The APL isnt designed for it and I'm not even sure if the prot module itself is fully implemented with regards to survivability
#protection
timid jay
merry monolith
Thought so :<
thorn spruce
There has been some attempts with simming survivability, with dtps, tmi, but they are all super dated
and most if not all tanks dont even attempt to sim survivability, so the apls dont really work for it
thorn spruce
so to even attempt it, youd have to write a new apl and write a boss, because the one that tanks use right now is terrible
yeah
its not being made, because it doesnt work
it wont ever work
because healers is a thing
timid jay
Just use AMR 😉
thorn spruce
🙂
thorn spruce
but yeah, its just impossible to sim surviability
especially generic ones
for instance, how would you even make some stats for dogs, coven, aggramar and argus
all at once
its just not possible
merry monolith
well couldnt you theoretically sim EHP just so you would get some sorta stat weights? you could choose either phys or magical incoming dmg
timid jay
What would be the point of that?
Since its going to vary immensely depending on what fight you're looking at
Mastery is going to be huge on aggramar while versatility is most likely going to be higher on dogs
merry monolith
true true
fierce skiff
when does the Artifact power quest start? like the one to drain my weapon and max it out?
onyx vessel
Gotta get a fat vers set and 100% mastery set then bois
uneven mason
at 110 Hellofice
velvet tartan
Hey guys, i was running some dungeons yesterday with a friend who is healer, usually i'm playing my paladin tank and he was complaining that my warrior feels much less stable in HP, sometimes barely taking any damage but then requiring lots of attention in other moments. In general he said that he felt much more need to pay attention to my life than when i was playing port paladin. Gear aside, is this normal? Or do i just suck and should spend more time learning the playstyle?
I'm far from having a perfect gear setup (or even good gear) with both chars, they're both around 930 ilvl and we were just doing some low key mythic stuff
Do warriors in general require more love from their healers and in return have better mobility, better dps and a more versatile skillset than a paladin?
uneven mason
Paladins are more autopilot
Warriors are what you described though, we don't take damage, until we do
and if you're taking damage its because you made a mistake somewhere
In raid tanking we're basically 100% health until something oneshots us (like scyth 16 on HC Argus)
velvet tartan
yeah i often felt mistakes on my end e.g. capping rage and not using it to maintain ignore pain
uneven mason
We're also yes more gear dependent
velvet tartan
or the other way around not having rage when i urgently needed ignore pain
uneven mason
Yeah you're going to want to pump IP like its a meth injector
timid jay
In m+ our health can certainly be a lot more bursty compared to prot paladins, block doesnt help for spells like SoTR does
uneven mason
basically, if you're goal is to not take damage, never press Revenge unless its free
Yeah, but we have like, a 20s CD on Demo Shout which does help vs spells, and SPell reflect is 50% reduction
If you have a ton of mobs in your face, make sure block is up
velvet tartan
does rage generation in general improve as you get into the late game? because i constantly feel like i'm not having enough (mainly caring about m+ here, also looking at bfa)
uneven mason
cover gaps in block uptime with AE stuns
Yes
for the next uh..
5 days
it does
velvet tartan
haha ok
uneven mason
Our T21 2p basically is infinite rage
velvet tartan
yeah i'm looking at all the beautiful things out there (that i don't have) and can see a lot of potential, dreaming about bracers and the tier sets
uneven mason
our 4p T20 + 2P T21 is literal the definition of infinite rage
velvet tartan
then i look at bfa without any of that and am a little scared
timid jay
Its definitely slower in BfA
uneven mason
But to answer your question, warriors have a stronger mitigation kit, and take less damage, but YES we require the player to PAY ATTENTION
Paladins, Druids, DKs and DHs are all pretty autopilot
on live
velvet tartan
i guess i'm spoiled by years of playing paladin with crutches
timid jay
Tbf, prot paladin is similar to prot warrior
uneven mason
It is
uneven mason
Right, but every ability a paladin uses is some sort of DR
timid jay
🦀
uneven mason
Warriors have a build/spend cycle
velvet tartan
i logged back on my paladin after 3 weeks playing around with my warrior after hitting 110 and just couldn't enjoy it anymore though
all that mobility and the pacing feels so much more engaging on warrior
timid jay
One thing you might want to keep in mind is actually using your bigger cooldowns
uneven mason
paladins are just like Absorb from my main threat ability, DR from my big threat ability, 15% reduced auto attacks from my spam threat ability, passive healing from standing in glowy, massive self heal + HoT from this other button I press for the hell of it
timid jay
Anger management makes the CD a joke most of the time
uneven mason
Yeah Warriors cycle their big CDs like they're pez
like my setup during progrtession I had Shield Wall available every ~ 40 seconds, DS every 20~
velvet tartan
haha yeah i suck at that too, i think 80% of the dungeons we ran i didn't even touch shieldwall
uneven mason
Last Stand every 1.5min
and if there is a lot of incoming damage, Neltharion's although meme material, using it for 1 GCD to take a bit hit is an assured 60% DR
and Spell reflection is 50% magic reduction for 5 seconds
which is OP
velvet tartan
do you use the cds like shieldwall as a reactive or preventive skill
uneven mason
prevenative
predictive is the word you're looking for
Warriors are Predictive tanks
uneven mason
this is more so in BFA
timid jay
The only really reactive CD we have is LS
uneven mason
or Proactive
if you have acne
Paladins, DKs, DHs, Druids are all Reactive
their main power is in self sustain
a Paladin will eat a large hit and then heal most of it back up
a Warrior has to stack IP up
to absorb it before the hit
Warriors, in situations where block is usable, have a massive advantage
velvet tartan
yeah maybe my healer also needs to understand that my health behaves differently now, he got used to my paladin being fine topping himself up when he gets to 60-70% but once my warrior starts dropping he continues to drop
velvet tartan
so i know this is not the bfa channel but i heard a lot about ip changing and being much worse in bfa
is that true?
feels like it's the core mechanic of port warriors atm
timid jay
Its going to server more of a different role than how it does now
Currently its more take no damage, in BfA its going to be more damage smoothing
uneven mason
Head down to #410902883165405214 and 
our fearless leader has created quite the write up on Skyhold.gg
on the changes
and Block is by far the core mechanic of warriors
if you compare the "blocked" to "absorbed" on your EHP logs, block wins in almost every situation
by a huge amount
velvet tartan
thanks a lot both of you, i'll continue to read up a bit more
timid jay
The playstyle will remain relatively similar going into BfA
uneven mason
Yeah, consider yourself lucky
velvet tartan
it's encouraging though that my issues were mainly due to the fact that i suck
timid jay
With probably more focus on SB management since the cooldown is getting increased
uneven mason
you haven't been hopped up on the crystal meth we call T20+T21
Prot in ABT plays like some sort of hyperactive DDR
velvet tartan
haha
uneven mason
its quite jarring going from live to beta and back
Prot plays fine in BFA
but if you're used to how fast it is engame right now
its like going downhill on a bike and hitting the front brakes
velvet tartan
well hopefully there will be some nice azerite stuff in the upcoming raids that adds some more flavor
uneven mason
Oh our dungeon azerite is downright OP
we can effectively have like, 50s uptime on Demo shout
junior ivy
what do you get for 5th prestige?
deft kelp
That's a pretty cool link
sick sentinel
Finally, this fking prot mage tower :-D without t set, with 2 fury legendarys about 50 tries :-D
ebon geyser
gj
uneven mason
enjoy your dangly bone
tribal nebula
Hmm I think I need to do arms still
junior ivy
does anyone use shadowed unit frames
verbal socket
i do
orchid sand
If no melee in your 5 man group. Focus a party members pet or minion. The stun from warbringer applies to all mobs not immune to stuns,that are within 5 yards.
Cat
I use SUF for player target and focus. The health bar is only reason why...easier to see. Options to resize,recolor etc.
I've tried most cast bar mods. Stock,qurtz,suf,but I found a target cast bar weak aura that I like and works the best for me.
lament sonnet
a little more annoying as prot imo, took me 8 tries whereas blood was a oneshot , both at around 920
lean slate
damn, got him to 3% before I got kncoked off and heroic leap bugged
another 3% zzzzz
I got it!
935 ilvl with insig and fury cloak
no tier
lean slate
true
warm plinth
I actually struggled with DK more than warrior personally
dense lintel
undone sun
it'll definitely be more challenging
undone sun
if anything by prepatch
junior ivy
om,g
thats so soon.
i cant do that
oh well at least i managed to get brawlers guild done
undone sun
i haven't seen confirmation either way though, just forums posts saying it's not part of main lore
¯_(ツ)_/¯
junior ivy
no one ever told me how easy brawlers guild was
so i ignored it
then i did it today and it was sooooo easy
junior ivy
i managed to do it all in about in an hour and a half
warm plinth
I remember the first season of Brawler's Guild; that was brutal.
I think I got stuck on like the 3rd or 2nd to last boss
raven ore
steady karma
grave grove
you woke macro up
I'm aussie so I don't care
but when you ping valkyr you're pinging like 10 people
exactly 10 if you don't count Eyir
I'm good at counting
wait
round vortex
Ok for future reference do I ping or just message my Aussie compadre lol (as in who do I ping / ask lol)
grave grove
that's not allowed
round vortex
Yeah against blizzard TOS that’s exactly what I’m asking. So maybe delete lol
grave grove
🤔 or you could have done it
round vortex
I’ll do it. Now the rest won’t make sense lol sorry for being a pest
Wadner you’re my new go to lol
brazen trail
round vortex
Yeh just checking we back that up. Sometimes I feel like I’m in guild chat in here 😘
grave grove
that sounds scary
round vortex
I was about to make a super bad tasted joke and with like 15k+ people here it’s definitely going to offend someone so I won’t lol it’s not racist but it’s still bad lol
grave grove
#protection is for posting about protection warriors 😃
bad jokes go in #off-topic. but if you're worried about whether something is too offensive to post, it probably is
round vortex
Sorry. Off track. The joke was related to my post lol and yeah I’ll just stop now. Goodnight lol
signal plover
Damn this rly cleared the chat out
round vortex
IT was dead for over 4 hours before that lol
Take away my shitlord moment and not a single post in here in over 8 hours. Head to #410902883165405214 for the new active chat lol
dark pewter
Things that get on my nerves as a tank..... PETS. TAUNTING. Ugh
Kill it with fire please
ember arrow
i mean, tell them to turn it off 😛
smoky oak
round hornet
like autotaunt off by default or removing pet taunt in dungeons entirely?
cold eagle
pet taunt is automatically set to manual in dungeons as of BFA
so the player needs to re-enable pet auto taunt or press taunt manually
timber sphinx
Hello everyone. I have a doubt and I hope you can help me ... The next expansion I would like to main tank since I have been playing dps for years and it bores me. I will be the titular tank of my guild for Uldir. I have at the maximum level the following classes (can choose between): Guardian Druid, Paladin, Dk, Warrior and Monk. What do you recomend me? Im very confused... 😦 (Sorry if bad english)
dreamy berry
Being able to spot douch hunters becomes easier 😛
Recommend trying the out at decide for yourself
Them *
stark sage
@timber sphinx coming here we are a bit biased to prot
but the real answer is play whichever you will have the most interest in
as the mechanical differences matter less than your own personal skill
prisma crane
^
particularly if you arent diving deep into high ranked mythic raid teams, which tbh, if you were you'd probably know which you're playing
as Kela said, play what you want, at the end of the day it's a game, you have to enjoy what you're doing
round hornet
ok thats good, it would be spooky if pet taunt was always disabled 😃
used it sometimes this expac for m+ anyways
timber sphinx
Thank you guys ❤️
desert pond
if I want to get the prot mage tower thing b4 next xpack and i have really stacked gear what should I use? Will it be faceroll or will it still take a decent amt of tries?
ember arrow
XD
uneven mason
Folks who are sacred of the mage tower with 930+ gear need to realize that people were completing them with ilvl 900 junk and no legos
Prot tower past 915 gear just requires you not to have ADD when it comes to getting knocked off for phase 1, and know when to leap/stun for phase 2 (DPS as well)
signal plover
If you have 940+ gear and 2 piece you'll blast through variss in like 30 seconds lol
And then spell reflect kruul
And the cry cuz our flail isn't as cool as the prot pally flail
sick sentinel
I've never even seen the prot mage tower lul
fierce hollow
People complain about the prot pally flail being better? I have the prot pally one and I'm getting ready to go after the prot warrior mage tower appearance and I've always heard the opposite complaint
"the warrior one is more dangly"
oak gate
Quick q about Highlord Kruul, for p1 do I want to be doing anything with the Mind Rend casts or just worry about Drain Life?
dark pewter
I has paladin flail. I R happy
round vortex
@oak gate just make sure you have an IP rolling it BFA for about 2 mill. So if the next mind rend will kill you either reflect it, interupt it, stun him, run in a circle or kill an eye / nether horror and use victory rush.
signal plover
Always have an interrupt/stun or orb for drain life.
Using VR after killing an eye is key
But shouldn't be much issue nowadays
round hearth
jagged bay
gz!
keen fiber
im still using the the t20 4pc and t21 2pc, the t20 4pc is from tos so the ilvl is low, I'm wondering when to replace it w/ normal gear/t21 tier?
undone sun
20 ilevel difference
keen fiber
20 ilvl diff per piece or total?
undone sun
per piece
keen fiber
ty
and if i only have 1 piece thats 20 ilvls higher, is it worth equipping that breaking the 4pc or should i wait until i have 2 pieces that are 20 higher to break ea tier set bonus?
and dmc immortality? when to replace that since it caps at 900?
undone sun
depends on your options and defensive trinkets depend entirely on the fight at hand.
tall vale
Got my mage tower finished finally.. 64 attempts. 930 ilvl. no more knockoffs. ftw
warm plinth
Phew, 64 attempts! That took some willpower.
plucky night
Wut
warm plinth
It's not new trash. It's there if you're under (iirc) 92% enemy forces when you go there.
atomic blaze
Mage tower doable at ilvl 926, no legendaries, 2pc T21, and heroic versions of Diima's Glacial Aegis/Riftworld Codex? I haven't tried it yet, was hoping to have a legendary, but I only dinged Friday morning.
vocal nimbus
yes
atomic blaze
That is true, however war isn't my main so I'll admit I'm not as skilled as others.
I do tank a lot though, my main is a resto druid with guardian os
ember arrow
nah it should deffo be doable
id take diimas definitely
and the tank patheon trinket if available
atomic blaze
No patheon trinket yet, still trying for normal argus, LFR has been awful, already did heroic.
For talents: 1,23,3,1,3,1 or something else?
Or storm bolt instead of shockwave
wise zenith
Stormbolt vs shockwave is preference
Storm is more reliable but shock helps prevent stacks from shadow adds
Did it with storm tho
Make a macro to target inquisitor with storm
atomic blaze
Thanks
junior ivy
grats !
warm plinth
Congrats! I've had the warrior one done for a while but just did the paladin one today, so I have all the tanks completed now 😄
uncut marlin
best legendaries for M argus?
silk mortar
smoky iron
will probs be able to get to 920 or so once i up this legendary
hopefully thats enough!
tropic phoenix
The only problem with the challenge is forgetting the mechanics, DPS check isnt taht tight anymore
stray wedge
imo it's probably easier to spend time getting to 930 or so and then doing the challenge, than it is to try doing it at 910 or so
it's absolutely more than doable at 910, but gear makes it a lot easier
warm plinth
Yeah, I tried the paladin one at 898 and after a few attempts I just went and grinded a bit to get my two legendaries and ended up doing it at 918. It was much less irritating that way. With as easy as it is to gear up, you should definitely shoot for the ilevel you can get to in a short time and then do it at that ilevel.
warm plinth
What ilevel are you?
sick sentinel
920
warm plinth
Probably won't make much difference either way
warm plinth
Horn would make for higher burst if you have 2pc T21
sick sentinel
and druid and DK at high ilvl
T21 is antorus irght
i have 2 set i believe
u spam the shit out of shield slam and revenge?
warm plinth
SS if single target, you can throw in Revenge or TC if you've got adds on you as well @sick sentinel
fierce skiff
so this INtercept skill... how do i use this correctly? New to Prot Warrior.
amber siren
Do you mean the defensive portion of the ability? It's only really used if you're specced into safeguard in M+ as an additional DR.
left canopy
I just did it with my druid...I had 32 wipes with 1 of them being with 1mil health left
And shitty artifact that I didnt had 3 relics just until my last 5 wipes...
Prot warr mage tower is much more fun and easy imo
warm plinth
@left canopy Druid one gets much easier if you have either Ekowraith or Luffa, or both (legendaries that extend range and/or damage of Thrash). You just run Incarn and spam the shit out of Thrash and P1 is over pretty much.
plucky night
if you don't release the npc's finish the boss. unless you mean 1m health left when you got ported out
warm plinth
They don't always. You have to die/get knocked off at a good time where there are no adds, because the adds will draw their attention from Kruul. I actually had a near-perfect timed death for one of my druid's attempts; they took him down from 6% to 1 mil HP before Velen died.
crisp stone
My second try after the big nerfs to Kruul had a wipe at 7k hp I think, I died myself at around 1%.
left canopy
@warm plinth ofc it could have been easier if I had those but the legendaries I had were Luffa (which I got lucky with the legendary item you buy) and the legendary ring that you get from killing Argus and completing the quest
And had 900 artifact...I was nearly on the end and that is what I got...so it may have felt for me harder
next goblet
anyone else having issue getting in game?
noble solar
Guys
is there a way to make a macro which will only use an ability with a condition?
like, it will only cast revenge, if i have a free proc
so i can spam the key, and it will not triger it otherwisie
mild zinc
I don't think so cuz you could write a one button Makro for your whole rotation
uneven mason
The only conditionals remaining in macros are targeting conditionals, they did away with the if else scripting in macros back in vanilla, because yes, literally you could script your entire rotation to 1 button (Subt rogues were notorious for this)
humble schooner
just use autohot key
problem solved lol
actually , nevermind that wouldn't work
undone sun
Also against ToS
humble schooner
pfft, only against ToS if you get caught 😛
uneven mason
Seeing as they have a background scanner that checks for macro software
you'll get caught
humble schooner
if they banned for macro software, anyone with any razer or logitech mice / keyboards wouldn't be allowed to play
although I only make simple macros (like bind Shift 1 to a single key) since I use an orbweaver
uneven mason
binding conditionals to keys isn't the same as scripting conditionals.
Your razer software can't check to see if you have a buff in game
it can automatically do a series of keypresses
but that in itself isn't going to facilitate your rotation more or less
final mist
We have no idea how they detect that shit, but you're better off just not using it, else you run the risk of being banned.
untold cape
They cant scan anything outside of the actual games .exe though, if something interacts with wow and its memory boundary's then they can detect that.
lapis topaz
You don’t think they have a listener for system calls? I don’t know windows, but Linux has systrace
untold cape
Well, this is Blizzard, they could very well scan outside the games .exe, although illegal. (invasion of privacy, some company's have been caught doing this) Dont think anyone is ballsy enough to call them out if they did 😋
uneven mason
actually its not
they went to court over it about 5 years ago
they're allowed to scan surface memory for programs that interact with their software, to protect their copyrights or whatnot.
so basically they can decect if you have a automation program running in the memory, and then if your client is sending keypresses with identical timings over a long period of time...chances are you're using some sort of automation.
untold cape
Yeah, most require hooks into the game's .exe/memory, which is well within their rights
uneven mason
WHat they got nailed on ( and a few other companies) was DEEP SCANNING hard drives
for botting programs
which their first iteration of watchdog programs did
I think SOE got caught with that.
pulling disc images = nono
cold eagle
I've been running AHK with wow for years
I rebind m4 and m5 to shift and ctrl while the wow window is in focus
uneven mason
keybinding software isn't the issue, its automating keys with scripted behavioral macros, dunno why people keep confusing "my mouse software which lets me macro 2 10,000x in a row" to if then scripts.
round hornet
probobly because ppl call if/then type things macros
when its really a small subset of them that are not allowed
magic light
hey there is there a good source for a wa for tanking?
having touble with the mage tower and need to be ale to focus better
prisma crane
@magic light #ui-addons-manager i think it may be pinned there
magic light
I'm going to sound dumb, but I don't know what one to pick
prisma crane
whichever works for you
probably most useful would be infernal slams and maybe twisted reflection cast
magic light
I never used a WA for a warrior before only for shadowpriest
prisma crane
but i didnt use WA back when i did it, so idk which would be best
round hornet
Weakauras are just UI, its not a better or worse (other than being non-functional).
You just need to choose/make something that is comfortable for you
civic narwhal
check out GSE, its allowable and makes conditional macros
fresh dragon
yo! QUESTION
Argus mount (MM) its still 100% till EXP day
or droprate decrease from 2morrow?
shut summit
Twitter
civic narwhal
i think its only 1 for entire raid
warm plinth
^
civic narwhal
so only one person with personal loot will get it, at random
shut summit
1 for entire raid, personal loot so random, can't trade
round hornet
really? I thought before with PL someone said they got 2 GD mounts from one kill
prisma crane
im just glad i have mine so i dont have to deal with that shit
all PL will help a lot of middle-mythic guilds reduce drama, but idk what they're thinking going all in, but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
junior ivy
what should i try and get done before prepatch tomorrow?
that i can accomplish in a day
round hornet
I dont have one yet, we had a list and we were 2 lockouts short of giving based on that :X
and with ppl quitting and stuff, theres a buncha new ppl that can get mount over me 😭
junior ivy
which mount?
round hornet
argus
round hornet
indeed
and the only thing I can think of to do in the last day is mage twoer
if you dont already have it
for all ur chars/specs
junior ivy
only got one 110 toon and i got all 3 mage towers
round hornet
ah didnt use your boost?
round hornet
oh
junior ivy
one was the boost lol
warm plinth
Argus is that weird three headed thing isn't it?
prisma crane
i think it's sick
but i like smaller mounts anyways
i just wish they put more effort into the wings
final mist
Yeah it's the weird amalgamation Draenei thing
It sounded so fuckin' metal in the descriptions and it just looks so derpy
warm plinth
Last minute mage towers on unfamiliar specs; idk why I'm torturing myself.
undone sun
I like the mount except for the wings, also got it for completion sake
warm plinth
Are you a mount collector Thyme?
warm plinth
Pretty respectable number. I think I have 42 😄
slim void
Never bothered for mage tower with my warrior, as I don’t like fury or the arms appearance
Tried it today, apparently I’m not a fury warrior. Took me the most attempts 🤔
But prot worked out fine, the set bonus with shield bash without cd is nuts
warm plinth
Yeah, can't imagine how much easier prot would've been with bracers and t21 2pc lol. It was easy enough as it was.
chilly brook
I wouldn’t call prot easy enough as is for the mage tower
You get chewed up a lot in the first phase unless you massively outgear the challenge
warm plinth
Idk, I did it at 929 on my warrior, which is overgearing it a bit, but with no AoE on the adds, most of the incoming damage really isn't there. Worst case you pop SR for Mind Rend casts if needed. I was using Vengeance and Heavy Repercussions at the time too because I hadn't swapped over yet.
warm plinth
Mmhm
chilly brook
I mean doing it sub 920 ilvl is a different ballgame
If you’re 930 it should be a cakewalk for any spec tbh
amber siren
@junior ivy Last day for the AoTC achieve but not for the mount
junior ivy
ok thanks
oak gate
1% wipes on Kruul....
amber siren
🙏
warm plinth
You got this @oak gate!
warm plinth
It happens. Just keep grinding away at it. The more you do it, the less anxious you'll get, and the better you'll eventually do.
warm plinth
Exactly; might as well
Although I think the mount is still 100% drop rate until the actual expansion hits.
Oh I guess Cutting Edge will be gone though
robust urchin
Hope for an invasion
amber siren
You can still get shards from doing the rares on the broken shore
warm plinth
Killing rares and opening chests still gives a decent amount of shards.
fierce juniper
Guide has been updated for BfA release. Things will be updated/changed as things progress so check back every once in a while.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
undone sun
smoky garnet
weary notch
undone sun
Gotta keep the higher quality for the real thing
weary notch
has anyone been working on an IP tracker Weak Aura? Feels like the only thing left I'd like. Something that lets you know when it's safe to cast IP again for maximum benefit
amber siren
I think it stacks 1.2(?) times so I don't think there's much risk of stacking it with current rage gen/gcd
weary notch
I'd even settle for something that just showed the absorb amount in numbers
I think it's 1.3. It's probably not worth worrying about overall, but I like knowing stuff
amber siren
I'll take a look on the beta rq, I'll ping you if I figure it out
undone sun
They changed how you get unit buffs, I don't think so
warm plinth
The guide that was just linked states 1.3 is the max
undone sun
But I'd bet hamsda is working on it
strong forum
Yeah 1.3x is the max
Which roughly translates to 20% of your HP
Even though it doesn't scale with hp yes.
warm plinth
Hmm, block value is a thing again huh. We going for that 102.3% or whatever avoidance again? 😂
raven kernel
Gotta be immune to crushing blows
warm plinth
Exactly haha
broken kite
next goblet
hey will the mage tower appearance be account bound? say if i have another prot war on a diff server.. will i be able to mog that?
warm plinth
Yes. You can also mog the appearances cross-faction.
next goblet
oh awesome so i dont have to do it on my highmountain tauren war since i did it on my human
❤
warm plinth
Correct 😃
next goblet
PRAISE THE LAWD
im prob going horde next xpac so i have a highmountain tauren just sitting (because i dont have like anything to do on him)
warm plinth
Yeah it works for me too because I have a couple of doubles of certain specs on the opposite faction. It was nice to know I didn't have to worry about completing the look on those toons as well.
next goblet
that too lol
main vault
No BFA channel, shits real!!!!
vivid orchid
itshappening
sick sentinel
@fierce juniper Hello mate, why can't I write in the BFA prot chat?
nvm im retard
Anyone has a Gucci Prot Weakaura? all those in wago.io are kinda shit atm
cold wren
@fierce juniper Hey, was wondering but in your new guide, you posted that pets (hunter/locks) apply to the Into the Fray talent, I believe this got hotfixed and no longer works?
sick sentinel
should work with pets tho, says allies, not allied players
fierce juniper
@cold wren hmm, i'll have to check
blazing dirge
Just checked out the new guide. Thanks for all the hard work Marok! ❤
fierce juniper
at least on beta it worked on pets and similar units
and this was yesterday
@blazing dirge np :)
strong forum
Pretty sure it was fixed some months ago tbh
Only players and enemy units count towards it
cold wren
@fierce juniper Thanks bro! lemme know what you find, I would check myself but stuck in work like a typical eu boy
crystal night
Anyone know where to get the T-clap demo shout extention azerte gear ?
cold wren
thanks!
signal plover
Wooo 3 new guides to read at work today...gunna be a good day.
astral crystal
noooo back to the pleb channel
astral crystal
lol
tawny panther
Seems to be more doom about prot than a few days ago. What happened
tawny panther
Oh even since the sco 'video' I feel more are being negative
Guess it's just spreading more
main vault
Def was pre-Sco
tawny panther
I still feel most stuff is pretty close. For any type of content. But that's my feelycraft. Long as things are close I don't care
Don't have to be best
amber siren
Really? I barely saw any prot warrior discourse before all these 'rating every class' videos started to crop up
main vault
You must be living in a cave
People have been QQing about Prot since they first took IP away
amber siren
Most reactions I saw to that were positive that they were taking IP away with something more interesting until it was shoehorned back in 🤷
tawny panther
The warrior qq was about IP specifically tho not that we sucked. Then lately it's started being "prot sucks lol"
Or about them not being sure what to do with us
main vault
Im saying thats the timeline it started
Then we had bolster, then bolster gone
Then IP back
tranquil sand
man no devastaor 😭
main vault
^literally a QQ right there
tranquil sand
yes sorry, i just cant imagine having to spam it now
main vault
So you didnt play War before NH?
tranquil sand
no!
main vault
In MoP or WoD or asnything?
tranquil sand
naaa-ah
war was the second child
do people generally feel happy/that they enjoy the current prot iteration?
amber siren
I'm excited for it
tranquil sand
i absolutely loved the train of stimulation with combining t20 and 21 and anger management, and kinda worried i will always find bfa prot lacking in comparisson
swift willow
I'd say your worries are justified
And that it's the same for a high number of classes
tawny panther
Fortunately I took a break and didn't get that, so ignorance is bliss
Well, bliss is a strong word
tranquil sand
is it natural as the tiers are essentially extra mechanics, or its a less intensive gameplay design direction for BFA?
cold wren
Lmao people take Sco’s vid seriously if he played indomitable? Lolololol
Sco should make video, top 10 bicep workouts to do as gamer nerd and he might have more knowledge in that area
tawny panther
Tbf bhaj has him beat on that front
signal plover
I mean scos video was from a world top race perspective where the most important thing is dmg smoothing. Monk/guardian will always have AM advantage there. I didn't rly agree with it since we do have solid cooldowns to cover SB gaps but he also wasn't explicitly wrong.
The biggest take away from the vid was that all tanks are relatively close for raiding imo
tawny panther
Hey don't look at this logically, that's not how internet kneejerking works
signal plover
O word
main vault
Actually
The biggest take away from his video is that Monk and Bear are both over 20% better than the next tank
tawny panther
Tanks are close, and warrior has a car door to hit things with, best tank.
sick sentinel
we just needed some "heal" and we are good
signal plover
20%?
main vault
Yes
sick sentinel
atm we need a healbot at our feet
tawny panther
I thought it was like 2%
signal plover
20% what?
main vault
Because if you want to apply logic to justifiy him
He gave Monk a score of 15.5
Anbd other tanks 12.5
20% more than 12.5 is 15
signal plover
Tbh his weighing system was kinda meh
full spruce
I plan on playing all 6 soooo whatever
signal plover
But ok sure 20% difference in Sco's subjective rankings
main vault
You say tank are close
sick sentinel
method will roll with druid monk, but they are the 1% of the 1% of wow players, for us peasent mythic raiders any tank will do if he can play decently
signal plover
Would u disagree and say they're not?
main vault
when 90% of the wow playerbase will look at that damn chart and say "omg every tank is shit other thank Monk and Bear"
I do think they are
His video did not represent that
sick sentinel
they will say that cause they check noxxic guides
unkempt hazel
any idea how will prot fair in bfa compared to other tanks?
signal plover
At least marok finally infiltrated icy veins
sick sentinel
@unkempt hazel all tanks are fairly equal, some shiny here some there
main vault
Yeah, but now there is wowplus lul
signal plover
Wtf is wowplus
unkempt hazel
thanks, that's good to know
main vault
wowplus makes noxxic look like 2010 EJ
signal plover
Kekekekek
sick sentinel
link?
main vault
tawny panther
I'm confused if this wowplus is meant to be transhpandaren or good
amber siren
Tf is wowplus
main vault
Its complete fucking garbage
But its being soild as "another way to play" and "guides and sims arent the only way"
west vigil
oh my god
sick sentinel
BEST SERVED COLD POGCHAMP
main vault
Its a whole website of memes
west vigil
wowplus logo is the best
tawny panther
It even opens saying it's just feels not proper thought haha
main vault
Yeah he and I got into it one day
sick sentinel
Noxxic got their talents right, no explanation tho
main vault
He said guides can be opinions
west vigil
feelycraft is the best thing
sick sentinel
Revenge whenever available.
west vigil
@main vault are you in the hunter discord too
sick sentinel
xD
main vault
He is also world 15k and only killed 2 mythic bosses all xpac
west vigil
name seems familiar
tawny panther
I like to feel my own craft but based on someone's in depth testing from online :P
main vault
Im in all of them, but yeah I was a Hunter regular at start of xpac
west vigil
thought so
amber siren
"These pages are written with some sim-crafting and researching, but we also have some feel-craft involved"
Hmmm
tranquil sand
it also includes visual awesomeness in the calculations so its a very well rounded approach
tawny panther
Yep. Top notch way to lose confidence in the opening lines
"some" research, and feels
main vault
Go ahead and flip through others
The Blood one is super meme
And the Monk one is lulz
sick sentinel
😄
main vault
Thinking his site if feelycraft because he knows fuck all about math
sick sentinel
shhh
sick sentinel
he is a special snowflake
west vigil
@main vault maybe he does his tweaks with an abacus
so he's happy he has less work
after stat squish
main vault
SimC on papyrus
west vigil
who trusts machines anyway
amber siren
I hate that I was introduced to this website, I have to keep looking but I don't want to
astral crystal
jesus christ wowplus is the antivaxxer's alternative to class discords/icy veins
tawny panther
Holy shit that made me legit laugh then people look at me in the officr
candid iris
wowplus @astral crystal what is that? O_o
timid jay
Its a big meme
sick sentinel
GUYS I have a challenge, Cutting edge "insertboss" using those guides
strong forum
People will take it serious though monkaS
tawny panther
My world has been made a bit brighter on this day
strong forum
Well those who believe in that mostly deserve what they get
sick sentinel
We need intellect to have more magic resist monkaS
main vault
Best part is his progress
But I will say, without a doubt
He has the crispiest name
*s
amber siren
those math names tho
sick sentinel
what's his progress?
main vault
2 months between hc aggramar and hc argus
sick sentinel
im a 6/11 antorus, but damn
(my guild derped 😦 )
hc argus was hard
then nerfed it day 2
sick sentinel
Kappa
strong forum
Lul hc progression in 2018
sick sentinel
you got me there
west vigil
is this the equivalent to that acapella kid meme that popped up like a month ago
a kid going "hey i can do that too" and recording himself doing the mortal combat theme
strong forum
Choosing best served cold alone gave me terminal aids
main vault
Its ok he made the mistake of talking in Blood just now
tawny panther
He even has misuse of your you're etc, so I don't think it's even spell/grammar checked. For a website .
strong forum
Well that happens quite a lot.
Which is baffling to me
your you're, their there they're
So simple yet so many fuck it up
Same as should've would've could've.
It's not should of, would of, could of
tawny panther
I feel they should include yore in the difficulty
I wanna see more people using that word. It's a good word.
strong forum
Well that's yore opinion
tawny panther
👌
strong forum
Happy about the arms buff, though. 2 hard nerfs back to back are harsh
And since they reverted Saturdays hotfix they must've realised that as well
uneven mason
Yeah, liking that
Since it was our AE that was out of control for ARms, not overall damage, they underped and brought us back up a bit, reduced the real troublemakers
steep condor
anyone levelling as prot in pre-patch?
or wait.. IS there any levelling in pre-patch? 😃
blissful vessel
Nope.
steep condor
lol.. ok ignore above question.
i plan to stay prot.. as in level as prot. I'm hoping i can bore people to death in world pvp.
blissful vessel
All you get in pre-patch is class changes, war of thorns and new catch-up mechanics
steep condor
what are catch-up mechanics?
blissful vessel
After doing the War of Thorns questline, you'll unlock WQs in Darkshore that grants good gear and items
steep condor
ahh ok cool
thanks
i only have one prot leggo.. the weight of earth. Tomorrow I should be able to choose my next one as i have 1k wakening essence. Are the manacles the best ones to get?
blissful vessel
At this point I don't think that it matters a lot. For my part, I'll grab KJBW because it seems quite useful for leveling
blissful walrus
I agree with Thorrium.
KJBW looks pretty legit
I wish they had done some better work with Prot for BFA
Seems prot is getting sidelined again =\
chrome harbor
prot should still be pretty good, they have strong mitigation and great CDs... just the self sustained they're weak with
if anything middle of the pack would be my guess which im fine with
blissful walrus
Yea the other classes have huge sustainability which is disappointing. Victory Rush is a joke when it comes to dungeon sustainability
If they changed Victory Rush to usable after a successful block or parry then it would make it more viable
slate remnant
Prot is weak compared to ironfur and stagger though. And both pala and dk has niche abilities.
But as a backbone warr is strong, and fun
real monolith
prot is like, true middle of the pack
slate remnant
But compared to low risk high reward druid with roar and selfheal they are weak
real monolith
good for m+, good for raids, doesn't stand out enough to get nerfed, but is still viable until like bleeding edge stuff
slate remnant
With 2nd stats like haste meaning little they fall off later aswell
True
We are at the mercy of a good 8.1 buff tho
real monolith
well once you can get 100% Sb uptime and start stacking mastery or vers you become really meaty
honestly just fix the bolster tier
slate remnant
Ya
real monolith
remove never surrender and buff indom
chrome harbor
didnt they completely curbstomp secondary scaling on gear?
real monolith
a little but the more buffed primary stats
secondaries only really apply when comparing equal ilvl
since strength directly affects your dr
slate remnant
Nah. 2nd stats scale garbage tbh
chrome harbor
yea I like the str to armor change
but I Think they did purposfully change it so that over the course of teh expansion your secondaries wont scale as much as they have
slate remnant
We might se a haste increase of 6% through bfa
That said, warrior has a very interesting defensive spell pool
chrome harbor
6%? I think i can get that on a single ring atm
real monolith
yeah warrior has the saving grace of always having a cooldown for the situation
chrome harbor
warmode morale killer with BV is fun, constant DS lol
slate remnant
Atm i feel warr i way punishing compared to monk and druid though
16s cd and 60 rage sb is a douche
ember arrow
pvp?
slate remnant
But itl be fun
ember arrow
ye
but war was more punishing than those 2 in legion too
so thats not exactly a surprise nor a difference
slate remnant
I stand corrected
ember arrow
less than legion but more than the beforementioned classes
chrome harbor
keeps it exciting imo
real monolith
prot is pretty fun compared to bear and monk
ember arrow
monk tank is the stagger ability
slate remnant
Monk is semi broken due to magic gimp too
real monolith
actually gotta work for it
real monolith
every class is magic gimped
slate remnant
Ever
ember arrow
we got SR boiss
chrome harbor
yea i feel like im hibernating while playing bear
real monolith
spell reflect only blocks 1 spell now
real monolith
yeah and a low cd
ember arrow
dont forget its not only a reflect
real monolith
we def have some of the best magic dr
with last stand, SR, and demo
as well as ip is decent at it too
ember arrow
and raidbosses and dungeon bosses dont usually cast reflectable spells
sick sentinel
is reflect good in BfA for m+
sick sentinel
cool
real monolith
like in shrine of the storm, the 2nd last boss does a volly that does 60k dmg
if you reflect it
chrome harbor
times like that I really do love bein a war, though I'll have to readjust to SR not being full duration again
sick sentinel
yeah its sad that its gone it was so useful for dungeons like arcway and coen where you could reflect 10 ability and do insane damage back
sick sentinel
but reflect is good design spell i like it
chrome harbor
are abberations still unblockable?
compact sigil
i've tanked for the last several expansions, but this will be my first time main tanking as a prot warrior, I leveled a HMT warrior for it, pretty excited
real monolith
HMT is bawler
compact sigil
yeah, i'm a fan so far
real monolith
im goblin all the way this xpac t ho
i love tanking stuff so big as a class so small
sick sentinel
yeah i love dwarfs but went nightelf for shadowmeld
back to dwarf this xpac
dark iron looks dope
strong forum
Dwarf master race
compact sigil
i like the way most armor looks on a tauren and transitioning from DH tank, so the extra charge to help with mobility appealed to me
lilac thorn
do we know what t21-2pc will be?
real monolith
nothing
compact sigil
i'm excited to get in some mpluses tonight and try the block changes out
real monolith
but our 4pc is nutty broken
lilac thorn
nothing sounds like it's not that much. but for real, any news on it?
real monolith
at 120 the tooltip literally says it doubles my ip
no like
it does nothing
its still tied to battle cry
olive fiber
Rip
lilac thorn
oh cmon. it was by far my favourite tank bonus
ember arrow
yes
olive fiber
Lmao
final mist
And you have to anyways if you want to use the 4pc, which is beyond broken
sick sentinel
Sal, I'm hyped to see Argus hc solos as prot Warrior
real monolith
not exactly
you more than double your original ip whenever you block though
so like perma 50% dr
compact sigil
i'm so sad i never got the 4 piece from the sounds of it lol
sick sentinel
^^
olive fiber
So, to take advantage of the 4 pc are you just refreshing it ever 12 seconds or dumping all your extra rage into it ASAP?
real monolith
just refresh it when it falls off
sick sentinel
I'm still leveling my Brewmaster the next three weeks. Gotta be safe with that tank spot t_T
ofc
olive fiber
Lol
primal yacht
Yeah no joke... It hurts that Prot is going to be kind of a letdown. Didnt play beta, is it as bad as it seems?
ember arrow
olive fiber
Who said it’s a let down?
sick sentinel
Nah, I tanked myth progress as prot warrior. The pain lasted long enough. Seeing it getting worse; why bother?
ember arrow
what is happening
final mist
sick sentinel
According to my guildleaders, yes
real monolith
i loved doing more healing than healers
primal yacht
From gameplay vids it just seems like (in BFA) everything else can do something better
real monolith
was true monkagiga
real monolith
it's not the best at anything, but its not bad at anything
sick sentinel
Nah, had end of term stuff to do. Now 6 weeks of awesomeness
real monolith
its just really solid
you have lots of cds, utlitiy, mobility, good phys and magic mita
compact sigil
I havent played beta, I'm looking forward to play warrior regardless, class tuning will happen over time, i'm not super worried about how they look currently
uneven mason
TFW the gameplay vids are made by people who never use their major CDs, on the tank thats niche is to have nearly 100% uptime on their CDs
real monolith
you do kinda get whited to death and really need a healer but thats all tanks
final mist
We look more than fine.
primal yacht
Never said I was dismissing it. The info ive gathered this far seems as if its mediocre. Looking forward to giving it some time after todays patch goes throughb
final mist
We're above average compared to the other tanks.
real monolith
yeah honestly lol, and our dps is pretty good so threat isn't a big issue
with our tclap buff its true carnage
uneven mason
"Warriors are pretty weak" - Dude who has Shield wall off CD and leaves demo shout on CD half the time
final mist
The people who do videos for the tanks and classes in general are mediocre players that rush out videos to make money.
final mist
They don't main the classes.
sick sentinel
Ok, then it's all m+ tanks on beta playing warrior being awful
Gonna try it myself then. Warrior is first 120 anyway
compact sigil
with the wakening essence change, i know leggos arent a huge deal since they will be dead at 116, but anything i should be going for while I can?
final mist
If you've seen Sense or myself or any other Prot Warrior stream beta stuff, you'd see exactly how good the class can be.
uneven mason
Belt
uneven mason
your Demo shout belt, combined with the W PVP talents
sick sentinel
Sense first steps into dungeons were awful tbh
uneven mason
will make leveling laughable
compact sigil
aggramars stride?
real monolith
yeah boots are op
compact sigil
if so I believe i have those
real monolith
so fast
final mist
Anyone stepping into dungeons for the first time is going to have mistakes, Becks.
uneven mason
Its a jarring shift from live to BFA mechanics
final mist
Expecting someone to hop in and immediately be successful is just false.
real monolith
the main difference
sick sentinel
Not Sense performance, but the warrior's
uneven mason
so yeah your first few times tanking in BFA you're going to get your junk crushed
real monolith
is that y our healer can't be shit
sick sentinel
But thats a couple of month back
real monolith
healers are the #1 reason tanks look bad now
compact sigil
i dont have thundergods vigor tho
real monolith
except vdh
uneven mason
You have to pay attention to your Shield Block gaps
compact sigil
so i will try to get that one first
real monolith
your healer has to be on top
uneven mason
is a big one as well
real monolith
yeah
final mist
You mean early, early on when the spec was still heavy in development compared to other tanks?
final mist
And why talk about then, when we're taping about right now?
olive fiber
What shield was sense using when he was streaming last?
sick sentinel
Gonna check out newer footage. But has any Warrior done m+ > 12 alrdy?
real monolith
oh thats a big one actually
final mist
He has a heroic raid shield IIRC.
real monolith
warrior DOES need a good shield
sick sentinel
Seeing DHs and BrM bragging hurts
real monolith
that's their crutch
final mist
Check some of his vods Becks, I'm not sure what he's done on stream.
olive fiber
But he was busy AF so I didn’t ask lol
final mist
But I can tell you that we're more than fine for M+.
compact sigil
also, if anyone could direct me to a recent stream of some mplus warrior prot action, that would be appreciated, I'm not trying to work at work today
real monolith
BRM is like the exception to the rules kind of, tanks are either good at raiding, meh for m+, vice versa, or monk. warrior and pally are like t he middle ground ish
sick sentinel
Happy to hear that!
final mist
Chilled, check out Sense's twitch for past broadcasts (his twitch is snse)
compact sigil
ty!
olive fiber
What ilvl is 970 getting squished too?
olive fiber
Hmm
sick sentinel
How's speed faring? GOt 148% MS atm on live. Is it going to drop significantly?
olive fiber
I’m going to be switching between my warrior/dk/monk
Which were 970ish
Are live servers back up?
At work 😐
final mist
They won't be back up for a few hours at the very least.
primal crypt
olive fiber
I’m okay with that
chrome harbor
just in time for east coast to come home from work, man its gonna get backed up
uneven mason
Blizzard timetable is GMT -7
Everyone in the world should just change to GMT
always
it'db e great, going to work at Noon every day as the sun came up
wild hamlet
Sorry to just jump in here
Is prot actually ok for raiding and M+ and there are just a vocal minority saying otherwise?
chrome harbor
prot can do anything just fine, dont listen to doomsday
dull wagon
I believe Prot is going to surprise a lot of people. There were some vids produced by people who didn't really know how to play the class that are casting prot in a negative light.
ember arrow
prot did surprise people in legion too
chrome harbor
yea stay away from 'ranking tanks!' videos on youtube