#protection
tender imp
junior igloo
I swapped, it's still not on my bars π¦
red cave
so, if you are doing aoe / dungeons, whats the point of having the gloves on if you dont spec devastator? how do i use the proc on the gloves?
vestal palm
I relogged and hat the spell
red cave
but i could spec devastator, and activate the gloves
tender imp
it doesnt work
undone sun
It's obsolete
clear nimbus
If I don't have belt or glove legendary, need buy in priority belt now ?
tender imp
ye belt is biggest one
clear nimbus
Ok thx, I need farm essenc for this !
exotic rapids
I have to gloves on, bot specced into devestator but buff of the gloves is up
bug?
undone sun
That's not new
clear nimbus
@timid jay are you serious ? Oo
timid jay
yup
undone sun
Yes
vivid orchid
yes
clear nimbus
Oh thx π
sharp dew
Prot feels really good on live even with all the magic dmg that's in legion that wont be in bfa
undone sun
No
sharp dew
opposite
vivid orchid
if it gave rage still, but no
clear nimbus
Best combo leg is Belt with armband ?
noble solar
devastate takes 1 GCD, and if you can take 3 auto attacks in a time period then it saves your 3 GCD
can someone explain to me how im wrong?
undone sun
You won't always be pressing devastate
Bv is a much bigger gain than devastator is
Devastator doesn't gen rage anymore
It's not all about gcd
random cliff
So seeing as T21 doesnt work, what do you do as prot now gear-wise?
swift willow
The thing about talents or legendaries is that choosing one means you're not taking the others. So the question isn't "Is it bad ?" but "Is it worse than the other options ?"
tender imp
u still use t21
undone sun
4pc is strong
vivid orchid
4pc
tender imp
because the 4p is overtuned
random cliff
thought so
undone sun
Just sucks because there are literally rows where it's the default option because the other two are bad @swift willow
Ravager, never surrender nice memes
tender imp
ravager has been a dead talent since they introduced it in mop (?) i really dont get blizz
swift willow
I know dude :/
vivid orchid
yeah feels like they ran out of time on prot warriors tbh
is what it felt like all alpha/beta
hot locust
Ravager was a pretty poggers damage in HFC :^)
bold peak
prot 2p is dead ?
timid jay
yup
bold peak
shame π¦ was fun while it lasted
tight tree
Goint to bring my 965 prot to mythic antorus this weekend. Will dogs hurt me? How it is tuned atm?
hot locust
Hopefully by the weekend it's a bit better tuned!
hot locust
I think a big reason is guilds cancelling raid because of the servers though.
hot locust
Yeah they like to kill everyone now.
sick sentinel
sorry actualy 4stacks not 6
fierce juniper
I made a WeakAura that displays the remaining duration of Shield Block / Last Stand (if you have Bolster) on a single icon.
hasty sapphire
is the priotity still the same? SS>TC>Rev>Dev? and is it the same while Avatar is up? what if Avatar is up and i have BV, SS and TC ready?
fierce juniper
It's SS>TC>Rev (free only)>Dev
If you have Avatar up the priority doesn't change.
It does change if you're going for damage. TC>SS in that case.
Check out the guide in the pins for a more in-depth explanation
hasty sapphire
thank you
fair root
that weak aura for block only shows up for SB for me, not for LS
wild hamlet
Is there a best legendary to buy with my 1000 waking essence if I don't have any?
other than the soul of the battlelord
fierce juniper
@fair root Are you using Bolster?
timid jay
I'd say belt Wolf
fair root
of course. what even kinda question is that :p
fierce juniper
does just nothing show when you hit LS?
fair root
yea, but its working after swaping spec then back, iduno, works now
hot locust
Were you in combat one time and not another?
Might have part of the WA group set to only load in combat.
errant ledge
Does anyone have a working ignore pain weak aura for pre patch & bfa?
fierce juniper
@hot locust there's only one aura
hot locust
Nevermind then :^)
copper cedar
Do we have a stat oder for damage?
wild hamlet
@timid jay Is it belt overall or will belt be good for bfa leveling?
hot locust
Nothing concrete yet but if I took a stab it'd be crit>haste>mast/vers
I can see haste being ahead of crit though since rage gain means more revenge instead of devastate.
carmine cobalt
For lvling i might even go with bowling ball and shoulders
main trail
but we want haste generally for damage smoothing?
fierce juniper
For survivability purposes, yeah
hot locust
Defensively crit is pretty much our worst stat.
carmine cobalt
Haste for loverig cd on SB
copper cedar
That is mostly due to the loss of BC?
hot locust
Yup
carmine cobalt
And others too
next goblet
hmmm i wonder how this is gonna be
carmine cobalt
But will see later how its going to be
copper cedar
So with crit bring strong (but unreliable) for surv and good for damage, it is quite an acceptable stat now
next goblet
so for prepatch what are the 'BiS' leggos
carmine cobalt
Belt gloves
next goblet
ok
vestal palm
but glaoves only if u take devastator afaik?
hot locust
Hard to say it's acceptable on progress, on farm yeah I'd take crit all day @copper cedar
Haste/Mast or Hast/Vers are very likely still the best 2 for progression raiding.
copper cedar
Well, compared to Legion...
hot locust
I mean it's only any better because we lost battle cry.
carmine cobalt
Even without devestator gloves are stiΔΊl bis if i emember correctly. Correct me if i'm wrong ^^
copper cedar
The defensive part is unrelated to BC
hot locust
The defensive part is also unreliable.
copper cedar
Sure, still stronger than in Legion? I mean, I said acceptable, Not desireable
hot locust
What has changed defensively for crit?
hot locust
You're on the right track yeah
You get more parry
What does parry do for us though.
hot locust
__>
hot locust
Parry Hastening hasn't been a thing in a long time.
and was never a player mechanic, only NPC
next goblet
oh lol whoops
i knew about it on NPCs.. always thought it did for players as well.. also i was definitely younger and a waaaaay more inexperienced tank then compared to what i am now
hot locust
I am incorrect apparently after looking it up.
Parry Haste is still a thing for player parry.
timid jay
Even with parry haste I would assume the rage gain isnt all that significant
And the revenge comment is purely for dps
since revenge and devastate has the same chance to reset SS
Parry is just way too unreliable to count on as a damage reduction
Its really good for overall damage reduction over an entire encounter, but most of the time its the tank abilities that will kill a tank
next goblet
but could the parry haste actually benefit if you happened to go devastator over BV? idk why you would go dev over BV right now but maybe some people just prefer that playstyle
hot locust
I still don't think that's enough to warrant crit as a defensive stat, even if you want to run a talent that's worse performance-wise.
timid jay
If you reach really high crit maybe
But why not stack haste at that point
Since its way stronger defensively
next goblet
true
so weird actually hitting devastate now
those indom/ravager people wont have an issue tho
lol
junior igloo
@next goblet
Devastator is incredibly behind BV.
FWIW this is what we did when we compared them:
- we assumed that Devastator doesn't replace Devastate (that is, you get the Devastator effect on your autoattacks and keep Devastate)
- we assumed that every reset from Devastator gives you a full extra Shield Slam (in reality, the Shield Slam cooldown might be half-way through, or even already coming off CD and SS would be your next ability anyway)
It was still not even close.
waxen talon
i really cant tell if i feel nerfed or not
intim, baseline shockwave + new utility tier is amazing
junior igloo
@timid jay
Bold statement π
timid jay
?
junior igloo
I wouldn't say one stat is way stronger than another.
next goblet
no idea what FWIW stands for BUUUT i've been keeping tabs in here for a while to ensure i play my main tank correctly, thanks for clarification tho @junior igloo
junior igloo
Haste is good (in what it does), but weak (numbers wise).
Crit is bad, but strong.
Vers and mastery something in between
For what it's worth
hot locust
That's it... I'm stacking vers like the start of EN again. π‘
rugged mauve
Stack Vers + Into the Fray talent for that sweet 5% haste boost.... (only works in raids not 5mans)
next goblet
so if we were on magic fights.. would indom be better than bolster? or bolster still kind due to that extra 1min less on Last stand and having AM further reduce its CD
soft kindle
tight tree
I was pressing swipe all legion, will press devastate all BfA π€£ or tiger palm
untold cape
So errrr, does @mouseover not work for Intercept anymore? or has something changed?
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead]Intercept; Intercept Just comes up as invalid target
clicking and using the same macro works, which is fine
exotic rapids
what das bv mean?
void iris
cant get the WA for shield block since wago is ded
timid jay
booming voice
waxen talon
i really hate the fact they removed RFDT
fierce juniper
@untold cape if you just want a mousover macro just do /cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead]Intercept
if you want it to intercept your target if you dont have a mouseover target do /cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead][@target]Intercept
untold cape
Thanks @fierce juniper The old macro i pasted, worked just fine before pre-patch :/
Well, seems saving the macro (closing game, reopening) got my old macro working fine.
no need for @target condition, ; works fine
rocky tiger
So this is feeling weird and feel free to correct me, but it looks like demo shout is rotational now and last stand should be used to fill gaps in shield block?
assuming bolster/booming voice
old zephyr
You are not wrong =)
rocky tiger
Ferk. Feels weird to play. I'm so used to last stand being one of the 'button to end all buttons' for oh shit moments
old zephyr
Beeing on the gcd, it Doesn't work as Well for those moments
ionic fern
Question..does the 100% block you get from Bolster count as AM in AM binary checks?
fresh dragon
yo! question. where can i found a discord to ask help me fix lua errors on 1 addon?
does it exist?
rocky tiger
It triggers the t21 4pc so I'd assume so but better for someone with more technical knowledge to give a firm answer
old zephyr
I'd say no Since Shield wall and Doesn't and nelth fury didn't but don't take that for absolute truth
rocky tiger
Looking at my stat sheet it does bring up block to 139% when used
where nelths fury didn't
I suppose an easy way to find out would be to go do nelths lair and just use last stand, see if Sunder applies
fresh dragon
no help? Γ§_Γ§
rocky tiger
Sorry, no idea Takkero
fresh dragon
π¦
rocky tiger
I know my weakauras are broken on my warriors but I cbf looking into it today
smoky oak
What addon
tawny sphinx
2 set bonus for prot aint working now? Since No battle cry?
I dont know why they scored so low, i think prot warr is fine. Defensives alot stronger, aoe dmg better etc. Its just the healing, not that good surviveing alone, but its def not bad.
upper spoke
how can i get around these broken addons?
arctic sedge
The tank raiding dummy, guys, in the order hall. Don't try to do it. It almost insta kills you.
rocky tiger
hm, good point about battle cry. They should have modified the set to use avatar or something
upper spoke
id prefer not to disable everything. should i just deactivate everything that isnt version 8.0?
tawny sphinx
@arctic sedge I did the first time i logged in, its OP xDD
rocky tiger
Aussie
west vigil
aight
arctic sedge
It's really strong yeah lmao.
west vigil
thought i found my wotlk guildmate :'(
arctic sedge
think my highest is 2 stacks.
before i got obliterated
compared to my 200 stacks before bfa prepatch.
rocky tiger
bwahahaha wow, that hurt
rocky tiger
longest fight duration for me is 30 seconds
@west vigil I did raid in wrath but I was on an oceanic server so ya know
gaunt coyote
Does tier work with avatar?
amber siren
Nope
gaunt coyote
Why??? bliz
amber siren
Probably just an oversight, it won't matter in 3 3-4 weeks
sick sentinel
hi @everyone, is there any protwarri with the best build for mythic raiding and can link it to me ?
hot locust
amber siren
Not a great idea to try and ping everyone in the warrior discord
And yeah check the pins up top
tawny sphinx
@Norbert/Babylon#9619 https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents
arctic sedge
so thunderclap slow effect lasts for 10 seconds now
amber siren
Yeah ideally someone else in your party will have a stronger slow, if not and you need it you'll have to use DR
hot locust
Nah, Nightborne Arcane Pulse baby.
amber siren
π€’
lyric vigil
eager hedge
Didnt we have Avatar, or am i missing something here?
Because Unstoppable Force says if i use avatar, my TC becomes beast, but i dont have avatar
amber siren
Spec out and in to prot
buoyant zinc
Zaniun, i cant find it too
amber siren
If you respec back into prot it'll be fixed
carmine cobalt
Change spec to fury or arms and then back to prot
coral dew
amber siren
The pvp talent? What's wrong with it?
merry cave
waxen talon
4pce seems to work fine for me
it even went beyond the ignore pain cap of like
20% max hp
compact sigil
Well they made it pretty easy to get leggos now lol. Have all the prot ones
clear perch
whats the way to go atm ? 4 piece seems to be strong (just by reading) and 2 piece useless ....:F
clear perch
was thinkin too
waxen talon
but tbh 4tier is really good with new ignore pain
but like im fixated on it being useless for leveling anwyay
clear perch
would be 5 ilvl in my stand
waxen talon
i just had a blood dk complaining about warriors having too much utility
waxen talon
conisdering u dont press ignore pain anywhere near as much now
clear perch
nothin important on gcd
waxen talon
i would argue p4 is really good
and it bypasses the cap
well tbh they had Deathstrike on Gcd for a decade
only difference from it and ignore pain is the fact our ignore pain does no damge and less effective
clear perch
doesnt rly bother
amount of dmg absorbed is ~ 90% less
thats the difference
having 1,2 - 1,6m < hps on bigger pulls im m+ 20<
waxen talon
its not like Dks get 40k absorb from 1 random ds.
clear perch
now its just smoothin dmg and lit no heal
waxen talon
how it always meant to be
waxen talon
50% Is better than 90%
cuz ur onna hvae it for longer
its just not gonna save ur ass when u use it at 10% anymore
clear perch
but every ohshit cd with minor cd is on gcd
you cant charge stun demoshout and go for threat if you starting on a trashpack
waxen talon
ye takes 2gcd to demo shout into ignore pain
waxen talon
ignore pain should do damge imo
clear perch
just not be on gcd
strong forum
LUL
Im ignoring my pain so hard that you get inflicted by it
Reflect bois here we go
waxen talon
idk just make it a threat shout then
its the fact ur spending 3 gcds doing no damge
its warcrat not emotecrat
craft*
late minnow
Will they change the 2p setbonus, or we just have to live with a non-functioning one until we change our gear in BFA?
late minnow
It's not legacy just yet, or i don't think it is
waxen talon
they should disable as soo nas game launches
the fact a 2set could possibly be bis in first tier
cuz no new set bonuses
sounds dumb as
fuck
late minnow
i'm not saying it should work in BFA , but I would like to have a useable bonus in the next 3 weeks
waxen talon
if anything instantly shut them down when they it to legendary effects imo
but no, theres no way theyre going to change a set bonus
same rule for HFC one
shield barrier > ignore pain
more or less just a name + number change and they didnt even bring set bonus over to new one
cinder bridge
haven't gotten around to play anything yet, what are ppls impressions of prot?
waxen talon
finally got utility
and i cant get used to Removal of RFDT and clunky rotation
like what is devaste even doing on my bars π¦
blazing dirge
helping the fact devastator is lackluster
cinder bridge
but are you having any fun/feeling at least somewhat powerful etc?
waxen talon
Regardless what u play from legion>Bfa
vestal palm
it feels like playing in slowmo
waxen talon
ur gonna feel nerfed
blazing dirge
IP on GCD still feels weird. Otherwise it's fun. Pulls feel slow to me with DS/etc
waxen talon
we got more stuff on the bars
vestal palm
and every fucking spell u wanna hit is on the gcd -.-
waxen talon
im also a bit concerned on our rage in general
blazing dirge
Cool idea. But we're tanks... makes me cry
blazing dirge
Right?! Rage caps so easily
waxen talon
well
cinder bridge
even on single target?
waxen talon
rage just feels odd and different
i feel like rage generation on ST is just fine
but
ur like
blazing dirge
I'm capping hard in m+ with ST bosses
vestal palm
my rage bar is full or empty - nothing in between
blazing dirge
Just use 4pc π
waxen talon
is annyoing suddenly
i really really really
dont like revenge in our rotation RN
with having devaste on the bar too it feels so dumb
of all the things they could atleast give us good old heroic strike back
strong forum
You will get used to the new prot
strong forum
Yes revenge is meh
waxen talon
need something to spam mash
strong forum
Play lame fury then
rustic flower
Pretty sure most tank self healing has been cut way down
strong forum
We don't have any self-healing
fresh dragon
but do they works???
waxen talon
its like soloing elites on argus has gone from
strong forum
Yes until 115
waxen talon
u can do it asleep
to u cant overpull
solution: give us a heroic strike costing 10 rage healing us for 1% hp
that u can spam mash off gcd
fresh dragon
ignore pain shield is literally disappeared...
primal crypt
LUL
waxen talon
its like 20% of ur hp
primal crypt
Everyone so butt hurt right now
strong forum
It's no longer supposed to be our main midigation, block is. It's just a rage dump with defensive use
strong forum
Yea because they didn't play beta
Everything we went through months ago they now go through
waxen talon
ignore pain was never our main mitigation
strong forum
Yea right
waxen talon
facepalm
cinder bridge
so how does the damage feel, with cds etc?
strong forum
Dmg is good
waxen talon
exepect from the ramp up time of pressing all ur cds
cinder bridge
and incoming damage?
fresh dragon
i have to spam DEVASTATE like an idiot
strong forum
"all your CDs" it's ust 1
waxen talon
is dumb
fresh dragon
is there a macro for autoclicking DEVASTATE? π
waxen talon
idk i didnt go vengeance
strong forum
You don't spam devastate, you will rarely have time to besides in ST
cinder bridge
anyone done high keys?
waxen talon
you mean 90% of all the time ur tanking
strong forum
If you macro devastate you will fuck yours over
cinder bridge
I'm mainly doing m+
strong forum
What tf
fresh dragon
my talent tree is
strong forum
You mean TC bruv
fresh dragon
1-2-2-3-2-1-1
waxen talon
well
strong forum
Yea that's the right spec
waxen talon
its a avatar talent
making avatar better
by making clap better
i would clal that a avatar talent not tclap
fresh dragon
90 sec cd avatar
strong forum
Not even
waxen talon
anger management
strong forum
You can get it down to 50sec
strong forum
Bad
waxen talon
u can press ip like every other sec
strong forum
Very bad
waxen talon
and then u can get a cd off
cinder bridge
dunno if I want to play warrior or dh for bfa. tanking-wise dh is way ahead right now for m+ but I also dps a lot and warr is looking much better in the fun department there
decisions...
main vault
Well noone is going to make it for you
cinder bridge
na just want some impressions
main vault
You will end up quitting if you play dh
strong forum
I'm warri all the way baby
cinder bridge
I'm speaking about fun btw, vdh is just more fun to play imo
waxen talon
"warri all the way" yet complains about being the tank class with no heals.
main vault
Then play it
cinder bridge
it also helps that it's looking stronger than prot for m+ but that's w/e
cinder bridge
but warr dps looks much more fun than havoc
waxen talon
u clearly did a few weeks ago.
waxen talon
yeaaa sureee..
fresh dragon
im testing on dummy target
waxen talon
u never get to press it for a rage cost
fresh dragon
and never proc
strong forum
You have to get hit for it to proc
fresh dragon
dumb dummy!
red sun
fresh dragon
so its a spam of TC SL IP
waxen talon
exepect from GCDa and no RFDT
its quite decent
yea exactly
ur keyboard finger is like
111111
FFFFF
2222
1111
its not very interesting
strong forum
Like every class
waxen talon
did u even play when we had heroic strike
strong forum
Ofc
waxen talon
well spammin 3 keys is more engagin then slowly poking one
Ravager is good for testing revenge procs
:d
cosmic cargo
it's too huge of a dps loss
waxen talon
"testng"
yea
ravager is dumb and shit
but it makes ur revenge proc if ur wondering if it still works π
strong forum
Once you get haste you will find yourself not having enough time spamming TC and something between TC procs
slate remnant
anyone else who can confirm; a) thunderfury procs on bossed after ilvlsquish
and b) Heroic leap makes bosses skip tank marked abilities again
waxen talon
doesnt sound realistic
slate remnant
like Cenarius spear
waxen talon
squish affects numbers
slate remnant
oh man
dreamy berry
ip on gcd, kill me fack
uneven mason
And this is why we should play on the PTR
so we get acclimated to wearing balsawood thongs before they're forced upon us
dreamy berry
I knew it would be, but I didnβt know it would feel so slow and bad
dreamy berry
I like that we got devastate back as a useful talent
neon prawn
vanilla GCD tho
dreamy berry
Ability *
waxen talon
everytime i play on vanilla i always have 10000 gcds avaiblle unless taking massive spanking
dreamy berry
But they should make it more interesting like you gain 2 rage or something like that
strong forum
Well you get 2 rage per AA anyway
waxen talon
devaste gives rage in the way of resettin shield slma
"problem" is
everything does that
uneven mason
That is why Devastate is at the bottom of your priority list
dreamy berry
Actually enjoyed tmog runs today, got to practice rotation on big bosses π
waxen talon
wow triggers me a bit rn
dreamy berry
They donβt die in 1 hit
waxen talon
even cd on heroic strike i find really annyoin
strong forum
Well then warri isn't for you
chrome harbor
I went pugging into m+ since all my guildies were messing around with new specs.... itβs definitely interesting. I miss dem bracers heals
strong forum
On beta?
chrome harbor
Nah live
strong forum
So just use bracers? Or what's the deal, less rage?
chrome harbor
Yea they arenβt really worth it anymore
gray moon
belt/legs OP
strong forum
Legs? Wha
neon prawn
avatar granting 20 rage is awesome
chrome harbor
Was using belt/gloves, but itβs also a good idea to get used to not using bracers atm
waxen talon
yea makes avatar not feel stupid to pres
strong forum
I was thinking more like bracers sephuz to be nice tbh
green forge
I'm still going belt/gloves with BV/AM. rage generation sucks but at least demo is up often enough
chrome harbor
@green forge yea I think thatβs what a lot of ppl are saying atm
strong forum
Why use gloves though, in m+
neon prawn
the 2 set bonus from antorus still reads "battle cry" lol
strong forum
Yea
chrome harbor
Well it effects TC still, and with UF itβs fun to get mega claps
strong forum
Yeah but actually getting the procs
Is very rare
Ah no it was AA not devastate
Or was it, can't remember
waxen talon
gloves are so meh unless devastor can work for now, with it.
strong forum
You get the proc with devastate right?
uneven mason
Yes
uneven mason
So, with how long the CD is on SS right now, gloves are still solid.
steep pilot
Yo, anyone else missing avatar from their spellbook? Im mega confused atm
green forge
yeah I might actually dump the gloves now that you mention that
old elk
Respect
uneven mason
NEED IT
So yeah, swap to arms or fury and then back
it'll "Fix" your missing spells
neon prawn
the avatar fix is in the pins
uneven mason
it is
steep pilot
Ah, thanks guys
chrome harbor
Though I wouldnβt mind messing around with sephuz
strong forum
Yeah, gonna use it for leveling
waxen talon
go level as arms and bladestorm all the way
prot in open world is only fun cuz unkillable + mass pull
chrome harbor
Arms is my pvp spec anyway so I plan on leveling as that with prot spec on for gear
robust bronze
Just tanked a +15 fine with 246 gear, but i forgot to put devistaor on my bars rip
strong forum
Well that should still be giga easy
robust bronze
some deadtime tho
waxen talon
sounds like cute boss fights tho
chrome harbor
I might try tanking some without the 4pc later for a better idea, I felt like that helped a lot more then it shiuld
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze Ye, prot is fine. I did a +20 today. But if the healer dies, you can not solo the boss like in legion π¦
cold wren
what if you use bracers?
robust bronze
@tawny sphinx i see, did you use bracers and 4set?
cold wren
and 4 set
green forge
@robust bronze did half a wing of LFR last night before I realized I forgot to put it on my bars lol
uneven mason
Our rage income is just too low to make bracers the self sustain they were
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze No, i used 2 set in legion. But just highest ilvl equ now. I used gloves and belt.
midnight yacht
has demo shout got a new spell id ? cant seem to get my weak aura working for that specific spell
waxen talon
while u could just spam IP off gcd in the past
uneven mason
check wowhead Nkechi
midnight yacht
i can see spell ids in game but still wont load
tawny sphinx
@robust bronze So, i did not use any set piece at all.
waxen talon
i still find it depressing we have no loveable ragedump
but i guess they target is to not have rage that needs dumping in the same was way as in the past.
their*
robust bronze
To be fair, do we even benfit from 2-set T21 anymore, we dont have battlecry
strong forum
No we don't
chrome harbor
gotta have the 2pc to get the 4pc though
robust bronze
true enought, but is 4-set so good?
waxen talon
yes
it goes beyond IP cap
and u use IP so rarely it stacks so high
rn its good
in the past it was very very meh.
sick sentinel
Anyone else getting destroyed by the sparring partners? x_X
waxen talon
yea
dont attack big one
killed m in 3 hits
probably tuned for BFA gear already
considering theyre skull level
robust bronze
but with 4pc i cant have 2pc fortitude of the nightborne active rip
tawny sphinx
@waxen talon But when i play prot i go for dmg/logging/threat>healing, but if u low geared u should use 4 set. The best thing is to try yourself and see what u prefer
cinder bridge
@tawny sphinx how smooth was incoming damage, your damage and how did it feel utility-wise?
uneven mason
Patch 8.1 "Devastate has been removed, auto attacks have a 15% chance to reset the cooldown on shield slam. NEW ABILITY - Heroic Strike: Deal @t7% additional damage on your next swing and has a additional 15% chance to reset the CD on Shield Slam, 15 rage" Devastator replaced with "Ultimatum: Shield Slam critical strikes have a chance to make Heroic Strike Generate 10 rage, Heroic no longer costs rage"
uneven mason
No
but I figured
I'd make ya'll
feel fuzzy for a moment
then have the crushing despair of never seeing her again flood in like a fastball to your line drive.
stoic parrot
umm... how do i tank dogs?
tawny sphinx
@cinder bridge I think that the defensives feels alot stronger, but u do not heal at all. You're life depends on the healer tbh. Dmg is good, i think that aoe threat/dmg are alot better now.
waxen talon
tank and spank more or less
uneven mason
You stand there and get beat in the face with magic damage
blockable
magic
damage
waxen talon
hes probably doing normal so doesnt matter π
mellow yacht
what about stacks?
waxen talon
just stand there and look pretty
cinder bridge
@tawny sphinx thanks, I wonder how self-sufficient vdh/bdks are now after all self-healing has been nerfed
uneven mason
hope RNGesus likes you so they reset
cinder bridge
and how big of a deal self-healing will be
stoic parrot
i died with last stand up taking 30k ticks of fire damage from the DoT
cosmic cargo
dogs are way overturned
uneven mason
THey always have been
cosmic cargo
like WAYYY overturned
stoic parrot
im in heroic
cosmic cargo
no they werent
waxen talon
that sounds odd
uneven mason
yeah if you get dicked by the RNG and stacks don't drop
you might have to start tank swapping
uneven mason
you could do that too
waxen talon
u kite boss for 1sec or w/E it takes then
robust bronze
Fel rush in blackrook also ticks for like 20k
uneven mason
Don't stand in it
tawny sphinx
@cinder bridge But i did dht, have not tried MoS or first boss in NL today. I wonder how strong spell reflect is. Since prot warr was one of the strongest on magic dmg taken.
waxen talon
well u shouldnt go more than 1set of stacks
he does a channel and it just disappears doing it
astral crystal
prince thaledris or w/e in dire maul is broken as well, his whirlwind is instant and does 6k dmg
for those leveling
waxen talon
lmao
waxen talon
mythic leveling
lucid cloak
^knobjockey
waxen talon
kite boss
waxen talon
xd
cosmic cargo
the pint is the dot when at max stacks
uneven mason
Prince Thaledris was always a nasty fight :p
astral crystal
you guys get a chance to try out timewalking after it was "fixed" on beta?
it's so bad
stoic parrot
stacks were at like 4-5, boss was about to reset stacks.
waxen talon
Could imagine no legnedaries + artifact in TW
cinder bridge
how ambitious is it to use a boost on a 100 character x)
cinder bridge
are they still up?
cinder bridge
yeah I guess
oh, for those who lvled on beta, how long until you start replacing gear? wanna know if it's worth investing some time in the prepatch to gear up
waxen talon
in the past it was like
cinder bridge
obviously it's faster to have better gear/some leggos but
waxen talon
last 10-20% Of leveling to start replacing xD
as in the 4th area of broken shore
wouldnt surprise me if they kept same system
steady cedar
at 240+ i was replacing gear around 2 lvls in. The azerite gear is an autoreplace
275+ shoulders, helm, chest
steady cedar
and then the random drop sets are decent, but you wont replace gear with them until around 116-120
gray moon
I ran m+ 18~ last night on my prot warrior, paladin, and guardian druid
steady cedar
paladins feel awesome
gray moon
Warrior seemed the best, with paladin afterwards.. druid was terrrrible
cinder bridge
in terms of fun or effectiveness?
gray moon
Effectiveness... I was getting absolutely trucked, self healing sucked, and my party pulled threat off of me every pull
Guardians are hurting right now it feels like
steady cedar
our guardian was able to get to 70k hp already lol
waxen talon
about time
cinder bridge
at 120 lots of high profile tanks are favoring bears
gray moon
Yea because of their Azerite traits
cinder bridge
but dreadful to play
gray moon
And uptime on AM
valid gorge
upside: a monkey can play guardian druid
uneven mason
Druids have been like that nearly all of Legion tho Applications
valid gorge
no more people required
uneven mason
Like, I had to sit on my thumb as fury half the time because I could rip aggro from our Guardian tanks
that 7m+ burst opener
Guardian druid would be doing like 800k at 960ilvl
and don't even get me started on co tanking with one as a prot warrior
gray moon
Idk I never had threat issues prior to prepatch on my druid - 980 dps and I was only 955 ilvl on druid
uneven mason
Couldn't even use my 2p when I wasn't tanking
waxen talon
damge is1 thing
the fact a bear is just a punching bag who hardly does anything to react to stuff
just made it stupid
like we had to handle certain mechanics a druid would hardly even notice
uneven mason
Guardian (feral back then) has been EXACTLY that since TBC
waxen talon
i have nothing against easier classes
but the fact its like
lets go mythic easy mode tanking annoys me a bit
uneven mason
Bear tank = Stands there and just soaks up healer mana, but doesn't die cuase of massive HP
valid gorge
they easiest playstyle should never be the best playstyle, since then it becomes the only playstyle
waxen talon
i just press for the lols
uneven mason
Well IF does make a substantial difference
they have only around 39% armor before IF
jumps quite a bit with one stack
waxen talon
still we go from a average hit to hit us 100%
to like 40%
its obviously not that simple
cuz rng roulette
gray moon
Mythic Helya in Maw was fun though, her abilities weren't tuned properly - the green puddle dispel thing hits for 50k LOL
waxen talon
but the fact u guarantee a atlast 30-40% is insane
uneven mason
whats the affixes this week?
uneven mason
heh, Helya has always been horrible on Tyrannical
waxen talon
nah spellreflect wrecks them
chrome harbor
like a japanese school girl I loath them
waxen talon
but like if ur dps couldnt keep up
targets wrong
so much stuff goign on in p1
then p2 is like
just interupt order
chrome harbor
ew
waxen talon
suddenly the fight would make sense on a difficult level
chrome harbor
yea but I like getting the hard part over with first
uneven mason
Belt + Gloves
Pants, and I had the same goofy thought
really only gives you one charge per fight
eager hedge
Seems worth on stuff like dogs
uneven mason
one charge
you'll never cap charages on block
so that 3rd charge is used on pull and then enver again
Spell reflect
yeah thats a niche fight
the extra charge on SR might ocme in handy
chrome harbor
hows Archimone's whatever now that str= AR
uneven mason
I could think that it would be worthwhile
since the absorb is a minor CD
and we're all about CDs
chrome harbor
yea, might have to paly with that
uneven mason
the str to armor ratio is fairly low iirc
45% translates into a little more mitigation
which is why str isn't our "top" 2ndary
chrome harbor
no? I thought in BfA ilvl was top dawg because of that
neon prawn
maybe it'll be different at 120 w/o leggos?
since the amount of secondary you get in bfa is way lower since the azerite gear
chrome harbor
idk about that, having less of a stat would increase it's weight usually
strong forum
ilvl is our top stat in bfa
chrome harbor
/summon math people
faint wasp
How do we shape up in m+ vs other tanks? Sorry if it's been asked 100 times already
neon prawn
less of something = more?
faint wasp
I plan on prot being OS to gear up in heroics early on quickly
chrome harbor
no because the less you have of a stat the more youd need it, increasing it's value
faint wasp
And m+
chrome harbor
but yea if its just ilvl = king thats fine
waxen talon
doesnt the same go for Strength and armor tho
strong forum
For armor yes, not strength
neon prawn
the mitigation from strength is better since we get so much more of it
strong forum
Strength is liniar increase in power, armor has diminishing return
neon prawn
or thats what ive seen from beta
robust bronze
anybody tryed to tank dargrull?
chrome harbor
yea which is why I was saying that if that is the case then str would be better now then, i would think
and level wouldnt matter
neon prawn
ilvl directly increases strength in bfa
its gains are gains for daysssss
im ready for max strength
strong forum
2nd stats still play an important role, I won't switch out a haste piece for a 10ilvl crit piece
But that's depending on the entire setup.
neon prawn
it'll eventually become better when we get more gear from the next couple of raids
its just been difficult to gain any form of decent cap with just uldir stuff
maybe the next raid will make haste (especially) for prot king
tawny sphinx
Aoe dmg is really good for prot now π
chrome harbor
yea idk about other tanks but I really havent been having any threat issues
well, once... when I tried to LoS a pull and some DH went full DH
chrome harbor
yeah, guess he still had more he could sacrifice lol
uneven mason
So to get back to the STR stat thingy, ilvl is king because you have an increase in armor str and sta from ilvl increases, since armor and hp have this nice synergy going with eachother and str is just like, MORE armor, its going to trump whatever 2ndary you might be fiddling with.
ring/trinkets are where it gets touchy
neon prawn
more haste would be awesome but then you have into the fray talent so idk
chrome harbor
im surprised they didnt put primary stats back onto rings tbh
weak marsh
Am I stupid btw. I found the +16 lower pretty hard as a warrior with former 958 equipped gear
uneven mason
So I mean, a very simplified thing - you'll always want more armor/health from the higher ilvl, but on trinkets is when you start to care about haste etc
You're probably not used to our slower playstyle
also, I found from my little bit of gameplay
chrome harbor
we're also more healer reliant
neon prawn
usually you want to equip the higher ilvl item in almost every case
uneven mason
90% of legion they've been ignoring tank health and just healing stupid off of DPS
Now the healer has to watch your HP and the DPS have to not stand in stupid
chrome harbor
and since dps are learning new rotations theres a good chance the stupid has increased
weak marsh
Well we did it in 30 mins. But I charged into the doublepack coinghosts and nearly got oneshot with shieldwall and block
uneven mason
which means the skill cap for a 16 goes up if folks weree used to just bullying it to death
cold wren
lol
uneven mason
NO more 5million IP absorbs to take the edge off
weak marsh
played without the bracers though
uneven mason
Bracers don't have tons of impact
cold wren
healers have to play the game now oh no
weak marsh
IP is huge. Pooling rage before the pull made a huge differnece
uneven mason
You'd be better off if you're in danger of dying in M+ I Think using Archimondes
Last Stand + Archimonde bubble is a lot of soak and a lot of pain
chrome harbor
arch/belt?
weak marsh
I couldnt use demo shout anyway. People bursted via pull and got aggro if I didnt start aoeing ^^
uneven mason
since the CD is short enough that you'd get it every other or every 3rd pull
Thats on Stupid DPS
They're going to have to not do that
because you need that 2 GCD window to get survivability set
chrome harbor
its going to have to be an adjustment for dps
weak marsh
Yeah. Atleast I'm not stupid and others have the same opinion ^^
uneven mason
Also, pre cast Avatar - Leap - Demo - TC
lusty grotto
by blizz logic, they also have to use gcds for their cds so it would be "working as intended" but I agree
uneven mason
you'll have aggro
Don't forget shockwave as well
I forgot I had it for the first dungeon
weak marsh
I could hold the aggro most of the time (except situations where the adds didnt come together since they started early)
But i didnt use demo shout most of the times. Kinda wasted talent for me that run
edgy leaf
yo guys. have you choose your talents yet ?
uneven mason
Well
That one I'ma put in the "stupid" category
because hitting DS should be 2nd nature
GCD or not
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
we've been running belt for so long in M+
cinder nova
@edgy leaf I'm sure everyone has. If you're looking for talent suggestions
lusty grotto
yeah i mean offensive and defensive cd
on a short cd with BV which everyone sould have
uneven mason
DS is your bread and butter
cinder nova
π π π π
uneven mason
like I said
weak marsh
Yeah sure thing with DS, except sacrificing aggro and dead people isnt my choice
uneven mason
instead of charging (on GCD) use leap and Demo as you land
To be honest, if they're pulling aggro
its not on us anymore
they have to learn
tanks don't have 900% aggro anymore
solid sun
The changes will take some getting used to, but it wasn't all that bad at all for me :)
edgy leaf
yeap definetly @cinder nova
uneven mason
I can't fart at a boss and hold it for 5minutes
weak marsh
Yeah that was insane before ^^
cinder nova
If you π π π π you'll find what you're looking for.
lusty grotto
paladins need salv again lol
uneven mason
DPS Just need to not pop their CDs the instant the mobs start moving
weak marsh
ST -dmg one of our best spell is autohit. Looks awkward
lusty grotto
?
opaque pagoda
I personally fucking HATE that IP is on the GCD now, the gameplay is drastically less fun
The rest of it I can deal with
uneven mason
than you will waiting 1.5s to hit your BLARGHARG button
cinder nova
Single Target
uneven mason
Single Target damage?
lusty grotto
no
uneven mason
our ST damage is amazing
lusty grotto
the other part
weak marsh
Was just talking about the dmg sources. Shieldslam>TC>meleehits
If people aint using all their cds meleehits going to be first dmg source π
cds = gcds
weak marsh
^^
lusty grotto
which you shouldn't be
neon prawn
booming voice > devastator
lusty grotto
^
chrome harbor
BV > veng > deva
neon prawn
also im really liking the menace talent.... super awesome for add control
astral crystal
@fierce juniper the shield block/last stand WA doesn't show last stand with bolster on
neon prawn
it does for me
uneven mason
As long as you don't have EYebeams the emotard in your group Jackal
uneven mason
fixit yourself?
neon prawn
is there an addon to auto kick DHs from your group?
chrome harbor
part of me thinks its because of who DHs were designed for, but another part of me remembers how most DKs were in wrath... but man I feel like monks never had this level of stupid in MoP
uneven mason
On my DK alt, I gorefiends mobs away from DHs who use eyebeams on pull
lusty grotto
cmon @junior ivy titan panel is an absolutely ancient addon and you don't need it for game play lol
junior ivy
omg well what can i replace it with π¦
lusty grotto
it only gives you information, try chocolate bar if that still exists
uneven mason
ElvUI
neon prawn
ill just get a WA that tracks eyebeam CD
junior ivy
it gives l;ots of info and iuts also where i keep my PMs
uneven mason
has a built in datapanel stuff
lusty grotto
yeah i use elvui as well
junior ivy
i cant do elv ui
ive tried
lemme look up chocolate bar
oh someone in the comments on curse has a partial fix for titan panel
gray moon
...uses titan panel in 2k18
neon prawn
i just press the hotkey necessary to view my currencies, bags, etc.
junior ivy
I NEED TITAN PANEL π¦
i cant help it
i love ther info it shows me
my gold. my repair bill. whos online. my private messages. how many bonus rolls i have
etc
neon prawn
i use the addon currency list and the addon daily list and just custom make my own trackers and put them wherever i want on the screen
uneven mason
Its just info
lusty grotto
@junior ivy so the dev said he is working on it
neon prawn
info that you don't need to be displayed during raids/mythic+
lusty grotto
@junior ivy first comment https://sourceforge.net/p/titanpanel/tickets/1068/
junior ivy
i like seeing that info during mythics
sometimes im like oh shit my repair bill is 400 gold i need to repair before we pull
lusty grotto
it will be available soon hehe
lusty grotto
well it's kinda muscle memory to repair after each death for me
junior ivy
the only other addon that wasnt working for me yet was umm astral keys
neon prawn
straightback orcs are awkward af
junior ivy
and kaliels quest tracker
junior ivy
astral keys shows you what key your frineds and guildies have
so you dont have to constantly ask them
lusty grotto
ohhh
neon prawn
its OP
junior ivy
and if you hover over their unit frame itll show their key too in tool tip
and kaliels quest tracker just makes quest tracker look prettier and more customizable lol
ITS BACKKKKK
but not all the plugins are there
junior ivy
see it shows me my currency, my reputation, my pms, my durrability, my gold. i need titan panel β€
lusty grotto
lol
lavish spear
What leggos shoud we aim to use while leveling?
lusty grotto
whatever makes you level faster
neon prawn
something good