Melees from the back are unblockable
#protection
brazen hound
Okay gotcha, knew about the rear attacks and magic
stark sage
bliz is pretty inconsistent on blockable attacks, you kinda just need to learn what is and isnt
vocal nimbus
You can find a list of blockable things in the pins
undone sun
maws from hounds and some shadow melees like the eels from miss sass and the reflections from MKJ
brazen hound
MKJ?
vocal nimbus
mythic kiljaeden
undone sun
mythic kil'jaeden
brazen hound
Ah
So for example, King Ymiron’ dark smash would be a poor time to use the artifact ability since it’s shadow damage
undone sun
yes
brazen hound
Slash*
undone sun
neither
brazen hound
That’s AoE right?
undone sun
not because it's aoe
there are plenty of aoe abilities that are reflectable and/or blockable
vocal nimbus
You can only mitigate harbaron's scythe with spell reflect by a 50%
brazen hound
Ah okay
vocal nimbus
Also, damage of skills reflect back to the caster are halved because the game counts first the 50% damage reduction and then the reflection
If im not wrong
@undone sun ^
?
undone sun
i'm looking it up, i don't recall that being a thing though
nah, almost certainly not reduced
maw 24t
vocal nimbus
Some months ago there was a heated debate about this topic
Better if it isnt reduced i guess
merry cave
Thyme I didn't think ymiron toon damage from reflected dark slash
Or is that what the first ss shows
undone sun
all reflected damage is redirected back at the caster
there are deflects where the damage is just negated but i don't recall that being in legion
maybe the shadow boss on desolate host
but all reflected damage is redirected back
brazen hound
@undone sun so spell reflect doesn’t do anything for dark slash?
vivid sage
can't you SR curator pools but it doesn't hit him
undone sun
no, it does
it's a full reflection @brazen hound
@vivid sage correct, forgot about curator
cinder pasture
Not too relevant anymore, but there's also the big meteors on KJ being blockable
amber siren
What do you mean? Afaik it does what it says on the tin
cinder nova
Does it scale with Stamina?
Or is it just Lvl * 3
Because 330 at 110 is less than .2% of most attacks
undone sun
1.8% of stamina
cinder nova
Okay maybe I'm a retard but
at my current stamina count that's like 25K
Is that... anyone else seeing those numbers?
undone sun
what is your stamina exactly
cinder nova
140K with change
140K * .18
The tooltip says
stam * .0003 * 60
Which puts it at 2.5K
Which seems way more reasonable.
cinder nova
Oh you know what
I'm a retard
It should be 140K * .018
Hah
That explains a lot
brazen hound
Anyone have some advice on common mistakes they see new prot warriors do while tanking either raids or high end mythics? (M15-17 is the highest I’ve ever gone personally)
barren lance
do we have a prot netherlight weight import?
amber siren
afaik we don't since ilvl > everything, the only trait that doesn't follow that rule is bastion since it's such a huge defensive bonus
@brazen hound Probably not understanding how strong spell reflect can be, with legs you can SR every dark slash from Ymirion for example
merry cave
@brazen hound ive gotten reasonablly high in keys. Big mistakes is not kiting soon enough, way to many try to face tank stuff. Using leggos appropriately and when to swap between which takes some learning. and saving cds on trash for some reason
sick sentinel
- always keep enough rage for block if you are charging in a pack use wall often if needed you will get it back so fast anyway
uneven crag
what should I shoot for % wise on my stat weights for protection?
timid jay
As much haste as you can without sacrificing ilvl
uneven mason
Dunk to give you a better idea of thinking of stat weights, ilvl wins because our best 2 stats are Armor and Str, so the 2ndaries only come into play when you're looking at two equal ilvl peices, in which cause haste and mastery beat vers and crit....
caveat to that is, getting the 2p T21 bonus, cause that's worth a pretty hefty amount of ilvl due ot the rage generation
wise lily
sup yall so ive got a question
so ive always mained fury and recently got into arms
and finally gonna learn protection
how viable and fun is protection in m+?
and should i get seperate gear with different stats than the fury and arms one?
timid jay
Prot works fine in m+, you wont be breaking any records with it but you can do 20+ just fine
uneven mason
^
uneven mason
We're probably the "beefiest" tank for M+ but don't have the utility which enables speed runs
when you get down to it
wise lily
aha so same stat priority as fury and arms ?
wise lily
aha great thanks! but one more thing
never tanked before and im at max level, should i just go and do low m+ for training?
after reading icy veins
and yt vids and stuff
timid jay
I'd recommend reading the pinned guide
uneven mason
Approach tanking as a warrior like you were DPSing, but you get to pull now.
You'll get used to keeping shield block up, and hitting IP when you have enough rage
and when to use your CD (often)
signal plover
@wise lily read pinned guide and not icy veins. IV has some slightly misleading information
wise lily
ah got it im taking a look at it rn
warm heath
Hi all - i ve been trying the mage tower this week and can pass phase 1 consistently but am struggling with kruul and twisted reflection. Spell reflect doesnt seem to work for me and orbs dont seem to clear the debuff. Is that normal? I guess i dont clear the adds quick enough and reflect their spell?
glacial sage
I don't think the orbs actually clear your debuff, I believe they only interrupt him
onyx vessel
Interrupt it
onyx vessel
If you can't git gud or reroll
timid jay
Spell reflect for the adds "only" reduces damage taken, most people save spell reflect for the twisted reflection
Since you'll get a big heal from that
warm heath
Ah right makes sense. Heard a guide saying orbs cleared it
silk mortar
@onyx vessel ?
onyx vessel
Heh
silk mortar
Whats even the point of saying that man >.<?
onyx vessel
Games hard
warm heath
Yeah but for some reason reflect doesnt work. Guess it picks up the adds still alive
vocal nimbus
@timid jay didnt SR reflect the netheeadds damage back to them?
onyx vessel
It is suppost to be reflectable but i never did i just interrupted it
Dont need the healing tbh
onyx vessel
If you need help get a weak aura for it
silver tangle
so what ilvl will i need for tanking hc ? leggos are talentring and argusring,no t-set and will get the darkmoon trinket,got 940 right now
onyx vessel
If you talented indom theres your problem
timid jay
Depends a lot on skill and your group, with a good group its doable as low as 900, but if you want to play it safe 930+ will be more than enough
onyx vessel
Get 2 set asap
warm heath
I have WA and use reflect but what i think happens is by the tine the cast finishes the reflect is already used for adds who are still alive. Ok will just interrupt. thanks all
uneven mason
Tanked my first HC run at 920~ its certianly doable, have to pay attention to your CD use...by 935 and 2p you can basically autopilot everything but for Argus and Dogs
onyx vessel
To him
uneven mason
Uh, I don't think you can interrupt his Twisted Reflection as a warrior
iirc the other classes can but warriors must use SR
warm heath
Debuff on me
onyx vessel
Debuff on him if you reflected it
warm heath
Yeah
uneven mason
You should be reflecting it
onyx vessel
If you get the debuff wipe
timid jay
You can interrupt it
warm heath
Yep
timid jay
I did it like that
uneven mason
hrm
Ok its been a long time since i did mine, I always just made sure I had SR going into Phase 2
because it makes it stupid easy
warm heath
Ok ok. I m messing up somewhere. No worries
onyx vessel
If you have the 2 set and the belt and gloves you should rip thru p2
earnest zealot
im trying to mage tower too for prot
i dont know when i should be using defensives
timid jay
Theres no easy way to explain defensives
silk mortar
Really depends on how geared you are
timid jay
Outside of you wanting to save SR for the twisted reflections in p2 its just using them as needed
silk mortar
Feel for yourself ;3
timid jay
With AM or CD's are so short that you can basically use SW/LS if you feel like you're about to die
earnest zealot
whats the rotation for the best dps also?
im doing SS-SB-Dem Shout-revenge-thunderclap-repeat
uneven mason
SB up before SS
boost that damage
Dem shout before SS
well, with SS
boost that damage
timid jay
And you want to throw in battle cry as well, that said its covered more in depth in pins
uneven mason
^
junior ivy
@timid jay cosmo i love that you're orange !!!
i think i already said that. but ill say it again
lol
timid jay
Haha, thanks 😃
sturdy willow
wait people are happy cosmo is orange? i asumed it was to make somebody mad
tribal pasture
any tips on killing kruul? i know im probably the millionth person to ask so i appologize
brazen hound
@warm heath I have a video of the run that finally got me the Mage tower of you want to take a look at it. Spell reflect indeed works. However, what got me the win was limiting how much I was moving around
earnest zealot
this is stupid
cant get rage unless i attack the fucking guy and i cant attack when i have to keep running out of his shit on the floor around him
i get 8 stacks constantly
brazen hound
@tribal pasture#187 @earnest zealot what lego’s and ilvl are you
earnest zealot
930 with prydaz and a 950 aggramars stride
only shit i have
940 aggramars stride*
stark sage
are you under a significant time crunch
earnest zealot
not really
stark sage
overgearing the tower makes a massive difference
like acquiring the 2pc and maxing your legendaries
will be night and day
stark sage
all it takes is a lucky lfr run
earnest zealot
like i get the first guy down to 10m health within 30 seconds of the fight
cause i stay in his aura
uneven mason
the 2p gives you 5shield slams in a row during Battle Cry
stark sage
make sure you relfect the scary spell i forget its name, and use victory rush to heal as you kill the trash
uneven mason
Its a giant DPS boost hehe
timid jay
Well, almost all questions are regarding mage tower
I wonder if people are getting to it now that its permanent 🤔
undone sun
Likely
earnest zealot
fuck me
i think i wouldve actually just had it
the spell reflect didnt work on his thing so he started gaining health
but i took him down from 70m to 40m
earnest zealot
yeah
vocal nimbus
You can make an intercept macro
vocal nimbus
And charge velen
To avoid stuff
If you die with kruul being low dont release
Theres a chance korvas kills him
timid jay
Unless they fucked the fight somehow it should be reflectable 🤔
But yeah, probably safer to just interrupt
vocal nimbus
A lot of people is saying that it doesmt work
vocal nimbus
Looks like it was hotfixed
timid jay
That seems strange though
vocal nimbus
We cant go back to test it 🤷
timid jay
Oh well, heard of stranger things
digital chasm
good show
earnest zealot
FUCKKK
i wouldve just had it again
twisted reflection keeps getting off
casts so fast
deft kelp
Yeah
earnest zealot
omg
just died at 1.9m health left
they're killing him
FUCK
he had 1m health left
solar yarrow
the big thing in p2 is to not freak out and keep dragging Kruul around to minimize any ticks after he jumps on you, hold SR for twisted, unless they really did change it, though i did the tower on Tuesday at SR worked
the damage isn't as bad in p2 so your IPs will go a long way, then make sure you are using defensives for anni, but at 930+ your dps should be high enough to only get a couple annis
earnest zealot
well i died right next to the orb shit they heals you right
solar yarrow
but, as others have said, go do LFR first and get your beg on, the 2p t21 is a substantial upgrade
earnest zealot
heals you full
was like 1 inch away
that wouldve been it
he had 1m health left
solar yarrow
are yous till struggling in p1? or just p2 now?
earnest zealot
i do p1 in under a minute
brazen hound
Just p2 it sounds like
solar yarrow
if you are consistently getting to p2, then you will get it soon
you can use a cursor macro for leap to help with green shit and getting orbs if you fuck up an anni or twisted cast
and i think you can range the anni cast if you mess it up and one of the NPCs will tank it, and i think they can tank one
brazen hound
@earnest zealot are you using drums at start saving them for phase 2?
Are you also using your second pre-pot?
tribal pasture
i cant get anything done. die pretty quick in p1 but prot isnt my main spec. want to use it more next xpack.
earnest zealot
using drums on 2nd guy and using 2nd pot yeah
just got back so ill give it another go
i just started prot yesterday so 😛
brazen hound
What’s your talent setup?
timid jay
Go AM
not HR
Lemme bring up all talents because that doesnt look right
x/1/1/x/1/3/1 is what you want to go for really
For mage tower
lvl 15 row and 60 row are really just up to preference, I went storm bolt and bounding stride
cloud verge
grats
earnest zealot
is the monks tank challenge harder or?
brazen hound
Dunno, but I’ll be trying that one next. I’ve heard it’s easier to deal with the adds since you put the statue down and taunt it with a macro when the adds come out
vocal nimbus
Monk is harder imo
You have no reliable self healing
During phase 1
Phase 2 is a joke
What i did was use the taunt statue talent and pushed to a lot of stacks dpsing with bl and pot
That was before the artifact buff
slate obsidian
Did they put Warbringer on the stun dr a while ago?
undone sun
yes
slate obsidian
why tho... decided to run some 20s after doing like just petbattles for 2 months and kinda got people killed a few times
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slate obsidian
did we get our torches out?
undone sun
not like it matters, warbringer is being removed in BFA
slate obsidian
it was my favorite talent though... maybe except for AM and devastator
slate obsidian
locking mobs down for 30sec with 5 protwarrs was amazing
jagged bay
gz hunter!
molten falcon
Is ravager worth using for high M+ where kiting is required?
say..... NL on teeming, the pack with 4 pelters & 2 breakers
battle cry + ravager / stun / kite
slate obsidian
I'd rather just wait for 3 hunters over picking ravager
molten falcon
I think it would be worth it if it helps you keep threat
because those packs can rip keys
on like 22+
surviving bosses / other packs isn't a problem
but everyone else dying is
winged marsh
i mean
slate obsidian
losing tons of survivability AND damage because you don't have AM could rip the key too...
winged marsh
on those keys the tank should be going in solo, getting as much threat as possible then gtfo to kite
AM provides more damage overall throughout the dungeon, and more rage which is more survivability
shut summit
No you wouldn't use ravager
slate obsidian
yeah, finally someone is beating some sense into you
molten falcon
true
usually tank gets bopped and goes in solo
but threat just always seems to be an issue
undone sun
never use ravager
prisma crane
^ ever
severe pond
winged marsh
bold gale
I keep dying without a couple huge cd's on the first big orb soak on M Argus. Is there something I should be looking out for or is it almost all in the IP stacking before you run out?
clear sapphire
your talking about soul bomb?
bold gale
Yea
clear sapphire
are you using SR?
bold gale
Yea, it's still just so much damage
clear sapphire
Do yo uhave arrgammars trinket or using SW?
bold gale
I'm able to live through it but I feel like I'm dropping pretty low/proccing wings
I swapped to titanguard for the extra hp but I misused it the first time and haven't tried it again
clear sapphire
I use the trinket off aggramar and SR and dont dip into my HP pool
bold gale
just those 2? Or along with wall, etc..?
bold gale
oh wow ok. I'll go check the logs and compare it out. Thank you for the help 😃
clear sapphire
@bold gale look at about 3:30 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mfzk8QcDnjgBVmw4#fight=4&view=replay
sorry 2:30
bold gale
that's inhuman.
dear god I suck. That's actually hilarious it doesn't even touch your health. I was just pulling up my logs and gonna see what the overkill was. Thank you for the help I feel so stupid
lol
clear sapphire
If your the one doing it everytime that about the safest way Ive found to do it. The trinket also give you another cd for scythes
bold gale
Yea it was like my first time being the third tank so taking that out I had no real idea what to expect. I'd been holding onto deck for the passive dr on scythe but it doesn't really serve any purpose while picking up orbs or soaking the bomb
Do you also recommend using it for just normal tanking for taking the 5 scythes or more as a backup cd?
soft mica
whats the go to neck enchant? in the guide it just lists the three available
undone sun
hide defensively
satyr offensively
junior ivy
i heard satyr is best in either case basically cause hide isnt that great
is that true
i use satyr while tanking now
undone sun
defensively it's still the better option, it's really just depends on what your end goal is
merry cave
Lol holy shit, just read above must of completely missed that wb is on dr
But dk perfectly fine 🤔 🤔 🤔
mighty yarrow
fucking warbringer on stun dr at this stage of the expac, unbelievable
merry cave
Yeah Its mind blowing that prot war gets 2 nerfs to m+ but a certain other class untouched lol
Prot war secretly op
slate obsidian
Regarding the argus thing, isn't the damage transferred to you via the Avatar buff true damage? So it doesn't get affected by SR?
undone sun
it's physical damage, but it is reduced by any damage reductions
including armor
SR can help reduce the overall damage considering you still take the magic damage from being near the explosions but majority of the damage is the redirection
slate obsidian
did it, at any point, say it was true damage on the cheat sheet? I'm pretty sure I got that from there
btw why isn't that thing in the pins anymore?
undone sun
idk what sheet that is
slate obsidian
there was like a tank google doc for all the different bosses, listing blockable attacks, reflectable stuff/magic stuff for all the bosses, and later all of the dungeon bosses, too
undone sun
still pinned, https://puu.sh/ANQ7x/a9b64c7b7f.png
but i never had the redirected damage on that sheet
slate obsidian
how did I not see that... maybe masturbation does get you blind....
slate obsidian
nah, it was on another doc, was there a tank-doc specifically for argus?
undone sun
Cosmo's has damage calculation for multiple bosses including argus
i don't recall any pins changing within the past few months
slate obsidian
I found the one I meant, it's on the antorus tank doc, but I can't find what I thought was there
found it
notice the blue text
vocal nimbus
Those are pantheas notes
You can try to dm him and tell him to edit it
Although he probably doesnt care much at this momenr of the expansion
lime hull
who's good to watch for visual help on doing raids? spent all legion having done regular and H mode dungeons. Now just looking to up the anty and try doing LFR's.
coral quartz
Man i'm still struggling with the Prot mage tower xD
uneven mason
Whats yoru setup?
round vortex
@coral quartz I’ll PM you my guide. I usually get flamed for posting it here lol
coral quartz
Im running the bracers and soul of the battlelord.
uneven mason
What other legos do you have?
Bracers are fine, but soul does very little for prot in the mage tower
sick sentinel
is warbinger on diminishing return with other stuns now?
stark sage
yeah
sick sentinel
since when?
sick sentinel
was it on hotfix notes or just another ninja change?
stark sage
i didnt read it anywhere
pallid plover
@round vortex can you pm the guide too? I'm getting flattened.
undone sun
undocumented change afaik
timid jay
Just link the video here, as long as its relevant to the discussion I dont see why you couldn't do it
junior ivy
my name got added to my guild's mythic argus kill screenshot cause i was there for 75 of the 524 pulls 😄
so technically i helped.
i'm happy
timid jay
😄
pallid plover
Gz dude :)
junior ivy
i wasn't there for the actual kill though haha
vocal nimbus
7% for me last night
timid jay
getting there
pallid plover
You were there for 75 pulls of helping your guild down it
vocal nimbus
One night more i guess
pallid plover
Progression is a group achievement
junior ivy
weeks ago my guild decided that last night was the last night of raiding before BFA, whether argus died or not
they killed him on the very last pull, of the very last night
undone sun
nice
timid jay
Obligatory question, who got the mount? 😏
timid jay
Probably the best way to handle it if you only get 1 mount
junior ivy
i was watching stream all night and they were on last pull and i w as so sad and disappointed cause they weren't gonna get cutting edge so it was very exciting when they did lol
now i gotta get myself some more mythic progression..
still 4/11 lol
timid jay
If nothing, the experience will help you in BfA 😃
coral quartz
I got him to five percent and got knocked off
this is whats killing me most
Erm other leggos i have mainly fury dps ones
pallid plover
Are you using the kruul weak aura
coral quartz
Nope
undone sun
coral quartz
Thanks I'm gonna give up for now i switched my talents recommend on wow head now I can't even do the first phase. RIP
pallid plover
I saw a video that was using storm bolt for every other interrupt due to how it lines up with stacks. Thoughts?
pallid plover
Grats dude!
rocky dove
I'm going to try it right now. I already did the challenge once before as guardian
well, right now as in after I finish the questline
pallid plover
@coral quartz what ilvl?
coral quartz
I was 920 or so
rotund grail
Is there a list of the BiS relics for prot? I looked in the google docs, but couldn't find anything
rocky dove
BioS for relics is pretty impossible with the NLC
and there are 2 builds, offense and defense, and they both need entirely different relics
rotund grail
alright
coral quartz
@pallid plover I know I overgeared it quite a bit but I don't really play port xD
Prot
rocky dove
If you think that's overgearing, try doing the Fury MT. I oneshot it within 2 minutes with full consumables
that was with 930 ilvl
it's too hot right now to continue attempts (it was 30C outside today)
Did any of you just get a 65 MB patch?
pallid plover
I'm 919 on my prot and haven't done it yet, got it on on my druid aroudn that ilvl but its been a while
I got the patch
Fury was pretty easy with the command center up and lightblood
warm heath
Just Fyi, i was struggling with SR and twisted reflection and came here to ask whether it still worked yesterday. Yeah it still works, i was just playing poorly - got the appearance this morning when a bit more fresh... thanks for the help
junior ivy
think i can do fury mage tower easily?
junior ivy
k i might try it
rocky dove
What's your itemlevel?
rocky dove
Seriously? You're going to wreck that shit
junior ivy
k i hope but i am bad at fury lol
rocky dove
I did it at 930 first try with full consumables from the guide and Hekili for rotation assistance
gaunt ivy
You can steamroll Agatha in 930/940. 960 would quite honestly be a homicide instead of a challenge
rocky dove
I killed agatha in less than 2 minutes at 930. If you got 969, you can probably do it in 1
frank lava
is darkmoon deck good for tanking argus? guess ye?
timid jay
Its still a good defensive trinket, wouldnt say its really needed for argus
rocky dove
it's a variable strength stat stick. You won't have an extra CD for a Scythe though, so if your tactic relies on soaking multiple scythes with a big CD, you might want to use a different trinket
timid jay
Argus is a lot of burst physical while darkmoon is mostly against sustained, its still good but depending on argus difficulty there are other trinkets I'd probably use
frank lava
im main fury and need to equip 2 trinkets idk which 😦
avoidance is bae for scythes right?
i dont even have aggramars conv...so im a little short at def trinkets :>
(mythic btw)
timid jay
Yeah avoidance is amazing for it
But in that case DmD might be a good choice
Guessing you're going to be tanking the boss in last phase?
frank lava
i guess i will. our tank went to holiday and were at about 3% acutally
got moonglaives w/ avoidance and DMG as my actual choice
timid jay
Theres a calculator in pins for scythe damage, I'd give it a shot so you know how to plan your CD usage at least
Avoidance, armor and bastion relics can make a huge change in what cooldowns you need to survive scythes
frank lava
yea thats np i guess i somehow know timings kinda.
im avoidance capped and got 2 bastions
timid jay
Should be fine to handle scythes then, which really is the only tank danger when taking boss
frank lava
options are 900 DMD and 1000 DPS trinket :< besides that avoidance glaives
thorn spruce
@fierce juniper 😡
fierce juniper
this is a no fun zone
timid jay
🤗
thorn spruce
its not the same
thorn spruce
😦
wooden radish
you have to pay for emote access here :kappa:
ember arrow
timid jay
I would if I could 
undone sun
same
limber tulip
same
sick sentinel
sup guys
anyone here
want to try to help me
with the mage tower
940 ilvl
prot warr
torn quartz
use charge alot, take storm bolt
only get to 3-4 stacks max
use orbs as needed
make sure to have drums and pots
drums second phase
interrupt the right stuff
sick sentinel
use charge alot, take storm bolt
Storm instead of shock ?
torn quartz
stormbolt every other interupt
timid jay
I used storm bolt, was handy as a ranged interrupt
undone sun
same
sick sentinel
shit
well ill try
❤
thanks kiddos
been trying
far to long
and isnt comming out
tawdry aurora
This has turned into the mage tower channel.
pallid plover
Kinda what's left until BfA right?
tawdry aurora
Any chance there's an existing pin for it?
timid jay
Think the pin regarding it was removed a while ago
earnest zealot
yo wtf
is brewmaster monk challenge supposed to be that easy? just did it first try with sephuz at 930 ilvl
undone sun
it's all about gear
earnest zealot
i had literally no idea of tanking with him, i just geared him today with lfr gear
i was expecting it to take awhile but like, i completed it in 3 minutes
round vortex
So now my video has helped about 15 ppl all with positive feedback. I’m going to post it again. I’m not a big streamer or YouTube channel guy so no I’m not view hunting. Just want to help you guys lol
Made specifically for this discord 😁
earnest zealot
awesome vid dude
glacial sage
I just killed argus and warcraft logs isn't showing my kills or rankings for any fights
timid jay
Did you upload the log yourself?
glacial sage
Yes, but its not showing logs for anything, even fights from months ago that I remember seeing
timid jay
Huh strange, you 100% you uploaded it yourself?
glacial sage
Yeah
timid jay
And as public, not private
glacial sage
Yeah, but I really just want to know why the other ones aren't showing
glacial sage
reset?
timid jay
Its only showing logs after the reset
glacial sage
Oh, rip
undone sun
Twitter
timid jay
Since everyone got 126 traits khira archived the old logs
glacial sage
Okay, but Is there a reason I can't see the one I just did?
Because I pulled 1.28 mil on it
personal best
timid jay
If you go into detailed rankings you can see it like this
Just under argus theres view detailed rankings and it should take you to that screen
undone sun
if it was just upload it's possible it's not scored/ranked yet
glacial sage
okay
undone sun
and wont show on your character sheet
glacial sage
Healing for heroic hounds, I did over 1 mil a second
fleet crown
so can you do any 10 dungeons to unlock the red color of the challenge skins?
or well its red for prot at least
unique gale
10 different dungeons, yes
round vortex
@fierce juniper @final mist Are you guys playing together in the same raid? Just on the stream now and saw "sal" in the angry assignments? But i can't see anyone named Sal in teh frames.
Unless you're the mage?
final mist
I am indeed the Mage.
junior ivy
i just got fury mage tower on my 2nd try
sick sentinel
grats
junior ivy
ty
now the arms one.. this is scary
wtf 😦
i dunno what to do lol
as soon as the weird ice thing happens, at the start, i die
sick sentinel
cleave and ww the ice, save heroic leap for when he does his clones
junior ivy
ok. i didnt even have heroic leap on my bar
sick sentinel
ah have fun lol
just remember to save leap for the clone part and when he does it you can look at the mininap to see where the real him is
that was the hardest part for me
junior ivy
ok thanks
sick sentinel
np and gl
severe pond
jump in the same spot, then heroic leap away while in the air
next goblet
you know, i main alliance.. but at the rate my work schedule is and how the guilds performing, i think i might go horde.. they're just too disorganized for me right now.. which sucks because i've been in this guild since wrath 😦 but things change over time i suppose.. they never were like this before
wet nebula
anyoen got netherlight weights for prot surv?
i cant see anyting in pins or guides-resources
no idea how to play prot was just gonna do the mage tower >.<
sick sentinel
Question about prot mage challenge. my legendaries are limited and i only have rethus, ayalas and insig, would ayalas outperform the grand army insig with mastery or is the active on grand army worth keeping?
undone sun
the strength of insignia entirely depends on your t2 traits, that being said it's still likely better than ayalas considering it's a glorified stat stick for prot @sick sentinel
no weights @wet nebula
wet nebula
ok ty
glass nymph
How do you guys handle Shared Suffering on 20-ish keys?
junior ivy
if its tyrannical i basically tell the healer in advance ill need a bres
cause i am so bad at jumping out of it.
glass nymph
I´m bad at it aswell, whats the timing? 0.5 left?
silk mortar
Wish we could reflect that, would feel great 😉
sick sentinel
kruul is physically painful
anyone got any advice on how to handle variss? i have technically got to kruul twice but the one time i somehow died right after killing variss
lapis topaz
What specifically are you having trouble with? I watched the wowhead guide video, and Baratus ‘s video (linked above) and used them as guides.
It’s definitely not an easy fight, so don’t give up. Varies is the hard part for sure
sick sentinel
my main issue is i keep getting 1 hit by variss' mind rend ability hitting me for 2.5 mill, and im not 100% sure how to handle the adds debuff which makes his mind rend hit so hard (the little shadow boys).
vocal nimbus
You get the debuff by staying inside variss' death and decay pool
sick sentinel
also how should i manage my rage?
vocal nimbus
Theres this area around him
You get stacks which reduce your max health
You should get in for 4-5 stacks, depens on your ilvl, and get out
While you wait for the debuff to drop you should heal with victory rush
Between mind rends
sick sentinel
currently ilvl 928
vocal nimbus
Use the eyes to trigger victory rush
Wait for him to hit you with a rend
Heal on the next eye
Kill it, get another VR proc
And so on
When you drop the debuff go back in
sick sentinel
i was told to take impending victory, should i change that talent?
considering it only heals 15%
vocal nimbus
It heals 15% if you dont proc it with a kill
If you have a proc it heals the usual 30%
sick sentinel
oh ok
vocal nimbus
You can use velen's orbs to stall time too
sick sentinel
i think my issue is i kept killing the eyes to get rid of them instead of using them to heal
vocal nimbus
Dont zerg them
Just position yourself to not get knocked out when hutting variss
Back in the day you had to chain heal with the eyes
Dont spam VR either
Just wait until his mind rend hits
sick sentinel
so thingy finished him off
and i could release spirit so i did
like as in kruul
...
so after killing kruul i released spirit before i got the checkbox thing
sick sentinel
i sent a ticket in but im gonna attempt to do it while i wait for a response
lapis topaz
You know how it works now. You’ll get him
sick sentinel
yh
if i fail to beat him again the ticket better not fail because i sent in screenshot proof
i mainly have issues with variss because you need to go in his decay pool when he casts life drain
so it can make my hp bar go down fast
in numbers
sick sentinel
got to kruul and died to his green stuff
because there were 4 adds up already from the last phase
the void
i got to kruul and wiped because the netherboys aggroed on prophet
honestly i just feel like giving up at this point
smoky iron
has anyone seen any more flail type weapons in bfa so far? like the pally/warrior mage towers
merry cave
What ilvl are you those adds should go down super fast these days. The whole scenario can be beat down with dps trinkets real fast
With 2pce t21 dps should be crazy high for it compared to when it was done before
sick sentinel
ticket denied FeelsBadMan
apparently not releasing spirit is part of the quest requirement
im never gonna do it successfully now i bet you
sick sentinel
i can now consistently get to kruul
just having issues with my timing on spell reflect with twisting and the adds
timid jay
You can intercept velen to get out of it fast
timid jay
Its not super intuitive to do taht
sick sentinel
i know but i didnt think of it at the time
i was too busy spamming heroic leap to see if it would come up
wiped this time due to twisted reflections again
round hearth
any tips for mage tower? only one i have problems with even with the shit ton of boost on the artifact.
main vault
frank lava
Erm in case im dumb. Since we are able to sim for prot. Are there dps trinket sheets like there are for literally all tank speccs? Just wanna know the top 5 or so so i can target farm em
sick sentinel
I DID IT
glacial sage
gratz man
sick sentinel
i had to beat him twice, while im not the best for advice the tips i can give for kruul is to spam ignore pain kill adds asap for heal and save eyes for a victory rush refresh, ignore annhiliation boys and make sure to keep moving and try to dps down variss asap but make sure to manage your debuf stacks, dont be too greedy with heals but dont be too picky, i reccommend using them to A, interrupt bosses attacks and b to give you time to dps the nether horror things, for kruul make sure to shield reflect his twisted something attack but if you cant just interrupt as it will heal you, and most importantly MAKE SURE IGNORE PAIN IS UP AT ALL TIMES it is the thing that will save you in those clutch moments, and it saved me too many times, whether it be to have the hp to finish the boss or to allow you to get that orb make sure you have ignore pain up
lime trail
Codex + Diima's or Codex + Titanguard for general use?
undone sun
is that all you have, the first is usually better
broken kite
i'd only use TG if i had a specific mechanic i wanted to use it for
or if i had nothing better
upper spoke
dmc + diima's for mitigation of general physical damage. titan just to mitigate a mechanic, but most leggos can serve the same purpose so i wouldnt hunt one
i wouldnt chase the rng of codex
but everyone has a favorite
i like to drop diima's on my warrior and literally, just bounce
next goblet
i wonder if its possible to do mage tower at 900 ilvl and literally the worst leggos possible?
i have another prot war toon on a diff server i never really played much.. gonna give it a go lol
round vortex
I think with the concord buff you could for sure
amber siren
it's not unheard of but most people would suggest getting some easy upgrades from argus
frank lava
But you dont need titanquard for, lets say Argus, right? Most ppl seem to just go diimas
merry monolith
how are prot warriors in BFA I have heard mixed feedback
some say they are back being quite op
and some say they are shit tier
merry monolith
oh true sorry
arctic sedge
Yeah so every second day until the pre-patch we get a new artifact trait automaticall.
sick sentinel
yeah i think after 100 traits in concordance it will be pre-patch and artifacts will be just stat sticks
junior ivy
does that mean liike in arms for instance ill keep doing more and more dps every 2 days
til bfa?
sick sentinel
procs will be stronger so yeah
timber lake
what do you guys think is better for tanking highmountain tauren or tauren?
junior ivy
gnome
timid jay
The bonuses are so extremely small, just pick what you think looks the best
timid jay
Easiest way is having a paladin freedom you or a monk using tigers lust @sick sentinel
If the slow is the issue
Its not increasing damage per stack, its only a stacking slow
sick sentinel
its the dmg mostly
i had to tank cause we were lacking healers
and not the greatest tank so mislayer my defensives msotly
undone sun
Pretty much just rotating CDs, a decent IP buffer when prepared can help for the gaps where everything is on CD
sick sentinel
hey guys anything i should be doing before bfa?
broken kite
grats cat
round hornet
grats
junior ivy
ty ty
arctic sedge
Gz! Yeah, I remember that I struggled with the arms one for the longest.
river zephyr
The arms one can be cheesed pretty hard though compared to other classes
sleek aspen
just did the arms challenge, finished before frost phase ended and before 2nd add wave on 2nd phase, lol
frank lava
how much Ilvl on relic is Bastion Trait? Compared to armor? 😃 dont find anything in guide
worth*
frank lava
but i can go from 955 to 940 if its bastion, right?
vocal nimbus
yes
mild vigil
I found a guide to the Devastator guide, and it said:
"Vengeance is absolutely essential to Devastator for survivability purposes because it means that rage spent on Revenge is not wasted for the purposes of Ignore Pain; and you can’t play Devastator competently for survivability without spending rage on Revenge."
I'm using the combo of Booming Voice, Anger management, Thundergod's Vigor, and the Tier21 2-set to get an insane amount of rage on demand rougly every 1 minute, for dumping into Ignore pain.
Booming Voice is on the same talent tier as Vengeance. What should I do?
junior igloo
Guide is old (pre-Antorus)
mild vigil
So Devastator without Vengeance is fine?
junior igloo
Yes, Devastator + Booming Voice + Anger Management is the common setup with Antorus tier
mild vigil
Ok, ty
Btw, how to handle flaming in pugs when they complain of your low hp due to not having Indomitable?
timid jay
Tell them to mind their on shit
vocal nimbus
ignore
timid jay
If they dont even know indom is garbage they have no right to talk shit about prot warriors
grave grove
leave the group because it's terrible
the first warning sign is their inspecting you as if it isn't their fault
I mean, it could be your fault, but not because you don't have Indomitable
prisma crane
^
daring aspen
everyone knows real chads plays with indom
junior ivy
now that i got all mage towers done, what are some other things i should work on doing before BFA?
solemn storm
Arms i had the most fun tho
So much
maybe getting the balance of power third apperance
the mythic plus 15
junior ivy
i think igot all my appearances for prot but lemme check!
i need this..
and these..,.
round hornet
same, I hate PVP
keen cairn
lapis topaz
no, but they stop coming at you for a while
you shouldn't need to kill them, just keep aggro, keep moving so you don't get knocked back, and keep focusing Kruul
prisma crane
@junior ivy you can do those other two after legion
junior ivy
oh didnt know that krotos, thanks
delicate prism
challenge modes should be doable at 900 ilvl now yeah? With full AP unlocked.
vocal nimbus
try again with 910 argunite gear
signal plover
Farming 2 piece will help as well if you can manage to get it.
nimble solar
Is it worth equipping 930 tier 21 legs and getting 4 piece instead of a 965 crit mast leg piece
undone sun
4pc is entirely dependent on the fight, generally no though
nimble solar
Ok ty 😃
latent dune
Is Ignore pain gone in bfa? 🤔
jade socket
no
meager veldt
anyone got a few to help me with prot spec
round hornet
Just ask here
As long as youve gone over some the resources that are like pinned and stuff
gleaming thicket
Keep getting overwhelmed by adds in p1 or getting too many stacks bc stormbolt is on cd and I need to go in with pummel
Feeling like when I do get to p2 it’s luck. Got kruul to about 3% before getting knocked off
broken kite
Got 2p t21?
junior ivy
has anyone done all the chromie stuff?
verbal socket
ya its ez
undone sun
I haven't tried it since I came out, I should probably get on that
iron estuary
moldran do you have goblin glider kits?
winged marsh
its pretty easy and doesnt take too long
junior ivy
like how long would it take?
also question, how do i know which raids i have and doint have the "skip" quests done for?
does that question make sense
like is there a way i can see oh i need emerald nightmare normal, and hellfire citadel heroic still
winged marsh
think you need to be int eh raid to know
junior ivy
thats kind of annoying
winged marsh
i think I got all the rep and everything done in 2-3 hours?
junior ivy
oh thats not bad
winged marsh
yea its really fast
winged marsh
i got it done the day it came out rofl
ember arrow
right one is the one u got eq?
glacial sage
Yeah
glacial sage
kk
lapis topaz
You could sim them both too (see pins) and see which one comes out better that way. Haste is the right way to go if you haven't simmed. :D
timid jay
Sims are purely for damage though
lapis topaz
Hmm, I had it in my head that higher DPS was approx higher survival (as far as secondaries went) and that as a result sim could be used as a guideline. Searching back, I see now that I misunderstood a statement made in the past. So... TIL. Always thought it was a little too convenient.
ember arrow
5k thumbnail
timid jay
<@&257983573498265600> take it to #promotion
prisma crane
whooosh
upper spoke
will every toon have to do summons to SW for art retirement quest?
glacial sage
You will have to do it on every toon, yes
round hornet
I never trade anything
frank lava
Traits. My bad :)
glacial sage
78 in concordance
quiet heath
outer bronze
lol 😄
glacial sage
I already top the charts in my raid, so it makes sense
gaunt coyote
almost there just need 2-3 more artifact levels
sick sentinel
@jade socket
plain vapor
ive been using titanguard to soak the big bombs + both small bombs on argus but noticing top logs dont use it. is it not needed anymore and we can just survive with our cds?
ive used it for all 6 kills ive done but hesitant to try without the titanguard
undone sun
probably using the strat that doesn't soak it thus not making titanguard not needed
merry cave
Hey guys just wanted an opinion for those 11/11. our little one night guild got 10/11 last week, is it worth pushing argus or have we got no hope in the time remaining
plain vapor
depends how well you pick up the strat i guess. not sure. i think prepatch hits next week or the week after
possibly not though i dont think
tender phoenix
which legendary are the best for raiding ABT??
sick sentinel
gloves/bracers/belt
tender phoenix
thank you very much
vital oyster
Any advice on 3rd ranking mythic vari? Guild is hitting him tomorrow and I'm trying to be as prepared as possible. :/
vocal nimbus
if you are the third tank go full dps
tender phoenix
is [Smoldering Titanguard][Unstable Arcanocrystal] the BiS trinkets to go for other then the Argus legendary ??
timid jay
Trinkets depend a lot on situation
tender phoenix
for the most part
hot locust
Vast majority of cases Titanguard isn't very useful compared to other things like Diima's or a similar ilvl stat stick.
I never would have used the trinket at all during progress this tier if we didn't do the double burst+bomb strat on Argus.
So I wouldn't rate it very highly.
tender phoenix
so would [Aggramar's Conviction] be better or much worst?
hot locust
Better in most cases. Titanguard is only useful when you absolutely need it, otherwise it's really "meh"
tender phoenix
so better to just sim all trinkets till i find one that i like/ is good?
ember arrow
u cant sim defensively
tender phoenix
rip me then
cinder nova
What you can do is observe damage taken and healing done for people on the difficulty and boss you want as well as your ilvl bracket
And try and draw some common threads
slate obsidian
hey guys, what's the most stacks you've ever taken on Noura heroic?
stone mirage
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
So can someone actually explain how IP works as far as stacking the buff? Sometimes it won’t stack over 4m then sometimes it stacks to 5m and then sometimes I get 8m like I get the scales buff when it pops is a 40% boost but otherwise it doesn’t seem to make sense to me
hot locust
Its 3x the cap of your last IP
So if you have temporary buffs that increase IP value
it gets higher
if you lose those temp buffs and cast another IP
it gets lower
undone sun
Ignore Pain stacks 3 times the full 60 rage cast, with Dragon scales it'll increase a single cast and cap by 40% but if you cast another IP just after that Dragon scales IP it'll go back down to the original cap
chilly brook
Honestly seems needlessly complicated
undone sun
less complicated than stagger
chilly brook
Stagger is pretty straightforward imo just seems complicated until you understand it
Maybe that’s because I’ve mained monk for so long
hot locust
Sure if you cut out all the interactions it has, I can say the same about every mitigation type.
Stagger interactions are much less straightforward.
chilly brook
They are though at least to me
You rarely ever pause it
That’s about the only interaction that isn’t clear
Other than that purifying and when to do it comes down to how comfortable your healers are at the time
sick sentinel
hsgsjsgdhs
wooden lark
is there a minimum % of haste required for 90% uptime on shield block?
and if so what is it
amber siren
Depends on HR or AM but you shouldn't need 90% total uptime on SB, just as long as you're actively tanking which should be achievable without massive amounts of haste or HR, there aren't many fights where you're taking a boss 100% of the time
round vortex
Finally got the thing! lol
tall vale
ok so Im sure this has been asked a million times but I cant find one that works.... So Im trying to do the Mage Tower and I want a focus target Storm Bolt macro but the ones ive used from wowhead and Icy are still only hitting my current target not my Focused target any ideas?
smoky oak
#showtooltip stormbolt
/cast [@focus,harm,exists][@target] storm bolt
try this one
if you dont have a focus target it should cast on your target
serene stirrup
tbh, not being a war tank, yesterday i've tried the challenge with my 942 war with sephuz + prydaz and no set bonus i've done it in 5 tries ! just stay focus un burst the first boss ! you can get it in 2 waves of 5 stacks
then burst the final boss, and don't let him cast the self heal and you'll get it really easy
take shockwave you don't need to target anything
tall vale
kk tyvm
noble lily
Finished mage tower at 919 with shoulders and shield slam ring, took many tries but finally got it hype 😃
pallid plover
Grats dude
ember arrow
@wooden lark AM is the talent of choice. There is no min or max haste %. U dont need any % of sb uptime. U must block blockable abilities>melees
tiny spear
Hey guys is there any guide you would recommend for the mage tower appearence?
jagged bay
gz seth!
tiny spear
just finnished the prot one with 917 ilvl and the bracers. Honestly i think the fury one was harder
ember arrow
gz!
tiny spear
ty 😃
looks so dope on a highmountain tauren with the highmountain transmog and the highmountain thunderhoof
junior ivy
just had best heroic coven pug i was ever in, killed them SO fast. and we had 2 gnome tanks. not a coincidence.
sinful vortex
🤔
ember arrow
i mean if people cant kill hc bosses with a billion STR/INt/AGI/VERS
then i have even less hope than before
swift mirage
Is protection viable for leveling?
swift mirage
Well. I really like the idea of using a shield and sword. Haha.
stark sage
Yeah it's good for leveling
swift mirage
Oh thank you.
fervent cairn
a question, on enchants and gems, what i need haste, mastery o vers in bfa?
timid jay
As much as thats a question for #410902883165405214 I'd say haste, but we still dont have any concrete numbers
fervent cairn
i think, if i use itf i dont need haste but really dont know what to use
prisma crane
@swift mirage you could pretty easily argue that it's best spec for leveling as a warrior. Or at least the easiest.
next goblet
leveling as prot at lvl 37... dungeon spam?
honest mantle
AYYYYYY
timid jay
👏
honest mantle
have been twiddling my thumbs in there for months, now I have killed him twice in two days
Was orb duty peasant yesterday on my dk with 180% movespeed, now killed it in main raid
fierce ether
Any tips for a last second Prot trying to get the mage tower?
timid jay
Get a intercept macro so you can easily use it on velen in p2 to get out of the green goo
chilly brook
Best horde race for prot?
timid jay
Differences for races are so small it doesnt really matter, just play what you think looks nice
timid jay
🤔
chilly brook
And I'm pretty much sold on Zandalari but who knows when they'll be out
halcyon niche
Color looks nice on you tho
vocal nimbus
@ makebloodgreatagain abortus? 🤔
timid jay
You guessed it
vocal nimbus
please call him abortus
sick sentinel
abort me
chilly brook
@timid jay should I enchant heavy hide on the neck? Or mark of the claw?
hot locust
depends on if you want offense or defense on your neck really
if your going for defensive value, heavy hide.
jagged bay
congrats fraytrain
swift mirage
What would be some good professions for a warrior prot?
undone sun
whatever you personally would benefit more from, none of them are specifically better for any given class
storm slate
Does prot have any synergy with Drape of Shame?
ember arrow
No