if he uses tempest intervene an ally out, and then back in. If he does foe, ezpz.
#protection
hot locust
hot locust
I always did first one because I took the first on prog
SR for sure
I usually also have LS up from second foe
hot locust
I feel you, Aggramar is the only fight I find fun to mess around on anymore.
hot locust
Take extra Argus scythes last phase. π
undone sun
Perfect reason to do it
true bear
π€
hot locust
Think of how great you'd do if you took 8 each time. π
dry crane
hot locust
Yikes
vocal nimbus
Can yoshi city please leave this channel?
zinc trail
My t20 pieces are only 915-920 (though I have 935 gloves). Should I still go for 4pc t20/2pc t21 or does 945+ t21 outweigh that?
hot locust
I'd drop the 4p at that point for sure.
Pretty big gamble after that as to whether or not 2p/2p is better or just running 2pT21 at that point. Depends on your off pieces and stuff.
zinc trail
So 4pT21 is not worthwhile?
vocal nimbus
Just on certain bosses and m+ trash
And wouldnt 2p/2p be pretty shit?
Without reducing BR cd with each slam t20 is a bit meh
hot locust
It's still an extra bit of rage every 45 seconds. and yeah you can just drop it all together. I held on to it for a while during progress but dropped it almost immediately after.
4pT21 is ok defensively @zinc trail just not anything crazy.
zinc trail
Ok thanks!
steep condor
hmm arachnid bloke.. you there?
send me a message .. you seem to have blocked me π
ember arrow
Nope
upbeat sigil
hey i have a question , warriors only parry/block from frontal cone (180*) but doge 360Β° or?
or has this changed over the years
steep condor
@ember arrow nope you dont want to message me? or nope you didnt block me?
ember arrow
I didnt block
steep condor
werid its working now.. just /msg you the error
ember arrow
@upbeat sigil block/parry/dodge is only possible on frontal 180 degrees
upbeat sigil
thank you , i guess that counts for guardian druids aswell? i have seen many running away ( with back to boss) . that kinda arouse my question in the first place
undone sun
yes, for everyone
ember arrow
Everyone yes
Oh ok
Lightning thyme
Guardians can take melee hits in the back easier generally
Or that player didnt bother to strafe
upbeat sigil
alright thanks guys
primal yacht
Having only watched videos how is Prot looking in BFA? General viability/how fun is the spec? Fury and Arms are looking pretty fun, I hope they do prot some justice.
undone sun
viability is pretty good, fun is entirely subjective though
primal yacht
icic. As long as things function mechanically I can probably manage whatever falls short in terms of gameplay.
sick sentinel
lol fairly new player with only one other character, but oh my lord just used my lvl 100 boost on a warrior. All i've done so far is get my prot artifact and running around valshara.....but holy cow this spec tickles me rofl.
no idea what im really doing, just trying to click what lights up at this point. but fun stuff!
junior ivy
what ilvl should i have to tank heroic antorus on my boosted horde prot warrior?
right now im 909
sick sentinel
is ignore pain off the GCD yet?
timid jay
If you want to have a easy time I'd say 930+
Just normal antorus gear should cover you more than fine
junior ivy
i tanked a little bit of normal at 890 ilvl lol
timid jay
Issue is just getting into groups with lower ilvl
junior ivy
true i was basiclaly carried last night
signal plover
No one will take a 909 warrior into a heroic pug
junior ivy
yeh i guess im just so bored on wow and dying to get my horde warrior playable
fleet summit
I need to work out why my 944 warrior is more squishy then my 931 monk is when doing normal antorus
fleet summit
Not on me right now
ember arrow
Or anything particular u got trouble witg
fleet summit
Actully heading to work lol
ember arrow
Then the statement "squishier than monk" isnt really helpful. Would love to help u out once u got any examples/talent setup etc
fleet summit
High command was the boss i saw big spikes in damage the most
fleet summit
SB?
fleet summit
O ofc
ember arrow
U can have 100% uptime when swapping at 3
Nothing else does tank dmg
So im not sure what it is
fleet summit
Thats good to know. I usually swap when DBM yells at me
fleet summit
I do need to work on collecting better legendary's tho
ember arrow
Legendaries wont make u suddenly unkillable
ember arrow
Normal it shouldnt matter at all on your ilvl
fleet summit
It has a longer cd cant use it for every 2nd one
ember arrow
Prot war is best tank fir vari. Since ignore pain ignores heal immunity
U can use it every 2
SR/SW SR/LS
for example
If spell reflect had bit shorter cd, it couldve been used every slash even
fleet summit
Ya ik wish it was
On my monk i just chug down some iron akin brew and clear my stagger for shadow strike and never had an issue
timid jay
If you can do vari on monk then it should be way easier on warrior
Monk has the hardest time for any tank spec on that fight
fleet summit
If u dont clear ur stagger after taking misery then yes ur pretty much dead because of the damage of ur stagger
undone cargo
Finally did the prot mage tower, that was alot easier then I expected. (of course I overgeared it a good bit lol.)
ember arrow
Gz!
lilac venture
is the chrono shard good for prot warriors
neon jay
rly
ember arrow
@lilac venture not terrible but decent dps trinket
junior ivy
where is somewhere i can take nice screenshots?
junior ivy
ooo maybe ill do that
winged marsh
also hi @junior ivy π
junior ivy
hi!
i've been playing my horde warrior a bit. did all of normal antorus
at 880 ilvl π
winged marsh
oof
limpid pawn
hey
got a question
I have the following trinkets: was wondering which combo is best for tanking heroic argus
960 Writhing heart of darkness. 940 aggramar's conviction. 945 eye of shatug, 945 apocalypse drive, 945 riftworld codex
also 935 smoldering titanguard
undone sun
conviction+eye of fharg(strength/versearmor)/whod
undone sun
right, strength version was the main focus
limpid pawn
oh ok
and why that over the writhing heart of darkness?
the heart gives me like 9% damage reduction when 3 stacks of the debuff are up
undone sun
yeah it mostly just depends on what your goal is, offensive vs. defensive
sleek scarab
hello guys
vocal nimbus
Hi
sleek scarab
I need some advice in terms of gear/stats
Im having trouble sustaining high dps
what stats and trinkets should i be focusing on
sleek scarab
I have and im still not reaching those sims
sleek scarab
is it my rotation then? because I have performed fairly well but am still having trouble with sustain dps
vocal nimbus
In a certain fight/situation?
sleek scarab
yeah for example dogs
i cant parse a 99
still stuck on 96
but i have 99s on all the other fights
not too sure if im missing something
vocal nimbus
Just post the log in #449510248579858432
hot locust
Are you stacking dogs?
hot locust
Then yeah, you can definitely get higher most likely. Try #449510248579858432 like Soulwalker said.
sleek scarab
ok thanks guys!
vocal nimbus
Parsing questions trigger my abrodus PTSD
jade socket
undone sun
yikes
upbeat sigil
Has anyone had similar experiences with Dragon Charge? PVP talent. For me it works 10% of the time. IN BGs: Just "charge" forward often slower than running speed. Sometimes it goes on cooldown with nothing happening at all. It rarely works as intented. Am i doing something wrong?
fleet crown
i still seem to not be able to do the mage tower... anyone else give up on it?
dusk badge
What part are you struggling with?
I did mine like June 2017 or something, Found it trivialised by shoulders/bracers combo
Knockbacks were easily corrected
uneven mason
Shoulders/Sephuz here, benefit of mobility cannot be overstated.
dusk badge
Yeah shoulders were just so good
uneven mason
Can even interrupt some casts with leaping out of range
then get another one with a charge back in (triggering Sephuz)
dusk badge
Saved me from so many knock backs and leaping for orbs
I took movespeed on kill buff food as well
The name escapes me
uneven mason
Bear Tartare
dusk badge
Ah, course π
uneven mason
Cause eating raw meat gives you the runs
wispy tapir
Hey guys....almost got M Argus down but had a quick question. My warrior co-tank doesn't really appear to be soaking many rent soul orbs. In your experience (those who have downed it as prot) are you having a hard time soaking these or do you save anything in particular or wear anything in particular to soak them specifically if you are also boss tank?
fleet crown
well i mean i can always get the first phase to about 15-20% ive only seen the second phase once and apparently died instantly so i mean, and i just got the bracers so
timid jay
I rarely soak souls, the 3rd tank usually has that covered
Prot isnt especially good at soaking them
But if I had to I'd probably use legs at least
wispy tapir
Gotcha. Just wondering how much you soak when that 3rd tank takes the boss post tre-rez tank rotation with the other main tank, etc.
We're running Monk and Warrior (boss tanks) and DK (3rd / soak tank). Monk and DK are soaking 600-1.2b worth of dmg over the course of 18 wipes and the warrior is barely breaking 350m.....??
timid jay
Me and my boss-cotank soak maybe 2-3 orbs during p3
We leave almost everything for the 3rd tank
fleet crown
damn it 12% on second phase... lol
uneven mason
No other legendaries Noxxer?
fleet crown
well i had the gloves and belt i literally just got the bracers
ima catch some sleep and try before ya know 3rd shift life, so i mean i been using bracers and shoulders
seems to be the best strat for me atm
stark sage
do you have the 2pc tier?
stark sage
it helps a lot with cheesing the phases
with a ton of burst dps
may be worth your time running through LFR or pugging normal
fleet crown
im 920 something all pvp and m+ 5 man gear
yeah it just maybe
i mean i have a few more weeks, idk if its rumor but i hear its on a timer and then will not be obtainable agahin
so kinda want to get the prestige ya know
uneven mason
right mage tower will be going away with prepatch so 2-3 weeks tops
get your 2p
its ungodly burst
fleet crown
yeah thats what i figured so ill be able to get 2p and build up some more gear im not stressing it yet
uneven mason
you can basically do Phase 1 by just going nuts on him with Battle cry and then dealing with adds while battle cry cools down
fleet crown
hopefully i mean i have terrible luck so all i did was arenas near the 1800 area
inner kernel
I can vouch for the 2p. I just got it last night and it makes the mage tower so much easier
fleet crown
word ill be trying to get that soon
fading rover
does someone have a wa that shows ignore pains uptime and also the remaining dmg it prevents in 1 icon
undone sun
lapis topaz
I really like the bar version of the above ^^
dusk locust
seconded, the bar is great
prisma crane
@wispy tapir @timid jay i soaked about 22 orbs on our first kill, no legs or anything special
just have to try to stay near the boss and soak them as they get close to the group, save SR or another CD if you have to soak some far away
wispy tapir
ty
prisma crane
yea, but fwiw
if you do 2 tank it
the tank that takes Argus second in the last phase soaks a lot more orbs
at least with our strat
i was just looking through, and now that we have a different roster i had to take him first and my orbs soaked was cut in half
round hornet
Do you two tank it just for the extra dps?
prisma crane
yea
we had to during progress cuz our dps was shitter
and we're just used to it now
we did get a prenerf kill
but just one, then we lost half our roster
and our 2nd kill had 7 ppl total from the first
prisma crane
yea every wk since the second kill
and have had 2 wks now where we get him in 2-3 pulls
Agg is worse for us now lol
round hornet
same
timid jay
Yeah, agg is definitely much more annoying to rekill
prisma crane
ppl just fuck up like mad on that fight
round hornet
because in our post argus half raid quitting we lost our 3 DKs that did agg for us
lol
prisma crane
yea and we had ppl on alts for the DKs so
we're using different ppl now too
also
we're prob the only guild that 2 tanks argus and 4 tanks agg
but it works so w/e lol
and now for arugs out of nowhere we have a ton of rogues
4 rogues makes the soul soaking a joke
every time the 4 come out we just have one cloak and get them all then back to boss
round hornet
yeah sounds nice
prisma crane
so we do it stupid, but it works lol
timid jay
Its just so strange to 2 tank argus and then 4 tank agg
prisma crane
i just wish we did the nurfed strat for P1 but w/e
timid jay
Can you even do the BL push for last phase on aggramar?
prisma crane
it's monkaS
timid jay
And yet you cant do argus with 3 tanks
prisma crane
lol im sure we can now
undone sun
π€£
timid jay
Thats still what gets me every time
prisma crane
our best*
and yea
i think it is
tbh i barely pay attention now
im just happy the raid is done early
for the wk
undone sun
best for me is 10:06
undone sun
prisma crane
yea well you have badass dps
i dont want to post mine lol
first kill in march and yet only 7 total
timid jay
Nice sorting of the times btw
timid jay
Red scythe?`
prisma crane
narp
undone sun
i got the mount this last kill
timid jay
π
prisma crane
i dont care about it much, i just wanted the mount and the fucking agg sword
timid jay
Forgot to say gratz
undone sun
π
prisma crane
but it's decent news for our guild, since we have two raid teams that kill each wk
so we have 15 total kills now
and a few of the ppl are in both teams
like 5 or 6
prisma crane
yea, last wk they did full 11/11 in a day
my team is still newer at working together so best we ahve like vari and coven left
and idgaf about them anymore
our third tank for vari is gone basically as well
so that's a "blast"
nothing like clearing agg and argus in under an hour and spending 20 wipes on Vari
i space out on him so much now
half the time i forget to use SR or a CD
just eat the damn hit
prisma crane
the only time it's scary is when he melees the split second before the slash
otherwise yea, i actually tried to do him once without using any CDs or SR
he was under 40% but then i fucked up and got scared so i used SR
for shame
timid jay
Were at the point where we just want to kill argus for mount asap
This week was a good week, argus died within 50min of raid starting
timid jay
Same
prisma crane
but tbh, people play the best in the first 2 hrs of our raids anyways
so if agg goes fairly well, argus isnt an issue anymore
i wish we'd just 3 tank
so that i dont have to escort once in P2 and dont have to soak souls
wtb that orange parse
92 is my best
uneven mason
We're in the Naxxramas period of Legion
getting folks to show up and push content is rough
round hornet
ya lots of dead guilds to recruit from rn
signal plover
We're trying rekill Argus for a couple bench players.
round hornet
I thought we were done when like half the raid quit after Argus, and potential recruits were super turned off when they saw we didnt have 20 ppl or weren't just farming him
jagged bay
grats
prisma crane
but man he's going to be easy AF once prepatch hits
timid jay
I really hope so
All 110 raids are disabled on beta
Cant check K against legion bosses after the squish π‘
round hornet
Yeah I don't have my mount yet though
I heard prepatxh will force pl
So I may not actually get it :x
smoky oak
it wont be 100% im pretty sure
vocal nimbus
scythes are not accountbound?
vocal nimbus
oh
smoky oak
havent killed argus on warr in like 7 or 8 weeks
round hornet
ye its not a staff right
its kinda weird how some scythe is staff and some is polearm
smoky oak
the artifact is a polearm with the mage tower
brazen hound
Hello all, I'm having a real hard time doing the mage tower at the moment. Coming from cheesing classes like the Paladin and Druid, I notice that you just don't have nearly as much burst potential, or so it seems for phase 1.
If I'm not getting knocked off, I'm getting nuked by Variss Mind Rend. Should I be saving as much rage to try and soak his MR's with Ignore pain? cuirrently 933 Ilvl, but unoptimized and only have 2 pc Antoras (Though gear shouldn't be the issue here)
dusk badge
Well considering your gear is over and above whats required:
-What talents are you running
-What legendaries are you using / have available
Pooling rage for soaking MRs is also less DPS
So you could be over compensating
You've got SR and interrupt outside of necessary casts
brazen hound
I do not have any options for legos, I only have the shield block ring and the shoulders
dusk badge
Well shoulders trivialise a lot of the right
As you can leap out range the casts
If you cant interrupt/soak
Or SR is on CD
brazen hound
Shockwave, Impending victory, Avatar, Bounding stride, devastator, booming voice and Anger management are my talents
Wasn
wasn't aware I can range him. How far away do I have to be?
dusk badge
It's been over a year since i did the prot one, but iirc, I took the same talents, with shoulders/wrists (as thats all i had too)
You can leap to the edge of the platform, making sure you keep facing the eyes
So you avoid knockback
brazen hound
hmm
dusk badge
40 yards perhaps? its standard range iirc
How many stacks are you pushing to in the first phase?
brazen hound
okay, so i can actually avoid a lot of damage during the add phase. I try to do no more than 5 stacks
dusk badge
Yeah, especially with shoulders
brazen hound
and I use an orb just about every time adds come out and go after velen
dusk badge
You can utilise the orbs too if you need downtime to drop stacks
brazen hound
I've been using the orbs for stunning for the most part, and popping spell reflect during add phase
dusk badge
SR/Interrupt/Leap/Orbs all can delay the timers for stack dropping
If your add management is decent with eyes etc, P1 is pretty quick
DPS through and drop stacks, rinse and repeat
Might be pooling too much rage and losing the dps
Shouldnt really need to be actively pooling for IP to soak hits
brazen hound
I average between 400 something to 600k dps max
in phase 1
first time I got to phase 2, I had like...4-5 infernals to contend with π¦
never been able to get to phase 2 again after dozens of attempts
brazen hound
yeah
dusk badge
Might be playing it too safe mate
brazen hound
probably, I think I had that issue when I did the paladin one
hmm
how many stacks should I be going for?
dusk badge
Im pretty sure i aimed for 4 π
dusk badge
If you're using vengence, ofc π
dusk badge
Take vengence
brazen hound
vengence may be better for DPS now that I look at it
dusk badge
Better DPS, more IPs, Higher BC uptime
undone sun
i don't see how that can be correct
dusk badge
Well wont you be spending more rage with vengence?
You'll certainly be getting better value from IP
So with AM it'll be better for BC CDs?
undone sun
AM is based off actual rage spent, not base rage spent so the discount rage that vengeance gives is a negative side effect while using AM
BV is always a DPS increase
noble hollow
Why is transmogging on a worgen as hard as trying to cut the hair of a young child? Can i force my worgen to sit still for a second somehow?
dusk badge
@undone sun Makes sense, thanks fam
brazen hound
so DPS was a little higher, but I messed up my add management π¦
gonna try again
taking too long to kill the adds it seems, by the time I kill them, I barely have any time on Variss
it seems if you screw up your rage management and don't keep an eye on your stacks things fall a part real quick
noble hollow
Which adds exactly
When the nether gates spawn, you can aggro 1 of the netherspawns and it pulls them all to you, following that you can aoe them down on variss, just gotta clear your stacks before gates open for netherspawns
brazen hound
Okay, I think I'm getting a feel for it. more consistently getting to phase 2 now
though it takes me like...4 minutes to get to phase 2
noble hollow
whats your item lvl and which legendaries are you using
full pelican
What i had heard before i tried prot warrior (which i hated before i boosted mine) was that u had to be really aggressive in the mage tower, and now that i did it a 911 ilvl, i can very much agree, it is very agressive to run around get the kills for the Victory Rush and keep topped up
Literally in this rotation on the mage tower, now that its done though, can say its probably my favourite mage tower that ive done to date
arctic sedge
Being overgeared helps as well.
noble hollow
Be sure you're already using bear tartare as your food buff
arctic sedge
I struggled with it too when it first came out. Even after watching several guides I never got through it. Apart from the 2% on Kruul before giving up. Having 950+ ilvl and the right leggos were what made me kill it.
noble hollow
915+ and fury/arms leggo's will suffice, did for me atleast
noble hollow
the higher the item lvl the easier it will be though, it can be tough for war since the mind blast always chunks for alot
Once you ever get to kruul, make sure you know that you can spell reflect his twisted reflections for easy sustain, rotate your defensive cd's for annihilations etc
Prepotting and using all offensive cd's / rotation on variss at the start can help him get to like 50% or 75% at the beginning
full pelican
Its helps alot to practice a bit, i was getting one shot by Kruul last mage tower, was 890 and had no clue on how to play prot so i never made it past 10% or something of his health
Well, Variss on the tank mage towers, didnt make it to Kruul
Had gloves this time around which helped alot i think
noble hollow
spamming storm bolts on variss helps, spellreflect is also available but make sure you have it up for kruul again
brazen hound
Storm bolt better than shockwave you think?
full pelican
Shockwave if u find it better, but after playing around with it, hardly ever got a 20 second stun in first phase which is where i found it was needed
And have to aim somewhat
short mesa
hey guys, is there blockable/reflectable sheet for older raids? tov/nh/tos? in pins i found only for antorus and dungeons
full pelican
I imagine there is a spread sheet somewhere that has since been removed as a pin since its outdated, Google search is all i can suggest but someone else may have a link for it
short mesa
ok thanks, gonna try my luck with google
neon jay
noble hollow
I personally used Storm Bolt as i mostly had trouble with variss and his ranged spells after i ran out of his decay circle, Shockwave is just as viable but it comes down to where you have the most prblems
fleet crown
update just got my challenge mode since yesterday
thanks to those who gave me inputy
fleet crown
oh yeah?
signal plover
Ya fury is brain ded aoe kill spam and arms you'll prolly one shot if ya read a guide
solar yarrow
does draught of souls have any dps value for prot like it does for fury/arms?
smoky oak
DoS hasnt been good for fury or arms in a long while
solar yarrow
yeah, i realize, my warrior is my alt, and i played fury, but i am trying to do the mage tower for prot, and have either a 900 DoS or a 900 Might of Krosus, was trying to see if it's worth using
fleet crown
tbh my trinkets arent the best and i just did it a lil while ago
900 nightmare egg shell and a 900 animated exoskeleton
solar yarrow
i have been bashing my head against the challenge all of last night
signal plover
Do u have T21 2 Piece? Helps Zerg it down
solar yarrow
i don't yet
signal plover
Anything specific you're struggling with?
I'd say farm some normal and LFR to get that tier and it'll significantly improve your chances.
solar yarrow
i think too much shit starts happening and i miss something, either a slam or rend when i'm not at high enough health
signal plover
Do you have weak auras for it?
solar yarrow
yeah, but i'm not used to prot so i think i am focusing on my skills too much
also, i think i use revenge? too often and don't have rage for IPs for rend
basically i'm trash
signal plover
Are you using victory rush on the eyes to heal?
solar yarrow
yes, though i probably need to be proactive about going out and healing before i'm low on health
i find that i don't have rage for IP and am running to kill an eye for rush and get rended
signal plover
I think getting 2pc t21 will help you the most cuz it'll knock off a lot of time from P1 and P2 is pretty easy for prot warr (u can spell reflect twisted reflection onto kruul)
Also spell reflect the melee adds in P1
solar yarrow
should i run avatar then, and just try to maximize the burst window?
signal plover
Their melees are arcane dmg
signal plover
No RF will be better
signal plover
Back at 890 that and victory rush was crucial
But if you're anywhere near 930 and u get tier you can mongoloid through P1 decently.
solar yarrow
god i hope so, it is so frustrating 1 shotting fury and arms then having 50 wipes on this turd
signal plover
Tank challenge is good challenge
solar yarrow
i think i have one piece of tier, so i will see what lfr can bring me this week
waxen talon
P1 is the hardest part imo, but its all about chain using stormbolt/pummel/reflect. shud be doable even with bad gear'
tank challenge is management more than numbers.
prisma crane
@solar yarrow im a bit late here, but w/e you do, dont use DoS for mage tower, not only is it not great for prot, at all, but it'll leave you vulnerable. You need to always be moving on that fight.
@uneven mason warbringer is nice, but stormbolt, imo, is better for the mage tower, it'll allow you to interrupt him without refreshing stacks
uneven mason
I combined it with Sephuz, gave me amazing mobility and allowed me to eat all of the eyes shortly after using it I could let a few casts go out because i'd basically be chaining VR
But yeah multiple set ups work, I found stormbolt to be too slow
Rather CD was too long to be efficient.
But Warbringer gave me 2 short CD stuns, that could deal with all of the adds as well if I had them grouped up
undone sun
@short mesa idk if you ever got your answer but i unhid the old content page on the sheet in the pins (warning, it's a bit of an eye sore)
short mesa
@undone sun thank you very much β€
languid sigil
Hey, I got a pretty neat relic today with some good traits, but I can't decide which one to pick https://imgur.com/a/nGZCqsI
It's an album of 3 pictures, the relic itself is 970 and first trait is increased shield slam crit chance during SB
undone sun
Defensively Bastion of Aspects is invaluable
languid sigil
So the 970 with the haste trait way then?
shut summit
ye
languid sigil
But isnt Avoidance a pretty strong trait now days?
I mean there are tons of AoE stuffs in Antorus currently, such as the Garothi bombs, the slam on the ground
undone sun
depends on the fight, but generally yes it can be
languid sigil
The doggos
undone sun
but the value the block trait gives is much greater
only a couple bosses in ABT where block isn't factored in but those aren't problem bosses for warrior
misty badger
My shitty undergeared demon hunter has more health than my geared prot warrior.
Does anyone else hate the indomitable talent with a passion?
undone sun
because it's still a talent, yes
but nothing to do with health reasons Β―_(γ)_/Β―
misty badger
So why does prot warrior have the least health out of every other tank?
round hornet
IP gives good effective health
lofty charm
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plain vapor
i wonder how well do scythes on argus with no NF
guess it wont matter since content is effectively done
hope we dont raid during prepatch...
stark sage
the block changes are pretty strong, assuming the shield has a decent rating on it
you shouldnt get flattened by anything in prepatch
plain vapor
dope
i wonder if hell be easier to rekill in prepatch
with all the other class changes too
stark sage
yeah i cant say how the squish will affect the boss
it could wind up being damn hard just due to that
timid jay
I was getting ~45% DR on blocks against 110 enemies
No raids were open so was a bit hard to do testing against 113 enemies
smoky garnet
finite salmon
I know this has probably been asked like 800x but for mythic Argus, which legendaries to just not get completely dicked?
undone sun
legendaries wont really make or break that, the fight is all about CD timings
gloves/belt/bracers are generally still the best legos to use
legs if you're 3rd tank collecting orbs
sick sentinel
the best way to beat mage tower is spell reflect
broken kite
Wish we could re-do it
sick sentinel
i cant decide if i wanna play warrior or monk π¦
round hornet
play both
fresh dragon
junior ivy
what do i do with pantheons blessing once boht my pantheon truinkets are 1000?
undone sun
nothing
junior ivy
can i do the silithus 126 artifactr level quest thingy
on fury too?
or just one spec?
undone sun
it carries over
undone sun
sell them in during prepatch
junior ivy
ok ty
prisma crane
idk someone just mentioned it, but if they cancel that, they can go fuck themselves
.<
it's the only 2H mog i care about and rng doesnt like me
amber siren
Some people mentioned that mount drop chances changed but I haven't seen anything to confirm that or anything about tael/scythe
prisma crane
good
makes no sense anyways
it's a random drop, they never removed the shoulders so i'd assume same for these, but anyways, minor panic lol
merry cave
I want the 2h scythe have well over 300 (last count) argus kills on tons of toons on all difficulties :( :(
timid jay
Thats a rip
round vortex
Pogchamp - got the scythe this week lol
merry cave
Lol how'd you manage that, best Ive done is 10ish
prisma crane
lol, >90% vers will do it
undone sun
yeah, i've seen 83% but i think that was just conc +shivermaw
prisma crane
yea
grave osprey
where's versa DR? does it exist at all?
undone sun
verse doesn't have diminished returns
grave osprey
k thx, next week will be fun
merry cave
Hey guys we gonna have some pulls on argus this week. Does anyone know if MW and holy pal count as melee on this
As we have a lot of melee if they do lol
undone sun
pretty sure they do
merry cave
Hmm thanks
worn geyser
MW does, pal does not for first rages
merry cave
Thanks
brazen hound
Is there no way to get rid of the twisted reflections debuff if Krull manages to get it off?
I was reading that the orbs are supposed to remove it, but it appears that isn't the case
silk mortar
Its pretty much a jump down and kill yourself situtation
Last time i did it there was no way, but it should be easy to just reflect
merry cave
Get a super loud annoying weak aura and just spell reflect when you hear it
brazen hound
yeah I fucked up. does storm bolt also work at interrupting it?
undone sun
it'll delay the cast
brazen hound
hmmm
10%
can't seem to push him fast enough in phase 2 before krull OHK me π¦
probably stunning him in the pools is fucking me over
gray wolf
so anyone else enjoying the 70% vers-ish on concordance proc?
neon jay
It's fucking π₯ on a 13.6mil Blood DK
But 70% is not what i've got π
I got 95%
But that is with Class Trinket from Argus
gray wolf
gimme a sec
imma pop my 50% reduced damage taken for 10 seconds real quick
concordance
onyx vessel
Seems balanced
gray wolf
does it stack with shieldwall tho
neon jay
Ofc π
neon jay
It stacks with Rune Tap (40% reduced dmg) together with the 45% reduced dmg from Trinket and Concordance :p
onyx vessel
Not into a 90% but why you need shield wall plus concordance
Just wait till prepatch then bliz bens us over a table 
neon jay
π π
Blizzard Prot Warrior
xD
DKs are like back in MoP now. π 45% dmg reduction from trinket and Concordance, 40% from Rune Tap, 30% from Icebound fortitude. We are unkillable again.
solar yarrow
finally got my prot challenge finished, the 2 piece helped a ton, thanks @prisma crane
uneven mason
TFW the blood DK is trying to troll the prot channel when warriors literally reduce damage by ~ 90% 95% of the time
BDK + all your CDs = us with shield block bruvh
neon jay
uneven mason
Raw health = meaningless
neon jay
I know, but its kinda funny still π
It's good we are getting that number squish π
uneven mason
Well its relative, tanks still have the same health levels that they do now (Warriors are 5% higher, cause perception matters)
but its just at a smaller number
WHat did go up though, is Warriors block mitigates more damage, while BDK heal for less π€ my condolences
tulip geode
So how much Versatility is the Concordance proc on now? 60%?
Nvm, saw the discussion above
prisma crane
@solar yarrow grats man π
neon jay
Going prot Warrior in BfA boi @ember arrow ππ€π»
ember arrow
Good
vocal nimbus
yikes
clear sapphire
How to convince the rl to go 2 prot war in BFA? A officer wants to switch to tank (other officers are going with it) throwing a wrench into the current tank lineup who want to tank in bfa. Or just start looking for another group >.>
uneven mason
Uh, are you pushing to be a top 100contender?
If not - doesn't really matter.
I mean tank line up really doesn't matter, playing well > playing the meta for the most part
brazen hound
Finally got the Mage tower done. Storm Bolt definitely made stunning Variss easier over Shockwave IMO
ember arrow
Gz!
brazen hound
Though I cheated big time though with the concordance buff, so not sure I earned it as much as other folks lol
ember arrow
The end justifies the means
brazen hound
@ember arrow ty, by far the hardest version of the tanking challenge Iβve done compared to easy mode Paladin and Guardian druid >_<
brazen hound
Iβve heard Demon Hunter and Brewmaster were pretty easy
ember arrow
No clue
brazen hound
Iβm gonna try Brewmaster next personally
round hornet
Brew is ez
brazen hound
True
brazen hound
Hmm Warrior has been the most rewarding of the 3 Iβve done so far
ember arrow
Ur either 100% or dead
brazen hound
Probably because I felt like I actually had to follow the mechanics more
brazen hound
Like, you couldnβt rely on overwhelming passive cleave to just muscle through the add phases from my experience
Pfft lol
brazen hound
True, but you have to stay in melee range to use it. Paladin and Druids can extend the range of their AoE abilities to make cleaving to Variss while staying outside of his corruption a thing
ember arrow
Yes but bears are wheelchairs
brazen hound
My druid never had to step foot into the corruption due to chest and wrist legoβs
ember arrow
Big bears too scared to stay melee
brazen hound
Bears are boring as fuck, but the skin was nice at least
brazen hound
Lol was gonna say, but I like it
brazen hound
still, out of all the tanks Iβve played so far, Warrior I enjoy the most. I just feel...more engaged while playing one
brazen hound
I noticed lol
ember arrow
If u dont u stay full hp
brazen hound
Learned that the hard way many times
brazen hound
Got spoiled by my Druid and Paladin which just allowed me to heal through damage that was taken. Warrior from what I can tell is all about avoiding taking damage in the first place with IP and SB activation
Never noticed how that affected how sloppy I used to play to be honest
BFA warrior as a whole is looking really good from what Iβve seen
Iβve never raid tanked outside of LFR though so itβll be interesting being able to do so come BFA
brazen hound
Wow
ember arrow
Got no bigger numbers screenshots on phone
Feelsbad
Self heal as a whole been reduced in bfa. So war comparatively gained more momentum
By metigating alot without losinf self heal
Bracers healed us ofc, but it wasnt saving u if u got onehit
uneven mason
Yeah Bracers were somewhat of a gimmic, since we were most of the time, either full HP or just 1 shot
cause IP was stopping everything
everything that was left after block and armor that is
ember arrow
It was needed in m+
uneven mason
yup
ember arrow
Wrists guaranteed u cud solo boss if group died
brazen hound
Iβve never gone beyond a +16 on any of my tanks sadly π¦
What are yaβlls thoughts on IP being on the GCD?
Does it matter much for a Warrior?
uneven mason
It isn't the big spammy absorb we have now
Its more something you hit to bleed off excess rage that will take the edge off an attack without just flat out ignoring it
brazen hound
So youβll still pool rage when predictable damage is coming though right?
GCD I donβt think would affect something like that. What other forms of mitigation do we have for when the shit hits the fan that are not major defensive CDβs?
brazen hound
Okay so the normally fare is still there
uneven mason
Demo Shout has a high uptime
yes
Shield block is stronger than it is currently
but has less up time
brazen hound
Oh really? Iβll have to mess around with it on beta some more
uneven mason
this may change with haste
pearl plover
960 impenetrable nerubian husk from weekly chest, does anyone know if it is any good?
it's that trinket from violet hold
with haste on it and an armor proc
uneven mason
depends what its up against
slate obsidian
Looks good, thanks for 126 traits blizz
brazen hound
Pfft
The 126 certainly helped carry my ass through the mage tower w/2pc T21 and 934 LFR gear. 1.5-4.2mil DPS at the opening on Variss is kind of ridiculous
Granted with an extremely sharp drop off after concordance buff fades
ember arrow
@pearl plover husk is vendor trash my dude
uneven mason
I'm pretty sure it'll beat the 920 stat stick at 960 ilvl
ember arrow
Random and u get max amount for 1 sec
brazen hound
Question, how much haste do we want to be carrying in live would you say?
I think at 934 Iβm floating around 20-23%?
pearl plover
always get weird crap trinkets from that weekly chest
brazen hound
Okay hmmm
ember arrow
What are ur other ootions blex?
uneven mason
I'm guessing Immortality and a stat stick
ember arrow
Immortality is unneeded except high m+
brazen hound
Going to miss the x3 heroic leaps once the shoulder legoβs become inactive in BFA
uneven mason
that's nice Arachnid, its still the best overall mitigation trinket π
ember arrow
Not really
Its not good inless u go turtle
Also worthless vs magic or bleed heavy fights
uneven mason
You mean, reducing the amount of damage I take by as much as possible
golly
I never would have thought to do that as a tank
uneven mason
Not always~
there are situations where CoF ceases to be your best option
not many
but they are there
ember arrow
Less than moments where u dont need to go def as tank
Im no fury player so i take your word on that
pearl plover
other options are 920 stat stick and argus trinket...
ember arrow
Pantheon?
pearl plover
yeah
ember arrow
Thats a really good one
brazen hound
Got a question real quick regarding dealing with magical damage. Coming from Guardian, we didnβt really have much since our standard AM (Iron fur) didnβt do shit against something like Dark Slash from Ymiron
brazen hound
What do warriors use to mitigate magic damage in a tyrannical week Maw of Souls?
pearl plover
still want that 920 haste stat stick gone, i guess
brazen hound
Okay, what else should we be using when thatβs on CD or we donβt have the legs?
ember arrow
Rotate SW/LS
brazen hound
I only have two legoβs, shoulders and SB ring
ember arrow
THAT with IP shoukd do it
brazen hound
Shield Wall and Iβm brain farting LS. last Stand?
timid jay
yup
ember arrow
SR>SW>SR>LS>SR
Use DS if u go full def as a seperate cd
Start without using SR
so u have it on adds spawn
@brazen hound what is SB ring
U mean the walls fell?
brazen hound
Shield Block, ring every time you shield slam, it reduces the CD of Shield Block
ember arrow
Shield Wall
brazen hound
If memory serves
ember arrow
Not SB
brazen hound
Yeah that
timid jay
If you happen to have t21 2p and that ring you can be extremely liberal with shield wall
brazen hound
I do have 2pc T21 and the ring as a matter of fact
ember arrow
Well
brazen hound
good to mnow
ember arrow
40 sec cd
brazen hound
Know*
timid jay
With good play you'll see sub 1min CD on shield wall then
brazen hound
Looks like I need to take my ass into some mythics and practice then
timid jay
One of the most common issues I see with prot warriors is not using their cooldowns enough
ember arrow
Spam it
timid jay
We have such short cooldown on them that you can be liberal with it, outside of planned scenarios
ember arrow
Use one of em when pulling trash for example
brazen hound
Iβm still relatively new to Warrior. Only started actively tanking like 2 1/2 weeks ago, so the toolkit isnβt quite engrained yet
timid jay
Yeah its a shift from other tanks
brazen hound
Been tanking mostly as a Guardian, Pally or BM monk
ember arrow
Yikes
timid jay
Paladin is probably the closest you have
ember arrow
If u can do war rotation well u are last dmg taken
In duns and raids
I was 20th multiple times
brazen hound
Iβm liking warrior so far, just because it doesnβt bore me to fucking tears while tanking
ember arrow
U use battle cry om cd btw?
And spam shield slam during it?
While not rage capping
timid jay
For prot warriors pushing DPS is synonymous with survivability
uneven mason
with 2p you just roll Battlecry on CD
ember arrow
^
brazen hound
I typically do it especially if I screw up and am rage starved when I know something big is coming up and I need IP
timid jay
Outside of really aggressive SB usage
uneven mason
which causes AM to cycle the CD on BC/DS/SW/LS
uneven mason
^
brazen hound
True.
ember arrow
Even if capped it still contributes to anger management
uneven mason
yup
brazen hound
So I have a question regarding Revenge. Do I only use this when a proc occurs?
brazen hound
Or if Iβm about to cap rage or something and have nothing else to spend
uneven mason
You'll always have IP
ember arrow
Just use it on cd if u go dps mode
uneven mason
but I mean, if you're not the active tank
brazen hound
Okay
uneven mason
yeah slap them in the butt
with Revenge
with AM + Walls Fell you're going to have a major CD up every time you need it. most times you'll be able to stack DS+SW or DS+LS, block will almost always be up with higher haste and IP will almost always be capped...
its a bit crazy how fast prot is
but thats because its a giant band aid to cover up how low our EHP was outside of major CDs
timid jay
Revenge usage is just something that you learn with time, its a bit of a balancing act on how much you spend on revenge vs IP
Theres no real way to say, this is how much you should use revenge
uneven mason
^
timid jay
It all depends on how hard you want to push damage and how much damage you're already taking
brazen hound
DS... sorry still learning the acronyms
timid jay
demo shout
ember arrow
Demoralizing shout
brazen hound
Ah derp. Ty
Rule of thumb for IP is to use it when at 60 rage if I recall suggestions from Icy Veins?
timid jay
Ip scales linearly so it doesnt really matter if you use it at 20 rage or 60 rage
You get the same absorb per rage spent
The only exception is dragon scales procs, makes you next ignore pain stronger. You want to ideally use a 60 rage IP with that proc
uneven mason
wat
uneven mason
BSC, Ravager...Indom
ember arrow
Itf
stark sage
its like he did it on purpose
ember arrow
In legion
ember arrow
I logged off now. I stood waiting
Then he disappeared
@brazen hound dont be this guy
Dk sim
silk mortar
Thats some nice hp
brazen hound
Isnβt that incredibly low?
ember arrow
25 mil?
brazen hound
Oh I misread
Iβm on a phone
Anyone have opinions on how Prot Warrior is stacking up against other tanks in the PTR/Beta? DH sounds like theyβre very popular as of late
Iβve not spent really any time with the warrior on the Beta yet
ember arrow
Pretty good. Alot of cds. Block patch made block better last week
ember arrow
Dh is overtuned atm. Unless bliz wants to keep it that way they prob gonna get nerfed
vocal nimbus
They should be, also you have #410902883165405214
ember arrow
War seems one of if not best tanks vs phys dmg
vocal nimbus
Most updated info about BFA prot is there
brazen hound
Ty, Iβll check it out
ember arrow
Theyre perfectly fine 
fading rover
what is better dmg wise with 2p spam shield slam during battlecry or use artifact weapon?
prisma crane
for real?
like nelth fury?
it does no dmg
might be worthwhile if oyu have like 50 mobs on you, but that's about it
Always SS during BC unless you're aoeing and dont need the rage, then, use revenge and tclap
scales procs is only worthwhile with something like 20+ mobs iirc
and ideally ones that melee quickly
slate obsidian
Nelth fury has insane dmg-capabilities if it can procc Scales of earth over and over again, just saying
e.g. in Upper kara on the wyrms
prisma crane
yea, but requires a ton of mobs
not to mention, you could meme it a bit and just push for really high mastery and you'd get the same effect with just SB and you'd still be able to rotate through Rev/TC
slate obsidian
I use it just when there's nothing else to press...
unless I need it for defensive purposes
undone sun
That's fine, as long as it's not channeled for the full duration, ss/tc/rev will likely be off CD again mid channel
But yeah, in AOE situations rev and TC scale just as well if not better to not use NF over the two
brazen hound
Stupid question, but what is the best way to utilize the warrior artifact ability?
It does DPS and mitigates damage if I recall
undone sun
for damage as mentioned above
defensively if you need block uptime or to block a specifically hard hitting blockable ability
vocal nimbus
While raiding to survive certain abilites and while dungeoning to fill empty SB gaps
brazen hound
So does it function at all similarly to the Paladins artifact ability?
undone sun
no
brazen hound
You canβt move while using it right?
vocal nimbus
paladins artifact is similar to demoralizing shout
brazen hound
Oooh okay. Is that only physical damage though?
undone sun
full channel, cannot move while channeling
only blockable damage
not all blockable damage is physical
not all physical is blockable
brazen hound
What counts an unblockable?