protection

[cedar wigeon]

... I forgot that SR actually reduced magic damage taken ... I really need to step up my game for BFA

[mortal carbon]

i tanked that boss with using sb only 👀

[fossil adder]

Hi guy's , i don't understand why i see many war's tank with high haste ? What's the point of a haste? Thanks guy's , and sorry i'm not an expert in war prot 😃

[main vault]

SB uptime

Rage

[fossil adder]

SB ?

🤔

[main vault]

Shield block

[fossil adder]

oh okay thanks mate

👌

[rich yew]

anyone know of a good guide for mage tower? i thought i was good a prot warrior till i stepped in there.

[vocal nimbus]

wowhead ones are usually decent

then there are plenty of video guides on youtube

[plucky flower]

what's the best way to practice tanking if im new to it? 961 fury but never tanked before and want to learn

[undone sun]

By putting attempts into it

[lapis topaz]

@plucky flower I like to have a goal for each session ... I try to work on only one thing at a time. Mainly whatever I feel like I'm worst at. Things I focus on include tab-targetting to spread threat, cleanliness of pulls, mob positioning, using <spell X> properly. It's typically easier to work on these things in content that's a little easier based on your gear.

[ember arrow]

just practice tbh

the best way to learn is by doing that

guides only help so much

[main vault]

Tab targeting. Such a wierd concept

It will be good practice for BfA

[naive laurel]

with threat being poopoo yey

yeah*

[dusk locust]

"the thorough tank" has a good series on youtube if you aren't terribly sure what mobs to pull or what they do

[main vault]

His videos are solid for people getting into m+

[dusk locust]

yeah i found it immensely helpful

i hope he does the same for bfa

[main vault]

He really explains alot of the mechanics people don't even think about

Like Claw in HoV and Pelters/Avalanche

[ember arrow]

u can stand in water in hov

and wolves cant hit u

underwater that is

[dusk locust]

there are some strats (maybe like that one) that he doesn't get into

it's a good starter guide i think

[main vault]

Yeah the wolves aren't what I'm talking about which proves my point lol

[ember arrow]

which claws u mean?

the fenryr thing

[main vault]

I'm talking about Fenrir

[ember arrow]

oh ye jsut stack

and spread on leap

200iq

[main vault]

95% of people don't even know that's a thing

[dusk locust]

^

some mechanics you never experience unless the key is like 20 tyrannical

[ember arrow]

at 20+ keys they usually do

[main vault]

Or that you can keep Pelters from casting, or Breakers from casting Avalanche

[dusk locust]

most people aren't doing 20 tho

[ember arrow]

NL is a memedungeon

u run around all the time

preventing all the casts

when i did high keys in nl firest tiem with group, we didnt know u can kite

we wiped 23234 times

then one day

[main vault]

Or dodging Shared Suffering

[ember arrow]

nah

always soak

liek a man

[main vault]

No

[ember arrow]

works up to 24 for me

[dusk locust]

dodging usually results in him just re-casting it for me, but i might be doing it wrong

[main vault]

It gets to a point where you can't

Sometimes he does but not always

[ember arrow]

i did it on 24 on my dk

havent odne higher but that seems high enough

[main vault]

I don't bother soaking anything over 20

[dusk locust]

eventually in theory the key's high enough where you can't

[main vault]

Because no point

[dusk locust]

so if there's an alternative you may as well know it

[ember arrow]

soaking is the fun part of tanking

soloing bosses

i love that shit

when the dps die then all mechanics are targeted on u

and the fun begins

[dusk locust]

lol yeah like, soloing helya for the last 30 seconds for so if something goes south is fun

or a minute or whatever

[ember arrow]

helya soloing lasts 25 years

[dusk locust]

yeah

fun tho

[ember arrow]

u mean hyrja

or helya

[dusk locust]

oh sorry hyrja

[ember arrow]

hyrja is actually fun to tank

[main vault]

Helya you can solo forever

[dusk locust]

that's another one i learned from thorough tank i think. how to stay on the boss during that aoe cast (sanctify?)

[ember arrow]

ye, but i find that my dps doesnt make difference those 4 seconds

or 5

[vale gorge]

Her melee range is gigantic

[main vault]

The pattern yeah

[vale gorge]

Just back up more

[ember arrow]

i prefer to prepare positioning

so dps dontget death star lazord

[dusk locust]

there's a pattern to it tho, so you can dps full time as either a tank or melee dps

[vale gorge]

Yeah

[main vault]

2x2x2

[ember arrow]

doge one, other one u stand still, then repat

3 times i think

[main vault]

You can Dodge all of them

[ember arrow]

i mean stand still because it goes past u

[dusk locust]

yeah it's 2 balls 1 ball 2 balls rotate

[ember arrow]

yes

ty

[dusk locust]

it's little tricks like that which i love

[ember arrow]

i love m+ ingeneral

dungeons not being boring blitzkrieg rushes

at no point in the exp

i hate farming, doing too easy content as tank

and i hate playing dps

so 😛

my wow gameplay is standign in acherus/skyhold till i find good key

liek im doing now

[main vault]

I spend 90% of my wow time on beta

Live is dead

[ember arrow]

dead?

[dusk locust]

i have beta but i hate the idea of spending a bunch of time on content and then getting progress wiped

[ember arrow]

bets or beta?

[dusk locust]

probably going to get on there and practice the rotation tho

[main vault]

I just think it's fun playing the changed classes. And raid testing

[ember arrow]

u meant beta

ok

[dusk locust]

raid testing would be super cool

[main vault]

Beta sorry

[lapis topaz]

Tab targeting. Such a wierd concept
^^ I find it helpful on skittish weeks too. But yeah, it's mostly just practice, so it's automatic. Doesn't hurt anything.

[dusk locust]

it's the only time you get to walk in raid before there's a well established strategy

[ember arrow]

dont worry yoshi

even with well establishedstrat

90% of people fuck up

[dusk locust]

lol that's true, but there's a lot of enjoyment in the puzzle of how to defeat a boss that's lost once youtube videos go out

[lapis topaz]

some mechanics you never experience unless the key is like 20 tyrannical
^^^ this is soooo true. It can be jarring when you find yourself in an encouter that finally requires mechanics and you're like "huh?!? I've done this dozens of times", i think that's the source of a lot of toxicity in pugs in general. People think they've done it before a ton, so it must be the <tank/healer/dps aka NOT ME>'s fault

[ember arrow]

"remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer"

thats how keys are disbanded

[dusk locust]

i get a kick out of dragging inexperienced people through high-ish keys, too. it makes it more challenging

lol

[lapis topaz]

Yellow- a long time ago, there used to be guilds that intentionally didn't look at strats, in order to figure it out on their own. I suppose they probably don't exist anymore, and were probably ruined by people that did look but didn't say anything... I like the concept though

[dusk locust]

i would love that

practically impossible to enforce though

and it'd really hold mythic prog back if you were into that

[ember arrow]

i usually go into new raids knowign all the mechanics

[dusk locust]

lol

[ember arrow]

hehe

[dusk locust]

me too. i'm raid lead 😦

lol

[ember arrow]

im main tank

[lapis topaz]

Yeah, you'd need a few people that wree really good at parsing logs I imagine

I'm scrub pugger filty casual :P

[main vault]

Lol

[dusk locust]

like imagine coming up with your own strat for aggramar mythic

how obvious would using blood dks have been

hard to say

[main vault]

I miss the concept of main tank

[ember arrow]

im main tank because i tanked longest in guild and was there since start

[lapis topaz]

I do and I don't... A lot of fights weren't any fun as off-tank.

[ember arrow]

notihng to do with actualy rolein encounter

[main vault]

Right, but there's no such thing as main tank anymore

[ember arrow]

my tank is called "offtank" for spicy discord talks

offtank is maintank

etc

[lapis topaz]

hah, and who is on first?

goes and names a char floortank

[ember arrow]

i got a drudi named benchtank

but druids are too boring

[kind mirage]

Just dropped http://www.wowdb.com/items/151650?bonusIDs=4213

Is it considered a good legendary ?

[stark sage]

for fury its BiS

its not great for prot if you have the 2pc 21

[kind mirage]

Ok. I don't have them

Other legendaries i have are mannoroth and the speed legs, forgot the name

[timid jay]

You mean speed boots?

[kind mirage]

It was a long farm to get this 3rd lego

Yes, thats xhat I meant sorry

[timid jay]

Best to go bracers and soul then

If you dont have t21 2p souls is the best defensively

[kind mirage]

I think I'll stick to the ring + mannoroth

Yes

I'm happy with the ring

Would have prefered thindergod's, but having vengeance and booming voice is nice too

[undone sun]

luck of the draw, i got bracers and gloves very late

[azure silo]

as a prot and for M+ shold i run with Dima;s Glacial Aegis + Aggramar/ Dima Aegis + Apocalypse drive or Aggramar + Apocalypse drive?

[timid jay]

I'd go aggramars conviction and diimas

[azure silo]

hymm\

[lapis topaz]

For H-Argus, w/o T21 2-piece, I'll have soul of the battlelord equipped. My question is what to pair with it?
I have legs, belt, shoulders, sephuz, and trinket.
I'm thinking legs for the extra shield block, but trinket is tempting for the extra cooldown.

[stark sage]

legs are the safe choice if you mis manage your blocks, but probably belt

[timid jay]

AHR isnt especially big outside of LS

[lapis topaz]

OK, thanks guys. I'm going to plan to go legs I think. I like safe, and I only have a few kills on N-Argus, so a little extra safety is probably called for.

Do you guys have any idea how many scythes is "normal" to take on H-Argus in p4 before dying?

[round hornet]

dependso n gear and skill

[undone sun]

i've taken around 10 without externals

maybe more

[stark sage]

yeah with 7/7 you can get pretty high

[lapis topaz]

ok, that'd probably be an upper limit for me. I'll be happy with 6 :)

[stark sage]

bastion that is

[lapis topaz]

I have 6/7 (bastion) right now

[round hornet]

good enough to kill him

[stark sage]

just be sure to block every one, NF is very useful at higher stacks too

[round hornet]

oh and besides gear/skill you also want luck to randomly crit block all the things ^^

[lapis topaz]

Nod. Block. All. The. Things.

[undone sun]

high mastery build kappa

[ember arrow]

23 on heroic argus

no mastery build

jsut praying to RNGsus

[lapis topaz]

❗

[ember arrow]

every stack after 11th

i was like

ok i die now

critblock

i die now

critblock

[stark sage]

lol i think my highest was 16 when the boss died

[round hornet]

ye was it a sale run for him to cast that many scythes? XD

[ember arrow]

no

pugs

[ancient ore]

i looked up on wow head and it said most people raid gloves and belt for heroic should i run those legendarys

[undone sun]

BiS for damage

[sick sentinel]

i always use belt and gloves

best for dps, plus extra rage and uptime on DS will help keep u alive

[ancient ore]

sweet i can always use more rage

[wooden lark]

is it even worth using potions as prot warrior?

[clear sapphire]

lock tokjen

[undone sun]

@wooden lark yes, why wouldn't it be

[wooden lark]

well none of the potions help with magic defence and i feel as though prot war deals with physical pretty well already and if a large spike of physical is coming you just sb or artifact

[sick sentinel]

Potiond are great

Boosts ur parse

I usually use 2 prolonged

[wooden lark]

what is parse?

[sick sentinel]

Ooof

[undone sun]

Porlonged increases strength, strength increases IP

[sick sentinel]

Prolonged increases all stats

Great all around potion

Parse is something u get when u log your kills with WCL

[wooden lark]

ohh the % right?

and idk im 11/11 hc and feel like i dont need to supplement with potions however maybe ill need that extra boost in mythic

[sick sentinel]

Always always use potions

They are cheap anyway

[wooden lark]

true

[sick sentinel]

Use potions

[long phoenix]

so for M argus #protection Scythe 1: SBlock + DS
Scythe 2: SBlock + SW
Scythe 3: SBlock + LS and DS
Scythe 4: NF
Scythe 5: Die

[sick sentinel]

Always be flashed and tuned too

[long phoenix]

but i can't seem to get DS up for the 3rd one

[sick sentinel]

U can have LS last two scythe

If u time it right

If u use DS so u get hit with scythe at about 2 seconds left on buff u can get it up again

[undone sun]

DS lasts 8 seconds, LS lasts 12 seconds, there's roughly an 8 second gap in-between scythes in p3

[sick sentinel]

What

[undone sun]

can precast DS for the first

[sick sentinel]

argus has some weird timings where does other things other than scythe so watch out for thay

[undone sun]

AM will help you get it back up for the third granted you spend rage properly

yes, in p1 and p2

[long phoenix]

kk i'll try precast ty

[undone sun]

in p3 it's gets closer to exact

again, roughly 8 seconds

[sick sentinel]

Also

DS isn't 8 seconds

And last stand is 15 seconds

Not 12

DS is 12

Lol

[sick sentinel]

hello fellow prots

i've just gotten the mannoroth legendary and i want to join your cult

[sick sentinel]

nice

thats good

mannaroth is best defensive leggo

also @undone sun DS is 12 sec and LS is 15 sec

[white tapir]

How do you judge a tank with logs?

[lapis topaz]

WOOOT Operation T21 2-Piece or Die Trying is a success!!!!

[round hornet]

@white tapir look at their defensive usage and ability to hold threat

[main vault]

Their dps

While not dying or stressing healers

[stray wedge]

It depends in my opinion. Are you looking at someone who is struggling with a particular fight, or are you looking at the logs of someone you are considering recruiting? @white tapir

(or something else?)

[white tapir]

Just looking at my own tanking logs to see how i can improve

[junior ivy]

why do i always run out of order resources

no one else seems to

[glacial mortar]

Lack of doing content, probs

[tender phoenix]

get a combat ally to have order resources gaining items which ive done due to that i get 300 order resources per WQ i do

[lapis topaz]

@white tapir I'm not sure how great it is for prot warriors, but https://www.wowanalyzer.com will give you some basic tips for things you can look for.

[junior ivy]

i just did 4 WQs

with a combat ally with a 100 order resources item

and i still dont have enough??

[vocal nimbus]

Do more

Or wqs with resources as loot

[main vault]

lol 4 WQ

I think I quit doing WQ when I got around 150k resources

[junior ivy]

😦 i do emissary every day

[round hornet]

have to do the WQ that give resource as reward

can also buy them with bloods of sargeras

[sick sentinel]

I never do WQ

[main vault]

Yeah I quit before xmas really doing WQ

The emissary itself isnt enough either

I was clearing all resource WQ for weeks before I quit

[lapis topaz]

Definitely aim for the Argus WQ that give resources. There are usually a couple of elites that will drop ~ 1k each in Argus. There are also usually a few in the Broken Shore that will give 300-500. If I really need order resources, I can usually manage about 6k a day through WQ.

[timid jay]

@junior ivy do you have the order hall upgrade that gives you order hall resources when you complete a WQ? 🤔

[junior ivy]

probably

[sick sentinel]

dont send blood of sargeras quests they cost to much

[lapis topaz]

They're order resource neutral if you get the bonus and use the rewards to buy more order resources, which means they can be useful for getting more XP for your champions... But yeah, I'd just skip them, not worth it.

[junior ivy]

should i boost a blood elf warrior or goblin warrior

[ember arrow]

y another warrior

[round hornet]

yeah why do u want 2 warriors lol

[ember arrow]

she wants the satisfaction of getting legendaries all over

[sick sentinel]

if i'm making 2 of the same class i'm making one in the other faction

[lapis topaz]

I think this would be cross-faction for Catfriend, because I think her main is a gnome, IIRC

[feral harness]

Just sharing my excitement about Bloodletting Manacles finally coming my way 😄

[lapis topaz]

Grats! I'm jealous! I still need gloves and bracers.

[sick sentinel]

rip

[arctic sedge]

So I got 41% haste and 49% Mastery

no clue how

this is glorious

[lapis topaz]

clean living no doubt

[sick sentinel]

nice

41% haste i would kill for that

32% sucks

[arctic sedge]

With gloves and bracers I am at 39% haste.

So still close.

And damnit, ended up taking an hour and eleven minutes killing Helya in +18 MoS

That boss is such a nightmare with a lot of ranged.

[sick sentinel]

Rip

But damn 1 hour and 11 is hella long

What was final time for full fight lol

wtf 1 hour?

[arctic sedge]

Well we got down to 0 when we got to Helya.

So probably like, 30 mins?

[sick sentinel]

Still s long time

Wow

what does the timer do even

there are no 3 chests anymore so what does it do?

[arctic sedge]

Instead of three chests.

It increases the key by either 1, 2 or 3 levels.

[sick sentinel]

ahhh so its only for key lvls

[arctic sedge]

Yeah.

So it's a bit pointless unless you go for upgrading it.

[sick sentinel]

so if i want to farm for example 10 and 11 over and over i just invite some plebs and take ages and still get loot

[arctic sedge]

You could do that, yeah.

If the timer goes out, it stays the same level.

I don't remember if it stays as the same dungeon though.

[sick sentinel]

now that would suck

[jaunty pendant]

Questions trying to spin up my old warrior main wondering how the MT is nowadays with the gear abundance

[thin mica]

Is there anyway to track Safeguard duration on an ally? im not seeing any buff or way to track

[undone sun]

it's a buff on the target intercepted

i made a macro to auto focus my mouseover intercept target and adjusted the Protection warrior CD WA by hamsda to follow focus' buffs

[slim verge]

Anyone have any tips for dealing with scythe timings on Mythic Argus? It seems impossible to know what ability hes going to actually use when timers are within a milisecond of eachother.

Also does anyone know what taunt WA Marok is using in his stream right now for Mythic Argus?

[sick sentinel]

ugh yeah

have SB for each scythe

first scythe SB+DS

2nd is SB+LS

3rd is SB+LS ( LS lasts two scythe ) + SW

[hot locust]

You don't even need anything besides SB for first 2

[sick sentinel]

4th Nelth

5th die or not if u wanna parse

go away lala

-_-

although he is prob right

[storm slate]

950 Riftworld Codex or Eye of F'harg?

930 Eye

[smoky garnet]

for?

[keen cipher]

Hmm, the Netherlight Crucible guide in pins is a dead link now

[jade socket]

@fierce juniper

:angery:

[undone sun]

yeah, it's still in transfer to the new website skyhold.gg

[mellow dove]

is there any information out there on how to gear for damage?

like, for tanking easier content (normal/heroic antorus/low m+ keys) etc?

[undone sun]

stat priority is the same, can sim yourself for gear upgrades and trinkets

[mellow dove]

hmm ok

[main vault]

Or gear for damage for mythic. And higher keys

[mellow dove]

ye ye

i got it figured out i think. 😃

[main vault]

I'd say War is one if the easier tanks to dps

[mellow dove]

new to tanking and im only really doing things i have basically 0 chance of dying in so i just wanna max dps

;d

[vocal nimbus]

Str and haste are usually the best stats to go for

But you should get your weights with raidbots

[mellow dove]

yeah i used raidbots. its coming together

[vocal nimbus]

And if nothing has been changed only ST sims wotk for us

Work*

[mellow dove]

oh

hmmm

[vocal nimbus]

But it doesnt change much for aoe usually

For 3+ targets you just prioritise revenge/thunder clap over shield slam

And dealing damage in packs is more about finding the timing to go big dick

[mellow dove]

yeah

[vocal nimbus]

Good aoe trinkets are on-use ones that benefit from bc and dmg modifiers like diimas

[mellow dove]

yeah i just got my diimas today tbh. im hyped

[vocal nimbus]

Mines 965 and hits like a truck

[mellow dove]

oooo. yeah mine is 945

[lilac forum]

What is best race for prot warr actually?

[vocal nimbus]

Blood elves for M+

But racial gets nerfed in bfa

So it doesnt really matter

Play your favorite

[lilac forum]

and for raiding? w/e?

[undone sun]

racials don't make much of a difference

[ember arrow]

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[vocal nimbus]

yes

[sick sentinel]

same

[undone sun]

me too thanks

[ember arrow]

haha

mobile

backpack conversation

[sick sentinel]

thanks for choosing #protection

have a nice day

[main vault]

The best racial is panda obviously

[radiant bobcat]

Hi, so I'm gearing to do the mage tower challenge as protwarr but only have 3 legendaries. Ararat's, Sephuz and Insignia. Long story short I need to pick between either of the two rings if I want the highest item level (Having just got a 955 ring). Of the two rings, which is better for the mage tower?

[vocal nimbus]

Sephuz

[radiant bobcat]

Figured as much since I'll be constantly dropping CC and pummels. Just wasn't sure how impactful the 50% buff to netherlight traits was.

[vocal nimbus]

Not worth it

[radiant bobcat]

Fair 'nuff

[vocal nimbus]

And pants give more sheer stats

[radiant bobcat]

Currently sitting at 929. I've done the same challenge before but on protadin with 935.

[vocal nimbus]

The key during inquisitor is the proper usage of victory rush

[radiant bobcat]

Yeah, the second guy I have no issues (Also spell reflect lul) but the inquisitor is being a pain

[vocal nimbus]

Get hit by mind rend, victory rush an eye

Save eyes for the healing

[radiant bobcat]

Fair nuff

[vocal nimbus]

You can spell reflect the nether adds

SR is not worth it for mind rend because it doesnt get reflected, only mitigated

When i did it at 895~ I pushed to 5 stacks max

[radiant bobcat]

I'm gonna try and replace my last few sub910 items then give it another attempt

[eternal pecan]

Regarding the hidden artifact appearance for prot: Can anyone tell me if I have to read the tablet in the order hall every time I try to get it to spawn?

[sick sentinel]

Read every artifact thing

There is a macro u can make to see if shield has spawned

Lemme bring up the test

Text*

/run print(IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(44322))

Press hat when standing by the entrance around torch

If it doesn't spawn

( macro will tell you in chat )

Run out of cave

Re log

Try agai

Again

Repeat

@eternal pecan

[undone sun]

relogging doesn't do anything

[sick sentinel]

I'm a guide I saw u have to re log

[twin thunder]

that was patched out months ago

[undone sun]

patched not even a week into Artifact Knowledge 5

when you were first able to get it

[eternal pecan]

So it’s a daily chance?

[shut summit]

Ye

[glacial sage]

5 ilvls worth rage?

of the fallen

[sick sentinel]

yes

Best dps trait

I try to get rage on everyhting

[glacial sage]

okay

[sick sentinel]

That extra revenge dmg rly adds up

[lusty grotto]

@undone sun do you remember a document which had tank notes for tyrannical? i can't seem to remember if i saw it here, or on another class discord

not warrior only stuff, but for every tank

hmm maybe i'm misremembering

[undone sun]

yeah idk, doesn't sound familiar

[vocal nimbus]

@lusty grotto maybe you can find something here

http://questionablyepic.com/mythic-plus/

[hollow star]

Is it me or is the prot warrior mage tower the hardest one by a mile?

I completed almost all mage towers But this shit is something else lol

[vocal nimbus]

Not the hardest but you've got to use the warrior's kit in a different way you usually would use while dungeoning/raiding

[hollow star]

Any advice?

[lapis dust]

spellreflect

[hollow star]

If only I reached Kruul xD

[vocal nimbus]

What's killing you

@hollow star

Main tips for phase 1 are

[hollow star]

Well it’s the lack of reliable self healing and mind rends with 5+ stacks

[vocal nimbus]

Spell reflect the nether adds

[hollow star]

That mostly blow me Out of the park

[vocal nimbus]

Learn to not waste VR procs

[hollow star]

Ah I Can spellreflect that too? That’s a good tip

Maybe it’s Just me being a shitty prot tbh

[vocal nimbus]

Get 5 stacks, go out, kill an eye, heal with the next, repeat until debuff expires

Wait until mind rend hits you

and then heal with victory rush

dont delete the eyes instantly

[hollow star]

Aight lemme give it a shot again Thanks!

[vocal nimbus]

You can push to 8-10 with bl and buffs

And then leap to an orb

[hollow star]

I pop drums on p1?

[vocal nimbus]

Im doing that with my alters right now

To have less infernals

[hollow star]

I always used it on kruul with all other tanks

But even prot pally was a Joke compared to this

Imo

[vocal nimbus]

I did prot pally this morning when MT went live

It was a joke

[hollow star]

hmm

well i'll give it a shot thanks

[vocal nimbus]

I'd spec stormbolt and impending victory

The first one to interrupt drain life and the second one to always have a heal even without killing anything

[hollow star]

prydaz over kjbw?

some leggo's i have on my warr lol

prydaz kjbw soul and timeless.

[vocal nimbus]

If you have tier i'd go kjbw and timeless

The shoulders for the amount of main stats they give

And kjbw gives a lot of stats plus an on use burst

[hollow star]

i have fuck all to be honest warrior is my 10th alt but i just need all the towers done 😛

and i like the prot appearance and also warrior is still in the run for being my main in bfa so yeah i need this done

good try now tho got varis to 4% but was to high on stacks thanks for advice.

i'm guessing kruul is easy with leap and reflect.

[vocal nimbus]

With timeless you can leap every green pull

If you happen to have heroic leap on cd you can make an intercept focus macro and put velen on focus to dodge a pool

And feel free to abuse orbs for surviving the first phase

[hollow star]

a sephuz would be nice.

should i go with avatar btw?

yay got to kruul

xD aight i'll be fine thanks tho.

[vocal nimbus]

👌

[grave grove]

@hollow star RF is a lot better than avatar

[hollow star]

Yeah I got this I guess Some decent pulls now 10% on kruul

So I should be fine

[grave grove]

good luck

[hollow star]

Thanks!!

[fresh dragon]

yo! tips for FIRST ADDS on LOWER KARA?

they damn overkill me with "coin plip"

😐

[grave grove]

don't run out of melee range until they're dead

they don't use it in melee

[lusty grotto]

@hollow star you spell reflect nether adds to get the magic resist against them

lack of self healing seems you aren't managing Impending Victory well

kill little eyes for super heals 😛

oops you're past that, my bad

@vocal nimbus that wasn't it, but i guess it works. Back a year ago i'm pretty sure there was a google doc with all the abilities to watch out for as a tank on tyrannical

thanks

[jagged bay]

gl verulvperix

[nimble tundra]

Hi so sorry for this question but do you have Mm+ prot war guide ? Talent by dungeon etc ? Ty

[silk mortar]

How high do you go?

Key wise

[nimble tundra]

I just start for the moment in war prot

So basic guide with enhancement

[timid jay]

We basically never change talents, so that stays the same

Don't think there's a specific guide for m+ for warriors but there's a blockable/reflectable spreadsheet in pins

[nimble tundra]

Ok and wich leg are bis for mm+ ?

[timid jay]

Gloves+belt

[nimble tundra]

Ty dude

Ty dude

[silk mortar]

We change Inspring for safeguard however

Most of the times ;?)

[vocal nimbus]

Ye

[timid jay]

Fair point

[dense hearth]

What legendarys you guys use for tanking Argus and are you having problem soaking soulbombs?

[vocal nimbus]

I use gloves and belt

and smoldering titanguard for an extra cd when soaking bombs

[sick sentinel]

I use gloves and belt with diima trinket

[dense hearth]

I went belt and legs with diima, still had some problems with the soaking. I´ll try with gloves next time for more rage

[sick sentinel]

Gloves and legs is good

U are losing out on lots of rage and dps because I didn't use

I would either us legs and gloves or belt and gloves

Use*

[sacred sorrel]

can we all agree that this week is fucking aids for us prot wars?

for anyone as well tbh

I swear to god Grievous makes some bosses almost impossible to beat

[smoky garnet]

im a dk

what does grievous mean?

[junior ivy]

i made a 2nd prot warrior (boosted) on horde.

now i have 2 prot warriors.

gnome and blood elf.

[smoky garnet]

2nd bench warrior

[junior ivy]

hey im excited for my horde warrior 😦

[smoky garnet]

welcome to the correct faction

[junior ivy]

its weird being horde

i hasvent even gone to any of the horde cities yetr though

[junior ivy]

where is this magical place i can stand in garothi

to soak the thingies that hit me

[topaz hedge]

highmountain tauren plz 😉 best prot warrio

[vocal nimbus]

@junior ivy i somehow manage to get stuck in the left corner

[winged marsh]

@junior ivy coming horde poggers

[sick sentinel]

@winged marsh what race are you gonna be?

Orcslouch?

[timid jay]

Catfriend going horde

😓

[sick sentinel]

BETRAYER

[smoky garnet]

@junior ivy left of garothi, between the rocks. If you time it correctly, you can get hit by all 5

[vocal nimbus]

but there are 6

[winged marsh]

Prob BE or troll till I unlock zandalari

[sick sentinel]

ew

troll so ugly but so good

wish they ahd those buff trolls

i would be 100% playing that

but they only have those skinny

[smoky garnet]

@winged marsh troll, for the deeps

[junior ivy]

im not GOING horde btw 😦

alliance is still my main

i just boosted a 2nd warrior which is blood elf

[sick sentinel]

@smoky garnet i went orc

troll too ugly

[smoky garnet]

Horde is BiS

[sick sentinel]

i am horde

i am orc

Orc has blood fury which is good for dps and both defense, in BFA things sclae with less attack power. This will help make things stronger

dont lie u just play it because it looks badass

[sacred sorrel]

i can confirm

grievous makes some bosses absolutely impossible

BRH and Halls second boss are impossible

especially Halls second boss

[sick sentinel]

Lol @sick sentinel

True

But racial is good for dps

I wish they have trolls that were big like orc

[smoky garnet]

@sacred sorrel it’s tyrannical week. Is not grievous that makes it impossible, that boss is just a cunt

[junior ivy]

look what i just got

[jagged bay]

gz!

[junior ivy]

ty 😃

[sick sentinel]

damn nice

[fierce juniper]

Important Links/FAQ

https://skyhold.gg

Stat Priority: (Prioritize item level) Haste > Mastery >= Versatility > Critical Strike

Defensive Trinket Guide: https://goo.gl/u7s0nm

Spell Reflection/Blockable Damage Sheet: https://goo.gl/xtfCfX

Protection Warrior Guide: https://goo.gl/ehzqE4

Antorus Tank Notes: http://www.tanknotes.tk/

[smoky garnet]

[soft mica]

checking in pins am i just missing it looking for what T2 in netherlight are better or worse

read through the guide in there but it just says some are better then others unless i missed it in there as well

[sick sentinel]

Shadow and light?

[soft mica]

yes

[sick sentinel]

The master of shadows and light speed are best over all

Torment the weak is strong for ST dps

[soft mica]

awesome thank you very much!

its got light speed so now i can be happy haha

[sick sentinel]

Murderous intent is also pretty good

Yeah light speed is nice

Master of shadows is BIS for mythic argus tho

I wish I had some of those 😦

[smoky garnet]

Master of shadows in the best defensive trait. Light speed is strong, shadowbind is very strong cause damage+healing

Chaotic darkness is a “weaker” shadowbind, but still a good one

Infusion/secure can be decent for dps purposes also

[soft mica]

screen shotted haha

thanks guys!

[sick sentinel]

torment the weak is rly good dps

[hollow star]

Getting the healing bracers from a random HC dungeon boss literally 20 minutes AFTER completing the prot mage tower

Rip me lol

[vocal nimbus]

Grats

[hollow star]

Thanks 😃

[sick sentinel]

Goblin Female warrior or Goblin male warrior?

[vocal nimbus]

Your own preference?

[dull wave]

What horde race is considered best for Prot Warrior for min—maxing (if there is one)

[vocal nimbus]

For legion, belf for m+, tauren for raids

Realistically it doesnt matter

[dull wave]

Yeah just looking at all aspects atm to sway me which way I’ll go. It’s 90% mogs. But if I need a tie breaker I’ll go for racials lol

[vocal nimbus]

undead 👌

[dull wave]

Ugh no I hate undead

[vocal nimbus]

😢

[dull wave]

Mag’har is probs where I’ll go. But I don’t want to wait for them to release lol

[vocal nimbus]

maghar are pretty good

im thinking of leveling a shamman

either maghar or highmountain

their totems look amazing

[sick sentinel]

Damn it!

I missed ppl to help

[smoky garnet]

Or just wait for zandalari trolls

Cause reasons

[dull wave]

Ztroll would also be cool. But I haven’t found a mog that I enjoy yet for plate trolls.

[smoky garnet]

Getting a good mog for trolls is annoying

If you looking for a race with good transmog, belf is the way to go

[vocal nimbus]

Ztrolls are a but meh for me

[sick sentinel]

I just want a big shield you guys

[fresh dragon]

nice to be a war and u read this....

nice to be a warrior.......

[smoky garnet]

War for m+ lul

[vocal nimbus]

Its kinda logical tho

[ember arrow]

Why dh if dks exist

What key u applied to? @fresh dragon

[smoky garnet]

Dhs can be very strong

If the extra cc is needed, it’s nuts how solid they are

[ember arrow]

So can any tank

But dem 20 leech

And GG

[fresh dragon]

@ember arrow 20 EoA

[ember arrow]

Ohhh

20 is too low to care

What tank lok

Lol

[sick sentinel]

DH is rly good

i like DH for M+

[ember arrow]

If u got choice

Dk

[sick sentinel]

yeah, but DH dps is rly good

for trash dungeons

DH 100%

they are just so strong on trash

[ember arrow]

Massgrip doubles group dps

For aoe dungeons u bring aoe comp anyway

Never had problem doing keys with conpetent dds

Never felt like my dps mattered in the long run

[smoky garnet]

Really doesn’t

Higher keys is more about surviving than anything else

[sick sentinel]

DH has mass grip

[smoky garnet]

Dh is very strong in some dungeon, borderline required with certain comps (possible lack of cc)

If cc is not an issue/not needed, dk all the way

[sick sentinel]

DH is good for trash dungeons because of how strong its survivability on trash

for boss dungeons DH pulls ahead

the DH will do crazy dps on trash while healing like crazy

[smoky garnet]

Bosses dk is much ahead

Mass grip on dh is limited to a short range

And dk self healing in bosses is nuts, so the healer can freely dps for a while

Depending on key level/boss

[sick sentinel]

i meant DK for boss dungeon my bad

trash dungeon DH

Boss DK

[smoky garnet]

Trash dh is not much ahead of dk

[ember arrow]

Y bring no cc to m+?

[smoky garnet]

By that I mean dk will be stronger if the cc from the dh is not needed

[sick sentinel]

its better

DH has mass grip, can do 2 million + on trash easy

[ember arrow]

2mil

Huh

[sick sentinel]

plus will heal for a ton of that because of spirit bomb etc

[ember arrow]

Thats like

Same as dk

For me at least

[sick sentinel]

yes

but

u heal for a lot of that

as DH

[ember arrow]

Dk doesnt heal?

Chest

[sick sentinel]

not as good

[ember arrow]

Xd

I disagree

Trash does 0 dmg unless its some raging shit

Or 45 bolster

[smoky garnet]

How high keys you doing?

[ember arrow]

23s

24s max

[sick sentinel]

ugh like 18-20 usually

[smoky garnet]

Trash really starts to hurt at that point

But dk is already kitting so

[ember arrow]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

DH has mobility

[ember arrow]

U use VB

[sick sentinel]

better dps

[ember arrow]

Then kite

[sick sentinel]

it has mass grip too

[smoky garnet]

Not really Vb

[ember arrow]

Dh dps means shit

If he cant facetank

[smoky garnet]

The main thing is: drw is down? You get the fuck out of there

[ember arrow]

And u cant

I use drw abd vb

[smoky garnet]

Vb is strong

[sick sentinel]

more dps the better

[ember arrow]

Then again vb

[smoky garnet]

But can only last so far

[ember arrow]

Then kite

[smoky garnet]

You can’t really face tank as dk on very high keys

So basically drw>Vb

[ember arrow]

Then vb

[smoky garnet]

Once that is off, you run like forest gump

[ember arrow]

When previus one expires

Belt op

[smoky garnet]

Using belt on 23s

[ember arrow]

Yes

20 sec of facetanking

If drw is down

Sephuz and chest

[smoky garnet]

Eh, not needed

[ember arrow]

But can dh facetank?

[smoky garnet]

Yes

[ember arrow]

Not needed but fun

Dh can facetank 23 fortified

[smoky garnet]

Vault 28 world first

[ember arrow]

Is it because perma meta?

[smoky garnet]

Facetanking fortified trash on dh

[sick sentinel]

helps if u need to keep things in place for glaives or rav

[smoky garnet]

Yeah, meta is kinda really stupid

[ember arrow]

Shud be an actual cd

Tbh

[smoky garnet]

It is

[ember arrow]

Not peocing every 4 sec

Procing

[smoky garnet]

It doesn’t proc that often tho

Is like 3 procs a minute or something

Perma meta is not a thing

[ember arrow]

How long does it last?

[smoky garnet]

Trait proc is 7 second or 8

3 minute cd is 18 I think

[ember arrow]

Thats long as time

[smoky garnet]

Don’t recall the exact numbers

Oh yeah

[ember arrow]

24 sec per minute

[smoky garnet]

It’s random procs tho

[ember arrow]

I want 24 sec vb per min

[smoky garnet]

So it may as well not proc at all

It’s something that exists, but you don’t plan on it

Max you do is play around last resort/cd meta

[ember arrow]

Bliz will make them op at start because hero class

Then hope for nerfs

[smoky garnet]

Especially whenever the fuck thing

Procs the moment everything dies

[ember arrow]

Idk ima play dh when other than belfs can be one

Peace

[sick sentinel]

dwarf DH

lets get it

[ember arrow]

when dh was announced i hoped for this kinda look. not emo teenager

[sick sentinel]

get back on topic

this is prot channel

not DH vs DK channel

[smoky garnet]

Fuck you

[ember arrow]

Cosmo too busy

Talking in off topic

@cosmo 👋

@timid jay 👋

[smoky garnet]

Failed ping has failed

[ember arrow]

Ffs phone discord

[sick sentinel]

@final mist see i stopped off topic talk here!

back to normal dead channel

[vocal nimbus]

you can some offtopic chat here if it doesnt disrupt someone asking questions

[sick sentinel]

no off topic

only prot

i like blessed hammer

off opic

its prot

topic*

wrong prot

PROT WARRIOR

ITS PROT, U DAID PROT

only prot warrior

[slow patio]

does the Veng talent gimp the legos braces for the % healing ?

[sick sentinel]

dont use vengence

vengence in tier 21 is worse than BV

[vocal nimbus]

Vengeance doesnt nerf bracers healing

[sick sentinel]

but it will give healing

u want BV and AM

with deva

[vocal nimbus]

Abrodus, shut up. Thats not what he is asking

[sick sentinel]

u will get more healing anyway

[smoky garnet]

Just answer the question

[vocal nimbus]

@slow patio bracers healing take into account base rage spent, not actual

Meanwhile Anger management takes into account actual rage spent

[slow patio]

Thanks @vocal nimbus <2

[sick sentinel]

-_- shenko

[vocal nimbus]

With tier 21 we dont use neither vengeance nor the Soul of the battlelord legendary

[sick sentinel]

but srsly bobless dont use vengence

[slow patio]

just trying out new M+ speed for AoE and damage instead of Surv ty

[vocal nimbus]

If you dont have tier 21 feel free to use vengeance defensively

[sick sentinel]

tier 21 makes u ahve no enough GCD for vengence

ull do more dps tier BV

[slow patio]

on STarget ?

[sick sentinel]

yes

all times

ull have DS every 40 seconds or so with tier 21 2 piece and AM

lots of rage and lots of extra dps

on AOE its even more powerful

[slow patio]

Fair dos

[sick sentinel]

give it a go

[slow patio]

willdo

ty

[sick sentinel]

if ur using bracers tho ull benifit much more with AM and BV

that is if u have tier 21 2 piece

without i would recommend Vengence and Heavy Rep

although

AM would probably be better because you generate a lot more rage now

Good Luck

[slow patio]

<2 🦊

[trim robin]

shared suffering can be reflected guys?^^

attumen

[hot locust]

Nope

[vocal nimbus]

You can get out of the area

with a properly timed heroic leap

or intercepting an ally

[trim robin]

aight ty

[vocal nimbus]

if the ally is far away of course

[final mist]

Even if you don't have t21, AM is still better than HR.

BV always with t21, if you don't have tier you can use it for DPS, but Veng is better for survival.

[sick sentinel]

Yeah u rly wanna get tier 21

[sick sentinel]

?

damn.

[vocal nimbus]

gl on the NCL roll

[sick sentinel]

wasnt great, but so close to bfa i dont care lol

[sick sentinel]

rip

i would sitll be happy

i got a 985 iron relic

[vocal nimbus]

@undone sun 👋

[undone sun]

[sturdy willow]

[sick sentinel]

i didnt know thyme had his own emoji!

thats cool

[ember arrow]

Offtopic abrodus

Prot only

[stark sage]

:dab:

[sick sentinel]

yes sorry

but it is more on topic than DK and DH, thyme is prot warrior

[round hornet]

I thought he was a durid

Or maybe that was someone else

[undone sun]

haven't been a druid since tos ended

[sick sentinel]

druids stay away

we dont like druids

[smoky garnet]

We don’t like you, can you stay away? Please?

[sick sentinel]

No

I'm welcome here

This is where I belong

[smoky garnet]

Arguable

[sick sentinel]

Ur not welcome here at all

I don't even play warrior let alone prot

[smoky garnet]

I play warrior and apparently you don’t based on that comment

[sick sentinel]

Is ur warrior even Max level

[timid jay]

He killed argus on his warrior

iirc

🤔

[smoky garnet]

[shut summit]

👀

[sick sentinel]

Argus heroic?

[sleek radish]

Hello tank friends, I am currently progressing mythic Antorus with my guild and I am being called to tank instead of dpsing as we are starting to progress on Aggramar. Never really tanked mythic before, I have tanked heroic and mythic +'s though. Any advice? I am not really sure which trinkets/legendaries I should bring or how best to time my cds for Aggy's damage.

[sick sentinel]

@timid jay

[timid jay]

mythic

[sick sentinel]

No way

Hold up

[timid jay]

what else do you think

[sick sentinel]

What leggos do u have

[sleek radish]

I have all of the warrior legos

[sick sentinel]

Gloves and belt are ideal

U are doing main tank?

[smoky garnet]

if you want to soak all the stacks you can use pants

[timid jay]

I'd say you definitely want to go gloves+bracers on aggramar

[smoky garnet]

belt+gloves is mainly the dps setup

[timid jay]

If you're a new tank dont go for belt

[smoky garnet]

wrist also good for it

[sick sentinel]

Use your artifact for each foe

I would recommend using last stand or SW for off tanking with stacks

Talent wise

U want warbringer

Double time

[sleek radish]

Aight, so if I want to try to survive the best I can, i would go belt and bracers?

[sick sentinel]

No no

Gloves and bracer

[timid jay]

Gloves and bracers

[smoky garnet]

gloves bracers

[sleek radish]

Oh okay

[sick sentinel]

Another good option

[timid jay]

The fight itself is similar to heroic if you've ever tanked that

[sick sentinel]

Is using AHR

With gloves

[timid jay]

No definitely not a good idea for that

Thats only for dps padding

[sick sentinel]

Use it with LS, good for dps and extra survival

[timid jay]

Theres no use for a shield there, bracers outclass it by a mile

[sick sentinel]

Most of my advice keeps parse in mind

[sleek radish]

ah

[sick sentinel]

But a lot of damage u will take is off tanking with stack

[hot locust]

And thats not what people care about on progress

[sick sentinel]

Because u can't SB it

[hot locust]

So stop suggesting it

[smoky garnet]

its progress

[hot locust]

people want to kill bosses

[smoky garnet]

stop suggesting stupid padding shit

[sick sentinel]

Always have large IP and some sort of CD

[hot locust]

also you can absolutely block the OT hit

[sick sentinel]

No

Not reach

[timid jay]

You can

[hot locust]

Yes

You can

[sick sentinel]

No way

[hot locust]

I've killed the boss many times Abrodus

[sick sentinel]

Wtf

[hot locust]

I know what you can and can't block

[sick sentinel]

...

I was just using SB for dps reasons during off tanking

[sleek radish]

What trinkets should i bring along?

[sick sentinel]

Lol wtf I thought I couldn't

Diima trinket

[timid jay]

What options do you have?

[sick sentinel]

Best is Diima or Eye ( fire version )

[hot locust]

tank pantheon (if it's maxed)

[sick sentinel]

I'd still use it over dps

Better defensively than weaker dps trinket

[sleek radish]

Conviction, Eye, Diimas, Titanguard, momento

[sick sentinel]

Diima

[sleek radish]

and archimondes

[sick sentinel]

Diima

[smoky garnet]

conviction and diima/eye

[sick sentinel]

Diima is what I use

Is there anything you are confused about mechanics wise @sleek radish

[sleek radish]

Oh no, I am a bit curious about Crucible traits tho

[sick sentinel]

Crucible

[timid jay]

Basically the only ones that matter are bastion and master of shadows

[sleek radish]

Which ones would be best for specifically Aggramar

[sick sentinel]

Light speed master of shadows

Shadow bind and torment the weak are good for dps

[smoky garnet]

defensive purposes master is the best

[sick sentinel]

Nothing really specific for Aggramar mostly argus with master of shadows

[smoky garnet]

light speed is pretty good

but if you want some offense in there, shadowbind

[sleek radish]

Well good cause i have +3 to bastion

[sick sentinel]

Lucky

That's very good

Gear wise I would use gloves and belt once you get the hang of it, Aggramar doesn't hit too hard because you are prot warrior and you can block

But when you start out use Bracer

[smoky garnet]

switch to more offensive leggos if you even care about it

that fight can hurt a bit, and not worth all stars

[sick sentinel]

Affects your parse average which is important, as prot warrior you are in a good place because of your block and artifact

[undone sun]

no it's not

it's not important

[sick sentinel]

?

[undone sun]

at all

[smoky garnet]

he just said he is progging on it

why bother parsing during prog?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, I parse all out on prog

[sleek radish]

Does Avoidance help against Aggramar?

[undone sun]

yes

[sick sentinel]

As long as I'm not dying and doing mechanics no point in not parsing

[timid jay]

The foe breakers are affected by avoidance

[smoky garnet]

parsing in prog

can you show me your aggramar or argus kill?

oh yeah, nvm

[sick sentinel]

Foe breaker doesn't hurt cuz of artifact