protection

[sick sentinel]

Unholy

Guild is stupid

Not my fault

I did everything perfectly

Will kill this week

i hate u

Maybe even argus if things go well

Yeah I kinda have unholy too oxzi

[smoky garnet]

good fucking luck with that

didnt kill aggramar

wants to kill argus in 1 week

good meme

[sick sentinel]

High chance I will

[smoky garnet]

sure

[sick sentinel]

Next week if it doesn't die I'm gonna have to find another guild

[smoky garnet]

you not gonna spend less than 150 pulls on it

[sick sentinel]

Guilds 11/11 tho so it's fine

[smoky garnet]

some guilds have over 400 nowadays

[sick sentinel]

They are 11/11

Not gonna take that many pulls

[smoky garnet]

11/11 cant kill aggramar

[sick sentinel]

To re kill

[smoky garnet]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Unholy just stfu, I'm gonna be 10/11 this week 100%

maybe even 11/11

I ditched my old guild which sucked

[sleek radish]

Well thanks for the info mates

[smoky garnet]

sure bother

[sleek radish]

good luck

[smoky garnet]

and im santa

[sick sentinel]

No worries

[smoky garnet]

cheers

[sick sentinel]

Good luck

[smoky garnet]

have fun progging on aggramar @sleek radish

[sick sentinel]

Kill boss and get a good parse

[smoky garnet]

remember to check his sandals out, he has toes

[sick sentinel]

More like rocks

Lol

[sick sentinel]

are there any addons or weakauras for tanks?

never tried tanking past 90 so i have no idea what to do

[native beacon]

there are plenty

depends on what you want

DBM is one that is very helpful

ElvUi is mandatory for all classes

Weak Auras also mandatory

@sick sentinel

i would reccoment going to #ui-addons-manager

they have everything you need

[sick sentinel]

i dislike ElvUi

mainly cause they change my UI lol

[native beacon]

u need elvui

so much better

[undone sun]

well need isn't exactly true, it's entirely base on personal preference but being as customizable as it is, it can be very helpful

there's no addons that are needed for tanking, weakauras, boss mods and damage meters can help a lot.

but again, entirely subjective

[sick sentinel]

ty for the info

[native beacon]

you really want to use the addons i posted there earlier, they will make your life much easier and you will play better... it jsut takes time getting used to it

alll high level players use those addons

there are a few other addons like GTFO

GTFO, WeakAuras, ElvUI and DBM are my top 4 which i must have to play

they make life just that much easier/better

[amber siren]

I really wouldn't advocate elvui as mandatory, it's a UI package, it's nothing that other addons can't replicate and we've had plenty of discussion of 'high level' content being done with minor modifications on top of the default UI

[native beacon]

blizzard UI is really bad because

it has all your important things to the corners of your screen

Elvui allows you to make your own UI

[undone sun]

but you dont need elvui to move those, elvui can be a bit overwhelming starting out

[native beacon]

u can put things where u feel most comofrtable

[undone sun]

it's subjective

[winged marsh]

i know plenty of players who play extremely well with the default UI

[native beacon]

but they could be better

[winged marsh]

people like elvui cause its highly customizable and sleek looking

[undone sun]

ui has very little to do with actual skill

[winged marsh]

thats literally it

[native beacon]

it lets you see things better, it can boost your performance because u will be able to display everything u need where u need it

instead of having to look elsewhere

its not manditory

yes

but i think very highly of it and would recommend it to everyone

[winged marsh]

I like it a lot and recommend it too, but not because itll make you a better player

I just think the default ui looks gross

[native beacon]

nothing really makes you a better player, addons jsut make your life easier allowing you to focus on doing more dps, paying attention to more important things etc

i love ElvUi, my favorite addon for sure

@winged marsh default UI is gross yes, it is bad because all important things are on the outer parts of your screen

[winged marsh]

like what?

[native beacon]

HP

Target

Ur abilities

Buffs

Debuffs

That's really bad if you have a widescreen monitor

[winged marsh]

all that stuff is moveable on the default ui tho?

[jolly trout]

What about when you really need to focus, how do you look at everything on a widescreen

do you need music to focus

[winged marsh]

its not like those things are locked in place lol

[native beacon]

Music for focus is alright

[undone sun]

i know player and target frames are moveable on default

[native beacon]

they are

But it's so small

And tiny

[winged marsh]

the default ones?

[native beacon]

Yes

[winged marsh]

I think they're fucking huge

[native beacon]

Not the actual hp bar ahha

Giant picture of ur character

Tiny bars

Elvui benifits so much, difficult to see it tho

[undone sun]

never seemed make or break to see my health ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[native beacon]

Lol

Can't play without

For me atleast

[winged marsh]

and there it is. LLike thyme said, its subjective

[native beacon]

I guess

[ember arrow]

I play wit bliz ui never had a prob

No need to see hp on prot war. If u go below 100% u die instantly

Its much more useful on dk for me where hp actually moves around alot

[sleek nymph]

With all the fuzz made about the tank challenge i was expecting it to be a whole lot harder

Done in two attempts, disclaimer: did it on a death knight, demon hunter and paladin before this one.

[vocal nimbus]

It was harder at 890-900 ilvl

[silk mortar]

Sure was

Warrior ones were pretty hard, not the hardest ones though

[sleek nymph]

did the dk one around 910 ish

[vocal nimbus]

Harder for me was monk, mainly because I did it without knowing how to play the spec

[sleek nymph]

warrior now is around 920 ish 70 traits, i found the ability to charge eyes, spell reflect, quite a bit of defenses and enough dmg.

Yet to do monk if i can get him to around 920 with enough traits should be fairly easy nowadays

[vocal nimbus]

Kruul as a monk is a joke

Inquisitor was a pain in the ass

[sleek nymph]

How so not enough ways to mitigate the rend dmg at higher stacks?

[signal plover]

Self healing is tougher on monk if you play poorly

At higher ilvps tho just use orbs and it's w/e

[sleek nymph]

Ah so essentially you fuck up, you're dead.

[vocal nimbus]

^thats what i did

Put the taunt statue and burst until 12 stacks

Get an orb and clear yourself

That way i got him at 20% and just had to finish him

[sleek nymph]

I use orbs rather quickly the fight doesn't last as long anymore so all guides stating to hold off are basically making you waste some

[vocal nimbus]

yes

whenever i get high stacks i get an orb

[signal plover]

Holding orbs was necessary at 890ish

[edgy mango]

Took kruul myself with literally 1 hp in the end

As monk

Stagger rook me down super low + the fel stomp

But managed to lob in a keg smash

[junior ivy]

i officially have every "glory of the.." meta achievement in the game now

there should be an achievement for that

but there isn't 😦

[timid jay]

👏

Thats impressive though

[junior ivy]

achievements are the only thing on wow that isn't boring right now

i can't wait for BFA..

[timid jay]

I just want new raids and dungeons

[junior ivy]

me toooo

[rancid pier]

Agreed

[silk mortar]

And new quest ;?)

[wooden lark]

tips for mos first boss on higher keys? managed to kill im on +19 however i died when boss was on 5%

too many dark slashes that i cant block even with ararats and then adds spawned 2x on top of it all

[smoky oak]

spell reflect

[little rain]

If you have walls fell you can have shield wall up in the spaces inbetween your reflects, depending on your haste.

[wooden lark]

can only sr like 3 dark slashes before the cooldown catches up to you and u just have to face tank the 4th and 6

[smoky oak]

block? wall?

LS?

DS?

nf

[wooden lark]

yes.. that works until the last 10-15%

then you have no cd

no sr

and adds spawned

[little rain]

Cant block dark slash, its categorized as a shadow bolt

[wooden lark]

^

i've got walls fell i might swap it out for soul next try

[little rain]

Soul? Do you not have t21 2p?

[wooden lark]

yes i do

[little rain]

Unless you offspec fury put Soul in the bank

[wooden lark]

idk i quite like soul

[smoky oak]

how long was the fight?

theres no way you ran through all those cds and even more reflects

[wooden lark]

gimme a sec ill try find out

[little rain]

It's not worth equipping anymore.

[wooden lark]

cant find boss fight length on my skada, was too far back in the dungeon

i mean i can explain to you how i ran out of cds..

[little rain]

Skada in 2018

[wooden lark]

what do you use

[little rain]

Details or I log

[wooden lark]

what's wrong with skada

[little rain]

Not as much info

[smoky oak]

if you ran through all cds, you can ask for externals aswell

such as ishkar/sac/GS/bark

[wooden lark]

yeah problem there was my healer didnt speak english very well

[smoky oak]

he understands bark

or sac

also on around 25s you need to have a warlock taunting with infernal

as a dk anyway

[main vault]

Just make pets take it

[wooden lark]

think one of the problems was pugging it, next time will try with guild so can coordinate stuff like that easier

[vocal nimbus]

@junior ivy congrats!

[honest mantle]

Hey, on Argus, the big golden buff, is the damage mitigated by avoidance?

[timid jay]

iirc only for the other guys

[vocal nimbus]

One it redirects to you its pure damage

[timid jay]

So they damage they take is less, so less gets redirected to you

[vocal nimbus]

Once*

Damage taken from agg's golden buff is only mitigated by flat DR

Like shield wall

[honest mantle]

aight

[vocal nimbus]

Or by increasingyour health

Loke last stand

Or by getting a big ass absrob

Like smoldering titanguard

[honest mantle]

And what is the source of the golden buff and the bomb? IE, can I use demo shout for it?

[timid jay]

Its environment iirc so you cant demo it

[vocal nimbus]

^this

Its like if you fall from some heigth

[honest mantle]

but you can't SW environmental damage either ;P

at least not that I know of

[timid jay]

You can

Since its a buff on you

[honest mantle]

sorry, meant to say fall damage

[final mist]

I wouldn't exactly call fall damage environmental.

Fall damage is stupid damage

[honest mantle]

xD

[timid jay]

They should add railings to aggramar

[final mist]

Environmental damage is something like the Cones or Fog

[silk mortar]

Go panda and mitigate fall damage

[vocal nimbus]

Fog isnt mitigated by SR?

[final mist]

If you're worried about fall damage, swap to Rogue and play Sub

[timid jay]

It is

[vocal nimbus]

[timid jay]

Environmental damage only really matters for TC and demo really

[final mist]

^

[timid jay]

Since you have nothing to put the debuff on

[vocal nimbus]

What'd you call damage only reduced by flat DRs

Bah, forget it

[timid jay]

True damage?

Idk that shit is strange, idk how it really works

[vocal nimbus]

I was just having a brain fart

Is that the term?

[timid jay]

Tbh never really heard much sources about it before argus

I cant say I know much about it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest mantle]

AHC

The big AOE

[vocal nimbus]

Anyways, if the question was because you have problems soaking bombs

I rotate LS for the first one, smoldering titanguard for the second and SW + an external for the third

[honest mantle]

We do the bomb + 2 bursts as the first ones

And that is the reason why I have a little problem about consistency

I need everything + a little IP to survive that

[vocal nimbus]

You do the three first bombs together?

[honest mantle]

ye

[vocal nimbus]

We send a VDH for that one

[honest mantle]

and suicide all the others

[vocal nimbus]

To pop last resort

That way the other tanks dont die

[honest mantle]

Thing is, I need to use Titanguard regardless for the mastery

So I might as well do that without triggering a purgatory

Using mastery meme setup

[vocal nimbus]

Purgatory/LR reset after p2

Well, not sure about purgatory but last resort resets for sure

[sick sentinel]

cheat death resets when you die for sure

[wary forge]

Anyone know where i can get a current Crucible Weights string for Prot?

[timid jay]

There are none

If you're looking for defensive value you get bastion on all relics and MoS if you're not avoidance capped

[vocal nimbus]

There was a NLC trait guide but someone is too lazy to port it

🤷

@fierce juniper 👈

[wary forge]

im new to prot. been maining blood all xpack but trying to stay current on a few specs until i see how BFA nerf/buffs turn out

[timid jay]

I'd definitely say you get 7/7 in bastion regardless of ilvl if you care about survivability

[wary forge]

and MoS = Master of Shadows?

[timid jay]

yup

[wary forge]

Thanks

[sick sentinel]

the walls fell is pretty garbage right?

[timid jay]

Its decent, not especially amazing

t21 2p makes it pretty good for ragge generation

[sick sentinel]

should i rock it instead of my class ring?

i guess it would be pretty dope with 2 pc

didnt think about that

[ember arrow]

Yes its better than class ring

But neither are amazing

[vocal nimbus]

Class ring loses a lot of value with t21

[timid jay]

I'd pick TWF over soul if you have t21 2p

[sick sentinel]

cool, thanks guys

[wary forge]

what are the best 2 legiondaries for Prot survivability?

w/ t21

[silk mortar]

Bracers gloves pretty much

Legs can be good

When you need extra spell reflect, for like vari

[vocal nimbus]

Bracers/gloves for sustained damage, belt/gloves for spiky damage

[fresh dragon]

argus M

P3

how many scythe

before die/swap?

[shut summit]

die on 5th

[fresh dragon]

it change if we die on 6th sense?

[smoky garnet]

you spawn more orbs, making 3rd tank's job harder

and the 5th scythe lines up with module spawn

[fresh dragon]

how many orbs spawn per scythe?

[round hornet]

equal to # of stacks of debuff

[fresh dragon]

and any tips for orb collecting? run on the room

or ppls stack on tanks?

[round hornet]

the orb is an aoe

just run out and get them

[fresh dragon]

ye 2 yrd

[round hornet]

before they hit ur dudes

[silk mortar]

Its fun getting tanks first time tanking

Dont know mitigation or anything yet they dont tell anyone

So everyone is screaming at him x)

[lapis topaz]

Well, I mean, if the tank said anything, either a) he'd get kicked, or b) everyone would leave, right?

[solar hawk]

i'm torn, i now have a few pieces of gear that are +15 ilvl above my T21 4pc, is 4pc worth hanging onto or am i safe just rocking 2pc for the shield slam bonus?

a couple different guides are conflicting, some say you don't need 4pc, some say 4pc is immediately worth it for the IP bonus, thoughts?

[timid jay]

It depends largely on content

For antorus I'd say 4p is only really worth it on dogs and aggramar

Its a really nice defensive bonus in m+ with the amount of mobs hitting out

Other than that I dont see much value in t21 4p if you can get higher ilvl

[vocal nimbus]

P2 crossing scythes are parryable?

[timid jay]

Dont think they are

[vocal nimbus]

Sometimes i have no room to dodge one and i dont get pushed or debuffed

[sick sentinel]

no maybe dodge only

[timid jay]

Maybe? Check logs in that case¨

[vocal nimbus]

Ye, dodge prob

[timid jay]

Would be strange if you could tbh

[sick sentinel]

i think our dh blade danced it once

[coarse magnet]

Is prot warr fucked in bfa

[ember arrow]

No

[wooden lark]

what to do in NL when spiked tongue cast and no rancid maw on the ground to slow you down?

vs naraxas

[shut summit]

leap / intervene to friends at range

[timid jay]

There are still some eggs you can get stuck behind

[wooden lark]

you can leap during rancid maw?

[ember arrow]

Y

[timid jay]

I still use some in the far back that have never been fixed

[wooden lark]

fuck ive been leaping to get to the back before its cast

[ember arrow]

U mean during tongue

Yes u can

[wooden lark]

sighs

[undone sun]

yeah, there's three eggs you can stand on

and it'll protect you from the pull

[ember arrow]

U can be priest pulled, all the good stuff

Or get eaten on 24 like me

Like a mab

Man

[wooden lark]

i dont understand what blizz expects you to do if no rancid maw and if ur like a dk or sth and they dont want u to abuse bugs or whatever

[timid jay]

You always have the pools

[ember arrow]

U got plenty of time

On dk

To movr

[wooden lark]

i didn't just there

was 0 pools on the floor

[ember arrow]

U can premove

Timer etc

[wooden lark]

yeah premove doesn't stop him from getting you without the slow on the floor though

[timid jay]

Im 100% you always get pools, its up to your ranged to place them in a decent spot

[ember arrow]

U can reach eggs wit wraith walk

Be4 that happens

Irrelevant if there are pools

If u get 0 pools u gave either

3 melee dps lul

Or ranged melee mode dds

[wooden lark]

1 hunter, 1 warrior and 1 dh dps

[ember arrow]

Hunter shud be max range

[wooden lark]

there was a pool in the middle but it disappeared just before i got tongues

tongued

[ember arrow]

Then leap away

When about to be eateb

[wooden lark]

that's the thing i didn't realise you could leap whilst being tongued

now i know xD

[ember arrow]

Yes

U can use any movespeed i creases

Phone discord auds btw

[wooden lark]

i thought it was like other incap abilities from other bosses like tree in dht

[ember arrow]

Monks can speed buff u locks can use gate for u

Etc

Since high keys always have a lock i never have a lack of escapes on my dk

U can also intercept an ally to make distance

[upper spoke]

whats best two trinkets this week? diima's and?

assuming u have everything

does apocalypse drive cheese application of necrotic stacks in any way

say a full mitigated auto attack or something

[timid jay]

No it doesnt

And trinkets depend largely on what you're doing

[upper spoke]

it's necrotic. was j/w if it hits u for 0, does it apply a stack?

[undone sun]

it should

[main vault]

If it hits you yes, necrotic isn't based on damage

[young marlin]

Tips and tricks M Argus 3rd tank as Protection?

[hot locust]

stack lots of vers and avoidance. Don't rush out to get them immediately you can take some time to generate rage for IP so it doesn't hurt so bad.

Spell reflect works as well. 😃

[chilly plover]

was just checking survivability stats via the M Argus Scythe spreadsheet, but according to that document, increasing my Avoidance value will not reduce the damage I take from Soulrending Scythe. Did I bork the doc by dling it or am I missing something obvious?

[little rain]

Tfw you do farm content on personal loot >.>

Well I guess everything is farm content, so just all bosses except Argus

[quartz pond]

argus isnt farm content?

[vocal nimbus]

@quartz pond dont bully

[little rain]

Argus is farm content, but they still do ML for mount rolls

[final mist]

@chilly plover Avoidance affects the Scythes, yes.

[chilly plover]

@final mist So either the spreadsheet doesn't take it into account for Scythe calculations, or the spreadsheet broke when I downloaded it? Oh well, much appreciated mate 😃

[oblique remnant]

is devastator 100% better than indom for M+?

[ember arrow]

Deva is 200% better than indom in all situations

[oblique remnant]

shame

i like indom

[ember arrow]

Why?

It reduces outr ehp and dps

Unless u get oneshot with proper metigation usage, which didnt happen in legion

[oblique remnant]

I just enjoy having lots of health

lul

[silk mortar]

Guardian is there 😉

Nah but you have big absorbs, which is kinda like health ,?)

[oblique remnant]

I play prot pala and prot warrior, not the best for high health lol

[silk mortar]

True

But just take 2 hp thinket and it will be like the same thing 😉

[oblique remnant]

il just take any tanking trinket at this point

only have 1

How good is codex for warriors

[silk mortar]

Its meh

Not the worst,

;P

[oblique remnant]

its op for like every other tank

its even meh in M+?

[silk mortar]

Its better in m+ than raiding

Absorb and dmg is quite nice, but as always there are better

Such as dimas

[signal plover]

If you're playing prot warr do yourself a favor and stop looking at hp (took me a long time to realize this as well)

[silk mortar]

As said, we have absorbs so

[midnight pecan]

Hey guys, is there a way to track the dmg reflected by spell reflect with a WA or details or something?

[smoky garnet]

That is a random thing to want to track

[signal plover]

Like track the total amount reflected?

[icy walrus]

what are your opinion about rethu guys?

[silk mortar]

Same here, i wanna see how much dmg reflect does on medivh with tyrannical

x)

[quartz pond]

you can go at enemy damage taken

and its there

it will show up as arcane missiles

on the boss iirc

[silk mortar]

Never did for me

But i use skada

;()

Should have counted as my dmg though ;(/

[quartz pond]

I use skada

and I can see it

[final mist]

SR does not count as our damage.

[silk mortar]

Im not stupid, i just said wrong

it should

[solar crown]

Does anyone have a good weakaura they can share? for one who is basicly trying to learn from scratch and need something to remind him to use shield block etc. nothing fancy, just to practice a rotation properly

https://wago.io/ByHafbqfG <- found this

so nevermind

[ember arrow]

If all questions were like this

Would be easy

[prisma crane]

aka, ask question, find own answer, lmao

[timid jay]

Krotos with new avatar

😓

[ember arrow]

Me too but noone cares ok

[junior ivy]

there i changed mine too

[ember arrow]

Good

But my 1080p selfie is still better

[timid jay]

New cats

[frank lava]

wait Eye of Command is good as prot dps wise?:X Just simmed it and a 960 EOC beats a 960 Angerboda by far (and a 1000 Kazgatoths)

[ember arrow]

Xd

Pantheon is half dmg and half proc on tank so ofc its useless

[frank lava]

BUT angerboda:((

i liek

[ember arrow]

No way it does more

We got guaranteed 100% crit

Every 25 sec

[frank lava]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o8y3WYKNmrzZqBsp7EX9Gh

80k idk what i simmed wrong

[ember arrow]

Idk idc about dps. Im also on phone so wont be simming now

I use diimas wit pantheon always

[junior ivy]

same here

[frank lava]

dont have pantheons yet. but can insta upgrade it to 1000 idk if its bugged (fury main tho)

haha

[ember arrow]

unlucky

[sick sentinel]

do you guys use weakauras for tank debuffs and such, just curious

[main vault]

Yes

[ember arrow]

Good qol. But bossmods got that covered usually

[fresh dragon]

yesterday do we get a minipatch

nerfing argus mythic?

[hot locust]

Nothing changed as far as I could tell on reclear.

[fresh dragon]

ok

[vocal nimbus]

There was a minipatch

But no idea what it changed

[fresh dragon]

anddddd what do they have done?

the client version changed?

[smoky oak]

all i know is they broke TSM

[fresh dragon]

tsm??

[silk mortar]

hah!

[smoky oak]

tradeskillmaster

[silk mortar]

Who even needs that

[smoky oak]

me

[silk mortar]

No you dont

[smoky oak]

when i post my 1200 auctions

[silk mortar]

Why would you even wanna do that 😭

Its painful

[smoky oak]

gold?

[silk mortar]

Why gold?

[smoky oak]

its not painful with tsm

[silk mortar]

And not silver

[smoky oak]

[silk mortar]

I dunno even what it does

So i should have no say in this

[vocal nimbus]

@fresh dragon cant find info about the minipatch 🤷

[smoky oak]

you can make groups and have macros for posting

which is way easier than posting 1 and 1 item

[silk mortar]

Hm

[fresh dragon]

its quite strange

they did not nerf argus yes

[vocal nimbus]

Argus wasnt nerfed

[round hornet]

They needed him a while ago

Nerfed

[fresh dragon]

just 5% life

just a v little nerf

[vocal nimbus]

Tbh argus is really well balanced

[fresh dragon]

while aggramar abilities were undertuned

ye ye Soul but a little nerf help me to stop play

earlier

[vocal nimbus]

My guild is progging argus too

[round hornet]

also dont need to stack immunes now

with the change that made it 2 chains but cant preimmune

[eternal pecan]

Is there a better guide to different talent builds/rotations than Icy Veins? Specifically Raid vs M+

[smoky garnet]

ups, thought i was on arms LUL

check the pins, there prot guide is there

[eternal pecan]

Ugh, I hate asking stupid questions. Should’ve checked there first, thank you

[sick sentinel]

Guys I just can’t get over indomitable

[vocal nimbus]

You should

[cinder pasture]

I got over indomitable after playing with devastator for 5 minutes 😄

[prisma crane]

@timid jay GF made me change it, omegaTILT

[timid jay]

Why though

You had that one for ages

[prisma crane]

lol "it's not xmas"

yea i know, ill prob put it back without the hat soon enough

avatar = identity!

[timid jay]

Marok kept kicking me from skyhold when I had Christmas hats

😢

[prisma crane]

RIP

well i never got SF so i get away with pleb stuff

im ready for BFA and other stuff, i have the mount so i need nothing from raids lol

[timid jay]

lol

Was just about to ask how reclearing was going with 2 tank strat

[prisma crane]

took us a long time to get the second kill, we had 7 people the same from the first kill

only 1 tank and 1 heals was the same

and bunch more melee dos

dps*

[timid jay]

oof

[prisma crane]

but last wk we 2 shot him

with 11 melee iirc

[timid jay]

11 melee wtf

[prisma crane]

mhm...

[timid jay]

2 tank still?

[prisma crane]

4-5 rogues is 👌 though lol

yea, always 2 tank

if we had an extra tank i could prob parse better

but 91% isnt bad

[timid jay]

Abrodus has tainted that word

[prisma crane]

oh?

[timid jay]

You missed it?

[prisma crane]

probably

man work's been hell lately

hardly on disc

😦 i miss you guys

[timid jay]

Yeah havent seen you around much

Im barely active myself these days

[prisma crane]

yea i just log on to raid and that's it

prob going to go more casual in BfA, but i said that in Legion too lol

[timid jay]

Usually turns out like that in the end of the expansion

[prisma crane]

yea

[undone sun]

Indeed

[winged marsh]

been chillin out on the game too. Dont wanna burn out before bfa

[timid jay]

I've been playing so much PoE instead

And some FF XIV

[prisma crane]

Fortnite and SoT here

but mostly Fortnite lately

[timid jay]

Never really liked it

[prisma crane]

even playing the save the world version, it's pretty fun

[winged marsh]

tryna get into warframe

[timid jay]

Probably should give it another shot with the accuracy changes

[winged marsh]

shits so fuckin confusing tho

[prisma crane]

there's so much shit in the save the world version, my god

[timid jay]

I know almost nothing about it

[prisma crane]

yea idk, i just like it because it's pretty fast paced, dont have to wait around forever and the building is pretty fun

and yea, the STW has like 100x the weapons and traps and there's character progression and crafting and looting and campaigns, etc

[timid jay]

Hmm

Still costs though?

[prisma crane]

yea

[round hornet]

@timid jay is it hard to get to the monster hunter crossover

[timid jay]

I am level 34 in FFXIV

[prisma crane]

but if you actually play the BR you can get v-bucks through it, so it sorta pays for itself in that way

[timid jay]

😏

[prisma crane]

but only if you care about that shit

[winged marsh]

levelling takes so long in that game

[timid jay]

Im a big noob in FF

[round hornet]

ive never played FF14, I just saw at e3 they announced a cross over

[timid jay]

Im bothering melekus and björn about everything in that

[winged marsh]

the visuals are stunning man

[round hornet]

idk how long it takes to be lvl 70 or complete the stormblood scenario

[winged marsh]

super pretty game

[timid jay]

I know basically nothing about the crossover

[round hornet]

word, is lvling slow?

[winged marsh]

yes

at least on your first class

[timid jay]

Yeah its not that fast

[winged marsh]

theres some stuff to catch you up when you decide to work on other classes

but there kinda has to be since you cant repeat the story

[timid jay]

Im actually playing on a NA server

[prisma crane]

👀

[hot locust]

@timid jay what server/datacenter you play on?

[timid jay]

Uhm

Good question

[undone sun]

lol

[timid jay]

I dont know ok

Melekus bullied me into NA servers

[hot locust]

I played up until 2nd omega raid came out this expac

[vocal nimbus]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[timid jay]

Im not even max level

[vocal nimbus]

first time seeing the res after tree

[timid jay]

Im like 35 dragoon

[vocal nimbus]

👏

[timid jay]

👏

Do I even want to ask how many pulls?

[vocal nimbus]

300~

average on my server is 800-900

[undone sun]

yikes

[vocal nimbus]

except for the #1 which is a top100 guild

[timid jay]

leviathan

@hot locust

300 pulls doe

big monkaS

[hot locust]

We're on the same datacenter! \o/

I'm on Malboro though

[timid jay]

Cant say I've been leveling fast

[vocal nimbus]

is 300 too much?

[timid jay]

There isnt really too much

As long as you get CE I'm sure you'll be fine with it

[hot locust]

You said you play dragoon yeah? Just message me on discord if you want help with dungeon queues or something. I have Paladin and White Mage at 70 and Bard at 60 somethin'

[timid jay]

👌

Will do

As I said I have Melekus and Björn on that server boosting me most of the time

[hot locust]

All my friends quit so I don't have people to play with anymore v__v

[timid jay]

😢

[vocal nimbus]

i dont know whats worse

poe nerds or warframe nerds

[timid jay]

Isnt sal and clutch playing a bit?

[vocal nimbus]

or cosmo, nerd of both things :lul

[timid jay]

This is FFXIV we're talking about though

[vocal nimbus]

oh

thats alright

everything is alright but i started to hate fallu and david's poe spam lmao

[timid jay]

Check what I'm playing atm

😏

[undone sun]

gross

[vocal nimbus]

i shouldnt talk too much tho, i keep playing pubg

[timid jay]

So many good games

So little time

[undone sun]

for me it's lack of ssd space

[vocal nimbus]

for me it's lack of a good gpu

[sick sentinel]

PoE \o/

[vocal nimbus]

im going to wait for 11XX Ti

[sick sentinel]

i think next series will be 20XX

[prisma crane]

na, it's 11xx now

[vocal nimbus]

they are named already tho

[prisma crane]

and yea, im doign the same Soul

[vocal nimbus]

i have saved around 2.5k for good pieces 😊

[prisma crane]

and i want to get a good 4k HDR monitor with high refresh and that damn acer/asus one isnt out yet, still...

[sick sentinel]

ah there is gtx2080 model aswell

[prisma crane]

well, i want 3 of those

the monitor that is*

[timid jay]

I want a 1440p, 144hz HDR tbh

[sick sentinel]

yeah i cant buy em living in third world country 😦

[timid jay]

Id rather have refresh rate than resolution

[sick sentinel]

^

[vocal nimbus]

@timid jay i bought a 144hz one that lowel suggested me once

a couple months ago

and its working really well

[timid jay]

Yeah 144hz is love

[prisma crane]

i want both lol

but its expensive AF so im hoping with time it'll go down

https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG27UQ/

2 grand though

so

yea....

better price adjust in the next year or two

[fathom stag]

If I am running Anger Management and Booming Voice, is it worth while to use Renewed Fury or should I take something else? I have all of the Warrior legendries.

[prisma crane]

RF is best for 95%+ of scenarios for dmg output

especially with the rage we have atm

[fathom stag]

Good deal

[junior ivy]

i need something to do on wow while waiting for bfa 😦

anyone have any fun stuff to do besides m+ and raiding?

[little rain]

Mount farming while watching shows 😮 Tryna get that 350 b4 BFA

[junior ivy]

yeh mount farming and tmog farming is basically all ido now lol

i hope to get 250 before bfa

[upper spoke]

try your bfa boosted alt?

prot pally is fun

[junior ivy]

my bfa boosted alt is another prot warrior

lol

but yeh i could play it

[brittle horizon]

so i have 38% haste. is that to much?

[fierce juniper]

no, but you shouldn't be dropping significant ilvl to reach that point

[timid jay]

Marok answering questions

Is the sky falling

[fierce juniper]

too much haste is when you're over 100% effective uptime on sblock, which requires quite a bit more than 38% with AM

[junior ivy]

how much is chromatic sword really worth?

[brittle horizon]

naw, 959 atm with 2p and all the such. just sittin at 38%

[fierce juniper]

@junior ivy https://theunderminejournal.com/#us/malganis/item/1604

like 6 mil

on average

[smoky garnet]

[junior ivy]

ty for the info marok

[lofty charm]

Arms Hidden Artifact Quest is up - talk to the Forgemaster - Helgar!

US

[undone sun]

don't need to be posting that in every channel, arms or general at most

[sick sentinel]

actually it helped me in here, i dont go to arms channel 😛

[glacial sage]

Same, I just got it because of that message

[ember arrow]

No bannerino pls

[split raven]

Anyone know of armor sets that go well with the Blue tint of the Prot Challenge Weapon?

[ember arrow]

#transmog

I think the blue one from cata i believe

[split raven]

thank ya kindly

[ember arrow]

Np. I think i used that myself some times

[undone sun]

i used the season 14 pvp set

[pine creek]

our warrior tank is having difficulties soaking the soulburst damage on mythic argus. should we exchange him for a druid or is it possible to do this tactic and rely on externals?

[lapis topaz]

It’s possible. Externals help. Soaking bombs isn’t where warriors excel though in general.

[vocal nimbus]

If you are soakinh the big one its quite hard to survive it

You would need to blow all the CDs plus externals

However soaking the two small ones id easier

My guild sends a vdh with the first big one because he's got last resort

If its my turn to get the small ones i use last stand for the first set

Smoldering titanguard for the second

And shield wall plus an external for the third

If there are several deaths by the third set just shield wall should be enough

@pine creek

[pine creek]

Im talking about the small ones! The healers run out with big bomb and die, while everyone else stacks on avatar tank at all times

[undone sun]

those don't need much to survive other than a decent IP stack and maybe SR

[eternal pecan]

What's the most up to date word on Prot for BFA? I've seen a few videos that seem super negative, but I feel like some of the reasoning might have been flawed

[sick sentinel]

#410902883165405214

[vocal nimbus]

@undone sun :GWqlabsFacepalm:

Agg's buff damage isnt reduced by SR

[undone sun]

i know, but you still take the aoe damage from being near the bursts/bombs

which is magic

[vocal nimbus]

But if he is soaking he wont survive with just that

[silk mortar]

But what if ;3

[vocal nimbus]

Well, if only 4 or 5 are in the buff he will survive i guess

[jovial verge]

Did Warbringer get stealth nerfed? Or am I just crazy. Was doing some M+ earlier, and felt like it wasn't doing what it usually does.

[stark sage]

i think it is on the DR list now

i noticed it too

[undone sun]

hmmm

[stark sage]

the third intercept i used was immune during DHT yesterday

[jovial verge]

Yeah, and getting 1 second and .5 second stuns out of it instead of the full 2.5 😦

[vocal nimbus]

It had its own DR

Dunno if its shared now

Maybe you stunned too fast?

[stark sage]

it felt like it was shared

but maybe i was just being to liberal with it

afraid of necro stacks

monkaS

[shut summit]

yea it DRs now looks like

with regular stuns

[fierce juniper]

that is

unfortunate

[vocal nimbus]

Time to use shockwave

[shut summit]

rip

[vocal nimbus]

There it goes

The only control utility we had

Oof

[cinder nova]

I think they're trying to ease us into the slower, lamer pace of BFA warrior.

And they're hitting us where we count the most

[sick sentinel]

wd

to be fair it is going to be a culture shock going from the IP spam playstyle to BFA

[honest mantle]

What in the actual fuck?

[vocal nimbus]

Hacked log or bugged altogether

🤷

[honest mantle]

yea, it acutally is

that is a fury warrior

at least he is dealing damage with rampage raging blow and bloodthirst

[vocal nimbus]

Probably intentionally bugged

You can report logs in wcl

[honest mantle]

A couple of them are broken

[vocal nimbus]

Theres a button somewhere

[round hornet]

if u swap specs when ur pulling

it shows ur old spec still in the log because blizzard's logging is shit tier

[stark sage]

i thought it was something to do with the DBM auto logger

which starts your combat log during the pull timer

[round hornet]

nah its not specific to DBM. Kihra of WCL posted about it before the issue is that blizzard lied i get a combatant_info event with gear/talents for the wrong spec because they're spec switching at the start of combat so basically you're asking me to correctly identify all the specs from ability usage and ignore the combatant_info which i can do, but this leads to all sorts of other bugs i.e., how the site used to struggle to identify healeres that only dpsed etc before combatant_info came online but any time someone links me a report url with an example i will blacklist it but no, i have no automated way to handle it but i'm trying to get them to not dump wrong combatant_info in BFA

when asked to write some automated blacklisting stuff

[viral tapir]

Hello there

which are the BiS trinkets for prot?

[vocal nimbus]

Pantheon trinket and diimas for general use

But there are a lot of good trinkets

Depends on the content you are doing

[viral tapir]

pantheon trinket suggests the legendary?

or is the normal trinket also good?

[vocal nimbus]

The tank version

Aggramars fortitude i think its called

[viral tapir]

icy veins sais that the normal one is ass

but im a scrub so i dont know

[fierce juniper]

It's not particularly good for survivability compared to some other options, but it's definitely not bad. Part of using it is to help get the pantheon proc.

[viral tapir]

🤔 i see

[vocal nimbus]

Its easier to say what trinkets are better if you tell first what content are you going to do

[viral tapir]

raiding mostly

[vocal nimbus]

And if you want to survive or do damage

I raid with aggramar's and diimas most of the time

[viral tapir]

im currently at 927 Ilvl so i need to know which ones to aim for in generall raiding purposes

[vocal nimbus]

The eye in the STR variant is good too

Apocalypse drive is very strong for aggramar

[viral tapir]

🤔

i think i know better now

thanks

[vocal nimbus]

If you have any doubts just ask what trinkets are good for X

[viral tapir]

definitely, im ass at activating trinkets so i like passive trinkets mostly

[signal plover]

Easy fix with WAs and keybinds

[lofty gulch]

Hey guys, been out for a while (since a few weeks after Mythic ABT was released) Managed to get 5 or 6 /11M, But just now coming back in prep for BFA. Any major things happen that basically redesign prot? or am i good lol

[vocal nimbus]

A huge lot of redesigns

[round hornet]

on live? not really

[vocal nimbus]

in bfa

check #410902883165405214

[lofty gulch]

well damn.

cant they just leave us alone 😦

[vocal nimbus]

tl;dr slower gameplay by far and rage generation issues

[timid jay]

Block massively nerfed as well, combined with a redesigned IP

[lofty gulch]

I am actually happy about the slower gameplay. Legion basically broke 2 keyboards from spamming IP so damn much.

that was getting annoying.

But the rage generation makes me question our survivalbility. If we get wrecked from boss hits and can't do anything about it, where will that scale warriors compared to other tanks.

[vocal nimbus]

Not sure about raiding but as in legion we will not shine in high m+ content

[timid jay]

Massgrip and sigil of chains still exists so yeah

[lofty gulch]

Eh, M+'s were never really my thing, 15's were easy enough, but raiding is my main concern.

[vocal nimbus]

Tuning isnt finished so 🤷

[timid jay]

its a big shift from live prot

[lofty gulch]

true,

[timid jay]

I'm not a fan at all of the new slower playstyle

[lofty gulch]

I dont think it should be as slow as it was During maybe Cata or LK, but slower than legion for sure

[vocal nimbus]

I will start the xpac as dps until i cant take any more shit of the tank my guild will find to replace me

[lofty gulch]

rofl

[vocal nimbus]

Then i guess i will tank again

[lofty gulch]

i've tanked since vanilla. I just flat out fail at DPS unless it was early KJ arms =p

I shined for a month or 2 lol

[timid jay]

The prepatch is coming up on PTR soon enough so you can give it a try there

You can download it now, idk if servers are up yet

[lofty gulch]

ive actually never tested on the PTR before. But now perhaps i should. These asshats im re-uniting with are planning a hard mythic push... Probably should know my shit instead of winging it like usual

[timid jay]

If you want to push m+ as tank in BfA

You only really have DH as a choice

As tuning currently stands

[lofty gulch]

Well like i said earlier, my main concern is Raiding. Not M+. But i have a DH that is viable as well.

[vocal nimbus]

i wonder who hasnt a dh by now

[timid jay]

The PTR will be great to test out classes if you dont have beta

[stark wraith]

How do you guys survive against Level 22+ Oakheart Crushing Grip in DHT? i always need a soulstone :<

[sick sentinel]

i always considered monks good in m+

[ember arrow]

@stark wraith spell reflect

@sick sentinel no

Not tanks

[stark wraith]

Spell reflect isnt doing much lol, thats why im asking

should i pop SR early before the grip? cuz when i do during the grip i still need wall/stand

[ember arrow]

Alternate equip sw ring

Usse sw and sr

Every grip

If u pop sr early it wont last whole grip

And last tick will fuck u up

[stark wraith]

seems good, ill try sw ring

[ember arrow]

Better to sr after first tick

Then u still got ip

[spark junco]

Hey Homies, bit of a scrubber question but for this weeks affixes would you recommend shockwave or warbringer to help with kiting ?

[timid jay]

I would always recommend warbringer

Doubly so if you have any other AoE stun

[shut summit]

its on DR now with other stuns so

proly not huge diff either way

[timid jay]

On live?

@shut summit

[hot locust]

Yeah Cosmo, it's pretty sad.

[timid jay]

When did this happen

[hot locust]

the downtime maintenance on tuesday

[timid jay]

Oh

Rip

[hot locust]

at least I assume so

because that's when I noticed it after

[ember arrow]

Hry war had a niche

FUKIN EXECUTE ORDER 66

Blizzard. Ruining war since idk

Bc?

[spark junco]

ah true, thanks guys. i thought it was off DR so have been runnin it for a few weeks

[ember arrow]

It was

Waiting for them to replace AM with another ravager

Just 2 ravagers in 1 tree

[tawdry aurora]

Since vanilla levko...when our shield didn't work hahaha

[ember arrow]

Oh

Well

[smoky garnet]

@timid jay 🖕

[empty terrace]

@timid jay Prot sucks

[timid jay]

😡

[smoky garnet]

Prot sucks

[timid jay]

@raven ore we need some bans handed out

[smoky garnet]

Now and in beta

[raven ore]

?

[timid jay]

They disrespect prot

Must commit seppuku

[smoky garnet]

Prot disrespects prot

🤔

[empty terrace]

Core loves us ❤

[timid jay]

no u

[ancient wraith]

is there a specific guide or youtube for protection warrior tanking each boss on Mythic Argus?

[timid jay]

Theres no boss specific guide that I know of

Sense over on youtube has PoV from every fight though, can help you some at the very least

[ancient wraith]

thanks cosmo

[timid jay]

Most people here are helpful if you have any fight specific questions

Such as cooldown rotations and how people handle things in general

[ancient wraith]

from what I'm seeing, it's very similar to what I'm currently doing, I just have a few questions:

1.- I don't have any t20 pieces, would that make much difference from my current rotation or Sense's rotation? Cause I'm not saying much difference.

2.- I don't understand his use of Last Stand on phase 2, he only had 1 stack and seemed to be fine for me. A better question probably is: what is the best moment to use Shield Wall and/or Last Stand?

3.- what legendaries is he using? and or talents? I assume the talents are similar with every other boss.

thanks a lot

[mild canopy]

guys, in argus mythic for the third tank role (grab balls) spell reflec pants +aggramar striders, right?

[timid jay]

@mild canopy that's what I'd go

@ancient wraith t20 won't really change much on argus at all, as for LS/SW in P2 I just save them for the few cases I get the avatar soaking circle on me

As for legendaries I don't know what sense was running with but I ran gloves+belt as a offensive setup on my first kill

Gloves bracers would be a lot safer to run though

In P2 only time you'd really need to use SW or LS is if you get hit by any spinning scythes or you go over 3 stacks

Outside of soaking the bombs ofc

If scythes are a worry there's a pinned spreadsheet for the damage you'll take from the scythes that I used to plan my CD usage

Mostly for p3 since in p1/2 you don't really take a lot of scythes

[hollow bolt]

WE DID IT BOYS

10/11!

Thank you all of you guys in the prot warrior discord who taught me how to tank these last few months

[steep sierra]

would u guys run indomitable for necro?

[soft tangle]

Alright guys, so I'm on PTR right now, and what the fuck is this ??

[timid jay]

@steep sierra No, never indom

And as for the PTR question its more suited for #410902883165405214 since its BfA prepatch 😉

[steep sierra]

still run devastator aye?

[timid jay]

Yup

[soft tangle]

oops, right ! I'll head over there !)

[timid jay]

Theres some pinned posts there

A lot has changed for us

[soft tangle]

and for the worse imho

[ancient wraith]

thanks a lot @timid jay

[lime wing]

Guys, quick question; is it worth to equip 4pc (instead of 2pc) losing 30ilvls? (15 for each equipment, from 960 to 945)

[undone sun]

generally, no

[lime wing]

Ok, thank you!

[late star]

Okay I cannot stay up during variss on mage tower

dps is fine

How do you all mitigate damage? blow CD's before kruul?

[languid rose]

step out of the aoe that applies a stacking debuff

[late star]

How many stacks do you bail at? I could take like 6-7 on my dk and dh

I've made it to p2 a handful of times but i think its just RNG with orb timing getting me there

[hot locust]

I did anywhere between 5-7 back when I did it depending on conditions of the fight. That was way back during the first week of it though. Safe spot is probably around 6 and you should really only need a couple sets of battle cry to make him fall over.

[late star]

Its my ms lol I just checked it, freaking 274

Kruul is getting off twisted before I even get a DBM notification

Thanks! Im gonna pick up again tomorrow

[hot locust]

good luck 😄

[split raven]

Once you get t21 2-set, is it better to use Booming Voice over Vengeance Defensively?

[undone sun]

always BV if you have t21

[split raven]

Just saw that in the Prot Guide, thank you for confirming it.

[next goblet]

i had no idea prot war was good in arena

im loving this

[dim timber]

hey

[ember arrow]

Hi

[little rain]

What comp is prot war good in atm? For 3s

Why is it good?

[sick sentinel]

i dont think it is good

[little rain]

Idk I've heard it is strong from multiple sources but I never followed up as to why

[sick sentinel]

pretty sure it used to be strong but got heavily nerfed

havent seen it at all

[dim timber]

can some one send a picture of there keybinds, i have razer naga

im trying to get some idea

[timid jay]

Keybinds are extremely personal

Could send you mine but doubt it'll do you much good

Theres no real right or wrong when it comes to keybinds

[daring aspen]

Lets ask abrodus

[winged marsh]

monkaS

[daring aspen]

Think he would say "The best keybinds are the binds that let you parse high"

[vocal nimbus]

TMW you get dmed by abrodus' alt accounts 🤢

[winged marsh]

👋

[hot locust]

same

[daring aspen]

I like that its in plural 👌

[dim timber]

does anyone want to make a new warrior with me

[vocal nimbus]

I have enough with just one

[dim timber]

Ok

[ember arrow]

I did if i had acces tot my pc

[next goblet]

@sick sentinel i honestly was wrecking with a prot war in arena, although there are certain comps that just shut you down, but its not bad.. that dragon charge is a game changer

[digital chasm]

how is the prot mage tower challenge at like a 917 ilvl with no good legos? 😐

[undone sun]

no legos will be a challenge

[silk mortar]

Unless you do real good dmg

[next goblet]

W/o good leggos can your really do 'good' damage?

define no good leggos @digital chasm

[digital chasm]

insignia and belt of najentus (fury war lego)

only two I have

[next goblet]

oof

you're better off waiting.. i mean its not impossible but its gonna take a LOT of attempts unless you play flawlessly

[uneven mason]

Yeahh ouch, I used Sephuz and Stride at 920 and it was a curbstomp

but insig and Naj

are just not going to be helpful, like, at all

[next goblet]

i used shoulders and legs, cuz those were the best i had at the time

[uneven mason]

Yeah, movement cannot be understated, and Sephuz is a reliable proc due to how often you're interrupting and charge stunning.

[digital chasm]

I'll try to get some more gear then

plus hopefully bear tartar will help

[uneven mason]

It does, what talent setup where you using?

[digital chasm]

I haven't attempted it yet 😄

I tried on a prot pally at like ilvl 930 a few times and got my ass handed to me - so was worried this is gonna be more of the same

think in 5 tries I saw Kruul once

[uneven mason]

Its not easy

Its more about execution to be honest

it took me 36 attempts

it took a few of my guildies over 200

But learning the ins and outs

Will win it for you over having the right legendaries

mind you, the final 5 attempts where I had swapped from Bracers/Gloves to Sephuz/Stride were a lot smoother

But Its not something you can just flat out overpower a 975 tank is going to get his butt punted into space the same as a 915 if he's not paying attention

[digital chasm]

that is what killed me on 90% of my tries

was getting punted off the platform

[round hornet]

If u use bear tartare you can run fast in circles

Ezpz to just not get touched by knockbsck

[digital chasm]

and kill all the eyes right

for victory rush

[arctic sedge]

guide for m+ necrotic on higher end keys?

or rather, advice

[uneven mason]

kite...

I mean, having a feel for what you can take stacks wise and then knowing how to cut and run are important. Bear Tartar (if you need to break in the middle of a trash pack) Lego shoulders help in this, having a group member at max intercept rage to give you a head start also is feasible. I mean, a lot of higher keys are about being able to kite skillfully when you need too, since it saves healer mana, downtime etc...allows you to do bigger pulls.