosaurs

[lusty grotto]

rofl brun

[echo cloud]

so i went to the icy veins stat priority is the same ?

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

ilvl > all then the standard

[weary notch]

ish. Haste, vers >= mastery > crit.

[uneven mason]

wear the highest ilvl, the 4p because its bugged right now might be worth losing a bit of ilvl for tho

[echo cloud]

and bracers for survive belt hands for dps

[hot locust]

It's worth losing a lot for tbh

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[hot locust]

The 4p basically means you only have to cast IP once every 12 seconds unless it gets clean wiped off in a single hit.

[uneven mason]

Belt for all, bracers are kind've garbage cause of the lower rage per sec we have

[weary notch]

they're still not bad. They're just not quite as good

[echo cloud]

2pc just doesnt function ?

[uneven mason]

correct.

[echo cloud]

awesome thanks blizz....

[ionic fern]

So,..i just tried UK 18 on my warrior...

How dio i survive this?? o.o I got 40k hp.

[vivid orchid]

spell reflect should still work

[ionic fern]

Only got one charge.

[warm plinth]

Use spell reflect on the last pulse

[ionic fern]

And he apparently casts Piercing MIssiles like 3 times in a row now

[warm plinth]

The last pulse is what applies the debuff

[ionic fern]

Over 4 pulls

[junior ivy]

use the pants that givew you 2 charges

and for the other one just use last stand or something thatsw aht i do

[ionic fern]

Dont have the pants.

[junior ivy]

what

ohhh

[ionic fern]

Cant swap gear around either.

[vivid orchid]

if its m+ he cant change mid dungeon though

[junior ivy]

pants are kinda necessary for upper kara 😦

yeah you can

you can change between puylls

[ionic fern]

I could do it before but now

[junior ivy]

right?

[vivid orchid]

you have to zone out now

[signal plover]

They changed that in prepatch

[rare slate]

why prot warrior are so shit now ?

[vivid orchid]

all tanks are weak rn

[signal plover]

Kek

[hot locust]

define "shit"

[jaunty pine]

Is y I'm worried bout prot warri

[sick sentinel]

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[hot locust]

because comparatively I'd say they are pretty good.

[sick sentinel]

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[echo cloud]

throw others off scent

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[rare slate]

i cant survive tanking dummy more then 30 sec

dafaq

[signal plover]

closes discord til 120

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[strong forum]

pretty much @signal plover

[signal plover]

@strong forum I thought u were overreacting yesterday but man...

[uneven mason]

HOLY SHIT, SCo said warriors are bad?

Re rolling VDH

[strong forum]

hah 😄

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[hot locust]

He said DH was worse XD

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[echo cloud]

monks were best according to him

[uneven mason]

BAT SHIT? SCO SAID VDH WAS BAD

I'm re rolling Warlock

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[vivid orchid]

monks are pretty good for raiding, so hes not really wrong on that specific thing

[signal plover]

Let's go warlock

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[weary notch]

blueberry tank

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[worthy yoke]

Sco lives on another planet...literally trust nothing he says

[strong forum]

lets play MoP Tank Demo warlock

[uneven mason]

Sco found out the dude that wouldn't take the pins out of his arm played a warrior so he gave us a bad rating

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[uneven mason]

I remember when Brewmaster was completely unplayable 2 months ago in beta

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[uneven mason]

None of the tanks are bad

but you know

[weary notch]

it did feel weaker questing. That might have been part of it

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[weary notch]

right

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[uneven mason]

Dave

makes monks OP

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[plain vapor]

l8 but you can take first two scythes on argus with just shield block

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[weary notch]

it feels super similar. Except guard feels a little OP

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[olive fiber]

Guard is awkward to use. HT is the better talent

[hot locust]

Avatar feels better than battle cry imo

Love UF

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[weary notch]

i'd say BrM feels the least changed of the tanks. Maybe bear, too

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[uneven mason]

can't wait for them azerite traits for TC HNG

[olive fiber]

You’re 100% right

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[olive fiber]

BrM also isn’t effected by the gcd change

They’re like, wtf do we put on the gcd... how about nizzy..?

Having dave and legsweep is going to be pretty cool

Or legsweep and rop

[plain vapor]

i heard they hotfixed aggramars flame rend

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[olive fiber]

Wish I was home 😔

Switching from BrM to warrior is going to be weird though. My warrior has always been fury, so having the defensives on gcd wont really bother me because I never played it in legion lol

[ashen trellis]

only defensive on gcd is Demo

shout

[weary notch]

what was wrong with flame rend?

[olive fiber]

Ignore pain isn’t on the gcd?

[uneven mason]

wat

[weary notch]

it is

[ashen trellis]

if demo shout wasnt on gcd idk if anyone would be complaining. but thats be beaten to death for the last month now

[olive fiber]

Last stand and shield wall aren’t on the gcd?

[plain vapor]

flame rend was doin very little damage last night

you could solo soak it twice

[weary notch]

demo doesn't bother me as much as IP. And honestly, IP doesn't bother me as much as charge.

charge on the GCD just feels BAD
'

[waxen cradle]

Once we get the Azerite trait deafening crash ermagurd its going to be amazing

Also looking forward to it very much @uneven mason

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[waxen cradle]

Also when people realize what we can do with Shield Bash our pvp talent once we hit 120 and get decent geared it will be a omegalawl

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[weary notch]

I um, I have a mission that costs 1000 order resources for a reward of 370 order resources and a possible bonus of 370 order resources

[uneven mason]

Shield Bash got nerfed bruvh

its SS level damage

[waxen cradle]

Oh did they 😦

[uneven mason]

the 15% damage reduction is nice tho

[waxen cradle]

Did not see the nerf oh well

[ashen trellis]

Sheidl bash and dragon charge got nerfed. both were doing wayyyyy too much dmg

[uneven mason]

Morale killer + Shield Bash means that they're not killin anyone

esp if you got bodyguard on them as well

imagine that crap

Disc Priest + Prot war

disc is taking like 15% damage from folks

[fickle geyser]

i hope they buff devastator, feels bad hitting devastate again

[waxen cradle]

True but Dragon charging in and hitting people with Morale killer and then shield bashing them will still make a pretty big difference

[uneven mason]

Dragon Charge - clear that mid in EoTS

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[uneven mason]

CHOO CHOO MOTHAFUKAS

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[weary notch]

<- pre patch nose

[waxen cradle]

Will make people wtf a few times especially if you teamed up with a disc priest agreed

[slate obsidian]

THOSE ASSHOLES, THEY MADE MEDIVH'S MISSILES NO LONGER REFLECTABLE

[hot locust]

Sure you can.

Just 1 of them.

[slate obsidian]

that's fucked

[hot locust]

Welcome back to only reflecting 1 spell.

[slate obsidian]

nah, it reflects all spells, they changed it

[hot locust]

🤔

[shut summit]

almost like we lost an artifact trait 🤔

[sinful tangle]

hey - a quick question, does the 4pT21 work for Prot Warriors? Tanks in our guild were complaining

[weary notch]

mine only reflects bad spelling

[coral dew]

What would be a big burst damage combo for prot in pvp

[slate obsidian]

yeah, but the spell reads "reflecting spells" not "a spell"