i've had beta since like april or w/e, never played it lol
#protection
prisma crane
warm plinth
I got a key yesterday. First key I've ever gotten and I likely won't play it.
strong forum
But now the same questions get asked over and over again, need to stay out of the way for some time to not get triggered to death
signal plover
We can do bear memes if it'll make u feel better Nomer
strong forum
Yeah
lusty grotto
we need Alavisto back
strong forum
Yesh
warm plinth
That's literally every class Discord every day. It's not a pre-patch or expansion thing XD
lusty grotto
rofl
strong forum
Well #410902883165405214 was nice
signal plover
It was the same lol
signal plover
It's ok man
astral crystal
i will forever miss #410902883165405214 rip
signal plover
Just wait for the GCD
strong forum
Aaah
signal plover
And cast IP
warm plinth
I'm waiting for the first skittish week in the expansion.
undone sun
Gcd to move
prisma crane
you get the same questions ALL the time here
undone sun
xD
prisma crane
Thyme has many copy pastas
broken kite
Hey did you guys hear ip is on the gcd?
prisma crane
probably a few ilvl > haste shit
warm plinth
I'm gonna play on my DPS toon and blame the tank
prisma crane
stuff like that
broken kite
;]
warm plinth
Like the good old days
signal plover
Ayyy
undone sun
Lol
broken kite
Lmao
strong forum
Hah
undone sun
Not yet
strong forum
Yo since when is discord so fluid on mobile tough
prisma crane
Cosmo, what's the copy pasta you had, i remember you had one, but cant remember what it was
rip
warm plinth
Oh, Cosmo's rank changed. I'm just noticing.
strong forum
Thoigg*
undone sun
Lol
strong forum
Ffs
timid jay
I cant remember
strong forum
Though*
warm plinth
@strong forum Ikr. Skyhold isn't laggy on mobile anymore D:
timid jay
๐ค
prisma crane
yea Cosmo's a nerd now
undone sun
vocal nimbus
since a couple months
undone sun
He basically does the same as before, just with an orange flair to it
timid jay
undone sun
signal plover
Btw pre patch guide is solid so just tell peeps to 
prisma crane
but, if you ever need help making your spreadsheets look pretty, you know where to find me
strong forum
timid jay
Ill hit you up for formatting
prisma crane
๐
warm plinth
WTB reflectable/blockable spreadsheet ๐
warm plinth
cough
signal plover
U guys doing blockable/reflectable sheet again?
undone sun
I'm considering it
timid jay
Thyme when is the spreadsheet done?
undone sun
......
warm plinth
^
lusty grotto
it's on gcd
warm plinth
๐
strong forum
Come on, it's been forever
undone sun
Uhh Soonโข
weary notch
lol
signal plover
Kek
prisma crane
he doesnt have the Thyme
strong forum
Oh shit its a black tm
signal plover
How many spreadsheets to get Orange name?
prisma crane
give him a break
signal plover
From warrior discord?
strong forum
Vacation before bfa launch, whaat
undone sun
I wish
warm plinth
Sounds like a good time to work on a spreadsheet
strong forum
Gotta get vacation for launch man
signal plover
Must be European.
warm plinth
I have the week after launch off. ๐ฎ
strong forum
Bruv im European
warm plinth
I was smart and delayed it by a few days
prisma crane
i just learned how to use "LOOKUP" in excel, it's pretty cool
signal plover
In US we gotta burn the 4 vacay days we get just to play at launch
warm plinth
Krotos is a big boy now
strong forum
I have 2 weeks off for maximum no life-age
warm plinth
I have 23 days of vacation this year
weary notch
that's why dogs can't use excel
warm plinth
And I'm NA
strong forum
FeelsGoodMan
prisma crane
i get 15 days
weary notch
because they can't LOOKUP
prisma crane
rofl
strong forum
I got 28
lusty grotto
remote work is where it's at. "uh yea i'm working on it...."
warm plinth
"Okay, but dogs can look up"
prisma crane
buddy of mine gets 42...
signal plover
GF could only take two days off so I get thrs/Fri all to myself for ham slam and mythic jam time
bright dust
WFH ftw.
strong forum
42 o.o
weary notch
no, big al says they can't
prisma crane
ham slam and mythic jam, fuckin epic ๐
warm plinth
World's best poet
lusty grotto
its not as boring as pala
undone sun
Tanking as a bear also sucks ass
lusty grotto
nearly as boring but not quite
prisma crane
he was orange parsing and i would pull threat left and right
lusty grotto
oh?
warm plinth
I hear they aren't any better on prepatch/beta. Worse probably since they don't have thrash relics anymore
I'm sure there was some compensation but not 70% worth most likely
And no more pawsitive D:
prisma crane
i mean @lusty grotto i orange as well, but it was rough during SS spam, having 3.5m SS during conc procs was juicy AF
lusty grotto
how are the other tanks now? i haven't played beta nor at home atm
prisma crane
idk i hear Sco has some nice videos
lusty grotto
ROFL
warm plinth
I'm sure his rankings are spot on too
warm plinth
Hahahaha
prisma crane
close enough
lusty grotto
hahaha
arctic sedge
prisma crane
undone sun
undone sun
Lol
worthy yoke
Wait wait. Is Sco still a troglodyte when it comes to rankings?
worthy yoke
Just saw his rankings...I want what heโs smoking.
prisma crane
that doesnt apply to anyone who isnt Sco* FTFY
warm plinth
He probably is suggesting indom
lusty grotto
i can't remember
warm plinth
Lol
main vault
He always turtles in prog
prisma crane
helps when your dps are insane and your heals allow you to underheal
main vault
Yeah
undone sun
Any of the recent videos have been incredibly inaccurate
main vault
They kedep coming too
undone sun
And even then his opinion only applies to his situation
warm plinth
They expanded taunt DR apparently? 6th taunt immune instead of 4?
prisma crane
yea, it's really only an issue when you have Tommy the the raid lead who's gunning for world top 50 with no previous mythic exp telling his tanks that Sco says they're wrong
lusty grotto
๐ค
warm plinth
5 land, 6th immune. It was 4th immune before
main vault
wowplus is the new meme
prisma crane
well, icy veins was just updated for us
lusty grotto
wasn't aware wowplus was a thing
undone sun
They're new
lusty grotto
some specs aren't though
main vault
Its not, thats the meme
undone sun
Amr supports them
prisma crane
it's 6 per 20 sec according to IV
undone sun
Big surprise
lusty grotto
๐ฎ
olive fiber
Marok wrote the icyveins guide
warm plinth
Guessing it's because of the threat reduction
lusty grotto
but some classes have incredibly innacurate icy veins guides
undone sun
Had, yeah
main vault
IV stepped their game up
undone sun
They hired new and better writers for bfa
lusty grotto
i see
main vault
They replaced over half the people
undone sun
Like marok for prot
main vault
Munkky for VDH
lusty grotto
ok i'll reserve gkicks for AMR only
olive fiber
Haha
main vault
and wowplus
lusty grotto
and wowplus of course lol
main vault
Also, AMR is actually incredibly useful for math
undone sun
Noxxic wowplus/amr
timid jay
While I cant say I'm a fan on AMR in general
lusty grotto
noxxic is still a thing?
timid jay
Their wiki is top notch
undone sun
Well, amr's wiki is acceptable
main vault
^
warm plinth
But noxxic dps rankings thyme
undone sun
The rest though
main vault
Its brilliant
undone sun
Lol
main vault
Their formulas are on point, the rest is a shit sandwich
lusty grotto
who me? โค
warm plinth
;)
undone sun
One big feelycrafty sims shit sandwich
main vault
Is not using it a way of using it?
weary notch
I do like Rami Malek in that show
weary notch
Christian Slater is fine. Not great. But fine
weary notch
sal won't kick unless I start posting bear memes again
ashen trellis
Appearently im hearing mythic fel hounds is shitting on tanks.
No magic resist Kappa
weary notch
I'm honestly surprised sal doesn't have some script that searches for "bear memes" in the channel and then pings him
timid jay
It almost sounds like you're proud of it
junior ivy
how are people playinhg with no addons working :I( ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ
lusty grotto
i can't remember, the hurricane hit me too hard
timid jay
@junior ivy my plan is to completely redesign my UI
lusty grotto
junior ivy
every time i log on i get too overwhelmed and exit the game
weary notch
you can log on?
lusty grotto
what addons aren't updated for you yet?
main vault
Its been a few hours
lusty grotto
turn off world quest tracker lol
main vault
shit
main vault
let them reprogram
main vault
ouch lol
junior ivy
shadowed unit frames, titan panel
those were 2 big ones
some weakauras were acting up
lusty grotto
as long as dbm elvui WA and details are updated, i should be solid ๐
weary notch
SuF updated today
weary notch
dunno if it works or not
steep river
my shadow unit frames still says 7.3.5 it hasnt updated. anyway to force it to update because refresh isnt finding it.
little rain
How did stat weights change in pre-patch?
timid jay
Haste still is the strongest
versa vs mastery is going to depend a lot on your shield
i.e. good shield and lots of blockable stuff mastery is stronger
weary notch
head out to the curseforge page and grab it manually
timid jay
otherwise versa
dull wagon
With BFA, iLvl>>everything else. with iLvl being equal, then the secondary stuff comes into play
weary notch
they even updated dominos
lavish gale
my artifact weapon is stronk shield
weary notch
not for lonk
weary notch
lolwut
undone sun
Yeah
dull wagon
Hopefully just journal not updated.
drowsy fractal
Time to test out that new Last Stand talent I guess hahah
undone sun
Be ready to have it talented 24/7
sharp dew
Yeah no nels fury Argus monkaS
junior ivy
is wow still down
steep condor
so.. i have legs.. second leggo should be KJBW if i want to level as prot right? thats what a couple of dudes said earlier. I was gona get manacles
little rain
Seems safe to assume bracers are dead in the water only generating like, what, 2/5 as much rage as before? oof
main vault
@steep condor sephuz/crafted belt/aggramars best for leveling
steep condor
ahh ok thx
acoustic sparrow
Leap shoulders would be super nice if it weren't for them sharing an azerite slot :/
main vault
Speed is #1 leveling stat
weary notch
sephuz is one of my leveling leggos for sure
steep condor
i have feet taht make me run faster
main vault
Yes those
steep condor
ahh i see why you like that crafted belt. i guess i'll try to buy one and then use my wakening essence to buy a sephuz.. to make use of sephauz you just shockwave i guess?
lusty grotto
i'm going with prydaz because warmode
steep condor
nimchip prydaz and what?
main vault
When?
There are 3 short questlines when you go to the other island
Other than that, they cant get to you
Til 120
lusty grotto
i most definately will see a ganker rogue on my server, it's 150% guaranteed
steep condor
cool
blazing dirge
ummm prydaz... whatchu gunna do with your heart neck?
main vault
He didnt think about that
lusty grotto
it's for leveling tho
steep condor
im gonna get sephuz and use the speedy boots . I wont bother to buy the belt.. does that make sense?
lusty grotto
oh i thought you got it later
main vault
No
lusty grotto
i see
blazing dirge
nope immediately
lusty grotto
ok no prydaz then
main vault
Speed will always be the best leveling stat, just how it is
blazing dirge
I'm doing sephuz and boots
steep condor
so glad i asked now.. was 100% gonna get mannacles in morning ๐
lusty grotto
i wonder if bear tartare will also work
main vault
Should
lusty grotto
probably right? theres no reason why they shouldnt
blazing dirge
it's ### speed added instead of 70%
blazing dirge
ya no reason NOT to use it
earnest latch
So this is where to go for intelligent prot conversations?
weary notch
this is where to come for correct answers
main vault
Wowplus is the place to go
weary notch
there is no where safe from unintelligent conversation
lusty grotto
I believe you're looking for Sco videos
lusty grotto
haha
earnest latch
cool, so what is the first impressions prots after patch
lusty grotto
but yeah pretty much, just read pins and stuff
our replies might be on GCD
wait please
main vault
Prot is ok, all tanks are getting trucked
undone sun
Tanks as a whole pretty much got ass blasted
earnest latch
Hell I still can't get logged in
main vault
Glad Im sitting prepatch out
lusty grotto
ROFL
olive fiber
@lusty grotto LOL
olive fiber
Rip
weary notch
I want to get ass-blasted but I can't login
undone sun
๐ ๐
lusty grotto
reel warrie take it up the butt
steep condor
i will be in a theme park with my kids living a different kind of hell tomorrow.. hoping by the time i get home the servers are stable again
crisp slate
Dude he got obliterated
radiant valley
just few words : Fuck mage tower for war tank
gonna keep my black rock mog for the whole bfa i guess -
main vault
you missed it I assume
radiant valley
yep i was so clooooose
charred timber
i returned this week. Did Fury challenge on my 2nd try
copper cedar
Do we already have BfA damage stat information? Not looking for actual weights, but relative order.
weary notch
prot was easily the hardest war challenge
charred timber
sad thing, Prot one was the only interesting skin
radiant valley
yep it's looking really great
charred timber
and i had a set to match it with๐ซ
lusty grotto
bro, you have impending victory as a self heal
thats like 300% more than what monks have if they don't generate orbs
undone sun
haHAA
main vault
Prot the hardest? No way
undone sun
Only tank challenge I didn't complete was brew
cinder panther
Hey guys, anything new on warri tanks? Did they move up in the rankings compared to other tanks ?
radiant valley
on 915 with only leg the ring from argus o; ?
main vault
If you make it to Kruul you win
lusty grotto
you might want to check with our lord and saviour Sco @cinder panther ๐
radiant valley
I made it to him but that bastard hit velen
cunning blaze
Sco's rankings LUL
lusty grotto
sass detected
radiant valley
aren't war last on sco's ranking xD ?
stark sage
๐ค
undone sun
lusty grotto
the god of warries
he even has an emote, which Thyme so generously posted above
graciously? idk
radiant valley
rip war tank ๐ฆ
cinder panther
So we still suck, i see ๐
radiant valley
last again on the rank ๐ข
lusty grotto
xD
radiant valley
that's quite funny that the tanks that wear the least protection so pala and war are weak in reading
topaz ember
i miss spamming sheild slam and doing stupid dps
undone sun
Don't listen to Sco
radiant valley
while the bear that only got its fur as protection is first
cunning blaze
Which tank tower was hardest for you guys? It seems like the first one completed seems to be the answer for most people
radiant valley
and damn drinker monka is second
radiant valley
i am a flithy casual i play war cause i love having 4binds -
magic turret
I think the BrM was the hardest tank tower
radiant valley
it allow me to fap while tanking โค best class ever
lusty grotto
@cunning blaze fucking stupid mistweaver monk. I did 3 heals. Holy pally/Resto Druid were super easy compared to MW
topaz ember
i was able to log in and the only 2 realms up were the valley of heros am and eu
lusty grotto
of the tanks i would say Brew would be hardest for me
magic turret
I found prot warrior to be the easiest, shield reflect on Twisted Reflection was pretty boss
lusty grotto
i did all tanks
cunning blaze
Brew was the only one I did post max artifact so I think I'm biased. War was the hardest but also the first one I tried
dusky sentinel
Resto shaman was hell imo
lusty grotto
i heard holy priest was super hard
but i wasn't interested in the priest artifacts
nor the shaman ones
only heals i didn't do
dusky sentinel
But its like always. Absorbs and channeling classes have a nice time while reactive casters have a hard time
magic turret
Yea, I only did tank ones... I'm not sure if i have every artifact weapon on all my tanks... ๐ค
cunning blaze
Both DH ones were incredibly easy
dusky sentinel
Unholy challenge was a joke
lusty grotto
all of the dps ones i did were cake, boomkin was probably the hardest for me
magic turret
Yep, didn't do DH. I found that DH appearance to be just... super meh
main vault
DH was the easiest by far
magic turret
lol DK Frost was trivial
undone sun
I did most of them just for the completion
main vault
And the Glaives are beautiful
cunning blaze
Same. I don't even like most of them
magic turret
Void phase? What's void phase?
lusty grotto
boomy one was hard until i figured out i wasnt using the Artifact LOL
charred timber
On his stream Sco told a friend of mine that he would be playing Warr, so it can't be so bad
undone sun
I highly doubt that
astral crystal
yeah he's definitely playing druid or monk
lusty grotto
haha
runic garden
He will level and play all of them because he is in the .01%, which is the reason why you also shouldnt care what hes playin
radiant valley
just play the class u prefer the most
every class will be good for the contents we casual are doing ๐
acoustic sparrow
guard and brew will likely be the most consistent and predictable prog tanks so it's no surprise that Sco will be going with one of them.
weary notch
logged in but "character not found"
acoustic sparrow
same :/
junior ivy
i got in, i think
junior ivy
nm i got character not found
steady cedar
yerp
acoustic sparrow
yea but t21 is being replaced by so many new and fun stuff
topaz ember
has anyone tried just making a new character?
junior ivy
i got in
ok so shadowed unit frames is back
but titan panel is noit
im still overwhelmed
omg i have unspent talent points
little rain
Hmm, 4p says 9k ip bonus, did it get fixed or still broken just a tooltip error?
steady cedar
ip sucks dick (correction: more than before)
steady cedar
umm...
ember arrow
Yes?
weary notch
anyone else getting errors with weakauras? I get the "your addons are experiencing a large number of errors" error when I have the new version enabled and am in combat
steady cedar
even in something stupid like a random heroic, ip falls off the instant you put it on
and with the rage cost/on the gcd
wtf is the piont
ember arrow
You said more than before too
amber siren
ember arrow
How did it be4?
steady cedar
im sorry, am i the only one who thought IP was bad prior to 8.0?
steady cedar
lol k
ember arrow
Now it definitely is a shadow of its former self, requiring more thought
If u were without IP, esp after t21 you just didnt spam it enough
steady cedar
i stopped playing prot warrior around NH when IP was utter dogshit
picked it back up in beta, felt good
live atm is unplayable imo
err... unplayable at a competitive level
steady cedar
actual mythic raiding
steady cedar
bc m raids arent legitimate?
ember arrow
M raiding is np at all
ember arrow
Not my fault you think ATB m progress on warr is hard
ember arrow
Pre 8.0 is still legion. Thats what u say yes?
fallow glade
anyone missing avatar?
steady cedar
do you read?
acoustic sparrow
respec
dusky sentinel
To the point @steady cedar IP is/was awsome :) Ur gonna miss it in bfa
steady cedar
i already miss it. have you done anything since pre patch landed?
ember arrow
Prepatch lands today
steady cedar
are you dense?
ember arrow
?
ember arrow
Nope
dusky sentinel
Havent logged my warrior in awhile now. Im EU so waiting for tommorow. But beta wise. The gcd and the low absorb is kinda an issue making it "good"
steady cedar
what im saying is its unusable
acoustic sparrow
lol asmongold is doing his normal kara run where he could pull the whole dungeon and he's quickly realizing that prot is now shit compared to Legion
ember arrow
Eu
steady cedar
@acoustic sparrow thank you
beta was livable
beta prot was fine
this hot pile is dog waste that is currently on live is not
dusky sentinel
Dont get me wrong. Im not criticizing warriors. Just straight up IP
dusky sentinel
But if ur talking live as in patch 8. I dont know since im EU
amber siren
The build on live is the same as the beta changes. Most classess are feeling awful without all their artifacts. The class isn't dead that's just overdramatic.
dusky sentinel
On another note. Im a positive fellah. Give it a week
steady cedar
false?
steady cedar
exactly
amber siren
Which prot changes on live aren't on the beta?
steady cedar
its not about the changes to the spec that arent live, its the changes to the rest of the game/tuning of IP thats WAY off
pure abyss
My ignore pain weakaura seems to be fubar. Anyone have a string handy that will return the total absorb amount of IP?
steady cedar
@pure abyss IP doesnt last long enough to count to anything
its not the WA's its the ability thats broken atm
quasi oasis
Isn't Avatar supposed to be baseline for prot? not in my spellbook
steady cedar
err.. tuning on the ability
amber siren
Respec
quasi oasis
@ember arrow @amber siren thanks
ember arrow
Small indie company etc
amber siren
You said it's fine on the beta but not on live? That's going to be the case for a lot of classes before the expansion hits. It's just a hiccup. It's really not that big of a deal.
steady cedar
lol it is if you want to clear shit on a prot warrior until bfa hits lol
undone sun
Prepatch is always fucky, don't look at the changes as definite results for live BFA
steady cedar
its not the changes that are the issue
the changes played fine on beta
its the state of the class without traits and the tuning on IP atm
weary notch
aha, figured out the WA errors. If you are running WAs and you still have any of the old IP calculations running, delete them. They can throw errors
amber siren
๐
dusky sentinel
Can some1 powerlvl my priest. Im so dead when it comes to legion lvling 
warm plinth
Are Legion invasions gone in the pre-patch?
amber siren
I don't think so
prisma crane
so, off that clip i saw from towelie, i assume the raid is actually still pretty hard?
ember arrow
Legion defeated but invasions anyway
warm plinth
Haha, I mean, I'm not mad. I would've been upset if they took them out because that's muh legion leveling strat
white adder
is it just me or is Avatar not in my spellbook? XD
amber siren
Respec back to prot
warm plinth
๐
strange gate
Avatar isnt in my spellbook either
strange gate
ah okay cool thanks
warm plinth
๐ To make Avatar show up in your spellbook, spec away from prot, then back again ๐ Done!
stiff orbit
damn, skyhold dummy takes my lunch now T_T
amber siren
How much money to invest in a big loud annoying popup with sirens ๐ค
cunning blaze
the dummy will fuck you up on all tanks. scaling is wacky as always in prepatch
stiff orbit
yeah, kinda figured
it's more just funny when you go from "How many stacks can I get this thing up to before I start caring" to "holy shit 1 Uber Strike destroys me haha"
unrelated, but having 51% haste is HILARIOUS
weary notch
I feel like I have more haste on live than I do when on the pre-patch. And that's with punish
stiff orbit
yeah, I'm talking about with ITF
weary notch
I know, but still. I wonder if something got adjusted
stiff orbit
Without it I'm right around where I was yesterday
weary notch
so argus with war mode on is a PvP fest on my PvE server
warm plinth
That's the dream
cunning blaze
war mode shards you with other war moders. prepare to fight
steady cedar
mannoroth's are dead lol
arctic harbor
no such thing as pve pvp servers anymore
warm plinth
That was probably the best change regarding PvP in this expansion. Put all the people who want world PvP into one world, and all the people who don't into another.
regarding world PvP*
arctic harbor
you are either, "Normal" or "RP"
weary notch
oh, hey, you can get your 1000 wakening essence from the mythic+ chest in your guild hall even if you didn't do any mythic+ last week
cunning blaze
music to my ears. i can finally have 2 legs on most of my characters
warm plinth
And iirc you can select the specific legendary you want from the vendor now
weary notch
instead of one?
warm plinth
Instead of a random
WQs also give withering essences so you can farm them pretty easily.
cunning blaze
instead of the free one i'm rocking on like 7 characters yeah
warm plinth
I always wait til I have two non-Argus legendaries before I get the ring. Otherwise you lose your bonus BLP. Not that it matters much now.
I am curious if every toon will get 1000 essences per week until the expansion though.
weary notch
oh crap, which leggo do I buy? Gauntlets, maybe? Feet for leveling?
warm plinth
We're mobile enough that you shouldn't need the speed from feet
I'd go for gauntlets or belt if you don't have it
Or bracers
weary notch
have everything but gauntlets and feet (and chest, but who cares)
warm plinth
Yeah, I'd go for gauntlets first then
Especially since there's no Battle Cry sprint from the boots anymore
weary notch
part of me wants to get the arms legs. I assume they don't apply CS on fury, but could pair them with barbarian for lulz
junior ivy
can everyone log on now?
warm plinth
I'm at work D: I wasn't able to get on before work but that was a couple hours ago now
I am curious though, can anyone share their old ilevel/hp and their new?
acoustic sparrow
Blizz put too many of their servers login functions on the GCD so we're all waiting to log
weary notch
I'm logged on, but that's a super small sample size
acoustic sparrow
I was on for about an hour then got booted. Haven't been able to log back since
warm plinth
That's 100% not the case. There are always login issues on pre-patch/large patch days
tender burrow
Did blizz drop the spaghetti? Unstoppable Force but no Avatar anywhere to be found?
weary notch
looks like they're rebooting the servers
warm plinth
@tender burrow Change spec then go back to prot, and you should have it.
tender burrow
Ty
lean pewter
what are the best legendaries for casual questing for prot?
warm plinth
Gloves/belt would provide the most damage, especially doing big pulls
ashen trellis
Rip tidy plates. I hope the dev comes back and gives it an update
warm plinth
One of the API changes break it?
warm plinth
That's strange lol
weary notch
you can make threat plates look and function identically
warm plinth
Good if you absolutely hate priests in PvP I guess XD
lean pewter
@warm plinth ty ๐
warm plinth
๐
weary notch
well, war mode was fun until horde started camping argus spawn points. Now I;m stuck
ember arrow
Alliance in 2018
warm plinth
inb4 by launch, only horde has war mode on ๐
vivid orchid
for reasons like that is why i carry potion of deepholm on me
instant tp to a sanctuary
olive fiber
Has anyone tested out the LEGO bracers?
warm plinth
Oh, true enough.
vivid orchid
you spawn centre of deepholme, and can just take the port to sw from there
THough i guess that doesn't help you at this exact moment xD
warm plinth
@olive fiber Tested them for what? I don't think they changed at all
warm plinth
Yeah, we have less rage generation than before the pre-patch but they're still strongest defensively
tropic moat
can't get into the game, is the t21 bug from #410902883165405214 pin still in
undone sun
2pc doesn't work, 4pc does
acoustic sparrow
Billion Dollar Company
sick sentinel
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weary notch
I'm assuming they did that on purpose
sick sentinel
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undone sun
Who knows
cloud bone
that's too much for a small indie company like blizzard
warm plinth
Not the first time they've done that. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
undone sun
Converting it to Avatar would still be pretty strong
weary notch
20 seconds of free, spammable shield slam would be obscenely OP
undone sun
No
acoustic sparrow
"After activating Avatar, for the next 5 seconds your Shield Slam ability has no cooldown".
olive fiber
@warm plinth I was just wondering if theyโve lost any value. Wasnโt sure if slower rage gen would have any effect
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warm plinth
They aren't quite as good as they were, but they are still the best defensive legendary. They're no worse than they were before T21 2pc was a thing.
olive fiber
๐๐ผ
weary notch
I got wrecked by a greater invasion boss. Granted we only had one healer, but still, something is wonky
little star
i think blizzard forgot to account for the loss of artifact traits when scaling legion content
weary notch
well, it was a mostly magic dmg boss. Meto. The PLD had more success than I did, what with the self healing
warm plinth
They didn't forget. Changing scaling to this extreme is always going to have things fall through the gaps.
I can't even imagine how jacked timewalking dungeons are going to be now ๐
blissful warren
So, guys, I am reading the Protection Warrior changes and... is it just me or have we actually been seriously nerfed?
astral crystal
anyone done m argus yet?
jade socket
undone sun
Everyone has been nerfed with the removal of artifact weapons
broken kite
(yes)
weary notch
welp, tried to log into my characters on Ilidan and got kicked off. Now it just keeps trying to log me into illidan and kicking me out. Is there any way to kick yourself to the realm selection screen?
cunning blaze
get lucky and you can get taken to the realm select screen. you'll still get booted no matter what though
logging in is just unstable af
simple mural
Do we have a Community set up for in game yet?
sick sentinel
I'm getting toasted by the tank dummy in Skyhold jesus christ
wheat bronze
so 2pc is broken?
cunning blaze
don't fuck with the dummies. be advised, they will pound you hard and fast
echo ermine
not broken technically, just the spell it works off of doesn't exist.
weary notch
tank dummy challenge: get the greater tank dummy to 10 stacks and post a screenshot
sick sentinel
why are prot still shit
sick sentinel
and why are druids and monks still good
weary notch
says who?
full spruce
If I could even log in id try; rip
weary notch
no. I guarantee you blizzard has not said that druids and monks are better than warriors
weary notch
sco doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He tested with Indom. He doesn't even understand bolster
weary notch
where's our lolsco emote?
weary notch
so did every other tank
sick sentinel
did their main ability get fucked in the ass
shield slams still ballin
druids can still get tanky af just by being a "bear"
weary notch
shield block is arguably the most powerful AM in the game. By a pretty fair margin, I think
and it's always been our main AM.
sick sentinel
ya one hit with magic abilities and we fucked if spell reflect is not up
u know how many mage bosses their are
weary notch
how many are there?
sick sentinel
all tanks took it in the ass with magic mit
weary notch
in uldir?
olive fiber
THERE
sick sentinel
i dunno i didnt count
undone sun
??
olive fiber
Obviously you havenโt done anything other than watch Scoโs video
undone sun
What is your point then
weary notch
I literally don't even understand what you just said
sick sentinel
u know the orc back
graceful sundial
hey guys...any prot warrior beta twich here available ???
weary notch
Sense did a lot of M+ on prot
sick sentinel
well are they any good there
blissful warren
Mmmm, I remember the days of tanking the Nighthold, with another Prot Warrior as the second tank
graceful sundial
yeah lf that twich if possible please
blissful warren
Those were miserable days
So, will there be lots of magic damage in the new raid?
undone sun
Not nearly as much
weary notch
click on sense, then his portrait. You'll see his twitch channel
undone sun
@graceful sundial He's on the right on the member list, his twitch should be linked on his discord profile
olive fiber
But itโs a healer problem
blissful warren
I hope there won't be new Star Augur, that guy was a low move from Blizz
graceful sundial
ty so much Thyme!
sick sentinel
so is anyone also happy about straight back orcs
and that orc allied race
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blissful warren
Because straight posture won't improve this picture: https://i.imgur.com/uMjLMlf.jpg
sick sentinel
ok
astral crystal
lol
sick sentinel
lmao
undone sun
I like that it's an option but I'm not estatic about it
sick sentinel
what about the allied race orcs
cunning blaze
they're just more orcs
cinder nova
Brown/grey orcs
sick sentinel
i mean we can transmog as garrosh
cunning blaze
and?
cinder nova
Yeah, my autism will correct it.
sick sentinel
i shall fix my shameful act
cinder nova
shamefru dispray
chrome harbor
what leggos are people using now that the bracers dont really seem worth it, walls fell and gloves?
undone sun
Gloves belt as usual
blissful warren
What happened to the bracers?
blissful warren
Oh. Well, I think I'll miss having constant Shield Block and IP uptime
I wish they made Armor to reduce the magical damage to at least some extent, but alas.
uneven mason
WIth how fast DS cycles that belt is just insanely powerful
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blissful warren
Yep, it'll take its place in my heart forever, just as the Worldbreaker's Resolve did ๐
dusky sentinel
Did some1 mention free loot in the guild house or something? Is there a guild chest? Please dont tell me im that noob
ashen trellis
I dont really like the gloves any more now that we arent using Devastator. But i havnt tested it much
weary notch
you can open your class hall chest for 1000 wakening essence
undone sun
They were bis before devastator ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dusky sentinel
@weary notch You said guild chest earlier so I was afraid ive missed weeks with loot ๐
weary notch
oh, sorry
dusky sentinel
np. Thanks for the heads up anyways
sick sentinel
Is devastator still worth running now or does booming voice win out?
BV despite nerfs still seems pretty diesel
weary notch
steady cedar
bv > row
although
with how IP is currently working on 8.0 you could make an argument for vengeance
weary notch
not really. The icy veins guide explains exactly why not.
undone sun
Written by our one and only marok
steady cedar
doesnt mean i was watching your every word
uneven mason
Thats why Marok wrote an essay
uneven mason
Like that tier got 10x the text all other tiers did because it is a "but it could be good if"
steady cedar
theres no discussing how much better bv is than that whole row
however, given the <live> state of IP - it might be worth rediscussing
weary notch
live IP is no different than beta/ptr IP
uneven mason
You literally need to cast IP once every 10~ seconds while tanking to maintain it perminately because blocking refreshes its effect
steady cedar
it gets shredded
uneven mason
Or did they fix that
steady cedar
have you played since 8.0 dropped?
undone sun
4pc is still busted
uneven mason
^
undone sun
But Album isn't talking about that
uneven mason
IP is not intended to be a perminate absorb that it was
undone sun
He's just referring to IP in general
uneven mason
Yeah, I can see if its someone who didn't look at beta stuff how the shift in IP could be jarring heh
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uneven mason
thats why its explained at length in the pins
steady cedar
ik....
ive played beta
it feels lesser but overall fine on beta
im saying... it feels different on legion 8.0
current content
with 8.-0
im not talking about bfa
im not talking about pre 8.0 legion
weary notch
the guide on icy-veins isn't written for bfa. It's written for live
pre-patch live
the guide will be adjusted for bfa upon release, if needed
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steady cedar
holy fuck
weary notch
the bfa guide will be written with lvl 120 in mind
steady cedar
nvm... /bow-out
heavy chasm
What would be the best leveling leggos?
As they work till like 115 or so don't they?
uneven mason
Belt, stride
blissful warren
prydaz+leaping shoulders
crisp slate
Is Beta also going through the login issues? Can't get in
heavy chasm
Probably not a bad idea anyway. Then you don't get used to benefits that you won't keep
plain vapor
dang
undone sun
It's pretty early
cunning blaze
you get the necklace before you get to the new zones
you only do the intro scenario first
undone sun
Last I leveled through BFA you got it as you got to the main hub
steady cedar
ps :
olive fiber
because Kesha is suing him for stealing her $ sign
plain vapor
anyone know if some weakauras are updated yet
either the warrior defensive cd one or the ignore pain one?
upper spoke
jeez i cant login
warm plinth
@plain vapor I imagine some WAs are going to be messed up because they did some significant changes to how the API pulls spells. I'm not an expert, but I would expect at least some to be not working now.
plain vapor
@silent pagoda aye g
undone sun
Dont do that
There's an entire weakauras discord and website that holds all useful weakauras
Might have to wait a bit for them to update
upper spoke
what would u say is % of people that can login
blissful warren
btw, what exactly do you guys WA?
warm plinth
@plain vapor Pretty sure the TidyPlates author isn't updating it anymore; it may be broken for good. Someone earlier said that ThreatPlates can be modified to look and function identically to TidyPlates though.
plain vapor
cooldowns
oh cool ill look into that then
i just need SOME plates to work cause i cant see any lmao
warm plinth
Yeah I think the person earlier said it only showed priests and target dummies
blissful warren
cooldowns of SW/DS/LS or?..
plain vapor
like the duration of each one plus externals
when placed on me
https://wago.io/E1Hg2Oi_- this bad boy right here
it works right now you just dont see the armor values on the little shield icon
steep moss
For NA ppl, is 4 set still stronger than intended?
warm plinth
Last I heard, yes.
warm plinth
That's personal opinion. It's going to require an adjustment period, I'm sure.
junior ivy
whens wow gonna be back
uncut marlin
also the set bonus not working is annoying
blissful warren
Well, you won't be able to AFK in the middle of Argus, that's for sure.
warm plinth
It's really the same decision you had to make before. The only difference is that you actually have to stop and think about it because it's on the GCD :p
uncut marlin
hmmm...
warm plinth
Ignore Pain vs. Revenge was always the choice you had to make.
warm plinth
Yeah I would agree that IP being on GCD is gonna be awkward for a while.
Not thrilled about the change myself.
blissful warren
Eh, when Vengeance was viable, it wasn't that much of a choice
warm plinth
Well, no. But that's a different story because Vengeance made the combination cheaper than a full IP. It doesn't do that now.
Or rather, it made it cost the same as a full IP.
astral crystal
wtb sense weakauras
blissful warren
All in all, bring out your pocket healers boys!
They offer new Recruit-A-Friend rewards, you know?
warm plinth
I doubt that's been updated yet. It'll probably be a while. I haven't read a word about RAF since they nerfed it.
dusky sentinel
Poor Album. You all misunderstood him. He was saying that IP isnt at all like beta in 8.0. He got to test the patch cause he's in the US.
undone sun
What is scaling for 500
upper spoke
should i just continue to hit login?
warm plinth
I bet Seat is a fun dungeon now.
upper spoke
or is this an exercise in futility
blissful warren
Wait, is the wowhead's formula for the new IP correct? 3.5 x Attack Power? Down from 22 x Attack Power?
weary notch
misunderstand the guy who tried to discredit marok's guide by posting text from the Easy Mode page? Okie doke
warm plinth
@blissful warren Pretty sure you're looking at the BfA version, not prepatch version.
BfA version is still showing as the weird reduces-your-rage-instead-of-health mechanic.
weary notch
(attackPower * 2.5) * (1 + Versatility). From the guide in the pins
blissful warren
And what it used to be?
dusky sentinel
@weary notch Ignore what he posted. His point was that "live" aka 8.0 is not anything like beta IP. Marok's guide is written from beta stats right? So if live is somewhat skewerd. All the stats from marok is "false". Im just pointing out what he meant
weary notch
I know what he meant. He's just being childish about it
undone sun
The guide is for prepatch, not beta
Everything that's included in prepatch, which is the spell changes, class overhauls, forcing personal loot, etc.
warm plinth
What do you mean by forcing personal loot?
dusky sentinel
PL is now the only loot option
arctic harbor
Prot's version of Deep Wounds is 6 sec duration just like Arms?
weary notch
12, I think
warm plinth
That's pretty crazy. I wonder why they did that. I imagine endgame guilds will still pool the loot via an addon and distribute it that way if possible.
weary notch
you can still trade using the LFR rules
warm plinth
Right, but now if someone has an item that Blizz says is an upgrade, they won't be able to trade it
weary notch
correct
warm plinth
That's kind of a bummer, especially when it's something like a chrono shard type item
Where they can only not trade it because it's a set item
blissful warren
You can always keep a crappy high-ilvl trinket on you, so you can trade the other stuff away
weary notch
it is, but the way loot works in this game has sucked IMO since they took out currency that you could save up and eventually get items. There's a nice balance between boss drops and currency that takes much longer that helps offset the annoyance of RNG
warm plinth
Set items are separate from other loot though.
You mean like Badges of Justice/Valor?'
weary notch
yeah
warm plinth
Yeah I liked that system. RNG doesn't favor you, at least you know you'll eventually get something for sure.
weary notch
was a little too easy when they had it in, but it's a better system, I think
blissful warren
The badges went like the dodos and reforging
warm plinth
RIP Reforging ๐
weary notch
I remember progressing through ICC with my ulduar weapon because there was no weapon your could purchase/craft and only one boss (the first one - BOOOONNNNNEEEESTOOORRRM) dropped the mace. 48 kills, no drops. People on the second raid team were vendoring those maces right and left and I killed LK with a 219 weapon
warm plinth
Well, guess what. We're back ๐
weary notch
I'll take losing master loot over building specs around leggos any day of the week
arctic harbor
The Tournament had some decent weapons iirc
warm plinth
I remember losing rolls to hunters for staves/polearms...at least that won't be a thing again.
weary notch
oh, maybe I did have the tournament weapon. I just didn't have the ICC one