some are going for speed
#protection
junior ivy
this is most important part of titan panel
my private messages being stored there
lol
otherwise i cant keep track of conversations
junior ivy
2 of those people arent in my guild
lusty grotto
oh well whatever works for you
uneven mason
#protection != Titanpanel Customer Service
crisp slate
Umm...why is Avatar missing from spellbook on live?
uneven mason
swap specs
lusty grotto
respec
lusty grotto
👆
crisp slate
Thanks guys
uneven mason
Marok slaved over a hot word processor for hours and you folks are not reading his hard labors
onyx radish
Any ideas about the 40% DR nerf to IP? Seems pretty excessive
uneven mason
At least this time I know the IV guides are legit
lusty grotto
well to be fair archi worked on the dps ones there before so they were halfway legit
lusty grotto
right
uneven mason
so I didn't even read the IV stuff
But like, Marok did a above an beyond job on the tanking one this time
lusty grotto
that site still gives me the heebie jeebies, its design is super outdated
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
uneven mason
gotta get more stuff up on it tho
lusty grotto
and skyhold is responsive! horray
junior ivy
so are m+s different now?
with the ilvl squish?
like if i could do +20s last week
can i still d o +20s?
little star
depends on how well your group adjusts to the changes
merry cave
We were doing 22/23 last week. Had on 'ok' time in 20s
sick sentinel
i had easier time in m+ both as dps and as tank
merry cave
way easier when swapped off war tho
junior ivy
i shouldnt have issues in +15s though righjt?
merry cave
no
junior ivy
even selling +15s?
sick sentinel
we actualy face-rolled in one 25
chrome harbor
Seems like things are dying faster
sick sentinel
nah prot aoe damage is insane
sick sentinel
really good for ST not so much but around 3k damage
lusty grotto
class hall
timid jay
Its always been there
junior ivy
it was never there for me lol
sick sentinel
hahahaha
timid jay
Unless you always had something to disable it when youre in your order hall
lusty grotto
get out of Skyhold
junior ivy
i must have had something disabling it by default..
lusty grotto
it should go away
junior ivy
ive never seen it
neon prawn
menace is the talent you want to take if you want DHs to piss you off gg
merry cave
Roac, did you tank the 25 on your war or dps it
junior ivy
re my pvp talents okay
are they just personal prefernce?
i coiuldnt relaly find a guide to which ones to pick
lusty grotto
do you play war mode?
neon prawn
thunderstruck top tier
junior ivy
i plan on turning on war mode yeah
lusty grotto
go for dmg talents then
robust urchin
Prot feels very weak in pvp
sick sentinel
but i did one 20+ as warrior had no issue surviving
lusty grotto
no need for defensives for leveling, unless if you plan on facing a ton of the other faction
junior ivy
i plan on having war mode on just for xp bonus
i suck at pvp
thats why i picked defensive ones
lol
lusty grotto
so remove mass spell reflect
leveling will go faster with dmg
not with defensives
robust urchin
i would level up as arms
neon prawn
prot has always felt good leveling up in bfa
junior ivy
when i first got wow in burning crusade i leveled from 1 to 70 as prot
uneven mason
I did too
neon prawn
=ooooo
junior ivy
and i leveled 70 to 80 as prot in wotlk t oo
lusty grotto
jesus i always leveled as arms, until legion
junior ivy
i was a noob when i first got wow and didnt know how anyhting worked
uneven mason
Shield Block Value set in Patch 3.0, Shield Slam was hitting harder than Execute
lusty grotto
i remember that
uneven mason
I destroyed everything as prot
junior ivy
oik i got a problem, the button on my map tp use my free wq angels isnt there
uneven mason
it was the beginning of the "Tanks solo anything"
lusty grotto
but still couldn't bring myself to swap :p
uneven mason
I was taking out 5man content just me andm y wifes hunter
neon prawn
bfa leveling is easy regardless, dps specs have trouble spam pulling sometimes especially warriors with little self-healing
wise monolith
did they tune up Felhounds?
neon prawn
its whatever you prefer honestly for leveling
uneven mason
which could happen occasionally
wise monolith
well i have been killing mythic hounds on mythic for 3 months now and never struggled now im dieng on heroic
neon prawn
the patch change would have nothing to do with that /sarcasm
uneven mason
I mean, you also have to be more cautious with your CDs on dogs as well
neon prawn
the amount of damage people take even in heroic dungeons has increased significantly
cinder nova
What's causing deaths on dogs?
lusty grotto
*raids
coral dew
Am I crazy or did shield bash do like 3 times the dmg last night vs. today?
lusty grotto
shield bash?
uneven mason
Did they hotfix our most precious PVP talent?
neon prawn
all pve content seems a bit harder since no more artifact weapon traits
chrome harbor
Legion content isnt also balanced around tank changes to magic mitigation and taking more dmg, which could effect it. idk i havent raid tested yet
coral dew
PvP ability
lusty grotto
oh
uneven mason
Shield Bash - AKA WOTLK Shield SLam
lusty grotto
right the interrupt thing
cinder nova
It's not an interrupt
coral dew
It was like 3x shield slam damage last night bit today it's just normal
uneven mason
its an attack that hits for 400% damage, and resets its CD instantly if someone is casting
hrm
lusty grotto
ah, that's the part i was remembering
uneven mason
if they nerfed it than thats BS
cinder nova
Warriors op remember
uneven mason
Yeah basically it was "If you're dumb enough to cast while I'm in your face, I'm going to 2 shot you"
But yeah, I kind've expected it to get nerfed
coral dew
I mean it's basically a free shield slam of the target is casting
uneven mason
Because Warriors are never allowed to excell at PVP
wise monolith
Should i be tanking with my druid on BfA? xD
uneven mason
Its horrible if it does normal SS damage
lusty grotto
you mean prot
uneven mason
bth
lusty grotto
:p
neon prawn
holy shit the training dummies in skyhold..........
chrome harbor
wasnt it early mop where prot was one shotting people with slams?
neon prawn
druids feel worse than warriors imo
cinder nova
Yep
lusty grotto
training dummies everywhere
lusty grotto
let me refer you to our lord Sco
neon prawn
DH brews
cosmic cargo
monk and pala are the 2 safest bets
cinder nova
Sci is a mook
neon prawn
pally got that OP magic reduction with block talent so....
lusty grotto
holy shield?
cinder nova
Don't trust what he says, he's a raider not a theory crafter
cosmic cargo
if you just care about raiding warr is also is a great spot
lusty grotto
except sotr doesn't reduce magic damage anymore
cosmic cargo
no one reduces magic damage anymore
neon prawn
it also doesn't matter what you choose unless you're going for world first 100 or some shit
chrome harbor
^
neon prawn
except paladins and DKs really
lusty grotto
holy shield + spellwarding are their only defenses against magic
neon prawn
and its way better than what every other class has
wise monolith
well i love warr its my favourite but im afraid of the changes lol
cosmic cargo
it's more than any other tank vs magic
merry cave
It matters if you push high keys as well, warrior is definately weaker in m+
neon prawn
although the fights are tuned with this in mind supposedly <.<
gonna have to stack those shield/healing azerite traits tho
lusty grotto
i see some Lord Sco fans are here
neon prawn
sco freaks me out
lusty grotto
^_^
neon prawn
ranks didn't really matter honestly
lusty grotto
i actually didn't watch any of his videos tbh
neon prawn
he also made the point that they had the best magic defense which was what all tanks were lacking now
cosmic cargo
it is true
neon prawn
the difference between the worst tank and the best tank in his video was very slim if you paid attention
cosmic cargo
warrior is also really good vs magic spikes though
cosmic cargo
but sustained magic damage like g'huun warr suffers a bit in comparison
neon prawn
also having your own rating system is meh
lusty grotto
you guys really did watch his videos
lusty grotto
oh
chrome harbor
listened to it during my morning commute, traffic here sucks
neon prawn
and g'huun is just one fight that can be handled with any tank
chrome harbor
it really comes down to what you enjoy though
neon prawn
comparing classes is important for people who want to push top 100 really and thats about it. everything is really viable with time and practice
lusty grotto
swole you've been around long enough to know i'm kidding
unless i'm confusing you with someone
cinder nova
Fucking hate that guy
lusty grotto
which i might be
main vault
It doesn't even matter for top 100
stoic parrot
I'm liking hitting last stand and taking my hands off the keyboard for 12 secs
main vault
His rankings only matter for 4 people
neon prawn
thats true as well haha
but all people who watch his videos take it as law
and that the only tank worth playing is a monk now
dangerous thinking really
main vault
Simplest answer is "if you have to ask, it doesn't matter"
neon prawn
when then actual difference between the monk and a warrior tank is hypothetical really
i like it nexii
lusty grotto
healers are able to adjust to monk intake easier though, let's be honest
chrome harbor
warrior wins in the badass category tho
neon prawn
always ^
lusty grotto
but that won't matter at all after a few weeks in
neon prawn
true but that also depends on the healer
uneven mason
TFW Dude who ranks the tanks doesn't use Warriors CDs 50% of the time and is specced into AM +++ Professional level stupid
neon prawn
and then again if you play a warrior correctly you aren't helpless against damage
main vault
If you play well enough it doesn't matter shout healers
lusty grotto
right
neon prawn
the only people you should really worry about are the healers in your runs and yourself
celest arrow
for 5 man m+, do you go anger management or heavy repercussions? if youve specced bolster n booming voice?
main vault
Healers only matter in 5mans anyways
neon prawn
but having input on classes is nice to know too, doing research helps you make a choice on a main but in the end, everything is viable
lusty grotto
@celest arrow AM
fallow cape
i think anger management should be used always basically
neon prawn
AM is so nice
celest arrow
yea, its a lovely talent with the two other bits.. but you then use the cds as filler in between downtime of shield block yea?
main vault
Any tank that wants to be any above average level of skill should know all 6 tanks
chrome harbor
only reason I know all 6 tanks was because the mage tower, and I Still have no idea how vDH works... if thats a testiment to how faceroll their mage tower is
main vault
Right. But in raid tanking you should know your cotanks class as well
lusty grotto
btw, were communities and guilds reanabled? they were all disabled last night, you couldn't see rosters etc
uneven mason
VDH I don't think has any skillcap tbh
little star
not yet
uneven mason
Like, you just hit buttons
lusty grotto
vdh is all about using the orbs to power up your moves and generating them with fracture
uneven mason
and you seem to stay alive?
main vault
You are 100% wrong that VDH has no skillcap
uneven mason
Its a very low one then
main vault
Saying that means you don't know the class
lusty grotto
or at least that's what i took from it
i'm gonna be honest, i had a fun time with VDH
not enough to swap off
neon prawn
well technically with any class in any mmo....you just hit buttons
uneven mason
Ok we, I mean, I just kind've spammed my way through the magetower
main vault
Any tank with low AM uptime has a skillcap
lusty grotto
well they self heal pretty well
uneven mason
On par with how easy Fury was
neon prawn
fury is really fun to play now
main vault
The magetower as a judging tool is more worthless the sco video
chrome harbor
yea I did the warrior one last July, compared to that they've all been pretty faceroll
uneven mason
I mean in general, to do the warrior mage tower you had to MECHANICALLY know what the hell you were doing as a warrior more or less
neon prawn
you just place it on top of your SB to smooth dmg
uneven mason
VDH I Just killed stuff and eventually won
main vault
There are no conclusions you can draw from the mage tower
neon prawn
thats probably because you learned how to do the fight with the warrior
uneven mason
I didn't feel in danger of being killed at any time
neon prawn
and then went in and steamrolled as VDH
uneven mason
that could be true
main vault
Im assuming you did it after the SpB change?
lusty grotto
also if you did it as warrior first, you knew what the hell was going on and how to use every other tank class's tools
main vault
When it took 0 skill?
uneven mason
But, on the other tanks (paladin) I actually had to use my toolkit
What I was trying to say is VDH is set up to basically have survivability as a portion of their basic rotation
uneven mason
DK was another easy one
lusty grotto
yeah marrowend
uneven mason
Thus - Skill cap wat?
main vault
That doesn't make it no skill cap
uneven mason
Comparatively I would say VDH is on par with Guardian Druid in the amount of braincells that are engage to actually play one
lusty grotto
hmm
main vault
You're an idiot
chrome harbor
bashing other tanks is a good way to find out what everyone plays
cinder nova
Lol
uneven mason
I know Nexii plays a VDH
lusty grotto
dunno, orb thingie management seems like higher cap than just mashing thrash and iron fur
main vault
I play all 6
lusty grotto
or whatever you use other than mangle
uneven mason
But orbs are engaged much the same way as a druid will use FR
*shrug
its not that much of a reach
main vault
No they arent
neon prawn
just because a class is easy to play doesn't mean its not fun or interesting as well
uneven mason
If you REALLY think about it, it is.
main vault
It's obvious you don't know how to play DH and can't play one at any level of skill
coral dew
Quick question: what should Ibgeberwlly prioritize in terms of damage mitigation (assuming nothing on cooldown) IP or SB
neon prawn
i wanna see dat endless 30 proving grounds on a DH
chrome harbor
IP for magic/unblockable dmg, SB for blocking
uneven mason
DS into SR+IP for magic
neon prawn
but generally its nice to use IP in any situation AFTER SB or SR depending on damage type
uneven mason
SR is off the GCD last I chcked
chrome harbor
yup*
uneven mason
IP is used for damage trimming
lusty grotto
yeha thank god for that
coral dew
Sorry what's SR again, I need to relearn all my terms
chrome harbor
think id riot if SB went on the GCD
neon prawn
spell reflection
coral dew
I'm lvl 58
lusty grotto
would be absolultely useless if it was on the GCD
coral dew
Okay word
neon prawn
oh then don't worry
lusty grotto
on a pvp level at least
neon prawn
i just make sure to have it rolling if a bit magic hit is about to happen
cosmic cargo
it wouldn't be useless considering IP is on the global and it's worse
but yeah it'd be shit to play
neon prawn
reactive CDs don't work anymore
neon prawn
you aren't supposed to spam IP anymore really, no use right?
chrome harbor
no rage for it
neon prawn
yeah
uneven mason
Nexii because a class is intuitively built around its rotation performing both DPS and survivability functions thus requires less decision making on the part of the player mean, in generally it will be more INTUITIVE on how to play it, thus, a lower skill cap. getting triggered over your favorite sacrificed everything lime flavored posterboy doesn't change the fact that VDH is designed to be functional without much knowledge of the class itself.
chrome harbor
though i did seem to have a ton of rage in M+, but ST theres no way in hell you're spammin IP
neon prawn
that took a lot of time to type Ikarikaze relax
if you put that much effort into playing the game maybe you'll get somewhere
uneven mason
nah had to get a DB sync running while I was in the middle of it 😛
main vault
So some moron commenting on the skill cap of tanks he doesn't play and doesn't play well
neon prawn
its just a lil obvious that you're fighting to be correct in a purely opinionated conversation
main vault
Basically Sco 2.0
timid jay
To get the max out of VDH's theres a lot of micromanagement with souls
neon prawn
WAs
uneven mason
I didn't comment on how good/bad VDH was?
timid jay
Comparing that to FR is not really similar
neon prawn
galore
timid jay
In any way
dusky sentinel
Guys. Stop triggering each other. This is not the channel for calling others shit
uneven mason
I just commented on I found VDH to be easy to play, compared to the learning curve on say, paladin warrior or BDK
neon prawn
based on how you performed in the mage tower tho
main vault
You based it on mage tower. Completely worthless
cosmic cargo
how is there a learning curve on BDK?
coral dew
I'm just a noob who wants to smash people with his shield :(
neon prawn
so its your opinion
cosmic cargo
dh if anything is closest to warr
coral dew
I quit at the start of cata so I'm kinda really liking the spot prot is on for both pve and pvp
lusty grotto
Souls is what I meant when I said orbs btw
main vault
DS timing is huge
cosmic cargo
you see your health go low
you DS
wow
hard
if you manage to waste RP
you did something very very wrong
ember arrow
Implying tanking is hard on any tank
cosmic cargo
not saying that
ember arrow
You dont ds when hp goes low necessarily
lusty grotto
Blood shield was a thing
main vault
If you DS before the next melee comes in, unless you would die, you wasted part of it
dusky sentinel
Why are u all deflecting from the subject. Tower challenge vs what tank is hardest to play is 2 different things
ember arrow
@lusty grotto no it was worthless
delicate urchin
wow ip reduce 50% dmg amazing with bracers, rip((
dusky sentinel
Dk tower challenge i facerolled. Warrior I did not. Thats a simple fact
lusty grotto
It's all bias
Like I said if you main war and you did kruul on it first everything is easier because you know mechanics
fringe lake
b
main vault
Yeah see im the opposite. DK took me a few trys. War I got on 4th try
strong forum
all depends on gear tbh
chrome harbor
NLC and antorus gear probabl helped, i imagine the warrior one would have beena lot easier witht he T21 2pc
cosmic cargo
warr and dk are comparable for challenge I'd say
strong forum
and what challenge you did first
cosmic cargo
with comparable gear
strong forum
if you learned the challenge on BDK first then ofc warri is gonna be easier
other way around is the same
lusty grotto
yea @strong forum is also correct, its not accurate to compare at all
cosmic cargo
dk was harder for me simply because it was at considerably lower ilvl
lusty grotto
i facerolled dk but i was 920, i was 895ish when i did war
chrome harbor
Kruul is mostly mechanical, which is probably why so many ppl QQ about it
strong forum
since i learned the challenge on my 898 warri i just obliterated VDH at 880 1 leggo, but that was also due to VDH being giga easy
cosmic cargo
the hardest back in the day was either monk or pala
uneven mason
Nomeratur you can't say VDH is easy
lusty grotto
pala was hard when it came out due to hp pools
strong forum
it was
uneven mason
YOU MIGHT MAKE SOMEONE UPSET 🙄
dusky sentinel
Haha
strong forum
HAH
signal plover
IM SO UPSET
lusty grotto
cmon guys
strong forum
i think VDH is easier to play than prot by a mile though
dusky sentinel
Here we go again
main vault
Before that it was so painful lol
cosmic cargo
was the easiest by a mile after it
main vault
I do think DH is easier than War though
signal plover
I accidentally walked into the tower on my BDK and walked out with an appearance
lusty grotto
i'm gonna side with nexii though, cant judge tanking in general on a mage tower challenge that has very specific mechanics and requirements which might not align with what tanking really is
whether or not the challenge was easier for classes for you or not is a completely separate topic
signal plover
I just came in to meme before lunch
cosmic cargo
if you were to judge by it you'd say monk is bad and hard to play
turns out it actually isn't bad or hard to play
strong forum
mage tower is just a tutorial
uneven mason
Yeah I get that, but the basis of "This class isn't easy!!!!!!" and coming off as butt-hurt, yeah sorry I trolled back a bit, but VDH is considerably easier than the other tanks, with both a intuitive rotation and the survivability being performed through that rotation.
primal crypt
Gonna go get my mage tower on my warrior now
lusty grotto
F
strong forum
real challenge would've been if your ilvl was locked
main vault
At least Monk has a ceiling
chrome harbor
I did my monk last, with the maxed out artifact so i dont think its fair to judge that, but variss did seem to die before adds even came out
strong forum
like old challenge modes
chrome harbor
they wanted it to self nerf
primal crypt
Warrior mage tower looks sick
strong forum
so technically i got it with a set ilvl OpieOP
uneven mason
I guess
chrome harbor
hey, theres still people who cant even do the dps ones with argus gear
lusty grotto
press F for @primal crypt
strong forum
yea, they dont deserve it
main vault
Idk how much self healing you seem to think VDH does but its only a small part of their survivability that comes through their rotation
strong forum
if you cant clear mage tower you dont deserve it.
primal crypt
Don't F me
lusty grotto
F
primal crypt
I already got mine LUL
cosmic cargo
dh got a lot easier now though
primal crypt
On release
cosmic cargo
before ST self healing was crap
lusty grotto
😆
strong forum
i wouldnt say that zeppe
primal crypt
Shit was hard 😂
strong forum
DH is comparable to legion, little harder i'd say
cosmic cargo
it was about timing souls for the 15% dr more than healing constantly with them
that small detail added a bit of skill cap
the floor is comparable
but there was more room to be good in legion dh than bfa
main vault
DH floor is higher now than in BFA
strong forum
instead of it being a spender
main vault
Its all about timings now
celest portal
are mannys working
strong forum
yea
main vault
You can autoconsume souls which is not good
strong forum
hated that on MoS vs helya
uneven mason
Mannys work, but they're not doing so hot since our rage spend is very reduced
use em for solo content
strong forum
literally couldnt move otherwise you would absorb them instantly, and had to stand further back
main vault
jumping can also consume
strong forum
yea
cosmic cargo
i hate how far the insta pick up range on souls is
strong forum
also, shitty as spots for infernal strike
cosmic cargo
make it work like monk orbs pls
chrome harbor
seems like a major drawback for the class that always seems to have ants in their pants
cosmic cargo
the worse part is on monk you want to consume orbs by walking
lusty grotto
rofl
cosmic cargo
on dh you don't
uneven mason
Most folks are using Belt and gloves Brakvarosh, or ARchimondes if you want a little bit of that "Legion IP" feeling every 1min 15s
cosmic cargo
but it's easier to do on dh
chrome harbor
with the gloves and UF, would avatar be like TC > dev > TC > dev etc
uneven mason
hmmm
you'd have to do the math
is a devastate + buffed TC going to out damage a shield slam if it comes up?
rather the buff to the TC doing more than shield slam
Also, if you need rage
chrome harbor
well if its multi target it sure is
uneven mason
you'll use SnB procs when they become available
yeah multi target, but then that would be is a Devastate + TC buff, going tou do a Revenge
which I don't think it will
chrome harbor
i dont think id do it for ST, like a boss... but on trash I sure would
eh then screw the gloves all together
chrome harbor
rather just run belt/arch
uneven mason
the buff to TC might tip it over since that is a lot of damage
But yeah multi target
chrome harbor
wait we cant gear swap in M+ can we
chrome harbor
because why would gear management in an RPG be fun...
uneven mason
Arch is a solid cooldown in itself, esp if you combine it with Last stand 😉
chrome harbor
yea, guess its time for that damn thing to finally see the light of day
uneven mason
I mean it comes down to
prisma crane
with how strong LS is now i dont think it's worth overlapping those CDs
uneven mason
We don't have a lot of solid legos heh
Probably not
I was just thinking the fun times of popping that bubble
sly vortex
With Bolster it's pretty absurd
chrome harbor
bolster + last stand is pretty boss on its own
uneven mason
since arch is based on health
strong forum
transmogging for guys also bugged?
sour wigeon
yea
strong forum
like mega FPS drops
timid jay
Disable addons
uneven mason
You're getting spammed by lua errors
chrome harbor
my camera has been shooting off randomly since the prepatch and i have no idea why
timid jay
I'm going with addons on that one as well
uneven mason
Pro tip for mega patches like that
delete all of your addons
start fresh
with 8.0 releases only
nuke your WTF folder as well (you can back it up if yo ufeel like it)
chrome harbor
i need to do a reinstall at somepoint anyway
uneven mason
Because yeah, when they change game version
you really should just do fresh installs
chrome harbor
oh man i just deleted my combatlogs folder the other day, ive never seen a txt doc that big before
main vault
Thats the worst advice lol
main vault
The whole folder. Not just Weak Auras. Hell, just backup your WTF folder. I'm telling you this so you can avoid any issues you might have when updating to the new version of the game and you don't completely lose all of your addon information.
in #announcements at Official WeakAuras Community•Today at 6:05 PM```your game files tend to collect a lot of... lets call it dust. its like cleaning
uneven mason
🙄 Freshly installing addons after a massive version change.
astral crystal
i mean it's not bad advice
strong forum
oh yeah, WQGF has been killed of right
uneven mason
Yes Nexii and that is how you endup with folks who have 5FPS
simple mural
Yeah I've heard fresh install is like 40gb vs the 60 something my current folder is at. Probably worth doing at some point.
astral crystal
but it's not good advice either
it's good advice for people that NEVER update their addons
main vault
^
strong forum
#twitchapp
main vault
That isnt what causes fps drops
astral crystal
but if you're always updating them steadily as they release, you really don't need to erase everything
strong forum
im running my usual 100fps, only when tmog open its fucked
celest jacinth
is the icyveins guide updated to reflect the mannoroths bracers being fairly underwhelming? or am I just adjusting poorly
astral crystal
bracers kinda suck now
timid jay
It should be, marok wrote it for prepatch
strong forum
guide should be up to par
timid jay
and going into legion
strong forum
ah tmog works, now that i have disabled mogit
plain vapor
gloves/belt the way to go
celest jacinth
mmm just tanked an upper 15 was like fuck
all my self sustain is rip
and medivh is like busted haha
plain vapor
dang still only 3 prot war parses on agg lol
timid jay
In general all tanks have gotten a massive self sustain nerf
plain vapor
we almost got argus down last night
12%
scythes are ez pz
(for warriors)
the orbs hit like fuckin trucks now though
celest jacinth
mmm
astral crystal
did you guys kill it before?
plain vapor
yeah
astral crystal
is he harder now?
plain vapor
its mostly people adjusting to the changes
celest jacinth
kinda like how raiding was hard in vanilla
not difficulty, lack of knowledge and poor design
chrome harbor
and spend it on what?
astral crystal
alts
onyx vessel
^
chrome harbor
they got rid of the token for alts didnt they
celest jacinth
nah
olive fiber
Buy a lego token and send to alts
celest jacinth
its back in with a vengeance
you can buy the random class caches
ie, its not random anymore
all 11 are on the vendor
junior ivy
you cant get cutting edge anymore right?
celest jacinth
nah no CE
chrome harbor
oh wow howd i miss thta
junior ivy
can you get titanslayer title?
junior ivy
and mount is 1% drop now?
celest jacinth
not like CE anyway
uneven mason
Mount is 1% drop
plain vapor
mount is 100%
celest jacinth
mount is normal drop
junior ivy
is guldan mount 1% ????????????????????????????????
uneven mason
Oh right
plain vapor
its personal though
strong forum
mount is normal drop until BFA LAUNCH
celest jacinth
^
plain vapor
guldan is 100%
strong forum
100%
uneven mason
until release its 100% derp
junior ivy
cause my guild is doin guldan tonight
strong forum
until bfa launch
olive fiber
Magic damage
celest jacinth
it hit me for 45k twice in a row
cosmic cargo
they're also overtuned
timid jay
Lets just say they didnt really manage to tune the raids well with the stat squish
uneven mason
Stacks are not dropping properly for doggos
main vault
Is Argus still unkillable?
celest jacinth
only reason i say twice is last resort xD
olive fiber
Lmao
timid jay
3 kills on M argus
cosmic cargo
biggest problem on argus i hear is orbs
onyx vessel
blizzard is a 13 billion dollar company btw
olive fiber
I hopped on into an instant disconnect/servers down
main vault
Its was Scythes and rezzes
Scythe was at like 65k dmg, and rez was only rezzing 1 person
astral crystal
wew lad
plain vapor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bQx8F4pn93Ayt1zV#fight=25 heres our lowest percent pull
timid jay
Does the tree ress work now?
plain vapor
it was working all night last night
timid jay
Heard people saying only 1 person got the ress before tree died basically
strong forum
2.1k dps FeelsGoodMan
so i casted 32 times Devastate vs Aggra LFR
and my SS is stronger than TC LUL
lime perch
What leggos do u use now_
strong forum
i was using bracers/gloves
but yea bracers SOOO bad
i absorbed 72k with IP and healed only 27k with bracers
plain vapor
had melee soak the rend both times and range never came in
acoustic sparrow
gloves/belt feels really good right now
main vault
I solo soaked 2 rends @plain vapor
plain vapor
nice
main vault
he is a meme
sick sentinel
check icyveins
lime perch
and for mplus
sick sentinel
marok write a guide
fierce juniper
@astral crystal Does it work for you now?
prisma crane
@main vault solo soaking the rends is just a bad idea though, you're buffing the boss
fierce juniper
oh, no, but if you reload/relog it should probably work
but uh
i realize why its not consistent
astral crystal
okok
fierce juniper
ill update it
main vault
If he doesnt do dmg who cares if he gets buffed
uncut juniper
so... what do we do with t21 now? 2set is pretty useless now
main vault
Wear 4 set
chrome harbor
4 set is broken
main vault
Because its god like
chrome harbor
in a good dway
uncut juniper
what do you mena with "broken"? :D
chrome harbor
it goes past the IP cap
and its values werent nerfed properly with the ilvl squash
so its just like anothe rIP on top of IP when you block
astral crystal
it works now @fierce juniper ty
uncut juniper
i need to sacrifice a lot of ilvl for 4p :x
neat harbor
guys is it just me or does prot feel slow as fuck rn
I feel like my rotation when Im tanking is cut in half lol
plain vapor
anyone have updated ignore pain weakaura
weary notch
neat harbor
lol
just feels slow atm.
rage feels slow, cooldowns feel too long, shield block is kind of fucked up now
the uptime is the issue.
with ignore pain nerfed to 50% not having shield block on at all times just feels bad
onyx vessel
cuz our 2set doesnt work hurts our rage gen alot and makes our cds longer
ember arrow
@neat harbor we didnt have sb up in legion 100% either
kind notch
Do we have new numbers for rating -> percentage for secondary stats?
kind notch
my napkin math is WAY below that
crit - 17.62, haste - 16.65, mast - 11.75, vers - 20.8
Does that check out with anyone else?
wooden lark
thoughts on best talent choice?
main vault
you are scaled as a 120 toon now, and itll go down as you level
weary notch
wooden lark
for 90 are people still taking devastator
fierce juniper
@astral crystal It's updated now. Should work more consistently.
plain vapor
thanks @weary notch
weary notch
yup
kind notch
oic @main vault, didn't realise the scaling moved as you leveled. Do we have any info from blizz to math that?
main vault
Just all the testing on beta
deep wind
What Talents do ppl use?
main vault
neat harbor
@ember arrow we didnt have 100% SB uptime in legion, but we had badass ignore pain to make up for it
now it just feels bad ish
hard to smooth damage enough
deep wind
Is gloves still the best legendarys?
stuck coral
Gloves + Belt is the best for me
neat harbor
I just feel rage starved atm in dungeons tanking
deep wind
For raid or dungeons?
neat harbor
maybe Im feeling the loss of the 2p t21, idk
kind notch
Attack power = STR right?
fierce juniper
Strength gives attack power 1:1
but your actual attack power will always be higher than your strength
because Mastery increases AP
and there other sources of direct AP as well
kind notch
Thank you @fierce juniper I was trying to figure out why mathing out IP didnt work.
neon prawn
I'm using IP now as a straight up addition to SB or SR, depending on damage taken really. It just smooths out damage spikes.
olive fiber
Ya... not sure if I’m going to test out my monk or war first tonight lol
onyx vessel
it feels like blizzard didnt even try and fix shit just had the community beta test this shit
during live
lusty grotto
i mean if people don't report it....
main vault
How can they fix what didnt exist?
lusty grotto
that's the whole point of beta
onyx vessel
i wonder if they will fix our tier
mind you 2set would be busted if it was during avatar
LUL
neon prawn
which is probably why they won't fix
strong forum
welp, just pugged a +15 with a group thats never ran m+ properly
neon prawn
unstoppable force talent does the same thing as the 2pc except with TC
neon prawn
papa bless?
onyx vessel
tc gives like 3 rage
strong forum
👏
lusty grotto
smashed
strong forum
was literally the only one alive in every bossfight
neon prawn
and avatar gives 20 and the talent makes it half the CD
strong forum
xcept vandros was only me and healer after time stop LUL
onyx vessel
i mean they could add anything in 2set
neon prawn
like generic damage buff or something would be nice instead of dead 2 set yeah
uneven mason
I wonder how long the curve of DPS adjusting to the fact that they have to be responsible for their own survival will take
strong forum
why are people so mad about 2p
junior ivy
im down to just needing ONE addon to start wroking before i can play
onyx vessel
cuz it doesnt work
strong forum
so what
uneven mason
cause Nomey, our rage genuration
strong forum
its only gonna matter for 4 more weeks
uneven mason
right
strong forum
"matter"
onyx vessel
4 weeks is a long time
neon prawn
we have a working 2pc set in our talents
uneven mason
Its like salt in the wound
strong forum
idk why people want their 2p so bad for useless content that nobody will care about in 4 weeks
onyx vessel
the fact it does nothing annoys me
uneven mason
"Lololol U thought we'd let you spam Shield slam for 20 seconds, this is BFA, YOU EAT YOUR GCD AND LIKE IT"
TBH I wanted it for leveling
not that leveling takes a long time anyway
strong forum
i knew from the moment on we lost BC 2p isnt gonna work
onyx vessel
atleast a free bonus
uneven mason
its busted
neon prawn
again....there is a working 2pc in talents...........
uneven mason
Kind've Jackal
wise jackal
I forgot to get my Mage Tower artifact skin! Nooooooo
uneven mason
and TC spam just doesn't have the same feel as SS spam
also, what are we going to do with that much rage? gonna stop and stack some IP?
neon prawn
a different button oh no
uneven mason
2p was SS every GCD - it was a massive DPS cooldown :p
neon prawn
no, you take that rage and put it into your rotation as intended.... i have yet to have rage problems with that in mind
onyx vessel
as well as a rage gen which lowered cds
neon prawn
tanks =/= d[s
onyx vessel
increase in surv
neon prawn
DPS
onyx vessel
was kinda busted
neon prawn
taking away busted is correct
strong forum
i used 212 SS and 333 tc
neon prawn
what is the goal with that link? How can I apply it to what I was discussing earlier?
strong forum
why would you care, prepatch is nothing
onyx vessel
cuz 4 weeks
neon prawn
the talent is actually really nice for DPS and AOE threat as well
strong forum
everything you can do now, you could've done before
nothing new to achieve
nothing record breaking
nothing relevant
uneven mason
But yeah the talent is, but overall the 2p my point was, was through the roof amazing for damage
neon prawn
oh I see
onyx vessel
i liked when the co tank was am i take 1st pull
neon prawn
well i can't fix it, nor can anyone in here
onyx vessel
LUL
uneven mason
Although you are correct, with UF I'll probably just grab 20+ mobs with my wifes resto druid in tow and Avatar+TC them all down
Madjay yeah I had a bear in my HC raid that after the first time he was like fuckit, warriors are taking it first
uneven mason
Well your not SUPPOSED to pull off the other tank
neon prawn
aka busted
uneven mason
I have a threat meter that goes nuts if I'm about to yank it off my OT
onyx vessel
yup
neon prawn
drood damage lul
uneven mason
meh, I think druids should do a considerable amount of damage
plain vapor
why does sco hate us
onyx vessel
nah
plain vapor
feelsbadmen
onyx vessel
they a meatsack
uneven mason
I really believe that Sco knows his opinion carries weight, so he intentionally downplayed how good warriors are
lusty grotto
and the playstyle changes considerably with it
uneven mason
so we get buffedin 8.1 instead of nerfed
olive fiber
Lmao
uneven mason
😉
novel hill
guys, the tier 21 2-pc bonus has no effect for us?
uneven mason
yeah Mumen
novel hill
wow...
uneven mason
the 4p is amazingly OP tho
He isn't wrong no
I think he's wrong about Warriors
but then again
its an opinion piece
lusty grotto
right
onyx vessel
atleast we arent last
strong forum
for salt
verbal socket
Sco gets us buffed this time instead of nerfed?
All hail lord Sco
Only if this happens
onyx vessel
warriors do need a buff
uneven mason
wat
old zephyr
anyone has a good WA for IP that i could blatantly steal ?
uneven mason
onyx vessel
^
uneven mason
verbal socket
It’s not stealing if they link it to you 🤬
uneven mason
what part of warriors ne4eds a buffin madjay
uneven mason
welcome to how its been literally since vanilla?
sick sentinel
is jeweled signet a legit damage increase now, also does it look like it could remain that to 120?
uneven mason
Think of any expansion, can you think of one that we swapped talents on a regular basis situationally?
we didn't for all of legion
the only time we swap talents is when they nerf the one everyone uses
chrome harbor
Rip HR
uneven mason
exactly
uneven mason
and if the boss frenzied you'd get crushed on the next auto attack cause some dumb rogue had gotten in front and gave him parry haste
onyx vessel
rogtards
uneven mason
Yeah Warlords of Draenor should really have been renamed "F Warriors, gimmie some green"
we got better in HFC
but HM to BRF
onyx vessel
yup
onyx vessel
i dont see any reason to use punish
onyx vessel
when would that happen
deep wind
Anyone made wa for BFA?
uneven mason
deep wind
the pins is only block wa tho?
kind notch
Wowhead says IP is calculated at "[(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)]"
When I'm naked my STR is 365 and my AP bonus from mastery is 8.00.
My math shows [(0+365*3.5)+(1+0)] = 1277.5.
Mousing over the skill shows 1389, a difference of 111.5.
ANyone know where I'm getting my math wrong?
kind notch
Per Marok anhour ago , "Strength gives attack power 1:1"
strong forum
î have 1208 strength but 1533 AP
fickle geyser
How do i survive argus nowdays
strong forum
when im naked i have 403 strength and 435 AP
kind notch
nomeratur, Master adds to AP. Naked mastery gives 8%. 403*1.08 = 435.24
fickle geyser
4th scythe 1shotted me through SW demo sb
strong forum
you were asking if your math is wrong
kind notch
OH, sorry I was doing 365*1.08,m forgot to add that part
strong forum
so apparently block is bugged
or rather the tooltip
since my tooltip displays i reduce incoming dmg by 1020%
which is my block value
sharp dew
Just read a few people saying we’re getting buffed or is that a meme
strong forum
we did get buffed recently ( saturday )
dunno if one is coming again, lemme check
nothing new no
sharp dew
Kk ty
fresh dragon
so up to now we are quite nerfed.....
signal plover
Wot
fresh dragon
we are back to healers depency. 3 sec without healing and we are death
welcome back WoD
fresh dragon
g.g..... i've to look for the DK discord..
lusty grotto
lol
if you think warriors are nerfed
and are going to DK discord, be prepared to shit your pants
fresh dragon
they are nerfed in terms that
they were GODS
and now are DEMIGODS
we are nerfed in terms that we were shit and now we are
lusty grotto
uh huh
fresh dragon
demishit
sick sentinel
@fierce juniper does your Weak auras for bolster/block work if I change it to a ProgressBar?
fierce juniper
no idea
sharp dew
Lmfao @fresh dragon
fresh dragon
im depressed...
kind notch
I mean if you are going to say whatever isn't the best is shit and you need to hop to a new class, then yeah, prot warr isnn't for you.
sharp dew
Don’t be
fierce juniper
actually almost definitely not
kind notch
thats's not to say we are bad tho.
lusty grotto
no need to be defensive, he's very obviously trolling
fresh dragon
Winflakes i play warrior till 2005 :V
strong forum
since*
fresh dragon
since..
sharp dew
Gods to demigods, shit to demishit lmfao
kind notch
ANd i've played since 2006. and?
fresh dragon
and i like the legion warrior....
lusty grotto
i've played since vanilla :\
sick sentinel
@fierce juniper how hard would it be if I asked you for a one equal but with a progress bar? wink wink
fresh dragon
goes back to NO SELFHEALING means be healer dependent
lusty grotto
just like every other tank
fresh dragon
and a progress guild bench warrior
if they can have a DK that can selfsustain itself
sharp dew
Not sure if troll
fresh dragon
LIKE AS WoD