Sec*
#protection
steep sierra
ember arrow
ofc it will
warbringer stun them
during cast
chain the cds
move out of their range
1.2mil prydaz shield wont save u either
u save SR for the ragign part ofc
or do u use it on pull
with belt on ST DS cd is 45 sec
on aoe its up be4 first one is over
or maybe 10 sec downtime
steep sierra
I usually use it twice a pull of so many and i usually take a look at my grps cds for interupts before popping nr 2
ember arrow
SR is not needed for non ragign casts
and u use SW when theyre raging
if SR istn up
speaking surv wise
steep sierra
On 23 fortified (dont need to be raging) a cast can be the decisive thing though
steep sierra
SR
ember arrow
u stun them in melee range?
u leap in and not charge?
to have 2 stuns?
u wot be oneshot on 23 with SW up
and some IP
only on raging
on raging cds are saved for the ragign part
steep sierra
We run, lock with sacrolash, hunter with binding, resto druid ursol and a fire mage for aoe, so i round em up, have hunt binding, lock pop seed with slow on all and kite, pop a cd, charge in SW and kite more
Rinse repeat
ember arrow
u think u get oneshot when u enter melee?
then u use LS
warbringer will stun them
during stun u TC
steep sierra
Rather have bracers so druid can dps as i selfheal the hits that may come with ignore and a prydaz for casts which might come as in seat :/
steep sierra
Dps wise isnt it?
ember arrow
no def too
obviously
war has lowest hp of all tanks
why take prydaz
shield cant even block 1 sell\
one 60 rage IP is more than a prydaz
steep sierra
For low keys i usually run gloves/belt just to watch some peeps cry at my aoe dps rocking
ember arrow
pathetic leggo
for aoe u run gloves.belt
or belt/wrists
if ur healer is potato
wrists nor prydaz prevents u from being oneshot
proper cd usage will
steep sierra
Ye like wyrmpack in kara upper i would easy do 10m aoe if i can get some of the soaks they pop with belt/gloves
steep sierra
Aye bracers - IP is a good combo
ember arrow
i really dont see the point of prydaz
worst tank l;eggo
only use s for dps/heal in high m+
steep sierra
Just wondered if i should replace pryd with ring/legs/archi
steep sierra
Aoe/high burst of dmg inc
steep sierra
Thinking of surv not for aggro/dps, pure survival
steep sierra
Archimonde is a must though for when un doing lets say argus mythic...
ember arrow
why
steep sierra
No chance to survive 2x burst n bomb 2nd phase otherwise
ember arrow
u can block scythes and war shudnt be doing orbs
steep sierra
Even if i use full IP with SW and LS
ember arrow
only use legs for first boss MOs, 2,3,4th boss of NL
ye as i said
war shudnt be soaker
steep sierra
Well i take less dmg than the dk and monk tank
sick sentinel
if you are tanking you should soak
ember arrow
ofc u take less dmg
monk doesnt metigate any dmg
stagger
and dk doenst either
he heals up
smoky garnet
yes ^^
steep sierra
Well dk can take it but had no cd at all after
steep sierra
Monks are goodlike for scythe, dk is op for orbs so it kind of leaves it at me for soaking it
smoky garnet
what is the topic here? im lazy to scroll up
steep sierra
We dont have a quasimodo skinned challenge druid unfortunately
For orbs... and ye SB is godlike with a IP for scythe
60 rage IP with a SB is could take 7 before i had to SW/trinket/LS it
ember arrow
sick sentinel
thanks to bastion and high ilvl if a spell is blockable warrior can easily survive
steep sierra
If u want to tank high keys u usually wont tank trash alot as warrior as we usually just kite n controll, learn bosses in m+ though such as ymiron tyrannical 19 n up usually should get blood mirror leggo for his shadow cleave
smoky garnet
its not a cleave
steep sierra
The spell is valled shadowcleave isnt it?
smoky garnet
no
smoky garnet
that dam thing hits you from another galaxy
steep sierra
As i will have SR for every slash
ember arrow
no it doesnt
steep sierra
Aka 0 dmg
ember arrow
did 23 mos without dk lvl 90 row
because im a potato
didnt get oneshot
switched to ring
then from ring
smoky garnet
i can tank him on my dk at a 20 with no cds on the slash
ember arrow
cant select back talents reee
steep sierra
Warriors are the best tank by far for ymiron
smoky garnet
eh
ember arrow
u can also SR the tentacle bleed
smoky garnet
laughs in dh
ember arrow
and ucant relfect all slashes on warr with legs
steep sierra
Dude 0>some dmg
ember arrow
no
steep sierra
His hp scales aswell :p
smoky garnet
yeah, just joking
undone sun
smoky garnet
hi thyme
ember arrow
oh thyme has the proper avatar picture
undone sun
👋
ember arrow
i was wonderign what that abomination was
ember arrow
few days ago i think
undone sun
like a week or so ago, but yeah ¯_(ツ)_/¯
steep sierra
Thats my face seeing a tank get one shot in a MOS to dark slash as a warrior main -_-
smoky garnet
warrior might be the best for 1st boss
ember arrow
smoky garnet
not the best for the rest LUL
ember arrow
this is my face when that happens
steep sierra
Had a dh tank some weeks ago and he got recked
Warrior is better for helya aswell 😃
smoky garnet
laughs during MoS trash
ember arrow
mos trash is ez
steep sierra
Can reflect tentacledebuff aka no stress for heal on tyrannical
ember arrow
SR the very sinister strike
glacial mortar
Kiting in 2018
ember arrow
anime profile picture
glacial mortar
wow 
steep sierra
If u do high enough keys dh aint superior by far anymore, healers learn to love warriors mobility in kiting
steep sierra
Not om necrotic 😉
smoky garnet
eh
smoky garnet
you know dks can kite with no real issue during necro right?
ember arrow
and cloak
smoky garnet
not even needed to use cloak
ember arrow
only thing dk cant kite are players
also dks massgrip is necessary on high keys to group adds
for aoe dps
also cheat death
steep sierra
Nop
smoky garnet
sure dude
ember arrow
ye it totally is
steep sierra
Not if u run resto druid
ember arrow
i love warr as much as anyone
smoky garnet
nah dude
smoky garnet
dont compare dhs and dks to war in m+
glacial mortar
I imagine blizzard looking at MDI and seeing nothing but death knights and going "This is fine"
smoky garnet
@glacial mortar bs. there was that one dh LUL
glacial mortar
ember arrow
bliz doesnt need to care because above 15 doenst impact gear
as logn as all can do +15
smoky garnet
and i mean
glacial mortar
OBJECTION
smoky garnet
dks are pretty stronk in raids
steep sierra
Dk-druid/hpala-lock-monk-rogue-boomy- veng dh
smoky garnet
they just get shit on by scythes
ember arrow
ye i totall gonna do a 22 when i can do 3 +15s
in the same time
if it was purely for loot
smoky garnet
if you doing 3 +15s in the time you doing a 22
ember arrow
why do above 15
smoky garnet
something is wrong
steep sierra
Dks also have a worse time om vari than us :p
smoky garnet
worse time doesnt mean bad
undone sun
considering warrior is one of the best for vari...
undone sun
indeed
steep sierra
We ran monk and 2xwarr
steep sierra
Was sooooooo fun being escortservice 2k18 for the dumbfucks not knowing they had necrotic ain time during frostphase..
ember arrow
dps meters only matter after fight
but reatards be retards
ironic spellign error
times 2
steep sierra
The frost dks getting the hardon looking at their 2.8m dps with 10% movespeed spreading aids in the raid 😃
Always lovelovelove
Oh and just for fun, warrior is premium for doggos aswell, with bers rage 😉 tunnel that dps!!!! All go shadow 😂
smoky garnet
its all right
steep sierra
Who need a fearsoak these days
smoky garnet
nothing amazing
steep sierra
And ofc dk in High command should probs be like argus? Fun with melee stacks?
ember arrow
melees arent a prob on dks
steep sierra
6? Oh i did 9... but warrior though Kappa
steep sierra
Could probs do more
smoky garnet
and didnt go higher cause other tank taunted
ember arrow
smoky garnet
feelsbad
steep sierra
But druid took him after bombs were cleared :p
steep sierra
Dh is fine but im sure that dh's meta cheat procced on that last one :p
smoky garnet
not necessarily
i did 12 with no LS proc
after 10, even on heroic, that kinda hurts
steep sierra
Yes but demonspikes is 35? Isnt it?
smoky garnet
35 what?
steep sierra
And every parry reduces cd meaning with 4 set u can always have one up for stacks
ember arrow
parry
steep sierra
35% negate
steep sierra
Aka dh has that one for the stacks every stack and magic ward for eventuall bomb that goes off
With meta rng procc, meta for high stacks and LS for oh shit moments :p
steep sierra
Thatfeel
steep sierra
Same feel i get when my mage get frozenfingers/brainfreeze like 5 casts in a row 😃
steep sierra
Might be, but DS is probs one of the best defensive spells in game atm with such a low downtime
steep sierra
A shieldwall on steroids
undone sun
Blocking when it works is op
steep sierra
DS negates the same, u have 2 casts and its usually procced to almost always be uo
up*
steep sierra
Jizz
undone sun
lucky you
steep sierra
Ive only got glaive and archimonde ones for havoc so far
And my veng specc i miss 3 leggos, guess which... ofc....
undone sun
AHR was my latest on DH still with no legs, but i haven't really been playing much of wow lately
pretty much just raidlogging
steep sierra
Blindfold, half giant and shoulders... got seph last so ye me n leggos aint buddies
Miss three first mentioned
3 bis, 3 i miss hoho
toxic wadi
I have Mannoroth's bracers, should I use Prydaz, sephuz, or army of the insignia?
sick sentinel
whats your goal @toxic wadi
toxic wadi
dungeon and raid tanking
sick sentinel
raid tanking none of those are rly good, i would probably use pryda for everything
although
sephuz can eb good in M+
since ur TC is loss of control effect
the slow
toxic wadi
TC?
sick sentinel
thunder clap
toxic wadi
right hehe
sick sentinel
@toxic wadi best defensive leggo is bracer, offensive goes gloves > belt >= AHR ( AHR reborn when used with LS will burst for a lot of damage, great ST dps )
ember arrow
@sick sentinel TC slow doesnt proc sephuz
turbid river
is there a downside to facing your back towards a mob?
main vault
Not being able to block or parry
autumn crest
i just want my bracers before BFA 😦
jagged bay
why cant you swaz
glacial sage
My group is struggling with Heroic portal keeper, anyone got some tips?
junior ivy
whats killing people?
glacial sage
unstable and the imps
glacial mortar
Put the boss on the red miniature portals where adds spawn for cleave, interrupts at last second, don't get hit by beans, nothing much else
glacial sage
Gotta love living from hits like this
glacial sage
No I didn't, thats just my marker
gleaming ermine
this mage tower is stupid
dusky mica
your ilvl?
gleaming ermine
943
dusky mica
should be a joke
gleaming ermine
well its not
dusky mica
how long have you played prot?
gleaming ermine
a year then stopped
and came back 2 months ago
tank antorus up to heroric idk why i cant do this
probs just trash
dusky mica
google some guides / vids
dusky mica
do you have 2pt21?
gleaming ermine
nope
tender phoenix
is [Unstable Arcanocrystal] still the best to have or should i shove on [Eye of F'harg] instead??
arctic sedge
tender phoenix
this is the everyday Mythic trinket ask
main vault
Everyday doing what? WQ?
real rover
sooo
can you still not block, parry [...] attacks from behind or did they remove that?
gritty bronze
You can not and never could
main vault
^^^^^^
Only Dodge
Wish I had this luck on my EU account, Hands then Wrists first two leggos
dull ore
Is it normal to do really low damage as prot warrior? or am i doing something really wrong?
undone sun
no, though it depends on a few situations. generally prot has one of the highest ST damage
dull ore
Oh ok thx for the answer
but i dont really have more attacks than devastate shield slam and revenge for damage if i get this right, and spamming them doesnt do so much for me, so i dont quite know what to do
undone sun
what're your talents
main vault
Get T21 2p. Ez life
vocal nimbus
If he is spamming devastate then he hasnt specced devastator
undone sun
correct, why i was curious
Thunderclap should also be added in there, with t21 the st damage increases by a significant amount, as long as you still do the rotation somewhat properly.
clever bronze
What's a better netherlight option? Will To Survive or Intolerance?
languid rose
always confuses me when people ask about NLC artifact traits like they're somehow different from the artifact traits on relics you were aiming for before NLC was a thing...
sick sentinel
NLC traits are same ones as regular artifact
although
the shadow and light traits are unique
sick sentinel
wdym upon his cast
gleaming ermine
like when it says it in chat
sick sentinel
watch his cast bar instead
and reflect while hes casting
not 100% sure that's the problem but it's all i can think of outside of it being patched
gleaming ermine
yeah i try and focus on that and died to anihilate
gleaming ermine
im just trash but still want the weapon
lime wing
Sup guys! I just got an Chrono Shard (940) should I replace my Deema's (945) with it? Thank you!
main vault
No
warped scaffold
I'd stick with deema
fathom marten
Jesus how strong does IP get? I'm only rocking 3 pc T21 ilvl 954 and my ip has stacked to 6 mil at times with my health only raising from 8 mil to 8.2. Does the scaling just become crazy?
(I mention the health as in from upgrades, my health hasn't raised much compared to my IP seemingly)
lapis topaz
Thundergod's Vigor (belt) dropped for me yesterday, but in raid, I went with soul of the battlelord (ring) and archimonde's hatred reborn (trinket), my thinking was that since I don't have t21 2-piece yet, belt wasn't as good, while soul of the battlelord gave me vengeance and booming voice... Did I make the right call?
signal plover
Belts prolly slightly better than AHR
timid jay
Without t21 2p Soul is the best defensive legendary
signal plover
^
timid jay
As for AHR vs Belt I guess it depends largely on if you can get more targets for belt and how effectively you can use the AHR shield
signal plover
Or if you have super trash trinkets
lapis topaz
My trinkets are ok I think... I have a 935 diima and a 940 eye of shatug (sorry got pulled away for work)
and a 915 shivermaw
(on a brighter note, the tier cloak fell for me in that run, so I'm halfway to t21 2-piece!)
I rather like having the extra "oh crap" button of AHR, since I'm still kinda learning the fights, especially at heroic level. So I'll probably stick with AHR until I get t21 2-piece at least. Thanks for the input guys. :)
round vortex
My god. After releasing the prot warrior guide for mage tower - I did it on my druid just now. And far out. THIS is how i like to finish... heart racing lol
Thank fuuuuuuck for dots 😉
lapis topaz
hahah, that's awesome!
round vortex
yeah my heart skipped lol
junior ivy
lol grats
ancient ore
i finally got my prot warrior and blood dk mage tower done
azure silo
Sup, i have Sephuz, Mannoroth wrists, Prydaz and Battlelord ring (Destiniy driver too but its useless). Im tanking Mythic+ and i wonder if those legendaries are enought for m+ or should i spend few more legendary tokens on Prot.
slate burrow
930 memento 925 cradle 935 horn of valor and 950 Khaz'goroth's.
Thoughts on which trinkets? 😛 trying to get actual tank trinkets in the meantime
vocal nimbus
i'd use memento hov
signal plover
@azure silo do u have 2pc t21?
signal plover
That's fine
azure silo
i ask cuz i wonder if i should start some legendaries for Fury or there is something else to get for Prot
kind glen
You want both Gloves and Belt for sure.
signal plover
Use bracers and honestly prolly sephuz cuz of warbringer stuns
Soul will make u rage cap and u won't be able to veng weave fast enough
azure silo
so basicly this is the setup legendaries im gonna keep using. Well, fury token i guees.
kind glen
Well, if you can get gloves it would replace Sephuz by a lot.
signal plover
I'd get either gloves or belt yeah
slate burrow
@vocal nimbus Ty
signal plover
(honestly should get both)
Belt/gloves is awesome in m+ (til u get high enough to need self sustain from bracers)
kind glen
I don't use the belt as much as I should, but it's incredibly powerful on packs of mobs.
signal plover
Once you have belt/gloves/bracers prot warr becomes the juiciest titty spec. Mmmm tasty
azure silo
alright then 😛
thanks forhelp
There u go 😄 1/2
now, should i change it for Wrists or Rings then ?
hymm i can easyli get 42% Haste so for ring i think.
gonna miss that speed boost tho.
azure silo
yep, never changed those 😛
glacial mortar
42% haste I keep dancing at 30 forever
signal plover
Which is fine :)
sick sentinel
42% haste with optimal gear is rly nice, I get get to about 50% with non optimal gear, it's always fun to go turbo set
atomic oar
the tank debuff on aggra p3 which gets dispelled
does it do its aoe even when dispelled
atomic oar
okay - journal says "upon expiring" so wasn't sure
lapis topaz
H-Aggramar: during intermission phases, the big adds need to be tanked, but is there any swapping that needs to happen during that time?
signal plover
No
atomic oar
nope
signal plover
U can swap which finger u mash shield slam with after Poppin dat sweet BC tho
lapis topaz
hahah, no t21 2-piece for me, so I rarely get that sweet sweet string of shield slam
not yet... I'm getting there....
lapis topaz
We all start somewhere. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lapis topaz
hahah, well, I haven't tanked H-Aggramar YET as far as that goes anyway, but was talking to a friend about it... anyway...
main vault
It's simple yet so fun
lapis topaz
I'm 5/11 H, so I've done Garothi a few times actually. :D
stark sage
first clear in hc i don't think our tank had 2pc on agg
uneven mason
Its ok, not having the 2p for months means the shock of going into that new expansion will be lessened.
Going from "Machinegun that fires shields" to "Man, there are a lot of holes in this ceiling tile...wonder if i could count them...1...2...3...oh shield slam is back up I can press the button!" 😄
lapis topaz
I'm looking forward to the extra brain cycles from not having to vengeance weave
uneven mason
Its a heavy high to get over 😄
lapis topaz
I got heroic cloak last night... Maybe I'll get lucky and another tonight.
sick sentinel
Hopefully
I'm gonna miss tier 21 prot :/
Prot on beta is so damn slow comparing to now
sick sentinel
yes after this fast playstyle prot feels :(
lapis topaz
Question for you experience tanks: Do you turn off DBM/BW notifications/bars for "non-tank" mechanics?
*experienced
lapis topaz
I'm considering it, as a way to simplify while I learn mechanics... With the intention of turning them back on slowly.
timid jay
I have turned off certain things that dont really matter for me
Cant place anyone by heart but I know have turned off a few
lapis topaz
I can def understand a raid leader needing all of that, but as a scrub just learning, it can be overwhelming, even just finding the timer that I know should be there
stark sage
once you are used to a fight you kinda tune out the stuff that doesnt matter anyway
but its nice to know from the tank position, if the rest of the raid is adjusting to something
that you may need to also adjust to indirectly
lapis topaz
Yeah, that makes sense.
sick sentinel
I will keep everything turned on because timers and notifications will help boost dps survivability etc, For example on HC timer is important cuz u will have timer for when adds come out. When adds come out u can pop BV BC Diima Trinket and then u go berserk on dmg.
and fights like vari on mythic i find timers very important cuz he has a few weird timing moments that can get u killed without having focus and no timers
Timers and DBM just make the fight much easier, that will allow you to perform better because u dont have little things taking up a large portion of your focus
wooden hollow
What are most people's thoughts on playing prot warriors in BFA once it becomes live?
are they going to play alright?
sick sentinel
#410902883165405214 is channel where u wanna talk about that
wooden hollow
ah ok ty
sick sentinel
they are better, just scaling needs to be fixed
wooden hollow
i just recently got the mage tower done on my prot warrior.
sick sentinel
good for you!
wooden hollow
and went with my guild to kill herioc kiljaden for the appearace
ty was happy to get it done
wooden hollow
we had 2 separate runs. other one i took was rogue. but i cheesed it with the healing pants
sick sentinel
havent bothered to go back and kill it
plain ice
strictly for damage, should you always line up dimas with battle cry?
undone sun
Yes
sick sentinel
try to get DS and IP buff too @plain ice
naive laurel
how do we feel about thundergods vigor
undone sun
in the top three
sick sentinel
Thunder God is 2nd best dps leggo
naive laurel
what about for defensives?
verbal socket
hey I saw somoene's UI where it says Don't move for ravager for 5 secs..it also warned when terminus beacon was cast..is that a WA?
or some setting in an addon Im missing
undone sun
likely a WA
verbal socket
I guess this is it https://wago.io/HJNXi8nFb
sick sentinel
I wish all tanks used that, when im doing M+ as arms and I place ravager down... then tank moves all the adds... REEEEEEEEE
storm slate
undone sun
yes it is
daring aspen
thyme thought you were one of the indom boys 😢
sick sentinel
if a warrior has indomitable in a raid, I will message them they are playing prot wrong and need to use devastator
little rain
it's possible he's playing BFA simulator 😐
fathom marten
Was in a mythic plus with a 961 prot war, while playing on my alt. Not tier set bonuses. The, healer kept saying he was confused how the war was getting hit so hard with such high health and ilvl. I proceed to look at his health. Was like 12 mil, I was like oh shit, I know whats wrong. His talents were 2 1 3 3 3 3 2. HR , BV and indom....
I told my buddy why and mentioned in chat, hey war, you're talents are allll jacked up and should research your class/spec a little more.
He got hella pissed, and his friend was like oh what would you do Mr.Expert. Then procceded to explain what was right and wrong. I also asked, what his haste was. it was below 30% and was stacking as much verst as possible.
I was so confused lol
undone sun
😬
vocal nimbus
just stack 200% vers
undone sun
ez
daring aspen
Just get 100% of every stat ez
little rain
Intel stack so you can skill up your weapons faster for higher hit %. Ez.
silk mortar
@fathom marten He probably got pissed becuase you approached it the wrong way, you kinda called him out and calling him a bad player. Some people dont take criticism so good
strong hill
I think the last time I remember using idom was mythic odyn , I think currently in my reg tank set I’m at 9.6 mil. Stam flask and a stam trinket I’m breaking 10 mil easily and still using devastator
fathom marten
@silk mortar No I really didn't, I tried to be as respectful as possible. I asked him if there were any particular reasons he chose those talents and he was like because they're the best, I then started telling him that I'm pretty experienced prot war and that his talents were not optimal and that you can look at any forumn or discussion to support my statements. That, he would be more viable this way and would help him and the healer out much more. He then said he's not stupid and that's when I made the comment on well you shoupd research your class a little more. It really was his defensiveness (pun intended) that prompted my comment.
silk mortar
If that is what happend then you are truly right, Denial is hard to understand for some people.
lapis topaz
It was probably his over confidence in his correctness that led him not to search out the guides and communities in the first place. Sometimes you just have to let people play how they want to play. Challenges come in many shapes and sizes.
silk mortar
I mean devastator doesnt really look at appealing if you have no clue what youre doing
Indomitable looks good
glacial sage
That’s true, most people who don’t look at the guides and just play it as an off spec or alt choose indom
lapis topaz
Also true. In previous expansions Tanks were (rightfully to some extent) judged mainly on their health pool.
glacial sage
With the added health pool and increased ip it is an easy choice if you don’t know the benefits of deva
sick sentinel
Indomitable is terrible
Devastator is such a great talent right now there is no reason you would ever use indomitable
lapis topaz
Any tips for handling the explosive affix? Do warriors have anything in our kit aside from shield slam and melee swings that affect it? I haven't felt like I was pulling my weight on them, despite trying my best to focus them down.
sick sentinel
Explosive you just gotta target and slam em
As a tank it's hard tho
Cuz out ss can be on CD when u need it
I suggest trying to go for em when u have ss and not bother when u don't have SS
It's supposed to be the DPS job
lapis topaz
I dunno, seems like a good job for the tank in general, we have the lowest dps in theory, right, so why not use it on the orbs and leave the big guns for the mobs?
astral crystal
shield slam, victory rush and your autos with BC can kill them pretty easily
smoky oak
Its definitely not a dps job lol
lapis topaz
but that's about what I ended up doing... I'd target it and ss it as soon as I could
shut summit
doing something wrong if you think it's hard as tank, esp warrior
sick sentinel
Healers like holy can easily do it, it's mainly dps job to do that
lapis topaz
Ah yes, I did use victory rush a few times as well... good reminder though I should have been thinking to use that more often.
glacial sage
In my group we have the hunter focus them but if we have a large amount of adds we have the paladin help him
smoky oak
And you lose a ton of dps if only dps are doing them
lapis topaz
^^^
winged marsh
which is a huge problem
smoky oak
On my warlock i call for help on aoe packs, on bosses i yell if someone kills them
fathom marten
Of course @smoky oak but especially as a warrior. We can't nuke em down when SS is on cooldown. Out of all the tanks, we def have the disadvantage there.
lapis topaz
8 secs un-modified by haste
smoky oak
And spammable in bc, i dont see how that is bad
fathom marten
Okay when 3-4 orbs drop and you SS to keep rage up
lapis topaz
I don't have t21 2-piece, so no spamming ;)
fathom marten
on mobs
sick sentinel
Spamming ss on a pack is not a good idea
glacial sage
Yeah but if you just save it for the orbs you’re going to be los my on rage and dps
sick sentinel
U use Aoe on it
fathom marten
I'm not saying its not our job
smoky oak
Absolutely every class can and should do orbs
fathom marten
I'm saying its a group effort but to rely more so on us is preparing for failure
smoky oak
Ye sure, i wont drain any orbs awell then @sick sentinel
Lets see how it goes
Need to cast my seeds 4Head
sick sentinel
I'm saying, I don't bother doing em until I have SS off cd
lapis topaz
Do other tanks have more single-target abilities to use?
sick sentinel
Yes
glacial sage
I think do has a few and bear boi
lapis topaz
bears, with talents, can moonfire from bear form IIRC?
smoky oak
Orbs should really not be a issue if you arent doing giga pulls and everyone is helping
junior ivy
why cant i get on wow 😦
lapis topaz
tuesday maint?
glacial sage
It doesn’t like gnomes
lapis topaz
(if you're US)
glacial sage
It usually says in bnet launcher
lapis topaz
North American Realms will be restarted between 8:00am PDT and 9:00am PDT.<br /><br />Please follow @BlizzardCS on Twitter for updates.
fathom marten
what time is it there? i'm stationed in germany
lapis topaz
so around 45 more minutes, depending?
fathom marten
awh shit
lapis topaz
PDT right now it's 8:14 AM
smoky oak
Maintenance is usually 15-30 mins in eu
lapis topaz
It says they're just doing server restarts, so it could be up sooner than that, the hour just gives them padding.
smoky oak
Watch some youtube or something
fathom marten
I play on a US server though. Will be heading back to the states in oct
lapis topaz
How bad is the ping from Germany?
fathom marten
ehh its really not to bad. The only time it is really noticeable is when you're running up stairs with big boulders rolling down
glacial sage
That’s the time for long to spike for everyone, you could be at blizzard and you’ll still be at 600
fathom marten
I don't mythic raid but for heroic and high mythic + I don't notice anything really.
lol
Yeah I suppose thats true. People in the us have a hard time with it as well.
lapis topaz
...and I complain because the Internet routes me through Blizz's central servers in order to get to their western servers despite me being MUCH closer to their western servers geographically, lol.
unborn island
doesn't that like, just always happen to everyone these days?
lapis topaz
Nah, I got a 25 ilevel upgrade relic last week, that didn't have bastion on it ...
onyx vessel
so i have a relic its armour base then shell then bastion vs a rage > light speed/master of shadows > armour
the 2nd one is higher ilvl
lapis topaz
Bastion wins every time, is my understanding, regardless of ilevel
onyx vessel
oh
lapis topaz
Yeah, it can hurt at times.
lapis topaz
nice!
vocal nimbus
Tbh now that im at argus i prefer avoidance relics more than bastion
strong hill
^ blasphemy!!
undone sun
🤔
strong hill
I do miss my avoidance set i had for mythic nh.
undone sun
Highest I've ever had was 11.39%, and it was for Argus prog. Had to drop a couple ilevels to get it plus a trinket
vocal nimbus
I'd kill for some avoidance right now
Theres this lock in my raid who has 20% avoidance
strong hill
Nice. I was almost 15%
onyx vessel
i always hate using our artifact ability but i see its super good for agg and argus lul
onyx vessel
LUL
main vault
😮
strong hill
Lol.
safe fulcrum
Is the gauntlets and belt our best legendaries?
undone sun
Offensively yes
main vault
Wrists are awesome
safe fulcrum
IS belt still really good too? or is there another legendary better than that?
main vault
Wrists are better defensively
main vault
I'd wear the Hands, but depends what you are looking for
safe fulcrum
I was just asking what I would wear in general. No special situation. Just what I would wear all the time. Thanks for the help
main vault
There's nothing you wear all the time
safe fulcrum
I mean if you want to do a random 15
or heroic antorus
And you're too lazy to keep switching gear
main vault
Gloves and wrists are probably the best bet. But depending on the dungeon or the bosses some others will be better
undone sun
Legs are hands down best for bosses like ymiron, dargrul and shade of medivh, belt is top tier for AOE along side gloves
safe fulcrum
Is there are chart or site anywhere that says the best leggos for specific bosses?
sick sentinel
Belt is really good for tradh
Trash
I haven't taken off my gloves and belt since I got them pretty much
next goblet
how many ilvl is t21 2p worth?
jade socket
s**t?
sick sentinel
@next goblet I would drop 40 I level on closk
40 on chest
30 on legs, and 35 on helm
It's really strong, you really want to get it
smoky oak
Shit tin 😮
little rain
😃 🔫
naive laurel
do nethershards give gear anymore?
winged marsh
yes, just not good gear
naive laurel
niceee
round hornet
open flint
best prot leggos for mythic raiding rn? sorry if its covered couldnt find an updated description in the guide
winged marsh
gloves and belt are your best dps lego combo, wrist is extremely strong defensively, and pants are situational
open flint
thanks. so any others aren't worth?
ember arrow
nope
vocal nimbus
Ahr can be useful to soak big hits and for ST damage
tiny sphinx
never taken the gloves off since getting them, months and months of washing needed
strong hill
Starting mythic Argus tonight. How big of a jump is it from mythic agrramar?
signal plover
How big of a jump in what way
We killed agg pre nerf in 109 pulls...Argus took us 505
glacial mortar
its less mechanically difficult, but its very easy to mess up and requires perfect play for the mechanics that do exist
signal plover
For tanks the mechanics seem straightforward but the boss throws temper tantrums and is inconsistent (mostly in P1). P2 and P3 u can't slack at any point without suffering for it.
glacial mortar
I recommend switching at 1 stack for the tank who pulls, makes the rest of P1 line up correctly in terms of timers
signal plover
Even with that we would still get like 4 variations of his scythe timing throughout the phase. Mostly cuz of slightly delayed taunts n stuff that throws it off.
glacial mortar
Yea his scythes would still be off
signal plover
Also recommend learning the taunt trick. Still useful if raid has average dps and u want to eventually do P1 without hero/lust
glacial mortar
To elaborate, taunt at the end of his final cone and he wont cast his I hate life spell for a few seconds... Lets you shave off that few % if you didnt make the timer
signal plover
Taunting during rage 8 also gives an extra second
signal plover
Only the tanks on that fight understand what the tanks are actually doing on the fight. I'm sure our job looks pretty simple to dps
strong hill
@signal plover I’m sure our dps we’re thinking that for aggrmar. Face away, hit artifact ability for foebreaker.
signal plover
Lol
vocal nimbus
"hey why are you guys dying? 
"
strong hill
That’s me most fights
signal plover
@strong hill if I had to give general tips I'd say this: Use pants for progression...they're not needed if you're not Rent soaking in P3 but they give such a nice cushion for fucky P1 scythe timing that you'll save yourself a lot of floortanking with them. I also found titanguard trinket to be super useful for P2 avatar soaking and P3 solo during tree res.
P1=be rdy for lots of interrupted scythe timing...all about learning the various rhythms. Also lrn the taunt trick and be rdy to do that every pull.
P2= if you're staying in raid to soak bursts, stack some CDs for the soak that includes the bomb detonation. If you're on boss, be mindful of the explosion timers and use SR to smooth that dmg. Try not to scythe melee rages when dodging oblits.
P3= Wake up from intermission. Have a plan for each set of scythes but be flexible. NF can solo the 4th stack but you should check out the pinned dmg calculator to see what CDs u should need to survive. P3 is like clockwork so just do you turn on boss, Rez and DPS and help your rent tank when you can.
mortal carbon
7 scythes not dying :poggers:
strong hill
Thanks! @signal plover I was looking at logs last night and saw some are using the pants. I looked a month or so ago and saw a lot using titanguard. I snagged one out of a mission box so I’ll give it a try
glacial mortar
The only real difficulty comes from the fact that youve come from a boss where you have 3 people doing mechanics, into one where everyone needs to do mechanics
signal plover
^
strong hill
I hated aggramar, it reminded me of spine of death wing.
strong hill
Going from spine to madness was easier imo. Hence I was hoping unmaker was the same 😝
@glacial mortar here were some of our wipes , “ ok aggramar snagged a 3rd add” wipe. Someone didn’t move out of the swirl and went flying ( we tanks had this happen , heroic leap couldn’t find the path 🤔) monk ring not quite in the right spot ? Yup wipe
glacial mortar
We had many of those, yes
We had a few wipes doing the 4 add strat and having 1 add not hit at the same time
good times
strong hill
Oh and random threat drops were fun too
Last night , co tank is ready to take foe, I’m at 50% threat. I go behind the boss, shield slam proc, oh look the boss just turned and crushed me and everyone on my side.
vocal nimbus
something wasnt right if you get the aggro with a single slam from 50% threat
strong hill
I checked to see if I fat finger taunted , Nothing. I’m still salty at heroic leap not finding the path when you go up and off the platform
ashen sparrow
hey what is better Vrykul shield training or Bastion of Aspects ?
main vault
Bastion is awesome
ashen sparrow
ok thx
pine lily
hey guys, can someone explain to me how critblock is calculated? is the % to critblock every % above 100%?
stark sage
mastery increases the chance that your block becomes a crit block, a crit block is just double the block value of a plain block
block is 30 base, artifact adds up to an additional 14%
and crit would be 60 base, and up to 88
pine lily
ok, shieldblock doesnt add any more critblocks. it just increses by mastery rating?
stark sage
mastery rating is like critblock chance
not value
shieldblock just gives you 100% chance to block
and then whatever your mastery % to crit block
so technically it does add more crit blocks
tender phoenix
is it better to run [Ararat's Bloodmirror]legs [Thundergod's Vigor]belt or [Kakushan's Stormscale Gauntlets]hands [Thundergod's Vigor]belt for Mythics?
strong hill
Usually gloves and belt is what I run. Certain bosses swap to the legs.
tender phoenix
i ask cause i got some gloves in the weekly cashe so to push up my ilvl abit i could swap to legs but i guess i could just dump the gloves in my bags
undone sun
Kakushans are by far better for general use
strong hill
^ I can only think of a couple times I’ve swapped mine out
misty badger
Just got Diima's Glacial Aegis, 945. It seems bad
My current trinkets are DPS ones, should I stick with those?
stark sage
diima's is top tier my friend
misty badger
Really?
stark sage
yeah one of the best well rounded trinkets
for physical defense
and decent damage
insanely good in m+ as well
misty badger
Guess I could use it instead of my scourgewing in M+
stark sage
you should use it instead of scourgwing always
seeping is reduced signifcantly on tanks
misty badger
I only really tank 15's and chosen runs
stark sage
making proc trinkets that deal damage a 1/4 power level
misty badger
ah, okay
misty badger
Guess I got really lucky then, haha
stark sage
yeah you can get away with never taking it off, unless you are having real trouble with magic damage
its not super useful in that department
but proper usage of SR should shore up any fight that has significant magic damage
misty badger
I'm gonna miss the 50% spell damage reduction in BfA
stark sage
there are some trinkets that output more dps, but its definitely a real contender
sick sentinel
I always use diima, I love it
What trinkets do more damage @stark sage I know AHR sims more but in practice I find diima to be best
Chronic shard or something
stark sage
yeh
i have a 960 chrono shard with a socket, pretty hard to find a better dps trinket
wooden hinge
that or memento
pure abyss
Anyone attempted solo-tanking M Vari?
uneven quartz
Yes
pure abyss
Log pls?
pure abyss
lol np
undone sun
lol
sick sentinel
It can
silk mortar
Which class?
sick sentinel
With pants it's easy
silk mortar
Wish i could aswell, but would prolly fuck it up
undone sun
id bet money on protadin more than anything else
silk mortar
Never thought all of our cooldowns could last us that long
pure abyss
We've been playing around with tweaking strats and raid comps.... stacking M dogs / Coven speedkill / single healing vari etc... Initially we were planning to 2 tank with a DPS necrotic runner (probably rogue), but I'm wondering if we could just 1 tank and push for more speed
Mitigate the hit, block through the debuff and pray?
undone sun
it's still a lot of damage, entirely unnecessary
untold creek
Anyone know of any prot warriors that stream higher M+ keys?
ionic ledge
@stark sage is chrono a decent m+ dps trink ?
ionic ledge
hm, i guess my chest wants me to go prot then. got a 960 from the weekly
ionic ledge
yea, but i only play prot to help shitty alts get their weekly m+ done haha
or to cover for some people on mythic farm
ionic ledge
Nice. ty ^^
next goblet
that moment when you cant get any drops better than your ToS helm/shoulder 😢
i mean its not bad, but if i had that i'd rather rock 2p/4p
4p being t20
glacial sage
Just got my first upgrade in a month 😍
misty badger
What are your thoughts on Impending Victory vs Inspiring Presence?
undone sun
impending has almost no use
Inspiring presence is very useful in raids
misty badger
You don't think it's good for self healing in boss fights?
undone sun
if you need the healing use bracers, impending is rarely going to be make or break
and safeguard is too valuable to pass up in keys
misty badger
I've just been using impending victory for so long I feel like I'll be vulnerable without it
glacial sage
Just like, don't take damage, its easy
misty badger
Inspiring presence is only 3% leech
glacial sage
it helps your group out
undone sun
it's the raid benefit, it doesn't self heal
it's essentially another healers for raids
misty badger
I suppose. I did just get Mannorath's
glacial sage
Those are really nice for when you need that self healing
misty badger
I mainly just tank Mythic Trial of Valor runs now, but keeping yourself alive is important in those
undone sun
yes but impending wont make or break, 15% every 30 seconds on GCD isn't necessarily good
glacial sage
WHy mythic trial of valor
glacial sage
It isn't like it will make or break you dieing but it will help out your dps lots
sick sentinel
Inspiring presence helps ur heal parse a s**t ton, it will be like half of ur HPS
smoky garnet
caring about healing parses 🤔
smoky garnet
Eh, I don’t care cause it’s dumb
Healers don’t really care much about healing parses, why should tanks?
cedar wigeon
How many of you guys backpaddle? I got rid of it a long time ago but as prot I sometimes miss it especially on fights like Doggies.
daring aspen
Just ask @timid jay about backpaddle on aggramar 👌
undone sun
backpeddling off the edge 🤣
carmine cobalt
How many of you have tanked mythic vari and what leges you used on it? Not as a escort tank but as a main tank?
undone sun
usually gloves/belt or gloves/legs if you aren't feeling comfortable without the extra SR
leaden hazel
Usually goes with legs, gives SR on almost every Shadow Strike. Even better if the other tanks is DK and can take another with AMS, making it possible to have SR for every Shadow Strike. 😀
carmine cobalt
Is sr enough with ip on every strike?
undone sun
with legs, yes
carmine cobalt
Ok